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In my last post, I expressed a great deal of anger over the fact that partisans were politicizing the horrible tragedy which has been unfolding in New Orleans. As a matter of fact, I accused them of being worse than the looters themselves.

First of all, I stand by what I said. Those who are using this tragedy to score political points against the President are scum.

Secondly, it turns out that the Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of LA ordered the mandatory evacuation only after receiving a special request from someone the radical left loves to hate, President Bush!

Here is the AP story which detailed the event:

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.

Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.

The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding. [emphasis mine]

Okay, lets recap…

First, the President declared that whole area a disaster area before Katrina hit so that FEMA could move into the area and prepare for recovery efforts. Which they did.

Then, the President called to issue a personal appeal to the Mayor and Governor, asking them to order a mandatory evacuation, a major step, to get everyone out before the storm hit.

So, why hasn’t anyone in the MSM talked about this?

We already know the answer to that, don’t we? Liberals in the MSM are not interested in helping the President. As I’ve already discussed, their goal is quite the opposite, which is why this AP report remained conveniently buried.

Shocker!

*Hat tip to Power Line Blog.

David Flanagan
Viewpointjournal.com

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  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    No, wait! You don’t understand!

    Katrina was solely due to Global Warming! And Bush is solely at fault for Global Warming!

    Bush sentenced all those poor black people to death in order to enrich his wealthy white oil baron friends!

    BUSH IS HITLER!!!

  • http://www.thebmrant.com Matt

    Bush isn’t responsible for the Hurricane. But he is responsible for having his thumb up his ass, or in his mouth since Monday. The federal government’s response was probably better for the tsunami than it was for this. Its just another example of how ill-prepared this president is to handle crisis. He sucks at it.

    When was the first food brought in? Today, right?

    I wonder how quickly it would have happened if it had happened in Corpus Christi.

    Pathetic.

  • patriot

    The tragic disaster in New Orleans was predicted to happen.

    The only variable was when it would happen.

    The problem is that this pending disaster had no national priority.

  • http://sussfr.blogspot.com Matthew T. Sussman

    Point is, an evacuation was made. I don’t care if Cindy Sheehan or Pat Robertson requested it. It needed to be done.

  • http://viewpointjournal.com David Flanagan

    Matthew,

    The point is, scummy partisans are trying to score political points against the President when real people are suffering and dying! And in the end, when you look at what happened, the President did everything he could to help.

    First of all, he declared that whole area a disaster area before Katrina hit so that FEMA could be activated and move into the area, which they did. Then, he called the Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of LA and asked them to order a MANDATORY evacuation resulting in the removal of 80% of the city on short notice.

    What has happened has been horrible, made worse by what seems to me to be a tragically slow response from authorities. Our priorities are in front of us, rescuse everyone we can and bury our dead. Until then, lets can the political BS and lend help to those who so desperately need it.

    David

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Bush also managed to get federal troops into the area on Thursday, apparently in violation of posse comitatus, which I imagine took some doing.

    Dave

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    BTW, did anyone else see Jesse Jackson on CNN spouting on and on about how this was a racist attack on black people in NO?

    Dave

  • http://sussfr.blogspot.com Matthew T. Sussman

    Well now, this could work against him.

    So he issued the evacuation, and the evacuation didn’t really work.

    Just another thing to blame him for.

    I’m such a devil’s advocate.

  • http://viewpointjournal.com David Flanagan

    Matthew,

    Sorry, but you are not a great devil’s advocate. The evacuation was not up to the President, that was the responsibility of local authorities, and they managed to get 80% of the population out.

    How much worse would this whole thing be if, say, only 20% left the city before Katrina hit?

    And to Dave’s point, normally a President must wait for the Governor of a state to request federal aid before federal troops can be ordered into an area. President Bush pushed the envelope on that a bit, which is to his credit, but the last thing liberals want is to give him credit.

    And that is the point of my post.

    David

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Last I checked, Mr. Flanagan, the Associated Press is about as mainstream media as one can get.

    Score political points against Shrubbie? I think people are stating their opinions and venting their frustrations, which is their right.

    And while I think some of the blame can and must be placed at Dubya & Co.’s feet, trust me, there is plenty more to go around (NO’s mayor, LA’s governor, etc.).

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Fast-forward a couple weeks/months:

    National Democrats are openly saying that Bush has the blood of African-Americans in New Orleans on his hands.

    Hillary is demonizing Bush for his “weak, ineffectual” response to the tragedy.

    All sorts of Leftists call for a pullout of forces from Iraq so that we can “better focus on priorities in the Homeland”…

    Senate Democrats demand that Bush’s tax cuts be repealed in order to pay for the rebuilding of New Orleans.

    Yep. Should be a unifying, non-partisan, healing time for us all…

  • http://sussfr.blogspot.com Matthew T. Sussman

    Wait, now I’m even more confused.

    He ordered more national guardsmen to the disaster scene. Golf clap.

    But if he didn’t issue it, then there really is no story there. Basically he called up the governor and said “Yeah I’m for this evacuation?” And the local officials carried out the logistics, bullhorns and sirens.

    So I guess the pressing question is “Would the evacuation have happened had President Bush not phoned Louisiana?”

    Probably.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    I remember BJ Clinton smashing Bush-41 over the head with the President’s relatively tepid response to Hurricane Andrew back in 1992, an election year.

    Now, these two join hands for disaster relief.

    The point is, finger-pointing doesn’t get anything accomplished. Donations and elbow-grease get it done.

    Everything else is just partisan bullshit.

  • patriot

    Should have known it would come…

    The hurricane was a storm of biblical proportions, the most destructive natural disaster in modern history of the area. There were torrential rains and by the time it was over, the hurricane had caused extensive damage. In the section hardest hit, one of the poorest was hit hardest. Some three weeks later, forensic teams will be still searching for bodies buried in the rubble.

    The death toll has climbed beyond 6,000, while an even greater number is still missing.

    Drinking water is scarce because the sewage and water systems were cut and badly damaged. It may be years before they’re rebuilt. Meanwhile, the economy is virtually paralyzed because bridges and much of the highway system were wiped out and will have to be rebuilt.

    Beyond the highways, the bridges and the infrastructure that’s been destroyed, fully one-fifth of the population — remain homeless. Many of them are still stranded, dependent on helicopters — and the mercy of relief agencies — for their food and water. Others live in makeshift tents along highways near their homes, which are still too damp and caked with mud to re-inhabit.

    It’s estimated that the state will need to rebuild upwards of 200,000 houses, and that much of the money will have to come from lending institutions like the Inter-American Development in Washington.

    One bank president says he’s never seen a natural disaster more destructive than this hurricane.

    Hurricane Mitch hitting Central America
    November 30, 1998

  • Ronald Eakins

    If Bush is such a good man and leader and the people love him why doesn’t he just go spend a couple of days in the Super Dome without any food, water or guards. I’m sure all the people that have been stuck in that hell hole will take good care of his sorry ass.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    The federal response has come way too slow.

    This should have been done right after the hurricane hit, not days later.

    That is all.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    They did have national guardsmen at the staging point the day before the hurricane hit they just couldn’t figure out how to get them where they needed to be after that.

    But if the Federal response has been slow, the state and local response has been virtually nonexistent, especially as far as planning.

    Dave

  • http://viewpointjournal.com David Flanagan

    Ronald:

    Why don’t you? What would that accomplish anyway, other than have partisans like you accusing the President of grandstanding?

    David

  • http://viewpointjournal.com David Flanagan

    When all is said and done, what has made matters worse is almost no leadership at the state and local level. In New York, after 9/11, Guliani was in the fray, leading all of the efforts, helping to coordinate the federal resources that the President put at his disposal so that they were used to best effect, and that made all the difference.

    This thought that a President would overrule a Governor and/or Mayor of an effected area and act as if he were the ultimate dictator is just stupid. It tells me that all of the finger-pointers are just playing the role of armchair quarterback.

    But, of course, some of the responses to my post here proves that nothing the President could do or say would ever make them happy. They bash the President because thats all they want and ever intend to do.

    First they say, “the President sat around and did nothing about this.” Then, when I show beyond a doubt that the President did more than anyone else the response becomes, “yeah, well he should have had Scottie beam him in so that he could have delivered all those supplies himself!”

