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Man Stabbed in Melee at L.A.-Area Rap Awards Show

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SANTA MONICA, Calif. (Reuters) – One man was stabbed and rapper Dr. Dre was punched in the nose during a melee at the second annual Vibe Awards for hip-hop stars at a hangar at Santa Monica Airport on Monday night, police said.

A spokesman for Rap-Tat-Tat Studios, one of the rap industry’s more well known producers immediately released a statement: “this terrible display, along with the killings, knifings, beatings and threats, should not be taken out of context concerning rap music as a whole. There’ve only been about a dozen or so murders, probably only eighty or ninety knifings, while beatings only number in the low hundreds! As a whole these are a really classy group of folks. If you strip away all the foul language, the violence, the near-orgasmic worship of the bling, the complete lack of education and their inability to speak English even at gun-point you essentially have people who are brilliant at seperating mindless teens from their money! And isn’t that what America is ALL about?!”

Late word has it that Dr. Dre was attacked because he has been considering producing a group of “musicians”.

Pop music industry reporters and rappers alike scrambled for dictionaries to look up the word. Dre had been heard commenting earlier that evening that he found someone who could actually sing and some folks that could apparently “play” instruments. Conservatives in the industry voiced their anger at this. Unfortunately we are unable to quote them here. Most of the jargon being used was so new apparently many in the room were unable to decipher what was being said. Others asked who this D’ Cip Her was…

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  • Scoota Rey

    Also, rumor has it that G-Unit member Young Buck stabbed Dre’s assaulter and that there is a warrant out for his arrest.

  • alethinos59

    Yep… Classy people… But we know that Rap doesn’t inspire violence at all! Well, apparently not in the people LISTENING. Apparently it is in the RECORDING and DISTRIBUTION of Rap that violence occurs. Odd…

  • Scoota Rey

    Yeah, I love rap music. I love the hardcore and gangster genre of rap (actually any type as long as it isn’t a club song). But I wouldn’t go out
    selling drugs or go out shooting someone. Personally, I know people who sell drugs and are/were incarcerated. But again, I wouldn’t do stuff like that.

  • alethinos59

    Lots of people do NOT do things and they assume that since THEY do not do them there is no HARM in a certain thing. It is a spin on the 60s/70’s argument that went like this: “I’m not hurting anyone by doing drugs other than myself!”

    Well, when you have MILLIONS saying that and doing it then I am afraid we can all see the stupidity of such a statement. Set aside the whole DEA question: what has been the cost in human life and misery, let alone in $$ by such an attitude? How many lives have been ruined – innocent lives, the lives of children born to these idiots – can anyone count that high?

    The issue is the hypocrisy of the PEOPLE in this area of music – a genre I actually like – when you can find an artist that isn’t utterly disgusting in their lyrics, mannerisms, etc.

    Too many of these hypocrites know full well what affect their words have on the minds and lives of their listeners…

    OK. So you don’t do horrible things based on the music. But the issue isn’t YOU is it? It’s about the kids that think its a wonderful template for life…

    Those who say that the arts have no real “affect” on the masses are lying through their perfect teeth. If there was no influence there’d be no sales would there?

    Did you rush out to buy aluminum siding today? Why not? No doubt because it doesn’t affect you at ALL…

    Even the Nazis knew of the affect of music and images. To suggest that there is no lasting effect… Tell that to the 11 million who died in the camps…

  • Scoota Rey

    Actually MOST (AROUND, I SAY, 99%)people who listen to rap don’t commit violent or socially-immoral acts. Violence in the Black urban race usually comes from poverty, drugs and domestic disputes, NOT hip-hop. Do you think that a man robs another man because of a Mobb Deep song? No, the guy needs (wants) the money.

    See, hip-hop is a REFLECTION of the world around us and it is not hip-hop that influnces people, it is the people who influence hip-hop. Yes, the arts do have an effect on people, but people have a GREATER effect on the arts. The cases where murder is caused by music actually is quite rare but when it DOES happen, the media swarms all over the story and blames the easiest target without really thinking completely about what they’re saying.

