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I’ve Become Musically Obsolete at 51?

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A few days ago I saw an episode of The Cosby Show where Stevie Wonder’s limo hits Denise’s car. Clair declared that her kids would never forget meeting him for the rest of their lives. It occurred to me that, while that was true, they might have to explain who Wonder was in about 10 years.

It’s a generational thing. My parents loved Merle Haggard, Patsy Cline, and Jimmy Dean, probably to upset their parents who were into Les Brown and His Band Renown, Dean Martin and the Andrews Sisters. Therefore I had to love Three Dog Night, The Beach Boys, and then Aerosmith, Led Zepplin, Genesis, and Pink Floyd just to spite them. Not to be outdone the next generation went berserk for Donna S’s, and KC and The Sunshine Band’s disco gang because they knew my generation hated it, and their kids are now appalling their parents by being in love with rap and hip hop.

I still have to tell people that Richard Harris did not steal “MacArthur Park” from Donna Disco Queen. About 10 years ago I remember explaining to a kid that Paul McCartney was more famous as a Beatle than as member of Wings, and had to explain that Paul didn’t rip off “Live and Let Die” from Axl Rose, and he wouldn’t believe me till I showed him a video tape of the movie.

It’s not fair that I should know what a “33 1/3” is, or be embarrassed for knowing all the words to the Mamas and the Papas “California Dreamin’,” or have Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon memorized. You know you’re musically obsolete when you find yourself singing along with The Moody Blue’s “Nights in White Satin” playing on the overhead speakers at the grocery store.

It didn’t dawn on me until a friend my age said he doesn’t listen to country music anymore on the radio because it’s changed so much. That threw me – it still sounds the same to me: some guy falls in love, his wife leaves him for another man, he’s all alone with his huntin’ dawgs, and his pickup breaks down.

I used to be so proud cruising around with my top down and the stereo up, blasting “The luuuuuunatics are on the grahhhs…” Now I get looks like I’ve lost my mind for playing such garbage in public.

The only thing that gives me comfort is that sometime around 2025 today’s kids will be totally embarrassed as adults to play what’s current now for their kids, and get just as self-conscious as I do when I’m stopped at an intersection singing out loud “Day-lie day-lie my boyfriend’s back!”

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About Jet Gardner

I like collecting books, music, movies, chess sets and friends
    Somewhere in the universe

    Between this night and God

    An angel sat upon a star

    While thinking very hard

    To return once more to the earth
    He had been assigned
    And a single gift for all of man
    He was to leave behind

    But this gift that he was to leave
    Could not be taken from the heavenly court
    And how could he leave something behind
    If nothing could be brought

    Now this was quite a puzzle
    And he knew not how to start
    When he suddenly felt a prayer from a child
    Reach deep into his heart

    And though his time was limited
    To this one night of the year
    He could not ignore this child’s request
    So he decided he would start here

    For though this night was Christmas Eve
    And dreams were all about
    Somewhere down below on earth
    He had felt this child begin to doubt

    A child who should have been asleep
    Instead was climbing attic stairs
    With her solitary candle
    And a single Christmas prayer

    Now, when angels they are called
    They rarely just appear
    But more often than not
    They gently whisper in one’s ear

    And when they whisper to a child
    On nights when snow still glistens
    The chances are much stronger still
    That, that child, will listen

    So in this room where shadows live
    And ghosts that failed learn time forgives
    Welcome friends, please stay awhile
    Our story starts with one small child
    Who spends this night in an attic dark
    Where dreams are stored like sleeping hearts

    Now, if you wonder why this child is here
    With all asleep and Christmas near
    She’s come up here to look for truth
    In this place closest to the roof

    For she had heard from friends who feel
    That nothing on this night is real
    That no adults truly believe
    In all these things of Christmas Eve

    This night that seems to cast a spell
    Is the same world, just tinseled well
    And as she lay in bed that night
    She wondered if they might be right

    And she wondered then who she might ask
    About this question that had been cast
    For adults, she had been told, you see
    Are part of this conspiracy

    But in her mind becoming clear
    The shadow of a child’s idea

    There was one whose presence alone
    Would reconfirm what she had known

    But this man, he was so rarely seen
    For he only arrived when children dreamed
    But if what she had believed was right
    He should appear this very night
    So on this night with so much at stake
    She’s determined that she would stay awake

    But then a problem came to mind
    It seems that fate had not been kind
    For their chimney had been closed that year
    Some bricks might fall, her father feared

    So she had devised another plan
    To hear when on the roof he lands
    So with the ghosts left here by fate
    Upon this night she sits and waits

    Now as I’m sure you all must know
    When one is waiting, time moves slow
    And as she wondered what to do
    (her options seeming far too few)

    The Angel caused that child to look
    Behind a yellowed pile of books
    Among these memories disguised as junk
    She noticed there a well worn trunk

    It was filled with toys and one old wreath
    And several letters underneath
    Some ornaments, a hand rung phone
    And records with a gramophone

    A mix of long forgotten words
    With melodies no longer heard
    All threads of long forgotten lives
    But here somehow they had survived

    These letters that had caught her eye
    Now in her hands they seemed alive
    And as each letter she unsealed
    A small piece of the past was revealed

    For Christmas weaves a life long spell
    And most of all remembers well
    And as that child explored the past
    Once again that spell was cast

    And as the child began to read
    Upon this night of Christmas Eve
    The Angel’s plan, as you can tell
    It was already working well
    So as the ghosts gently arise
    In our first song we’ll summarize
















    An angel came down
    One night to the earth
    A mission from God
    To find out the worth

    Of everything that
    His children had done
    Since that winter night
    The birth of His son

    And then a sound filled the night
    In the cold winter air
    And in the midst of his flight
    It was holding him there

    And as he looked toward the earth
    For the source of this sound
    On that cold winter night
    It was pulling him down

    To bring something back
    This angel was told
    That no one could touch
    But angels could hold

    So on that night
    When the sky had cleared
    Among all the stars
    An angel appeared

    And then a sound filled the night
    In the cold winter air
    And in the midst of his flight
    It was holding him there

    And as he looked towards the earth
    For the source of this sound
    On that cold winter night
    It was pulling him down

    from Trans Syberian Orchestra

  • If you look at your reflection
    in the bottom of a well,
    What you see is only on the surface.

    When you try to see the meaning,
    hidden underneath,
    The measure of the depth can be deceiving.

    The bottom has a rocky reputation

    You can feel it in the distance
    the deeper down you stare.
    From up above it’s hard to see
    but you knowwhen you’re there.

    On the bottom words are shallow.
    On the surface talk is cheap.
    You can only judge the distance
    by the company you keep

    Joe Walsh
    the Confessor

    I’m glad I’m in good company…

  • “Ern”358: I hated disco, but now I listen to it occasionally because it’s music, not some white guy trying to sound ghetto black talkin’ bout how he’s the biggest cock on the walk and he’s doing a poetry reading instead of singing.

    Ever try to whistle a rap tune?

  • ern Halen

    My problem is that I HATED Fleetwood MAc, Pink Floyd, Queen, etc. in the 70’s, and now I think they’re great! Isn’t there some kind of inverse musical regression syndrome?

  • Of course then I look silly when the original 356 gets removed!

  • Well isn’t that cute? #356 is my very own spam comment! I’m so proud…

  • ArchBingBat asked if the only thing I write about has to do with sexual orientation, Hmmmmmmmm?

  • Why thank you Indifferent. These are the ACTUAL lyrics! If we’re going to lionize Nilsson let’s not use half measures-let’s go for the gold!

    You’re Breakin’ My Heart
    Harry Nilsson

    You’re breakin’ my heart
    You’re tearing it apart so fuck you

    All I want to do is have a good time now I’m blue
    You won’t boogaloo,
    Run down to Tramps, have a dance or two, ooohhh
    You’re breakin’ my heart,
    You’re tearing it apart but fuck you

    You’re breakin’ my heart
    You’re tearing it apart, boo-hoo

    You’re breakin’ my heart
    You’re tearing it apart so fuck you

    All I want to do is have a good time now I’m blue
    You won’t boogaloo,
    Run down to Tramps, have a dance or two, ooohhh
    You’re breakin’ my heart,
    You’re tearing it apart but fuck you

    You’re breakin’ my heart
    You’re tearing it apart, boo-hoo

  • ^^indifference^^

    Hell I became obsolete about ’74 or ’75. 16,17 years old. FUCK AEROSMITH AND VAN HALEN. GOD SAVE THE KINKS!

    Turn On Your Radio by Harry Nilsson

    I don’t know where I’m goin’
    Now that I am gone
    I hope the wind that’s blowin’
    Helps me carry on
    Turn on your radio, baby
    Listen to my song
    Turn on your night light baby
    Baby I’m gone
    I don’t know how it happened
    Now that I am gone
    I hope I never hear it baby
    Just in case I’m wrong
    Turn on your record player
    Listen to my song
    Turn on your night light baby
    Baby I’m gone
    I don’t know where life’s goin’
    But soon it will be gone
    I hope the wind that’s blowin’
    Helps me carry on
    Turn on your radio baby
    Baby, listen to my song
    And turn on your night light baby
    Baby I’m gone

  • coconut by Harry Neilson…
    Bruder bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime,
    His sister had anudder one she paid it for de lime.

    She put de lime in de coconut, she drank ’em bot’ up
    She put de lime in de coconut, she drank ’em bot’ up.
    She put de lime in de coconut, she drank ’em bot’ up
    She put de lime in de coconut, she call de doctor, woke ‘im up,

    Said “doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take?”
    I said “Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,”
    I said “Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take?”
    I said “Doctor, to relieve this belly ache.”
    Now lemme get this straight,

    You put de lime in de coconut, you drank ’em bot’ up,
    You put de lime in de coconut, you drank ’em bot’ up,
    You put de lime in de coconut, you drank ’em bot’up,
    You put de lime in de coconut, you call your doctor, woke ‘im up,

    Said ” Doctor, ain’t there nothing’ I can take?”
    I said, “Doctor, to relieve this belly ache.”
    I said “Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take?’
    I said, “Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,”

    You put de lime in de coconut, you drink ’em bot’ togedder
    Put de lime in de coconut and you’ll feel better,
    Put de lime in de coconut, drink ’em bot’ up,
    Put de lime in de coconut and call me in the morning.”


    Brudder bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime,
    His sister had anudder one she paid it for a lime.
    She put de lime in de coconut, she drank ’em bot’ up
    She put de lime in de coconut and called de doctor, woke ‘im up.

    And said, “Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take?’
    I said, “Doctor, to relieve this belly ache.”
    I said “Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take?”
    I said, “Doctor, now lemme get this straight,

    You put the lime in the coconut, you drink ’em bot’up,
    Put the lime in the coconut, you drink ’em bot’ up,
    Put the lime in the coconut, you drink ’em bot’ up,
    Put the lime in the coconut. You’re such a silly woman.

    Put a lime in the coconut and drink ’em bot’ together
    Put the lime in the coconut, then you’ll feel better.
    Put the lime in the coconut, drink ’em both down,
    Put the lime in your coconut, and call me in the morning,

    Woo–ain’t there nothin’ you can take?
    I say, woo–to relieve your belly ache,
    You say, well woo–ain’t there nothin’ I can take?
    I say woo–woo, to relieve your belly ache,
    You say yow–ain’t there nothin’ I can take,

    I say wow–to relieve this belly ache,
    I said “Doctor, ain’t there nothing I can take,”
    I said, “Doctor, ain’t there nothing I can take,”
    I said, “Doctor, ain’t there nothing I can take,”
    I said, “Doctor you’re such a silly woman.

    Put the lime in the coconut and drink ’em both together,
    Put the lime in the coconut, and you’ll feel better,
    Put the lime in the coconut and drink ’em bot’ up,
    Put the lime in the coconut and call me in the morning.

    Yes, you call me in the morning, You call me in the morning,
    I’ll tell you what to do if you call me in the morning.
    I’ll tell you what to do if you call me in the morning.
    I’ll tell you what to do if you call me in the morning.
    I’ll tell you what to do and if you call me in the morning
    I’ll tell you what to do.

  • On Memorial Day this bears repeating…

    The grave that they dug him had flowers
    Gathered from the hillsides in bright summer colours
    And the brown earth bleached white at the edge of his gravestone
    He’s gone

    But eternity knows him
    And it knows what we’ve done…

    When the wars of our nation did beckon
    A man barely twenty did answer the calling
    Proud of the trust that he placed in our nation
    He’s gone

    But eternity knows him
    And it knows what we’ve done

    And the rain fell like pearls on the leaves of the flowers
    Leaving brown muddy clay where the earth had been dry
    And deep in the trench he waited for hours
    As he held to his rifle and prayed not to die

    But the silence of night was shattered by fire
    As guns and grenades blasted sharp through the air
    One after another his comrades were slaughtered
    In a morgue of marines, alone standing there

    He crouched ever lower, ever lower with fear
    They can’t let me die, they can’t let me die here
    I’ll cover myself with the mud and the earth
    I’ll cover myself, I know I’m not brave!
    The earth, the earth, the earth is my grave

    The grave that they dug him had flowers
    Gathered from the hillsides in bright summer colours
    And the brown earth bleached white at the edge of his gravestone
    He’s gone

    © Copyright 1971, 1972 by MUSIC CORPORATION OF AMERICA, INC. and THE BENNY BIRD CO, INC.

