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Last night at MTV's Video Music Awards show, young Taylor Swift – a country music star – won for Best Female Video. Good for her. Here she is attempting her acceptance speech, in this CNN Video: "I sing Country Music, so thank you so much for giving me a chance to win a VMA award." And, then, Kanye West takes the mic from her and announces that "Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time." Poor Taylor Swift looked just devastated.

I'm wondering just what possessed Kanye West to lose his mind on national television last night. Everything I've ever read about him suggests that he's a good guy. He's supposedly polite, and treated his late mother with respect, but last night he went a little nuts. I'm left wondering, is Kanye West just the product of his own stardom, or is he an example of how far down we've traveled as a society?

Nowadays, anyone can say and do anything to someone else and there are no repercussions. We can all stand behind the First Amendment. Admittedly, I'm just as guilty as others. Back when President Bush was in office, I sold t-shirts making fun of him and decisions the Republican Party made. I think the meanest one I sold was of Bush dressed like a scarecrow with the saying, "I could be another Lincoln, if I only had a brain." Amazingly, that one didn't sell as many as the one saying, "Bush does not play well with others." Flash forward to President Obama's run for the White House, and a co-worker approached me with a t-shirt idea. It was a picture of Obama with a target behind his head. "You'll sell millions," he said. It made my stomach crawl. I was shocked that someone would actually want to sell, and someone else would buy, a t-shirt like that. My "If I only had a brain" looked pretty tame. Needless to say, I declined.

I think we've taken this rudeness a little too far in recent months. Instead of having a calm and rational discussion on health care, we're screaming at each other. Instead of protesting the war in Iraq peacefully, some protesters are actually spitting on our servicemen. We need to make a change in this nation. Let's put aside the name calling and the yelling and start being a little nicer to everyone. We want our children to be nice to people when they go to school, so why don't we show them a good example?

The only person who showed real class last night was Beyonce, in giving up her own acceptance speech to allow Taylor to continue hers. Beyonce showed a lot of class and I think the rest of us could learn a thing or two from her.

God Bless.

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  • zingzing

    kanye west is the court jester of the pop world. he’s a hell of a lot more interesting than taylor swift, and more talented as well. and it’s stuff like this that is precisely the reason for how awesome he is. he’s a living, breathing ego, and there’s nothing quite like it out there right now.

    revel in it.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Kanye West doesn’t care about white people

  • Dawn

    Nice article and I couldn’t agree more, except the part about Kanye being polite. I’ve never heard him called that before. Total asswipe, jerk, arrogant, obnoxious, sure, but polite, that’s a new one.

    People need to get over themselves and stop thinking every moment is about them. I guess they aren’t teaching the Golden Rule in school anymore.

  • zingzing

    kanye west is our collective pop id.

  • Maddy Pumilia

    I love Taylor Swift. She is amazing.

    Kanye … not so much.

  • http://theglenblog.blogspot.com Glen Boyd

    What possessed Kanye was a pre-show bottle of Hennessy and a whole lot of insecurities that he masks with egomania. What an asshole.

    -Glen

  • zingzing

    isn’t he awesome?

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    you might want to set the awesome bar a little higher, zing

  • zingzing

    celebrities set the bar, not i. and if you can think of a pop musician who is more interesting, both as a musician and a personality (asshole though that may be), i’d be surprised. really, i don’t give a shit if he’s a dick or not. he puts out some of the best pop singles of the time AND he’s constantly doing ridiculous, smarmy, hilarious things. he’s a gem.

  • klondikekitty

    I guess all the comments made here by “zingzing” just prove to support the theory that Americans have become selfish and rude, and don’t care about anyone else but themselves . . . It’s okay, I believe in karma, what goes around, comes around, and Kanye West will get his sooner or later . . so will u, zingzing . . .

  • http://acrylicstyle.com Acrylic Style

    I’ll let you finish, but Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time!…

  • Jordan Richardson

    This is a massively overblown situation compounded by the intentions of people to “protect” someone like poor Taylor Swift simply because she looked stunned and shocked.

