In case you're unfamiliar with Gretchen Wilson and her music, I offer this brief synopsis of her work: Wilson's music is the sonic equivalent of prison rape...during a root canal...performed by an unlicensed, blind dentist...while being forced to dine on British cuisine.
In case you're unfamiliar with Gretchen Wilson and her music, I offer this brief synopsis of her work: Wilson's music is the sonic equivalent of prison rape ... during a root canal ... performed by an unlicensed, blind dentist ... while being forced to dine on British cuisine. Except that watching some dude get his butt violated is a helluvalot more entertaining than listening to this dumb bitch further retardify country music.…
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26 - Bennett
"The Search For Polarization Bremsstrahlung From 53 keV Electrons In Solid Thin-Film Targets"
as opposed to
"I Wish I Could Punch Gretchen Wilson In The Nuts"?
Sure. You betcha. No doubt about it. I may not understand wtf you're writing about, but at least it would bring quality content to BC, something that isn't simply a twisted and hate filled rant.
Poo-poo jokes will always be funny to adolescents, rarely do they provide much in the way of entertainment or intellectual stimulation for adults.
As Temple points out, the piece on your blog about "things i know about vagina owners" is a clear indicator of where your head is at.
Hopefully, it's just immaturity speaking, as opposed to the very real possibility that you're a frustrated woman-hater lashing out at whoever happens by, or a potential psychopath.
Do the world a favor, leave the hate on your own blog. Bring things of value and creativity to BC.
Thanks.
27 - Al Barger
But Mr Buttki, re: comment 24, Temple is questioning Timmy's motives, and saying more silly de-humanizing stuff about me "says all we need to know about you." Well, no it doesn't- and Temple already knows a lot more about me than this. If he wishes to accuse me of misogyny knowing my work, then I would have to go back to questioning his motives some more.
In short, the attacks on Timmy and anyone who would defend him here are largely to the person. What kind of bad person would think like this?
In fact, Timmy had clear and specific reasoning for the way he was talking about Gretchen Wilson. You may argue whether or not it was GOOD reasoning, but it is NOT just generalized abusive talk about women. It was this woman, and the things that she says, her whole basic public personnae.
Monsieur Saleski, no, I would not support just any wild attack on any person for whom I have distaste. This particular attack, however, has merit. Timmy overstated the point for satiric effect, but he's criticizing her basic embrace of white trashness. He's clearly addressing her individual songs and actions.
By contrast, I take a pretty dim view of Hillary Clinton. She's certainly a ripe target for ridicule on numerous levels. However, I would not defend calling her a white trash whore, cause that's just not accurate. Her husband, on the other hand, would fall a lot closer to this mark.
Yes, Timmy could not unreasonably be seen as "offensive." I kind of winced myself. Being offensive, however, does not mean that his argument does not have legitimate merit, or that it's not funny.
Simply deciding to label an idea "offensive" does not mean that it is illegitimate or untrue. Reality is pretty offensive a good part of the time.
Still, Timmy should apologize for accusing Wilson of the "retardification" of country music. It is not right to slander people what can't help being retarded by lumping them in with the freely chosen stupidity of Gretchen Wilson.
28 - Matthew T. Sussman
Gentlemen, either it's funny or its not.
29 - Scott Butki
That's easy - it's not.
Using the b word doesn't help an argument - it cheapens it.
It's not listening to Howard Stern trying to talk politics - he thinks by throwing in bad words and naughty ideas that he's hilarious.
30 - Al Barger
But Scott, this article is NOT merely "bad words and naughty ideas." It is a targeted criticism of Gretchen Wilson's music and public personnae. He's not merely refering to her as a bitch, but explaining pretty clearly what he means by it.
Perhaps you could update George Carlin's famous "Seven Dirty Words" with a new list of words that will not be tolerated under the New Tolerance.
31 - Anna
Hey, Al, I'm a Gretchen Wilson fan. Well, maybe fan is too strong of a word. I think her music is fun and I own a CD, but I probably wouldn't go to a concert. I'm also an educated liberal lesbian feminist. Kinda shoots down your generalization of her fans and what they deserve or want. It's never okay to write off a woman as a dumb bitch, even if you think her music sucks.
32 - Al Barger
Oh now Anna, come on. For starters, I'm not the author of this column. I found it amusing, but that doesn't mean that I take it for gospel. I wouldn't have written this.
