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More Evidence to Indicate Whole Body Vibration to be Ineffective

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Researchers from the Institute of Sport and Recreation Research, Faculty of Health and Environmental Science and Auckland University of Technology in New Zealand conducted a review of existing research and their findings are published in the March 2009 (Volume 23, Number 2) edition of the National Strength and Conditioning Association’s Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research.

In an earlier article I discussed the researchers’ conclusion that WBV does not enhance speed. However, in a paper titled “Vibration Training: Could it Enhance the Strength, Power or Speed of Athletes?” the researchers found a lack of reliable evidence to support the use of WBV in other areas, as well.

Online access to the journal is provided for NSCA members only.

A common claims made in sales materials and web sites is that WBV training has a positive impact on hormonal levels, specifically that testosterone and human growth hormone (HGH) levels are raised as a result of standing on these vibrating platforms. The authors of this review discuss the results of three studies that have been done to determine the effect WBV has on the endocrine system.

A study conducted by Kvorning et al (“Effects of Vibration and Resistance Training on Neuromuscular and Hormonal Measures”, 2006) combined exercise with vibration to determine if WBV had a positive effect on the endocrine system. Twenty-eight untrained subjects were split into three groups: vibration-only, vibration and body weight squats, and body weight squats only. Testosterone levels increased similarly for the vibration/squat group and the squat-only group and there was no increase seen in the vibration-only group.

These findings are in line with two other studies. DiLoreto et al (“Effects of Whole Body Vibration Exercise on the Endocrine System of Healthy Men,” 2004) saw no increase in testosterone or HGH levels in 10 men who stood on a WBV platform for 25 minutes and Bosco (“Hormonal Responses to Whole Body Vibration in Men,” 2000) observed an increased in HGH and smaller increase in testosterone for subjects who squatted on a vibrating platform.

The findings of these researchers in this review of current and reliable studies stand in stark contrast to the claims made by companies marketing WBV platforms.

With regard to improving an athlete’s strength the authors of this review analyzed five studies; three studies observed strength benefits and two studies found no benefits. The authors of this review found a variety of study design inconsistencies that call into question the positive results.

The first study looked at sprinters; one group engaged in their regular training and performed dynamic exercises on a WBV platform while the control group just performed regular sprint training. The authors of this review wrote, “It could be expected that the WBV group would have a small strength gain compared with the control group purely because of the extra 27-53 minutes of training that this group performed each week.” Since the control group did not perform any strength training exercises the design of the study virtually guaranteed the WBV group would show an improvement in strength.

The authors also point out the obvious problem with the method of strength measurement used in this study. “Transferability of WBV training to the testing protocol in this study is questionable because they comprised different movements.” The sprinters performed squat exercises and were tested with leg-extension exercises.

The authors of the review had problems with the other studies in this group as well, writing that the validity of strength measures was questionable due to the method used to measure strength. In another study there was “no overall significant benefit (a trivial 1% decrement) to maximal squat strength after 6 weeks of vibration training compared to non-vibration group.”

The authors conclude the section on strength training and WBV by writing, “Only when further well-designed studies are conducted will we be able to make any conclusive statement about the potential efficacy of vibration training in enhancing strength of trained athletes.” The words of these scientific experts – again – stand in opposition to the hype offered up by WBV proponents.

In addition to pointing out the problems with the methodology used in WBV studies and concluding that WBV does not improve speed, the authors of this review found that WBV training does not cause any increase in the recruitment of motor units and has no positive effect on human growth hormone and testosterone levels. The best that the researchers can say is that WBV may provide athletes with "variety." So while WBV may do something, that something isn't scientifically verifiable.

The WBVers can debate about amplitude and frequency requirements needed to produce results, but WBV has not been shown to provide a fraction of the benefits promised by those who sell the platforms, regardless of the protocols used. Vibration platforms are expensive, inconvenient to use, and offer dubious benefits. In this day and age, when everyone is on a budget and people's time is valuable, keep in mind the findings of these scientific experts when considering purchasing or even using a WBV platform.

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    “The WBVers can debate about amplitude and frequency requirements needed to produce results, but WBV has not been shown to provide a fraction of the benefits promised by those who sell the platforms, regardless of the protocols used.” ……

    In any situation dealing with vibration, amplitude and frequency would play a HUGE role in the difference of effects.