    It’s the same old partisan BS. I’m not surprised, but I am disappointed.

    David

  • Jesse James

    During a campaign year, bush was the first on scene in Florida, handing out ice bags to those (white people) in need. He was three days late in NO and only did a “fly by”. The man is no leader…

  • Steve

    David Flanagan wouldn’t recognize the truth if it hit him in the face. I read the so-called “buried” AP story in the “liberal” NYTimes, but so what? So what if a mandatory evacuation was called for. The point is that many of the city’s poorest couldn’t get out, either because they didn’t have cars, didn’t have the money to stay in a hotel/motel in a safer, distant location,and or because they had just too many people they didn’t want to leave behind.

    Anyone with a brain in their head could see it. The Feds screwed up. it took 5 days — count ‘em FIVE DAYS for sufficient federal forces to show up.

    Get a life Flanagan. Stop whining about the “liberal” media and open up your mind.

  • http://www.tude.com/ Hal Pawluk

    Where exactly, David, do you “show beyond a doubt that the President did more than anyone else?”

    The guy may have made a phone call.

  • ATTICUS

    Blind to your last breath. How can anyone support that incompetent fool we have in the white house much less make excuses for him? I never heard people make excuses for why a leader doesn’t lead before. Sure it is time for actions not acusations, but I don’t know how anyone can feel comfortable with Mr. Bush at the helm. If the left is complaining now it is only because they’ve learned the once the Rove spin machine takes off, black becomes day and white becomes night. God bless you in your ignorance sir.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    We can support him because you can’t tell me one realistic thing he could have done more or better than he did.

    Yes, I suppose he could have parachuted into the Superdome with a submachinegun and a backpack full of food, but that’s not normally something one wants the President of the US to do – lovely meaningless gesture though it would have been.

    Dave

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    How about declaring a mandatory evacuation and sending FEMA and the troops in 2 days earlier?

    How about approving more of the requested funding to build the levees hire and study the effects of a Category 5 hurricane and how to prevent it (also as requested by his own agencies and scientists) over the last few years?

    The reason Bush came out yesterday and said the results were “unacceptable” and the reason almost all the press reported it as a rare admission of a mistake on his part, was because he acted too slowly and didn’t prod others to act fast enough.

    People are at real risk of starving to death and dying in hospitals throughout New Orleans because of the delay — dozens, maybe hundreds have died during the delay.

    This isn’t a political point of attack/counter-attack to be outraged about. It’s a colossal failure in leadership and management that extends far beyond Bush but which Bush too has been slow (and yes, indecisive) in his response to.

    That is all.

  • Cody

    Right. He stayed on vacation until Wednesday. Aid didn’t arrive until Friday. But the Governor said he gave her a telephone call so I guess he did all he needed to do. What leadership. You guys are easily impressed; do you think you can set the bar even lower? Like “Well he didn’t go BACK on vacation” or “He didn’t personally destroy the levees.”
    Dave, how could he have done any less?

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    One REALLY disturbing thing to me was that the FEMA director of New Orleans and other FEMA officials said they had no idea what the situation was like at the Convention Center until yesterday evening, almost 2 days after non-stop media reporting began. They indicated they received no briefings or word on the situation on the ground from anyone within the agency or from the administration.

    It’s one thing to be slow, but to be so ill-informed and so out of the loop for information is unforgivable.

    That is all.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    No one knew there were people at the convention center because that was not one of the refugee destinations in the disaster plan. Someone from the city government erroneously sent them there and then didn’t tell anyone in a position of authority.

    Dave

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    Dave, the media has been there from the beginning for the last few days covering the chaos and that’s where the primary coverage has been, especially since the Superdome people were shipped off to Houston almost 48 hours ago.

    Somebody should have communicated and taken charge long ago. It’s inexcusable.

    That is all.

  • billy

    what a lie. bush was strumming with some no name musician three days into the disaster. you want to give him some credit?

    my advice – resign bush, if you want to save your sinking legacy.

  • Heloise

    Mayor Nagin abandons NOLA to the crocodiles

    Patfish, I see you must have read my comments. I just spoke to my sister who confirmed my suspicions that Mayor Nagin not only fled to Baton Rouge after holding one lousy press conference to yell at the people to get out of town; had contingency plans for his own people who worked in city hall. I have it on good source that those who did not heed his advice but stayed behind were the FIRST ones who were airlifted out by helicopter.

    So you see the people who were shooting at the helicopters had good cause to do so. They smelled not only the sewage in the streets but also a big fat rat by the name of Nagin.

    Don’t forget that light-skinned blacks are just as prejudiced or more so, than whites, against their lower class counterparts who have black, black skin and NO education and NO job.

    My sister’s friend who worked in city hall was not only immediately airlifted off her roof, but was brought to a warm safehouse where she was immediately fed and housed along with anyone else who worked for the Mayor or for city hall!!! I knew it.

    Now, my sister, a smart Creole, was at first totally critical of the speed of the Federal assistance and those who were not from NOLA helping NOLA, and where were they? I reminded her that they are NOT from there and did not know where the hell to go without a map!

    That’s just for starters. I am not going to let the left-wing Democrats get away with putting this all on Bush and that Jew who is running the homeland office, he looks like he escaped the holocaust so maybe he is not worried about the blacks left in NOLA because he has obviously seen worse.

    One woman said that the crocodiles were eating the children floating in the water and other dead bodies. They did not have crocodiles at the death camps but you get my drift.

    I have more of a stake in this than the average reader because my mother’s family has been there for at least 5 generations and they lost everything for like the third time. But this time, this time it is different.

    This time blacks and New Orleans Creoles will be spread out all over the US of A where they should have been in the first place.

    Heloise

    I am posting this here as well. Thank you so much for telling the truth. I knew it was too good to be true that Nagin or Blanco had the sense to tell everyone to abandon the city. I emailed and called any NOLA relative I could that they had to get out of there whether or not their home was dry.

    I think when all is said and done Bush will be honored for taking the lead in this leading disaster.

  • Heloise

    Oh boy, I can’t believe it–my instincts were right again. I just told my sister that the ONLY good thing that came from that mayor was that he told everyone to evacuate, and NOW you tell me this came from Bush, my hero, himself? I am so grateful. I wish those damn dems could walk in that shit hole they helped to create and have to run from the crocodiles they ignored.

    Heloise

  • Heloise

    Jesse I guess you missed Bush hugging those two beautiful Creole sisters during his walking tour of Biloxi? And that suck up mayor standing so close to Bush you would have thought they were siamese twins? I guess you missed those tidbits.

    In all the years I have seen him hug people on TV I have never seen him so sincerely hug anybody as this young girl, black girl. Go tell it on the mountain Jesse.

    Heloise

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    You know what? Heloise is right.

    I’m now completely mollified. He’s the best hugger in the world.

    How can we get this guy a third term?

    That is all.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    And he even hugged a young BLACK girl? You don’t say. He must have gone out of his way to find one of those among the victims.

    That is all.

  • Heloise

    I guess you’ve never been to Biloxi or Long Beach MS? Well, I have. And I was the ONLY black person I saw there, asshole. He was NOT in NOLA, so yes he did have to go out of his way to find them.

    Heloise

  • billy

    that bush hug was so staged its an outrage to anyone of color. that was faker than him pretending to care. he left his vacation 3 days after everyone died that monster. resign bush you failure.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “People are at real risk of starving to death”

    No one starves to death in 5 days…

    How many days was Terri Schiavo starved for, before she died? 13?

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    Hurricane Katrina to Terri Schiavo in less than a week! Must be a new world’s record…

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Just a point of reference, DrPat…

  • godoggo

    Of course, the main criticism of Bush has not been his actions after the flood occured, but that he and his cronies gutten FEMA, with the result that that planning was non-existent, despite the fact that this had been recognized as one of the 3 worst disasters likely to hit the country.

    Kevin Drum’s Political Animal blog over at Washington Monthly has been very good on all this over the last month.

    You can certainly die of dehydration in 5 days. And I imagine 5 days without food can be fatal if your old and sickly. Certainly people have died because of the bad planning. I can’t even believe it’s necessary to argue about this.

