Former Marilyn Manson drummer Ginger Fish (a.k.a. Kenny Wilson), has started up a brand spanking new new group that shall be known as "Martyr Plot." Band members include guitarist and singer David Scott and bassist James Marino. The first offering by this new group is demo track titled "In The Red", which can be downloaded at www.fishrine.com.
Fish last performed with Manson last September at the Comet 2004 Awards in Germany. Fish fell off the stage during that show, breaking his wrist and suffering a concussion. The drummer never came back after that and was replaced in Manson's touring band by ex-Nine Inch Nails member Chris Vrenna.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Kenzi
What, did Ginger Fish blame them because he fall off a stage and got injured? Accidents happen. And well, at least maybe there will be another good band...As in Ginger's band.
2 - mrbenning
Ginger Fish took a lot of punishment. It wasn't uncommon for him to leave a concert with stitches from taking a microphone stand (thrown by Manson) to the head. There's a chance the fall wasn't his fault.
I gotta say, I don't blame him for leaving the band.
3 - Pin_Down_Girl
He didn't leave its just a side project.
4 - Disappointed old-school MM fan
Yeah, there's only so much abuse you can take.
Besides, it's only a matter of time before Marilyn tells him to "get lost" too, and Ginger knows it. Let's face it: he's already seen more than one of his bandmates replaced by women. And I don't mean as in 'women taking their jobs'; I'm referring to women who have altered Manson's train of thought and changed his ambitions. Women have been the undoing of Marilyn Manson, the man & the band. Ever since Marilyn got involved with Rose McGowan, the band has gone steadily downhill. Now, Dita Von Teese has him in her clutches, and again, the band and the image of MM has suffered. Twiggy, one of the very cornerstones of everything MM stood for, has been kicked to the curb... because of Marilyn's devotion to a woman. The decline of sincerity & lack of anything important to say now is evident in "This Is The New Shit": 'shit' is right; it sounds like nothing more than heavy metal gangsta rap. Manson's voice on that song could easily be replaced with Eminem's or even Kid Rock's. There's no conviction in "Golden Age" at all. No passion, no true dissatisfaction, and no social observation or moral message to speak of, as there was in "Portrait" or "Antichrist". "Golden Age" sounds like leftovers from a drunken weekend. Personally, I have nothing against women, and I don't entirely blame McGowan or Von Teese for the ruination of the last great metal band on earth. Manson doesn't have the emotional ability to balance a personal relationship with a professional one. In his mind & heart, there just isn't enough room for everybody involved. And the awe-inspiring entity that once was Marilyn Manson has been reduced to a sad, laughable ghost of it's former glory.
5 - Eric Olsen
wow, Disappointed, that was one hell of a comment, thanks.
whenever I think of the Manson glory days, I think of my older daughter, who only knew them from the radio, singing along to "the beautiful meatball, the beautiful meatball" - she's knows better now, but it isn't the same. Sigh.
6 - michelle
alright so you guys are right manson has seen better days and i can't say that i entirely blame ginger fish for leaving either. your also right on mansons vocals on "this is the new shit" golden age was just not one of his best lyrics. truely i am a manson fan all the way and will forever be. the beautiful meatball thing got me i use to sing to it too. but i think that manson needs to stop mixing himself up in chicks because it is fucking up his music buisness and i almost cried when he let twiggy go. i have nothing against chicks considering i am one but still none the less i must say manson needs to stop seeing them i don't blame him for wanting a relationship he is just an ordinary guy and guys need to fuck sorry if that pissed any of you guys off saying that but it is true. if you have any response or what not email me at schakin@hotmail.com
7 - Pin_Down_Girl
MARTYR PLOT IS A SIDE PROJECT!!!
8 - Disappointed old-school MM fan
Yes, Pin Down Girl, Martyr Plot is a side project... for now.
Call it "employment insurance."
Have you been reading any of the news articles concerning the Marilyn Manson camp here lately?