  • As sung by Carol Burnett

    I’m so glad we had this time together,
    Just to have a laugh, or sing a song.
    Seems we just got started and before you know it
    Comes the time we have to say, ‘So long.’

    There’s a time you put aside for dreamin’,
    And a time for things you have to do.
    The time I love the best is in the evening –
    I can spend a moment here with you.

    When the time comes that I’m feelin lonely,
    And I’m feelin’ ohooooo – so blue,
    I just sit back and think of you, only,
    And the Happiness still comes through.

    That’s why I’m glad we had this time together,
    ‘Cause it makes me feel like I belong.
    Seems we just got started and before you know it
    Comes the time we have to say, ‘So long.’

  • Niters Chantal. My beer’s almost drained. Jet, thanx for the comments.

    I left one over on your NASA thing too. You guys both have a good night then. See you back here on BC probably Wednesday night. Wish me luck at the tables…


  • chantal stone

    ok gents…bottle’s empty….time for bed. Have a great night…and Glen, have a safe trip!

    Jet, g’night and be well.

    ’til morrow…

  • uh huh

  • Sorry, but you guys left an opening for that last comment and I couldn’t resist. LOL…

  • I love threesomes. Problem is a prefer to be the “manwich” between two ladies in those situations (no offense Jet…LOL)


  • chantal stone


  • Just left a comment on your article Jet. Thanks for leaving yours too (on my Alice review).


  • chantal how did I see that remark coming from a mile away? lol

  • chantal stone

    well…the gay guy/married chick thing isnt exactly uncommon….but we’ll glady add you, glen, and make it a happy threesome. 😉

  • uh huh

  • It’s still so damn cute though ya know?

  • Well yeah, Jet’s gay and you’re married so I guess it wouldn’t exactly work. LOL…

  • I’m probably gonna trail off to bed in a few…but I just thought I’d pop in and say “wassup” to you guys.

    I’ll be sure and leave a comment on Jet’s NASA thing before I do though. Actually, I’m nursing about half a beer right now and that’ll probably keep me here for about 15 more mins.

    chantal and her wine. Glen and his beer. LOL…

  • chantal stone

    He may be smitten, but I think we’re all confident here that I’m not really his type.

    *smooch* Jet

  • Will I did 327… now you do me!!! pant pant

  • chantal stone

    no worries Glen

  • Jet if I didn’t know better I’d say you we’re somewhat smitten with our sweet Chantal. “Spill The Wine”…very romantic Jet….LOL…

  • Its a vacation Chantal.

    Sorry I stepped away from this thread for a sec…I had to go address this guy Rubberneck who’s been kinda trolling all my Neil Young articles here on BC.

    He’s basically this conservative guy who’s all bent outta shape over Neil’s “Impeach The President” song. But I think I had a breakthrough with him tonight and have got him to start talking in a more civil tone.

    Actually he’s a fairly likeable dude…when he isn’t screaming his head off in CAPS anyway. LOL….

  • aww Jet thanks…. *batting eyelashes*

    great song!

  • Just for you Chantal…

    War-Spill the wine

    I was once I was strolling one very hot summer’s day
    When I thought laid myself down to rest
    In a big field of tall grass
    I laid there in the sun and felt it carressing my face
    As i fell asleep and dreamed
    I dreamed i was in a hollywood movie
    And that i was the star of the movie
    This really blew my mind
    The fact that me an overfed long haired leaping nome
    Should be the star of a hollywood movie, hmmm
    But there i was
    I was taken to a place
    The hall of the mountain kings
    I stood high by the mountain tops
    Naked to the world
    In front of
    Every kind of girl
    There was long one’s tall ones, short ones, brown ones,
    Black ones, round ones, big ones, crazy ones
    Out of the middle, came a lady
    She whispered in my ear
    Something crazy
    She said,

    Chorus x4
    Spill the wine and take that pearl

    I could feel hot flames of fire roaring at my back
    As she disappeared, but soon she returned
    In her hand was a bottle of wine
    In the other a glass
    She poured some of the wine from the bottle into the glass
    And raised it to her lips
    And just before she drank it, she said

    take the wine take that pearl
    spill the wine, take that pearl
    spill the wine, take that pearl
    spill the wine, take that pearl
    take that pearl, yeah!
    It’s on girl, all you gotta do is spill that wine
    spill that wine, let me feel, let me feel hot, yeah! yeah!
    spill the wine, spill the wine, spill the wine, spill the wine,
    spill the wine, spill the wine, spill the wine,
    take that pearl

  • Reno?!? awww well, we’ll miss you Glen…have a good trip. Is this business or pleasure??!!

  • It only had three commenters today. I was a little disapointed in that. All three we’re hardcore Cooper fans though.

  • If you guys could leave a comment over on my Alice Cooper DVD review I’d be much obliged.

  • I’m not leaving YET 🙂

  • I’m good Chantal. Leaving to go to Reno for a few days tommorrow and I’m not taking my laptop with me so you guys probably wont hear too much from me till later this week.

    I will comment on Jet’s NASA story before I go to bed tonight though.

  • Oh fine, tease us with your presence just long enough to say you’re leaving again, and to bed yet, and with a bottle of wine yet. YOU LITTLE TEASE.

    Now I’ve got another song buzzing in my head that I’ll have to look the lyrics up for.


  • Jet….I’d love to comment on NASA and India and all that stuff, but its 2:30 in the morning now (as you know) and this bottle of wine I;m drinking says NO.

    Hey Glen….I’m fine, how are you??

  • Was that the one about Bush and NASA Jet? Yeah I’ll definitely drop a comment there for ya. I put one up today about Alice Cooper (DVD Review) if ya wanna return the favor…

  • For the record Jet, what I know of you so far I find to absolutely likeable. Same with Chantal. You are both very nice and intelligent people. Just wanted to make sure you know that.

  • Glen and Chantal I just got a new article published on NASA being outsourced to India, if you could give your views over there I’d love it.

  • lol….uhh no, Jet, I DON’T remember that. However, despite my age, which is a tad less then your fabulous 51 years, I do have quite a musical repertoire, which can date back to the early ’60s and ’70s. In fact, I even have some original albums from the ’50s. (My dad left me his old jazz collection.) I’m just glad I still have a working turntable. 😉

  • Yeah pretty odd Jet. Go figure I guess. I exchanged a few comments with him earlier today and the guy seemed pleasant enough. Then I see he’s trying to stir something up with you over some stupid, innocent comment I made.

    Not cool in my book.

  • was NOT even here to defend myself meant to say above

  • Glen notice how he keep promising it’ll be his last comment, and then comes back several minutes/seconds later with something else that has nothing to do with the string?

  • Okay I think I get it. Damn though if I’m not mistaken, it looked like he was trying to stir up some trouble over a completely innocent comment I made. And I was even here to defend myself…pretty weird.

  • So how is everyone tonight?

  • He’s not to be figured out Glen, only endured until he gets bored and moves on to someone else.

  • The one about having a “social life”…LOL

  • Comment #301.

    I was trying to be humorous in that comment I think Mark is refering to, I was making fun of myself as much as anybody else actually.


  • Chantal, remember when you could have Stevie Wonder, Earthwind&Fire, Led Zepplin and the Love Theme from Romeo & Juliet on the same top ten chart and played on the same radiostation?

  • I saw my name in Mark’s comment above and was trying to figure out what he was talking about. I had fun talking with Mark briefly earlier today through these comments.

    I hope that I didn’t piss him off or something.

  • I admit that I do like a lot of music that’s current now…but I’ll take some old Stevie Wonder or Earth Wind and Fire over anything that’s played on the radio nowadays.

    That was poetry that would have made Shakespeare proud.

  • To answer your question Chantal we were discussing how much I miss the music of the 60s 70s and the 80s and some good people were giving me suggestions of some of today’s music that I might like, but someone needed to be paid attention to exclusively first.


  • Pathetic isn’t he?

  • so when we are doing nothing at all–how can we have a concept and what the heck has any conversation to be about anyting–if there is nothing?!?!?!

  • Oh sorry–Chantal. I sort of followed your advice that is:
    “I think I have mastered the Art if doing nothing. And yes, it is an art form. Not everyone can successfully lose themselves for an entire day, and actually enjoy it. I can.
    Hours can go by, and I’ll have no concept of the time past, and have absolutely nothing to show for what I have been doing, yet I will feel completely satisfied with my accomplishment–or rather un-accomplishment.”

  • Oh lord–that is a good question! I only asked him what he thought of a speciffic song and I was very unfriendly brushed off. Too bad.

  • what the heck is this conversation about anymore?!?!?

  • This shall be my last comment, Jet–but I happened to read one that sounded all to familiar and that one was going towards you a few days ago.
    This is regarding your so super friendly comment #286 you just threw at me and made me so super sad.
    But who cares. Right? And what other people (3/4 of this site)? are you talking about?
    Just because you hate me with all your guts does not mean that everyone does.
    Here is yours:
    Glen Boyd
    May 20, 2006
    12:47 AMB5 Dorks? Say what? Not sure I understood that one Jet.

    By the way, we sure know we are in dire need of a social life when we start exchanging all kinds of messages on a computer on a Saturday night don’t we?

  • Marilyn Monroe used to say: “Cheers no tears!”

  • Dinner is getting cold! Happy Margarita time and Cheers.

  • Now everytime I hear it, I’ll think of you, and some cheap dress collection, god help me.

  • OMG–you are right, I missed that one. Besides so many years in school of course.

  • Happy belated birthday and congrats on your Elton John collection. What else…mmmhhhh maybe I did not want to fight? So of course you hate Candle in the wind? I mean after all the “nice” things you commented about MM–how could you listen to that song?

  • You’ve obviously missed comment 182 where I listed no less that four eltons

    Tiny Dancer-Elton John
    Rocket Man-Elton John
    The Ballad of Danny Bailey-Elton John
    Goodbye Norma Jean-Elton John

    and not you obsessed norma jean is in that list.

  • MCH

    Re #s 226 and 276;

    Wow, so Elvis co-wrote two songs, then I stand corrected…Cool…Learn something new everyday.

  • meaning that you assume that I am familiar with Oscar Wilde and you mean that you are Dorian Grey?
    Jesus–you ARE smart. I give up I feel defeted already. lol

    Don’t let other’s put you down cause that social life comment was just fired at you on another blog–shall I find it?! But as long we change art (or comments) we make it more interesting, right?!

  • Where the hell did I say I hated Elton??? I have every album he ever recorded on vinal and CD before 1990 and every CD afterward.

  • To your generous comment 286~free country after all? And that old black magic and zing-thing wasn’t really that nice.

  • By the way I just turned 51 on May 2nd and there’s a painting of me somewhere that’s really going to hell, if you understand that reference, which I doubt.

  • You are just a hell of one friendly dude–a true beacon of love and happiness. Wonderful.

  • But Elton girl is the Queen of England–that does not give him points in your opinion? You love Brokeback and you hate Elton? What is happening to this world….lol

  • Wow! 11:51 to 11:57 six whole minutes.

    I bet everyone else is jealous of me!

  • You asked “Do you think that song is trashy?” but didn’t specify which one, so I assumed it was the last one I quoted which would’ve been Kentucky Rain.

    Let’s see how long your “Never happen again” promise lasts.

    I’ll betcha 3/4 of the folks on this site could get the same promise!

    Must be lonely being irrational Mary-lyin’


  • One last question buddy–you are a Taurus and so is my annoying and valium addicted mother. Could it be that you just had a birthday and that your headline maybe should read “I’ve Become Musically Obsolete at 52?”
    Just wondering since we are in Taurus right now? I mean you look so young, it does not really matter anyhow.

  • Oh you are a great critic, blogcritic that means of course. What an awesome comment and so classy. I knew you’d know the right thing to say. Forgive me for bothering and stepping into your terrain. It will never happen again. Should have known that you are angry and you want to stay that way.
    Greetings to your blood pressure.

  • Kentucky Rain Trashy?

  • How about this one, Jet? Do you think that song is trashy? Just wondering…
    I am serious. I never understood why he changed the lyrics after Princess Diana died.

