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Throughout history, liberals have always had to drag our conservative counterparts into the future, like parents dragging their stubborn children to nap time.

Rebellion from monarchy, establishment of the United States, ending slavery, votes for black men, end of child labor, votes for women, pants for women, 40-hour work week, end of Jim Crow, Roe v. Wade, end of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, etcetera, etcetera, ad infinitum. As society matures, policies necessarily liberalize. And like stubborn children, conservatives have always used the same tired arguments for the status quo, kicking and screaming the whole way. But please don’t mistake this for a simple, Fox Newsian, name-calling metaphor because at this particular moment in history, nap time in political terms is critical, and we will drag conservatives to it.

We have reached a point in global society in which we can no longer afford to keep things the way they are. In no particular order, here is an abbreviated list of the critical problems conservatives in this country continue to ignore:

• Population dynamics are changing: Our society is aging, Americans are having fewer babies, and boomers are reaching retirement. What’s the problem? More retirees means that the social services we continue to cut will be strained to the breaking point, that there are fewer workers than we need to replace the retiring workforce, and that immigrants will become our only source of fresh, young workers.

• The income gap is widening: The rich are getting richer and the poor are growing in number. What’s the problem? Perpetuating this plutocratic society in which the wealthiest 1% of Americans own more wealth than the bottom 95% combined is unstable at best and undemocratic by any definition. Perpetuating the myth that TeShaun Brown, son of a single mother on welfare from Southside Chicago, has the exact same chance in life as Donald Trump’s kid exacerbates this problem.

• Our environment is in peril: We are facing critical water shortages, a solid waste problem in which we generate an unsustainable amount of waste given current landfill capacity, unsustainable energy consumption, outdated energy production, and climate change. What’s the problem? Continuing to debate objectively verifiable evidence because it’s inconvenient to do so is only making matters worse, and worse still as the years tick by.

• Health care costs are rising: In part because we have a rapidly aging society, in part because we have such poor nutrition, and in part because our system is privatized, the United States pays more per capita for health care than any other industrialized nation in the world. What’s the problem? The number of uninsured (myself included) is growing, health care costs are out of control, and more people are facing the choice between food and medicine.

• Globalization is a fact: It does us no good to continue to insist that the US is somehow exceptional or separate from the rest of the world. A global economy has changed all that, and we are now, as everyone else, citizens of the world. What’s the problem? We continue to enact policies that do harm overseas (the farm bill, loose economic regulations, loose environmental policies, etc.), and soon we may find ourselves being sanctioned.

• Our tax system is out of touch with reality: We tax individuals, but not wealthy ones. We tax businesses, but not the largest ones. What’s the problem? We’re running a government that spends more than it generates in a society that cannot afford more spending cuts to our already emaciated social programs. Unless we overhaul the tax code and create a fair tax where everyone puts in his or her fair share, we will continue to operate in the red until we can’t operate any longer.

• Education is not up to snuff: Academic achievement in the US falls behind other industrialized nations, especially in the areas of science, technology, engineering, and math. Furthermore, students leaving high school are less and less prepared for university or the work force, and we continue to put public education on the chopping block when we cut spending. What’s the problem? We’re only cheating ourselves by creating a less educated society. How will we stay in a community of industrialized nations if we do not have the same access to education?

• Our infrastructure is crumbling: Experts estimate that more than $1 trillion needs to be spent to upgrade the nation’s roads, bridges, levees, dams, and other critical infrastructure. And yet investment levels are far shy of that mark. What’s the problem? We can not support current population levels with crumbling infrastructure. And don’t even get me started on how far we lag behind other nations in high speed rail.

These are but a few of the myriad challenges we face as a nation. These are but a few of the issues we must tackle now if we want to continue to be a great United States. This is why we cannot afford to elect another tea bagger, another Republican president, another 24 years of Mitch McConnell and his ilk.

We need liberals to drag the status quo conservatives into the future by the hair. In the end, they’ll thank us for it. They always do.

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  • Clavos

    Patronize and condescend much?

    You’re not gonna win over any conservative hearts and minds with that attitude…

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Tell me, Clavos – how is her ‘attitude’ any different from what we see every day from several of the BC conservatives?

