She can't even fake being interested in the trick. Come on, now. You're on the clock here.
I immediately concede that this review will be unfair to Mariah Carey, in that I've been steeping in real music. After spending the last month immersed in a real singer like KD Lang, and a just plain real human being like June Carter Cash, how could I talk myself into liking an empty corporate whore such as Mariah Carey? I admit that I'm not equal to that task.…
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— go to most recent comments76 - J
OMG, is that "Al Barger" in that pic?
ROFL. A libertarian who idolizes Johnny Cash and K.D. Lang reviewing Mariah Carey?
ROFL!!!!!
I won't even comment on his looks....
77 - ryan
LOL
Damn, you are SO UGLY and FAT.
LOL
No wonder why you're hating on beautiful women.
When was the last time you've been able to get some?
LOL
Actually, i feel for you looking the way you do.
It's just too funny.
It proves my point: You couldn't make in the show bizness with that look lol.
People hate on MC cus she' rich, young and beatiful.
Do like MC and US (The mtv generation). WE'RE YOUNG AND SEXY CUS we eat good and exercise 4* a week.
It's funny, everytime I put a long sleeve shirt on, haters always tell me "I didn't know you had regular shirts", b/c I always wear tank tops.
I can show off my body AS MUCH AS I WANT, so can MC.
Where are yall when we are killing ourselves at the gym?
KEEP ON HATING ON THE YOUNG AND BEAUTIFUL WON'T CHANGE YOU LOOK
78 - ryan
And you stay in Indianna?
The largest KKK chapter of this nation.
I was obviously right to call you a redneck, i could just feel it in your tone.
The only black artist that you like seems to be the "junkies", the ones who give our people a bad name "billie holyday, macy grey...."
79 - Al Barger
MAF, easy now. I've got no intention or desire of harshing on you. You have come in being friendly and civil, even to disagree. Thank you.
The only racially oriented comments are coming from this Ryan dude- and I'm not even bashing on him. He does, however, start to sound like Eddie Murphy's paranoid Kit character from Bowfinger, counting the number of Ks in a screenplay and dividing by three.
You're totally cool though MAF, and I encourage you to drop in more comments about this or any other column at Blogcritics, especially mine.
I can see why this particular review seems harsh, but I stress again that I mean this professionally. It's "corporate whore." I don't know or care or presume to speculate about her private life.
However, this album sounds like a crass, market research driven product, rather than any real attempt at speaking from the heart. And if you think I'm bashing her, you should see some of what I've written on latter day Springsteen. That dude was really cheesing me off.
It's not that MC just has no talent. She certainly has a good vocal instrument, but it's the use that she's putting it to what hits my yuck button. It's not that I object to climbing up into the high end of the vocal range. Hey, use your whole range. She does not sound to me like a gospel singer in the grip of the holy spirit though, but more like a hooker acting a part for a trick.
I listen to a lot of gospel music, white and black. I've been into Albertina Walker in particular in the last year. "How I Got Over" has been a big favorite. You ever hear the Trumpeteers? "This Is a Mean Old World" really does it for me.
I've never really listened to Minnie Ripperton, but I've become a big enough fan of her daughter to be wanting to check Mom out. Any particular suggestions there?
80 - Sister Ray
Ryan, trust me, Billie Holiday does not give "your people" a bad name.
81 - Al Barger
Perhaps Master Ryan would like to discuss who does and doesn't make black folk look bad.
However, I would hasten to reassure him that I do not hold Mariah Carey's bad musical reputation against his people. Partly that is because I don't particularly think of her as African-American, though I know in theory that she is so considered.
Still, to me Mariah seems closer to Britney Spears than to the sainted Aretha. I'm just saying.
82 - Al Barger
John [comment 72], I'd probably pick Macy as best new female r&b artist of the last 20 years, depending on how far you stretch that definition. Do you count Tracy Chapman as "r&b" for example?
But somewhere near equal to Macy in classic modern r&b from the penis having side of the aisle, I put a lot of stock in Sananda Matreiya, formerly known as Terence Trent D'Arby. He rules.
Then of course there's the 800 lb gorilla in the modern r&b living room, the Beatles of funk whose daddy named him Prince.