    Candle In The Wind

    Music by Elton John
    Lyrics by Bernie Taupin
    Available on the album Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

    Goodbye Norma Jean
    Though I never knew you at all
    You had the grace to hold yourself
    While those around you crawled
    They crawled out of the woodwork
    And they whispered into your brain
    They set you on the treadmill
    And they made you change your name

    And it seems to me you lived your life
    Like a candle in the wind
    Never knowing who to cling to
    When the rain set in
    And I would have liked to have known you
    But I was just a kid
    Your candle burned out long before
    Your legend ever did

    Loneliness was tough
    The toughest role you ever played
    Hollywood created a superstar
    And pain was the price you paid
    Even when you died
    Oh the press still hounded you
    All the papers had to say
    Was that Marilyn was found in the nude

    Goodbye Norma Jean
    From the young man in the 22nd row
    Who sees you as something as more than sexual
    More than just our Marilyn Monroe

  • You know you’re getting old when you can’t understand all this fuss concerning b5 and a silly disney high school musical.

  • Dear 279-Sister “Grouchy little old laey” Ray.

    I was waiting for a friend in a parking lot with the top down and the stereo up, and had “Take a walk on the Wild Side” by Lou Reed playing. A teenaged kid walked up to the car and said with a smile”Hey, nice car-that’s Marky Mark!” to which I said No that’s Lou Reed. You can imagine the rest of the conversation.

    I didn’t convince him.

  • Jet: “some kid thinks Lou Reed ripped off Marky Mark?”

    Hmphf. Would that kids today had heard of Lou Reed enough to care whether he ripped anybody off.

    /grouchy little old lady voice.

  • Speaking of Elvis and inept rappers, could you see one of them trying to sound sincere while rapping to this?

    As performed by Elvis Presley…

    Seven lonely days
    And a dozen towns ago
    I reached out one night
    And you were gone
    Don’t know why you’d run,
    What you’re running to or from
    All I know is I want to bring you home

    So I’m walking in the rain,
    Thumbing for a ride
    On this lonely Kentucky backroad
    I’ve loved you much too long
    And my love’s too strong
    To let you go, never knowing
    What went wrong

    Kentucky rain keeps pouring down
    And up ahead’s another town
    That I’ll go walking thru
    With the rain in my shoes,
    Searchin’ for you
    In the cold kentucky rain,
    In the cold kentucky rain

    Showed your photograph
    To some old gray bearded man
    Sitting on a bench
    Outside a genral store
    They said yes, she’s been here
    But their memory wasn’t clear
    Was it yesterday,
    No, wait the day before

    So I finally got a ride
    With a preacher man who asked
    Where you bound on such a dark afternoon?
    As we drove on thru the rain
    As he listened I explained
    And he left me with a prayer
    That I’d find you

  • See Dee, anyone can be wrong… even MCH! Now leave his blue suede shoes alone!… and thanks for contributing to the conversations.


  • Dee

    Damn, I’m sorry MCH #224, my mistake It was Heartbreak Hotel that was written by Elvis Presley and Mae Axton. Not Jailhuse Rock. (If your as old as I am you’ll remember that Mae Axton was a contry singer named Hoxt Axtons mother.

  • Dee

    MCH #224 Yes you are wrong. Elvis wrote “JAILHOUSE ROCK” It was co-written with a country singer named Axton.

  • Alright, let me go get my leather straps…

  • Jet: I have found my interest in music re-energised since discovering a site called Pandora.

    If you want to risk torturing yourself by being exposed to a little of my world, check out Alienboy’s World Sounds Like This.

  • Happy traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaails to you

    Until-we meet-againnnnnnnnnnnnn

  • Niters Chantal. I really enjoyed “meeting you” tonite. There really are some very nice people here at Blogcritics. Thank You.


  • OK boys…I’m off to bed.

    Jet–thanks for the laugh

    Glen–thanks for the Radiohead, I’ll definitely be back to listen to more.

    goodnight gentlemen

  • I know to never believe a woman when she says that…and I’m not even gay.

    By the way Jet, the answers to your questions about Radiohead and the underground tour are up on my “Happy Birthday” post now.

    Yer Welcome!~


  • Jet: LMAO! 😛

  • NEVER ever believe a woman when she says she’s sorry. Just one of many reasons I’m gay.

  • awwwww…sorry

  • Mine too.

  • YOU’RE MARRIED!!!!!!!!

    Now my heart if broken.

  • either way is fine…..i pronounce it with the emphasis on the 2nd syllable: shon-TALL….but ive heard SHON-tall, and that’s fine too….my husband says SHON-tell, which is fine, coming from him, anything sounds sexy 😉

  • Accent on the first or last syllable? I hate the word “syllable” no matter how many times you look at it, you swear you’ve spelled it wrong!

  • it’s pronounced shon-tal…although the pronunciation shan-tell is common. it’s a french name, you u gotta say it with flair.

  • Lou Reed ripping off Marky Mark…now thats just wrong.

  • How do you think I feel when some rapper has stolen a chunk of one of my childhood favorites, and some kid thinks Lou Reed ripped off Marky Mark?

    I go a little bit beserk myself, completely understood.

  • Oops. Sorry, my bad. Like I said, music snob and all that…can’t help myself some times. But the idea of a rapper singing “You’ve Got A Friend…Bitch”, that still cracks me up.


  • Glennnnnnnnnnnn the first line says interpreted by

    I own both versions, I like Jame’s better.


  • The thought of some gangsta rap group doing the James Taylor “sensitive singer songwriter” bit is just too much for me to fathom.

    I mean wouldn’t it be more like “Aint It Good To Know You’ve Got A Friend…Bitch?”

    By the way, if I’m not mistaken, Carole King actually wrote that tune. Sorry…you know…”music snob” and all that…can’t help myself.


  • Chantal, my pleasure. Do me a favor write out phonetically how your name is pronounced?

    I’ve been using Shan-tell? Am I close?

  • I love how BC virtually stops after 10pm on a Friday night.

    Hey Jet…..sorry for the hijack, just had to comment 🙂

  • Let’s see some rap group top this…

    As interpreted by James Taylor

    When youre down and troubled
    And you need a helping hand
    And nothing, whoa nothing is going right.
    Close your eyes and think of me
    And soon I will be there
    To brighten up even your darkest nights.

    You just call out my name,
    And you know whereever I am
    Ill come running, oh yeah baby
    To see you again.
    Winter, spring, summer, or fall,
    All you have to do is call
    And Ill be there, yeah, yeah, yeah.
    Youve got a friend.

    If the sky above you
    Should turn dark and full of clouds
    And that old north wind should begin to blow
    Keep your head together and call my name out loud
    And soon I will be knocking upon your door.
    You just call out my name and you know where ever I am
    Ill come running to see you again.
    Winter, spring, summer or fall
    All you got to do is call
    And Ill be there, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    Hey, aint it good to know that youve got a friend?
    People can be so cold.
    Theyll hurt you and desert you.
    Well theyll take your soul if you let them.
    Oh yeah, but dont you let them.

    You just call out my name and you know wherever I am
    Ill come running to see you again.
    Oh babe, dont you know that,
    Winter spring summer or fall,
    Hey now, all youve got to do is call.
    Lord, Ill be there, yes I will.
    Youve got a friend.
    Youve got a friend.
    Aint it good to know youve got a friend.
    Aint it good to know youve got a friend.
    Youve got a friend.

  • Always glad to be of service Jet.

  • Ah! I figured if anyone would know it’d be you Glen… Thanks

  • That would be the “cool summer remix” version of Nasty from Janet’s Control album.

    Herb blows some mean ass horn on that remix.

  • Joey, Thanks for some really cool memories, I think Herb Albert did something with Janet Jackson once. My mom loved him too.


  • Joey

    I found some good tracks up on mp3 dot com.

    Local artist, some okay some really good. I did a search on jazz or fusion and came up with some nice listenable, background stuff.

    Check this out… back in the 60’s my dad and his buddy were talking over cocktails (it was the 60’s). Well Vince says “ahhh Mantovani really does it for me” and my dad sat there nodding in agreement.

    To set the stage my dad was in 3 wars and had the typical GI set up… huge stereo, huge speakers, top of the line everything, all bought in Hong Kong while on R and R, and let me tell you he listened to “elevator” music so loud he lit up the neigborhood. Big band, all that stuff. So really it became the soundtrack of my youth, plus the stuff I could slip in there. But I wasn’t too far out, a bit of Hendrix, Cream… LOTs of Allman brothers (I wore the grooves off of those records). Some Miles, some Dave Pike, Mongo Santa Maria… whatever. THEN, my dad discovered the Herb Alpert…. the later stuff. Gawd… he blew the doors off of the hinges (he probably was suffering from a hearing impairment). But it was really good quality music “in stereo.” Remember the records had to say “in stereo” to notify you that they really were on the cutting edge.

    Anyway… gotta go.

  • zingzing

    not in the days of the internet… go to that link. free (and new) music abounds! some of the stuff is not even released yet.

  • When one is on a limited budget, the radio is all one has access to, but I shall try, my alter ego, I shall try.

  • zingzing

    jet, go to The Hype Machine and look at the “most blogged” and “popular searches” lists… go check out a few songs by some of these artists. i think you may be surprised by the quality of music being released these days.

  • zingzing

    are people so lazy that the most they do to find new music is flick a switch on the tv or the radio? christ. that’s actually difficult… sifting through all that absolute shit just to find the random tune or two, which will end up being the only good song on the album anyway…

    go to clubs, see shows, read up on the internet (cokemachineglow, the onion av club, pitchforkmedia, allmusic, metacritic…), talk to friends, listen to wfmu, wxyc, kexp (all of these are streamed online)… go to the record store and ask questions! all of these things take less time than waiting around on the stupid radio…

    do something! it’s so damn easy, most of it is free, and it’s fun besides.

    listening to the radio to find good music is like going to walmart for fine china… YOU AIN’T GONNA FIND IT THERE.

  • To quote the immortal words of that old sage Bob Seger…

    Just take those old records off the shelf
    Ill sit and listen to em by myself
    Todays music aln t got the same soul
    I like that old time rock n roll
    Dont try to take me to a disco
    Youll never even get me out on the
    In ten minutes Ill be late for the door
    I like that old time rockn roll

    Still like that old time rockn roll
    That kind of music just soothes the soul
    I reminisce about the days of old
    With that old time rock n roll
    Wont go to hear them play a tango
    Id rather hear some blues or funky old soul
    Theres only sure way to get me to go
    Start playing old time rock n roll
    Call me a relic, call me what you will
    Say Im old-fashioned, say Im over the hill
    Today music aint got the same soul
    I like that old time rock n roll

    Still like that old time rockn roll
    That kind of music just soothes the soul
    I reminisce about the days of old
    With that old time rock n roll

    Solus mei sententia

  • ZingZing 240: We then I guess there isn’t hope for me yet…

  • Mary 239: Well then there’s hope for me yet.

  • zingzing

    Theena: “I am 23 and hate the so-called music that is currently being played to death on radio stations. Trust me, Jet; your generation was lucky. I would love to be in your shoes.”

    then stop listening to the radio. go find out about music in other places. guess what percentage of music actually makes it on the radio? about .001%. maybe less. radio ignores 99.999% of the music being released. i’d say there is a 100% chance that you can find 100 albums of new music every month that will be better than anything you hear on the radio. and that’s probably an understatement.

  • Not obsolete, not at all. Hell, I’ll listen to Floyd as loud as possible. AND I do know several kids 16 and 17 who love Floyd just as much. My own 17 year old’s mp3 consists of Led Zeppelin, Floyd, Linkin Park, Creed, AC/DC, and a lot of show tunes. He’s as eclectic as I am. (just got through writing about my love of jazz, rock, punk, classical – and am currently listening to some great techno-trance stuff on satellite radio.

  • Thank you theena, much appreciated…

  • I am 23 and hate the so-called music that is currently being played to death on radio stations. Trust me, Jet; your generation was lucky. I would love to be in your shoes.

  • Joey #232 I have everything the Moody Blues ever recorded on vinal and CD. There was a great album called “Blue Jays” that Justin Hayward and Jonn Lodge did after the temporarily broke up in the early 70s and before the reformed.

    My all time favorite song of all time if “I dreamed last night” off that album. Justin did some good solo work too.

    If you get a chance check out the Moody Blues DVD the Legend of a Band. It spectatular.

  • Joey #231 When you’re hot-you’re hot, when you’re not you’re not. One of my first “Favorite songs” was Witchata Lineman” by Glen Campbell-Jimmy Webb was a great composer

    I wonder why no one put Glen Campbell up for best guitarist on that list?

  • 230 Joey, I wonder if Randy was relaged to Earl?

  • Joey:229, well I’m glad this one isn’t so complicated for you…

  • Joey

    I’m getting wordy here…. how about the Moody Blues, Seventh Sojourn? Wow.

  • Joey

    Did you say Jerry Reed?

    I used to have a Jerry Reed and Chet Atkins record… it was burnin’

    I also used to have a Glen Campbell instrumental album called 6 and 12 string guitar… it was great too.

    I do like some lyrics, but for the most opart I have always really held instrumentals in higher regard. Including Zappa.