    But she is right – today’s conservatives (and especially the Tea Party) want to ‘take us back to the good old days’, to a time that exists only in their imaginations. The rest of the developed world is leaving us behind, but the conservative hatred of social progress – which includes little things like education and infrastructure – is a result of the mindset that because we were number one for a few decades, then we must still be number one now…

    …and as a result, conservatives see no need to learn the GOOD lessons that other nations have to teach us. Your people are stuck in the mindset that “if America didn’t invent it or America doesn’t already do it, then it must be bad or wrong or – gasp! – socialist!”

    And it’s that mindset that’s forcing our nation into its long, slow, and quite painful Romanesque decline.

  • Clavos

    …how is her ‘attitude’ any different from what we see every day from several of the BC conservatives?

    That’s rich, coming from you.

  • http://meggansmoustache.blogspot.com/ Meggan’s Moustache

    Truth is neither condescending nor patronizing.

  • Clavos

    Truth is neither condescending nor patronizing.

    The “truth” of what you present is dependent on one’s point of view and yours is certainly open to debate.

    The manner and tone in which you present it is unquestionably condescending AND patronizing — even to the image with which you chose to illustrate your polemic.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Clavos –

    That’s rich, coming from you.

    Care to point out even one personal insult I’ve made in any article or comment on BC? While I do attack conservatives, Republicans, and Tea Partiers as a whole, I don’t make my attacks personal. The same cannot be said for most others here. Please keep that in mind.

  • zingzing

    “That’s rich, coming from you.”

    which is rich, coming from you. which is rich, coming from me.

    “even to the image with which you chose to illustrate your polemic.”

    it’s a pretty apt illustration of what conservatives look like these days. whining and lying about planned parenthood’s 90% knowing full well that it’ll never pass the senate and is just one big show… come on, that’s immature, that’s a waste of time, that’s bad governance and it’s only one example of the inanity of conservative legislators right now. where are the jobs? where’s the “freedom” and “liberty?” eh?

    conservatives are nothing but crying babies who constantly poop themselves in front of everyone. so yeah, the image is apt.

  • Clavos

    Glenn, I wasn’t referring to “insults;” it’s true that you don’t offer any expressed insults in your posts/comments, but both are more than a little patronizing and/or condescending, and I’ve called you out on this point before.

  • Clavos

    conservatives are nothing but crying babies who constantly poop themselves in front of everyone. so yeah, the image is apt.

    Sure, zing.

  • zingzing

    patronizing, clavos?

  • Clavos

    Beg for it, zing?

  • zingzing

    trip yourself up, clavos?

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    The feeling of being patronized or condescended to has something in common with beauty; they are often all in the mind of the perceiver…

    Moving on, I’d still like to see you making a positive case for your vision of things, Clavos.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Clavos –

    I’ll take the hit for being condescending towards conservatives and Republicans and Tea Partiers – and I challenge you to show me even ONE BC Politics commenter who hasn’t made condescending remarks towards whichever political organization they oppose!

    But ‘patronizing’? I’ve used condescension and even sarcasm, but not patronization of which I’m aware. Please show me where I’ve done so.

    Now that all that’s said, how about you, Clavos? Are you going to claim that you are not only often condescending to liberals as a whole, but also occasionally insulting on a personal level? Who, here, truly has more room to talk – thee or me?

    In other words, don’t throw stones when you live in a glass house. That said, Jordan pointed out that my tone is sanctimonious – and though Jordan later apologized for it, I take that particular criticism as constructive, and that really is something I need to work on. Now that begs the question why it is that although your criticism is fairly accurate, I’m more willing to listen to Jordan? It’s because Jordan makes such comments towards me but rarely, and so they get my attention.

  • Clavos

    Moving on, I’d still like to see you making a positive case for your vision of things, Clavos.

  • Clavos

    Akismet dropped my response to Chris’ proposal:

    Not gonna happen, Chris, there is nothing positive in my “vision of things.”

  • Cannonshop

    Interesting. So…Meggan…

    You think that a government that you admit can’t manage its tax law, provide adequate education, maintain infrastructure, etc. etc. etc., is competent to do so, if you just get rid of those awful conservatives…most of whom, would agree on the decaying infrastructure, aging population (and attendant danger to the economy of having fewer and fewer contributors paying out more and more in indenture.)

