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Greetings, gentle Readers…

Well now, News just coming from Connecticut, Joe Lieberman has conceded the democratic primary for his 18 year held Senate seat…

The common consensus is that this Race wound up as a Referendum within the Dem party on the Administration's "invade Iraq/war on terror" policies.

Now, for the Record, I've never been a Lieberman fan… he's always seemed to epitomize many of the things I find wrong within the Dem party… you know, the DLC crowd (that's democratic leadership council…not really an official part of the Party structure, aka the DiNos).

The very Interesting aspect of this Race is the quite clear Fact that the Net CAN make a difference in a race… this was Hinted at during the Dean primary campaign in '04…in which the ex-governor of Vermont had a shot until an Intern made the poor decision of sending in a feed that had Dean's microphone on, and NO crowd noise…which, after over 600 plays in a week on CNN alone, made him look like a true blue KooK…

Now, Lieberman is vowing to run for the Senate seat as an Independent… some more cynical double dipping a la his simultaneous VP and Senate runs in '00.

Would that Joe put that aside, but he won't…whether it's from Principle… or whether it is to please his Masters in the Insurance lobby, who've been pulling his strings for years (among others).

This is not to say that your humble Narrator doesn't think that Joe has done some very good things over his 18 years, just that HOW he has done some of it, Why, and in many cases, the nuts and bolts of, What he has done, in totality, doesn't sit that well.

But hey… I don't live in Connecticut, and if he Represented his constituency to their Liking, he gets the Job.

Tonight, the Dems of that state have spoken clearly with their Votes… they want someone else for the Job.

BC's own RJ Elliott did an Article weeks ago about this very Possibility… and, of course, he speculated that the Events of this evening might just lead to a GOP win for the seat in November…

Low probability, but it IS possible… props to RJ.

What excites me is the fact that it appears that the rank and file might just be taking back some control over the Dem Party from the DLC's crusty grip.

And with the state of the Dems these last few years, and some of the blunders their "leadership" have made… this can only be seen as a good Thing for the American political process.

This should make November's elections very Interesting indeed!

Just my one sixth billionths of the World's opinion…

Your mileage may vary.

Excelsior?

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  • IgnatiusReilly

    It does my heart good to see the demonstration that term limits are not the answer to bettering our country but an active and engaged citizenry.

    It was interesting to hear Joe spin his independent campaign being about changing the tone of politics and working together across party lines. I always love to see these entrenched politicians play the outsider card. He is more concerned about retaining power for himself rather than the Democrats. I am slightly disappointed in his decision to continue running, but as a closet political junkie, Iam sure it will be intriguing reality TV.

    I must admit that when I look at this piece’s title, I read it backwards and in the voice of Howard Cosell.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    Well, at least Cynthia McKinney still has her — …oh.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Aw, geez man…if you’re gonna cite my article without linkage, couldn’t you at least spell my name right? ;-)

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    When he announced he’d run as an independent if he lost, he doomed himself. No one can support someone who’d run out on his own party before he even wins/loses the party, so how can they expect him to be loyal?

    It’s like falling in love with a girl that you know plays around, how can you ever depend on her?

    Tantum meus sententia
    Jet

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    Ignatius… Cosell?.. damn, i missed that Trick!

    and RJ…sorry about the spelling bit, but you KNOW i am a shit speller…. i blame the Editor!!! at least i gave ya yer due fer calling it weeks in advance….geeez

    Jet, good Points raised…

    now, we will see how Joe plays it out, the more i think about it, the more it looks like he should just eat it and bow out…. mebbe challenge one of the new england governors, perhaps?

    but, then agani, i’ve disliked Lieberman fer a while, and thought he brought less than nothing to the ticket in ’00.. about on par with Edwards

    in other words, useless

    but i got this up minutes after the *concession* speech, while heavily medicated…and all the while rather incredulous about the tone and content of Lieberman’s ravings…

    the next few months should be Fun for us political junkies

    after all, it’s been what, over 30 years since a sitting senator was beaten in a Primary?

    good times, kiddies

    Excelsior?

  • Maurice

    How did the net make a difference in this race?

    I got your example of Dean but didn’t see the corresponding case for Lieberman…

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    good Question Maurice… allow me to extrapolate…

    a few months ago, when Lamont first got into the race, no one even knew who he was, outside of being a successful businessman in the cable industry

    so his campaign started quite small, and outside fo regular Party channels… beginning with his own cash, as far as i can tell

    in the early stages of his campaign, it was the bloggers who talked about the campaign, did interviews, and got his message otu there to the primary voters… he began to gain standing in the polls, but was dismissed by the Lieberman campaign, after all… no one had beaten a sitting senator in a primary since the 70’s

    but the *netroots* style got rolling, and lead to a real grassroots movement … the buzz from the Net campaign caught on, and even brought some national attention… once the MSM caught on, name recognition got even bigger, culminating ni not only funds raised via the Net, but as we saw last night, a 52%-48% win in the primary