    Think in terms of water; waves with higher amplitudes and and higher frequency will clearly effect an island more than waves with lower amplitudes. You don’t have to use vibrations to be able to figure that out. No offense, but this seems like a rather biased article.

  • she

    Wake up!
    body Vibration machines are around and tested on the other side of our planet for the last 50 years.
    Just because North America is 40 years behind makes results others had many years ago already less qualified. North America is not the centre of the world 🙂
    So if you don’t believe in it just don’t use it but don’t try to BS others.

  • Jim

    amusing how Lloyd Shaw from vibra train insults anyone who hides being another id yet uses a new name above ANOMO..as usual di heap, mike hair come to the party

  • Dear Author,

    Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.” — Buddha

  • jacqueline

    Wow, as a trainer who has worked in rehab and sports performance programmes for many years It is quite concerning when so called professionals such as yourself put down proven fitness modems which have and are being used in Olympic and professional sports for several years now. I was first introduced to the machine by a PGA sports trainer who also worked in the UK with Man United and at the National Academy of Sports Medicine. I guess you know more these people?? why would world renowned athletes’ and sports performance trainers use such a device if it was not effective, and put their name and reputation to a devise that they do not have any financial gain, get your facts straight before you send the wrong message a deny others the opportunity too improve their health

  • BobO

    An age old problem isn’t it? Some won’t believe without proof, acceptable proof isn’t forthcoming due to factors x y and z, and some believe due to personal (yet anecdotal) experience.

    I chuckled to myself at those who insisted that low carb diets didn’t work…while I easily lost 75 pounds doing so. There is no proof they claimed, and none was forthcoming, while I had all the proof I required.

    And it was funny to watch in the years following, how low carb dieting went from a crazy fad diet that couldn’t possibly work, to a mainstream, well accepted way of eating. Admittedly, much of what was originally pushed was revised and tuned into something very different. But much of the essence of what Dr. Atkins taught years ago remains the foundation of a number of successful and well regarded diets today.

    While it is impossible to say for sure, I believe that WBV will undergo (and already is, I suspect) a subtle transformation that is not unlike low carb dieting and other similar out-of-the-mainstream items. The good and true will be sorted from the over-hyped and false, and in the end the essence of the truth as known by those with personal experience will live on and be integrated into the body of knowledge that is fitness as we know it.

    While I confess to a certain bias for the new and untested, I am after all the president of a technology company that exists by creating and selling the impossible and implausible, I really don’t have a dog in this fight. But because I have such a bias, and because I am blessed to have the financial resources, I recently purchased a training grade lineal machine.

    My experiences do not constitute proof to anyone, and certainly not to those who carry a doubtful predisposition. They do however, provide me all of the proof that I require to offer an educated opinion.

    Educated? How? Well, I have never been a personal trainer, nor have I ever been a researcher, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express recently. I was in the US Army, played sports throughout high school, and remain active today…meaning…I am well familiar with a good workout and know when I am getting one.

    From what I have observed about my WBV machine, in the 2 weeks I have worked with it, is that low frequency or low intensity does not activate the stretch reflex, nor does it produce anything that seems remotely stressful to your muscles. On the other hand, at frequencies above 33-35hz with sufficient amplitude, the stretch reflex can be felt distinctly, and holding the workout poses for 1 minute will kick your tail. The last 20 seconds of a pose offers as fine a burn as I have ever experienced.

    At the end of a workout of 8 or 9 poses at high amplitude and 43hz, I am completely spent, sweating profusely, and my pulse at 130-140bpm. For several hours following, I am as worn out as I ever was lifting weights. In fact, it feels exactly as it does when I lift weights. Curious.

    So is it a workout? You bet. After the first workout I didn’t recover my strength for 2 days. As with weightlifting, subsequent workouts have been just as intense, but the recovery period is much quicker.

    Those who require proof will not be satisfied by my, or anyone’s, experiences. Meanwhile I will continue to use my machine every other day and enjoy the changes in my body…which are already apparent in just two weeks. But while a certain skepticism is healthy and beneficial to the system, be careful that you don’t cling to your lack of belief too long, while the more open-minded advance the science.

    The absence of documented proof doesn’t necessarily mean the absence of evidence, nor does it constitute proof to the contrary. As proof oriented as we are in the west, the vast majority of western medicine was arrived at empirically…it was not proven in studies, or was proven after it was known to be effective. And increasingly, studies pro and con, tend to be driven by a predetermined bias.