    Conservatives also tend to consider our Public Education system-as it stands currently-as largely failing to educate children. Any and all attempts to change and/or rectify that one being staunchly and fanatically opposed by… so-called PROGRESSIVES, who insist on an industrial-grade babysitting service, rather than schooling.

    On the environment…

    When you make policy on scientific grounds, it better be good science, and the policy had better be more than a wealth-transfer scheme that not only doesn’t do what it is supposed to do, but encourages MORE damage in the process while enriching third-world dictators and creating more vulnerability in the domestic economy. Here’s a hint: STRONG economies can afford to be environmentally conscious. Weak ones, can not.

    You progressives also seem utterly unaware of some home truths:

    1. You do not own, or have claim to, the products of others’ efforts. stop acting like you do, and maybe they might be more inclined to cooperate with you.

    2. it’s easy to be generous with other people’s money, time, and resources when you have a gun to their head. This is what Progressives do, and why conservatives generally don’t like them.

    3. Government is a gun to peoples heads. it is the use of force. when it is in the hands of religious nutbags, you get restriction of SOME people’s freedom for irrational grounds, in the hands of Progressives…it is used to restrict freedom for ALL people. (of course, in terms of liberty, “some”=ALL, the only difference is cosmetic.)

    4. Big Government=Big Business. the two are symbiotic to each other, and parasitic to the rest of us. They both want as much regulation as the market will bear (Government to feel it is doing good things and being moral, business because it kills domestic competitors and allows them to be non-competitive in terms of innovation, development, efficiency, etc.)

    Do you want examples IN evidence? Barack Obama’s first action as president increased the national debt by 30% (not just the yearly deficit, the whole damn debt) to bail out crooked and incompetent big-business banks, later the same year, the debt was increased AGAIN to bail out General Motors (another Big Business Failure) For the same money, the entire highway infrastructure in the continental U.S. could have been rebuilt, with money left over for solar and wind power projects enough to cover the midwest in windmills. a LOT of money was used to prop up Big Business, and likely will be again. The Conservative direction would have been to ALLOW the bad banks to collapse-the pain would have been short and sharp, rather than long, drawn out, and bandaged by lies from the white-house, and to allow GM to have to choose between remaining an inefficient and ineffective mega-corporation, or dissolve its holding company into a group of smaller, possibly competitive, companies that are more likely to be effective in competing on the world market.

  • zingzing

    cannonshop, read this.

  • Arch Conservative

    “Education is not up to snuff: Academic achievement in the US falls behind other industrialized nations, especially in the areas of science, technology, engineering, and math. Furthermore, students leaving high school are less and less prepared for university or the work force, and we continue to put public education on the chopping block when we cut spending.”

    How is that the fault of conservatives? The last time I checked it wasn’t conservatives that were running our schools. It’s liberals that have dominated the faculty and administration along with the leftist unions for the last 30 years or so.

    Your response is sterotypically pathetic. Despite the fact that many private schools spend less per pull with better results you imply that public schools just need more funding.

    Clavos was right. Meggans is patronizing and condescending but that’s pretty much par for the course for a leftist these days.

  • http://thevirtuousrepublic.com The Machiavellian

    “• Our infrastructure is crumbling: Experts estimate that more than $1 trillion needs to be spent to upgrade the nation’s roads, bridges, levees, dams, and other critical infrastructure. And yet investment levels are far shy of that mark. What’s the problem? We can not support current population levels with crumbling infrastructure. And don’t even get me started on how far we lag behind other nations in high speed rail.”

    Obama and the Democrats promised to rebuild our infrastructure with the $800 billion Stimulus. Remember? Shovel ready….

    Yet, and I guess this trivial fact escaped you, out of that $800 billion, Obama and the Democrats allocated a whopping $39 billion to roads, bridges, and rail.

    That simply was a dereliction of duty to the nation.

    Then again, you already knew that, as 1/3 of the Stimulus was pure welfare.

    Finally, teabagger? Really?