83 - ryan
"Perhaps Master Ryan would like to discuss who does and doesn't make black folk look bad."
Yes, i'd like to.
And I don't care if you're value system is all messed up but NO MATTER HOW TALENTED of a singer Billie Holliday is, she is a women before anything else and she failed as a women/mother.
On my list you'll find NO JUCKIES:
Will Smith is a fine black role model.
Denzel Washington is somebody any race should look up to.
Mariah Carey is a strong willed black women who made it through the toughness of those media w/o devlopping a bad habbits.
Oprah is great sister/american.
Bill Cosby is great too.
Jill Sctoot, Toni Braxton and the list goes on and on...
84 - ryan
"she came on very much like the faux hysterics of a prostitute. She came on with the athleticism, and the squealing away in a high register with patently fake waves of vocal orgasms. She might as well just name an album Oh Baby, It's So Big!"
How can't you see that you're not just calling her a corporate whore.
Obviously, you're saying that her singing style is whorish too.
MC is NO britney. britney will never pull off songs such "Vision of Love", "make it happen", "Love takes time" ,"If it's over", "butterfly", "breakdown"...
It really seems to me that you don't know what you're talking about.
Have even heard her discography?
85 - uao
Ryan said: "Mariah Carey is a strong willed black women who made it through the toughness of those media"
Mariah Carey is black ?!?!? Isn't her father Venezuelan/African? That would make her 1/4 black; one could also argue she's Venezuelan, using the same formula.
She's also 1/2 Irish, because of her mother.
So isn't Mariah Carey an Irishwoman, more than anything? Or a Latina, as much as black?
This is why those people, black and white, who are hung up on race are really wasting their lives.
Because, frankly, there is no such thing as race. The "1/4 rule" is a leftover from the slave days that is better off forgotten.
Someday the world will relaize what science already knows: there is no such thing as "race", it's an artificial concept, and a fairly recent one in the history of mankind.
It's a concept slave traders used to justify their actions; the sooner whites and blacks discard that notion and raise their children accordingly, the sooner we can be done with this useless fight, and turn both of our attention to those things that are real.
Ryan had a point when he was upset at Al for picking on Mariah Carey (although Al had every right to do so; as a celebrity producing consumer product, Carey is subject to critique as much as anyone); he's entitled to defend her career as much as he wants to.
But Ryan is waaaay off base turning this into a racial issue, bringing in the KKK, trucking out "redneck". Al was reviewing what he saw as crassness in Carey's product, not what he thinks of black people.
Equating Indiana with the KKK is just as stupid as if I said everyone in Harlem, South Chicago, and South Los Angeles are on dope. I'd be a racist if I did that, or thought that.
It's also low to make fun of Al's picture. Let's see yours, Ryan.
On the drug issue, it's nice you don't support junkies, ryan. So Billie Holiday gives your people a bad name. Does Ray Charles? Jimi Hendrix? George Clinton? By the way, heroin isn't a "black" thing either. I guess whites ought to be embarrassed by John Lennon, Eric Clapton, Steve Earle, an U2-- all junkies at one time or another. If we erased every drug user from history, there wouldn't be a whole lot of musicians left.
Dude, if Al doesn't like Carey and likes Macy Gray instead, then that's his musical taste. As many have pointed out, nothing he said is going to hurt Carey or her sales. So why all the hate?
However, as someone who his 5/8 Irish myself, I'm gonna have to ask Al: what's up hatin' on the Irish, bro? Mariah Carey is one of my people...
86 - Al Barger
Ryan writes, "you're saying that her singing style is whorish too."
Yes, I'm saying that much of her singing style strikes me as whorish, as fake waves of pretend emotion. That is still not saying anything about her personl life.
I was being a bit facetious comparing her to Britney. Even I recognize that Mariah Carey is a real singer, even if she's singing crappy songs. Of course she's more skilled that Britney. Still- and this was my point with the comparison- MC's records sound more to me like the crass commercial style of Britney than to the roots of gospel and soul coming from Aretha.
I just do not pick out music based on who I think is a good role model. I know Billie Holiday was a junkie, but I haven't picked up all the specific details because I don't really care. She's long dead, and those things don't make any difference now anyway.
