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SCRANTON, Pa. — John Kerry’s heavily hyped cross-country bus tour stumbled out of the blocks yesterday, as a group of Marines publicly dissed the Vietnam War hero in the middle of a crowded restaurant.
Kerry was treating running mate Sen. John Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, to a Wendy’s lunch in Newburgh, N.Y., for their 27th wedding anniversary — an Edwards family tradition — when the candidate approached four Marines and asked them questions.

The Marines — two in uniform and two off-duty — were polite but curt while chatting with Kerry, answering most of his questions with a “yes, sir” or “no, sir.”

But they turned downright nasty after the Massachusetts senator thanked them “for their service” and left.

“He imposed on us and I disagree with him coming over here shaking our hands,” one Marine said, adding, “I’m 100 percent against [him].”

A sergeant with 10 years of service under his belt said, “I speak for all of us. We think that we are doing the right thing in Iraq,” before saying he is to be deployed there in a few weeks and is “eager” to go and serve.

Maybe they were still pissed about Kerry’s opposition to actually funding our troops in the field. I mean, it must be rather nauseating to know that you’re being used as little more than atmosphere by a guy who doesn’t support what you are fighting and your buddies are dying for.

Of course, to listen to giant thalidomide baby Max Cleland tell it, you’d think John F. Kerry was a real veteran’s veteran, instead of what he actually is: One of Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark’s fellow travelers.

Oh, and I found this tidbit somewhat humorous:

[T]he rest of Day One went smoothly, as massive crowds — including what Kerry said were up to 20,000 in Harrisburg, Pa., — greeted him, Edwards, their families and Ben Affleck at the tour-kickoff event in Boston and at two stops in the Keystone state. [emphasis mine]

What the fuck is Ben Affleck doing campaigning with the Kerry-Edwards ticket? Is he their pick to head the Department of Homeland Security or something? This drunken putz didn’t even vote in 2000, and he’s running around the country demanding that others vote for his preferred candidate?

I’m just shocked that Kerry even wants to be seen with him, after the train wreck that was Gigli (which, according to Amazon, is for some reason quite popular in the Middle East)…

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  • http://www.jackejett.com jack e. jett

    this was an obvious warhol moment for these marines. was it just a coincidence that they were there when kerry/edwards were? at the same time? sounds like they went out of their way to be rude in order to make the papers. a brilliant way to make a political point. or…they could have been pissed about the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

    jack e. jett

  • http://dirtgrain.com/weblog Dirtgrain

    They are lucky Kerry is campaigning right now, or he would have kicked their asses.

    “. . . a guy who doesn’t support what you are fighting and your buddies are dying for.”
    I’m sick of this twisted I-support-the-troops/you-don’t-support-the-troops crap, dammit. Here is one of many possible ways to see it. Kerry supports America. The guys became soldiers because they support America. So Kerry does support what the troops are fighting and dying for–America.

    What the hell does support mean anyway? Is any man who disagrees with a particular war an enemy of that war’s combatants? Why do you try to paint such absurd, illogical pictures?

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    I’m sick of this twisted I-support-the-troops/you-don’t-support-the-troops crap, dammit.

    […]

    What the hell does support mean anyway?

    Um, how about $87 billion dollars in financial support, which Kerry voted against, despite having previously called any vote against such funding “irresponsible”?

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    I’m sick of this twisted I-support-the-troops/you-don’t-support-the-troops crap, dammit.

    Dirt, let me ‘splain it to you.

    If you say something negative about the current war today, you don’t support the troops and are unpatriotic, if not an America-hater.

    If you say something negative today about the military service of a guy who volunteered to go into combat 30-something years ago, you’re a patriot and support the troops.

    Got it?

  • http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/ Rodney Welch

    RJ’s a hypocrite. His comment on Max Cleland tells us all we need to know about his respect for the sacrifices veterans make for this country.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “RJ’s a hypocrite. His comment on Max Cleland tells us all we need to know about his respect for the sacrifices veterans make for this country.”

    I was completely expecting this. And it WAS a pretty mean-spirited attack.

    I’m sure Mr. Cleland is a super guy, and a true American hero to boot.