Plus, of COURSE, a generalized satirical description of a singer will not be something universally applicable to every fan. I'm a pretty fair Public Enemy fan, but you certainly wouldn't address some general criticism of them against me. Ha!
Also though, look past your offense at the mere word "bitch" to what is actually being said. Speaking for myself, I'm not saying that GW is DUMB. It's not that she doesn't have any brains, but that she misuses them in the glorification of foolishness that wears real thin with me real fast.
The beef with Gretchen is not even that her music sucks- though it certainly does. Why would you EVER EVER listen to this, when you could just as easy be digging on Loretta Lynn or KD Lang? They're, you know, real musicians with something to say.
No, the abusive tone with Gretchen comes because of the bad cultural things that she chooses to represent.
33 - Matthew T. Sussman
If you guys wanna hear a good parody of redneck anthems, try this sample:
http://www.paulandstorm.com/sounds/6guys.mp3
34 - Scott Butki
Actually I was thinking of George Carlin as I wrote that comment about Howard Stern. In an article in the NYTimes yesterday Carlin was saying he doesn't like Stern because Stern likes to go after the underdog. Which is sort of my problem here - it's ok to critique someone but when you start throwing out slurs then it becomes questionable.
35 - Al Barger
I'm no fan of Stern's myself on several levels.
But how is Gretchen Wilson an "underdog." Is the obscure blogger bullying the big multi-platinum singing star with his criticism?
It's fair enough to consider this "questionable." But on examining the question, there does seem to be a significant legitimate point which his clearly derisive language is serving to illuminate.
Comedy isn't pretty.
36 - Mark Saleski
why would a person listen to Gretchen Wilson...hmmm...because the songs are fun, and i for one don't give a rats as about jumping on a lame "gee, all of this country sucks" bandwagon.
and Wilson like/dislike is completey outside the scope of why post like this don't belong on bc.
37 - Al Barger
I love you brother Saleski, but you're all wrong here. For starters, this post has generated a good thoughtful actual discussion. That right there is pretty good justification.
And why would it NOT belong here? Sorry if you find the tone offensive, but Timmy has a good point under the very rude expression. This isn't THE top insightful BC essay of the year, but it's not bad.
There are a lot of posts that I don't think belong on Blogcritics, mostly things I'd consider trite, dishonest political rants. This comes nowhere close to those negative qualities.
Plus, you're getting yourself so offended that you're not even getting the point when you dismiss this as "gee, all of this country sucks" No, this is not a general rant against country music. These critiques would not apply even to a lot of the sucky country music. Timmy's criticism is specific to THIS singer and her songs and the personnae she has built of them.
38 - uao
I don't think it's cool to be calling women dumb bitches or speculating on the entertainment value of watching men anally violated in music reviews, but my argument is with the second paragraph.
Timmy points out that Gretchen is from Illionois, going so far to point out that it wasn't a Confederate state, as if that means Wilson can't call herself a redneck.
However, the fact that Timmy misses is that she's from Granite City, Illinois, which is just across the river from St.Louis, MO, which I've always thought of as a southern city. Granite Creek is a working class place and very much a Southern town; it ain't Chicago, that's for sure.
So one of his central thesis, that Wilson is somehow a "fake" redneck because she's from Illinois, flies out the window.
As for who her fans are, they can't just be the empowered men-intimidating fat cowgirls Timmy alludes to. Maybe he's intimidated by women in general, which would explain the "bitch" comments.
Blanket generalizations about genders and fans seldom help put a review into greater relief. I would've stuck closer to the music or what she has said or done to incur this wrath.
But saying she's from Illonois isn't going to cut it.
39 - Bennett
I agree with uao and Mark, this doesn't belong here, Al. So far Timmy has done this post and the one that started out "Babies suck ass, it's a scientific fact!" and then goes on a rant about stupid poor people having kids.
It was (like this post) the very definition of ugly vision, negative emotions, and pointless insulting generalizations.
I passed on hacking at him over it, hoping he would do something next that would take the bad taste out of my mouth. Then this.
That we are here arguing over the relative merit of this post, does not make it valid. I would rather that there wasn't this headline out there, forever linked to blogcritics, accessible by a google search on this artist's name.