    now, i know there were some grumblings fo4m the Lieberman campaign about their own website going down yesterday… and they even accused Lamont , or his supporters, of “hacking” the website

    the Facts turn out to show that the Liberman site was a $15 a month cheap hosting with limited bandwidth and multiple websites on the single server… no “denial of service” attack needed, with a limited bandwidth connection, all it woudl take would be a bunch of attempts at connection from Lieberman folks, or reporters… as best as i can determine, less than 100 connection attempts would have exceeded bandwidth limits, and knocked out the server…

    on the good side, some bright folks brought out the Google cached version and got it back up

    so, to my analysis, the Net and those who write, blog, communicate and donate politically using the Net, provided a large enough Variable in this Primary to actually turn the tide and make political History fo rthe first time in over 30 years…

    to me , that’s a very good Thing

    my Opinion is that for far too long, the gerrymandering and elites of both Parties have been systemically ruining our political process

    and i consider the Net the greatest Revoloution to this process since the Gutenberg printing press

    just as mass produced books brough Knowledge and Reading to the masses, so too does the Net bring personal interaction and expression of Opinions in the political arena here in the U.S. , as well as the chance to more directly communicate with Candidates and each other

    this is just a sign of the first drips leaking from the *dam* of the Parties makings… the taking down of an Insider, a piece of the Machine, by an outside candidate in a Primary

    finally folks have been able to express their Concerns at the ballot box, and via the organization of the Netroots portion of the campaign , do so effectively

    just a Thought

    Excelsior?

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    I think this line says it all.

    “I don’t live in Connecticut, and if he Represented his constituency to their Liking, he gets the Job.”

    To steal another one of your lines, quoted for truth.

    I never understood the generic “how many seats will they pick up?” because of how loaded a question that is. I don’t know how many congresspeople are up for re-election but each individual race is different than the next and they’re not all exactly based on partisan reasons. For instance, I am quite content with my Democrat representative.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    i’m with ya there Suss…

    here in Maine we have two GOP senators…Snowe i like and vote for, Collins i do not like and vote against…

    but i’m and Independant, and usually don’t have anyone to vote for

    but there’s always someone to vote against

    my Hope from this Primary is that this trend can be reversed, by being able to bypass the political machines, and actually see the Will of the constituency voiced and represented, it is my Thought that we will get a better grade of Candidates… hopefully folks who are more Interested in getting the work of the People done, and less concerned with their own political careers

    but, i’m such a sucker for the “citizen-statesman” who serves for a while and goes the fuck Home, and back to a regular Life

    we ain’t seen their like in a while… and i think it’s long past time when we need some “Mr Smiths” to go to Washington

    Excelsior?

  • Clavos

    but, i’m such a sucker for the “citizen-statesman” who serves for a while and goes the fuck Home, and back to a regular Life

    Quoted for…well, you know

    Way back when I was a kid (a looooong time ago!), my Dad used to talk about that, too.

    You’re both right.

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    I understood Lamont also campaigned from a “block Walmart” position. Any comments about this? (You noted that Lamont was a successful businessman in the cable industry, but didn’t mention that he also owns a good-sized chunk of Walmart stock…)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    that’s cuz i didn’t know about it DrPat!

    since i am not in Connecticut, i haven’t placed Lamont under my normal scrutiny when it comes to folks i am going to vote for, or against…

    i did state my personal Opinion that i was glad the Primary appears to have served it’s proper function in choosing a Candidate who more accurately represents his Constituency

    but as to all the details and nuances of the campaigns in that State, well… that wasn’t my Concern, nor the point of my little Opinion piece here…

    but i do thank you very much for bringing more Info to the discussion… now i’m just gonna hafta do some reading up i guess…

    Excelsior?

  • Nancy

    I actually stayed up to hear the election results – from a whole ‘nother state, at that! I wasn’t surprised at Lieberman’s loss, but I was astonished that the normally torpid American voter had bestirred their usually lethargic butts to get out & remind Joe Lieberman that he was NOT above those from whence he came, that his tenure was NOT permanent, and that, in the long (too long) run, they still had the last word. Now THAT heartens me beyond belief.

    It seems to me that most if not all of our congressmaggots, shortly after arriving on The Hill, become infected with something I call Congressional Fever. The symptoms include a sense of being privileged, entitlement to be grovelled to & fawned on, to receive special treatment even at the expense of others who were ahead of them, immunity from the law, exemption from having to extend basic courtesies or cleave to basic decent civilities, or anything else they don’t like. Subsequently they feel free to vote themselves large perks & salary increases, to help themselves at the public trough, to accept any amount of bribery, gifts, travel, cash, food, or other valuables in exchange for the glory of their presence, or influence, or what have they; to lose all sense of shame, ethics, honesty, or normality insofar as norms of morals, mores, & ethics go, together with developing a sudden disdain for & utter forgetfulness of those “little people” who put them in office, so that letters from same are answered by forms (if at all), and barriers are quick to be erected to keep the hoi polloi away from the sacred carcass of the pol & his/her family.