    It’s Kanye being Kanye and, like zing’s saying, it’s interesting. We’re all talking about it, aren’t we? This is rock and roll, people. It was rock and roll when the bassist from RATM sat atop the structure in 2000 when Limp Bizkit was accepting their award.

    What’s maddening about this situation is how people are reacting. Look at some of these comments: “Kanye will get his….so will u, zingzing.” What the hell does that mean? If Kanye is rude for a 5-second interruption, what does that make you, klondikekitty, for threatening people with the “laws of karma?”

    The fact is that Americans haven’t become selfish and rude, they (and we, as humans) have always been that way. Kanye was drunk, a jerk and an asshole. But it wasn’t the first time, it won’t be the last and it makes for damn good television. Taylor would have simply accepted the award for a crap video and left had this not happened. Now, as it is, everybody’s on her side and talking about it more than they should be. If you ask me, the kid’ll be just fine with all of popdom on her side over this.

    Incidentally, people wondering why people might be egotistical at a damn awards show really need a reality check. The whole night was about ego, for crying out loud.

  • zingzing

    hey kitty. what did i do that was selfish? not hate on a guy? not be all judgmental? you really ought to look in a mirror if you’re going to talk about karma. for shame, kitten. for shame.

    i just think he’s interesting. who would really care about the self-reflexive celebrity back-patting that is the vma’s if kanye had come out an made an ass of himself? no one. that made the night.

    and if you really want your musicians to be nice all the time, you’re gonna have to hate a bunch of musicians. for every paul mccartney, there’s a john lennon, and mccartney isn’t always nice either.

  • http://theglenblog.blogspot.com Glen Boyd

    Celebrities behaving badly will always be a source of fascination for the public. Like Jordan says, we are all talking about it, aren’t we?

    For the most part these shows celebrate mostly disposable flavor of the minute pop that will be replaced by whoever next years pretty faces are. There are exceptions of course…Beyonce’s a talented singer (and a class act); Green Day is a good modern-day version of the Ramones; and Jay Z’s a decent rapper. But for the most part its not really about art or talent.

    My bitch here is that the lack of civility and decorum. If we have to celebrate this crud, at least have some respect for the show and for your fellow “artists” and let them have their moment. The lack of just plain and simple respect public figures seem to have these days — whether its a nutcase congressman shouting down the president of the United States during a nationally televised address to congress, or Kanye behaving like a boorish drunken lout, and in essence beating up on an innocent, mostly defenseless sixteen year old waif like Taylor Swift — just amazes me.

    But as Jordan said, we are all talking about it aren’t we? So what does that say about our entertainment choices?

    -Glen

  • http://theglenblog.blogspot.com Glen Boyd

    I always liked the image of a drunk Lennon wearing a kotex on his head outside of the Troubadour, or Keith Moon driving a Rolls Royce into the hotel pool. Those are funny images to me. The difference here is the behaviour came at the expense of someone else’s moment, and someone who was not equipped to defend it.

    I won’t be buying any Taylor Swift records anytime soon (or any Kanye West for that matter). But if we must celebrate this crud, at least show some common courtesy for your fellow performers.

    -Glen

  • zingzing

    she’s 19, not 16. she’s no child.

    and do you remember the story of lennon mocking the “spastics” they wheeled up to the front row at concerts? now that’s mean. burn him!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Glen,

    The problem is that American culture is built upon going on the offensive. Look at the various forms of media for countless examples. Talk radio is filled with callers being cut off and rudeness from the hosts and producers, complete with “shock jocks” and the like. Cable news pundits are celebrated for telling honest, defenseless guests to “shut up” and ordering for microphones to be cut off. As you mentioned, public discourse is actually carrying signs and placards as though one is attending a professional wrestling event. Press conferences are given attention if there’s some sort of a scuffle. And so on.

    This isn’t new, either. It’s in the bloodstream and it has been for quite some time. Americans have long prided themselves on being bigger, louder, faster and flat-out better than the rest. It’s a relentless spirit of competition that breeds contempt for fellow human beings and it shouldn’t be shocking that it would seep into the self-congratulatory and utterly meaningless arena of MTV awards programming.