However, she was as fine a jazz singer as ever stepped to a mic, and they can't take that away from her. She's gone, but those records are still classic for all time.
Billie Holiday managed to accomplish something worthwhile with her life, despite her personal demons. That accomplishment is far more significant than her foibles. I still listen to Michael Jackson records, too.
Will Smith seems like a fine fellow, but he's not really a musician. He's a celebrity and an actor, and sometimes he gets slowed down for a minute to make a record.
I'm much more interested in who has accomplished something noteworthy than in who was clean living or a nice guy.
Also though, I'm not inclined to think of people as exemplars of race. Elvis wasn't a white guy- he was Elvis Frickin' Presley. Duke Ellington wasn't a black guy- he was Duke Ellington, and perhaps the finest musician America has produced. And also, if you're interested in such things, Duke was probably a much finer personal role model than Elvis.
And 100 years from now, Elvis and Duke Ellington and Billie Holiday will still be well known figures and Mariah will be long forgotten.
87 - MAF
Mariah forgotten? I agree with
alot of what you may say Al.
But as much as we would like
for deeper more revolutionary
artist to be remembered, Mariah
is going to deeply engrained
into people's minds after she
is gone. Here in Africa even
villagers know Mariah.
Her affect
on pop culture is evident
everytime you put on these
talent hunt shows like the
absurdly famous American
Idol. All the girls seem
to be trying to do her
runs, trills, and vocal acr-
obatics. I understand how
easy it is to dislike an
artist like Mariah, I wish
her depth matched her abilty.
And when I
say her voice is derived from
gospel music, I'm not saying
that she sings like she is in
a choir on her CD's. I was
saying that is what her voice
is modeled after.
As an African
I can even hear my roots in
Ms. Carey's voice behind all
that corporate glair and polish.
I really wish she had more to
say though, because her voice
is a formidable instrument
indeed.
Frankly I think the
world needs campy pop culture
icons ( She has a frigging
cult in Africa )like her.
We need John Grisham and
Stephen King as much as we
need the Faulkners, Kerouacs,
and George Elliots.
To her credit,
she has to be doing something
right to have sold 150 million
albums. I belive the figure,
because everyone I know who
can afford it here has her
entire frigging library. I
was blessed to visit Japan
last year July, and they love
her there too. I even have some
of her CD's in my Library.
True, she is no
Albertina Walker, Rev. Shirley,
or the grossly underated and
unappreciated Jennifer Holiday.
But, Mariah fills her role.
And it seems what she represents
to you ( satanic megacorps), is
making you judge her to harshly.
She is not your cup of tea. That
is fine. But using the word "whore"
on Mariah seems a bit much when
Condoleeza Rice lives in your
country.
At least she puts
her gifts to good use and makes
people happy.
88 - Al Borland
Let me point out that very VERY few young people have any clue who Billie Holiday is. I would also have to say that less than .1% know who Duke Elington is. And the only reason that Elvis is known is because thousands upon thousands of house mothers are still swooning over his bloated dead body. Sad that he has a better chance of being a man-whore than yourself.
And I love how you say Will Smith isn't a musician. I like to believe that any artist who wins a grammy, is a musician.
89 - Natalie Davis
I'm sure the still-living half of Milli Vanilli is grateful for that.
90 - Al Borland
Stripped, keep trying.
91 - Natalie Davis
Good catch. Doesn't mean that every Grammy winner is a good musician. Of course, I don't the Grammy has a lot of credibility.
92 - ryan
Thank you BAM, your post was great.
I'd like to say sorry for being overly agressive too. But as yall know, MC fans (lambs) are VERY passionate when it comes to her b/c she is very toughful compare to other artist (leaving voicemail every week on her website and often spontaniously inviting fans who come to show love at her hotel around the world to spend the whole afternnon with her).
I respect critics and different opinion, but I still beleive that this review was VERY VISCIOUS.
She is a human being and deserves to be treated with respect like any other.
So I repeat it: I AM SORRY.
93 - ryan
Moreover, the reason I refer to her as a black women is not baser on the 1/8 rules in some US slave states.
And her father is 100% black.
Yes,he's from venuzuela but he was a BLACK venuzuelian. Not a mixed one.
But yeah, as science teaches us, there's no such thing as diffrent human race.