    Sadly, it seems that these days empirical evidence is the only useful measurement. So I think I’ll go spend some time on my unproven, yet empirically effective, WBV machine.


  • European Assn for the study of Obesity has released a press report about a new study showing amazing results in weightloss for obese people who vibration-train.

    Article linked here

  • Having been a Moderator for another site I understand both sides of comments control versus freedom of speech.

    Reading comments and then seeing them deleted I’ve noticed that comments seriously opposing the article content get removed. Fair enough if the comments are abusive but comments that simply challenge or quote previous statements by the article writer have been deleted (unfairly in my opinion). Some of my comments have been deleted when they agree with a previous comment, which leaves a continuity but removes the whole dissension. Please allow commenters to disagree with points in the articles and please encourage blogcritics writers to read comments and reply. Thanks

  • Anomo,

    The comment you refer to was deleted because it was a personal attack.

    For the 20 billionth time, Sal is a writer for Blogcritics, not an editor, and has no say in what comments are edited or deleted. The comments editors themselves (of whom I am one) do not give a flying fuck about whether vibration training works or not, and are not inclined to put up with any more of your paranoid whining.

  • I’m wondering how Sal will explain away the latest study; done over a whole year, with the vibratiion training group showing the best results in weightloss and more, very much ahead of even the Personal Trainer led group. Can’t say it’s anecdotal but I guess there’ll be some way to say it’s flawed. How can Sal back down now from saying “It can never work” to even acknowledging huge weightloss and visceral fat reduction as shown in the latest controlled study.Time to try real machine, guys.

  • I LOVE being able to think for myself.

  • Wayne Campbell

    Brian, you sounded very excited in your last post, perhaps you should get your blood pressure checked, or better still try a WBV session on a quality machine. It can be calming and stimutlating at the same time.

  • Wayne Campbell

    Sal, the above study shows that despite your opinions, WBV can benefit peoples health by shedding body fat. In this study the participents that used WBV shed more body fat than those doing convetional excercise including aerobic and weights. What was even more telling was that the WBV group lost more weight even without doing any aerobic excercise.

    Why will you not give a balanced view instead of the misleading and biased “opinions” that you offer? You are very selctive in the information you share. What is your agenda?

  • Good point Mike.

    I would say it is a FACT that Sal and friends can not understand how vibration training works. They have been very vocal on the subject to the extent of calling other people names, swearing and outright abuse if anyone’s else claims they can.

    But they block anyone’s else’s attempt to consider the obvious consequences to their own intellectual reputation if they are proven wrong?

    Don’t worry “It will all come out in the wash” as my mother used to say.

  • Mike Hair

    Well Sal time to defend yourself, that study is pretty conclusive. Even on an underpowered machine like powerplate, imagine the results if they tested a real machine…..Like Lloyd Shaws!! [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor] Please inlighten us with your veiws on the study above.


  • Sal, the article linked in the above post includes the comment:
    “People say vibration machines are fitness for lazy people. It may feel like a short cut, but if it’s easy, you are not doing it properly,” Vissers added. “Supervision in the beginning is imperative and the longer the better. What we see in gyms very often – people just standing on the machine holding the handles – is not going to do anything.”

    I’m interested in your comment on this and also, especially, on the fact that one of the control groups did a considerable amount of supervised conventional exercise yet the vibration group lost the highest percentage of weight.

  • I will add again.

    It took me 3 seconds to understand this technology. 3 years later and SAL still can not figure it out.

    You do the maths readers.

  • SAL and friends, read this study carefully, have a little cry and then get back to us with your ideas on how this could happen. Maybe its magic???

    Of course you will all spend considerable time trying to find holes in the study but I would say this is the beginning of the end of your ITS USELESS and WHY DON’T THEY JUST DO NORMAL EXERCISE AND DIET ramblings. It seemed to do better than ALL your suggestions put together. And it was done only a medium level product that is a few years old.

    The EASO is a serious organization formed in 1986 to help fight the coming obesity crisis. They do not get behind rubbish studies. So if you want to call them hucksters be my guest [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor].

  • Any form of exercise should help you with that. The only argument here is some say it’s a form of exercise, SAL et.al says it isn’t.