  • Joey

    Danny O’keefe’s album “Breezy Stories” was great! That’s where Good Time Charlie came off of. He also wrote “The Road” which Jackson Browne sung to death.

    #227 was the lead in joke song from Hee Haw… I also used to watch the Johnny Cash Hour, which BTW had a lot of up and coming groups on, such as the Allman Brothers, Gordon Lightfoot, a host of others… it would be a GREAT DVD series to release.

    Early Ry Cooder was fantastic especially Boomer’s Story. Along with early Pure Prairie League, early Little Feat, early Marshall Tucker, early Charlie Daniels. Anyone remember John Hartford’s Aeroplane with Vassar Clements, Randy Scruggs and Norman Blake? OUTSTANDING!

  • Joey

    I went to a seminar once that featured some dude who claimed that Don McLean was a prophet and that American Pie was prohesy fulfilled. He made a bunch of scriptural connections… it was pretty out there in my opinion… but it illustrates the excesses some people go to in making connections (Unlike James Burke, or Simon Singh).

    I also remember last year some nutcase proclaiming that Three Dog Night held some kind of godlike status and that they were the BEST band ever. Anyone else remember that thread? It was pretty invovled, not unlike this one.

    Wheew… it got pretty wierd around here.

  • While watching a report on Iraq a song came to me by Don (American Pie)McLean called “the Grave” and it’s just as moving as it was thirty five or so years ago…

    The Grave
    Words & Music by Don McLean
    (Album – American Pie)

    The grave that they dug him had flowers
    Gathered from the hillsides in bright summer colours
    And the brown earth bleached white at the edge of his gravestone
    He’s gone

    When the wars of our nation did beckon
    A man barely twenty did answer the calling
    Proud of the trust that he placed in our nation
    He’s gone

    But eternity knows him
    And it knows what we’ve done

    And the rain fell like pearls on the leaves of the flowers
    Leaving brown muddy clay where the earth had been dry
    And deep in the trench he waited for hours
    As he held to his rifle and prayed not to die

    But the silence of night was shattered by fire
    As guns and grenades blasted sharp through the air
    One after another his comrades were slaughtered
    In a morgue of marines, alone standing there

    He crouched ever lower, ever lower with fear
    They can’t let me die, they can’t let me die here
    I’ll cover myself with the mud and the earth
    I’ll cover myself, I know I’m not brave!
    The earth, the earth, the earth is my grave

    The grave that they dug him had flowers
    Gathered from the hillsides in bright summer colours
    And the brown earth bleached white at the edge of his gravestone
    He’s gone

    © Copyright 1971, 1972 by MUSIC CORPORATION OF AMERICA, INC. and THE BENNY BIRD CO, INC.
    All Rights Controlled and Administered by MUSIC CORPORATION OF AMERICA, INC.
    International Copyright Secured. All Rights reserved
    MCA Music Publishing

    Don McLean’s Official Web Site

  • Wherrrrrrrrrrrrrre Oh Wherrrrrre are you toonatt? Wha did you leeeeve me here all alonnnnnne? I sarched the world over and ah thought I found truuuuuu luv, but you found another and pttttttttt you was gone!

    name that tune

  • Songwriter Paul Terry King co- author of such hits as “Love in the First Degree,” sung by Alabama, and “Idabel,” sung by Elvis, is auctioning his interest in the only known available Elvis song titled “If I’d Only Bought Her Roses.”

    Presley and King co-wrote the song in 1973 and performed it privately. It was the last song written by Elvis and King prior to Elvis’s death that remains unreleased and unpublished.

  • Andy, I know I know…

    Thank you for being so diplomatic


  • MCH


    I could be wrong, but I don’t believe Elvis ever wrote a song.

  • 51! You’re not musically obsolete…you’re just fucking old!

    I’m right behind you though…so step lively.

  • I got this song stuck in my head this morning and couldn’t remember is it was Willie Nelson or Elvis Presley who wrote it, and it turns out to be by Danny O’keefe who’d originally recorded it…

    Caution if you know the melody, it’ll get stuck in your head all day…

    Good Time Charlie’s Got the Blues
    Danny O’Keefe
    Written by Danny O’Keefe

    Peak chart position # 9 in 1972

    Everybody’s goin’ away
    Said they’re movin’ to LA
    There’s not a soul I know around
    Everybody’s leavin’ town

    Some caught a freight, some caught a plane
    Find the sunshine, leave the rain
    They said this town’s a waste of time
    I guess they’re right, it’s wastin’ mine

    Some gotta win, some gotta lose
    Good time Charlie’s got the blues
    Good time Charlie’s got the blues

    Ya know my heart keeps tellin’ me
    “You’re not a kid at thirty-three”
    “Ya play around, ya lose your wife”
    “Ya play too long, you lose your life”

    I got my pills to ease the pain
    Can’t find a thing to ease the rain
    I’d love to try and settle down
    But everybody’s leavin’ town

    Some gotta win, some gotta lose
    Good time Charlie’s got the blues
    Good time Charlie’s got the blues
    Good time Charlie’s got the blues

    (whistling to end)

  • dee

    I sincerely doubt that considering how old the Cosby Show is that the Huxtabulls would have to explain who Stevie Wonder is in ten years.(that would be now). Anyone who has been a Cosby Show fan knows that Bill is a very big music fan. He played the blues on his show from as far back as it was invented. I’m sure his children were raised with it. And they learned from Stevie Wonder about many other artists considering the fact that he played on everyones albums under the sun including Carly Simon. He also has written songs for everyone under the sun. The man is an undisputable poetic genius and is repected by all ages. By the way, wasn’t he just a guess star on American Idol show just a few weeks ago and everyone was hoping to learn from him? When asked about his music bein covered, he said” No I don’t like anyone else recording my stuff, write your own songs, I had to. Kids today that are smart and want to get ahead in the music world learn from the artists of the past. I would agree if you used Paul Revere and the Raiders or Hermans’ Hermits but, not Stevie Wonder.

  • Zing there are quite a few fans who bought “Just push Play” that might not agree with there sir.

  • zingzing

    kids get into floyd before they figure out that there is better music to take drugs to. aerosmith has been putting out crap ballads for years, so the kids know better. ooh.

  • What???? no Alice Cooper? No Aerosmith?? What’s happening to today’s kids???

  • IronBaden #216: Hmmmm, Maybe there’s hope for me yet!

    Where’d you read that I’d like to check it out!

    Thanks for contributing

  • Ironbaden

    I just read an article that said that 20% of all led zeppelin and Pink Floyd CD’s sold between 2002 and 2005 were purchased by kids between 13-17 years old….. the circle of life

  • Not bad Tom, not bad. Time to get out the CD burner.

  • Hmmmmm Thanks Tom:213 I’ll go to my library’s site and see if they have them to listen to.


    You’re turning 50 Ha! ask me if I feel sorry for you!!!! Actually I fell for ya buddy, my 50th was a trauma in more ways than one.

    Thanks for contributing

  • Tom

    My favorite story song is:

    Eye of the Hurricane by David Wilcox
    Rusty Old American Dream by David Wilcox
    Rocky Raccoon by the Beatles
    Chet Baker’s Unsung Swan Song by David Wilcox

    I love the complexity and beauty of the lyrics and I think David Wilcox is one of the best songwriters of my generation (I’m a boomer turning 50 in August).

  • Believe it or not, what first attracted me to Year of the Cat was when I heard “One stage before” on FM. I almost put Lord Grenville in my list but I figured only true fans would have ever heard of it.

  • My mother is a big fan of “End of the Day.” It’s one of her two or three favorite Al Stewart songs, I think.

    Somehow, though, Time Passages has never been one of my big favorites. Maybe because it’s sandwiched in-between Year of the Cat and 24 PCarrots, which ARE big favorites.

  • Al Stewart’s “Time Passages” is an album I can listen to all the way through, which is rare (I have two of the original vinal because I wore the first one out), I think I like Dark Water better, or Palace.

    The reason I picked “End of the Day” is because I can sing the whole thing through with the instrumental at the beginning before the vocal comes up, and then sing harmony with him when it does.

  • Thanks Michael, If I had a choice I’d have put the whole album on there.

  • End of the day-Al Stewart

    GREAT CHOICE!!!!!! Although, if I have to choose a “story” song from the Time Passages album, I go with “Almost Lucy.”

  • Favorite “story” songs… (Just to show you how old I am) Part 9

    Song for Emma-Joe Walsh
    The Confessor-Joe Walsh
    Do you know the way to San Jose?-Dionne Warwick
    Living for the City-Stevie Wonder
    Owner of a lonely heart-Yes
    Heart of Gold-Neil Young
    Goin’ Back-Neil Young
    Rough Boy-ZZ Top
    Alice’s resturant-Arlo Guthrie
    Guitarzan-Ray Stevens
    Walkin’ after midnight-Patsy Cline
    She’s got you-Patsy Cline
    Amos Moses-Jerry Reed
    El Paso-Marty Robbins
    Woke up this morning-the Sopranos Theme

    I hope these lists have jogged a few memories!

  • dear Chelsea, I’m going to copy, paste and answer this here.

    All with similar comments please follow me there.

    thank you

  • Favorite “story” songs… (Just to show you how old I am) Part 8

    End of the day-Al Stewart
    Downtown train-Rod Stewart
    Maggie May-Rod Stewart
    Fortress around your heart-Sting
    Breakfast in America-Supertramp
    Take the long way home-Supertramp
    Love Child-The Supremes
    Stop in the name of love!-The Supremes
    Fire and Rain-James Taylor
    Walking Man-James Taylor
    Song for you far away-James Taylor
    Everybody wants to rule the world-Tears for Fears
    Papa was a rolling stone-The Temptations
    Mama told me not to come-Three Dog Night
    Funky Cold Medina-Tone Loc
    What’s love got to do with it?-Tina Turner
    Right now-Van Halen
    Life’s been good-Joe Walsh
    All night laundromat blues-Joe Walsh

  • Jet #176 (yes, I’m way behind, but I’ve been on my death bed with my good friends Sudafed and Nyquil all day. My 21st is on Thursday and it’s only kharmatic that I come down with a nasty cold right about now) — freelancing would be right up your alley. I write for a few publications now, and only one of them have I ever had an actual face-to-face with my editor (only because I used to intern there). And like zing said, it’s not enough for a living, but I get paid a decent amount, and it’s enough to help pay the rent. Every little bit can’t hurt…

  • Favorite “story” songs… (Just to show you how old I am) Part 7

    We may never pass this way again-Seals & Croft
    House for Sale-the Fifth Dimension
    Ruby Jean & Billy Lee-Seals & Croft
    Night moves-Bob Seger
    Leader of the Pack-The Shangrilas
    She runs away-Duncan Shiek
    America-Simon & Garfunkle
    Mrs. Robinson-Simon & Garfunkle
    The Boxer-Simon & Garfunkle
    You can call me Al, Paul Simon
    That’s the way I’ve always heard it should be-Carly Simon
    We have no secrets-Carly Simon
    Men in Black-Will Smith
    Pot Commercial-Spanky & Our Gang
    Brothers under the bridge-Bruce Springsteen
    The no no song, Ringo Starr
    Hey 19-Steely Dan
    Deacon Blues-Steely Dan
    Morning has broken-Cat Stevens
    Time Passages-Al Stewart

  • Pot Commercial-Spanky & our Gang 1969

    Up in the morning, just about four,
    I put on my shoes and I’m out the door,
    Life is such a terrible bore
    I’m a garbage man.

    Riding on the garbage truck with my friend Lou,
    He says, “Hey baby, you looking kinda blue!”
    Yeah man, don’t this job ever get to you?
    I mean all this garbage; Yuck!

    Now hold on Jim, I got just the thing you need!
    Yeah baby take a puff of this funny looking weed.
    Oh I don’t know man!
    Come on smoke it, it’s choice and it’s free!
    Oh, well thank you!

    Well the sun was shining, rising in the sky,
    Garbage truck drawing flies,
    I didn’t care man I was riding high, I was out of it.
    Stoned, wasted, garbage stinks, but I float along
    Singing this happy happy song.

    Pot’s too good, to be just, for the young!

  • Favorite “story” songs… (Just to show you how old I am) Part 6

    Good time Charlie’s got the blues-Danny O’Keefe
    Welcome to the machine-Pink Floyd
    Dogs-Pink Floyd
    High hopes-Pink Floyd
    Kentucky Rain-Elvis Presley
    Raspberry beret-Prince
    Whiter shade of pale-Procol Harem
    Who wants to live forever-Queen
    Angie baby-Helen Reddy
    Take a walk on the wild side-Lou Reed
    Indian reservation-Paul Revere & the Raiders
    You’ve lost that lovin’ feeling-Righteous Brothers
    The poor side of town-Johnny Rivers
    One heartbeat at a time-Smokey Robinson
    Ruby, don’t take your love to town-Kenny Rogers & First Edition
    Angie-The Rolling Stones
    Snoopy & the Red Baron-the Royal Guardsmen
    Ghost of a chance-Rush
    Kiss from a Rose-Seal

  • Geo

    Jani got a gun?

