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In a recent article on Politico Alex Isenstadt reveals that John McCain is going around the country promoting candidates and trying to shape the field of GOP hopefuls for the 2010 election in his moderate conservative model. Clearly the GOP is ripe for change and there is a great push from the grassroots, but where John McCain got the idea that he should guide that change or that he even retains any political relevancy is absolutely mystifying.

As a leader McCain has a legacy of having doubled back on virtually every admirable position he ever held, running a truly incompetent presidential campaign and losing one of the most humiliating defeats the GOP has suffered since World War Two. His current political philosophy appears to be one of tolerating excessive spending and pandering to the religious right, pretty much the same policy as George W. Bush which got us into the mess we are currently in and paved the way for the extreme left to take the White House, Senate and House. When this is what he has to offer, why would anyone listen to him.

Isenstadt pegs the answer pretty well. It’s money. McCain is tied in to the corporate donors and wealthy country club Republicans who are the last of the old guard. They don’t see him as threatening the way they see rogues like Palin and the rising grassroots elements in the party. McCain is safe and predictable and can be counted on, and when all you want is influence with a party desperate for power, you’ll pay for that. So McCain can raise milliions for his hand-picked candidates and give them a financial advantage to offset their ideological bankruptcy.

To me it seems like those donors are throwing good money after bad. McCain sure didn’t give them value for their investment in his campaign last year, and though he may have an easier job delivering results next year, those results are unlikely to really strengthen the party. Now don’t misread me. I’d rather have McCain’s kind of candidates in office than Democrats, but they will be weaker candidates than those who are rising fromt he grassroots with youth and enthusiasm and a dedication to real Republican principles of smaller government and individual liberty. If we get a mix of the two types of candidates elected that’s not so bad. But if McCain’s hacks start squeezing out better candidates in important races that’s going to hurt the party in the long run.

The real question is what gives McCain the authority to do this. He shouldn’t have enough legitimacy to hail a cab, much less pick candidates. The party ought to be watching his efforts very closely, because his interests and the best interests of the party as a whole may not be the same. Official party organizations like the NRSC and the NRCC and the RNC should be fulfilling this role, not McCain, and they should be basing their decisions on what the party membership wants, and overwhelmingly that is not more of the same and certainly not more of the failure which taints McCain’s career. The rank and file want real change and a return to core Republican values and that’s not what McCain is offering.

McCain thinks he can steal a victory in 2010 based on the failures of the Democrats and spending a lot of money on key races, but that’s not going to be enough. The Democrats are not the only enemy. The complacency and loss of focus of the Republican party is as big a problem. We need to put our own house in order before we will really beat the Democrats, and we can’t do that so long and McCain continues to promote the failed politics of equivocation, pandering and corruption which has marred his career and which so clearly failed during the last 8 years.

McCain is not someone Republicans who want a great future for their party should be listening to. He’s like a noisome ghost who needs to be exorcised, embodying all the mistakes which need to be undone and all the bad ideas which need to be cast aside. McCain represents the status quo and the status quo is currently one of abject failure. Anyone who cares about the GOP and its future ought to be shouting for McCain to get out of the way and let the party go through the change and renewal which it so desperately needs.

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  • Arch Conservative

    McCain sucks. There’s really no better way to put it.

    I remember his mother saying during the campaign that GOP voters would just have to hold their noses and vote for him.

    Well guess what Johnny boy………I didn’t vote for you. I voted for Chuck Baldwin. How you like them apples? Now go sit in the corner and shut the fuck up!

  • Arch Conservative

    Oh and while we’re on the subject of who the GOP should and shouldn’t be listening to in the future……..

    Sarah Palin would be very useful for some things a man needs but I aint talkin’ bout running for office if you get the drift.

    Mike Huckabee should stay out of the way and do something he’d be better qualified for like doing subway commercials with Jared, telling everyone how he lost over 100 pounds.

    Rudy who? Fred who?

    Bobby Jindal? Not after that response speech he gave after the state of the union address.

    My money is on Romney, Pawlenty or some as of now unknown but worthwhile candidate.

    If we get stuck with another incompetent jackass like McCain again I will be voting Constitution party again.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Romney is a taller, younger McCain. Right now Pawlenty may be our only hope for 2012.

    But even McCain isn’t enough to justify voting for a nut like Baldwin.

