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From Drudge:

DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding “Memorandum of Understanding” that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

“No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate…. Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium…”

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium’s audience]?

What did Kerry place on the podium?

So, Kerry and his minions are bragging about how Bush got his ass handed to him in the first debate, but they are leaving out the inconvenient fact that Kerry had to cheat in order to win!

Video proof of Kerry’s complete lack of ethics can be viewed here and here.

Slime, thy name is Kerry.

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  • http://www.tude.com/ Hal Pawluk

    Get real – it was his pen and he took it out in full view of the audience.

    Losers shouldn’t be whiners, too.

  • http://halfbakered.blogspot.com mike hollihan

    Nope, Hal.

    a/ It was not a pen. Take a better look.

    b/ Pens and paper were already provided and waiting on the podium, per the debate rules.

    The question is “What did Kerry know and how did he know it?”

  • http://www.tude.com/ Hal Pawluk

    I know – it was Druge crap.

    Geez, stop reading that guy’s blog and get a life.

  • http://www.digitaldissent.net Justin Delabar

    First Bush lost because he was “emotionally drained” due to meeting hurricane victims, and now it’s because Kerry “cheated.” The next excuse will focus on why Bush looked so uncomfortable and probably be something along the lines of him having inflammatory hemroids.

    Seriously, Drudge is the bottom of the barrell.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    No, Bush lost because Bush is horrible in public speaking situations where he has to think on his feet. And Kerry is a well-known master-debater.

    That being said, KERRY CHEATED. Watch the video. He is OBVIOUSLY BREAKING THE RULES of the debate.

    This is the guy you want as leader of the free world? A guy who is so unethical and underhanded that he refuses to follow the clearly spelled-out and agreed upon rules of a nationally televised debate?

  • http://www.templestark.com/blog Temple Stark

    RJ – I hope you sober up before work tomorrow.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    RJ, I think this post definitely fits under the category of Kerry hater (since you’re the first one to point out those that are Bush haters).

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Temple:

    Thank you for completely ignoring the subject of my post

    BHW:

    Thank you for completely ignoring the subject of my post

    Justin:

    Thank you for completely ignoring the subject of my post

    Hal:

    Thank you for completely ignoring reality

  • http://www.tude.com/ Hal Pawluk

    Nice transference, RJ.

  • http://www.digitaldissent.net Justin Delabar

    Ok, RJ, here’s my direct response to the subject of your post:

    It was a pen. I don’t see how it’s paper, and I’ve looked at the video five times thus far.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    RJ: Kerry reached into his jacket pocket and had something in his hand. Whatever it was, it wasn’t made of paper. He didn’t cheat. He just beat your guy fairly, and you can’t take it, so you immediately start with the character assasination based on NOTHING.

    Say, when will we be seeing your post on the new Newsweek poll that shows Kerry ahead of Bush?

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “It was a pen. I don’t see how it’s paper, and I’ve looked at the video five times thus far.”

    A white, square pen?

    Look again…

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “RJ: Kerry reached into his jacket pocket and had something in his hand.”

    Which is a clear violation of debate rules. Thank you.

    “Whatever it was, it wasn’t made of paper.”

    Looks a lot like paper to me. White, square, thin, apparently folded…what do YOU think it was?

    “He didn’t cheat.”

    He broke the debate rules, as you (to your credit) admit. That is, by definition, CHEATING. Why can’t you admit that?

    “He just beat your guy fairly”

    Well, he beat my guy. Fairly? It doesn’t look like it…

    “and you can’t take it, so you immediately start with the character assasination based on NOTHING.”

    A video of Kerry breaking the debate rules is hardly “nothing.”

    Anyway, I expected Bush to lose. Bush is a poor debater, and Kerry is a master-debater.

    I did NOT, however, expect Kerry to CHEAT. But he did.

    Bush probably would have lost the debate, even if Kerry had not cheated. But that’s not the subject of my post. The subject is that Kerry broke the rules of the debate, and there is video PROOF of this.