  • http://tmackorg.com/ Tommy Mack

    It must suck being a conservative. How lonely is the path of life when all one sees is the top of their shoes?

    What is par for the course for a leftist these days is a liberalism that allows for name-calling and the kind of spew with which conservative deride opinions they find challenging to their limited social viewpoint.

    Meanwhile, back on education, here is something else for conservatives to deride. That is when they are not busy being patronizing and condescending themselves.

    Tommy

  • Cannonshop

    #18 I’d be really interested in seeing the accounting behind those claims by Turbotax Timmy’s Treasury Department, Zing. (recall-this is a guy who had to be forgiven for botching his tax returns…)

    Of course, it also raises an interesting question about how ‘in trouble’ those banks and corporations really were in the first place-which in turn raises issues about whether the TARP was actually necessary in the first place…and how much of that profit is going to pay down the massive debt expansion, as opposed to being sunk into yet more, new spending?

  • zingzing

    actually, cannonshop, right now it’s going back into the rest of tarp to pay off all those other bits of tarp that haven’t (yet?) turned a profit. remember, this is just the bank portion of tarp. banks are usually pretty good at making money. don’t know about the rest of the tarp recipients. but economics certainly isn’t my strong suit, and i don’t pretend to understand all the machinations of what was going on with all the bailouts.

  • Clavos

    How lonely is the path of life when all one sees is the top of their shoes?

    Depends on whether or not you’re stompin’ a librul with ‘em…

  • Cannonshop

    it still raises the skeptical question of whether the TARP was, in fact, necessary AT ALL, even from a Keynesian point of view.

    Kind of like how the bust in 2006-08 might be attributable to either political party, a host of laws passed and repealed and passed again, and an SEC that couldn’t do its job because it permitted the creation of instruments and trades it did not comprehend (Derivatives trading).

  • Cannonshop

    Which breaks right into a comparison I read, that had the ring of truth to it…

    Wall Street is like Las Vegas Gambling, only Las Vegas has rules.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    So, Clavos, loosely speaking your position is anti-Democratic Party, anti-big-Government and anti-Union on principle but yet you have no positive view of how anything can or should be improved?

    That would appear to make you a nihilist?

    I find that very weird…

  • Cannonshop

    Actually, Chris, if I may… I don’t think Clavos is entirely anti-Union, so much as his opposition may be conditional.

    Kind of like how my support of Unions is conditional-if the union serves the membership’s interests, which includes measures to assure that the members’ jobs don’t wind up so expensive that the employer leaves or the industry leaves (thus leaving them, like Auto Workers, out of a job), and if it also is not simply another porker at the public trough whose primary purpose (as the SEIU or NEA) is to serve as conduit to fund political campaigns, well, then it is probably better than not hving a Union.

    But… lots of union leaders do the opposite-even going so far as to contribute to causes/politicians who’ll put their people out of work and demolish their industries to play to various lobbies that are more fashionable.

    Not to mention the corruption issue-when I was a Teamster, the monthly rag put out by the national included lists of locals-many of which were stated in the union rag as being under Federal Management due to various pending and completed RICO prosecutions, and my own local in the IAM has had presidents arrested for graft and corruption-which tends to black the eye of legitimate labor organizing, and to muddy the waters between what is, and what should be.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    Hi Cannonshop,

    There are obviously practical issues involved in how unions conduct themselves, particularly when they are so deeply intertwined in politics as you outline.

    On the big picture level, my perception is that the whole political process (in many countries, not just the USA) is deeply flawed and in need of massive reform.

    Whether that can happen in the USA or my current location (the UK) without the kinds of massive and ugly social fractures that have happened in the American, European and now African regions over the last 30 or 40 years remains to be seen.

    I hope it will be possible to evolve our systems without such violent change but worry that it won’t, whether things are going to have to get far worse before such change can happen, and what brave new world might emerge post such changes.

    The general negativity inherent in Clavos’ approach seems indicative of the problems we all face, which is why I have been attempting to draw him out a little and see what new world order (lol) he would like to see.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I really liked the comments, but honestly, I quit reading the article after the first line.