    Dave

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    McCain is not someone Republicans who want a great future for their party should be listening to. He’s like a noisome ghost who needs to be exorcised, embodying all the mistakes which need to be undone and all the bad ideas which need to be cast aside.

    So far John McCain was the only Republican candidate I saw with the intestinal fortitude – the honor! – to call out his own supporters who were going way too far in their hatred of Obama, and to tell them that they were wrong. Palin sure didn’t. Neither did Romney/Giuliani/Pawlenty/Huckabee.

    When he did speak out, McCain followed the Navy core values – honor, courage, commitment. I know that sounds corny and quixotic to many of you, but it means something to senior and retired military. By refusing to follow McCain’s example, by either refusing to speak up against their own for what was right, the Republican party has forgotten honor and courage. They have only commitment – the wrong commitment that leads them to do such things as rooting against America being awarded the Olympic games just because they don’t like Obama…and cheering when Rio de Janiero was chosen over Chicago. Their hatred of President Obama was – is – greater than their love of America.

    Honor. Courage. So long as you support and elect those who don’t show these traits, the lack of those traits apply to the party as a whole.

  • Ruvy

    Dogs return to their vomit? Is that the correct phrase? If you guys are so stupid as to return to that idiot, you deserve whatever vomitus you get….

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Glenn, I think you’re seeing McCain through partisan glasses. He’s hardly the model of honor and courage and steadfastness you think he is. He’s a waffling old fool whose better intentions are constantly overriden by his desire to promote himself.

    It’s not that I don’t want the party to live up to McCain’s standards, I want the party to do a hell of a lot better.

    Dave

  • http://www.secretaryclinton.wordpress.com Stacy

    It’s almost like McCain is the old standby- the GOP feel like he embodies the best in a candidate- not sure why they think that given the last election, but who knows. I’m a Democrat but used to really respect McCain although I disagreed with him on a lot of things- watching him in the 2008 election though was painful- most moderates and independents I know were scratching their heads going “who is this guy?”

    Of course, just as with the Dems, I am not sure how one really picks a candidate that is acceptable to both the base of the party yet still has the ability to pick off moderate voters from the other team.

    Is Eric Cantor really a rising star with Presidential potential?

  • Arch Conservative

    Romney is a taller younger McCain?

    At least when you ask Romney a question about the economy he doesn’t get a look on his face like he’s been staring directly into the sun for 3 hours.

    It’s time for the GOP to throw McCain under the bus and then back the bus up over and over again.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    He’s hardly the model of honor and courage and steadfastness you think he is. He’s a waffling old fool whose better intentions are constantly overriden by his desire to promote himself.

    I didn’t say he was a model of steadfastness – I DID say he had shown honor by his actions.

    Dave, do you remember when I complimented you and Clavos for your correction of the errors in my article? I called it ‘professionalism’ – but another word for it is ‘honor’. One of the surest ways to identify honor is when someone helps his opponent or rebukes his friends – not out of mercenary desire, but out of the determination to do that which is right.

    McCain showed honor. None of the other Republican candidates did so.

  • http://backupamerica.org Betsy Ross

    I’m a 45 year Arizona resident, who lived in Arizona longer than Senator McCain, actually. And grew up there and Arizona politics is corrupt to its core. We even voted for a “clean elections” law which hasn’t helped, and I am now in polical exile in another state after 45 years due to the civil unrest that is occurring there with Sheriff Joe and Phil Gordon playing political games on the border issue.

    How you can call McCain a “moderate conservative” is beyond me, and it does appear that most in this country have no idea what a “conservative” actually is anymore. A true conservative is one who places the “intent” and the actually provisions of our Constitution, and its ‘LEGALLY RATIFIED’ amendments and measures them against the stated purpose and intent of the founders.

    And recognizes that the words “federalist” and “anti-federalist” to describe those founders was given by historians, since no political parties were to be involved in our government whatsoever or their agendas. Since their oath of office is the Constitution, and not their “corporate” parties or platforms. The founders settled their differences on those separations of authority and power at the ratification, remember.

    And Washington dedicated an entire speech, his farewell speech, and political parties and their dangers. Which has held to be true across the board and why we now have a misrepresentative government at all levels at this point.

    And you cannot have a “representative” government when those representatives have been illegally elected and were never duly elected at all. In order to be a representative government it was not written in stone because it was understood that candidates for federal and state office would not be allowed to be “sponsored” by or accept poltical monies or donations from anyone outside their legislative district.