    Please, do yourself a favor and just admit it.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    He broke the debate rules, as you (to your credit) admit. That is, by definition, CHEATING. Why can’t you admit that?

    It’s not cheating unless you KNOW FOR A FACT that what he had in his hand violated the rules. You don’t know that, but you want it to be true.

    Now, as for breaking the rules, didn’t Bush do that a few times by asking for more time or to respond when he’d already had his turn?

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “It’s not cheating unless you KNOW FOR A FACT that what he had in his hand violated the rules.”

    Babe, let me try to hammer this one salient fact home to you: ANYTHING that he pulled out of his jacket’s inside pocket and placed on the podium would have broken debate rules.

    A sheet of paper with helpful notes? Breaks debate rules

    His favorite pen? Breaks debate rules

    A tuna sandwhich? Breaks debate rules

    A picture of his wife, in the nude? Breaks debate rules (and the rules of basic human decency…)

    He CHEATED in the first debate. Really. He did. You’ve seen the proof. Just admit it.

  • http://www.bigtimepatriot.com Big Time Patriot

    Check this out: Drudge catches Bush cheating during the debate

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Ah, I see the reference to “tangible objects” in the debate agreement. If Kerry took something out of his pocket, and it appears that he did [I’ll check out my TiVo’d version later], then he violated the agreement about bringing any tangible objects to the podium.

    As for the term “cheating,” I would say that he cheated if he deliberately violated the rules to gain an advantage over Bush. If there were no restrictions on what they could put on the podium, then I don’t see how Kerry could have gained an advantage over Bush. It’s not like it was a multiple choice test and he brought in the answer key.

    It was a debate, and he won the debate easily by being the better prepared, more articulate candidate. How that could have been influenced by a “tangible object,” I don’t know.

  • http://www.whiterose.org/michael/blog/ Michael Croft

    you know, we could just get a script that posted whatever drudge said and another one that posts “oh, yes it is, too, true!” every time someone comments.

    I think this is a fabulous story, it’s the 2004 version of the Bush-Gore debates where the spin machines turned what most people saw as a Gore win into a Bush win.

    What I don’t get is how half-hearted and lame the attempt is. This is the best you can do? At least Karl Rove had the cojones to try to say that it was “Bush’s best debate performance ever”.

  • Adam Bloom

    I’m pretty sure that was a porn picture.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Okay, I just watched my TiVo’d version several times in slow-motion. It looks like a pen that is giving off a reflection. You have to watch the camera switch from the shot from behind the stage where to the next one from in front of the stage to see that he starts to write with the thing he pulled out of his pocket.

    From the back of the stage, you see him reach into his pocket, take something out, and then start to do something with it in his hands. The Righty sites say it’s paper and he’s unfolding it. But it doesn’t look at all like paper to me, folded or otherwise. The item is in his right hand when the camera switches to the one in front of the stage. Kerry immediately starts to write with the object, which looks to be giving off a reflection.

    So, he took a pen out of his pocket, which is a violation of the agreement he made. Is it cheating? Only if the pen gave him an advantage in the debate. If you think it did, then okay.

    Why didn’t Jim Lehrer say something about Kerry’s pen, which is what the moderator is supposed to do if a candidate used something he brought onto the stage? He didn’t see Kerry reach for it. While Kerry was reaching into his pocket, Lehrer was looking straight at Bush. He turned to Kerry after Kerry’s hand was out of his pocket and he was removing the cap from his pen.

    Kerry’s campaign needs to address this question right now to put an end to the “cheating” bullshit. He just needs to admit that he brought a pen to the podium when he wasn’t supposed to and that it won’t happen again.

    Case closed.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Let me be clear, because some people still seem to just not get it:

    – Kerry won the debate

    – Kerry appeared Presidential in the debate, though some of his comments were questionable upon reflection (“Global Test” for just one example)

    – Bush sucked thoroughly

    – Kerry probably would have won the debate even if he hadn’t cheated

    – But Kerry DID break the rules, as the videos clearly show

    – Kerry is a well-known master-debater

    – Bush is well-known for being horrible in such situations

    – Kerry clearly violated the debate rules, therefore he CHEATED

    – What Kerry pulled out of his jacket pocket was clearly NOT a pen

    – Even if it WAS a pen (and it wasn’t), it was STILL a violation of debate rules

    – None of this is debatable

    Oh, and Bush is still leading in many polls.