40 - Mark Saleski
first of all al, i am NOT offended. i'm not easily offended, no matter what the level of purile crap i'm exposed to.
second, it doesn't belong here because it's just plain unprofessional...and ugly.
if you're blind to that, it's not my fault.
also, i was dismissing this post as anything to do with country music. i was referring to your comments about Loretta Lynn & KD Lang.
i was dismissing THIS post as CRAP.
as our friend bob a. booey likes to say,
THAT IS ALL
41 - Triniman
I just saw this post as being satire. I don't take it seriously. If it makes the site look unprofessional, maybe the guidelines should address satire. Gretchen Wilson is a successful country artist and is good at what she does. Although the post is an opinion piece, it can appear to be mean spirited and in bad taste to some. If I had written something similar for my blog, I wouldn't post it here. I could live without posts of this nature on BC,if we want to avoid the controversey.
42 - Temple Stark
timmy didn't defend it as satire, it's not labeled as satire and he thinks poo jokes are the shit.
I'm not saying it makes the site look unprofessional. I'm saying it makes timmy look like a [edited].
43 - Thugs Ma
My best pal Al Barger will surely hold my feet to the fire for this one.
I am known as a hardcore "old country" fan. If this is any indication, when other girls were drooling over David or Shawn Cassidy, I had my ear to the stereo listening to Hank Williams and Jimmie Rodgers (the Singing Brakeman, not the guy of 50's "Honeycomb" fame).
Cripes, I can’t believe I’m spending time defending Gretchen Wilson, but here goes.
What was so wrong with "Redneck Woman"? It had a punchy beat and creative, funny lyrics. It’s a real foot-stomper. It’s a great sing-along tune in the pickup. She’s NOT k.d. lang. She’s NOT Loretta Lynn. She’s not singing about anything “deep” (not that Loretta ever was that deep either). She uses some old country rhythms, themes and beats; she taps into rock. But she is mostly tapping a market out there, and good for her.
The girl is making an effort with some compositions -- which not great have interesting parts -- and she has strong vocal chops. She has heart.
As a woman from my own rural circumstances, I thought “Redneck Woman” was funny; it painted a picture of a way of life; and it showed in no uncertain terms her pride in self.
Here’s a sample:
"Well, I ain't never been the Barbie doll type
No, I can't swig that sweet champagne, I'd rather drink beer all night
In a tavern or in a honky tonk or on a four-wheel drive tailgate
I've got posters on my wall of Skynyrd, Kid and Strait
Some people look down on me, but I don't give a rip
I'll stand barefooted in my own front yard with a baby on my hip
"...Victoria's Secret, well their stuff's real nice
But I can buy the same damn thing on a Wal-Mart shelf half price
And still look sexy, just as sexy as those models on TV
I don't need no designer tag to make my man want me
Well, you might think I'm trashy, a little too hardcore
But in my neck of the woods I'm just the girl next door"
What exactly is wrong with this (except for maybe liking Kid Rock and perhaps drinking too much)? I suppose she could roll in self-loathing, but she doesn’t. On the contrary, she holds herself up and thumbs her nose at the higher society, “YOU might need high-priced lingerie to look good, but I don’t. YOU might be high maintenance, but I’m not.”
I suppose she could go get herself a college education, but she’s speaking out for a few women for whom maybe life didn’t turn out that way. And sorry, but people DO look down on rural, backwoods folks, and she’s just showing some pride.
Now, Gretchen, of course, is packaging this and making it trendy. I assume if gangstas can package drugs, bling and killing people, and Jeff Foxworthy can package the humor of Frigidaires in the front yard, then old Gretch shouldn’t catch as much crap as she has here.
The column writer thinks her music sucks. And as far as the message -- Gretchen Wilson could elevate herself to a different musical theme. She's could be accused of celebrating the underclass. But she’s celebrating the woman who’d rather be running a trotline with her man with a six-pack waiting on shore.
But what's the difference between her and Kanye West, with college-educated background, who raps “street” with liberal amounts of "niggaz" and "fuck" in his songs. The same with Ice Cube " college-educated with college-educated parents -- who acts like he's from the ‘hood. These are definitely EDUCATED people who sing about and promote uneducated lifestyles and word usage.
At least she’s being "real." From what little I've read about Gretchen, she raised herself and worked at a bar (as a bartender and manager) from the age of about 15. If she could bartend, manage a bar, AND deal with the huge number of stupid drunks coming on to her every night (and I imagine she's seen the worst), I see her in HEROIC terms rather than disparaging ones.