    Which means our government now at all levels is not a duly elected one, nor “legal” in any respect under the law of the land, the U.S. Constitution.

    And the British bought the bank (the Federal Reserve) back in 1913 and have thus been dictating our foreign and domestic economic policies ever since for Britain’s gain most of all under that Balfour Doctrine that created the Nation of Israel back prior to World War I (not World War II, do the research and look up that unholy alliance between the Rothchild banking empire and Lord Balfour post World War I).

    So those that continue giving either of these parties relevance are now becoming laughable. And about 75 years behind the program in this “shadow” government we now have.

    And McCain is a global socialist, just as the Bushs before him, and Obama who work for the Rothchild’s and for their own wealth and power trips at the expense of the American people.

    Lord Rothchild even had a fundraiser for McCain during tha election cycle, he is such a British subject.

    And he who prints the money, rules the country. And the British won back this country without firing a shot doing from the inside what they weren’t able to do from without.

    Why do you think our legislation now is mirroring Canada’s and their monarchial and socialistic structure more and more?

    Britain has never ceased its quest for power and dominance over the world, and the Queen and Parliment don’t run that country either.

    The Rothchild’s do, as they do every country by six through their central banks.

    And those that aren’t in their dominion, are now “enemies” of the U.S., mostly Muslim, because the Muslim’s as the Christians have prohibitions against the payment of usury, or excessive interest (over 10%, God’s first fruits amount) on debt. Although few pastors in this country teach that anymore, except those that the baby boomer’s were schooled by since that has also progressively been taken out of U.S. divinity school educations.

    And the Catholic Church also has stopped teaching it also for their own “corporate” welfare most of all.

    So until those Muslim countries that aren’t in the central bank fold get in line, we will continue to be at war.

    Since it is war, not peace, that puts us further into servitude to those British bankers and their control over this country.

    And the Rothchild’s, after fighting for it since Napoleon’s Waterloo, are not about to give that up without a fight.

    Two presidents tried, and both died.

    And this is “fact” not “conspiracy theory,” so you might want to do the research yourself.

  • http://backupamerica.org Betsy Ross

    By the way, I am an ex-paralegal that worked for the top corporate lawyer in the country (John Tate, Wal-Mart stores – look up the book excerpt online to “In Sam We Trust” on John and Sam’s partnership to make Wal-Mart what it is), not a conspiracy theorist.

    And most of this information has been known for decades.

    And due to our now “privatized” public utility companies under the NeoCons and Democrats (Global Socialists, actually) progressively, Palo Verde in Arizona is partially owned by the British banking Rothchild’s also, and other foreign investors. Makes you feel pretty secure, huh? That foreign countries and governments now own stock in one of our nuclear power plants?

    And also the British are now buying up all the homes in New Orleans French Quarter post Katrina that are listed by Southeby’s. And how DO you think Jindal (whose parents were Indian, British subjects, immigrants rose to such high office so quickly also in that state?

    The British bankers fund these candidates careers, after all. The banks and their corporate lawyers that are also the heads of most of these PAC organizations that are formenting their agendas, such as the ACLU. Since the Rothchild’s are of the zionist Jewish faith, and value Israel as a real estate parcel most of all (highest tourism by all three faiths, after all).

    So I hope you people start waking up soon.

    We are under British rule, and have been since 1913 progressively. And the Rockefellar’s are distant relatives of the Rothchild’s, and you know how those British are about their geneology and nobility ties and roots.

    So wake the heck up.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Ok, I’m going to stick with my policy of ignoring the paranoid ranting and go back to Glenn’s halfway sensible comment.

    Dave, do you remember when I complimented you and Clavos for your correction of the errors in my article? I called it ‘professionalism’ – but another word for it is ‘honor’. One of the surest ways to identify honor is when someone helps his opponent or rebukes his friends – not out of mercenary desire, but out of the determination to do that which is right.

    McCain showed honor. None of the other Republican candidates did so.

    Ok, I’ll acknowledge that McCain is honorable, but that’s not enough to lead a party with the problems the GOP has. Might as well bring back Bob Dole. He was honorable too. Ron Paul is honorable too. Should we put him in command?