    You do not have to BELIEVE anything, why don’t you do what SAL and his friends can’t be bothered doing and go try it for yourself, it should be free. Experience outweighs belief anytime.

  • john

    i am trying so much to beleve in this wbv all this puts me off can anyone tell me the truth will wbv help me acheve a better state of welbeing and lift depresion tell me the truth.

  • “It could be expected that the WBV group would have a small strength gain compared with the control group purely because of the extra 27-53 minutes of training that this group performed each week.” Since the control group did not perform any strength training exercises the design of the study virtually guaranteed the WBV group would show an improvement in strength.”

    That makes no sense, as Sal has stated un-categorically in the past that this type of training is completely USELESS. So if that was true wouldn’t they have seen ZERO effects no matter how much it was being used. Especially the 3-7 minute sessions a day they were doing.

    Even if you discount the control group the vibration training group still got an increase just by adding this to their regular training.

    But the author is right about the illogical testing parameters. Why give leg extensions to a group doing squats all week ? No wonder these academic pen pushers waste everyone’s time by testing crappy machines.

    But here is a good point, why does SAL continue to say this science has no future because of the mixed tests results, rather than say the mixed tests results are a results of random machines, being used in random studies by random minded individuals who are clueless to what they are doing and hence giving the science no base to have a future.

    When I see a study where the research team has gone out of their way to get the BEST units for whatever effect they are looking for, instead of just something that vibrates. Then follow some methods and comparisons we can clearly understand, I too will stop being frustrated.

    I wont even mind saying I am wrong if that happens and it comes up negative.

  • Your Wright Brothers comment is the crack up. The Wright Brothers were the ones that finally got it right. Man had been trying forever to do it.

    [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]

  • Brian.
    Good machines have only been around a few short years, engineering issues stopped then from being built till then. And what don’t you understand about how long it takes to satisfy academia. 50 positive reports done to a high standard, not some of the crap we have seen to date, over the wide ranging things vibration effect would not be enough. It will take time and hundreds of reports done by real academics on real machines.

    But that does not discount peoples experiences now. If you and Sal lack experience, go look in the mirror for someone to blame. And sorry I do not believe you are so important or busy to not have 10 mins to try this out. Because once would be enough.

    Remember I had to explain to you earlier in another argument about basic exercise and having to FEEL fatigue to comprehend it, no matter how many reports you read.

    I had to point that most logical conclusions out to you. LOL

    So I think you are in no position to judge anyone’s IQ or work ethic.

  • Wayne Campbell

    Brian, your comments have no credibility or substance. You only believe Sals flawed and misleading opinion pieces and this is what you base you comments on.

  • Brian aka Guppusmaximus

    You guys crack me up! I’m starting to see a trend with your responses. If at first the confusing jargon doesn’t work then go for the guilt trip…HA!

    You make it sound like these companies are pioneering something but they’ve had 15-20 years to prove the benefits. It didn’t take the Wright Brothers that long to prove that flying was possible.
    Unfortunately, for you folks, Seeing is Believing.

    So, give me a break with this anti-technology/humanitarian propaganda -Fucking Bullshit! I’m not against advancements in technology but they have to work and, so far, your WBV training sounds no more than an over exaggerated supplement! With your whacked-out mentality, maybe, I should try all those diet pills too..Right?! I could be missing out on the Good Life. ROTFLMAO!

  • This reminds me of the flat earth agrument.

    The Vibe Tribe.
    Our calculations, our eyesight, due to seeing the curve in the earth, and our logic say the Earth is round.

    The Sceptic Sals.
    I will believe the earth is round if you sail all the way around it and live, while I sit on my behind and watch. If you are right I will not burn you at the stake.

  • And who is going to prove those results over a period of time Brian so you feel satisfied it is not a waste of your time?

    The same type of people responsible for moving any technology forward, that’s who, not you. They say only about 1% of the population are industrious enough think for themselves and willing to fight the other 99% to drag them forward. It has always been like this and it always will be.

    This is no different, people dedicated to finding new ways to improve health will fix any issues that are stopping vibration training reaching its potential, and prove their theories over time to the masses. Just like ALL science. And you get to sit back and say “hey I tried to stop then from doing that” I think that puts you smack dab in the 99%. But it is Ok because you can’t stop progress. But good luck to your little group trying.

  • Nor, am I going to waste my valuable time doing something that has no proven results!