    It isn’t until their overprivileged, overpaid, overentitled hides are endangered that they suddenly develop a positive affection for the unwashed masses who vote them in or out, and it isn’t until they’re in their last political extremity that they deign to actually discuss or answer questions that concern the hoi polloi (jobs, health insurance, gas prices, housing, government ineptitude/indifference in crises, etc.), instead of keeping only to the non-specific BS script their handlers have written for their aggrandizement & sound bites. It goes without saying they never accept any kind of responsibility for having done absolutely NOTHING to earn the hundreds of thousands if not millions they’ve garnered at public expense; but at least they’re (sometimes) forced into a corner where the issue won’t go away, and are left with the certain knowledge that this is going to contribute to their political demise at the polls.

    I DO hope this election – and that of the ever charming, courteous Ms. McKinney – fires a major cannon of a wakeup call to each and every maggot currently occupying a seat on The Hill, and sets them to trembling, as well they should. Hopefully, the electorate (across the boards and party lines) is rousing & many of those currently comfortably ensconced at the public trough are going to find themselves shortly standing in line at the public unemployment office instead.

    Now, wouldn’t it be loverly?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    heh…

    we can only Hope so, Nancy

    but don’t pull any punches, grrrlll…tell us how ya really feel

    /ducks

    and yeah, i was up till the Concession, and typed this between Lieberman’s bullshit , self serving *concession* and Lamont’s acceptance

    now it’s all buzzing around the MSM and we will see hwo it plays out in November

    Excelsior?

  • Nancy

    A friend of mine who liveso outside New London tells me voter turnout was unusually high, & most people seem to be in a no-nonsense, don’t-jerk-me-around mood, which was not helped by Lieberman spending so much time trying to avoid the issues & spoon-feed everyone the usual happy pap, until finally at the last minute (literally) when he was so cornered he figured he’d at least have to acknowledge the subject – which just made my friend even madder at him. So when she went to the polls, she figured it was about time ol’ Joe got a dose of reality & a strong reminder who REALLY is boss – and it ain’t him, and it ain’t Junior. She says IF he straightens out & does a major about-face as far as attitude she MAY think about voting for him again, but it’s unlikely he will, therefore it’s unlikely she will. She does think he needs to re-align himself with the GOP; that he’s no Dem & hasn’t been for some time, and for him to keep on presenting himself as a Dem is dishonest, at least.

    Don’t know anyone in McKinney’s area, alas. I’d love to hear from rank & file voters there on what the scoop is. I suspect the same: they’re sick of her Kiss My Ass attitude – especially because it includes THEM!

    I don’t know how much of my thinking is wishful, but I strongly suspect (& wildly hope) what all this means is that incumbents are going down this fall, & there’s going to be an awful lot of anguish in political Mudville, USA when the various incumbents reap the fruits of their non-labors, posturings, & empty rhetoric.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    on the side note of “oh my website got haXXzored!” we have an article here… that shows the ability to ping the servers involved to cut through the geek speak there, it shows that the servers were more than likely NOT “hacked” or attacked with a “denial of service” by flooding…

    just trying to keep details straight, since i normally don’t do “news”

    Excelsior?

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “it’s been what, over 30 years since a sitting senator was beaten in a Primary?”

    Bob Smith was beaten by Sununu way back in 2002…

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “here in Maine we have two GOP senators…Snowe i like and vote for, Collins i do not like and vote against…”

    What’s the difference? Both are pro-choice, female, liberal Republicans…

    “but i’m and Independant, and usually don’t have anyone to vote for”

    Didn’t Maine have an Independent Governor a few years back?

  • http://www.jackejett.com jack jett

    lieberman is clearly a pawn of the right wingers.
    they will play their tricks to get him elected, however, america is waking up to this shit. he caused al gore to loose the election. he can not be trusted.
    kissing bush …not good
    lieberman…not good.

    israel…not good.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    RJ in #17… that was a primary defeat? ok, then i stand corrected…thanks

    RJ in #18….

    there ARE differences between the two Maine senators… and yes, there was an Independant governor, Angus King… i didn’t really like him either, for various reasons… but he had been the least worst choice at the time…. just cuz he was an I didn’t automatically make him “good” , imo

    and for #19… seek help

    Excelsior?

  • http://parodieslost.typepad.com Mark Schannon

    There’s one element of Lamont’s campaign that’s not been talked about. The bloggers may have got him going, but he pulled in some of the top state politicos and developed a near-perfect grassroots, retail campaign, with ward bosses (in effect), highly sophisticated computerized voter rolls, tons of neighborhood meetings, house-to-house canvassing, and terrific message and campaign discipline.

    Elections are about getting your voters to the polls & Lamont did that.

    But…I still think Smokin’ Joe still wins in a three-way race…but I’m not willing to be more than one bottle of Gonzo’s single malt on that.