    But still…he kinda sorta DOES look like a gigantic flipper baby, is all I’m sayin’…

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    It apparently doesn’t matter what Cleland did many moons ago and how he paid for his service — it only matters what his political persuasion is now.

  • http://www.evilwhiteguy.com/blog Evilwhiteguy

    Not only did he vote against the $87 billion, he voted against it AFTER voting to send the troops to Iraq in the first place.

  • http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywel Rodney Welch

    [edited]

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “[edited]
    Thank you for your kind words of support.

    Though I expect the personal nature of your comments will soon be edited, I will never forget the forthright nature of your words.

    There are many who strive for Whitman-esque poetry, or Hemmingway-esque prose, but few can manage either, much less both. You have proven yourself to be an equal of these masters of English-language literature.

    Fair the well, Rodney. Fair the well.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Perhaps he voted against it because he didn’t like the fact that tax cuts aren’t being repealed in order to pay the bill and that there is no accountability for how that $$ will be spent.

    So the issue isn’t whether or not to fund the Iraq occupation/reconstruction, it’s with HOW TO PAY FOR IT.

    Kerry and Joe Biden failed to get an amended bill passed that would have erased some of the Bush tax cuts to fund the operation.

    The White House went on record saying that Bush would veto the amended bill. You know, he would have vetoed the entire $87 billion because of the erased tax cuts.

    I guess that means Bush doesn’t support the troops — he put tax cuts above the welfare of the troops. And he’s the Commander in Chief!

  • Stately Wayne Manor

    That would be “Fare THEE Well”. [edited]

  • http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywel Rodney Welch

    I suspect the so-called “forthright nature of my words” merely echoes your own self-image. The rest of your post is a charmingly ignorant and illiterate attempt at erudition.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “That would be “Fare THEE Well”.[edited]
    Thank you for your kind and thoughtful bit of editing, Mr. Manor.

    I always welcome personal attacks aimed at me due to typographical errors at 2 in the morning.

    Your feedback is highly appreciated.

    Please sign up for my weekly e-mail newsletter at kerryvotersarefuckingcommunists.com

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “I suspect the so-called “forthright nature of my words” merely echoes your own self-image. The rest of your post is a charmingly ignorant and illiterate attempt at erudition.”

    Thank you, once again, for your input.

    Please know that your comments are being read by someone who gets paid to read comments such as yours.

    Please know that we will take your point of view under consideration. Our goal is always to represent the views of those who are our most loyal supporters.

    Due to your continued support, we offer you an exclusive into our next post:

    “Max Cleland can’t fucking juggle”

    Thanks again, and please remember to keep us in mind this coming holiday season.

  • http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywel Rodney Welch

    “Please know that your comments are being read by someone who gets paid to read comments such as yours.”

    By who? The American Nazi Party?

  • http://www.evilwhiteguy.com/blog Evilwhiteguy

    I don’t think Justene is going to like being called a Nazi. Of course, that’s just a guess.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    I think she might also take offense at the implication that she’s being paid. What’s she being paid in, unsold BC coffee mugs and t-shirts?

  • http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywel Rodney Welch

    Ooooh, looks like it’s Treblinka for me, huh?

  • SFC SKI

    Personally I think it is best if active duty military personnel refrain from political comments in a public forum, like it or not, those in uniform serve the Commander in Chief.

    I had 8 good years of practice at holding my tongue during the previous administration.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    I agree, but it’s not like they sought out the media or headed to Wendy’s to make a statement. Kerry came in and put them on the spot in front of the media.

  • http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/http://www.rodneywel Rodney Welch

    Would the soldiers have felt it was an imposition if Bush had come over to say hey? Of course not; they would have been flattered. So it wasn’t an imposition for Kerry to say hey either.

  • http://calblog.com Justene

    I wish you people would save the namecalling until I’m awake.

  • http://www.jackejett.com jack e. jett

    to get back to the original post.

    i am off to wendy’s for lunch. i in the mood for a frosty. only 99 cents.

    jack

  • HW Saxton Jr.

    jack e., while you are there, could you
    pick me up a double cheeseburger and a
    large order of fries??? I’ll pay ya when
    ya get back.thanks.