    What McCain lacks is any kind of vision or plan to make the party better than it has been or institute meaningful reform. He’s relying on the same old tactics and alliances which have created the current mess, and just like Obama spending more to get us out of debt, it’s just not going to work.

    Dave

  • Arch Conservative

    McCain/Obama…what’s the diff?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Britain’s gain most of all under that Balfour Doctrine that created the Nation of Israel back prior to World War I (not World War II, do the research and look up that unholy alliance between the Rothchild banking empire and Lord Balfour post World War I).
    ——————————————
    Since the Rothchild’s are of the zionist Jewish faith, and value Israel as a real estate parcel most of all (highest tourism by all three faiths, after all).

    Heavens to Betsy!!

    Well, at least now we know which flag-waving “American” will be leading Jews off to all those dsetention camps built in the last 35 years.

    Will it be gas this time, dear? Or are you just going to slaughter the Lambs? I’ve never seen photos of the insides of those detention camps. Do they have crucifixes set up there, too, Betsy? Gosh, it’s been a while since one of ours got nailed to one of those things….

    Love and kisses from Israel

  • Arch Conservative

    “We are under British rule, and have been since 1913 progressively. ”

    If that were true wouldn’t Monty Python and Benny Hill be much more popular here in America than they currently are?

    I’m sorry Betsy but your theory just doesn’t stand up.

  • former republican voter

    until republicans realise there are poor people that need things other than tax cuts for the rich an some of the southern leaders find out the civil war is over an so many right wing wacos quit lying to the people then you may get the party back on track

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Ruvy –

    An honest question – is ‘Zionist’ used as an insult? I hear Israelis (but not Jews in general) referred to this way, and almost never in respectful terms. I had thought it was in reference to your government or possibly to the more orthodox among you, but please let me know – because I don’t want to be inadvertently insulting anyone.

    Thanks –
    Glenn

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Arch!

    Capital idea! Monty Python takes over the judicial branch, Benny Hill should be in charge of equal opportunity for women…John Cleese for president, and the Second Amendment would include rights to vorpal bunnies and holy hand grenades!

    There’s gotta be a good movie in there somewhere….

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Ok, I’ll acknowledge that McCain is honorable, but that’s not enough to lead a party with the problems the GOP has. Might as well bring back Bob Dole. He was honorable too. Ron Paul is honorable too. Should we put him in command?

    Dave, I’m not saying that honor is the only prerequisite…but it should be A prerequisite. If you’ll check, all the great presidents had it – including Reagan (and you know my high opinion of him). Honor doesn’t mean they’ll be great presidents either – see Ford and Carter (and I’ve always thought well of Ford).

    Honor doesn’t mean they’ll make the right decisions – after all, Nixon had no honor, but he did very well with China. Having a sense of honor only ensures that the president will TRY to make decisions for the right reasons, and that base malice is unlikely to play a part in those decisions.

    In case you’re wondering, I felt that both Hillary and Obama have honor – but Bill did not. I believe Truman was honorable and Eisenhower certainly had honor in spades, and despite his faults JFK (and Bobby) had it at least to some extent. I’m not sure if LBJ did…I could argue both sides – you know how those Texans are.

    But the point is that without a proper sense of honor, a president cannot and will not be truly great.

    If you want the Republican party to return to power over the long term, two things are required: first, adjusting your message and party psychology for demographic changes (IOW zero tolerance for racism and homophobia), and second, emphasize the need for honor among your candidates. Do those two things and the Republican party will avoid marginalization.

    What McCain lacks is any kind of vision or plan to make the party better than it has been or institute meaningful reform. He’s relying on the same old tactics and alliances which have created the current mess, and just like Obama spending more to get us out of debt, it’s just not going to work.

    Other than Romney, what Republican has any idea other than tax cuts? Obama, at least, is following the pattern of successful recoveries from recessions past (and according to most economists, it’s working). The cure doesn’t always leave the patient happy – but it does keep the patient alive.

    But back to Romney, McCain, et al. The Republicans need to realize that to most of the American populace, ‘tax cuts’ are pretty nebulous and will not be seen as something tangible that will help them in the challenges of day-to-day life.

    That’s why the apparent mantra of ‘tax cuts are the cure for all that ails you’ doesn’t resonate with the populace…but ‘health care for all’ does.

  • STM

    “We are under British rule, and have been since 1913 progressively.”

    What a load of bollocks. It’s the other way round, but your dates are out.