    Now, over the next couple days, the media’s focus will be on Kerry’s cheating. And then there will be the VP debate.

    I fully expect Cheney will beat Edwards. If he does, Bush’s numbers will improve a bit. If Edwards unexpectedly pulls out a win, I believe Kerry will remain about even with Bush in the polls.

    But this particular post is about none of that. It’s about Kerry breaking the rules of the first debate.

    This is unquestionable. Deal with it.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    It WAS a pen, RJ. If you watch it on the NECN site to which you linked, you can see that he takes it out of his pocket, uncaps it, and immediately starts to write with it.

    If you watch it on a TV instead of your PC, you can see that even more clearly. There is no paper being unfolded — not even close. There is a pen in his right hand, which gives off such a reflection that it actually looks large when he initially starts to write with it. Was he writing on paper with a notecard? No, it was a pen.

    You can join the “vast left wing conspiracy” group if you wish, RJ. But look at the video at normal speed and you’ll see that there’s no way he took out paper or notecards and unfolded them and then picked up a pen and started to write with it.

    I already agreed Kerry broke the agreement not to bring any items to the podium. But it is indeed debatable whether or not bringing a pen constitutes cheating. And what’s not debatable is the right-wing contention that it was paper he took out of his pocket: it was obviously NOT paper of any kind. Again, watch the video at full speed and on a TV and you’ll see it clearly.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    BTW, some lefty sites are now suggesting that Bush cheated by wearing an ear piece. Who was he telling, “Let me finish” to, afterall, when nobody was interrupting him and he still had time on the clock?

    Wacky conspiracies come from all sides, RJ. Don’t let your partisan nature overrule your common sense.

    Oh, wait. Too late.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    EVERYONE!

    Please see this:

    http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001054.php

    Scroll down a bit. You’ll see two pictures. One shows Kerry with a square, white object in his hand. This does not appear, in any way, shape, or form, to be a pen.

    The other photo is a close-up of the same photo. It CLEARLY shows Kerry with a piece of paper in his hand, via his jacket pocket.

    How ANYONE with even a room temperature IQ could conclude this square, relatively large, white object is a fucking pen is beyond me.

    But then, I’m not a liberal Democrat…

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    RJ: Watch the VIDEO from a NEWS site! Stop looking at still shots from right-wing sites. Photoshop, anyone?

    Watch.

    The.

    Video.

    There is NO paper. Only pen.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Here’s the deal:

    If the media, in the coming days, provides PROOF that it’s a piece of paper of some sort, you will promise not to vote for Kerry.

    And if the media, in the coming days, provides PROOF that Bush was wearing an earpiece that fed him lines from Karl Rove, I will promise not to vote for Bush.

    Deal? :)

    (By the way, pens don’t look like that…)

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Oh, please send me these TIVO pics via e-mail. I wanna see what you are seeing…

  • Elembis

    I’ve seen the hi-res shot several times now, and it appears that Kerry took out a piece of paper with a pen clipped onto it. He held the cap steady with his left as he pulled the pen and paper away firmly with his right. (The accompanying jerking motion is obvious in the shots from the main cameras.) After continuing to nod and smile, he laid the cap and paper down.

    This is puzzling to me, simply because I can’t think of a more idiotic way to cheat. If it was a cheat sheet, why didn’t he lay it down immediately? He could’ve had a pen at the podium already, so the pen-uncapping motion was a horrible idea if he had cheating in mind.

    My guess is that Kerry clips his pens onto rigid 3×5″ cards rather than onto his pocket. If the effort he puts into his looks is extended toward his clothes, this would make a lot of sense. It’s not something that I’ve heard of before, but I think wearing down the edge of a 3×5″ card is a better idea than wearing down the edge of your coat pocket.