If we’re just talking MESSAGE and not music quality, then what’s the problem?
I don't see her any different message-wise than Madonna -- who tried to put a spin on “female sexual empowerment”: It's not just for the men to sleep around without shame, it's OK for women too. Gretchen is just a country version of that. I don’t necessarily agree with GW’s message. But it seems like she's catching a lot of heat for being "trashy," when you could multiple Madonna’s trashiness by 1,000. You can say that Madonna’s music is better (maybe 15 years ago), but I’d rather listen to a cat yowling in the alley than to put up with Madonna.
(Maybe one of these days, when record sales splutter to nil, Gretchen will be sucking tongues with Leann Rimes at the CMAs.)
GW is just a less talented female version of Hank Williams Jr. who pushed redneck b.s. to a whole new level in the 1980s.
So if she's not yet shrugged off her persona, well -- give her time. Trashy isn’t a persona that holds up well to age. As she matures, she’ll get rid of it. The question is whether her music improves. One can hope it does, although it’s certainly not the worst I’ve heard out there.
And P.S.: Slamming Gretchen Wilson because she's not a real redneck is silly. The columnist doesn't know squat about what that means. Redneck culture has little to do with North vs. South geography. It has to do with with rural, economic, cultural and educational status. There are areas in Indiana, New Jersey and New York that are just as redneck backwoods as what you'll find in Alabama.
44 - Thugs Ma
At the risk of being over-serious in the previous comment, I did think the column was funny. I just thought it was too general to be of much use besides generating a chuckle.
Since much of country music -- particularly in the 60s -- was about whoring and boring and boozing with the good, long-suffering wife waiting at home -- I'm just a little quizzical about why GW's catching so much heat.
Country music post Roy Acuff's religious messages of the 1940s never really had "live straight and fly right" themes.
I'm no feminist, but it's amusing to me that it's OK for men to sing these kinds of songs, but once a woman pipes up, she's told to go fry chicken and get daddy a beer. (That WAS funny.)
Of course we can hark back to Tompall Glaser's "Put Another Log on the Fire" (pure hilarity) or Merle Haggard's sniffling over the days when women "could still cook and still would."
45 - Al Barger
Oh My God. The Thug's Ma went out apparently long ago and spent money on a Gretchen Wilson CD. However, her vociferous support for GW causes me to have reconsider things.
For one thing, as a model of a Gretchen Wilson fan, the Thug's Ma is a different kettle of fish from what the author of the article imagines. Cutting to the chase, I'd just suspect that any man who would be stupid enough to try Timmy's tactics from this column would catch Ma's frying pan upside their head.
Nonetheless, I'd suggest that they recover enough to stagger out the door before she gets the shotgun loaded.
Note the difference between her response vs some of the other opposition to this column. Some of our commenters have had very little more to say other than that Timmy was a big misogynist meanie.
Thug's Ma, however, has offered us a considered defense of Gretchen Wilson's honor. Ah, an alternate and more favorable interpretation of her work and personnae. We'll have think on this a little bit.
46 - Timmy
Wow. It's nice to know that at least one person (Thugs Ma) got the "chicken/beer" joke...
If Gretchen Wilson wants to glorify the redneck way-of-life, then she'll be judged by the standards of that way-of-life (i.e. she should be get used to being called a "dumb bitch" and being asked to grab me another beer).
Of course there's a double standard in the country music biz. There always has been, and - unfortunately - I'd bet there always will be. It's not right, but it's the way things are.
Also - I never said anywhere in the post that you had to be from the South to write country. I was simply wondering why someone from Illinois (or anywhere for that matter) would pen songs with titles such as "The South's Gonna Do It Again"? Talk about hate...
Don't take yourselves so damn seriously...
47 - Vern Halen
If nothing else, this makes me NOT want to track down one of her albums to find out what all the fuss is about - I thought she was supposed to be the female Garth Brooks, which didn't interest me either. Next contestant, please.
48 - Matthew T. Sussman
>> Don't take yourselves so damn seriously...
That's not seriousness. That's a lack of laughter. They look the same but are quite different.
49 - Thugs Ma
Oh, Timmy, now you're just teasing with me.
Is there some manual that describes the "redneck way of life", where rule number 22 is "all women must be treated like dumb bitches"? What exactly makes you an expert on the redneck way of life --as if there actually IS such a thing?