    As a citizen of an English-speaking democracy, I can tell you very positively: We’ve been under American “influence” since 1942 (Yep, you got it, that was about the time America really, finally, replaced Britain as the English-speaking superpower on the world stage).

    That’s every kind of influence BTW. Hollywood and American TV for starters and I grew up watching shows like Leave it to Beaver, Flipper, Batman, Sgt Bilko, etc etc. Oh, let’s not forget The Brady Bunch, The Partridge Family, and later just about every US sitcom going including Seinfeld.

    Even the bigoted Archie Bunker and All In The Family (along with the British show it was based on, with the equally bigoted Alf Garnett in ‘Til Death us Do Part). Yes, and silly Benny Hill and the mad Monty Python mob. We still drink in pubs but Pizza Hut, Domino’s, McDonald’s, Burger King, etc, are on every second corner.

    These days, every second or third show on TV is American. To say that our culture is “influenced” by America would be a gross understatement. The British sometimes refer to themselves as the 51st state, but it’s popular in this neck of the woods to describe ourselves as that too.

    I don’t know your background but if you’ve ever lived outside America for any length of time in any of the other anglo countries, how can you make that kind of statement??

    The way it looks from our end is that the US is calling ALL the shots, not Britain or the remnants of its empire.

    It’s just so ridiculous.

    However, having that American cultural mix and American influence isn’t a bad thing.

    None of the rest of us out here in the anglosphere are complaining too hard beyond wishing you’d be a little less heavy handed sometimes.

    Only sometimes though.

    However, we are also aware that the US is a hot-bed of crazy thinking populated by too many folks with a wire loose between their brains and their mouths.

    Still, you can’t have everything though, can you???

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Glen,

    …is ‘Zionist’ used as an insult? I hear Israelis (but not Jews in general) referred to this way, and almost never in respectful terms…

    Ah, it’s always a pleasure to deliver my “Zionist” lecture. So, pour yourself a cup of coffee and adjust your glasses.

    The idea of Jews returning to Israel is mentioned throughout the prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible, as well as the Qur’an. But Jews never really cottoned onto the idea until the early 1800’s, when a Serbian rabbi, Alkalai, z”l, talked about Jews petitioning the Sultan to allow for a large resettlement of Jews in Israel. At the time, Serbia was part of the Ottoman Empire. In the mid 1800’s a man named Moshe Hess wrote a pamphlet advocating the idea that Jews “auto-emancipate” themselves from Jew-hatred by returning home to the Land of Israel. Neither of these men used the term “Zionism”.

    “Zionism” was the term given by English Calvinists some 300 years ago to the theme of return to Israel that one sees in the books of Prophecy in our Bible. Jews only learned about it when they assimilated enough into English society to learn about the ideas of English Calvinists. This was in the late 1800’s.

    In 1894, Capt. Alfred Dreyfus was expelled from the French army for espionage, and a Hungarian Jew covering the story for an Austrian paper was so shocked at seeing Frenchmen screaming, “Down with the Jews!” that he filed his report, took some time off and wrote a book called “Der Judenstadt” – the Jewish State. Theodore Herzl, the thoroughly assimilated Austrian Jew who knew nothing about his faith, understood clearly that Jews neeeded to flee the allegedly “civilized” European nations before the Jew-hating savages of Europe murdered off the Jewish population. Calling on his English Jewish friends, he ran into the term “Zionism” and used it for the first time in a non-religious sense.

    The World Zionist Organization set itself to bring Jews to the Land of Israel with the plain intent of creating a Jewish State here. They succeeded in 1948 when the leaders of 600,000 Jews declared a Jewish State, to be known as Israel, and fought for the right to survive.

    In other words, the State of Israel is the child of the Zionist Movement founded by Theodore Herzl.

    To fast forward to today, “Zionist” is used by Arabs (and their many many running dogs) who hate us as a code word to mean “kike”, the exact same way “jig” used to be a code word to mean “nigger” (I remember the Democratic slate in New York State one year being characterized by some as “three “j’s” and a “jig” – three Jews and a black).

    You weren’t trying to be offensive in your comments. But “Heavens to Betsy” was. I see she hasn’t been back ( – yet). [Edited]

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Ruvy –

    Thank you very much – I really do appreciate someone helping to diminish my ignorance. So as I understand it, then, ‘Zionism’ actually refers to those who feel the drive or the need to return to Israel and to make their stand there…and it does not necessarily refer to only Jews, though that is how it is now understood by much of the world.