  • http://naproom.mu.nu Tom

    “to get back to the original post.

    i am off to wendy’s for lunch. i in the mood for a frosty. only 99 cents.

    jack”

    Hmmmm..Frosty. Yummy.

  • http://www.evilwhiteguy.com/blog Evilwhiteguy

    You forgot to mention this part:

    Teresa Heinz Kerry pointed at a picture of chili on the menu and asked the cashier what it was before ordering a bowl.

  • http://www.evilwhiteguy.com/blog Evilwhiteguy

    Someone (you know who you are) will probably accuse me of making that up, so here’s the source.

  • http://www.evilwhiteguy.com/blog Evilwhiteguy

    And then there’s this:

    While Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and his running mate, John Edwards, and their families were having a “lite” lunch at Wendy’s in the Town of Newburgh Friday, drumming up local support right after the national convention in Boston, their real lunches were waiting on their bus.

    A member of the Kerry advance team called Nikola’s Restaurant at the Newburgh Yacht Club the night before and ordered 19 five-star lunches to go that would be picked up at noon Friday. Management at the restaurant, which is operated by CIA (ed – Culinary Institute of America) graduate chef Michael Dederick, was told the meals would be for the Kerry and Edwards families and actor Ben Affleck who was with them on the tour.

    The gourmet meals to go included shrimp vindallo, grilled diver sea scallops, prosciutto, wrapped stuffed chicken, and steak salad. The meals came to about $200.

    So the entire Wendy’s stop was a charade, they actually had a catered meal on the bus from a yacht club.

  • boomcrashbaby

    I wouldn’t call it a charade, as much as a photo op. And everybody, including Bush has them. Perhaps if Kerry and Edwards landed on the roof of Wendys in a jet plane, and climbed down the wall in a flight suit, it wouldn’t be quite the fried controversy it is being made out to be.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    lol….

  • http://dirtgrain.com/weblog Dirtgrain

    EWG said: “Teresa Heinz Kerry pointed at a picture of chili on the menu and asked the cashier what it was before ordering a bowl.”
    That’s funny. I usually wait until after I get the bowl of “chili” from Wendy’s to ask what it is. Oh, maybe Teresa is an alien. You better look into that.

    EWG said: “So the entire Wendy’s stop was a charade, they actually had a catered meal on the bus from a yacht club.”
    But prosciutto goes well with Wendy’s chili. Doesn’t everybody know that?

  • MCH

    Honor the Fallen

    “Army pfc. Analaura Esparza Gutierrez, 21, of Houston, TX; assigned to A Company, 4th Forward Support Battalion, Ft. Hood; was killed while riding in a convoy that was hit by an improvised explosive device and rocket-propelled grenades on Oct. 1, 2003, in Tikrit.”

    Pfc. Gutierrez, who believed that actions speak louder than words, voluntarily enlisted in the military in 2002 so that she could eventually attend college. Her death ended this pretty 21-year old’s dreams of getting married (she had received a marriage proposal from a fellow soldier only a few weeks prior to being killed) and of becoming a psychologist some day.

    “She didn’t deserve to die,” Agustin Velazco Esparza said of his only child, urging president Bush to bring home other parents’ children. “There are a lot of young people who are going to die as long as they’re over there. She was the best daughter a father could have.”
    http://www.pigstye.net/iraq/article.php/20031008090225316

    “Some gave all…all gave some” (VVA slogan)
    – MCH, Vietnam era vet

  • MCH

    “…to listen to giant thalidomide baby Max Cleland tell it…”
    – RJ (Bobby) Elliott, in the post

    “…he (Cleland) kinda sorta DOES look like a gigantic flipper-baby…”
    – RJ (Bobby) Elliott, comment #6

    “Max Cleland can’t fucking juggle.”
    RJ (Bobby) Elliott, comment #15

    I do have a question for those of you adamantly opposed to the term Chickenhawk as “name-calling” (Eric Olsen, Dave Nalle, SFC Ski, Silas Kain, DrPat);

    What’s your opinion of Elliott’s gutless attack on a braver man than he…one who sacrificed dismemberment in an effort to help maintain RJ’s first amendment rights from his collegiate keyboard in Florida?

    – MCH (USN, ’70-74)

  • MCH

    What? No comments?