    In Decaf Veritas

  • Nancy

    It will be interesting to see if it is galvanized voters or just party mechanics as usual. It will also be interesting to see if it spreads elsewhere. People all over seem pretty irritated with their dear elected reps lately, & not in a forgiving mood.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    and all this pertinent discussion is washed away by today’s headlines involving the capture of 21 people in the UK

    good job to Brit Intel… seems they have been tracking these people for months

    and announced the bust around 5 am EST, just in time to completely take over today’s news cycle

    don’t get me wrong, i am very glad a potential Threat was nullified… and i hope this one is more solid than the last one in florida

    we can only hope it leads to catching “bigger fish” (from what has been released so far, the 21 are UK citizens of Pakistani descent)

    but the timing bugs me… i guess i’m just Paranoid

    here’s to Hope

    Excelsior?

  • http://culturesalad.blogspot.com/ Ray Ellis

    why does the timing bug you, Gonzo?

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    The timing is a bit convenient because news outlets will now talk about the air travel situation and the war on terror, leaving less time for them to talk about the Bush administration probably losing one of its staunchest allies within the Democratic Party.

  • Clavos

    Niccolo lives…

  • http://culturesalad.blogspot.com/ Ray Ellis

    Oh, I see.. so the terrorists should have had the courtesy to time their planned attacks so as not to interfere with midterm elections.
    Sorry, I thought they would have at least realized how important a mealy-mouthed senator losing a primary was in the scope of global events.
    My bad, I guess..

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    Oh, please! Ray, the terrorists aren’t in on the conspiracy. Not in most versions anyway. It’s the timing of the arrests that tweaks the conspiracy theorist’s mind.

    Why did the British Intel agents wait all these many months they’ve been tracking the terrorists, and then suddenly arrest them now, at exactly the right time to push Lieberman’s loss out of the news cycle? This is precisely the sort of “coincidence” many conspiracy theorists use their limited supply of skepticism on.

    Of course I’m only speculating about why the timing of these events bugs Gonzo. Maybe it’s something completely different.

  • http://culturesalad.blogspot.com/ Ray Ellis

    I hope you realize my comment was meant in the best interest of satire–there is no damn conspiracy. The universe does not move according to American political whims.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    The beauty of conspiracy theories is that they can explain anything and everything. The complete lack of any evidence for them is taken as proof of how successful they are.

    There are probably even a few theorists who think the terrorists are in on the conspiracy. Some might think terrorists are actively trying to interfere with the Democratic Party’s political campaigns, because the military adventurism of the Republicans is the terrorists’ best recruiting tool.

    That’s hardly much of a stretch for a subculture with members believing there are alien beings who travel across the vast gulf of interstellar space mainly to investigate the contents of the human rectum.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    ok…sorry i’ve been away for the day…

    as for the Question… it is about the Timing…

    from wat we know so far, MI5 knew about this ring for at least 4 months, some sources imply that there is at least one Brit Intel agent inside the gang itself (remind you of the Florida group with the FBI agent posing as an al Qaeda recruiter?)

    acording to Chertoff yesterday, the Administration knew about all of this for at least a few weeks, and some sources are reporting (see Time magazine’s article) that the WH called the play as to when the arrests were made

    due note that AFTER the decision (according to this hypothetical timeline) was made for the arrests, Cheney, Melman (the RNC chair) and Tony Snow (WH press secretary) ALL publicly made very strong statements concerning these matters and then, 5 am EST the arrests were announced, the day after the primary

    now… i ain’t “theorizing” that anybody has done anything here… all i was saying was that once again, when the Administration has it’s metaphorical back against the Wall, some convenient “terrorist” bust comes up… of course , each and every one since 2002 has been “the worst since 9/11″ (not joking EVERY press conference has said it)

    so i’m just a wee bit skeptical until all the information comes out

    oh yes, and yesterday it was released that the order to the TSA to up the color code alert and get ready to stop liquids was issued sometime sunday/monday

    so… i don’t know… don’t want to “theorize”… but do want to say great job to MI5 for stopping these maggots in the UK…

    oh yes.. and Clavos… i would agree… his wanna be reincarnation would be named Rove… now my Doubt is that even he woudl go as far as the above hypothetical… i just do NOT want to think anyone could be so rotten…

    i just find this another Incident of extremely convenient (read:perfect) timing for this Administration… and note the incident

    your mileage may vary

    Excelsior?

  • Nancy

    I wuz about to point out that of COURSE the WH was in on it, precisely because of the statement attacking the Dems (somehow an in-house Dem issue has become a GOP issue on human rights for dissenting party members – what a laugh!) issued the next day by Cheney & his various dogs. Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if, closer to the election, some really alarming attacks were either carried out or thwarted, perhaps even Osama bin Laden captured – just coincidentally when it is most expedient for Bush to have something to parade to the gullible American public. Someone charted all the times BushCo has been in hot water, or needed a boost, against all the times that – bingo! – an urgent issue tied in w/the war or terrorism surfaced; the correlations are astounding. Conspiracy theory? No: conspiracy fact.