    So when drunk Kanye West takes all of five seconds to heap praise on Beyonce’s video during Taylor’s moment, you’ll have to forgive me for not thinking it’s that big of a deal. I think it’s much more of a big deal to look at the fallout and the reaction. When Pink calls Kanye the biggest piece of shit “on earth,” for example, her overreaction staggers me in light of what’s going on in our world and what sorts of evil and REAL pieces of shit there are out there. When comments across the internet call for Kanye to be lynched, killed, murdered, and the like, that strikes me as much, much ruder than anything Kanye did.

    The situation was unfortunate, but that’s about it. That it took away from the other performances of the night, most of which were actually very good (Lady Gaga was brilliant!), has more to do with us as an audience than anything Kanye did.

    What’s ruder? Kanye’s five seconds or the public’s unforgiving attitude and thirst for vengeance towards him?

    The reaction to this situation says more about us as a society and what we choose to pay mind to than it does about anything in the entertainment industry. There have always been throwaway pop stars, there have always been flash in the pans, and there always will be. There will also always be legends. The difference between our time and times gone by is that we expect to know who are legends are going to be RIGHT NOW instead of waiting for the legacy of history to bear them out.

    While I get that Taylor Swift may not have been “equipped” to defend herself in her moment, she got her moment and then some later on. She’s young, but I truly believe it could have been anyone besides Beyonce up there winning and Kanye would’ve done the exact same thing. It had NOTHING to do with Taylor Swift.

    Forgive the ranting and rambling, but I’ve had a little too much Hennie. :)

  • Ted

    You MTV encourages him to do this shit.

  • Ted

    I meant ‘you know‘…

  • http://theglenblog.blogspot.com Glen Boyd

    I agree with what you say in principle Jordan. Doesn’t mean I have to like it though…

    My point is that even in a cultural environment that does both encourage and even reward this kind of shit — and truth be told, rock and roll has encouraged this as much as anything has — there’s still a place and time for it.

    If some crackpot congressman wants to have his say about Obama, there’s a hundred talking idiots on FOX news and the like ready and eager to give him the forum for that. The proper forum is not a nationally advised address in the halls of congress by the president of the United States. That kind of shit used to be unthinkable, regardless of what party you support, or your personal politics are.

    So I guess we shouldn’t be surprised when we see it on an awards show like the VMAs. Hell, half the time they stage stuff like this.

    My point is that Kanye showed a stunning lack of respect for everyone involved. Not just Taylor Swift, but Beyonce, the memory of Michael Jackson (which his BS effectively upstaged), the show itself, and pretty much everyone there as well as those watching at home.

    I just find the lack of common courtesy and decency he displayed appalling. That said, some of the comments on the internet have been equally dismaying, and open up another whole can of worms in this debate. The underlying albatross in all of the public discussion about these “incidents” involving Kanye and Taylor, Obama and the Congressman, etc. is the issue of race.

    It seems to me that the public discourse has taken a disturbingly ugly turn in recent weeks.

    -Glen

  • paula

    Kanye West has no class.

  • STM

    Id DID spoil her moment, though.

    And it WAS selfish and it WAS thoughtless and boorish.

    Too much money, not enough sense.

    You can’t teach class, though. It’s there or it ain’t.

    In Kanye’s case, obviously it ain’t.

  • http://theglenblog.blogspot.com Glen Boyd

    His apology tonight on Leno seemed genuine. Granted it was his third apology in 24 hours, and he didn’t seem real sincere in either of the first two. I think it’s finally sunk in though…he seemed genuinely sorry.

    -Glen

  • Maddy Pumilia

    “His apology tonight on Leno seemed genuine. Granted it was his third apology in 24 hours, and he didn’t seem real sincere in either of the first two. I think it’s finally sunk in though…he seemed genuinely sorry.” (Glen Boyd)

    I agree with this completely. This morning I had no respect for Kanye. Now, at least, I can respect him a little.

    Maddy

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    you called it “awesome,” zing, so you are the one setting the bar. And what exactly was so interesting about it? Rude, obnoxious people pop up at least once a week on the pop-culture landscape. It was actually rather boring and lacked imagination, like most of his music, although it’s no surprise a buffoon who ruins a good Ray Charles song thinks stealing choreography from Bob Fosse equates to “one of the best music videos of all time.”