Back on focus, the reason I refer to her as a black woman is not b/c of her biological background, but b/c of her sociological one.
She had to move 11 times in 10 yrs b/c of her race. She had her dog poisonned b/c of her race. Her life experience is definitly the one of a black kid in the 70s.
That is why I call her a black woman.
If you're not a black personn living in the US, it is harder for you to understand that.
And it's ok. I respect it too.
94 - ryan
The thing I don't get is why is it so bad for an artist to just wanna make people feels good and empower.
Contrary to withney Houston or Celine Dion MC music is not especially about love.
Untill now (we belong together), her biggest hits were NOT love song contrary to what lazy people who won't do their homework assumes; but INSPIRATIONAL songs.
Ask any MC fans they'll tell you that their favorite songs are:
Hero, 1 sweet day and Make it happen.
Those are songs that empower people and make them feel like they can conquer the world and make it through any hardship.
Those are the one she were ask to sing after 9/11, at the M.Jordan retirement party, at the live8.
So i disagree strongly when you say she has NOTHING TO SAY.
A lot of people were saying how she was a star with no flavor b/c they tough her life was a cinderella story.
Then GLITTER happened, she got dumped by Luis when she was talking marriage, and in the same year her dad she just reconciliated with died.
People though MC was a stupid, weak, hypocritical dumb blond b/c unlike Madonna or Whitney, MC doesn't bark back.
They tought she was retiring or something and that she just accepted her failure.
But NO!
MC doesn't talk the talk but she surely walk the walk.
She made it through and for that her fans love her even more.
Now when she sings "hero", "make it happen", "1 sweet day" It makes it so much realer.
95 - ryan
The thing I don't get is why is it so bad for an artist to just wanna make people feels good and empower.
Contrary to withney Houston or Celine Dion MC music is not especially about love.
Untill now (we belong together), her biggest hits were NOT love song contrary to what lazy people who won't do their homework assumes; but INSPIRATIONAL songs.
Ask any MC fans they'll tell you that their favorite songs are:
Hero, 1 sweet day and Make it happen.
Those are songs that empower people and make them feel like they can conquer the world and make it through any hardship.
Those are the one she were ask to sing after 9/11, at the M.Jordan retirement party, at the live8.
So i disagree strongly when you say she has NOTHING TO SAY.
A lot of people were saying how she was a star with no flavor b/c they tough her life was a cinderella story.
Then GLITTER happened, she got dumped by Luis when she was talking marriage, and in the same year her dad she just reconciliated with died.
People though MC was a stupid, weak, hypocritical dumb blond b/c unlike Madonna or Whitney, MC doesn't bark back.
They tought she was retiring or something and that she just accepted her failure.
But NO!
MC doesn't talk the talk but she surely walk the walk.
She made it through and for that her fans love her even more.
Now when she sings "hero", "make it happen", "1 sweet day" It makes it so much realer.
96 - ryan
There's a hero If you look inside your heart
You don't have to be afraid Of what you are
There's an answer If you reach into your soul
And the sorrow that you know Will melt away
And then a hero comes along
With the strength to carry on
And you cast your fears aside
And you know you can survive
So when you feel like hope is gone
Look inside you and be strong
And you'll finally see the truth
That a hero lies in you
It's a long road When you face the world alone No one reaches out a hand For you to hold You can find love If you search within yourself And the emptiness you felt Will disappear
Chorus
Lord knows Dreams are hard to follow But don't let anyone Tear them away Hold on There will be tomorrow
In time, You'll find the way
Chorus
97 - ryan
Make it Happen Lyrics
Artist(Band):Mariah Carey Review The Song (1) Print the Lyrics
Make it Happen
Not more than three short years ago
I was abandoned and alone
Without a penny to my name
So very young and so afraid
No proper shoes upon my feet
Sometimes I couldn't even eat
I often cried myself to sleep
But still I had to keep on going
Never knowing if I could take it
If I would make it through the night
I held on to my faith
I struggled and I prayed
And now I've found my way
Chorus:
If you believe in yourself enough
And know what you want
You're gonna make it happen
(Make it happen)
And if you get down on your
knees at night
And pray to the Lord
He's gonna make it happen
(Make it happen)
I know life can be so tough
And you feel like giving up
But you must be strong
Baby just hold on
You'll never find the answers
if you throw your life away
I used to feel the way you do
Still I have to keep on going
Never knowing if I could take it
If I would make it through the night
I held on to my faith
I struggled and I prayed
And now I've finally found my way
Chorus
I once was lost
But now I'm found
I got my feet on solid ground
Thank you Lord
If you believe within your soul
Just hold on tight
And don't let go
You can make it happen
(Make it happen)
Chorus
98 - ryan
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Sorry, I never told you, all I wanted to say.