    I personally wouldn’t be surprised to find BushCo (probably Cheney again, Dubya isn’t devious enough to think like this) is the one bankrolling bin Laden to stay hidden, or using the CIA to instigate attacks, etc., conveniently & precisely for the WH to use as ammo to stampede the public. An administration that doesn’t hesitate to dump the constitution & the law to spy on its own citizens & bypass congress & the courts, and has not hesitated to lie, cheat, or otherwise twist or fabricate evidence in order to start a bogus war over fake WMDs, is not going to cavil at a few little things like a “terrorist” incident or two to help their cause, now are they? I think not.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Nancy – You’re delusional. And you’re a Lamont supporter. But I repeat myself… ;-)

  • Nancy

    I am neither: not being a citizen of CT, I am not a supporter of Lamont, since I can’t vote there; as for the rest, I’m just citing the facts of what turned up when things were laid out in print…. Coincidence? Possibly, but not likely.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    just re-read the Article once again, and notice someone has gone and fucked with my weird stylings of Capitalization of words

    BOO non-comprehending editor(s)!

    HOORAY Beer!

    Excelsior?

  • http://culturesalad.blogspot.com/ Ray Ellis

    Thank whatever deity the editors might worship!

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Gonzo, I was the original editor who published it pretty much as you wrote it. A subsequent editor decided to change it to a more normal configuration. There has been some discussion of this on the editors email list. For their edification I’d love to hear your argument as to why your nonstandard punctuation and capitalization has real value and should be permitted when we expect everyone else to do their best to conform to certain standards.

    Dave

  • mike

    why is it so hard to understand that besides some hype with war on terror by republican party, there actually does exist real war between islam and the rest of the world. there is house of islam and house of war, a well known doctrine with islamists. its not just middle east, its in north caucus in russia, its in georgia, its in thailand its in philipines its in indonesia, africa, even as far way places as trinidad which had like 10000 muslims at most.and as much as conspiracy theorists believe that its bush and blair, can tyhey explain why things happpen in countries not even connected to us in any way. is china a us allie, why are uighurs became islamized. india is fairly neutral to us in fact its main enemy is pakistan supported by us, yet islamists are there?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    for Dave in #37…

    thank you for the clarification, and that was pretty much what i had figured out…

    as for “justification, besides it bein gmy personal “style”…

    might i ask said Editors that Be if they woudl go and change such things in an e.e.cummings poem?

    now..fixxing spelling…i don’t mind a bit, i have been trying to go over my stuff that’s Posted to correct egregious dyslexic spelling errors…

    even when one of my headlines was changed for Capitalization, i didn’t mind to much

    but in the body of the Text?

    my Reasoning is such.. i utilize unique stylings of punctuation and capitalization for the purposes of Emphasis and sometimes dramatic Effect

    the very Fact that my stylings sit outside of conceptual norms for such purposes alone is a Statement of Art as well as a personal choice of style.. this is similar to my propensity to CENTER JUSTIFY my text… the Pun is the thing there, as well as overall visual *feel*

    in closing, and as usul.. it does defeat much of my Purpose to have to explain it all, much of it is esoterica i leave for the gentle Reader to ponder or not, as they choose

    but i will say, if it is Policy to change such things in my text, then i will stick to Commentary and stay away from actually publishing Articles so as to avoid the Conflict between editorial Policy and my own artistic expression in Prose

    i do hope that makes Sense, and please feel free to either Post the decision on this Thread or e-mail me of the bigwigs Decision on this matter

    side note: thanks Dave…much Appreciated

    Excelsior?

  • http://culturesalad.blogspot.com/ Ray Ellis

    Gonzo, your “style” is pretentious at best, and headache-inducing as well. At worst, it serves as a creative equivalent to masturbation.
    Re-inventing the language as your own personal palette serves no purpose beyond self-gratification. To justify it as “art” is doubly insulting.
    This isn’t the seventies, and underground hippie reporting serves no purpose beyond showing there are still a few stoners among us.

    Excelsior, my ass…

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    hey Ray…don’t sugar coat it, tell me how ya really feel…

    as far as pretentious, your own judgemental and authoratarian tone can just kiss my astronomical sense of good taste and if you do not like the way i screed i make one suggestion…

    don’t fucking read it

    now, allow me to fetxch the jaws of life so we can remove that sewing needle from your overly tightly wound sphincter…

    ya will feel better, trust me

    Excelsior?

  • http://culturesalad.blogspot.com/ Ray Ellis

    I’m not sure what an “astronomical sense of good taste” is–I’m guessing it’s something cosmic that only you are privvy to, so I won’t comment on that.
    Of course, I’m judgmental–it’s part of the job description for critics. “Authoritarian” though– you might want to look up that word.