I call myself a redneck if I want to offend the uppercrust with their snoots in the air. (My parents would slap me silly if they knew I referred to myself as a redneck. In their minds it's one step above trash.) But "city folk" could easily think of my people as rednecks -- we run coon dogs, shoot squirrels and go frog giggin'. What redneck means -- positive or negative -- is based in who's saying it.
Exactly how do you so completely understand GW's audience? You don't even make them one dimensional! They're more like 1/2 dimensional. (And I ate pork chop gravy last night at supper, so I must be fitting in. Now if only I'd had slurped down that chocolate pudding too!)
There is no such thing as ONE public. GW doesn't have one public, she has numerous publics. Just like there's no such thing as A redneck.
So, you're just jerking my chain because I KNOW you're smarter than this.
In your column, you implied rednecks came from the Confederacy, and that she couldn't be one since she's from Illinois. But that's neither here nor there.
You said that she recorded "The South's Gonna Do It Again". That is a Hank Williams Jr. song. It's a crap song, with cheap sentiments about the South redeeming itself SOMEhow, but it belongs to Junior.
So, because Gretchen is from Illinois, she can't sing this song? What if she has southern relatives, does that make it OK? What if she feels more southern than northern?
Does this mean she can't record "Dixie" either --which was written by a northerner?
You're just messing with me, which is OK. HA-ha! But I think you've cast out your line, just looking to see who bites. Ha-ha.
And if you want to get into a deeper discussion, it's TRUE that men can say things that women can't. If she does, she's sure to be taken down a peg or two. I just roll my eyes.
The force of music is a powerful one. And in the 60s, the songs of whoring men and long-suffering wives were EVERYWHERE. Now, I LOVE those songs. I grew up with them. But I also remember the underlying themes in our lives that these songs encouraged. I remember how it gave men's bad behavior more credence.
So, if Gretchen is using music to rise above her circumstances and give some women a step to think a little better about themselves, then good.
But the picture you have in mind of rural women as fat, trashy pigs is just well... it's WRONG and you know it.
I do have a sense of humor. I know what you're doing.
50 - Timmy
Thugs Ma: Of course I'm making gross generalizations about rednecks, the South, country music, and Wilson. There's nothing humorous in actually representing each of the themes as the complex subjects that they are. But then again, (according to Mr. Sussman) there's nothing humorous about my post either (thank you for setting me straight, sir)...
51 - Thugs Ma
Timmy... Sigh. I suppose I should lighten up. I guess your post did it's intended -- it served as a pretty good lightning rod. It could be said I took it all a bit too seriously.
I say I have a sense of humor. But maybe it's not as well honed as it should be. Sometimes it's easy for me to get a burr up my tail.
Keep writin'... Thanks for acknowledging that I at least got the humor of the chicken/beer theme.
Sigh...
52 - Al Barger
OK, I repent. Perhaps I was unfair to God blessed Gretchen Wilson. I'm probably holding some of her fan base against her, and thus projecting the sins of some idiots onto her.
Plus, if Gretchen Wilson means enough to the Thug's Ma to spend money on, I'll have to give it a listen.
Of course, in return I'll be sharing a personal fave to bond over next time I'm down. How much do you know about Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band?
53 - carlito
Punch her in the nuts Timmy! Better yet, in the ovaries.
54 - Thugs Ma
Oh good Lord, Albert! I didn't say go spend MONEY on her. (You'll be extremely disappointed. Listen to her -- if you must -- when you come to my house and we take the Thug to Mama and Papa's) I just said that the attacks were too generalist in the name of humor to mean anything.
In fact, when Timmy admitted that everything he said was generalist, it shoots the column in the foot. It would be really funny if what he said was really TRUE. (Good try though, Timmy.)
I just came at it from a different viewpoint.
55 - Brandi
I think your an [edited. play nice now]...Plain and simple I'm a beatiful skinny white girl who happens to love her music and am glad that money hasn;t changed her or her clothes. I appreciate her keeping it real for the middle class americans we're not all made of money and if her music makes people feel good. I'm glad, I think she would really care less what all you selfish people think anyway, she's rich now. and thats because people love her music I believe that the records charts say it.. so go p*** off somewhere because you ain't making the kind of money she is your just jealous..
56 - Mark Edward Manning
"trying to convince themselves that the only reason that they can't get boyfriends is because men are too intimidated by their empowered-redneck-woman status to approach them ... and drown their loneliness in a sea of chocolate pudding and gravy."