    And I gather I am at least partially correct that it is now used as an insult by many anti-Semites.

    You and I disagree on many, many things of course, but I do appreciate the opportunity to learn about you and your people.

    The mental void of ignorance is dangerous only when one does not strive to fill (or does not even see the necessity of filling) that void with knowledge with no regard as to how that knowledge may affect one’s understanding of the world.

    Again, thanks.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    You and I disagree on many, many things of course, but I do appreciate the opportunity to learn about you and your people.

    Glenn,

    I feel similarly about you. But truth be told, I was an American, knew and still know quite a number of southerners (one fellow I know in the village has ancestors who fought in the American revolution and the others who fought for the Confederacy. When he talks about his roots in the States, or sings “My Country ‘Tis of Thee”, he means it far more than this son of an immigrant from Poland ever could).

    So the questions are far harder for me to ask. Your article on racism or things going on the the Phillipines are very informative for a guy who does not know what questions to ask….

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Ruvy –

    I’ve got ancestors who fought on the side of the Confederacy – in fact, there’s a cemetery not five miles from my home in MS where I have direct ancestors buried back from before the Civil War.

    Be that as it may, personally, I would think that your sense of patriotism for Israel is greater – not only because of the holocaust but because of all the persecution i.e. the ghettos (which started in Rome), the Inquisition, the Pale…

    …when I post as I do concerning Israel and the Jews, my words are meant for peace, that Israel may be a viable nation even centuries from now. War is sometimes necessary…but beginning in the 20th century, the aggressor lost almost every time.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Most American Jews don’t give a damn about Israel. It’s sickening to realize that most of my own relatives might care about me, but would prefer that I not live in such a “problematic” place….

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    If you want the Republican party to return to power over the long term, two things are required: first, adjusting your message and party psychology for demographic changes (IOW zero tolerance for racism and homophobia), and second, emphasize the need for honor among your candidates. Do those two things and the Republican party will avoid marginalization.

    So you basically agree with all the things I’ve been promoting for years. Okay then.

    Other than Romney, what Republican has any idea other than tax cuts?

    This is a classic example of how little attention you pay to anything but your preconceptions of what Republicans believe and are doing. Just look at the healthcare debate. Republicans came up with dozens of alternative suggestions, yet you’re unaware of any of them. I even wrote several articles outlining them and yet you’re oblivious.

    Obama, at least, is following the pattern of successful recoveries from recessions past (and according to most economists, it’s working). The cure doesn’t always leave the patient happy – but it does keep the patient alive.

    Alive and further indebted and with more of our rights taken away. At what point do we just give up and become slaves for the state?

    But back to Romney, McCain, et al. The Republicans need to realize that to most of the American populace, ‘tax cuts’ are pretty nebulous and will not be seen as something tangible that will help them in the challenges of day-to-day life.

    Everyone pays taxes and wishes they didn’t. This is why cutting taxes has always been such a good selling point. But if you listen to Republicans now they aren’t talking about tax cuts, they’re talking about scaling back government and debt and getting out of control government under control. We’ll see how well that message sells in 2010.

    That’s why the apparent mantra of ‘tax cuts are the cure for all that ails you’ doesn’t resonate with the populace…but ‘health care for all’ does.

    And what’s so honorable about offering the public a bribe which will end up taking away their rights and independence. I find it reprehensible.

    Dave

  • Arch Conservative

    “Obama, at least, is following the pattern of successful recoveries from recessions past (and according to most economists, it’s working). The cure doesn’t always leave the patient happy – but it does keep the patient alive.”

    He is? Gee I thought he was spending more money (adjusted for inflation) than any other president in history, continuing to kill the value of the dollar and attempting to have the federal government take over as much industry as possible.

    That’s what you get when you put a community organizer in charge of your money.

    Mitt Romney should have been the GOP. He could run circles around Barry or any of the other dolts in either party when it comes to stimulating the economy.