    Of course, New Orleans has never had a reputation for good governance, but that’s irrelevant to the distasterousness of Bush’s performance as president, of which this is merely the lastest and most dramatic evidence.

    And now I must leave. There are individuals here who make me want to vomit.

  • godoggo

    Typo: “last month” should be “last week.”

  • goddogo

    OK, one last comment: I recall that Mr. Drum’s immediate reaction to the disaster was that partisan sniping by either the right or the left would be an inappropriate response. Clearly what changed his mind were the facts on the ground.

    Now I’ll vomit.

  • max

    Well, I don’t hear anyone blaming the Independent party, Green party, Libertarian party, Socialist party, or the Constitutionalist party. Just the two of you bitching at each other! Grow up, kids! Look in the mirror and ask yourself, “How have I become so full of hate?”

  • max

    OMG!!!
    I just read the Terri Schiavo comment. While I believe that Terry should have been ALLOWED to live… (Allowed? What a joke! She had family that loved her and wanted to care for her.)… You must understand that these people are burning energy trying to stay alive, while living in a toxic cesspool! A FAR cry from a CLEAN hospital where you are burning almost no energy. These people are dying right now! You people really are sick!

  • bellamerica

    max,

    you are sick! terry schiavo was beyond mentally retarded, blind, and hooked up to a machine for a decade. the congress convened on palm sunday to intervene against her DNR wishes.
    terry was white. plenty of black people are hooked up to machines and allowed to die without congress batting an eye.
    congress did not intervene as quickly to send federal aid to people in new orleans. they are not even given the dignity of food or water, but a brain dead woman gets food and water. your position makes you look foolish and biased. you weigh brain-dead white life over living black children. shame on you!

  • max

    bellamerica.
    HUH? Easy with the black rage and try to read what I wrote!!!! My reply was to RJ (post # 38) He says your people still have about a week before they will die. I was screaming for help for your people! You are blind with rage.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Rage has a color?

  • Max

    Yep, rage comes in all shapes, sizes, and colors.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Mr.Max,that is baloney. Rage is an emotion; it is intangible and colorless. You are just projecting what appears to be ugly bigotry by assigning a hue to a human’s emotions. I am so SICK of the things being said all over this site today. And I assure you, Mr. Max, my rage is colorless.

  • bellamerica

    idiot, you thought i was black. you have a racist understanding of names.
    sara=white
    saramerica=white
    john=white
    sephina=black
    jose=mexican
    jemimah=black
    hope you enjoy bellamerica syrup on your pancakes!
    i don’t assume people’s race like that, but i know yuz white.

  • max

    I never assumed that anyone was black. Your rage about white people put color to your rage. But, I will say that I am also sick…Sick of the race card ALWAYS being played. I have never done anything to keep anyone or race down. Here I am, trying to get help for the victims, and all of the sudden…I get attacked by bellamerica??? How DARE you throw the word “white” around and get pissed when someone says black! “Your people” Well, there are white people there too, so go figure on that one. Okay, I’ll never take up for a black again! SHEESHE! And thanks for the name Quiz. Now I can separate names by color! Names can have color, but rage can’t. Yes!

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    “Your rage about white people put color to your rage.”

    No, it didn’t. It only said that Mr./Ms. Bellamerica is angry.

  • TN Bill

    Someone please tell me where the Mayor was during this entire fiasco. He showed absolutely zero leadership. At a minimum he and his cronies could have walked down to the Superdome and told people to segregate their trash and human waste from the area that they were inhabiting. I have no problem with him sending out a desperate SOS, but for goodness sakes man get out of your hotel and address your people. The only person I saw addressing the people at the dome was Geraldo.

    TN Bill

  • max

    TN Bill,
    I think you meant to say… ‘swim’ to the superdome.

  • TN Bill

    Max,
    If that is what it took that is what I’d expect. Just like when the intrepid Giuliani marched through the streets of NY in the time of crisis.

  • http://www.rmfdevelopment.com Ryan M. Ferris

    It’s completely rational to assert that global warming (specifically the warming of surface Atlantic Ocean temps) is responsible for an increase in the Hurricane cycle. Some meterologists assert that the current Atlantic warming is part of another natural cycle that spawns more hurricanes on a 20 to 40 year cycle. Keep in mind that the invention of air-conditioning made the South habitable for millions. Without air conditioning there would have been little “Sun Belt” growth. So indeed the historical list of hurricanes that have hit the South is long and disastrous. The difference today is that there are many more people living in the South than there were 20 to 40 years ago which of course means more wet land and Cypress grove destruction, less natural buffers, more exposure to Hurricane Winds, more deaths in a Catastrophe and greater odds that a Hurricane will strike and damage a populated area, let alone one that lives beneath a poorly contained Lake and River.

    Still…all that being said…We are in the middle of a global resource war that some of us believe is an extension of the Russian-American cold war. Two recent and terrifying disasters of historical proportions have struck oil producing (Sumatra) and oil refining regions (Southern U.S.). Ignoring the geo-political implications of any catastrophe on a war driven event horizon won’t help you keep your nice comfy job behind a screen at Langley or Ft. Meade, especially when the two events seem closely related to world economic health and oil production.

    But it really doesn’t matter on a local policy level why Hurricanes are happening. Try scanning ‘ “Hurricane risk” “New Orleans” ‘ into google scholar and then read Chertoff’s announcements that the government didn’t anticipate this Hurricane. This was not government incompetence. It’s a mistake to believe that the Fourth Reich is “dumb” or “incompetent”. But what good is the $400 Billion plus a year that is paid to DHS if they can’t ameliorate a well predicted natural disaster like this? After all, more than 10,000 residents may die – five times the number of GI deaths in Iraq. Simply upgrading or doubling the levees would have stopped most of these deaths.

    But no branch of government has the time or money for such domestic preparedness now. And let me tell you, if your government is so broke that it can’t upgrade levees…then another disaster drill won’t be much help. The truth is that the thousands that died in New Orleans are considered “acceptable casualties” in the framework of our gobal resource war. The people of New Orleans died to finance our wars in the Middle East.

  • Verified Patriot

    President Bush needs to swim to the superdome.

    I’d love to drop him in his flight suit at the convention center.

    The mob at the Superdome beat a man who raped and killed a 13 year old girl to death.

    I think they’d much rather see a PORTAPOTTY.

  • TN Bill

    Ryan M. Ferris:

    You mention in your post that the people in New Orleans died to finance our war in the Middle East and that the gov’t didn’t have money to upgrade the levees because it was so broke.

    Why then in the most prosperous era that this country has ever seen (i.e., the Clinton era) didn’t the Clinton administration upgrade the levees? The levees were in the same delapidated condition when he was in charge. Also, in reality if a major project was started to upgrade the levees, our children and grandchildren would be the beneficiaries because of the time it would have taken to undertake such a monsterous project.

    Also, how can you not throw any blame on the local and state governments? Do you think that FEMA was the one who ameliorated the 9-11 aftermath. No, it was great leadership, planning, and foresight from the local Giuliani administration.

    TN Bill

  • Max

    TN Bull s,
    The Giuliani administration did NOT have anything on this scale. He had electricity where he could address his people, who also had electricity so they could listen to him…if they so desired. His people still had food and water. Really, what did the Giuliani administration do that was so great? There is still a big hole there!

  • kittygogo

    To the Bush apologists: Your guy is in office now, sorry. Clinton hasn’t been there for quite a while. There comes a point in which the current events are not his fault anymore. Bush has had plenty of time to do something about … well anything, and he chose to fund his pretend war. Lay off Clinton, unfortunately we will never know how much better he would have done. This bloodbath has Bush’s name all over it. Why don’t we “blame” the green party? What are you a total moron? Is the green party in office, have they ever been in office?

    And to those on-message dic&wads, who’s every other post, everywhere on this board is blame anyone else but Bush – fine, blame the mayor,blame the gover. get rid of them all, including your moronic, evil, ineffective president. He is the biggest mistake of them all.

    And Heloise, why do we have to bring the jews into this debate. I have read many of your hateful, ignorant posts and you need to get educated.