    I thought it was Cheney got a gun.

  • The attitude was “do you’re own thing” back then.

    I’m sure it seemed that way at the time, Jet, but it wasn’t really all that different than at any other time. People may have worn this or that, but you could look at them and immediately know to what clique (and yes, there were certainly cliques back then) they belonged. And if you belonged to Clique “X,” there were certain criteria you followed, even if the space inside those criteria were fairly flexible.

    And I would argue that people’s clothes, hair, and other fashions are WAY more varied now than they were in, say, 1971.

  • Silas#193 does Huey Lewis know you’ve borrowed his wardrobe?

  • Michael, considering what happened on another string just now, I’m beginning to wonder if I’m experincing some good natured ribbing, or just the victim of some bad faggot jokes.

  • Michael #191: My father was in the airforce and made me wear a crewcut in highschool, and I had no problems…The attitude was “do you’re own thing” back then.

  • #190 Zing: it’s probably the good old days syndrome

  • zingzing


  • It’s hip to be square and not hip to be straight. It’s NOT cool to ostracize a person for being either.

  • Oops…probably should have said a “straight” instead of a square. Either way, you were ostracized.

  • Back then you could wear anything and no one judged you. It was the “freedom to be me” generaton. Nowadays in this up tight born-again culture you have to conform.

    In the ’60s and early ’70s? Are you fucking kidding? What if you were in your early 20s wore a crew-cut and a tie? You were immediately pegged as a “Square,” or worse, A “Haldeman.”

    That time was not, in any way, less image-conscious or fashion-dictated than any other era.

  • zingzing

    nah. the styles may have changed, but there are still people out there who refuse to conform. besides, long hair and bellbottoms certainly weren’t that far away from the mainstream… they were the mainstream. my dad wore both, and he was never out to do anything but be “cool” back then. it’s like wearing tight pants and having a mohawk these days. sure, it’s a bit different, but not so much.

    shit… there was a girl who worked with me who had a 3 foot afro (she’s white) and spinal piercings (maybe 19) to go with her maybe 30 tatoos and 15 facial piercings. now that’s a bit out there. i’m sure she got laughed at now and again. but, it really wasn’t that shocking these days…

    i think you’ve got a bit of the rose-tinted glasses syndrome going on… or maybe the good ol days syndrome… society these days isn’t as monocromatic as you see it. there is plenty of diversity. maybe it’s just where you live. go to nyc or la or dc or portland. weirdness abounds.

  • What’s still around. If a guy walked down the street wearing bellbottoms and long hair today he’d be laughed off the street.

    Back then you could wear anything and no one judged you. It was the “freedom to be me” generaton. Nowadays in this up tight born-again culture you have to conform.

  • zingzing

    jet– “Yes, I believe too that the genesis of pop music happened in the 60s and early 70s.”

    nah… try a lot earlier. like 20’s blues, or even earlier, like that stephen foster guy.

    “It was a time of being completely free and unjudged, unlike today.” [and the whole beard, long hair, short hair bit.]

    oi. that’s still around. it’s just harder to see past the corporate marketing machine that the 60’s and 70’s developed around music.

  • Favorite “story” songs… (Just to show you how old I am) Part 5

    California dreamin’-The Mamas & the Papas
    Freddy’s dead-Curtis Mayfield
    Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey-Paul McCartney
    American Pie-Don McLean
    Praying for time-George Michael
    The Rose-Bette Midler
    In these shoes?-Bette Midler
    Take the money and run-Steve Miller Band
    Life in the fast lane-The Eagles
    The Circle Game (live version)-Joni Mitchell.
    The door into summer-The Monkees
    Knights in white satin-The Moody Blues
    I dreamed last night-Justin Haywood & John Lodge
    I know you’re out there somewhere–The Moody Blues
    A boy named Sue-Johnny Cash
    Birmingham-Randy Newman
    Has anyone ever written anything for you-Stevie Nicks
    Put de lime in da coconut-Harry Nilson
    The streak-Ray Stevens

    I hope some of these are bringing back fond memories?

  • Sister Ray, sometimes the only way to get though a birthday like my last one is to tell myself that when I turn 70, I’d probably sell my soul to be 51 again.

    Yes, I believe too that the genesis of pop music happened in the 60s and early 70s. It was a time of being completely free and unjudged, unlike today.

    A man could wear his hair long or short, beard or unshaven, button down shirt, or psychodelic pullovers, bell bottoms or daisy mae’s No one cared and no one judged. Blacklight posters on the wall and the smell of incense, I miss that era, where everything goes, and no one put you down for it. Maybe that’s why I love the music, it brings back strong memories of hippies, protest marches, “do your own thing” and begining and ending every sentence with the word “man”

    You could even be a “Jesus Freak” without being a Fundamentalist.

    Man you know what I mean man?

  • zingzing

    jet–email some publications with story ideas, not full stories (if you’ve already written the story, then… you don’t have to write it again). send some examples… but editors want original content, not prefabbed stuff.

  • Jet, this is my perspective on age and music: I’m one of those people who was born too late to get in on all the fun in the 1960s. That era struck my fancy as a teen and never left, although I did listen to contemporary music too.

    Today, at 43, I’m still fascinated by tales of the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, Andy Warhol’s Factory, the Doors, Woodstock, and so on. If I’d been old enough to experience it all firsthand, I’d be in my 60s now (if I survived :->). If that makes me old, so be it. I appreciate that my msucial icons left such a great legacy for me to enjoy.

  • Zing I kinda had hopes in that direction, but don’t know how to go about it. My “Vocabulary Lesson” got published on Cleveland.com and I hoped something would come out of it, but for naught.

    Maybe I should e-mail some stuff to people and ask what they’d be willing to pay for it.

  • Favorite “story” songs… (Just to show you how old I am) Part 4

    Livin’ in a world they didn’t make-Janet Jackson
    Piano Man-Billy Joel
    Tiny Dancer-Elton John
    Rocket Man-Elton John
    The Ballad of Danny Bailey-Elton John
    Goodbye Norma Jean-Elton John
    Me and Bobby McGee-Janis Joplin
    Love me still-Chaka Kahn
    Lola-The Kinks
    Neither one of us-Gladys Knight & the Pips
    Midnight train to Georga-Gladys Knight & the Pips
    The night the lights went out in Georgia-Vicki Laurence
    That’s the way-Led Zeppelin
    Stairway to Heaven-Led Zeppelin
    If you could read my mind-Gordon Lightfoot
    Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald-Gordon Lightfoot
    Me & you & a dog named boo-Lobo
    House at Pooh corner-Loggins & Messina
    Danny’s song-Loggins & Messina
    Live to tell-Madonna

  • well damn…it didnt post twice afterall…..

    I think I need to lay down for a while

  • I have absolutely no idea how or why that posted twice, other than maybe I’m just doubly fabulous today…or maybe the Other personality is trying to take over…..


  • creepy?? hmmmm, I think I can do creepy.

    I’ll check it out, thanks

  • zingzing

    chantal–if you like “that earthy” sound, then i definitely suggest some palace (palace music, palace brothers, palace songs, etc). it’s almost like appalachian folk music. (just a little dig–and he’s a muchmuchmuch better songwriter than ryan adams.) his voice takes some getting used to, but he is very charming. and creepy.

  • zingzing

    that’s the beauty of freelancing. you have no employer. technically, you are self-employed. i could never make a living off it, but you write a shitload… you can do it from home, and, other than deadlines, have little obligation to any employer.

  • It’s touch to put in applications, when you’ve got 10 different doctors looking after different parts of you, plus telling an employer that you have to go to the hospital on an irregular basis makes things difficult.

    Most people won’t hire people like me because they’re afraid I’ll sue them or something if I should fall on my bad knee or hurt my ankle.

    This subject is better served on my other article

    but thanks for the suggestion.

  • Well Jet , you write an awful lot, maybe you could use that to get a job. I got picked up for freelance work based on my blogging ….

  • Favorite “story” songs… (Just to show you how old I am) Part 3

    Don’t want to lose you now-Gloria Estefan
    First time ever I saw your face-Roberta Flack
    Killing me softly-Roberta Flack
    Rhiannon-Fleetwood Mac
    Go your own way-Fleetwood Mac
    Same old lang syne-Dan Fogleberg
    Willing to forgive-Aretha Franklin
    I heard it though the grapevine-Marvin Gaye
    Blood on the rooftops-Genesis
    No son of mine-Genesis
    Ode to Billy Joe-Bobby Gentry
    Honey-Bobby Goldsboro
    It’s my party/Judy’s turn to cry-Leslie Gore
    The city of New Orleans-Arlo Guthrie
    McArthur Park-Richard Harris
    Bus Stop-The Hollies
    The Pina Coloda song-Rupert Holmes
    The way it is-Bruce Hornsby
    At 17-Janis Ian

  • Favorite “story” songs… (Just to show you how old I am) Part 2

    Send in the clowns-Judy Collins
    When the night comes-Joe Cocker
    The roof is leaking-Phil Collins
    On every street-Dire Straits
    From the Inside-Alice Cooper
    Little pink houses-Johnny Cougar
    Bad, bad Leroy Brown-Jim Croce
    Woodstock-Crosby, Stills and Nash
    Let’s get rocked-Def Leopard
    Brother Love’s travelin’ salvation show-Neil Diamond
    In the air tonight-Phil Collins
    Abraham, Martin and John-Dion
    The planet of New Orleans-Dire Straits
    Lyin’ eyes-The Eagles
    Ticket to Heaven-Dire Straits
    Life in a Northern Town-Dream Academy
    Like a rolling stone-Bob Dylan
    Victim of the modern heart-Earth, Wind, & Fire
    Hallowed be thy name-Emerson, Lake & Palmer
    Who’s lonely now?-England Dan & John Ford Coley

  • Favorite “story” songs… (Just to show you how old I am) Part 1

    Taxi-Harry Chapin
    By the time I get to Phoenix-Glen Campbell
    Big John-Jimmy Dean
    A day in the life-The Beatles
    Living on a prayer-Bon Jovi
    Space Oddity (Major Tom)-David Bowie
    Welcome to the real world-Jane Child
    Same old love-Anita Baker
    Gypsies, tramps, & thieves-Cher
    Merc man-Kim Karnes
    Ringo-Lorne Green
    A summer song-Chad & Jeremy
    Penny Lane-The Beatles
    Cat’s in the cradle-Harry Chapin
    Fast Car-Tracy Chapman
    I got you babe-Sonny & Cher
    Horse with no name-America
    Dark Lady-Cher
    Janie got a gun-Aerosmith

  • Chelsea #167 I’d give anything to be able to go back to work…

  • zing….I always thought you were kinda cool, but I have a whole new respect now….Low End Theory is one of my all-time favorite albums. And Eric B and Rakim are in my top 5 list of favorite hip hop artists. Very cool, indeed.

    I have varied musical tastes. And the reason I like Ryan Adams is not so much from the country-rock end of things…but more just because I really love a more earthy, acoustic sound. And Ryan Adams just kept coming up on my Launch-cast thingy on yahoo. I never heard a song of his I didn’t like. I bought Cold Roses just a couple weeks ago, and I really love it. Before that I didn’t even realize how ‘country’ his sound was, but it’s definitely growing on me. My husband has some George Strait and Tim McGraw on his computer, and I like it. It’s just not a genre I ever really listened to, but I’m open.

    re. comment 151…nugget…I love Bach…and I love Jack Johnson too. What does that say about my ear??

  • It’s okay, thanks for sticking up for me Zing.
    Chelsea might not know.

    Besides it just another reason why I’m gay.

    Chelsea if you’re wondering what the hubbub is about click Here

  • zingzing

    damn chelsea. that wasn’t very nice. kinda cruel actually…

  • Well, you see, Jet, some of us have JOBS that prevent us from commenting every 10-15 minutes…

  • zingzing

    ahh… romance. that fucker.

  • Paging Matt Sussman! Comment 94 contained a challenge to your crack that I can’t write with substance and feeling. Well?

  • Zinnnnnnnnnnnng! Don’t get all romantic on me in front of the kids!!!

  • zingzing

    mmm… maybe. life stinks.

  • ZingZing you just lovvvvvvvvvvvve to make trouble don’t you?

  • zingzing

    oooh. is nugget a purist? shall we find out?

  • Nugget, I’ve been a fan of “Switched on Bach” even before Wendy Carlos was Walter Carlos, and have all of his/her CDs, which I play on long driving trips.

    It keeps me sharp behind the wheel, especially the fugues.

    I’m especially partial to the Brandenburgs

  • nugget

    though I agree with alot of chantal says, zing makes a good point.

    chantal said, “If you like something, you just like it, no matter the genre, the era or whatever.”

    That’s true. But this is often a cop-out statement by people who tend to shun good music.