Now it's too late to hold you. '
Cause you've flown away, so far away.
Never, Had I imagined, yeah, living without your smile.
Feelin' and knowing you hear me.
It keeps me alive. Alive!
And I know you're shining down on me from Heaven,
Like so many friends we've lost along the way,
And I know eventually we'll be together.
One sweet day.
Picture a little scene from Heaven.
Darling, I never showed you.
Assumed you'd always be there.
I took your presence for granted.
But I always cared
And I miss the love we shared
chorus
Although, the sun will never shine the same, I'll
always look to a brighter day.
Yeah, Lord, I know, when I lay me down to sleep,
You'll always listen, as I pray!
And I know you're shining down on me from Heaven,
Like so many friends we've lost along the way,
And I know eventually we'll be together.
One sweet day.
chorus
Sorry, I Never told you, all I wanted to say
99 - ryan
sorry for posting her songs in here, but it seems some of yall need to be educated on her work.
This can hardly be called "bad lyrics", "nothing to say."
100 - uao
Ryan:
Re: comment 93.
I apologize also if I sounded harsh; I just wanted to make sure I had your attention.
I'm a white guy in America. Never lived in the South; born and raised in NYC, I live in LA.
I did spend 8 years outside of the country in Asia. Guess what, bro? Us few whites and blacks hung out together, partied together, traded music, confided, all kinds of cool stuff. Because in Aisia, we were ALL foreigners. The Asians didn't give a crap what color we were; they're all colors, too. And most of us, of all visiting colors, didn't know where-from-the-who-what in Asia.
After 8 years there, coming back was a bummer trip. I felt like I outgrew racial distinction completely, and I returned to America to see the same childish shit trailing on, with ignorance fully entrenched on any side of the fence. Jeez, I can't help where my gratgrandaddy came from any more that you can; you and I and Al and Mariah Carey and 6.5 billion are all shipmates on this doomed rowboat I call "Humanity"
So as far as I'm concerned, any discussion of Maraih Carey's music that plays a racial card, from reviewer or commenter, is out of line, period.
You apologized, and it's all good. Again I apologize for sensitivity on the racial issue. I have been on the mountain, and seen how it ought to be, and even is, in some places.
re: Mariah Carey, and Al's review.
First off let's face it, neither you nor Al will change the other's mind about the merits of her music.
So, I'm going to postulate that Al, when admitting: I immediately concede that this review will be unfair to Mariah Carey, in that I've been steeping in real music. was in fact alerting Carey fans to his bias, and forewarning them that his review wasn't about her music so much as it was in her porduct, and promotion thereof.
If Maraih Carey makes you happy, then God bless her heart, and I say that as a non-fan. Nobody is an artist unless they make somebody feel something (happy, sad, angry, anything). So I respect Carey as an artist for reaching her fans on such a deep and personal level.
Al, I suspect (I'm not speaking for him just about how I percieve his intentions) sees Carey as focusing on the "deliver the product" aspect of music creation, and he prefers those who contribute the idiosyncracies that make something not obviously hitworthy.
Carey fans will say she delivers those idiosyncracies, in addition to talent, stick-to-itiveness in the face of racism, an a personal dialogue with fans few provide.
My own personal disinclination to listen to Carey aren't racial or even the-cat-just-can't-hear-r&b style. I just think her showboating of her voal octave range robs her songs of meaning a less-talented performer might give them, while putting the focus squarely on her. In this respect, she becomes a circus performer (worthy of respect), but loses emotional connection.
With me. You might see it differently; it's all good.
God bless her for spreading joy. And forgive some of us for being raised on rock 'n' roll and maybe not getting Carey's appeal, and a lot of other things.