  • max

    kittygogo

    “And to those on-message dic&wads, who’s every other post, everywhere on this board”

    HYPOCRITE!!!

  • kittygogo

    Did I touch a nerve?

  • kittygogo

    that was directed to you “your worst nightmare”.

  • kittygogo

    and max, did you miss where I said fire them all?

  • http://www.redcross.org David

    Bush said Governor said Mayor said yada yada yada.
    When evacuation was ordered by whoever it was not carried out as by law:

    The 2000 edition of the southeast Louisiana evacuation plan on page 13, paragraph 5 states:

    5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.

    Buses and other transportation sat unused before hurricane landfall during the so called evacuation.
    All the local Politicians saved their sorry butts and left people that have no transportation stranded.

    Now here’s the question all you have got to ask yourselves. Being hindsight blogging is 20/20.

    What are you doing to help the hurricane victims NOW? (besides trying to blame someone else)

    I suggest you go to:

    http://www.redcross.org

    and do your part.

    Don’t donate till it hurts.
    Donate till it feels good!

  • max

    kittygogo,
    Sorry, I couldn’t help it. Just kidding around. But, aren’t we all, just a little?

  • http://jcb.pentex-net.com John Bambenek

    I wonder if the Mayor and Governor aren’t being criticized heavily has more to do with the fact they are Democrats…

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    You know it, Mr. Bambanek. This is a case where the political divide is going to get wider and deeper. We live in a society where nobody wants to take accountability for anything. Hillary Clinton is calling for a Commission and for FEMA to be taken out of Homeland Security and made its own cabinet level post. That’s not such a bad idea.

  • TN Bill

    Max-i-Pad:

    Surely you jest…..the New York Municipal government wakes up one morning to jetliners flying into their buildings, which was an almost inconceivable scenario. They had zero prior notice.

    On the other hand, the New Orleans municipal government knew about this scenario for years, and they knew about Katrina for a couple of days. There have been volumes written on this scenario. Please don’t make excuses…..but thanks for highlighting the problem: the New Orleans City Gov’t was inept and did not get food and water to their people even though they knew this tragic event could happen. But I promise you the great leader of New Orleans was eating and drinking, and even at times he was doing it in Baton Rouge.

    The difference was Giuliani walked into the middle of the crisis, and Nagin went to Baton Rouge to get some Gumbo.

    TN Bill

  • max

    TN Bull s,
    I don’t blame bush for this, totally. I also blame the democrats. I don’t blame the Independents, greens, liberations, or anyone involved in politics. I’m not that blind. It was big business…sabotage!

  • Anthony Grande

    It is time we stop going after the president and turn our heads to the Governor of LA and the mayor of NO.

    It boils my blood watching the news and seeing disaster and poverty and wondering: Where the f**k is the Mayor? Where the f**k is the Governor?

  • max

    Let’s stop asking why the Mayor hasn’t walked down to effected area. That goes to show how STUPID you are. “Let me just stroll on over to…THE WHOLE GULF COAST.” Exactly WHERE would you expect to see Giuliani at this point? Swimming down 10th street helping everyone out? Get real!

  • Anthony Grande

    Bush walked down the effected area, but that is besides the point.

    How come the Mayor or Governor didn’t do nothing to make sure his people evacuated or to make sure the levees are up to date???

    I said where the f*ck are they because I wanted to know why everyone is blaming Bush instead of those two pigs.

  • max

    Anthony,

    Most likely for the same reason that Jeb doesn’t get everyone out when the hurricanes hit there. Some people just won’t leave.

  • Anthony Grande

    The situation is different. THe ones that hit Florida are nothing compared to Katrina. Everyone knew ahead of time that this was no ordinary Hurricane.

    The Governor and Mayor should have also made sure that that levee was up to date. The disaster wouldn’t have been so bad if they had an up to date levee.

  • max

    I agree Anthony,

    They knew about two days before it hit that it was gong to most likely hit there. That was MORE than enough to call out the army core of engineers and assess the levee. There would have been plenty of time to contract the job, and have it completed. During this time, the cops should have been searching every house and forced everyone to leave. Then provided transportation for the weak, sick, and elderly, and somehow get them through the traffic. (Did anyone notice how only ONE lane was open)

    With your since of reality, I’m glad you’re not in office!

  • TN Bill

    Obviously Max you have no critical thinking skills, and you probably have the capability to read on a 5th grade level.

    Who mentioned anything about the Gulf Coast? Obviously the mayor is part of the municipal government and has no responsibility over the Gulf Coast.

    Are you telling me that Nagin could get to Baton Rouge and to the Kenner airport, but he couldn’t get to the Convention Center or to the Superdome in his own city? Obviously, the tourists who were staying at the hotel he was in were able to get to the Superdome, and by the way they got out of New Orleans on a bus before the rest of his own citizens, which he personally helped orchestrate.

    TN Bill

  • Anthony Grande

    “That was MORE than enough to call out the army core of engineers and assess the levee.”

    No, the levee should have been assessed years or several months ago. The Governor, Mayor and the rest of the Democrats in office there failed their city and people.

    Two days before the disaster was no time to call our army out there. It is not safe to do it 2 days before, but it could have been done 2 years before.

    The police should have gone door to door and move people out. This is also something the Mayor was too lazy to do.

  • Anthony Grande

    “With your since of reality, I’m glad you’re not in office!”

    If I was in office in NO things would have been different.

  • max

    The levee survived the storm. It was sabotage. Insurance companies.

  • Anthony Grande

    I wouldn’t be surprised. Loisiana Democrats have a notorious history of corruption.

  • Heloise

    Politically Uncool: Mayor Nagin

    To the poster who asked where Nagin was–Heloise is working on that. I had more than 30 close relatives who did get out on Saturday. The rest have not been heard from and that number is like countless…so I want to know where that loudmouth was.

    Here is what I heard from CNN and Nagin it appears he was in a hotel that was messed up–maybe the Hyatt, not sure. I also heard he went to Baton Rouge. But what is for sure he did not RESURFACE–pun intended–until the press and white people showed up!!

    Now, his police officers showed cowardice under fire. Contrast them with the firemen and police of NYC! They went into a burning building and risked their lives. These guys are taking their lives by suicide.

    My sister has confirmed that other city workers were airlifted if they got stuck and brought to a safe place maybe with Nagin who was obviously in a very safe place.

    He was uncool in his remarks about Bush and Blanco and towards the press. He was some sort of white collar businessman who is obviously unschooled and uncool politically.

    In this situation you get more flies with a little honey. He has cooled his jets a bit. But the race card, and I am a colored Creole, is NOT going to work in this instance I predict. Look at all the whites in the little towns who are doing for themselves unlike the poor blacks of NOLA who have been unable to do.

    When you go into the attic you have to have a plan to get out onto the roof..duh…

    Heloise

  • max

    Tn blll s,

    Just making a point on the gulf “ghost”. Still, tell me what Giuliani did that was so great. Did he go on a hunger strike, or did he have nice, warm dinner that night. Did he camp out in the debris, or did he get out of there. You blame who you want, but I saw Nagin asking for help and he is finally getting it. Took long enough. Do I think anyone acted quick enough…HELL NO!!!

  • Bill

    Max:

    Giuliani showed-up and took charge of the situation; He spent SOME time at the disaster scene periodically. I can’t break this down any simpler than that.

    I wasn’t asking for Nagin to camp out with the victims, but I was just asking the guy to show his face and take charge of the situation. He could have talked to the masses and allayed their fears; he could have attempted to organize and direct the people, who were all in a state of shock; Surely the guy is intelligent enough to tell everyone to put trash in this general area, to use the bathroom in this general, and to segregate the dead bodies from the masses. Essentially he could have been a leader. But as I have expressed before he was either in his hotel or in Baton Rouge eating donuts and asking himself why he ever left Cox Communications.

    You say you saw Mayor Nagin asking for help, but I never saw him and that was the problem. I only HEARD the well publicized plea he put out. The plea was necessary, but he keeps pointing the finger upward instead of in the mirror. He deserves some of the blame.

    TN Bill

  • max

    Well, there is a bright side…Texas just got 1.5 million NEW voting democrats.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Sorry Max, they don’t qualify as legal residents under Texas law.