    For instance, I love Bach. I love anything that man ever wrote. I don’t care about being archaic, old-fashioned, or esteemed as someone who “understands” something other people don’t. But I’ll be honest. I DO understand that music. It’s passionate and brilliant. It’s catchy, intricate, fun, and even repetitive sometimes! Most of you here posting would probably dismiss it as old sounding and inapplicable to your modern ears, which, btw, have been INUNDATED with the minor/major pentatonic scale. If it ain’t got the pentatonic and a catchy 4/4 variation, you can’t relate.

    I remember harping into some guy about his love for Jack Johnson. I can’t stand jack johnson. I enjoyed maybe a couple of his songs. But I can’t get too critical, because that guy opined that JJ was the greatest and felt very strongly about that. I let him be. But his opinion says something about his ear, understanding of certain manipulation tactics, and willingness to listen to the SAME thing over and over without getting thirsty for variation.

  • Ruvy,

    I’m late following up on the Ethiopian Jewish music sidebar…but you make it sound quite lovely and interesting. Are there any artists you know by name? I REALLY want to hear this stuff…

  • I’ll see if they have it at the library Zingzing, right now my finances aren’t in the best of shape.


  • Ruvy #154 well… I tried

  • zingzing

    jet/chantal–glad to hear it. i knew that if i gave it enough tries…

    chantal–if you like ryan adams, you’re obviously coming from the country-rock end of things. in that case, i suggest you go pick up an album called “bonnie ‘prince’ billy sings greatest palace music,” which is a straight up nashville country album as imagined by a cryptic backwoods death merchant. it’s… strange. then go check out dwight yoakam. because he rocks.

    jet–there is plenty of intelligent rap out there that side-steps all of the gangsta shit. gangsta pretty much died out in the underground years ago. you still see bits of it on mtv and on the radio, but it’s just a pop-manuever these days. as white (and british) as it is, the streets “a grand don’t come for free” is one of the better hip-hop albums to come out in a while. it’s a bit of a concept album, and the story is quite easy to follow, if a bit vague. there is none of the gangsta shit. in fact, there is not even any bling bling. the production is minimalist and interesting. the raps are… quirky. but, it seems like you like more old school stuff. two suggestions: “follow the leader” by eric b and rakim, and “low-end theory” by tribe called quest. two grand albums.

  • Jet, I probably have. But I don’t know from bands and have trouble remembering the names of songs and song-writers. Ask me about the number of states in the German Empire – I know that better.

  • Thanks Ruvy, I was wondering. Did you every listen to Seals and Croft’s “9 houses that Faith built” from the Diamond Girl album?

  • Jet, (comment #147)

    The B’nai Brith once did a lot of good stuff combatting anti-Semitism in America and elsewhere. Now? Can’t say.

  • Glen 145, maybe that’s where all my favorite acts fled? Maybe rock bands went country that’s the only place their music could be played and their hearts weren’t really in it.

  • I did and answered it too dear. There’s some complications I can’t go into that’ll have me tied up all weekend. some other time, I promise

  • Jet, please check the comments section on your blog…nothing bad, just some info :->

  • Oh Chantal…… “And when we get behaaaaaand closed doorrrrrrrrrrrrs and you you let yer hairrrrrrrrrrr hang down, and you make me glaaaaaad that Ah’m a mayyyyyyyan…

  • By the way Ruvy, what did you feel about B’nai Brith? (sic) Both Seals & Croft and England Dan and John Ford Coley used to mention them on every album cover.

  • The last country act I could handle, and actually bought all their albums was England Dan & John Ford Coley. I also loved his brother’s act Seal & Croft. Back further was Poco when Kenny Loggins was still with them.

  • Chantal, regarding your last comment…

    I like Ryan Adams voice a lot too.

    Gotta tell ya though…I saw him in concert (solo/accoustic) a couple of weeks ago, and it was the most disjointed mess I’ve ever seen.

    He was completely out of it. He left the stage halfway through to take a “shot” of something for a “cold” or something and came back and couldn’t remember what songs he had already played. The audience, which was basically quite forgiving and respectful still had to shout things like “focus Ryan” several times.

    It was truly a mess. One of the strangest, most disjointed things I’ve ever seen.

    Gotta go now…”Jeopardy” is on and “Bruce Springsteen” is actually one of the categories.


  • Chantal #142 I just hope it still fits.

  • ZingZing#141… Thanks for putting that down so clearly. So I’ll use your analogy thoughfully and try to stay true to it so you don’t think I’m being disrespectful, because I think I’ve got it now.

    A while back a freind took me to a fancy resturant on business and asked me to try something that he really loved, so I did and hated it. It was snails. A few years later we were at a different place and he asked me to try something and it was terrible. It was also snails, though he didn’t tell me up front, because he thought I’d like them because they were prepared different.

    In the nineties I tried rap and hated it, but a friend of mine played some of Ton Loc’s “Wild Thing” and I laughed my ass off. I loved it, but couldn’t find anything else that compared. Later Will Smith did “Summertime” and I flipped. I’d crank that sucker up and blast it to the neighborhood when I went out, and then came the theme songs to both Men in Blacks and I loved them.
    Then came PM Dawn, and again, I liked them a lot, but didn’t like how some of my favorite songs were being manipulated. “The ways of the wind” by PM Dawn still stands as one of my favorite tunes.

    But here’s the rap (so to speak) I hear Everlast’s “ends” and flipped, then discovered that it was the only song on the CD I liked, but it’d been bleeped for content, so I went out and tried to find the single.

    I spent about $30 for one song…One Song!!!

    The rap I don’t like is the kind where they use ghetto talk like dat, and ho, biches suckah, I don’t mind cussing, but I can’t stand bad english and it’s become like those snails. I’ll get talked into tasting them every once and a while, and one out a hundred I’ll like them, but the chef never seems to be able to prepare them the same way twice, and after a while, I just gave up going to that resturant, and eventually gave up on eating snails.

    How’d I do?

  • Jet….
    awww, I love you…now go get that Pirate costume!

    zing….you made your point, I stand by what i said, but I see what you’re saying. All my life I’ve always said I hated country music….then I heard Ryan Adams, and fell in love with his voice. Now, I’m willing, only slightly, to give other country a chance. What the hell, the hats are cool and the guys look hot in tight jeans, so the music can’t be so bad, right??

  • zingzing

    ok, jet. ok. you’re completely missing the point, but that’s okay. i’m not trying to be a broken record, but you keep on mistaking what i am saying as some sort of attack, when i am just bemoaning the way that people approach music. it can be taken as some sort of gift, given to you by an artist, for your entertainment that day. or it can be something to truly sink your mind into, to explore in depth and breadth. curiosity here can only reward.

    what i’m trying to do here is get beyond opinion to some objective thoughts about music. the same person who says “music is subjective” is the same person who says “you can’t WRITE about MUSIC” is the same person who, in arguing about it, is writing about it. you can have all the opinions you like (um, rap isn’t singing, that’s true–it’s not trying to be, so how do you judge it based on that?). but it is a straight up fact that if you do not explore music’s boundaries, even within pop or rock, you are not going to find out anything new about it. it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. no, you’re never going to be able to hear it all. you might not want to. but, if you don’t go out there now and again, you may as well sit in an apartment in new york city playing scrabble with your cat. why be around everything if you’re not interested? if you are interested, why not go exploring? some people just don’t care about music. for those that do, it’s a truly amazing thing. and it’s so easy… why not?

    i suppose it’s like food. you (2nd person, non-specific) can eat hamburgers and hotdogs and macncheese like you did when you were a kid for the rest of your days… if you like… wouldn’t be too healthy… and it would be RATHER BORING. or, you can experiment: try that octopus. is that raw? oh my, never seen it cooked like that… what? fruits in meats? meats in fruits?

    it’s got nothing to do with personal taste. in fact, it’s best to react against your personal taste. was that revolting yesterday? is there any reason why you were revolted? want to feel revolted today? do you ever change? yes, every moment of every day.

    i don’t see how… i wish i knew how to make things bold… does a person who DOES NOT listen to new music have a right to judge it? NO! you have no right to judge anything you DO NOT listen to. if you listened to it, as you say you did, then you can judge it. that’s true. but if you DO NOT (!), then what… what… how the hell did you quote my question, and then answer it that way? that’s not an answer. did you read the question? was i even asking you? it was a rhetorical question… i mean shit… look at the thing. it’s pretty obvious what the answer is from the way the question was constructed. it was done on purpose.

    you can miss the music of the 60’s… i don’t know how you do that, as it is still around… and 70’s all you like. i’m not questioning that. and anyone who scoffs at you for singing a classic song obviously has no clue what a classic that song is.

    here… a suggestion/olive branch. Look up Olivia Tremor Control. they were a band from the late-90’s out of athens GA who combined the instrumental sound of the beatles (and some more experimental stuff) with the vocal sound of the beach boys. i see a lot of the byrds in their songwriting. maybe more george harrison than lennon/mcartney. their ambitions led them into territory that was uncharted by those 60’s groups, and has been quite influential on some current day musical developments. it’s music that sounds like the past, but looks toward the future. it embraces both. it’s like finding a 60’s band you never heard of, who are just mind-blowingly creative.

    take it or leave it.

  • Chantal, thanks for babysitting while I was gone, the check’s in the mail


  • Bronz…#123 A sensible man with a sensible comment and sensible suggestions, which I will follow.

    Thank you…

  • Zing Zing #120… To quote someone famous “jeez. you’re really taking offense. you asked the question. i gave my opinion. no need to get all huffy. i thought the point of commenting was a discussion… which we were having until you decided to get all offended.”

    and as for…
    “does a person who (by their own admission) does not listen to new music have any right to judge it?

    Yes, as do all of us. I listened to it, I didn’t like it, I judged it, and changed the radio channel. I didn’t write the FCC and asked it to be banned from the airwaves, I said I listened to it, I didn’t like it, I changed the channel.

  • Chantal #118 wrote “Be careful when you judge a person’s level of thoughtfulness on a subject that you have no idea where said person’s opinions lie. You have no clue as to the music I listen to, nor do you have a clue about how I feel about my favorite music, or whether or not I listen to it lazily.

    Until they start handing out Nobel prizes for music appreciation, I don’t think anyone should be judging what another person thinks or doesn’t think about any kind of music.

    That does it woman; you’re hired as my press agent.

    Zing Zing should be required to chant that over and over until he has it memorized.

  • Zing Zing #118…”shit like that. i’m not sure that i’m explaining myself very well.”

    No shit really?
    But you are doing it repeatedly ad finitum.

  • Chantal #116…:All I’m saying is I wouldn’t discount someone else’s musical taste just because I’m not fully aware of their level of thoughtfulness of said proclivities”

    Now why didn’t I think of that? Betcha it went right over his head though…

  • Chantal #114: you little kinky thing you, and my pirate costume is in the cleaner’s Drat!

  • Sister Ray 113… Let’s see I have many Bach recordings and I lovvvvved switched on Bach. I fell head over heals for Henry Mancini, particularly one called “Brass on Ivory” he did with Doc Severinson, I have a CD of Gregorian Chants. I also love to and organ recital called “Bach live at the Filmore” on Halloween nights. Sea Chanteys… Hmmmmmm does “Ah Colypso” by John Denver Count?

  • Chantal #112 wrote “But one man’s art is another man’s trash,” So why is she so special that she’s allowed to say that but I’m not?

    Women… and people wonder why I’m gay?

  • Chantal #110 For God’s sake someone feel Chantal’s forehead!

  • Bliffle” 108 All I did was compose a cute little article about getting embarrassed about singing Day-Lie Day-Lie my boyfriend’s back.

    The point I was TRYING to make kids is that I miss 60s and 70s music NOT that I’m putting down todays music. I miss the Mamas and the Papas and the Eagles, and the Angels, and Steppenwolf.

    Go back and read the original article, I didn’t once put today’s music down!

    Mama Mia!

  • Ruvy #106 “Rap music is basically poetry recited quickly” Exactly. It’s a recitation, not singing.

    I’d get the same reaction if I put speakers in my windows and repeatedly played the Beer Barrel Polka, as I would playing Pink Floyd.

    Maybe it’s because I’m in an Urban area.

    Who knows.

    The ethiopian stuff sounds interesting.

  • Zing #105 I’m not taking offense, it’s just that you won’t seem to let the same arguement go over and over and over and over and over…

    I’d concede your point but you’d probably argue with it.

    Alright Rap is music, it’s just not singing. IN MY OPINION

    I was referring to an era back in the 70s when you could listen to all kinds of music and it was all played on the radio.

    Now it’s not that way any more.

    I wasn’t offended….jeez

  • Mrs. Debbie #104: “boy I hate the rap days”

    Me too… Me too. I guess it’s just so hard to find new groups that play the stuff we like on the radio any more.

  • Mike,

    Continuing comments at #117.