  • Zedd

    Dave,

    You guys just don’t get it. Your party is dying. Not only is it heading towards demise, it is taking the entire nation with it. You’ve strategized yourselves into oblivion. Your generation doesn’t remember a relevant doctrine. When the “conservative revolution” was created, you seemed to miss that it was just a political tool, designed to get more votes. You totally missed the fact that the “issues” were none issues. They were designed to get your attention and to force you to feel compelled. But it was nothingness. You were had. As a result your party is stuck on stupid. The politicians that came up after the infection spread or the “revolution”, really bought into the nothingness. They took those propaganda slogans to be what the party was about. Same as what happens in these Banana Republics.

    Having come to age in the Reagan era, when fluff became king, you don’t know another way to be. Mccain as been reasonable. He has used logic, practicality and creativity to address the issues of the nation – all of the tools of an intelligent person. For that he has received a lukewarm response and is some cases pure hatred from those of you who think theater, marked by a regular strong dose of a public tantrum, defines good leadership. Your party has become the party of fools. People with no insight, no vision, no real talent, no smarts that count, no exposure that is of use, who are crammed full of recitations that seem to spill out indiscriminately, regardless of their relevancy to the matter at hand, even at the most sensitive times, without consideration as to their long range impact on the nation or the world.

    Your addiction to stale platitudes that have no relevancy to today is sickening. You are fighting wars that don’t exist and its no longer funny to watch because you are taking everyone down with you.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Zedd,

    I’m not arguing with anything you have to say here, even though I started my own political involvement supporting a Republican for mayor of NYC – the late John Vliet Lindsay. I very early early learned the meaning of the term “buyer’s remorse”.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    I see the intellectual left decided to chime in.

    C’mon, Dave – ‘jay’ no more represents the left than ‘Arch-Conservative’ represents the right.

    But if you listen to Republicans now they aren’t talking about tax cuts, they’re talking about scaling back government and debt and getting out of control government under control. We’ll see how well that message sells in 2010.

    ‘Scaling back government and debt’? ‘Getting out-of-control government back under control’? How’d that work out over the Reagan/Bush 43 years? There’s a REASON why Cheney said, “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter”.

    But you know this already – you effectively pointed it out already in your other article…excellent article, too.

    When it comes to ideas offered up by Republicans, really, Dave – McCain didn’t offer ‘tax cuts’ to improve health care. He offered ‘tax credits’. Big whoop. The Republicans’ idea to help the economy last year (after the suddenly-out-of-favor Bush administration came up with TARP and Obama backed it) was “Let ’em go bankrupt!” – and more tax cuts. I don’t recall many economists of note agreeing with the Republicans’ opinions. I also don’t recall many Republicans decrying deregulation and the lack of enforcement of still-extant regulations.

    Dave, you must admit I pay more attention politically than Joe Everyman on the street, just as I must admit that you pay more attention than I do. That said, if a wannabe cognoscenti such as myself sees not much else other than “tax cuts”, “they’re weak on defense”, “let the banks fail”, and a whole plethora of obviously false accusations that are believed or at least supported by a significant portion of the Republican party

    …the ‘new ideas’ to which you refer get drowned out by the noise.

  • Arch Conservative

    It seems as if you’re the one that doesn’t get it if you think the GOP is dying Zedd.

    The last time I checked, (this morning) the GOP was poised to win two gubenetorial elections (NJ and VA) next month.

    Not bad for a party in demise.

    Then there is the fact that every major opinion poll has generic repub ahead of generic dem in the midterm elections, most political pundits agree the GOp will have gains next year, and even with both houses and the White House the Dems still haven’t been able to foist their radical leftist agenda on the American people.

    So keep running your mouth about the poor state of the GOP and they will quietly return to power over the next 4 years.

    [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]

    Enjoy the bliss!

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    The NJ winner traditionally finds a set of striped pjs folded neatly at the bottom of his bed on his first night at Drumthwacket.

    Hmmm, could be an orange jumpsuit, these days.

  • Zedd

    Arch,

    What does your party stand for?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    “Every loyal Republican in Congress is charged with only one important and sacred duty; to make absolutely sure that this president accomplishes little or nothing during this term.”

  • Arch Conservative

    My party used to stand for limited government, self sufficeincy, personal freedom, a strong smart national defense policy.

    The GOP has lost it’s way. It’s been corrupted by power and money. I’ll be the first to admit that Bush was the worst thing to happen to the GOP in the last 30 years and I did not vote for McCain last year…I voted for Baldwin.

    That being said the GOP is still ight years better then the perverse degenerates that compromise the people’s party of America.