    (BTW: I don’t like either candidate much, but I prefer Kerry, and am glad he won the debate.)

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Honey, I don’t believe the crap about Bush and the earpiece. [but it would explain a lot!]

    My vote is my own and I don’t barter it away on web sites. And neither should you.

    I wish I could send the TiVo recording. I don’t think I can get it to my PC, though. I’d have to do it the old fashioned way — videotape. And who has any of those or a working VCR?

    What you see on a 27-inch TV is much different from what you see on the PC, even at full-screen. The resolution is sharper at full-size, for one. I’ve watched it in slow-motion and regular speed. Slow motion doesn’t actually help you see what’s in his hand. When you watch it at regular speed, you just see him reach into his pocket, take something smallish out, move his hands a little [to uncap the pen], then make the move to put the cap of the pen on the back end of it, and finally start writing as the camera switches to the front view. That’s it. No paper/note card looking items in his hand at all. No time to do something with some papers and then start with the pen. Nothing sneaky or subversive.

    In fact, if Jim Lehrer had been looking at Kerry instead of Bush at that moment, he would have seen most of the motion of Kerry’s reach into or out of his pocket. As it was, the cameras saw it, as did the people in the audience as Kerry turned to face forward.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Here’s more conspiracy theorizing in the comments at LGF. Quoting Kerry’s response to the opening question:

    All of these, and especially homeland security, which we’ll talk about a little bit later.

    How does he know what is coming up later in the debate unless he had a list of questions prior to the event????!!!

    Uh, dumbass, because the subjects of the debate were foreign policy and HOMELAND SECURITY.

    I’m telling ya, that Kerry is a crafty one, predicting that he will face questions about homeland security in a debate on … homeland security. Hey, he must have had Jim Lehrer’s questions ahead of time!

  • Eric Olsen

    commenters: when providing a URL for a link, please make the URL an actual HTML link so that the page doesn’t get, to put it politely, all fucked up. Thanks

  • Eric Olsen

    I cheated when I was watching – I stuck post-its up on the TV to remind me which candidate was which

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    heh, heh

  • Eric Olsen

    one of them kind of reminded me of Ross Perot

  • jim
  • boomcrashbaby

    Here is a comment (first one on the page) that did a freeze frame and enhanced the frame to see what Kerry took out of his pocket.

  • http://www.booklinker.blogspot.com Dean

    Hmmm, let me see…

    Bush invades Iraq under the pretense of WMD…

    Kerry pulls out a pen in a debate…

    Gosh I wonder what issue the campaign should turn on?

    I’ve been avoiding commenting on most of the political blather thus far, having watched the Dem’s scream about how Bush evaded service and the GOP villify Kerry as a SwiftBoat commander. All I can say is, for God’s sake GROW UP ALREADY.

    Are you kindergartners? The level of content and context in this election are about close to pure vapour as can ever be imagined. The media coverage is horrifically bad, the attention to issues, nuance and historical context almost completely lacking, and the partisan bellowing over trivia is overshadowing any type of useful commentary.

    You want to hand Kerry his head? – fine, DO IT, but pick something of substance or importance.

    You want to rip Bush a new one? Be my guest but frame a real position on an issue of importance (it’s not like there is a lack of issues in this election!).

    Please, try to delve a little bit below the superficial bulls**t.

    This rant is now over.

  • http://www.viewpointjournal.com David Flanagan

    I think what everyone should be aware of is the fact that the candidates were not allowed to have any personal writing utensils or notes during the debate. They were supposed to use the pens and note paper provided ONLY.

    So, even if it is a pen that Kerry pulls out, it shows his lack of concern over following the debate rules that HE agreed to.