    The first tune I became aware of with Ethiopian Jewish content was a hit tune with an Hebrew chorus and a haunting melody and Amharic words in its verses.

    I can translate the Hebrew chorus – Amharic is still beyond me, even though it is a Semitic language.

    A man sings this to a woman (from the verb structure):

    “Come, take my hand and we’ll go;
    Don’t ask me about happiness (might also be translated as wealth)
    Or when it will come.
    It will come;
    And when it comes it will descend like rain upon us.

  • So don’t go for eye surgery, then, Jet. (just kidding).

    Evidently you can still see – at least enough to complain about the arguments on your comment list…

  • Good grief! All I did was go for 5 hours of eye surgery and all hel broke loose!

  • bronzarino

    Well, Jet, maybe you’re musically obsolete… But, how relevant is that, really? If the music industry isn’t willing to court your cash, let the fools part with theirs instead (hee,hee). But really, my tastes for the last 20+ years have been somewhat outside the mainstream, so I’ve pretty well been obsolete since my teens – at least as far as the industry’s concerned (and the trendies, and the cattle, and god knows who else…). And I’d bet that lots of other people here have been, as well…

    However, it sounds like a miserable state of things, that you’d be content to retreat into the music from “your generation” alone. I mean, how much can you breathe the same air before you lose consciousness? As hard as they might be to find, there *have to be* some contemporary artists out there that are making music for *you*. I admit that I’m coming across them less frequently myself, but I do find them. As most are indie, they don’t get alot of publicity. The music blogs are a good place to look. Try the Hype Machine. Also (as Barry #70 suggested earlier), I’ve been checking out (and seriously digging) alot of stuff from well before my time (i.e. it came out way before I did!). Sure, the kids and trendies look at me kinda sideways, but ya know, screw ’em – they’re too uptight anyway. 😉

  • zingzing

    hrm. maybe i should rephrase my point as a question:

    does a person who (by their own admission) does not listen to new music have any right to judge it?

    that’s not to say that their position on the music that they DO listen to is to be judged at all. but if they do not listen to something, how can they say if it is better or worse, when they have never given it a chance?

  • There’s an infinite amount of music to listen to and a finite time in which to do it. No one has time to evaluate all music; sometimes things will slip past the radar screen of even the most insightful, open-minded person.

  • zingzing

    i’m not annoyed… damn… and i’m not judging your taste. do you see some point where i do? (i didn’t.) i just think that people should retain their curiosity for new (regardless of its era) music. don’t put words in my mouth about any individual’s taste. i’ve just seen some opinions expressed here about newer music… when they admit they stopped listen to new music years ago. that’s lazy. so there. i don’t think there is anything wrong about saying that. nor do i think i am unjustly judging anyone. notice how i didn’t mention your music taste.

  • I don’t think you’re explaining yourself very well either, because it sounds a lot like you’re just annoyed with the fact that I agreed with something Bliffle said, even though (and I think I’m right here) we both think he’s a moron. But sometimes even a moron can have a moment of clarity.

    Be careful when you judge a person’s level of thoughtfulness on a subject that you have no idea where said person’s opinions lie. You have no clue as to the music I listen to, nor do you have a clue about how I feel about my favorite music, or whether or not I listen to it lazily.

    Until they start handing out Nobel prizes for music appreciation, I don’t think anyone should be judging what another person thinks or doesn’t think about any kind of music.

  • zingzing

    chantal–no one is dimissing anything, except laziness. liking something is not a problem. not liking something, though, is an issue. no one can really say why they like something, except maybe give some vague explanation, but they can always concretely tell you why they don’t: “it’s rap,” “too loud,” “no structure…”

    shit like that. i’m not sure that i’m explaining myself very well.

  • Michael, (at comment #107)

    I doubt that the music out of Ethiopia is made by Jewish artists at all. Ethiopia is a Christian country and many Ethiopian Christians believe that the Jews in their country are direct descendents of the Jews who made the nails that killed Jesus. That gives you some of the flavor of Ethiopian Jew-hatred.

    Ethipian Jews found freedom here in Israel, and it is from here that you will find their music.

    Ethiopian Jews make music that is a combination of Israeli style music and the music they learned in Ethiopia. Ethiopian Jews have plunged into Israeli culture and adopted Hebrew, but still speak Amharic amongst themselves and with their elders. Their music is a combination of both Amharic and Hebrew with the rhythms you generally find here, but softened somewhat.

  • zing….I never said that I didn’t think about the things that I like. I’m actually a more reflective person than most, IMO. I do think about the stuff that I like, sometimes to the obsessive level.

    All I’m saying is I wouldn’t discount someone else’s musical taste just because I’m not fully aware of their level of thoughtfulness of said proclivities.

  • zingzing

    chantal–so you don’t have to think about it? i’m not saying over-analyze the thing, but music is just as much an art as anything, and deserves attention, not a head-bob and an “okay…” it’s not dumb. it should be thought about with some degree of reflection, in order for it to be totally rewarding.

    you don’t look at a van gogh, say, “yeah, i like it. it works for me,” and then move on, do you? why pay to get in the museum if it’s just a like/dislike thing? if you like it, think about it, because you’ll get more out of it. maybe you might find something you don’t like, think about it, and begin to appreciate it on a different level, thereby expanding your aesthetic bounds. challenging yourself should be manditory. (just my damn opinion.)

  • I feel bad that I don’t know any “sea chanteys”. I’ve always had a thing for pirates.

  • Hell, there’s classical, jazz, Gregorian chants, sea chanteys, whatever.

  • “music is an art form and should be appreciated as such. a nice mixture of the familiar and the unfamiliar keeps it interesting.

    I agree with that Zing…you’re totally correct.
    But one man’s art is another man’s trash, right? That’s the beauty of art, including music, it’s completely subjective, and there is something for everyone.

    I actually prefer the Indy films and Hemingway type stuff, and my musical tastes reflect that….most of the time. But I don’t think choosing what to listen to should be such a big deal. If you like something, you just like it, no matter the genre, the era or whatever.

  • zingzing

    cowards! COWARDS! (it’s just my goddamn opinion.)

  • I can’t believe it…I’m actually agreeing with Bliffle!

  • zingzing

    of course people can make that choice. if they want, they can watch a bunch of hollywood blockbusters, never bothering to watch any independent or more difficult films. they can read nothing but grisham at the expense of some hemingway. music is an art form and should be appreciated as such. a nice mixture of the familiar and the unfamiliar keeps it interesting. repeat-listening to the same music over and over kills further appreciation of the form. (it’s just a goddamn opinion).

  • Bliffle

    Sounds to me like many peoples musical choices are poorly made. Why not just listen to what sounds good on the ear? Without wordy justification? Without regard to popularity? Without regard to other peoples opinions or proclivities?

  • Wow, Ruvy. I’m a big fan of Ethiopian music, but I’ve never been much aware of whether the artists were Jewish. Does the Ethiopian Jewish community make its own style of music? I’m interested to hear it…tell me more!

  • From comment #101:

    “Rap pretty much dispenses with melodies altogether,…”

    Rap music is basically poetry recited quickly with each “stanza” enclosed by music or a chorus of some sort.

    A lot of American rap music has such negative messages to my ears, that it just isn’t worth the effort. But one Israeli hiphop group, Subliminal, has a positive message of Jewish nationalism and pride. It’s worth struggling with the Hebrew to understand it. It stands out like a diamond among all the love trash on the radio and all the American music the Israeli radios on the buses pump out.

    In a sense, Jet, coming here has allowed me to be reborn culturally. I know all the stuff the Israelis listen to that comes from America, the good stuff and the trash, both – but the music of the Ethiopian Jews, the Yemeni and Moroccan Jews is mostly new to me. And it is all reflected in the culture here. I’m older than you are Jet, and getting old is a drag, but the change of pace and place sure can keep you young for a while.

  • zingzing

    jet: “zinging #64. All right already, for God’s sake let ie go already! I’ve already stated that fact. IT’S A MATTER OF TASTE, a matter of opinion.”

    jeez. you’re really taking offense. you asked the question. i gave my opinion. no need to get all huffy. i thought the point of commenting was a discussion… which we were having until you decided to get all offended. i don’t have any clue why you decided to take offense… i made it quite clear that it was not meant to be taken that way. so there. if you can’t take it… don’t invite it.

    rap isn’t music? okay. it’s got all the elements. i think that’s a close-minded opinion, but you can have it.

    you can’t listen to a variety of music without getting embarrassed in front of your friends? well, that’s not fortunate. that would be your friends’ problem.

    should you be embarrassed about your musical taste at all? ever? hell no. …just do your own thing. you seem to have decent taste in older music… you listen to it more for comfort than for exploration, which is fine as well.

    sorry i offended you. sheesh, indeed.

  • Mrs. Debbie

    It’s not quite fair to count out the younger generation as a whole. Yes most of them like that junk however. A lot of them are very much into the classic rock stuff. I am a school bus driver of high school kids and last January I was able to see Aerosmith in concert. They all knew that I was going and the next day they asked me if the concert was any good. I said It was fantastic. Well then one 15 year old boy asked me If they sang “Dream On”. I was very surprised. That song came out in 74 I think. My answer was of course they did…and Steven Tyler nailed it!! even the high note. We have a radio on the bus and we switch, one day rap and the next day classic rock. (boy I hate the rap days)

  • John #101, That’s true, but when you grow up considering music something with a melody that you can hum, even if you don’t know all the words, I can’t consider Rap music. As I’ve said before it’s all seemed to turn into bad poetry readings over stolen music, and it all has the same message…

    I’m the baddest man in the city with the biggest gun, the most wanted cock, and the most bitches of anyone. Or I’m the hottest woman around and I can dance better than you and I know how to control my man.

    …of course that’s only my opinion.

    I did like Everlast, though I never got to hear any of his songs without bleeps until I bought the CD and made the MISTAKE of buying it at K Mart, and got the edited version, so I had to buy it again at a record store.


  • Sister Ray#101 I’ll buy that, thanks. I’ve discovered that a lot of the groups from the 90s when I stopped listening are rather good, and also discovered that artists that I loved for earlier were still recording, they just weren’t getting air play.

  • Discussion of different genres of music sometimes misses the point that it’s really all about a good song. It doesn’t matter what style of music the song is played in – if it’s a great song, it can become a classic. Most rap music and contemporary R&B doesn’t fit into that category, not because it’s not valid music on its own terms, but because it’s not melody-based. Rap pretty much dispenses with melodies altogether, and contemporary R&B does have melodies but they’re not generally the memorable kind – rather, they are very generic – the point of the music isn’t a catchy tune, it’s a sexy beat and voice.

  • Scientists say it’s much harder to learn a new musical instrument, or a new language, as an adult than as a child – maybe that has something to do with it.

    You know, though, if a particular song is new to you, it’s “new music.” You can listen to a genre you skipped over in youth.

  • Roger and Matt… Re comment 95 “Another editor obviously read and approved the article’s publication, so take issue with them instead of sending mixed messages to the writer.”

    See comment #1 That editor was none other that EO himself!

  • Ruvy #96…Damn I know my voice isn’t all that great, but I didn’t know that singing along with “the Angels” at an intersection would murder the world economy and bring Western Civilization to a grinding halt!

    As Ed Ames once sang… “My cup runneth over!”

  • Roger #95: Especially one who is still feeling his way around things like active URLs (which by the way that challenge went unanswered) and who is trying his best, despite not being an English lit. professor.

    Thanks Roger

    I’ll figure it out sooner or later.

  • El Bicho (comment #66)

    Words of wisdom – if your income isn’t disposable your economy (and increasingly mine)considers you obsolete, ergo disposable.

    The Fates of ancient Greece have been replaced by the Fates of modern America, “convenience” and “disposability.” In such a culture, history is only the history of children – those children not deemed disposable before they were born, of course – and wisdom is worthless, being the property of obsolete adults with no disposable income, who are therefore themselves disposable.

    Such a poetry of evil. Such a culture does not respect either age or wisdom and entombs both to hide the decay of life from the golden moments of the young, whose gonads pulse with energy – and who yet have disposable income.

    If you do not bow to America’s twin Fates of Evil, you are doomed and entombed and the dirt of the ages is tossed upon you – and you are forgotten as quickly as possible.

  • RogerMDillon

    “I’m just saying this article didn’t have much to it. It was vague. Nondescript.”

    You could have made the same complaint when Chelsea wrote her journal entry about dumping you.

    This type of editorial housekeeping needs to be done behind the scenes not splattered across the comments section. Another editor obviously read and approved the article’s publication, so take issue with them instead of sending mixed messages to the writer.

  • I tell ya what Suss I got a challenge for you. I put my heart and soul and a lot of substance into this one and got all of one response.

    Let’s see you readThe Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman this from end to end and comment on it if you dare…

    [You must have missed my message, from as long ago as yesterday, about active URLS, hey Jet? Comments Editor]

  • No doubt about it, I’ve got to stop smoking that stuff when I’m trying to type! I’ll just put my headphones back on and go back to listening to the doobie brothers.