    Dave

  • max

    Dave
    It’s only a 6 month wait.

  • gary

    OK all you “know it all’s”. This is not the big one that was expected to happen. This is not the levee that was in question. If that levee had broken, there wouldn’t be anyone left. I’m not getting involved in a blame game …but I do blame the people here for being total idiots.

  • Heloise

    You are right gary, it was one of the earthen damns and also one of the walls built into industrial canal in the 9th ward. One guy said “the city blew up that damn to flood the 9th ward.” That’s what they think of what people think of them.

    Yes, to our surprise not one levee broke. They have been newly refurbished. But they said that the wall that did break was a thin 2-foot wide wall that could not stand up to the water. And where do you think this tiny wall was found?

    My aunt lived near, like two blocks from Lake Ponchartrain and if you walk over there it looks like a huge block of concrete. This being near, not her house, the rich homes. On one side this damn, not a levee, I think, also did break and some of the rich homes did get flooded.

    But was this a levee or a wall? I think it was another wall because it is said that not ONE levee…hmmm…broke. But they still need the marshes someday.

    Heloise

  • Verified Patriot

    Nagin doesn’t have the money or sound police force that Guiliani had.

    Nobody in New Orleans respected its cops before the disaster. This is why they couldn’t gain order. It had a corrupt system that Nagin was trying to fix.

    This is where FEMA comes in. FEMA did have a sound system before Bush kicked out Witt (FEMA’s reformer) in 2001 to replace Witt with Brown (a friend of a friend with no experience).

    Read CNN: FEMA actually cut Nagin’s communication lines. I know it’s unbelievable. FEMA actually turned back evacuees who walked dozens of miles to the buses because they didn’t want black looters in the neighboring town!!!!!

    Nagin did the best he could with his resources. He is honest. FEMA is supposed to protect poorer communities. FEMA is to expect poorer people will remain in the storm.

    New Orleans is a major port & FEMA has a responsibility to get it back & running & prevent a recession.

    Bush is weak on terror, weak on national security, and weak on business. He couldn’t fire Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, and now, Brown. I can’t respect that type of management. Therefore, he needs to vacate the White House and allow a real leader to run this country!!!!!

  • max

    Thieves don’t return things that they stole.

  • Verified Patriot

    You’re right max:
    1.Bush stole the presidency.
    2.Cheney stole oil money from Iraq.
    3.Rove stole the Republican primary from McCain.
    4.Bush stole the FEMA position from qualified Witt and handed it to horse-show commish, Brown.
    5.Bush stole funds to improve levees to pay for Iraq.

    Cabinet of Thieves

  • max

    Verified Patriot

    You’re right. But you forgot one..The Texas lottery.

  • http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/02/232258.php#comments JSands

    The Giuliani comparisons are ridiculous. You are comparing two buildings, actually lets say 8 city blocks in the largest city in America being destroyed, to an entire city with a fraction of the resources being completely reduced to martial law through a category 4 hurricane followed by a flood. Then you ask why Nagin doesn’t put on th FDNO hat and grab a bullhorn? Probably because there were roaming mobs of gunmen and standing E.Coli water or maybe it was the letter behind his name. The VP may be busy house hunting but at least Queen Cracker was sent in to assess the underprivileged situation.

  • Bill

    If Nagin did the best he could with his resources, then why were there hundreds of city buses under water? Obviously he could have used them to evacuate his people.

    OK great, Giuliani may have had more money and a more sound police force than Nagin, but I’ll tell you he also has a pair of something else that apparently Nagin doesn’t have. Once again, all I was asking Nagin to do was to get out of his rathole and go to the convention center and Superdome and check on his people. Once he saw the abhorrent conditions they were living in he could have taken action to organize the scene better.

    Hey you can say Bush is weak on several things, but to say he’s weak on terror is ignorant. If you don’t think so, next time you see the pedophile Osama, ask him how he likes dragging his dialysis machine from cave to cave.

    You’re right we need a real leader in the White House…I wish we had Al Gore, the genius who invented the internet, probably invented blogging, and was shot at in Vietnam when he was there taking pictures of lillies. Or better yet, we need Kerry, who would probably be speeding around flood waters on a boat with cameramen nearby waiting to capture some shrapnel hitting his buttocks, so he could claim victory and another medal.

    Also, I can’t believe you said Bush should fire Rice….Based on the logic I’ve heard recently you are definitely a chauvinist and a Racist.

    TN Bill

  • Verified Patriot

    TN Bill

    At least Osama gets a dialysis machine.

    A cave lifestyle is more dignified than roaming the streets of New Orleans.

    Oh how proud you are of your Rice. What does she do again? When has she ever disagreed or shared an opinion with Bush? She’s just another FEMA appointee. She’s your walking photo-op. Go meet some real blacks or one at least.

  • http://mediamatters.org/items/200509060011 P

    Media Matters responds here

    Fox’s Hume, Wilson take cue from conservative blogs, repeat unfounded claim that Bush “pleaded” with New Orleans mayor to evacuate city.

    Sorry. No credit due for the Bumbler in Chief for this one.

  • http://dicktuckpolitical.blogspot.com/ Dick Tuck

    The claim that Blanco and Nagin only declared an emergency evacuation after Bush pleaded for it is a patent lie, perpetuated by Powerline, RedState, and this author.

    Here’s the exact words from the press conference, which anyone could have gotten at the link:

    BLANCO: I want to reiterate what the mayor has said. This is a very dangerous time. Just before we walked into this room, President Bush called and told me to share with all of you that he is very concerned about the citizens. He is concerned about the impact that this hurricane would have on our people. And he asked me to please ensure that there would be a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans.

    So what’s the hidden agenda that the right wingers are trying to spread? That Blanco and Nagin, who within two hours of receiving the update from the National Hurricane Service, and planned an evactuation of New Orleans only did so because Bush “pleaded” with them? Aside from it being a total lie, it’s just another red herring being tossed in to ignore the fact that it took almost five days for Federal assistence to be on the ground.

    Don’t buy these lies. Challenge every word. What’s at stake is too important to be snowed by some partisan hacks.

  • djangone

    Yes, can anyone–anyone–point out where Bush ‘pleaded’ for an evacuation?

    What a load of incredible liars you are. And those idiotic people who believe you, your readers, just bending over and grabbing their ankles.

    Sorry, the record is already quite clear on this one: Bush played that geetar while New Orleans drowned. You might as well get used to it because you’ll be reading it for the rest of your lives.

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    Gee, djangone, could you read the comment right above yours? “President Bush called and told me to share with all of you that he is very concerned about the citizens. He is concerned about the impact that this hurricane would have on our people. And he asked me to please ensure that there would be a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans.”

    It’s even linked…

  • http://dailykos.com/ P

    DrPat,
    So what you’re stressing here is that Bush was ‘aware’ of the severity of the situation and then carried on in his merry way. Way to take charge George. Real leadership there. The buck stops with you, huh?

    I am so frickin’ tired of his grinning condescending inadequacy.

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    Sigh. Seems to be my day to point out the flippin’ obvious…

    P, I responded to djangone’s request to “anyone–anyone–[to] point out where Bush ‘pleaded’ for an evacuation” — a comment that came RIGHT AFTER a linked quote from LA Governor Blanco, in which she explicitly said that Bush had pleaded for a mandatory evacuation. I even emphasized the word that answered djangone’s question.

    I defy anyone — anyone — to read into what I said to djangone any resemblence to “what you’re stressing here is that Bush was ‘aware’ of the severity of the situation and then carried on in his merry way.”

    You don’t benefit your argument by diverging so widely from the truth, P!

  • http://dailykos.com/ P

    DrPat,
    Since we’re playing a parsing game here (please becomes plead). I’ll parse your post since it is your day to be flippin’ obstinate.

    Djangone requests someone point out the ‘plead’.
    You refer him to the Bush’s concern and politeness. Oh, please. The urgency of a plead is not illustrated here. It is merely assumed.

    Now if we are to assume that Bush is ‘pleading’ then we should assume his concern is heightened sufficiently to call off the guitar lesson. He did not.