    Kayne is constantly belly-aching when he loses and here he is stealing someone else’s time in the spotlight. So what if it was just a crappy country/pop song or not the greatest video or just an award show, he obviously believes these events are important or he wouldn’t keep showing up. That was her moment to thank all the people that helped her and supported her and got her to where she is and he was too selfish to see that and he ruined it.

    Not a surprise he rolled over and apologized. Ooh, what a rebel. Now we just need Glen to apologize for that ridiculous Green Day/Ramones comparison.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I happen to agree, zing. Why should celebs not be held accountable to the same standards that ordinary mortals? Because it’s a part of the act? Because they’re rebels? Rude is rude, and what’s condemnable in one should be condemnable in others.

    Look at Serena Williams’s behavior yesterday at the finals of the US Open. By your logic, she ought to get away with murder because she’s a star. Well, she didn’t. But I suppose the music business sets a “higher bar.”

  • http://theglenblog.blogspot.com Glen Boyd

    Ooh, what a rebel. Now we just need Glen to apologize for that ridiculous Green Day/Ramones comparison…

    And ruin my own “rebel” image? Never!

    -Glen

  • Jordan Richardson

    My point is that even in a cultural environment that does both encourage and even reward this kind of shit — and truth be told, rock and roll has encouraged this as much as anything has — there’s still a place and time for it.

    Yes, indeed. Everything but the five seconds of Kanye West was pretty cordial and polite. But, as I’ve been saying, here we are talking about Kanye. What does that tell you? That respect is gone? No. It tells you that we don’t pay much attention to it and that we don’t care about it. We’d rather harp and bitch about the bad, like on Olbermann’s show when they equated Kanye with that “You Lie” guy and equated Taylor’s acceptance speech at a damn MTV show with the president’s address.

    My point is that Kanye showed a stunning lack of respect for everyone involved. Not just Taylor Swift, but Beyonce, the memory of Michael Jackson (which his BS effectively upstaged), the show itself, and pretty much everyone there as well as those watching at home.

    I don’t honestly buy that. We let it upstage that. We’re talking about it. I bet even Taylor doesn’t care as much as we all do. Blame Kanye for being a dick and being rude, but it takes more than five seconds of goofball shit to ruin a whole show. I honestly forgot all about it the second it was finished and was right into Lady Gaga’s performance immediately after. It didn’t even occur to me until I saw the fuss that was being made about it online.

    I just find the lack of common courtesy and decency he displayed appalling.

    Understandable. I wasn’t “appalled” and I usually don’t get upset over things like this. It comes with the culture and I’ve learned that there are much, much more appalling examples of rudeness and indecency happening every single second. People cut each other off all the time. It happens. It shouldn’t, but it does.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Good article on the sit. in Canada’s National Post right heeeere.

  • Jordan Richardson

    By your logic, she ought to get away with murder because she’s a star.

    What was the big deal there, anyway, and why the double-standard? Isn’t John McEnroe still vehemently celebrated for that sort of thing (and much, much worse)? How is yelling at a line judge and smashing your record akin to “getting away with murder?”

    Now “answer my question, jerk!” ;)

  • Brian aka Guppusmaximus

    Is this shite really news? I mean, shouldn’t we be more concerned about whether or not Faith No More is going to tour the US?!

  • http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=463156 JC Mosquito

    The fact that what transpired on the show is getting more discussion and coverage than the music on which the show is supposedly based says it all. What was it they used to shout at the Beatles in those German nightclubs? – Mach shau! Mach shau!

  • zingzing

    “you called it “awesome,” zing, so you are the one setting the bar. And what exactly was so interesting about it?”

    i called HIM awesome. big difference. this is the one little act that pushed him from very highly strung celebrity into holy shit that’s crazy celebrity. his ego must look like a looney tune.

    “It was actually rather boring and lacked imagination, like most of his music, although it’s no surprise a buffoon who ruins a good Ray Charles song…”

    that’s not one of his better songs, and are you really going to say you’ve listened to and can judge “most of his music?”