Just as you yourself admitted that your musical universe was based on different genres, a different paradigm.
So a good retort to (very patient, given this thread) Al might be, "Here's what you fail to see, for these reasons. And here's what I see, for these reasons"
I butted in because racial stuff (from any race) disturbs me, and I always feel like I have to comment; I'm just a product of my own life. That shit really saps energy from life, and we just don't need it. Especially these days.
I respect your opinion, Ryan, you're cool.
I'd like to agree-to-disagree on Mariah. Maybe you and Al might find such a space?
101 - MAF
Macy Gray is good at what she
does, but to call her r&b is
to put her in a box. Because
she is black does not mean
her music is r&b, the same
goes for Prince and Sananda.
They have tons of rock and
folk infused into thier music.
Musical genres
can't be determined by race. It
is true that certain races own
certain genres historically, but
history itself has shown that
boundaries where meant to be
breached. Mariah is not a soul
singer based on her racial
makeup, but because she has
enough soul to reach to the folks
who invented it. Namely black
people. How do you explain stars
like Lisa Stansfield and Jon B
making it big on black stations?
The race problem in
America always makes me sad when I
am there. I see the white fear and
feel the black anger from my own
people. I really hope you guys
work it out.
102 - Yeahwhatever
hi guys, knows this maybe a bit late, havnt had time to check this page in a couple of days, been out and about.
But if i do recall that yes celine dion did become the biggest selling female artist of all time last year,taking over mariah careys title, but now with the release of the emanicipation, she has retained that title of the biggest selling female artist IN HISTORY!, 16 no.1's only three more and she will pass elvis. Madonna has come nowhere near mariah, yeah madonna has had an impact for sure on music over the past i dont know how many decades but in mariahs short period of time been an artists wouldnt you say she has made a bigger impact on music?
just something to thnk about. Mariah is a great artist, and through my life, her music has got me through some tough times.............
Cheers
103 - uao
Celine Dion's ears were just burning hot as she read all this hype about arch-rival Mariah, so she told yeahwhatever, her sycophant lackey publicist, to promote her long-ago-went-Vagas-for-the-drunk-and-old-crowd music. Okay yeahwhatever, yeah whatever.
This list still has that old forgotten crow Madonna as #1 female artist in sales.
Top-100 selling artists, worldwide*
From answers.com, quoting wiki
104 - uao
If you go by total number of charting singles, Aretha Franklin is still Queen. Of anyone.
105 - OK
righto, fair enough........i accept that yeah madonna may of sold more albums, but not by many.
106 - Al Barger
Ryan, thanks for your apology. Accepted. Let's be pals.
Also, I recognize that I'm pretty good at pushing people's buttons. You were harshing on me pretty bad there for a minute, but I was taking a pretty tough line on Mariah. I can appreciate the extent of your identification with your idol. Hey, I probably deserve a little slapping around from time to time.
Again though, my criticism is strictly professional. I think UAO misunderstands- which may be my fault. I am not at all trying to write about her promotional efforts or personal life, but just about what's on the records.
After listening to KD and June Carter's realness, MC sounds fake and contrived to me. It happened to be KD and June that I have recently been digging, but could as easy have been the Soul Stirrers and Robert Johnson.
Also though, it is limited criticism. Note that I never say anything like that she is "stupid, weak, hypocritical." I absolutely do not even vaguely think any of those things about her. She seems like a pretty tough broad.
Ryan and Yeahwhatever, I do not begrudge you your Mariah Carey. She really actively hits my yuck buttons- as I think I've made abundantly clear, but I recognize that she's certainly one of the bigger selling artists ever. I have trouble believing that anyone will care about her music a couple of generations down the line. But then, I can't see what y'all are seeing in it now.
However, if Mariah does it for you, more power to you. For my part, I'd be happy to see either or both of you become members of Blogcritics, and post album-by-album or even song-by-song notes on Mariah and why you think they're so cool.
107 - ryan
That list is B.S b/c it comes from different sourses.
It CAN NOT be accurate.
The world music award (in monte carlo)have been tracking the sales for years b/c all there award are solely based on sales.
And they give that title to MC.