    I do not diverge. I am staying entirely on point which is that Mr. Flanagan is seeing leadership where it is non-existent.

    What you are stressing in your post is apparently unclear even to you.

  • Nola

    If Bush thought there was an emergency, why did he STAY IN CRAWFORD?

    What is your excuse? That Condi withheld the Category 5 memo from him. He knew in 2001 that a 5 hitting New Orleans would be a major catastophe comparable to a nuclear attack.

    He paid more attention to Terry Schiavo.

  • max

    Here is my excuse for Bush. It’s that 83 IQ. He just can’t help it. He has the mentally that if he fails the UT entry exam…his daddy will just buy his way through Harvard. I doubt that he has ever had to work out a problem on his own…or think for himself.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Well, there is a bright side…Texas just got 1.5 million NEW voting democrats.
    MYTH: Louisiana is a Democrat stronghold.
    FACT: Louisianans voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004. The Congressional Delegation is made up of 1 Republican Senator, 1 Democrat Senator, 5 Republican House Members and 2 Democrat House Members. But let’s face facts, special interests buy elections. In the first six months of this year, Louisiana Federal Officeholders raised $2.1 million in special interest money. We’re not even in an election year! Go figure.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Silas, they didn’t evacuate Louisiana, they evacuated New Orleans. Don’t try to tell me New Orleans voted Republican.

    Dave

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Bush Kerry Other
    Jefferson Parish 62% 38% 0%
    Orleans Parish 22% 78% 0%
    St. Bernard Parish 66% 33% 1%
    St. Charles Parish 62% 37% 1%
    St James Parish 41% 58% 1%
    St. John the Baptist 46% 53% 1%
    Plaquemines Parish 65% 35% 0%

    Sorry, Dave. New Orleans proper went to Kerry but many of the surrounding counties went for Bush. That being said, the place is not a Democrat stronghold. If anything, like you pointed out, they’re under a dictatorship more often than not.

  • Verified Patriot

    Silas you have proved how poor Dave is at checking facts.
    He lies to support Rove’s defense tactic to blame local government.

    This diversionary tactic does not work when Republicans are the local government.

    Nadin was elected as a reformer and he succeeded at that. Bush was elected to improve national security and he FAILED 100%. He’s not an environmental president, education president, social programs president, or foreign policy president.

    Bush failed Republicans and Democrats who voted for him in 2004 on his promise to beef up national security. Nagin made no such promises.

    Bush was more than EAGER in 2001 to steal credit for NYC’s return to order. Guiliani was too generous.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Bush was elected to improve national security and he FAILED 100%.

    Actually he got reelected because there was the perception that he had the national security under control and in the event of a crisis his Administration could handle it. That’s where he’s failed. Katrina proves that our response system to a national crisis is in chaos. That’s not entirely the fault of the President. There’s Congress, state and local governments. There should be outrage coming from the villages and hamlets across America. We must, at the local level, insure that our back yards are secure and work our way up the food chain. Every community should have a point person who responds to a statewide point person who, in turn, responds to the federal point person. Is that so difficult in the age of information?

  • Bill

    Max’s post: “Here is my excuse for Bush. It’s that 83 IQ. He just can’t help it. He has the mentally that if he fails the UT entry exam…”

    Max:

    If you’re going to attack someone’s IQ, at a minimum you need to ensure that your own grammar is correct. Its not mentally it is mentality big boy.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Point to Bill.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    >>Sorry, Dave. New Orleans proper went to Kerry but many of the surrounding counties went for Bush. That being said, the place is not a Democrat stronghold. If anything, like you pointed out, they’re under a dictatorship more often than not. <<

    That’s what I said, Silas. New Orleans is heavily democrat as you pointed out. The state overall is about 50-50. I don’t see where we disagree here. The democrats win the state because they turn out the urban vote really well because the people living in the inner cities, particularly New Orleans are basically clients of the party and the ward presidents and get services in exchange for voting loyalty. There’s always been a direct quid pro quo. They even pay cash for votes.

    Dave

  • Bennett

    Bill,

    Not that YOU were attacking anyone’s IQ, but it’s “it’s” not “its”…

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    I agree Dave. I think we’re on the same page. I agree on the vote buying as well. Louisiana politics is its own third world looney bin. This is an opportunity for Louisianans to turn things around.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    >>Silas you have proved how poor Dave is at checking facts.
    He lies to support Rove’s defense tactic to blame local government.< <

    You do realize that Silas' stats supported exactly what I was saying and that he agreed with my general conclusions, right? Or are you incapable of reading the posts you respond to?

    >>This diversionary tactic does not work when Republicans are the local government.< <

    What diversionary tactic? The party affiliation of the local party is irrelevant. Do you think corrupt republicans are any different or better or worse than corrupt democrats?

    >>Nadin was elected as a reformer and he succeeded at that.< <

    His name is Nagin. And his reforms were cosmetic. Ask anyone who's lived there.

    >> Bush was elected to improve national security and he FAILED 100%. He’s not an environmental president, education president, social programs president, or foreign policy president.< <

    Yes, he has failed to live up to his promises, but he didn't cause this disaster or fail to respond properly, despite all his other faults.

    >>Bush failed Republicans and Democrats who voted for him in 2004 on his promise to beef up national security. Nagin made no such promises.< <

    No, it's worse. Nagin had a disaster plan he had a responsibility to follow and abandonned the city and the plan instead. Nagin didn't have to innovate or show initiative, all he had to do was implement the established plan which is only a few pages long, btw.

    >>Bush was more than EAGER in 2001 to steal credit for NYC’s return to order. Guiliani was too generous.<<

    Well, I’d have voted for Giuliani if he’d run in 2000, or 2004 or if he runs next time. But no one offered me that option. The best I was offered in 2000 was Bush.

    Dave

  • max

    Yes Bill,

    It’s “it’s”. Please learn the three letter words before attacking others. I’m sure you read over your post very well before you posted it. Just as I did mine.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    >>I agree Dave. I think we’re on the same page. I agree on the vote buying as well. Louisiana politics is its own third world looney bin. This is an opportunity for Louisianans to turn things around.<<

    I have a friend from Baton Rouge who was involved in state government for 16 years. He’s a democrat and he tells horror stories about state government and laughs about government in New Orleans. The whole system is corrupt and they’re perversely proud of it. It’s like they see the whole state as a kind of big family and New Orleans is the eccentric, semi-demented uncle who everyone humors.

    Dave

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Well, this is an opportunity for them to do some great things. There will be heroes emerging from this drama. I hope that from these heroes will be men and women who will take the charge and do what needs to be done. What I find most tragic, Dave, is that of all the politicians I have seen paraded in front of the cameras, not one of them, except Mary Landrieu, has seemed to me to be permanently changed by the horrors. I see how reporters have been affected and I am ever so grateful to reporters like Anderson Cooper and Shepherd Smith who have allowed their feelings to show through.

    I can’t begin to imagine how horrible things must be there. But I can equate it to the stories my grandmother used to tell me about the horrors Jews and Catholics went through in Poland before Hitler even entered the picture. She talked about blood soaked soil and slaughter. There were vivid descriptions that have stayed with me to this day. That’s why I find it so hard to fathom that something like this can happen in America. I find it almost immoral that we aren’t seeing those elected officials coming out of the Gulf Coast forever changed by nature’s wrath. That says a lot about how self-serving our elected offcials are.

  • Bill

    I stand corrected in shame. I need to go and study my Harbrace Handbook.

    Point to Max.

    Bill

  • http://ezsgblog.com/vtdawson/index.php Bennett

    Point to both Bill and Max for being good folks.

    Cheers!

    Please continue.

  • max

    I also spelled “access” as “asses” and a few other blunders.

  • Greg

    What we are seeing is the complete militarization of a major port. Can you see the writing on the wall?

  • http://ezsgblog.com/vtdawson/index.php Bennett

    Max – Yeah, I got so tired of my own misspellings that I generally open up a word processor to spell check my comments…

    It’s a common fault whenb your vocabulary exceeds your spelling skills…

    Greg – How so?

  • kittygogo

    I don’t understand why anyone is defending any of these asswipes. They ALL failed. Why does it even have to be repos vs. demos? Why isn’t anyone saying that they are ALL to blame and should ALL be blamed and gotten rid of, from Bush on down. Not Brownie though, he’s totally adorable!