LOL! I love that. Politically incorrect, but a lot of PI statements are bold - and true.
57 - PC
"Personal attacks are not allowed. Please read our comment policy."
Now that's funny.
58 - Alienboy
We're doing our best as volunteers, PC. You are welcome to point out anything that you'd like me to take a look at. There's a fine line to be walked as you can imagine.
COMMENTS EDITOR
59 - Big 'Un
Do it matter where you grow up to become a redneck
woman, its just not a southren thing ya'll. My Mom
grew up in eastren mountians of Kentucky and is as
much of a redneck woman as ya' could get (minus the tobacco chewin and bar fightin', though she's
been in a cat fight or two). She is 5' 11" and was
in at 130 pounds and still looks hot for someone at 62, how many redneck/hilbiily women can say that. She ain't past downing a beer, wearing a tube top and denim shorty shorts for a sunbathin' out fit, driving her 4X4, and hangin' clothes on the line, and goin' barefoot any time she wants.
So if Ms. Wilson wants to sing and or be a redneck
woman, then let her pour it to it.
60 - Charlie
someone said that Granite City is a southern town. that makes me laugh so hard i could pee. all my life, I have lived in Highland, Illinois, which is about 10 minutes from both granite city and Pocahantas. I can assure you they are NOT "southern towns." Granite is a large, trashy ghetto that smells a bit like melted rubber because of that awful steel mill. everyone in this area laughs at Gretchen Wilson because she is such a country poser. Illinois is not southern, nor is it St. Louis for that matter. I know what the south is like, I have several relatives there. she just pretends to be an authentic country redneck because, like any other music community, country fans care more about the image of the singer than the quality of their music.
61 - bubba
You are correct. Please in the future add that wannabe rich white kid from the suburb of Detroit to the list. To borrow an idea from Alan Jackson..."they've gone redneck...look at them boots." I am a real redneck. I have skinned bucks, plowed fields all day long etc, etc. Kid Rock is northern white trash...by choice not upbringing...he is not and never will be a southern redneck
62 - Lisa
ok, dood..
Im a rocker in my own band, im touring atm and i listen to Gretchen's music. i think she has real knowledge in what she sings and she still remembers where she came from so i really respect her for everything she does, says, sings and does!
Calling a chick a bitch? who cares, its not an offensive thing anymore.. so drop it. and the whole things at the begining with the dentist n stuff.. WTF??? grow brains and if u dont like her, dont listen to her.. thats all i can say, to every one else.. peace out and take care..
Lisa- Drummer ~O~
Rock on!
Grethen rox!
63 - askeen07
you guys are pathetic.. gretchen wilson is the greatest.. she is real.. not fake like a bunch of other wanna be country singers.. she is my favorite and i stand for whatever she says. she is my idol and love her.
64 - tats n' tots
You guys are all really badly messed up! no matter what her music or or background is, she has a record deal.. do you? i have read EVERY comment on here and not one has anyhting decent. every person who has commented on this site could be charged with something different.
since when do males want to punch women in the 'ovaries'? yeah thats right, women arn't allowed to do anything but cook, clean, fuck n suck any more! you guys all deserve to be ass raped and cracked in the fucking head.
it doesnt matter if you like her music or not, it doesnt matter if your just pissed that she has a man and you cant fuck her hot ass! the point is, she's a woman, and as a woman you should respect that. no wonder your all single.
your all gonna get what u have coming, so shut the fuck up and leave this chick alone! go back into the kitchen and blow your dog!
65 - Jon
I don't know who in the hell you are, but that was beautiful. I found the fat cowgirl part especially amusing because it is so true.
66 - kdh
that is the most stupid bullshit i have ever heard of in my whole fuckin redneck white trash life..yea im a fuckin redneck i dip i chew TABACCO and proud of it so you can take your bullshit and shove it up your ass
67 - Elizabeth
I think this whole post is retarded. "Timmy" must still be single. I dont see why any woman would put up with this shit. She's a GREAT artist. You're just jealous cause she can do all the shit you never even dreamed of doing. Not all women belong in the kitchen, sorry to burst your bubble! You'd be surprised at how many women can go out there and get their hands dirty, like workin on cars, workin livestock, buildin barns and houses, etc. I feel sorry for the guy who tells someone like Gretchen Wilson that her place is in the kitchen... This whole page should be completely deleted!