    “Not a surprise he rolled over and apologized. Ooh, what a rebel.”

    he’s not a rebel, he’s a nut! i don’t think you quite understand my fascination with the guy, although i think i made it quite clear: he’s a fucking loon. an egotistical ball of insecurities, liable at any moment to do something stupid. he’s an incredible celebrity, the likes we haven’t seen in a while. individual moments of this kind of behavior is one thing, but kanye has built quite a resume.

    “That was her moment to thank all the people that helped her and supported her and got her to where she is and he was too selfish to see that and he ruined it.”

    i wish he had done it to someone else, like a britney spears or a sting, but he did it when he did it, and it’s too late now. besides, taylor swift is now more popular than ever and 10 times as many people know that she won that award. truthfully, he did her a favor.

  • zingzing

    roger: “I happen to agree, zing. Why should celebs not be held accountable to the same standards that ordinary mortals? Because it’s a part of the act? Because they’re rebels? Rude is rude, and what’s condemnable in one should be condemnable in others.”

    bullshit. and where did this “rebel” word come from? i’m OBVIOUSLY not celebrating the individual act, it’s that i’m in constant amazement at the shit kanye west does. totally different. i don’t give a shit if he was rude or not. and come on… rude? oh dear. get me my shotgun, we got a rude one.

    “Look at Serena Williams’s behavior yesterday at the finals of the US Open. By your logic, she ought to get away with murder because she’s a star. Well, she didn’t.”

    tennis is different than music. much, much different. one involves grass and balls and the other one features heavy breathing. anyway, mcenroe.

    “But I suppose the music business sets a “higher bar.””

    i hope you don’t mean that, in any sense you could have. no, music does not set or meet any politeness bar. maybe taylor swift does, but she’s dull. music shouldn’t worry about being polite. fuck that. the late 70s wants to hold a history class with you.

  • zingzing

    the major fact here, and the one that a lot of you refuse to acknowledge, is that you don’t give a shit about taylor swift either. “oh, that poor girl,” you say, in mock-sincerity. obviously, all of this isn’t about caring for somebody else’s feelings, it’s about spilling vitriol and condemning another person, who, for all you know, might be a severely tortured soul that you are just poring hatred on. and you’re getting a kick out of it. mm, mmm that sweet taste of kicking a man when he’s down.

    go ahead, name a taylor swift song off the top of your head. you don’t give a shit about her. why is tom cruise more talked about than daniel day lewis? because he’s a nut that we can condemn. what’s the first thing you think of when you think of woody allen? he married his adopted daughter. condemn!

    if celebrities are a reflection of a nation, then we just got a good look at ourselves, now didn’t we?

  • Doug Hunter

    The difference between the president shouter and Kanye is the targets of their attack. Kanye is on the lefties good side for stating Bush hates blacks and he was upstaging a red state country act… perfect. Of course, the usual lefty suspects (minus Roger) are going to defend him. When incivility occurs the other way the roles are reversed. Very predictable. Thanks for being the real rebel Roger!

  • zingzing

    doug, this isn’t about politics. for fuck’s sake.

  • Doug Hunter

    If the shoe fits…

    At least I’m honest about my biases. The bending of logic required to defend this outburst is humorous in itself. I just noted a trend among those most determined to play this down and support the POS.

  • zingzing

    but there is no shoe, doug. there isn’t a political bent to this. if there is, it isn’t because kanye said that about bush and taylor swift is “red state” because she sings something like country.

    like i said above, no one really gives a shit about taylor swift or this outburst. it’s just an excuse to spit on someone, like we always do. and i didn’t defend the outburst at all. i may have reveled in its crassness, but that’s not defending it.

  • Doug Hunter

    “maybe taylor swift does, but she’s dull.”

    Hmmm. List of other things considered ‘dull’.

    School.
    Maintaining a family and taking care of kids.
    Going to work as a productive member of society every day.
    Not doing drugs or abusing alcohol.
    Being polite and turning the other cheek.

    She speaks to a segment of the population with different values. Musical snobbery and pretentiousness, like any, is pathetic in it’s own right. Certain music touches different people in different ways. Perhaps some people enjoy the ‘dull’ life. Those people supported her and ‘earned’ her that award.