    This epitomises the attitude I see in some who comment here. Not only will you not use something unless it has scientifically proven results, you wont even try it once!

    If you apply the same principle to the rest of your life you will be missing many exciting times.

  • Brian aka Guppusmaximus

    I would say it will be about 15 years before any scientific consensus is settled upon.
    That does not make her wrong.

    No, that makes it a theory,but, you guys constantly make claims that WBV is fact & the only way you can achieve proper results is by using an expensive “pro” model. I just don’t buy your argument & I won’t till I read some positive scientific evidence. Nor, am I going to waste my valuable time doing something that has no proven results!

  • Brian.
    The kind of machines Di Heap uses have only been around for a short time. The older less useful units have been around since the 90s.
    I have tried both and they are NOT comparable. It is like comparing picking up a 5kg weight to a 50kg weight.

    So it would be obvious to anyone who understands the way academic tests are done there is going to be a lag in proven tests.

    I would say it will be about 15 years before any scientific consensus is settled upon.
    That does not make her wrong.

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  • [Entire comment deleted. I am not willing to see any more challenging or questioning of people’s motivation or thinking. You can make your points about your own opinions and rebut those of others. Comments Editor]

  • Also Sal, will you please be polite enough to reply (just as we have replied when you have asked questions)

    Have you had information for three years, sent by Lloyd Shaw, evidence of failed studies, failed PowerPlate machine test results and more.

  • Sal, It’s been almost 3 years since your first article against Vibration Training and Machines. How can the public continue to trust your opinion when you blatently refuse to trial a High Energy Training Machine, one suited to your strength and abilities.

    What have you got to lose? Unless, maybe you are scared that it might be real exercise, that it might actually feel like hard-out training!

  • Wayne Campbell

    We run a studio with top of the range workout machines. Not the cheap “therapy” units that were used in the study referred to by Sal above.

    Our studio has been going for 4 years.

    We have many clients that have been training with us since we first opened. Of course we have many more that come and go, such is the nature of the health and fitness industry. Many that do go eventually come back.

    We have some elite athletes such as cage fighters, rugby players, Olympic athletes training with us, however the vast majority are people who for whatever reason be it physical or whatever cant or wont train at gyms or do other forms of exercise.

    These people are looking for ways to improve their health and or feel better about themselves.

    We see people lose weight, tone and strengthen, we get feedback from people who have had increases in bone density, pain relief from arthritis and more. These people attribute these outcomes to vibration training. They CHOSE to come back and train. At the end of the day – their outcomes are the most important thing to them – regardless of science.

    As they say – “the proof is in the pudding”

  • Brian, you’re right. Scientific Studies have in the most part failed to produce positive results. Because:

    1.Their approach – without talking to those who design the machines and instruct people daily in their use the researchers make up their own positions and times then say, Well that didn’t work as expected. They even print up minor results, as noted in the article, as success when it’s just a taste of the possibilities. Researchers have often never seen a machine before and don’t know what to do with it. These are powerful machines with very definite specs and exacting program positions – at least the High Energy ones are.

    2.Researchers are often students working under a supervisor. They have little funds to use for their project so they gratefully accept anything given. They’ve tended to be given lower quality machines so results are poor. You already know that in any fitness program that using the correct equipment and correct technique is essential to give good results.

    3. Program/positions MUST be matched to the type of machine being used.

    A quick lesson in machine types. For simplicity I’ll say there’s two major ways machines work – one type produces Lineal (upright) vibration, the other is pivotal (see-saw). Different frequencies, different amplitudes MUST be used for each type. Add in variances such as the purpose of the brand or machine and you have – High Energy machines for Training purposes through to Low Energy machines, some of which are great for Rehab/Therapy as they gently provide the need to rebalance while doing other exercise (like the soloflex machine Sal used). There’s also the gentle controlled see-saw effect that helps with walking ability and relieves lower back pain (rehab for elderly and others). Then there’s “as seen on TV” machines. Most are cheaply made plastic copies where the vibration is so uncontrolled it goes up/down/left/right = waste of money etc. Some Researchers have even used these machines – which is incredulous and, as you have already been told, those who care about the public have done all they can to expose this and stop it recurring.