Taken from the FAQ page of Fishrine.net:
Q: I have heard many times Ginger is out of the band, is this true?
A: As far as I know, nothing official has been announced, and as Ginger says, "It's up to Manson".
It will depend on his decision regarding the next tour, in 2005.
While Marilyn Manson are still a band, Ginger has founded his own side project, Martyr Plot, and is said to start touring with the band in March/April.
March or April... hmm: that coincides nicely with the time that Marilyn is supposed to be marrying Dita Von Teese, wouldn't you say?
One of many URL's for info on "The Wedding That Should Never Happen"
Personally, I'd love to see all of the former jilted members of Marilyn Manson:
Twiggy, Zim Zim, Daisy, John 5, Sara Lee & Gidget interrupt the ceremony just as the preacher asks, "Does any man or woman here today know of any reason or impediment why this couple should not be joined in holy matrimony?"
I could honestly see Twiggy stepping up to the podium and saying to the gathered observers, "Yeah; we've got 6 of 'em right here."
9 - Pin_Down_Girl
I get Marilyn Manson news e-mailed to me daily, I have read the articles on Fishrine.net and I do know about Manson's wedding. And for Martyr Plot's tour dates, wouldn't they have to coincide with Manson's wedding, while Manson is not on tour? And why would the former members want to interupt the ceremony? Along with fishrine.net I also check this site http://members.tripod.com/~GingerFish1966/GingerFish4Life.html for Ginger news.
10 - John Fitzgerald
i was a huge marilyn manson fan in high school. i think that antichrist superstar is one of the greatest albums of all time, but i also think that holy wood, which came out after the supposedly negative influence of rose, is their second best album. as golden age goes, i think it is great. i hated it at first but once i realized the joke of it, i loved it. it's all tongue-in-cheek. i think dita and brian make a wonderful couple. they are beautiful. i don't see what the problem is.
11 - Ruth
First of all, Manson didn't kick Twiggy out - Twiggy left. If you're going to say GAOG isn't good blah blah blame him not Marilyn.
Secondly I don't mind if Ginger leaves as long as everyone in the band is happy about it.
Finally - I can't wait for Dita and Marilyn to get hitched <3.
12 - Temple Stark
Jason,
I kicked this little news item up and over to Advance.net, which includes these places.
Potentially read by hundreds of thousands of visitors.
Thank you for the post. - Temple Stark
13 - jason
thanks!!!
14 - MANSONFAN
I am a huge fan of Marilyn Manson and strongly disagree about Ginger Fish leaving. I know he takes a lot of Mansons shit but when he goes theres barely any originals left in Marilyn Manson. The perfect combination was the originals, Twiggy,5,M.W gacy and Ginger fish, some of these people are the heart and soul of this legendary band. It dissapoints me to say this but, the antichrist is no more!
15 - drew
I think all the old band members who have been kicked should start a band.That would be funky.Marilyn is goin through them like condoms!
16 - drew
Oh ya, is Vertigo any gud?
17 - shelby
i love manson and everyone in the band and im sorry to hear about ginger fish's fall . ginger fish is awesome he's been a great insperation. oh well, i guess there will be another great band on the rise and i hope he doesnt stray to far from that awesome crazy manson sorta sound. i hope that ginger isnt really leaveing the band, hes sexy!!! "he is the angel with the scabbed wings,hard drug face wanna pwoder his nose..."
18 - Vampira
John 5's album 'Vertigo' hasn't had much good cred from critics but I got it and I really liked it. It's very strange, there are no lyrics and 1 or 2 songs I wouldn't advise listening to (unless you're into country music) but don't let that put you off!! There is some excellent guitaring in that album and I'm sure i would be even better if John had lyrics to it! Oh well!