Morover, another source RIAA, based solely on US sales gives the edge on MC over Madonna and just trailing Barbara Streisand (in the USA only).
This list was last updated last christmas. The Emmancipation just reached 4*platinum and is still in the top5 selling 100k+ a week.
It is safe to say that by the end of this year MC will be AT LEAST 2million in front of Madonna.
And if you got the list of 100 best seilling album in the world, M. Jackson and Mariah are the only one with 5 solo album on the list.
Celine and Madonna got "only 4".
108 - Sister Ray
Thanks for that link, uao. I was surprised to see some artists from the 1950s, like Ricky Nelson, ranked so high. More power to him.
I'll play nice this time and keep further editorial comments to myself...like the one about Garth Brooks' high rank!?!. Oops, that one comment just slipped out :->
109 - ryan
Comparing Madonna and Mariah's influences is kinda fonky.
Madonna is what you call an engaged artist. She give her opinion on daily things that touches (in a bad or goog way)everybody. She has a bigger social impact than MC. (emmancipated homosexuality, anti war, female role in sex, religion....)
She got a big impact in the career building field too. She invented cheap publicity stunts that janet and Xtina are using (sex, erotica, kissing britney, conic bra...), and proved that Every publicity is good publicity. She devlopped the promotion by controversy that Eminem has been using too.
Mariah on the other side has more impact on MUSIC in itself. She popularised the use of Melisma and in EVERY music competition girls try to sound like her.
Her style is soooo overwhelmingly popular that the judge of Amerivan Idol had to ban her songs from the audition b/c Simmon was tired of all hearing ALL THOSE GIRLS tring to perform that vocal gymnastic.
110 - ryan
The biggest actual stars SINGERS all cited MC as their #1 musical inspiration: Xtina aguilera, Beyonce, Jessica simpson...
And you can easily hear it.
All of themn are often criticised for OVERsinging.
111 - Mike
I guess the lesson we've all learned is: some people like Mariah's music and some don't. To some people, "Hero" is a schmaltzy piece of garbage, but to some, it made them re-think suicide attempts. Al has sort of redeemed himself in some of his comments, and I thank him for that. However, I must disagree with him on one thing- the lasting of Mimi's impact. As a music reviewer, you are probably familiar with the popular trend of female pop/R&B singers doing collabarations with gangsta rappers. Recent examples include X-tina's Dirrty, Beyonce's Crazy In Love, Ciara's Goodies, Gwen Stefani's Rich Girl, etc, etc. This was virtually unheard of until 1995 when Mariah collaborated with ODB for her Fantasy remix. The remix would debut at #1 and stay there for many, many weeks, becoming a 90's classic. Before I end this, I would like to point out that a singer who has a 15-year career is rare; an artist who comes back from a flop movie, two flop CDs, a failed relationship, her father dying, her label paying her 28 million to go away, and being checked into a hospital...and releases the biggest album and single of the year...that's pretty amazing, regarding whatever you think of Mariah's musical styles.
112 - Al Barger
Brother Ryan, I'm afraid I'd have to dock Mariah a few points if I were holding her responsible for Christina Aguilera- much less Jessica Simpson. Though I must admit to seconding Eminem's analysis re: Jessica Simpson. "Nick, I ain't never seen an 'Ass Like That.'"
Still, I detest American Idol as a pestilence upon the land. Your remarks sound easy to believe. I can see how all these talent show types want to go for those identifiably Mariah influenced gymnastics. That stuff is just the kind of annoying surface level stuff these shows promote.
She definitely gets docked for the American Idolization of America.
113 - ryan
I guess it's about taste.
I think that coming from a Britney era (1998-2002), people are happy to finnaly hear singers who can actually sing live.
I think that Kelly Clarckson deserves her success, she won a SINGING talent show over hundreds of thousands of people.
Yes, after that, the succes was immediate and easy to get.
But winning that SINGING talent show was NOT easy.
I don't understand why when something is mainstream, it is seen by some as "cheaper".
Elvis was seen as a cheap cheesy singer when he was alive b/c of his teen appeal, now, critics talk about him like he was the best thing EVER.
Same goes with the beattles who were seen as just another boys band like the backstreet boys.
Xtina cd "striped" is a peace of art, a masterpeace.