  • alethinos59

    You’re missing my point… I never said this music CAUSES people to go out and MURDER.

    Having worked with the desperately poor, of all color, I know where the violence is coming from.

    However, the message conveyed in the music does nothing to pull people UP. If anything too much of it ADMIRES the dreadful acts of violence, sexual abuse, drug use, etc.

    These arguements are used by the people in the industry to shift blame elsewhere.

    Leave aside the White stick-in-the-muds that think we should all be listening to chamber music – so long as it’s not too C R A Z Y!

    This country has a fantastic and rich tradition of music that was developed by African-Americans…. Tell me… How many Jazz, R&B, Funk, Rock musicians have you seen killing one another?

    The people in the Rap industry need to stop ducking the issue: their music too often glories in death, drugs, beastly behavior esp., toward women. You can’t blame this on the STREETS. There was even MORE grinding poverty and prejudice during Louis Armstrong’s day, during Duke Ellington’s day, During Ella’s day…

    These people need to cut the crap and take repsonsibility for their actions.

    It isn’t about getting rid of RAP. It’s about changing RAP’S message…

  • Ain’t buyin’ it, Scoota. Maybe 3,000 people make up the inner rap community — producers, artists and industry employees. That’s probably generous. If one were to compile a list of persons in the rap community convicted of serious crimes, it would include at least 25-30 percent of that inner circle. Just this week alone, several rap artists went to prison. One, just released from prison, died. Several others are being sought for alleged violent crimes.

    There’s no sweeping it under the rug. Rap recruits people with some deep psychological problems that come out in violence. I believe that relates back to what Alethino said about their lack of attributes overall. Look at a group of musicians and you would not see this degree of pathology. The word ‘thug’ is thrown around lightly, but the violence tells the real story.

    Meanwhile, rap music leadership lies about what is going on while counting its money.

  • Scoota Rey

    I don’t know. Call me whatever you want, but I kinda enjoy listening to rappers when they’re aggressively negative. It’s entertaining to me. I need music like this to zone out to when I have a shitty day. It prevents me from going over the edge and snapping on some asshole who thinks he’s better than everyone else.

    Honestly, if rap was completely uppeity-positive, then it would, to be frank, suck. Maybe it’s part of human nature, but I like when rappers rap about that stuff. As long as they don’t go doing it in reality.

    Not saying that positive rap sucks, but you do need something to reflect anger.

    I do agree with you about how people shouldn’t do what they in their raps. That’s how Tupac died.

  • Scoota Rey

    Mac Diva, once again I do think that rappers shouldn’t do the things that they rap about, but they should continue rapping about the stuff they rap about.

    Also, there is a lot of positivity in rap. It’s just that the negative aspect is gobbled up by the media.

    Mac Diva, me having rapping as a hobby, I would have to say that there’s much more than 3,000 people involved in rap besides being a fan. I’d say about 10 to 15 thousand. You also have independant acts as well in virtually every city.

  • alethinos59

    Scoota – again you fail to miss the point. Look at the Rock of the 60s! It was extremely energetic and in a certain sense “negative”. Negative toward the Power Establishment that was backed my Mighty White Folk – REAL White folk – DICK CHENEY WHITE, get my drift? It was rebeling. It scared the hell out of a lot of people – but overall the message was WE NEED A CHANGE!

    That’s not coming out of Rap. At least the vast majority of rap isn’t about that at all…

    I know what you mean about needing that GRIND to help you. Good god! If I had to listen to Donnie and Marie I’d put a gun to my head…

    The Rap that has been about CHANGE about pulling the people OUT of the horror of their present lives – that is the Rap that needs AIR TIME. The Rap that is ANGRY at the MAN and offers a POSTIVE revolution TO CHANGE THINGS.