Download: Dead Man's Dream (it rocks ;) )
19 - Barbina
I really really must say...Once I started listening to Manson I was more into the drumming..well Of course the fact of Ginger Fish haha..and I fell in love with them. Once I heard how Manson threw shit at Ginger Fish I was losing more repsect for not only Manson but the band...I notice that the band doesn't give ENOUGH credit to the drummer which pisses the hell I outta me. I miss ginger fish I noticed I don't listen to them as much now...but I am trying ....I love him still...<333
20 - sam_bbk
i think that the idea behind golden age is a particular group 'low art gloominaties'....low art - degenerate art (1930's weimar berlin dadaism) - and about how art was destroyed (last track 'obsequey: the death of art'). Low art GLOOminaties....gloom and illuminati, the illuminati were meant to be a secret society, cross that with gloom and well... If you read mansons comments surrounding the album the idea of it is that it is the idea of having come to an end with nothing new to say, and then 'tuning up the thaeter' (the intro), which then proceeds 'into the new shit'. To understand the album fully i suggest you drink some absinthe beforehand, watch power ofthe will followed by some old school mickey mouse cartoons.
21 - sam_bbk
i think that the idea behind golden age is a particular group (the bright young things) 'low art gloominaties'....low art - degenerate art (1930's weimar berlin dadaism) - and about how art was destroyed (last track 'obsequey: the death of art'). Low art GLOOminaties....gloom and illuminati, the illuminati were meant to be a secret society, cross that with gloom and well... If you read mansons comments surrounding the album the idea of it is that it is the idea of having come to an end with nothing new to say, and then 'tuning up the thaeter' (the intro), which then proceeds 'into the new shit'. To understand the album fully i suggest you drink some absinthe beforehand, watch power ofthe will followed by some old school mickey mouse cartoons on mute while you listen.
22 - Jaysin
I am a huge fan of Marilyn manson and always will be. I really miss twiggy and zimzum, they were my two favorite band members and feel they always did a great job. I am really happy that MW Gacy has made it in the band this long. He is one of my favorites as well. I have started a Marilyn Manson community fan website as well for fans to connect and chat about marilyn manson and other music. Please come visit us at www.MarilynMansonFans.com
Thanks
23 - gingerfan
i used to be big into manson. but not no more. ginger was the best thing next to manson on stage. he inspired me to beat the drum kit. i hope he does walk and he deserves to and i hope his new band works out for him
24 - Bo
Marilyn manson still rocks and the girl who said she doesn't listen to manson bc ginger isnt in mm any more is a total moron, its like sayion g "if justin leaves nsync i'll hate them" MM isnot some fucking boyband. manson has said people leave his band bc the dont want to live the mm lifestlyle anymore or their juss tnot into it. wouldnt that be more boring if ppl were in his band wernt in to it. Tim Skold is a fucking genius and gaog is his best album yet. ppl who diss it are just dumb and only listen to the sound of the music. ne one who doesnt like holywood doesnt get the whole marilyn manson experience. there have been many greats who have had new members in their bands, Kiss, ozzy, nirvana,nin, Alice Cooper,AFI, the cure, and many others.
25 - RiGo
i thought zim zum always kinda sucked. he wasnt that good at guitar. it was really messy. although with a little studio production help it was all very nice on mechanical animals. and then people who didnt like the album blamed john5 even though it was all zim and twiggy too. anyways i really liked ginger's drumming. i think he started sounding dored on holy wood. he probably didnt get much credit on gaog because so much of the drumming was electronic and programmed. he was never really that great of a drummer i think as i play drums too. but i also think tommy lee didnt have much to offer as well even though everyone thinks he's so great (i guess playing drums upside down might be kinda hard with gravity working a little differently. i saw them live with chris vrenna and i think the drumming is the least of our worries, marilyn was boring. i wish they would do something different like make an acustic album or a more toned down new wave style album, something with less or different song structure than chorus, verse, chorus, verse, bridge, chorus, outro. its all the same,, very stiff. well if people dont yell at me too much i will provide some names of some bands i started listening to after i stopped being such a hardcore mm fan, and believe me its not what you think.