    The fact remains that you fall back on “stylistic” phrasings to cover up a multitude of insecurities regarding your position.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    again, you remain factually Incorrect

    first example: i am not, never have been, and will never be… mistaken for any kind of “hippy”

    and my Positions have remained pretty Consistent by any reasonable Standard you could utilize to formulate an Objective opinion

    click the lil URL under my name, it takes you to my BC author’s page… try actually reading what some of my “positions” are… then we can talk again

    until then.. much Appreciation for your seemingly biased opinion… i’ll give It the consideration that it’s due…

    and continue to go on my merry Way, and type how i fucking please in my feeble attempts at Communication and Understanding…

    oh yes… and telling you to “kiss my *ass-tronomical* good taste (geeez…. i can’t believe i hafta spell that one out for you) was a bit of a Jest… you can scrape it off your ceiling later as is convenient…

    thanks for the Dance…. do come again

    Excelsior?

  • Liberal

    Lieberman went down?!?!???

    I saw the picture of him kissing GW, but I didn’t realize that he actually…ewwwwww!!!

  • SonnyD

    Editors: Please leave Gonzo’s “styling” alone. He has a unique personality that can only be expressed by the way he writes. There are already too many people in this country who are trying to force us all to act like cookie-cutter copies of one another. I didn’t think BC would be another.

    Helping an inexperienced writer learn the conventional rules of writing so as to express him/herself more clearly is one thing. Messing with someone who knows what he’s doing is not necessary.

    Oh, yeah. Fix the spelling.

  • IgnatiusReilly

    Ray is certainly one to know pretension as he describes himself on his blog with the following:

    raconteur. bon vivant. writer. photographer. designer. observer. recorder. hired gun in the service of word, sound and image.

    The Duke’s mad scribblings should keep the editors busy.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    SonnyD.. thanks for the vote of Confidence, glad to read ya enjoy my insane keyboard peckings… it is Appreciated more than i can say…

    Ignatious makes an excellent point, the Duke is Supreme in his stylings… made even more Fun by the very fact that he does couch it within the normal parameters of conventional writing for contrast…

    me… well, those who read me, know how bizzare my Style is… some like it, some don’t

    but Truth be told, it IS done more for my own Enjoyment than anything else, there is also the Hope that by going way beyond the “box” it induces the Reader to think outside of convention for a Moment…

    now…i have some Thoughts and findings i was going to make into it’s own Article in the last few days, but since there has been no Resoloution on the Issue of Editing…

    i’ll just put it here and hope some folks find it…

    the GOP playing Politics with Terror

    ok.. there has been a lot of back and forth, and most folks won’t even say out loud that the leadership of the GOP is manipulating timing and sometimes Events concerning Terror to further their own political goals…

    so yer gonzo has done some digging, and found very disturbing Facts…

    first, this Memo from the RNC…

    *MEMO

    To: GOP Campaigns

    From: NRCC Communications

    Re: Vigilance in the Global War on Terror

    Date: August 11, 2006

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Recent events have reminded us that we continue to operate in a pivotal phase in the Global War on Terror.

    In the days to come, you should move to question your opponent’s commitment to the defeat of terror, and in turn, create a definitive contrast on the issue.

    You will certainly benefit from bringing into stark focus the cut-and-run, surrender message that Democrats coast to coast are currently — and foolishly — embracing.

    To aid you in this effort, we are including three key votes related to the War on Terror as well as materials provided by the RNC.

    As always, please feel free to contact the NRCC Communications Division at (202) 479-7070 if you have any questions. *

    there’s more to the memo, with some specific votes and people to hammer on… but the gist of it is right there in black and white in the Quote i just provided

    this shows Motive and Intent, kiddies…

    the disturbing second halg comes frmo a timeline of what the Administration has actually done on at least the ten occasion i will put up here…

    for the Record, i had most of these events in my “newsclipping” bookmarks… the full list as i am going to copy here was gathered by MSNBC for the Keith Olberman show MOnday night… the full transcript can be foundon their website…

    this is scary shit , folks….

    from the transcript…
    *Our third story on the COUNTDOWN, the basis of all this, at heart, remarks made on May 10, 2005, by a former Bush administration official discussing the old color-coded terror threat warning system. More often than not, he said, “We were the least inclined to raise it. Sometimes we disagreed with the intelligence assessment, sometimes we thought even if the intelligence was good, you don‘t necessarily put the country on alert. There were times when some people were really aggressive about raising it. And we said, ‘For that?‘”

    The speaker was the first secretary of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge. In The light of those remarks and his criticism this week of the vice president for politicizing terror in the context of the Connecticut senatorial primary, it is imperative that we exam each of the coincidences of timing since 2002, including the one last week in which excoriating comments by leading Republicans about leading Democrats just happened to precede arrests in vast purported terror plot, arrests that we now know were carried out on timeline requested not by British, nor necessitated by the evidence, but requested by this government.

    We introduce these coincidences to you exactly as we did when we first compiled this top 10 list after the revelation that the announced threats New York‘s subway system, last October, had been wildly overblown. And we do so by reminding you and ourselves, here, that perhaps the simplest piece of wisdom in the world is called “the logic fallacy.” Just because event A occurred and then event B occurs, that does not automatically mean that event A caused event B. But neither does it say the opposite. The “Nexus of Politics and Terror,” please judge for yourself.