    All of these Bush supporters are just grasping at straws. Yeah, the mayor most likely f’d up, as well as the governor, but Bush had the opportunity to rectify an already horrible situation and he just made it 50 million times worse. Why are you people defending him? It absolutely boggles the mind and makes no sense. Do you really want to have this idiot be our leader? He is obviously incapable.

    I’ve said it b4, I’ll say it again. They are all to blame, get rid of them all. Or maybe it is just hard to raise an arguement out of this one, because it is not festered in useless ideology.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    I’m not defending anyone, kitty. That’s not terribly interesting. I’m just pointing out where those who are attacking are attacking based on lies and distortions. That seems more productive.

    Dave

  • Verified Patriot

    Dave –

    I don’t care how corrupt you say Louisiana politics are. Corrupt compared to what exactly? Cheney dropping a CIA name? National Guard are the first response to prevent looting. You imagined that there are enough cops to protect every building in New Orleans.
    A third of National Guard are in Iraq. This is the fault of the man who made up a reason for the war that has been disproven. Remember we are there to find WMDs not terrorists.
    Iraq became chaos for the same reason New Orleans did. Looting was allowed to get out of control while Iraqis were still thankful to see Saddam out. Terrorists from surrounding countries infultrated the borders during this chaos. On top of the looting, electricity and water systems were out of commission…sound familiar. This changed public opinion because Saddam now seemed merciful. But the Iraqis are supposed to be thankful for their freedom to live in the dark.

    Policemen in New Orleans were demoralized from being victims and rescuers. Policemen on Sept. 11th had houses to go back to, bathrooms to use, radios that worked, food, and water. You have overlooked their reality. National Guard troops did not share this demoralizing perspective and could catch their breath. The government should be able to swoop in, anywhere and anytime, no matter the capabilities of the local government. If they can supposedly shoot down a terrorist plane in 30 minutes, why can’t they make it to New Orleans in 3 days?

  • max

    Don’t forget the fact that bush cut funding for the police. I have many cop friends that are kicking theirself in the head for voting for bush.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>Don’t forget the fact that bush cut funding for the police. I have many cop friends that are kicking theirself in the head for voting for bush.<<

    Max, do you live in a different reality? Bush increased federal funding for police more than any president in history in the wake of 9/11.

    Dave

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>I don’t care how corrupt you say Louisiana politics are. Corrupt compared to what exactly? < <

    Compared to other US states.

    >>National Guard are the first response to prevent looting. You imagined that there are enough cops to protect every building in New Orleans.< <

    There are 1600 uniformed officers in the NOPD. That's enough to cover a lot of territory, but no, I didn't expect them to stop looting - I did expect them to evacuate people and protect the people at the Superdome and Convention Center. They certainly had enough men to do that.

    >>A third of National Guard are in Iraq. This is the fault of the man who made up a reason for the war that has been disproven. Remember we are there to find WMDs not terrorists. < <

    This is completely irrelevant. There were more than enough national guard available as I pointed out in my article on that subject. They could have had 30,000 men there if they'd wanted or needed them.

    >>The government should be able to swoop in, anywhere and anytime, no matter the capabilities of the local government. If they can supposedly shoot down a terrorist plane in 30 minutes, why can’t they make it to New Orleans in 3 days?<<

    6000 national guardsmen were on the ground in Louisiana two days before the hurricane hit and another 10,000 arrived in the next three days. They were kept out of the city by local authorities and FEMA until the situation had stabilized because the flood waters made it too dangerous to engage in rescue operations.

    Dave

  • max

    Well Dave,
    I live in the real world of Texas where our police have had their funds cut drastically. No increases here. It must be lonely being one of the only three people in America that feels that bush has done no wrong. You can defend this man all you want. How much do they pay you? Yep, I live in Texas and know thousands of people…only 3 are republicans…hmmm…

  • Verified Patriot

    Dave – you wrote –
    “[National Guard] were kept out of the city by local authorities and FEMA until the situation had stabilized”

    wrong: as of yet, the situation still has not stabilized.
    case: thousands of citizens remain near downed power lines which are being turned on & near water-born diseases.

    wrong: local authorities kept NG out. case: Governor filed STATE of EMERGENCY papers on Aug. 26 not after flooding. NG ignored her request.

    wrong: point of NG to enter after things stabilize.
    case: NG stabilizing mission is not a mission that can be delayed after things stabilize because it stops all relief efforts.
    example: the national guard saves more lives if they stabilize the relief effort not if they stabilize businesses (why FEMA sent them). without guards doctors cannot evacuate patients. without guards water cannot be handed out to angry evacuees at convention center. It is dropped after dehydration set in and not distributed evenly.

    example: hundreds die at convention center from lack of insulin and water= more lives lost than if NG work amidst shootings.

    “the flood waters made it too dangerous to engage in rescue operations”

    correction: the national guard was held back because of a few shootings overemphasized by Karl Rove to take the heat off the President. soldiers that have a high chance of dying in iraq are afraid of a few meth addicts on their home turf.
    FEMA Problem identified: War-time mission missing war-time mentality!

    correction: flood waters pose greater danger as time elapses. so why not send troops in sooner when disease hasn’t set in? under your guidelines, FEMA would send troops in after the water was pumped out. it’s Sept. 9, the water is still there! the absence of water does not eliminate disease. these troops face illness in Iraq and have been vaccinated more than the relief workers and local police.

    you were way off target. it’s unbecoming to defend the indefensible!

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>I live in the real world of Texas where our police have had their funds cut drastically. No increases here. It must be lonely being one of the only three people in America that feels that bush has done no wrong. You can defend this man all you want. How much do they pay you? Yep, I live in Texas and know thousands of people…only 3 are republicans…hmmm…<<

    Odd, I live in an entirely different Texas where our police in small towns have received millions of dollars to spend on new equipment and facilities from Homeland Security, and where the people I know are mostly independents or divided roughly 50-50 between Republicans and Democrats. And unlike you I’ve got a firm handle on this, since I know our local police chief and I’m a precinct election judge.

    Dave

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>[National Guard] were kept out of the city by local authorities and FEMA until the situation had stabilized”

    wrong: as of yet, the situation still has not stabilized. < <

    They've pumped most of the water out. Where do you get this crazy stuff from? The reason they kept relief workers out of the city was the danger from flood water.

    >>case: thousands of citizens remain near downed power lines which are being turned on & near water-born diseases.< <

    Of course all the dangers aren't gone - that's why they have people in there fixing things.

    >>wrong: local authorities kept NG out. case: Governor filed STATE of EMERGENCY papers on Aug. 26 not after flooding. NG ignored her request.< <

    Actually, she filed them on the 27th. It's a matter of record. But I never said she filed them after the flooding - that's something the media and the left are claiming the administration has said, but it's not true.

    >>wrong: point of NG to enter after things stabilize.
    case: NG stabilizing mission is not a mission that can be delayed after things stabilize because it stops all relief efforts.< <

    The Army Corps of Engineers needed to make some progress with the water before guardsmen on foot could go into the city. That's just the way it was.

    >>example: the national guard saves more lives if they stabilize the relief effort not if they stabilize businesses (why FEMA sent them). without guards doctors cannot evacuate patients. without guards water cannot be handed out to angry evacuees at convention center. It is dropped after dehydration set in and not distributed evenly.< <

    The Bataan and guard units were evacuating large numbers of sick and injured people by helicopter starting very shortly after the city flooded.

    >>example: hundreds die at convention center from lack of insulin and water= more lives lost than if NG work amidst shootings.< <

    The shootings were never an issue as far as keeping the guard out, and most of the sniping was after the guard was already in the city.

    >>correction: the national guard was held back because of a few shootings overemphasized by Karl Rove to take the heat off the President. soldiers that have a high chance of dying in iraq are afraid of a few meth addicts on their home turf.
    FEMA Problem identified: War-time mission missing war-time mentality!< <

    This just isn't true. There's no evidence to back it up.