I LOVE songs such as "walk away", "beautiful"....
She has a lot of personnality.
Yes, the was she came out was not the smartest, but she wanted to make a statement.
And she obviously got her point across.
Anyway, I think that ones commercial success will determine is place in history once they're gone.
The only way one can really end up remember his through millions of fans still swearing by that artist once he's gone.
114 - ihateoreilly
AL...GET READY TO LAUGH. LOOK AT THE NEW WEBSITE MARIAH CAREY'S "LAMBS" HAVE CREATED. THIS WILL MAKE YOUR DAY!
www.wisethinker.com/teamlamb
Oh,and I think Britney Spears is a FAR MORE talented vocalist than Dog Whistle. At least when Britney sings, I don't imagine someone clawing their fingernails on a chalkboard.
115 - Al Barger
Oh Rand have mercy on this Team Lamb dude. I believe he has already contributed to this comments thread.
HIS MARIAH CAREY WEBSITE
What's really amusing about his site is the basic strategy of purposely engineering a public trashing of Madonna in order to supposedly help re-establish Mariah's place as top female artist.
It's not very nice, granted, but I have to say that it's pretty amusing. The site's more an anti-Madonna site than a pro-Mariah one, really. He has a whole page with links to Amazon review submission pages for various Madonna albums with action alert links such as "Click here to trash 'Bedtime Stories'
TRASH MADONNA
116 - Al Barger
OK Ryan, I'll concede that Kelly Clarkson and some of the other American Idols are obviously better singers than Britney or Ashlee Nepotistic Lip-Synching Simpson. However, that seems to me to be setting the bar WAY too low.
Also, in fairness re: Christina, I'll give you "Beautiful." That one is a pretty good song. Uncle.
117 - Bob A. Booey
It's clearly satire and really pretty funny. No real Mariah fan would Photoshop her picture into famous album covers of other artists.
The only thing that bugs me is the Paypal donation part of it.
For the love of Rand, Brother Ryan, stay away from Indiana.
That is all.
118 - ihateoreilly
Gosh, I wish that Mariah site was satire, but I'm afraid it isn't. Her fans are rabid, psychotic, and truly believe Mariah should have been the fifth Beatle.
119 - ryan
She'll outsell the Beatle easy.
She already got more weeks at #1 than thhey do.
She's 3 #1 single away from them too.
MC got the most loyal fans next to M. Jackson
120 - Wendy
I find it bizarre that if you hate someone so much that you can take the time to listen 'carefully' to their music and write a [cough cough] review. 'Why' certainly escapes me, Why would you spend that amount of time listening to someone you hate?
My problem with your opinion is that you use the word 'whore' so much and incorrectly. Mariah Carey is clearly not a whore.
Your review is not a review, it's not impartial, it's just an opinion. One that I, and many other fans, couldn't change so I'm not going to bother. But I want to say that if you want to be a critic, and give your opinions to people then I think should show us why we should listen before you give critical 'reviews' of artists three billion times better than you.
121 - Al Barger
Wendy, are you sure that Mariah Carey is really 3 BILLION times better than me? That seems harsh. A couple of thousand times better than me, maybe, 100,000 times better than me perhaps, but 3 B-I-L-L-I-O-N? Baby, that's rough.
122 - Temple Stark
I just bought another copy of the album.
123 - Al Barger
You a glutton for punishment, ain't ya Temple? Do you need an extra copy so you can play them separately in each ear, listening to two Mariah songs at once?
Ouch, my ears are hurting just thinking about it.
124 - ihateoreilly
ryan:
I hate to bust your bubble here. It is clearly known that Mariah scored many of her hits by deeply discounting them to 49 cents. Most of her number one hits were NOT EVEN hits, but because of chart manipulation, they became number one hits. She is the reason Billboard changed their charts. In terms of Mariah being more influential than Madonna musically, that's a laugh. Madonna doesn't get a lot of respect musically, but her songs have lasted..they are not flavor of the months songs which you never hear again like those of your dog whistle.
125 - Temple Stark
Mariah to the left of me, Mariah to the right. Stuck in the middle with .... ooooh.
I still very much like the album though. Not on any Top 100 albums, but a couple of the songs might end up on my top 1,000.