    I guess you could say that he voted FOR the no pens and notes rule before he voted AGAINST it. ;-)

    David

  • Eric Olsen

    I also heard that the cameras (even CSPAN!) conspiratorially excluded the hoses trailing behind each candidate, obscuring the fact that each was receiving an inspirational enema

  • http://www.rodneywelch.blogspot.com Rodney Welch

    RJ, you’re making the Pyrenees out of an anthill. You sound like Nixon. The first thing he said after he lost to Kennedy was “The bastard used notes!” Nixon lost, of course, because of Nixon. The same goes for Bush. Dry up already.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    I also heard that the cameras (even CSPAN!) conspiratorially excluded the hoses trailing behind each candidate, obscuring the fact that each was receiving an inspirational enema

    That explains some of Bush’s facial expressions.

  • Eric Olsen

    good point!

  • http://www.jackejett.com jack e. jett

    kerry kicked that pussy lipped bush ass all over the place. bush moaned and groaned like a four year old girl getting a tooth pulled. that is because he has no brains, no balls, no penis. he is richard simmons in a suit. he is the lowest form of scum on the planet earth.

    my urine could beat george w. pussy bush in a debate.

    jack e. jett
    recent graduate of the
    right wing school for
    punditry

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    I just thought of something. Isn’t “pussy lipped” redundant?

  • Eric Olsen

    what’s worse, pussy lipped or pussy whipped?

  • boomcrashbaby

    I would have to say lipped.

    Pussy whipped makes me think of Julie Newmar or ‘When Ann-Margaret Attacks’ (the all new Fox show hosted by Sheriff John Bunnell).

    Pussy lipped makes me think of a pretty frightening botox explosion.

  • Eric Olsen

    you know, back in the days before travel and stuff, the sailors would come back from the mysterious orient saying the Asian women were horizontal as opposed to vertical – I am not making this up

  • http://www.jackejett.com jack e. jett

    eric:

    the sad thing is that i believe that about asian women for so long.

    jack e. jett

  • Eric Olsen

    your honesty is appreciated Jack E.

  • http://www.bigtimepatriot.com Big Time Patriot

    OH MY GOD!!

    I’m SO done with Kerry now..

    The rampant cheating in this debate shows he is a communist and probably worships the devil. Thank god, you convinced me. If a man should use his own pen during a debate where he was asked to use a different pen, the next thing he will be doing is making statements like “the Taliban is no longer in existence” and other kinds of dishonesty.

    I would be so ashamed if the candidate I was supporting started lying like that. Good bye Mr. Kerry!!

    I’m voting for a man who “stays the course” when it comes to debate rules about pens. Thats the man I want to be starting wars that my son will be drafted to clean up 5 years from now…

  • Eric Olsen

    yes, but more importantly, any thoughts on Asian women?

  • Shark

    RJ,

    Your boy lost fair and square.

    …AND YOU ARE A G.O.P GIRLIE MAN!!!

    Buck up.

    Quit Whining.

    Here’s a Kleenex.

  • Dawn
      yes, but more importantly, any thoughts on Asian women?

    Yes, it seems as though men are inordinantly attracted to them regardless of their individual attractiveness.

    Now I guess I know why.

  • http://www.restoreamerica.blogspot.com Ben

    Kerry pulled out his favorite pin for crying out loud. Is this all the Bushies have? Also, if you watch Bush during this same clip, he is unfolding a piece of paper. Although it is not clear where he took this paper from, it is doubtful that it came from his podium unless the debate moderators folded it up for him, which really doesn’t make sense.

    Bush has lied about Iraq by leading us to believe that Iraq had ties to 9/11, which has been disproven by the 9/11 bipartisan commission. Bush also misled us about Iraq by presenting the minority view about Iraq’s WMD capabilities and presenting it as though it was the consensus view.

    Also, Bush had a chance to get Zarqawi in 2002, but he ignored the advice of military experts and failed to do so because he was afraid that it would undermine his case for invading Iraq.

    Read this website for more details:

    http://www.restoreamerica.blogspot.com

  • Eric Olsen

    And here I wasn’t even aware that Kerry had a “favorite pin for crying”

  • http://ari.typepad.com Steve Rhodes

    look, it was probably a fucking pen.

    it just shows how badly Bush was beaten (fair & square) that the right is seizing on this. What are they going to do, sue Kerry?