    >>correction: flood waters pose greater danger as time elapses.< <

    Not when they have pumps to drain the water. Have you seen current photos? Downtown and the French Quarter and other areas are completely dry now.

    >> so why not send troops in sooner when disease hasn’t set in? under your guidelines,< <

    Because when the water is raging ground troops will need to be rescued to. This is standard flood procedure.

    >> FEMA would send troops in after the water was pumped out. it’s Sept. 9, the water is still there! < <

    Wrong. Look at current photos.

    >>you were way off target. it’s unbecoming to defend the indefensible!<<

    At least I’m not just making stuff up as you seem to be.

    Dave

  • max

    Who’s talking homeland security? I’m talking about local police that have had their funding cut to pay for this homeland bull rap. You’re a judge? Well, a phony good for nothing election judge? So what! I know our police chief and many local cops and many DPS officers that see things differently than you. Homeland security does nothing for local crime. And don’t try to tell me that we’ve strengthened our borders!!!

  • max

    Never mind Dave,
    I just noticed that you’re the raging homo on the other blog. Your opinion is worthless.

  • Verified Patriot

    Dave “you’re just making stuff up” Nalle-

    You BLAMED THE LEFT AGAIN for making up that Governor Kathleen Blanco withheld filing a state of emergency until after the hurricane…while the source of this lie (as it was FIRST TOLD in the WASHINGTON POST) was a “senior Bush official” in its September 4 story.

    My evidence proves this lie came from the RIGHT. This is just one of your lies and Republican lies to make the local government and FEMALE Governor appear incompetant.

    The evidence states the declaration came on FRIDAY, Aug. 26. You actually tried to correct this to the 27, but without proof. Aug. 26 is stated time & time again according to many newspaper timelines.

    Jeff Smith from the Louisiana National Guard said, “one problem in getting people out of New Orleans was that the Federal Emergency Management Agency was slow providing buses.”

    David Passey with FEMA said “it took time to get the buses because they came from out of state.” So, the plan to remove poor residents was instigated by the mayor by coordinated by FEMA. And we now know that FEMA’s coordination spells disaster. FEMA impeded the effort with using buses that were from out of state. FEMA makes bad decisions in crises.

    Again FEMA not local government was slow to respond.

    How are you going to spin these facts?

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>You BLAMED THE LEFT AGAIN for making up that Governor Kathleen Blanco withheld filing a state of emergency until after the hurricane…while the source of this lie (as it was FIRST TOLD in the WASHINGTON POST) was a “senior Bush official” in its September 4 story.< <

    Are you incapable of understanding that this is credited to an UNNAMED SOURCE. That's not evidence, that's not anything. That's someone at a cocktail party making an offhand comment that gets passed on to a reporter. It's crap, but people are trying to play it up into some sort of disinformation campaign from the administration. No one in the media is pursuing this claim or taking it seriously. Why are you?

    >>My evidence proves this lie came from the RIGHT. This is just one of your lies and Republican lies to make the local government and FEMALE Governor appear incompetant.< <

    It's not MY lie. I don't work for Bush and I don't work for the post. We all know it's not true. The administration has said it's not true, Blanco has said it's not true. Why is it an issue at all?

    >>The evidence states the declaration came on FRIDAY, Aug. 26. You actually tried to correct this to the 27, but without proof. Aug. 26 is stated time & time again according to many newspaper timelines.< <

    No, you nitwit. Blanco's formal request for aid is DATED the 27th. It's on the paper in black and white. Here's a link to the text from Blanco's official website. Note the date. request

    >>Jeff Smith from the Louisiana National Guard said, “one problem in getting people out of New Orleans was that the Federal Emergency Management Agency was slow providing buses.”< <

    Yes, FEMA caused a variety of problems. Of course, if the buses in NO had been available they could have used them.

    >>David Passey with FEMA said “it took time to get the buses because they came from out of state.” So, the plan to remove poor residents was instigated by the mayor by coordinated by FEMA. And we now know that FEMA’s coordination spells disaster. FEMA impeded the effort with using buses that were from out of state. FEMA makes bad decisions in crises.< <

    The mayor had an opportunity to use his buses before FEMA got there, as specifically required in the disaster plan which he signed off on as required by FEMA. Yes, FEMA was slow, but they shouldn't have had to get buses from out of state.

    >>How are you going to spin these facts?<<

    The facts are the facts. FEMA screwed up in a number of ways, but Nagin’s failure to follow the disaster plan is the starting point from which all other problems originate.

    Dave

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>Who’s talking homeland security? I’m talking about local police that have had their funding cut to pay for this homeland bull rap. < <

    Where do you get this crazy information from?

    These are the appropriations from the last three congresses for federal funds to assist state and local police under the DHS.

    2006 - 3.36 billion
    2005 - 2.5 billion
    2004 - 3.63 billion

    That's not exactly chump change.

    >>You’re a judge? Well, a phony good for nothing election judge? So what!< <

    That information only went to my awareness of the balance between democrats and republicans in Texas.

    >> I know our police chief and many local cops and many DPS officers that see things differently than you. < <

    I know our police chief as well, and they're getting enough money from homeland security to increase their force by about 20%.

    >>Homeland security does nothing for local crime.<<

    Well, that’s obviously a lie, given all the massive grants they’ve provided to local authoritiies who’ve chosen to apply. Maybe you should let your local police chief know about the Homeland Security Grant Program for local law enforcement.

    Dave

  • IgnatiusReilly

    “I’m just pointing out where those who are attacking are attacking based on lies and distortions.”

    Have you pointed out anyone on the right?

  • max

    Verified Patriot,
    I am no republican or democrat, but will tell you…That governor of LA IS incompetent! Just listen to her. Just look at her. I think she’s a special ED case.

  • Verified Patriot

    Listen max,

    Our president is special ED. Our ex-FEMA head used to supervise Mr. Ed. The problem with America is we elect officials that make us feel better about ourselves.
    If she was purrty would you care if she was at the president’s tested education level? She does have a conscience.
    And, she doesn’t pretend to have graduated from YALE.
    We can’t stop dumb people from electing dumb people, but we can impose rules on FEMA!!! Dumb people should not work at or manage emergency relief organizations. We can’t let people die because they were born into poverty or are rich dumb brats or because their neighbors elected stupid officials.

    Even Laura Bush calls it Hurricane Karina.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>Have you pointed out anyone on the right?<<

    Yes, many times.

    Dave

  • Luke

    I got a question, when was the last time the president got blamed for a natural disaster, i mean, when was the last time the local government couldn’t handle their shit, and then blamed the president for everything? Plenty of natural disasters have happened, I’m just trying to figure out what past presidents did to make them so overwhelmingly competant in comparison to Mr Bush.

  • Verified Patriot

    President Bush’s “no tree left behind” act is working pretty well against natural disasters. He’s fired more trees that appointees. Score 125,000 to 0.

    You cut down every fourth tree, build a home, with the trees you cut down, and that way the fire can be contained in your bonfire house.

  • max

    Verified Patriot,
    I agree with post #143. No argument from me.
    But, I don’t care how ugly she is …she is still incompetent, slow, and appears to be on drugs.

    Luke,

    The past presidents didn’t go on another vacation and ask…”What problem”. They were not as slow to act. No one blames the storm on anyone. They are being blamed for lack of action. No other president would allow his citizens to starve and die of thirst. There is no excuse.

  • Verified Patriot

    Max,

    If I have to put up with Dick Cheney’s half-paralyzed scowl and go f-yourself ventriloquism act, you can handle whatever problems you have with LA’s governor.

    I have yet to come across a news program that does specials on her and condemns her to the likes of Ozzie Osbourne. Are you watching FOX? CNN?

    It’s one thing to be a bad speaker, it’s another thing to be a bad policy maker.

  • max

    Verified Patriot,
    Fox news is blocked on my set. I hate being lied to, and listening to “talking heads up their a..”. I really only watch the local news. i just saw her talking and thought she had to be on drugs. I’m sorry to hear that you’re sick of Cheney, So am I.
    I didn’t vote for Bush/Cheney…I didn’t vote for your boy Kerry, either.
    I vote constitutionalist when they are on the ballot, then green, then libertarian, then independent…according to who is on the ballot. We don’t get much of a choice here.