    (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

    (voice-over): No. 1, May 18, 2002, the first details of the president‘s daily briefing of August 6, 2001 are revealed, including its title “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in U.S.” The same day another memo is discovered revealing the FBI knew of men with links to al Qaeda training at an Arizona flight school. The memo was never acted upon. Questions about 9/11 intelligence failures are swirling.

    May 20, 2002:

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The terror warnings from the highest levels of the federal government, tonight are…

    OLBERMANN: Two days later, FBI Director Mueller declares that another terrorist attack is “inevitable.”

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tonight there are even more warnings…

    OLBERMANN: The next day, the department of Homeland Security issues warnings of attacks against railroads nationwide and against New York City landmarks, like the Brooklyn Bridge and the Statue of Liberty.

    No. 2, Thursday, June 6, 2002…

    COLEEN ROWLEY, FBI AGENT: I never really anticipated this kind of impact.

    OLBERMANN: Coleen Rowley, the FBI agent who tried to alert her superiors to the specialized flight training taken by Zacarias Moussaoui, who‘s information suggests the government missed a chance to break up the 9/11 plot, testifies before Congress. Senate Committee Chair Graham says, Rowley‘s testimony has inspired similar pre-9/11 whistleblowers.

    Monday June 10, 2002, four days later…

    JOHN ASHCROFT, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: We have disrupted an unfolding terrorist plot.

    OLBERMANN: Speaking from Russia, Attorney General John Ashcroft reveals that an American named Jose Padilla is under arrest, accused to plotting a radiation bomb attack in this country. In fact, Padilla had, by this time, already been detained for more than one month.

    No. 3, February 5, 2003, Secretary of State Powell tells the United Nations Security Council of Iraq‘s concealment of weapons including 18 mobile biological weapons laboratories, justifying a U.N. or U.S. first strike, many in the U.N. are doubtful. Months later, much of the information proves untrue.

    February 7, 2003, two days later, as anti-war demonstrations continue to take place around the globe.

    TOM RIDGE, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: Take some time to prepare for an emergency…

    OLBERMANN: Homeland Security Secretary Ridge cites credible threats by al Qaeda and raises the terror alert level to orange. Three days after that, Fire Administrator David Paulison, who would become the acting head of FEMA after the Hurricane Katrina disaster, advises Americans to stock up on plastic sheeting and duct tape to protect themselves against radiological or biological attack.

    No. 4, July 23, 2003, the White House admits that the CIA, months before the president‘s State of the Unions Address, expressed strong doubts about the claim that Iraq had attempted to buy uranium from Niger.

    On the 24th the Congressional report on the 9/11 attacks is issued. It criticizes government at all levels. It reveals an FBI informant had been living with two of the future highjackers. It concludes that Iraq had no link to al Qaeda. Twenty-eight pages of the report are redacted.

    On the 26th, American troops are accused of the beating Iraqi prisoners.

    July 29, 2003, three days later, amid all of the negative headlines…

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Word of a new possible al Qaeda attack…

    OLBERMANN: Homeland Security issues warnings of terrorist attempts to use airplanes for suicide attacks.

    No. 5, December 17, 2003, 9/11 Commission Co-Chair Thomas Kean says the attacks were preventable. The next day, a federal appeals court says the government cannot detain suspected radiation bomber Jose Padilla indefinitely without charges and the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq, Dr. David Kay, who has previously announced he has found no weapons of mass destruction there, announces he will resign his post.

    December 21, 2003, four days later, the Sunday before Christmas…

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today the United States government raised the national threat level.

    Homed Land Security, again, raises the threat level to orange, claiming credible intelligence of further plots to crash airliners into U.S cities. Subsequently six international flights into this country are canceled after some passenger names purportedly produced matches on government “No-Fly” lists. The French later identified those matched names, one belongs to an insurance salesman from Wales, another to an elderly Chinese woman, a third to a 5-year-old boy.

    No. 6, March 30, 2004 the new chief weapons inspector in Iraq, Charles Duelfer, tells Congress “we have still not found any WMD in that country” and after weeks of having refused to appear before the 9/11 Commission, Condoleezza Rice relents, and agrees to testify.

    On the 31st, four Blackwater USA contractors working in Iraq are murdered, their mutilated bodies dragged through the streets and left on public display in Fallujah. The roll of civilian contractors in Iraq is now widely questioned.

    April 2, 2004…

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI Has issued a new warning tonight…

    OLBERMANN: Homeland Security issues a bulletin warning that terrorists may try to blow up buses and trains using fertilizer and fuel bombs, like the one detonated in Oklahoma City. Bombs stuffed into satchels or duffle bags.

    No. 7, May 16, 2004, Secretary of State Powell, appears on “Meet the Press.” Moderator Tim Russert closes by asking about the enormous personal credibility Powell had placed before the U.N. in laying out a case against Saddam Hussein. An aide to Powell interrupts the question saying the interview is over.