    How much proof do you want? Did you read my article on Teneka Hyndman, a highly qualified personal trainer, who added Vibration Training to her regime and won major Body Building comps. Do you want to know about the middle-aged, strong but flabby lady who came into the studio here 4 weeks ago and has really pushed herself hard, coming in three times a week. She’s looking great, alreadyvlosing the flab, toning up, losing weight. No Scientific proof is needed – she can see the results!

    The academic community will provide the proofs you need – eventually – until then we’ll keep on helping people improve their fitness with results they can see.

  • Brian aka Guppusmaximus

    I always find it interesting when people don’t have any facts to prove their stance that they then resort to personal attacks & insults. Really, it just shows their ignorance.

    Sal presented an article with scientific findings about the ineffectiveness of WBV training and I found it to be very informative. I realize now why people in the BC community like Di Heap haven’t done as much because they have no scientific findings to back up their claims.

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  • [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor. Any more along these lines and you will leave me no alternative but to get out the mighty Banning Hammer, which I hate doing. Comments Editor]

  • Sal,

    Wow, another nice try but you must have run out of negative things to say as this article says nothing that those in the industry didn’t already know – the New Zealand studies failed – they were doomed to failure because the machines used were low energy therapy devices NOT Training machines.

    BUT Sal, you already knew this. You knew of these studies and others 2 1/2 years ago. I remember Lloyd Shaw showing me emails you sent thanking him for sending you emailed documents and I know he also posted you an envelope with copies of court documents about PowerPlate and more.

    If you really believe that ALL Vibration Training, Therapy, and Vibration Machines “cannot possibly work” as you’ve said before, then why wait till now to write up this article? You were sent so much proof of failed studies that you could have presented much earlier. Why keep it from the public?

    Sal, you know that all Vibration Machines are NOT the same!

    Those of us who work in this Industry have been called dishonest. Lloyd Shaw, as the major spokesperson for the Industry, has been called a snake-oil salesman and worse. Yet Sal, you still refuse to trial a High Energy Lineal Platform, to experience first hand, IF quality vibration machines could, maybe, produce a training effect. You’re still hiding behind your trial of a “$20 little vibrating motor stuck to the underside of a stepper”. That’s not a real machine!

    Surely that’s dishonesty.

  • mike hair

    Hi Sal,

    Can you please answer for me this question…

    if you bought a pair of expensive running shoes that were fitted to you for the purpose of running and then you bought a cheap pair from an importer to compare, as an athelete would you expect the same or different results? my asumption would be the results would differ. All machinery is not equal and people who have tried a descent vibration training unit have seen the results.

    It is no different whether it be a car or gym equipment.
    Although we do not condone people pushing them as a one stop shop for everything, dodgy marketers continue to do so.

    My objective is not to prove that vibration training works, i already know it does, (providing you have the right equipment), it is to ask you why you have not printed the whole story…..

    It seems the stuff you write about was already pointed out to you a few years ago by Lloyd Shaw who is also against dodgy marketers and researchers who use cheap imitation machines that rip off the public and are not true training devices.

    Sal, you asked for evidence and Lloyd Shaw sent you an entire envelope of everything he had at the time , including failed engineering tests from Power Plate and court documents to back up his concerns.

    [Personal contact info deleted]

  • Brian.
    When Sal starts to tell the whole story and inform us of everything he knows it may pacify us and prove he has an honest agenda.
    But while he continues to keep things from people and refuses to answer question, he remains a problem for people seeking the truth. Open and honest is the only way.

    Allot of the people who comment on here you give a hard time have attacked WBV companies for false advertising.

    How do you reconcile that?

  • Phillip the answer is No!

    With uneducated and inexperienced people writing this stuff, including the researchers who conducted the tests it will not stop those who can tell a good machine apart from a useless one from moving forward. Just like any piece of machinery they are all different.

    Look at this. Lets guess which machines were gifted to be studied ?

    You will find that the above failures have been predicted and concerns already voiced by industry leaders. SAL was contacted by one personally years ago but he hides this from the reader, why is that?

    Your opinion piece only proves to back up there are people out there YEARS ahead of you in your concerns, that they did NOT want it kept a secret from the consumer and you can already go online and read plenty about it. You seem to be just following behind them trying to prove then right, hence looking relevant.


  • Brian aka Guppusmaximus

    Great Article…

    Yea, and I don’t think it’s going to pacify the proponents that comment here either.

  • Somehow I don’t think this is going to slow down the claims. 🙁