    And it shows how Drudge really needs to be monitored. He flaks way too much nonsense like that which unfortunately does get picked up (see all the Kerry orange comments).

  • Eric Olsen

    I believe all coding issues are now resolved

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    RJ, will you be posting a retraction any time soon? Will you take back your words saying that Kerry cheated and has a lack of moral ethics? If you do, will you make it a separate post titled, “Kerry Didn’t Cheat!”?

    Or maybe you think a pen gave him an unfair advantage over Bush.

    It’s a pen. Even Brit Hume of Fox News says so. Check out this photo on the Daily Recycler’s blog, which was one of the first blogs to bang the gong about the so-called cheat sheet. The image is from Fox News.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “RJ, will you be posting a retraction any time soon? Will you take back your words saying that Kerry cheated and has a lack of moral ethics?”

    Why would I do that? He clearly broke the rules of the debate, as you yourself admitted. Breaking the rules = CHEATING. And CHEATING is indicative of a lack of ethics.

    “Or maybe you think a pen gave him an unfair advantage over Bush.”

    For all we know, the pen was engraved with shorthand notes. We’ll never know of course, because no one but Kerry (and perhaps his minions) inspected the pen before the debate. Which is exactly why the rules (the ones that Kerry clearly broke, remember) were put in place to begin with.

    I will retract my belief that the pen was a piece of folded paper. You were right, and I was wrong. Of course, from all the images I had seen up until now, it DID look a whole helluva lot more like a piece of paper than a pen. But when I’m wrong, I admit it. And I was wrong about that.

    Now, MOST LIKELY, Kerry broke the rules (i. e. cheated) simply because he wanted to bring his “lucky pen” or some such to the debate with him. Most likely there was no piece of paper with notes hidden inside the pen cap. Most likely.

    But we’ll never know for sure, because Kerry broke the debate rules. Which is, you know, cheating.

  • Shark

    I’ll be the first to admit that Kerry cheated.

    He had a large brain hidden in his cranium.

    Disadvantage: Bush.

    PS: RJ, you really are a “debate” girlie man.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Of course, from all the images I had seen up until now, it DID look a whole helluva lot more like a piece of paper than a pen.

    That’s because you were looking at right-wing sites.

    Most likely there was no piece of paper with notes hidden inside the pen cap. Most likely.

    This is just so sad I don’t have words for it.

    In your post, you said:

    Kerry had to cheat in order to win!

    Please explain how the pen enabled him to win.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    ME: Of course, from all the images I had seen up until now, it DID look a whole helluva lot more like a piece of paper than a pen.

    BHW: That’s because you were looking at right-wing sites.

    Are you suggesting that the “right-wing sites” I was viewing altered the images? If so, please provide proof…

    ME: Most likely there was no piece of paper with notes hidden inside the pen cap. Most likely.

    BHW: This is just so sad I don’t have words for it.

    Prove that there wasn’t a Trojan Horse in the pen.

    You can’t, can you?

    That’s exactly why Kerry’s behavior was prohibited. In other words, he broke the rules. In other words, he CHEATED.

    Now, AGAIN, for those who are unable/unwilling to read for context, I already stated that he PROBABLY did not use the illicit pen for the purposes of cheating. But I don’t know this, and neither do you.

    ALSO, I have said that Kerry likely would have won the debate no matter what, because Bush is a shitty debater, while Kerry is a master-debater.

    Get it, hun?

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    RJ, struck a nerve, did I?

    My point about the right-wing sites was two-fold: a) you saw what they told you to see and what you wanted to believe, and b) they may have altered the images.

    Hey, let’s take a poll. What’s more likely:

    a) that the anti-Kerry weblog brigade altered the images from the debate

    or

    b) Kerry smuggled in an engraved pen or a minute cheat sheet to the debate, which he then proceeded to read and/or unfold without anyone noticing and with his 60-plus-year-old eyes and no reading glasses

    Let’s go!