    TIM RUSSERT, “MEET THE PRESS”: I think that was one of your staff Mr. Secretary. I don‘t think that‘s appropriate.

    COLIN POWELL, SECRETARY OF STATE: Get—Emily, get out of the way.

    OLBERMANN: Powell finishes his answer, admitting that much of the information he had been given about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was

    POWELL: …inaccurate and wrong and in some cases deliberately misleading.

    OLBERMANN: On the 21st, new photos showing mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib Prison are released.

    On the 24th “Associated Press” video, from Iraq, confirms U.S. Forces mistakenly bombed a wedding party, killing more than 40.

    Wednesday May 26, 2004, two days later…

    ASHCROFT: God afternoon

    OLBERMANN: Attorney General Ashcroft and FBI Director Mueller warned that intelligence from multiple sources…

    ASHCROFT: Indicates al Qaeda‘s specific intention to hit the United States‘ heart.

    OLBERMANN: And that 90 percent of the arrangement for an attack on the United States were complete. The color coded warning system is not raised. The Homeland Security secretary, Tom Ridge, does not attend the announcement.

    No. 8, July 6, 2004, Democratic presidential candidate, John Kerry selects John Edwards as his vice presidential running mate producing a small bump in the election opinion polls and producing a huge swing in media attention toward the Democratic campaign.

    July 8, 2004, two days later…

    RIDGE: Credible reporting now indicates that al Qaeda is moving forward with its plans to carry out a large-scale attack in the United States…

    OLBERMANN: Homeland Secretary Ridge warns of information about al Qaeda attacks during the summer or autumn. Four days after that, the head of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, DeForest Soaries Jr. confirms he has written to Ridge about the prospect of postponing the upcoming president election in the event it is intercepted by terrorist acts.

    No. 9, July 29, 2004, at their party convention in Boston, the Democrats formally nominate John Kerry as their candidate for president. As in the wake of any convention the Democrats now dominate the media attention over the subsequent weekend.

    August 1, 2004, Monday morning, three days later.

    RIDGE: It is as reliable as source—group of sources that we‘ve ever seen before.

    OLBERMANN: The department of Homeland Security raises the alert status for financial centers in New York, New Jersey, and Washington to orange. The evidence supporting the warning, reconnaissance data left in a home in Iraq. Later proves to be roughly four years old and largely out of date.

    No. 10, October 6, 2005, 10:00 a.m. Eastern Time, the president addresses the National Endowment for Democracy, once again emphasizing the importance of the war on terror and insisting his government has broken up at least 10 terrorist plots since 9/11.

    At 3:p.m. Eastern Time, five hours after the president‘s speech had begun, the “Associated Press” reports that Karl Rove will testify again to the CIA leak grand jury and that Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald has told Rove he cannot guaranteed that he will not be indicted.

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We‘re awaiting a news conference at the bottom of the hour…

    OLBERMANN: At 5:00 17 p.m. Eastern Time, seven hours after the president‘s speech has begun, New York officials disclose a bomb threat to the city‘s subway system, based on information supplied by the federal government. A Homeland Security spokesman says the intelligence upon which the disclosure is based is of “doubtful credibility.” And it later proves that New York City had known of the threat for at least three days and had increased police presence in the subways long before making the announcement at that particular time.

    Local New York television station WNBC reports it had the story of the threats days in advance of the announcement, but was asked by high ranking federal officials in New York and Washington to hold off on its story. Less than four days after having revealed the threat, Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York says, “Since the period of the threat now seems to be passing, I think over the immediate future we will be slowly be winding down the enhanced security.” While news organizations ranging from the “New York Post” to NBC NEWS, quotes sources who say there were reasons to believe the informant who triggered the warning simply made up. A senior U.S. counter-terrorism official tells the “New York Times,” “there was no there, there.”

    (END VIDEOTAPE)

    In all fairness, as we observe last October and we observer again tonight, we could possibly construct a similar timeline of terror events and warnings and their relationship to the opening of new chain stores around the country. But if merely a reasonable case could be made that any of these juxtapositions of events are more than just coincidences, especially the one last week in which terror policy was again injected directly into a political race, it underscores the need for questions to be asked in this country, questions about what is prudence and what is fear-mongering.

    Also here, the bombing is over in the Mideast, but there is still palpable fear that the cease-fire won‘t last. We‘ll have the latest from the region including the word of some rockets in the air.*

    i know..it’s long…but well worth the read, and the Facts check out… far too many Incidents to even try and explain it away as “coincidence”

    but the very real and disturbing Implications shoudl be enough to give ANY person who is honest with themselves a bit of a pause when considering the actions of this Administration, and coupled with the RNC memo, the entire GOP leadership

    something to Think about…

    Excelsior?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    just so it doesn’t get missed, in comment #47 above, i put an Article… the GOP playing politics with Terror…

    be afraid, be very afraid…

    Excelsior?