  • zingzing

    “Hmmm. List of other things considered ‘dull’.” etc, etc.

    those may be fine things, but i don’t look to music (or celebrities) to do those things.

    “She speaks to a segment of the population with different values.”

    fine, but it makes for dull music.

    “Perhaps some people enjoy the ‘dull’ life.”

    good for them, but you can still enjoy the dull life and listen to interesting music. what is it that ever stated you had to listen to pap, boring, manufactured, cliched, melodically-challenged music in order to do those things?

  • zingzing

    i do note with some satisfaction that the conversation was pretty much shut down when i pointed out that people just enjoy condemning others. for shame.

  • Doug Hunter

    Because those things are matters of opinion. I don’t listen to music with the intention of determining if it’s cliched or manufactered. The fact of whether or not the music touches my emotions has little do with the technical quality of the musician or singer performing it. I could care less if the singer is ugly or beautiful or a rebel or straightlaced.

    Differents songs touch chords for different people. What brings tears to my wifes eyes might just as well be claws on a chalkboard to me and I’m know she winces when I happen to come across Kashmir playing on an oldies station.

    You have your opinion, Kanye has his, and I have mine. None of us has the right, or should even want, to tear down what other people decided to celebrate at their award show.

  • Doug Hunter

    LOL at #42 So true.

  • zingzing

    “I don’t listen to music with the intention of determining if it’s cliched or manufactered.”

    but when it is, so is the “emotion” you get out of it. it takes you for a fool.

    “The fact of whether or not the music touches my emotions has little do with the technical quality of the musician or singer performing it. ”

    trust me, technical quality matters nothing to me. but if you can find a real emotion on the top 40 charts, then you have a hell of a ride in the rest of the music world waiting for you.

  • Doug Hunter

    There may be manufactured emotion out there, but there’s also manufactured rebellion. When you must conform to the counterculture to be accepted, what differentiates it from popular culture?

    Anyway, as with most of the arts I take the often unpopular position (among critics) that there’s nothing wrong with being popular. I know that doesn’t make me hip and cool. I should take the low hanging fruit and make Britney Spears jokes while randomly yelling ‘sellout!’ at the TV.

    It is just as fake to me to see someone embrace something because of slick marketing and popular groupthink as it is to see people purposely dislike something for those same reasons.

  • zingzing

    of course there’s manufactured rebellion. that’s why you stay away from manufactured stuff. now and again, something sneaks through.

    and of course there’s nothing wrong with being popular. popular taste is fickle and, to an extent, random. every year, some pretty amazing stuff makes it into the top 40. but a majority of the stuff that makes it there is slick, manufactured, lowest common denominator stuff. picking the gems out is actually pretty easy. sometimes, rarely, even the manufactured stuff has such appeal that you can dismiss the origins of it.

    but it is sad to see people just latching onto the same product, again and again, without branching out.

    just the idea that the black eyed peas have dominated the singles charts since APRIL makes me kinda sick.

    i don’t disagree with a single thing you say (in #46). that said, the top 40 represents about 1/10th of 1% of the music out there. so what do you think the chances are that you can find something good outside of that portion of the music world?

  • Arch Conservative

    Kanye West is an egotistical, no-talent, racist douche.

    What else is there to say?

  • zingzing

    plenty, obviously.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Wasn’t talking about quality of the music, Zing, only about “off court behavior” – both in cases of Serena and Kanye. If it’s part of the performance – no problemo, as in any street/revolutionary theater (which is one way to look at rap). But it wasn’t. So you’re overacting, zing, because I wasn’t criticizing music.

    But Jordan is a bigger “jerk” – and I’m throwing this word back in his face – for failing to realize that saying “I’m gonna show this ball down your throat” isn’t the same as smashing a racket, and should not be tolerated from a millionaire superstar just because she’s a millionaire superstar.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Roger, it wasn’t tolerated. She was bloody tossed and lost the match. How was that “tolerated?”

    And if you think all John McEnroe did back in the day was smash his racket, you should go Youtube some of his rants.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Kanye West is an egotistical, no-talent, racist douche.

