Maybe I just think too much.
So I'm just gonna' be straight up honest here from the get-go, and say that I've got mixed feelings about this album. But then, I've had mixed feelings about U2 for a long time now.…
"A sinister cabal of superior writers."
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76 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
Oh.. I just want to say that you guys(Mark,Zing,Glen) make some valid points. I always get caught up in my thoughts and the spirit of the debate that I never show my appreciation for your intelligent discourse. Thank You...
77 - MarkSaleski
i am now imagining bob ross painting while listening to Harry Pussy.
that's just wrong.
maybe that's what killed him.
78 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
*Oops* & Dr. Dreadful (Mouwahahaha) for the comic relief.
Glen, this is what we do when you're not looking.
Seriously, some funny shit.
Sorry to hear your computer is giving you crap, Glen... Tigerdirect.com - Go There!
79 - MarkSaleski
But, is that all they know how to do?
mostly, no. but that's a common misconception in the free jazz world. guys like Lester Bowie could play 'tradition' or 'regular' jazz, but chose not to. same for Ornette and many others.
Yea..."Great" music to who? Those who have a limited capacity to understand anything further.
and that's the one point we keep circling around: great. process music can produce some cool stuff. so can other forms of experimentation. all along i've said that i don't think musicianship is a necessary component of it (though it generally doesn't hurt). now, whether the stuff is "great" is purely the opinion of the ears chambers being tickled.
80 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
all along i've said that i don't think musicianship is a necessary component of it
And, that is what we disagree on. and that's fine.
I feel musicianship is a crucial factor in music/experimentation.
but that's a common misconception in the free jazz world
Yet, you still have to know something about Jazz to play "Free Jazz"
81 - zingzing
"So then what's the point...Artificial Intelligence?! Where's the joy if no one is around? Where's the stimulation to keep going with the idea and watch it evolve into something else."
you're kidding, right? "where's the joy?" well, after he decided it had gone on long enough, he went back in the room, rewound the tape and listened to it. then he heard what had been created from his idea. it evolved in ways he wasn't quite expecting.
there's lots of this kind of music. it's called process music. you set up an event, or series of events, and see what comes of it.
"Yea..."Great" music to who? Those who have a limited capacity to understand anything further. "
well, it's certainly different than the music you listen to, apparently. this type of music is, sometimes, easy to put into the background, but it also rewards close attention. what you're investigating is pure sound. you're way off base with that statement... even if it was a question. i really have no idea how you come to such a conclusion. this is music that CAN'T be written down. it can't be learned. it's all about chance operations and fuzzy math. i'm coming to believe that it's you who doesn't understand THIS type of music...
"I hear a lot of people on this board complain of foolish wankery,meaning, they only do it because they know they can. I feel the same way about this supposed "experimental" shit. But, is that all they know how to do?"
you know that cuts both ways, right? some people can do just about anything on a guitar, but they don't. some people can only do the thing they do, but you know what? that's what they do. if it's good, it's good.
"True, but it still takes knowledge to know when you've [accidentally] discovered something."
not necessarily. that's the great thing about recorded music. once you create fire, it's there, no matter if you freeze to death in the middle of the night.
82 - zingzing
mark: "maybe that's what killed him."
nope. cancer. sorry.
"all along i've said that i don't think musicianship is a necessary component of it (though it generally doesn't hurt)."
but sometimes it does hurt. sometimes, as the become more instrumentally competent, bands or artists lose that ability to solve problems in their own way because there isn't a problem anymore... they know how to get that sound out of their heads and onto tape. whereas before, they had to drag it out, kicking and screaming with originality.
this isn't always the case, of course, but it is for a lot of bands.
83 - zingzing
that's "as THEY become more instrumentally competent..."
84 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
well, after he decided it had gone on long enough, he went back in the room, rewound the tape and listened to it.
Wow..Man!! If I could have only figured that shit out,dude. Such fucking brilliance! Ya know, if you go outside and record the cars that go by there's a good possibility when you play it back that it will evolve in to a total waste of my fucking time! Yea, let's listen to a fucking modem communicate with another modem...What else can we do that's completely retarded?!
Ya know, I try to give you guys credit for a decent conversation about music and then Zing tries to insult my intelligence with this BULLSHIT! No wonder why Mr. Eno doesn't consider himself a musician anymore because what he is doing is a fucking joke and if you wanna keep smoking whatever it is that he smokes...Go right ahead!
See ya, I've got better things to do...
85 - zingzing
bi-polar much? just answering the question... wasn't insulting your intelligence, you just didn't seem to understand the point. still don't, i guess... it's not a random recording. it's still controlled sound. just controlled at one end instead of the other.
really, you need to sit back, relax and reread what was written. i can't believe that THAT'S where you decided to get all insulted...
86 - MarkSaleski
wow brian, i didn't think that was insulting at all. if you'd like to throw process music out the window, then fine. but geezuz, relax man.
as a matter of fact, you CAN listen to something decided non-musical and transform it into music. Steve Reich has done it plenty of times. say it's crap if you will, but it's certainly valid.
87 - zingzing
i had to, like, open the bruise up to let the bruise blood come out to show them.
88 - Jordan Richardson
What else can we do that's completely retarded?!
Spend a lifetime bitching about what is and what isn't metal?
89 - El Bicho
"My reasons for "liking" music have nothing to do with my theory that it takes great musicianship to create great music."
That's what it takes to create great music to you. Leave it up to Guppus to have no idea what he's arguing about... *Uh-Duh*
btw, Bono has always been concerned with saving the world, so it sounds like you weren't paying attention or forgot. See you guys next summer when you have the same discussion.
90 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
Spend a lifetime bitching about what is and what isn't metal?
Shame,Shame Jordan! But, I guess it's alright considering your reviews are just as cheap!
91 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
That's what it takes to create great music to you. Leave it up to Guppus to have no idea what he's arguing about... *Uh-Duh*
Well, El Bicho, I'm glad you don't understand.
But, I wouldn't waste my time with you on a serious discussion like this anyways...Shoo McFly,Shoo!
92 - El Bicho
You are close to being right this time, Guppus. I don't understand how you think you are having a serious discussion considering how many times you've gone over these same points about music. Sorry to burst your bubble.
93 - Jordan Richardson
I guess it's alright considering your reviews are just as cheap!
Reer, kitty has claws!
94 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
I don't understand how you think you are having a serious discussion considering how many times you've gone over these same points about music.
Well, besides the countless times that you thought you were doing something useful with your negative comments towards me, you still haven't proven my theory wrong. Nor would you ever have enough of my respect to be one of my peers anyways...So, what I should have said was that I really don't care if you understand or not. AND, that I really don't give a flying fuck what you think about anything! So, from here on out, your comments will no longer be validated with my the time it takes for me to reply!
In other words.. Piss Off!
95 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
Reer, kitty has claws!
*Smirk*... What was that sound that Tom(from Tom&Jerry) used to make with his claws when he was mad??