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “My point about the right-wing sites was two-fold: a) you saw what they told you to see and what you wanted to believe”

    “Told me to see”? I saw unedited video feed of the debate from several sites, not all of them “right-wing.” I do not report things that I am “told” to see. I report what I DO see.

    From the original video footage, it looked a whole lot more like a pen than a piece of paper.

    Since it has now become obvious that Kerry broke the rules with a pen, instead of paper, I have ceded the point.

    What more do you want? Human sacrifice?

    “and b) they may have altered the images.”

    Boston.com? Are they “right-wing”? Do you have any evidence to back that up? Any?

    “Hey, let’s take a poll. What’s more likely:

    a) that the anti-Kerry weblog brigade altered the images from the debate

    or

    b) Kerry smuggled in an engraved pen or a minute cheat sheet to the debate, which he then proceeded to read and/or unfold without anyone noticing and with his 60-plus-year-old eyes and no reading glasses”

    It appears neither happened. Though either is possible.

    I have no proof (how c ould I?) of my hypothesis. You have no proof (it would be easy to find) of yours.

    We are at an impasse.

    Kerry won the debate. He almost certainly would have, cheating or no cheating.

    Kerry cheated by bringing a pen into the debate, not a piece of folded paper. Point to you. (I really need to get TIVO sometime…)

    Kerry cheated (point to me).

    I guess THIS debate is a tie… ;)

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “From the original video footage, it looked a whole lot more like a pen than a piece of paper.”

    ERROR!

    “From the original video footage, it looked a whole lot more like a piece of paper than a pen.”

    Sorry… :-/

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    RJ, you saw what you wanted to see. And you published a post saying that Kerry **needed to cheat to win**. That’s what you said in your post, and I’m just asking you how the pen helped him win, or conversely, how he would have lost if he hadn’t had the pen. You directly linked the rules violation with the debate victory. But now I see you acknowledge that there was no link between the two [although you still toss in “almost certainly”].

    Most people don’t see a mere broken rule as cheating. The breaking of the rule has to give the rule breaker an advantage for it to be considered meaningful and therefore cheating. Sometimes, people just make mistakes. You may be able to point to a dictionary definition that supports your point, but real people aren’t going to get worked up about the pen when it had no impact on the debate and when global terrorism is on the radar. If the outcome of the debate would be the same without the pen, who cares?

    The right-wing blogs have now rendered utterly pointless the legitimate, but minor, story that Kerry violated the debate agreement by bringing his pen to the podium.

    To boot, they made Bush supporters look desperate to find something, ANYthing to discredit Kerry’s performance in the debate. That’s how badly he beat Bush that night, and that’s how a-scared they are Bush will lose in November in Kerry’s momentum keeps up.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    I should add that some leftie blogs are now giving Bush the cheater treatment by suggesting *he* brought a cheat sheet to the podium.

    I think they’re idiots, too, for doing exactly what the righty blogs did: parsing only a small portion of the video on their PCs, rather than watching the entire shot on a TV at actual speed.

    They’re claiming that when Bush walked up to his podium, he reached into his pocket, took out a piece of paper, and unfolded it onto the podium. They’re basing this accusation on a brief shot of Bush from behind, after he arrived at his podium.

    But I’ve watched the entire shot from the time Bush and Kerry shake hands to the time Bush gets to his podium, and I never saw him reach into any pockets. And his hands were basically visible the entire time.

    In fact, when they say Bush is unfolding a piece of paper, I think he’s actually just doing what Kerry was doing: getting his pen ready.

    This is the sad state of politics in America, and, honestly, one of the down sides of blogging. Not that our “legitimate” media pals have been all that professional lately, but stuff like this, these unfounded accusations based on junior CSI wannabees sitting at their PCs, will be the undoing of the political blogs.

  • Eric Olsen

    bhw, “clown side of blogging”: I like that, and the more rabidly partisan the blogger, the more clownish. The need to be cutting edge, to forward the story, leads many, including Drudge, to flout the rules and ethics of good journalism. We don’t need a new media based upon half-truths and pandering falsehood – we have enough of that in the old media.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    Bush smashed Kerry in those debates