    Nancy Pelosi, that hag that is 50% botox and 50% the materials that comprise normal human beings is still in power in DC and Ronald Reagan is still dead. There’s something defintely wrong with the universe these days. It’s way off kilter.

    Obama IS a socilaist and he’s bad news for the survival of traditional American values. He’s a liar who values his leftist sociliast utopian visions more than the desires of the American people. Over the next four years I will celebrate any and all efforts that undermine ridicule, demean, and generally hamper this man and his agenda.

    It’s a shame that such a piece of garbage is allowed to inhabit the white house.

  • zingzing

    archie: “It’s time for the GOP to throw McCain under the bus and then back the bus up over and over again.”

    wouldn’t the bus just move further and further away?

    “My party used to stand for limited government, self sufficeincy, personal freedom, a strong smart national defense policy.”

    self-sufficient people can spell self-sufficiency. where are you when we need you, clavos?

    “There’s something defintely wrong with the universe these days. It’s way off kilter.”

    not really. the universe just is. doesn’t care about you.

    “Obama IS a socilaist and he’s bad news for the survival of traditional American values.”

    no he isn’t.

    “Over the next four years I will celebrate any and all efforts that undermine ridicule, demean, and generally hamper this man and his agenda.”

    ahh, a good republican. what’s bad for obama is good for america. you really hope that our health care system fails and our economy completely tanks? how good of you.

    “And people on this site say I’m the one with nothing worthwhile to say?”

    you are a step above. one step. congratulations. we’ll probably never see jay again, but you… you stick around like herpes. or is it syphilis? whichever one doesn’t kill you but is really, really annoying.

    “The GOP has lost it’s way. It’s been corrupted by power and money.”

    its. clavos? and its been “corrupted by power and money” for a long time now. that’s politics.

  • zingzing

    dave: “Alive and further indebted and with more of our rights taken away.”

    what rights have been taken away?

    “At what point do we just give up and become slaves for the state?”

    i have no idea. but we both know that won’t happen. you’re a hoot.

  • Clavos

    We already ARE slaves of the state. Try not paying your taxes sometime.

  • Betsy Ross

    Ruvy,

    I wasn’t notified that you had answered my comments, but your following statement says it all:

    You weren’t trying to be offensive in your comments. But “Heavens to Betsy” was. I see she hasn’t been back ( – yet).[Edited]

    You are, clearly, an Ashkenaz zionist – and the Ashenazi’s are not Israelites nor are they at all related to the Israelites of the Bible, but Russian converts who converted to Judaism under a decree as the Roman Catholics did under royal decree, and are “converts” from their inception with no relation to the origin Israelites of the Bible upon which the prophecy was given.

    And as a Christian and believer that Jesus was the Messiah, he warned that the covenant would be broken if the Israelites did not put aside their 600 other laws which were given only until the Jews reached their homeland, in order to fulfill the covenant. They got their homeland and God’s fulfilled promise and then threw it away.

    And the Balfour doctrine has nothing to do with the U.S., but was an agreement reached between a British Lord and Zionist banker, whose picture is now on the Israeli currency.

    And there is much of World War II and its inception and just what did actually occur that has also been “rewritten” in order to secure Israel (the most frequented tourist attraction and thus a prime piece of real estate for all three major extremist branches of those three religions).

    And there are many Jews in Israel who are not Zionists at all, and much dissention there over scriptural interpretations.

    And your insults in stating facts just goes to show just who is a “terrorist” in this exchange.

  • Betsy Ross

    And just how out of touch those Americans who are on here, believing those that want to make the desecration of our Constitution by both political parties whose politics have no place in our government or law to begin with.

    And the “facts” I stated in my original post can be verified quite readily, since there is a bucketload of historical text that clarifies just what is truly going on here, in this war and the overall agendas of the British banking houses to corner the entire world’s economy, putting the Zionists in charge.

  • Betsy Ross

    Sorry, Ruvy…. [Edited] his spins on the history of Judaism simply incredible.

    Since I lived in a primarily Jewish neighborhood also growing up, and even attended Hebrew school with my friends.

    Amazing, still using the “anti-semitic” and World War II history in order to silence those that are now challenging somewhat history in that respect.

    And there have been far more Christians killed for their faith that Jews throughout history.

    And that is a fact.

    And appears Ruvy apparently feels one more that dares speak out and counter his representations is threat material, using “terrorism” as the weapon once again.