    So, let me get this straight:

    Anytime someone who promotes sending others to die in their place in an overseas invasion gets called a Chickenhawk, all kinds of whining about namecalling breaks out.

    But when some weasel – who has never and will never serve – refers to a decorated, dismembered combat veteran as a “thalidomide baby” and a “gigantic flipper” who “can’t fucking juggle,” all the cyber patriots just look the other way?

    Wow.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    You’re a pathetic, anonymous little cyber-stalking troll.

  • http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com/ Rodney Welch

    …and the nastiest thing he did was to quote YOU, RJ.

  • MCH

    Re comment #14;
    “…kerry voters are fucking communists.com…”
    – by R.J. (Bobby) Elliott

    In spite of the whining by the publisher concerning the use of the term “Chickenhawk,” it’s because of this kind of stuff that I have no qualms whatsoever calling Bobby Elliott the Chickenhawk that he is…

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>What’s your opinion of Elliott’s gutless attack on a braver man than he…one who sacrificed dismemberment in an effort to help maintain RJ’s first amendment rights from his collegiate keyboard in Florida?<<

    It seems a bit over the top, but I also think there’s a huge difference between using an insulting description or term to apply to a public figure and using it in response to someone who’s trying to discuss something on a blog.

    And you know, Max Cleland’s past service – wonderful though it is – doesn’t exactly negate his current bizarre and rather irritating stridency. He’s a truly annoying person whose views are mostly completely irrational and untennable.

    Dave

  • MCH

    …aaannd what about Bobby calling Kerry voters “fucking communists”…?

  • gonzo marx

    RJ sez..
    *Of course, to listen to giant thalidomide baby Max Cleland tell it,*

    ok..ya just lost any shred of Respect i might have had for you…as well as demonstrated a complete lack of any sort of ethical integrity in you editorializing..

    you show me yer lost limbs and purple hearts and then ya can spout off when a vet calls some numbnuts a “chickenhawk” after you just brazenly insulted 2 men who AT LEAST SERVED in their wartime

    say what ya will, RJ…no wait..nevermind..who gives an aerial fornication intersecting a rotating pastry what you have to say…

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Can I call Max Clelland the Democratic answer to Bob Dole?

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    shure..that is a decent comparison that is nowhere near as unthinkingly insulting as “thalidomide baby”..

    think of the uproar if i had said that about Cheny..or Limbaugh..etc…

    oh wait..none of them ever served in the Military…

    no matter…i still don’t stoop to that kind of insult now, do i?

    and that was the gist of my point..

    Excelsior!

  • MCH

    “What the fuck is Ben Afleck doing campaigning with the Kerry-Edwards ticket? This drunken putz didn’t even vote until 2000, and he’s running around the country demanding that others vote for his preferred candidate.”
    – R.J. (Bobby) Elliott, in above post

    Yo, Bobby – then according to this criteria, people shouldn’t take political advice from Rush Limbaugh, since Limbaugh did not vote in his first election until he was 35 years old…?
    (source, “The Rush Limbaugh Story” by Paul Colford)

    …Just making sure all the glass windows in your glass house are closed (as my good friend Boom would say)…

  • MCH

    Honor The Fallen

    “Army Sgt. Wakkuna A. Jackson, 21, of Jacksonville, Fla.; assigned to the 710th Combat Support Battalion, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y.; killed Aug. 19 when an improvised explosive device detonated near her convoy vehicle in Kunar, Afghanistan. Also killed were Spc. Robert E. Drawl Jr. and Spc. Christopher F. Sitton.”

    militarycity.com

    Fifty-one U.S. female soldiers have now been killed in action in Iraq.

  • MCH

    CANDIDATE-VETERAN ATTACKS BUSH ON IRAQ
    By DENNIS CONRAD, Associated Press Writer
    Sep 30, 2006

    WASHINGTON – An Illinois congressional candidate who lost both her legs during combat in Iraq said Saturday that President Bush has no real strategy for securing the war-ravaged nation, just political talk designed to appeal to voters.

    “Instead of a plan or a strategy, we get shallow slogans like ‘mission accomplished’ and ‘stay the course,'” former U.S. Army Captain Tammy Duckworth said in the Democrats’ weekly radio address. “Those slogans are calculated to win an election. But they won’t help us accomplish our mission in Iraq.”