    Comparing your opponents to little children is never the way to start a dialogue. If someone started a conversation with something like, “You’re acting like a baby, now let’s talk.” My response would probably be GO FUCK YOURSELF. Yeah, I know, how childish. But since I’m trying these days to be polite, I won’t tell the “writer” anything of the sort. I’ll just walk away and pretend she didn’t call anyone a child. Or infer that anyone was “acting” childish.

    I mean come on man! You never hear liberals saying shit like…You guys did it too! Or Bush did it! Or Bush was worse! Never anything imature coming from the liberal side of the political spectrum…it’s all the conservatives…

    Talk about glass houses….

    Have a nice day!

  • S.T..M

    Lol. G’day Andy.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    G’day Stan!

  • http://www.obesitywars.net/ Joshua Tyler

    Meggan’s Moustache… “We need liberals to drag the status quo conservatives into the future by the hair. In the end, they’ll thank us for it. They always do.”

    Great article. It’s almost as if President Obama had read your article before he revealed his 2012 budget, yesterday. It was a great speech, and he seems to have grabbed the Republicans by the hair. The GOP is all cranky pants this morning – the “kicking and screaming” has begun.

    On this criticism of you being patronizing and condescending. Patronizing? I don’t see it. Condescending? How is it possible not to be? It’s called “politics”. As positive as President Obama’s speech was yesterday, it still had an underlying element of condescension within it. Wait until Jon Stewart analyzes this budget battle. It will be condescending satire, on steroids. It will be hilarious. And, the kicker will be, that satire is only funny, if it’s based in truth.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    In all this back and forth we seem to have lost track of the ridiculousness of the original article. Let me remind you with a quick look at the string of untruths in the second article:

    Rebellion from monarchy,

    A revolution carried out by people who believed the were protecting the established values of the colonies from interference and changes from England, an essentially conservative movement.

    establishment of the United States,

    Achieved with the Constitution which the modern left does everything it can to undermine.

    ending slavery,

    Ended by Republicans.

    votes for black men,

    Passed by Republicans over the vehement objections of the Democratic party.

    end of child labor,

    Again, legislation drafted, passed and signed by Republicans against the wishes of the left.

    votes for women,

    Pioneered by Republicans, passed by Republicans, resisted by Democrats, labor and the left.

    pants for women,

    Got nothing for you on that one. But it’s not even a political issue.

    40-hour work week,

    Yep, we can thank big labor for that one.

    end of Jim Crow,

    Again, ended by Republicans and conservatives over strong objections from Democrats and the left.

    Roe v. Wade,

    I’ll give you full credit on that one.

    end of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell,

    Again, struck down in the courts by a Republican judge as a result of the arguments of a Republican lawyer, hired by a Republican activist group.

    etcetera, etcetera, ad infinitum.

    Indeed. Most of the things you want to credit to your political left, your democrats and your big labor monopolists – all the good things achieved came from Republcians and what is now considered the conservative right.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    dave, you know as well as the rest of us that the names “democrat” and “republican” have pretty much switched meanings since the 1960s. or do you consider the “republicans” of 1830 to be anything near what a republican is today?

    “A revolution carried out by people who believed the were protecting the established values of the colonies from interference and changes from England, an essentially conservative movement.”

    that’s a way to put it, i guess. but you could very easily put it another way, couldn’t you?

    “Achieved with the Constitution which the modern left does everything it can to undermine.”

    same with the modern right, and you know it. that’s the nature of politics.

    “ending slavery,

    Ended by Republicans.”

    republicans who wouldn’t recognize modern day republicans as such…

    “votes for black men,

    Passed by Republicans over the vehement objections of the Democratic party.”

    ditto.

    “end of child labor,

    Again, legislation drafted, passed and signed by Republicans against the wishes of the left.”

    ditto

    “votes for women,

    Pioneered by Republicans, passed by Republicans, resisted by Democrats, labor and the left.”

    ditto

    “pants for women,

    Got nothing for you on that one. But it’s not even a political issue.”

    dit… wait. what?

    “end of Jim Crow,

    Again, ended by Republicans and conservatives over strong objections from Democrats and the left.”

    you’ve been told time and time again that the divide was north-south, but you never seem to get it through your skull. and the lack of impediment up there makes it all the more weird, skeletor.