    Hmmm, reminds me of someone…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I didn’t use the term, Jordan, as though a counterfactual – only in the sense that it oughtn’t to be.

  • zingzing

    roger: “So you’re overacting, zing, because I wasn’t criticizing music.”

    well, maybe. but i wasn’t talking about music (to you) either. i was talking about rock stars. i prefer my rock stars snotty, aloof and mumbling. see mark e. smith. or sharp and witty. see moz. or downright mean. see john lydon. or just fucking weird. see prince. or fiends of one kind or another. see johnny thunders. i don’t look up to them, but i don’t look up to rock stars in general. and nobody should. as a whole, they’re messed up people, leading a life most of us will never attain. once you get to that level of stardom, you’re going to be a little nutty, and i want them to embrace what they are: fucked up and loving it.

    julie: “As the author of the article, I’d like to say that I do like Taylor Swift and name one of her songs: “Teardrops on my guitar”. Next, I wasn’t intending to shame or judge Kayne West, I was merely using his outburst as an example of society’s overall lack of respect for one another.”

    julie, i wasn’t really meaning for that comment to go towards you. it was just towards people were writing stuff like “kanye west is a douche!” “kanye west is an asshole!” etc. it got to the point where is was just stupid and mean, meaner than he was. and without the least bit of repentance. so they were worse, or at least enjoying it more, than he ever was.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    OK, then. I understand the dynamics. It comes with the territory. So if you’re saying we must therefore excuse them because we, the public, created the Frankenstein monster, then you’re right, because in that case we’re being hypocritical. My point was really about the the distinction between the purpose (or rock or any alternative culture presentation) with what these people do as human beings in their personal life (not that they have any). And that’s what I meant in essence: if they’re not rebels or “revolutionaries,” and the “act” is nothing but a performance, their “heart” not being in it, then in my mind they’re not entitled to any special privileges. And in that case, it’s only a hype.

  • zingzing

    “And in that case, it’s only a hype.”

    all press is good press.

  • boJangle

    kanye west is a DB. he has NO respect for people that are not like him, and don’t have the same agenda that he does. and honestly, beyonce’s video sucked- she was dancing around in her underwear, WOW! really impressive, took a lot of thought to come up w/ that one. but mayb thats y kanye liked it so much. atleast taylor put some effort n2 hers. but whatever, taylor won and kanye won NOTHING! hahahaha…

  • Moof

    Jesus christ, I still don’t see what the big deal is about this. All he did is say that Beyonce’s video is better. Yes, he interupted her and was rude but it’s not as if he punched her or anything.

    There’s much worse things out there to worry about than this pointless issue.

    Btw, I AM NOT defending Kanye at all but I think it’s going to extremes to say things like “he should be shot” just over something like this.

  • Henry3

    I can understand the hate but no offence how can anyone here even substantiate the evidence to call Mr West an ‘egotistical, no-talent, racist douche’. I know music is very subjective but he has released 4 albums which are all critically acclaimed in some manner. He didnt win an award because he didnt even release an album that year available for selection of an award! Taylor Swift is generic and straight from the cookie cutter mold with her lyrics and songs. On the flip side dont get me wrong i quite like taylor swift and could mention possibly 10 songs from her albums but point to her albums and ill show you 12 songs which are original in no way or sense. Her age and sales allow her to appeal to one of the largest markets in music, Teenage Girls. You can atleast call Kanye West ‘new and fresh’ as he both writes and produces the majority of his work and with each release he has developed. The uninformed observer could say he is a talentless smuck who cant sing, rap and doesn’t respect or care about his fellow human beings but in his catalogue you have classics like ‘hey mama’, ‘roses’ and ‘family business’ that shows he indeed does have deep respect for his family. You can look at the perspective of social problems he creates with ‘diamonds from sierra leone’,’all falls down’,’spaceship and if you actually bother to listen to the lyrics behind ‘gold digger’ you might get what he is trying to point out! I am not saying what he did wasn’t wrong and im certainly not touching the politics behind it but its wrong to attack the man’s talent or morals. He made the mistake which will probably be added to a list of many others but we all have problems and to call him classless over a five second gesture is simply stupid.