    Duckworth, who co-piloted a Black Hawk helicopter that crashed while under a rocket grenade attack almost two years ago, also criticized Bush and others in his administration for accusing anyone who challenges the president’s policies of “cutting and running.”

    “Well, I didn’t cut and run, Mr. President. Like so many others, I proudly fought and sacrificed,” Duckworth said. “My helicopter was shot down long after you proclaimed ‘mission accomplished.'”

    At a GOP fundraiser Thursday in Alabama, Bush said, “The party of FDR and the party of Harry Truman has become the party of cut and run.”

    Duckworth is seeking the suburban Chicago seat against Illinois state Sen. Peter Roskam.

    In her address, Duckworth, now a major in the Illinois National Guard, also lashed out at the GOP-led Congress for refusing to do its job of holding the Bush administration accountable for its flawed Iraq policy.

    “We need a Congress that will ask the tough questions and work together for solutions rather than attacking the patriotism of those who disagree,” she said. “It is time to encourage Iraqi leaders to take control of their own county and make the tough choices that will stop the civil war and stabilize the country.”

    —————————————

    So RJ…any comment on Major Duckworth’s appearance?

  • Clavos

    “Some gave all…all gave some” (VVA slogan)
    – MCH, Vietnam era vet

    “Vietnam era vet whose closest assignment to Vietnam was freakin’ Hawaii–an R&R destination…

    And, as a Life Member of VVA, I think you have a hell of a nerve using our slogan in your comments.

    That said, I agree with you about RJ’s characterizations of Max Cleland, although I vehemently disagree with and disavow Cleland’s current views.

    RJ: Disagree with Cleland all you want–it’s your right, and I support both your right AND the disagreement, but I think you’re disgusting to make fun of his physical condition.

    Clavos
    Vietnam combat vet

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Clavos – I’ve apologized for making fun of Cleland’s appearance about ten times already on various Blogcritics posts. MCH just keeps bringing it up again and again and again so that people who are unaware of my repeated apologies demand that I apologize yet again.

    It’s his little cyber-stalking game…you’ll note that this post was written well over two years ago, but MCH keeps it alive with random comments every few months…why does he do that, I wonder?

    So…once again, for the record: It was incredibly mean-spirited of me to make fun of a severely-wounded American veteran simply because I disagreed with his politics. Mea Culpa.

    But my statement above will not matter, of course. Nor, apparently, did any of the previous statements expressing regret over this same exact issue. MCH will be at it again in a week, or a month, and I’ll be expected to go through this process once again.

    BTW Clavos – Thank you for your service. I don’t suppose you had much spare time for softball and billiards while getting shot at by the NVA and the VC… ;-)

  • Clavos

    RJ,

    You’re right.

    Please accept my apology for flying off the handle like that. I got so incensed, I failed to look at the dates of both the article and the comments I questioned.

    My bad..I’m sorry.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Perfectly understandable. :-)

  • MCH

    “Clavos – I’ve apologized for making fun of Cleland’s appearance about ten times already on various Blogcritics posts. MCH just keeps bringing it up again and again and again so that people who are unaware of my repeated apologies demand that I apologize yet again.”
    – RJ Elliott

    Since it took you almost a year-and-a-half after the fact, and only after fellow conservative bloggers denounced your comparison as a scumbag thing to say, your flimsy “apology” is spurious, in my opinion.

    ————————-

    “BTW Clavos – Thank you for your service. I don’t suppose you had much spare time for softball and billiards while getting shot at by the NVA and the VC… ;-)”
    – RJ Elliott

    And I don’t suppose Tammy Duckworth had much spare time for blogging phoney war slogans, pretending to know what combat is like, and calling anyone opposed to the Iraqi invasion/occupation a “pinko” or a “commie”, while getting her legs blown off, either.

    ————————-

    “And, as a Life Member of VVA, I think you have a hell of a nerve using our slogan in your comments.”
    – Clavos

    But had I DESERTED, and then lied about it, it’d be “non-sequitur.”

  • REMF

    “Can I call Max Clelland the Democratic answer to Bob Dole?”
    – Dave Nalle

    Sure, if you wish. It’s better than the other comparison on this thread.