    “end of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell,

    Again, struck down in the courts by a Republican judge as a result of the arguments of a Republican lawyer, hired by a Republican activist group.”

    and opposed by republican congressmen. why’d you leave that out?

    “all the good things achieved came from Republcians and what is now considered the conservative right.”

    except they weren’t considered those things then, because they weren’t. imagine that.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Dave will never stop his distorted portrayal of civil rights and the Republican and Democratic parties, because he has decided to be 100% propaganda all the time. This does nothing for the credibility of his writing or of the Blogcritics Politics section he nominally edits. But he no longer cares about that, if indeed he ever did.

  • zingzing

    he’s ceased to even respond when someone brings it up. i’ll not show him the numbers again, as it’s not worth the time. he’s seen them more times that he needs to. i don’t think he’s so stupid he can’t get it. so it must be that he’s gullible. if not that, then a liar. it’s one of the three anyway.

  • http://www.somethingelsereviews.com Mark Saleski

    handy says: Dave will never stop his distorted portrayal…

    you can stop right there.

    jon stewart, various “news” flashes, etc.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an roger nowosielski

    “Throughout history, liberals have always had to drag our conservative counterparts into the future, like parents dragging their stubborn children to nap time.”

    @34

    Actually, Dave, the main thesis underlying the subject article (see the opening sentence, above) is a sound one, regardless of the cited examples. It is the essence of conservatism to look for guidance in the past, not in the future, ain’t it so? You’d be hard put to provide counterexamples, showing conservatism as spearheading a new movement.

    Just think, as a conservative, you (Baronius comes to mind, too) would be against the rebellion against the King or the drafting of the Constitution, and for slavery, one might add. Libertarianism, such as you espouse, may have been a progressive position once upon a time; but it’s so no longer.

    I suppose the underlying point is that what may have been once progressive positions tend to become reactive ones if held on as if for dear life against the current.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    zing –

    i don’t think he’s so stupid he can’t get it. so it must be that he’s gullible. if not that, then a liar. it’s one of the three anyway.

    Actually, there’s another possibility. Personally, I think Dave knows very well the point you made. I remember once pointing out to him the rank insanity of many on the right (birthers, creationists, etc.)…and his response was essentially that it was okay that they were nuts, as long as they voted for the Republicans.

    In other words, he really believes that if he supports the Republicans regardless of how idiotic many (or now, in the case of birthers, most) of their people are, the yahoos they elect to office will somehow be more likely to support Dave’s version of the Libertarian agenda. He believes that it is more acceptable to use – and support – the loonies, agreeing to most of what they want, just so long as he believes he has a chance to help mold their agenda.

    But in my opinion, if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas…and so it goes with having looney-tuners for political bedfellows.

  • Is It Easter Yet?

    Who brought America kicking and screaming into “pants for women?”

    Here are quotes from the first brave pants-wearing women who suffered ridicule while clothed in the “Reform Costume:” Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Mary Wollstonecraft…

  • Is It Easter Yet?

    Correction: Wollstonecraft did not wear Bloomers.

  • Is It Easter Yet?

    I bought you something, Glenn.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I am fed up with Democrats and Republicans. They’re all liars.

    They all act as if they are in a competition between football teams.

    Bush should be prosecuted and Obama failed on most everything he promised. And people are supporting and defending their preferred ‘team’ in this sick system no matter what it does or how wrong!

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I suppose the underlying point is that what may have been once progressive positions tend to become reactive ones if held on as if for dear life against the current.

    I will put liberalism in there at this point.

  • REMF(MCH)

    “Short people got nobody, short people got nobody…to love; They got little baby legs that stand so low, you got to pick ‘em up
    just to say hello; They got little cars
    that go beep, beep, beep; They got little voices goin’ peep, peep, peep…”

    – Randy Newman

  • http://statesmansentinel.com Classical Liberal

    The people that call themselves liberals these days are not really liberal. They do not believe in liberty and advancing individuals – they believe in statism and consolidating power over individuals into the state apparatus. They have made a mockery of the term liberal – the root word of which is liberty.

  • zingzing

    oh for the love of god.