    Do you see where I am going with this?

  • alethinos59

    HA! That was good… I meant failed to GET the point…

    Cont on there Scoota

  • MacDiva this might bother you… I agree 100% with your entirely sensible and totally correct comment.

    Rap does not have to be violent and negative, after all there are great rap/hip-hop artists like De La Soul and others… I have to admit a certain weakness for DLS.

  • I am disappointed by this news. As a very casual (white) fan of rap, it really frustrates me to see rap artists constantly proving the stereotype.

    Russel Simmons has been very active getting together the biggest minds of rap and black communities to discuss the problems of young black America (and of course Bill Cosby too)… well here is your next topic Russel:

    oh, and for the record… Bill Cosby is dead on with his comments and concerns, as this event perfectly illustrated.

  • Eric Olsen

    Mac’s right on this one

  • No one mentioned that some of the first comments that came out about what happened were from Suge Knight. There’s credibility just oozing out of that..When I read that I just thought ..”oh shit…he’s involved”…

  • Scoota Rey

    Oh well, I don’t care anymore. As long as they make good music.

    Well, actually I do care because this stuff can destroy hip-hop, but what can I do?

  • alethinos59

    I suggest speaking out about it to your friends that enjoy Rap… Write a few letters to the editor of various music magazines… Get people talking about it. Peer pressure is an amazing thing. It can take time on a wide scale but trust me – the market responds – so terrified are they of losing a $. If, when you discuss it you make it apparent that such action is disgusting and NOT COOL on ANY level… That message will infect others…

  • Scoota Rey

    Yeah, that’s a good idea.

  • This has been widely cited so as to be trite, but something like 80% of rap sales come from white suburban males.

    That’s a whole other discussion that involves many other factors, but it shows how largely irrelevant your chicken-and-egg discussion of rap and black violence is.

    That is all.

  • Some evidence Suge might be involved:

    Stephanie Cole – Clear Channel News
    A warrant has been issued for the arrest of G-Unit rapper Young Buck in connection with the stabbing that occurred at the 2nd Annual Vibe Awards.
    MTV.com is reporting that the Santa Monica Police Department reviewed a videotape of the 20 minute melee that occurred on Monday, and believe the Nashville-bred MC stabbed 26-year-old Jimmy James Johnson.
    Johnson, who is reportedly a member of rap mogul Suge Knight’s entourage, allegedly started the violence by striking rapper/producer Dr. Dre before Snoop Dogg and Quincy Jones presented him with a lifetime achievement award.

  • Scoota Rey

    Hey, Bob, just shut up okay? Rap was created by blacks and is mostly intended for minorities living the urban life. I take your comment racially and I feel belittled as a black person who listens to rap and understands what people are talking about. Our conversation was not irrelevant but important because it deals with a major issue.

    You’re making me feel like the white man controls everything. I know it sounds crazy, but it is.

  • Bob is right. Most rap music is purchased by white teens and youths, usually male. I think that is particularly true of gangster rap. The longterm effect of this may not be more violence from that demographic, but it does reinforce negative stereotypes about African-Americans. The white males buying the music get to project their on aggression onto black males. Visit any racist site, and you will see people holding forth as if the microcosm of nothing but misogyny, sex and violence depicted in gangster rap is all that exists in African-American culture. Most of those people are never going to read a book by Edward Jones, Roger Mosley or Toni Morrision, watch a movie such as Amistad or Beloved, or even listen to the artists of the concurrent neo-soul renaiisance. The gangster rap fans of today will be hiring people for jobs five or 10 years from now. When a black person is sitting in front of them for an interview, they will see the stereotype from a rap video, not the individual. This may already be occurring. Actions have consequences.

  • Scoota Rey

    I don’t think all white people buy rap albums because of that. Probably only a very small percentage. I know white people who listen to rap and they’re cool with other races.

    Oh, yeah. You misspelled “renaissance”.