  • Well Suss, you told me. Apparently I can’t write an article that’s pleas you, so I won’t try.

    I’ll try to work some sports news into the next one, maybe on the gay olympics?

    I know you’re just rrying to help, but if I can’t be me, I can’t be anyone.

  • I’m just saying this article didn’t have much to it. It was vague. Nondescript. “Every generation has their own music.” It’s been said before. What else ya got, Jet? That’s what I want to read. Not the same old cliched “My music’s not cool anymore” windowsill pining.

    And I surmise that as readers/commenters, most all would agree the article itself could have been better served with more rather than less. I suggest you read DJRadiohead’s Confessions of a Fanboy series to see how music should be written about from a personal standpoint.

    And please, don’t use the “majority = validity” defense (I thought we busted that logic together).

  • Matt #81 “I was referring to the article, which had about as much food for thought as the ingredients of a Sweet ‘N’ Low packet”

    Well Excuuuuuuuuse me! Apparently more than a few people disagree.

  • Chantal #82 Exactly, that’s how I wound up with a 600 CD jukebox. I’d order them and burn my own copies. I miss that thing so much. I had to sell it to survive my current crisis. One of the reasons I miss that music so much.

    I even started a collection of Smothers Brothers and Cosby albums. Flip Wilson too.

  • Glen #80: you’re fine man, just fine. That’s why I wrote this article in the first place.

  • Glen #79 Sorta like specializing your whole life repairing reel to reel tape decks or 8-track recorders in the age of CDs.

    I know the feeling well.

    Like remembering when a brand new car twice the size of the ones on the market now only costed around $4,500 or less in the early 70s

  • Matt #78, yes computers become obsolete too, and so do my musical tastes. When that happens you hang onto your computer as long as you can.

    It’ll happen to all of us when Window Vista comes along next spring, and we all have to buy new computers because our present ones can’t be upgraded to it without at least 1 gig of memory and a 64bit system.

    I just miss the early 70s when you could listen to a variety of music from a variety of artists, from a variety of eras and get away with it, without embarrassing yourself with your friends. Like listening to Patsy Cline, Petula Clark, Dusty Springfield, Aretha Franklin, and Led Zepplin all during the same party and not getting grief for it.

  • Glen Boyd #77, thanks so much for your input. I’d add Joe Walsh’s solo career into the trinity of your too, somehow.

  • Dave #76 Remember when Bob Welsh sang with them on “Hypnotized”?

  • Gotcha Matt.

    I certainly don’t begrudge the idea of each generation having it’s own music either. Personally I wish there was more substance in the music of the current generation. Likewise, I realize that substance can be found. It’s just a little more difficult these days, because everything comes down to corporate marketing. Music people left the party long ago. It’s all Ipods and Ringtones these days.

    I’m still waiting for some sort of outlaw, underground cultural uprising I guess.

    Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure I’ll be waiting for a while.

  • re. #75….

    Jet, CML is great, if there’s a title you want, that they don’t own, they will buy it, so you can check it out!

  • “The point is why does “50” have to mean a death sentence? The answer is it doesn’t. Not if you remain passionate and in tune.”

    I was referring to the article, which had about as much food for thought as the ingredients of a Sweet ‘N’ Low packet.

    There’s too many comments down here to wade through, so I’ll just say “I agree with them all.”

  • Turning off the “pity party” switch now FYI…

    Didn’t mean to go there. The article just really touched a nerve.


  • Of course it does Matt.

    The point is why does “50” have to mean a death sentence? The answer is it doesn’t. Not if you remain passionate and in tune.

    I think the mistake I made earlier in life was being so freaking passionate about it that I chose to make it my career.

    I probably should’ve known better. And damn am I paying for it now. Thats all I’m saying.

  • Every generation has their own music? Golly, what a revelation!

    Do computers change too?

    (Lies on belly, puts fists under chin, looks up anxiously anticipates answer)

  • I feel ya Jet. I really do.

    I’m going to be 50 years old in about ten days, and let me tell ya…it’s even worse for a guy like me.

    You see, I actually made my living in the music business. I started pretty much straight out of high school, and I stayed there for about 30 years. It was pretty much all I knew…I lived, ate, breathed, and shit music.

    Still do. I just don’t make money doing it anymore.

    I’m not sure exactly when and how it happened, but there came a point about 10 years or so ago when it was just all over. Bam! Thats it. Done.

    Right now, I’m unemployed and in addition to having the 50 something strike against me, I’ve got the music thing haunting me as well.

    How do you answer the question I constantly get right now? “So why don’t you just go back into music? Don’t you miss that? Why’d you get out?”

    Basically “WTF happened?”

    What I’ve learned is I’m basically too old and too over-qualified outside of the music field. And since I never became Clive Davis or somebody like that within it, I’m pretty much considered a fossil of sorts there.

    Which is fair enough, since I really have little interest in this weeks American Idol karaoke star or whatever pop diva or gangsta rapper passes as today’s flavor of the minute.

    But I do miss it.

    And despite what folks who’ve read my output here on Blogcritics may think…my current musical passions do extend beyond Springsteen, Dylan, and Neil Young (though I admit those three are kind of like my little “holy trinity”).

    I do listen to and keep up with the current stuff. I absolutely love Radiohead for example…although I am not sure you could even really call Radiohead “current” anymore. I like Wilco, the Flaming Lips, and even (guilty pleasure alert) Coldplay a lot as well.

    The point is I’m not just some old Homer Simpson type guy whose musical heart stopped beating somewhere around the time of Steve Miller singing about “some people call me the Space Cowboy…”

    Although I know guys like that. Quite a few of them actually.

    Anyway, sorry I’ve rambled on this long. But your article really touched a nerve Mr. Jet.

    I can relate my brother.

    Believe me, I can relate.

    Good stuff Jet.


  • Dave

    Jet, I’m half a decade younger than you and I remember when Fleetwood Mac didn’t have any female pop singers in it.

  • Ladydoodle #72 If you can’t find what you miss, try the local county library. Here in Columbus, you can browse on line for a title you’re convinced you’ll never find, like Lorne Greene singing “Ringo” and you’d be amazed.

    Here they’ll even ship it from an outlying branch to wherever you want to pick it up!

  • Guppus#71 Okay, I’ll check them out.

  • Barry #70 much as I hate to admit this, I got hooked on Henry Mancini for a while after the “theme from Romeo and Juliet” came out, and then there was the Theme to “The Pink Panther”

  • ladydoodles56

    you are really right jett,its hell gettin old, no one gives a dang what kind of music we like, the teens get their money from us to but the crap they listen to today, i used to be a d.j and listen to all the donna’s and southern rock, then i moved on to good music like merle haggard and george strait, but they try hard not to play anything but bubblegum music on radio, therefore i quit listening and buying what i want.

  • Guppusmaximus

    Ya know, I remember someone telling me quite sometime ago that I would grow out of Metal… Unfortunately,I did get rid of alot of my old tapes to follow the trend but now I am back to where I was when I was 16…. Thrashing out to newer speedy metal bands that f*cking rock!! So J.I.C. enjoy the memories from your youth because you may stumble upon some new bands that rehash the brilliance of the music you grew up with… In my opinion, NOTHING will ever surpass ELVIS!! The man had a voice endowed from GOD!! BUT, try listening to some Augury,Neuraxis,ARSIS,Strapping Young Lad,Darkane and much more!!

  • I’m OK with being too old for today’s music – why should any 20 year old have something in his or her head that could edify a 47 year old? At the same time, my own era’s music – now killed by the corporate powers – is boring … for many of the same reasons. Luckily, there’s BEFORE to explore – Bing Crosby, 101 Strings, early Guy Lombardo, good music, man.

  • I think I’d like to see an article by Eric Olsen on the percentage of people that comment on the article, versus the percentage of those that only comment on the comments on the article without actually reading the article.


  • El Bicho#66 and the vast majority of them weren’t. They were written by very talented, very gifted artist whose work has now been discarded like an old used paper towel.

    I miss those days. I’m allowed to miss those days.

  • zinging #64. All right already, for God’s sake let ie go already! I’ve already stated that fact. IT’S A MATTER OF TASTE, a matter of opinion.


  • Interesting piece, but it’s too narrow. As we grow older we grow obsolete in every area not just music. Except for politicians, no one cares what anyone over 35 thinks (sorry to burst the bubble of some around here). You are no longer the key demographic. Your income isn’t disposable.

    In regards to sampling, it is too obvious, but I guarantee your favorite band stole licks from someone else. The guitar has a finite number of strings, so it’s all been played before. Good example, I discovered a drumline in a Bauhaus song was lifted from a Jobim bossa nova.

    There is good music out there, but you have to look for it because the gatekeepers don’t make it easy. Or else you become your parents.

    “About 10 years ago I remember explaining to a kid that Paul McCartney was more famous as a Beatle than as member of Wings”

    Other than Stella Mccartney, what kid in the late ’90s knew what Wings was?

    Have to vote with Beatles post Dylan smokeout. They evolved from musicians to artists. I enjoy most of their covers by the original artists although “Twist & Shout” certianly rises above.

  • It’s not like the best songs of the Oldies weren’t also “stolen”, though.

    Aretha Franklin’s “I Say A Little Prayer” comes to mind.

  • zingzing

    “How much of today’s music will be able to make the same claim 40 years from now?”

    i’d say that plenty will. because people will develop memories like yours. i’m not judging your taste, i’m just saying that yes, you have become obsolete in today’s musical climate. you asked the question, so please don’t get offended.

    i mean, come on, if you want to quote the temptations as some big revelation, go and get the new springsteen. those songs are 60-450 years old and they still stand up. it’s no thing.

    i just think there is something to be said for new music. quite a bit. human emotion and turmoil never change. go look up the microphones.

  • As for the relevance argument try this from about 40 years ago by the Temptations…

    People moving out,
    people moving in. Why,
    because of the color of their skin.
    Run, run, run but you sure can’t hide.

    An eye for an eye,
    a tooth for a tooth.
    Vote for me and I’ll set you free.
    Rap on, brother, rap on.

    Well, the only person talking about love thy brother is the preacher
    And it seems nobody’s interested in learning but the teacher.

    Segregation, determination, demonstration, integration, Aggravation, humiliation,
    obligation to our nation.

    Ball of confusion. Oh yeah, that’s what the world is today. Woo, hey, hey.

    The sale of pills are at an all time high.
    Young folks walking round with their heads in the sky.
    The cities ablaze in the summer time.
    And oh, the beat goes on.

    Evolution, revolution, gun control, sound of soul.
    Shooting rockets to the moon, kids growing up too soon.
    Politicians say more taxes will solve everything.
    And the band played on.

    So, round and around and around we go.
    Where the world’s headed, nobody knows.

    Oh, great GoogaMooga,
    can’t you hear me talking to you.
    Just a ball of confusion.
    Oh yeah, that’s what the world is today.
    Woo, hey, hey.

    Fear in the air, tension everywhere.
    Unemployment rising fast,
    the Beatles new record’s a gas.
    And the only safe place to live is on an Indian reservation.
    And the band played on.

    Eve of destruction, tax deduction, city inspectors, bill collectors,
    Mod clothes in demand,
    population out of hand,
    suicide, too many bills,
    Hippies moving to the hills.
    People all over the world are shouting,
    ‘End the war.’

    And the band played on.

    Great GoogaMooga,
    can’t you hear me talking to you.

    Sayin’… ball of confusion.

    And mind you this song is over 40 years old. How much of today’s music will be able to make the same claim 40 years from now?

  • Zing #61 yes you’re right because it doesn’t have the feel and the memories attached to it that today’s stuff does.

    and I’ll keep repeating that over and over and over and over and over and over…

    It’s a matter of personal tastes, not based on anything but opinion. It’s like comparing rap to polka. Like comparing the Eagles to Aerosmith. Like comparing Aretha Franklin to Whitless, excuse me Whitney Houston.


  • zingzing

    based on some of your statements, and i mean nothing personal with this, to answer your question: yes, you have become musically obsolete. you stopped exploring new music long ago, and have retreated into your past. meh.

  • Ruby #57 Thanks to you I can’t stop humming “This diamond ring doesn’t shine for me anymore
    And this diamond ring doesn’t mean what it meant before, So if you’ve got someone whose love is tru-u-ue Let it shine for yo-ou-ou

    Thanks a lot.

  • zingzing

    j.i.c.–“Mark #49 and [“welcome to the terrordome’] probably would’ve been a hell of a lot better had they been talented enough to play their stew themselves instead of copying someone else’s homework.”

    i sincerely doubt it. the sound of the song is something that NO ONE could ever play, impossible without hundreds and hundreds of overdubs, impossible switches in time, tape manipulation, etc. the possibilities of sampling far outstrip the ability of human fingers,etc and there is no way that this music could have been made any other way. it is impossible. dude, you need to hear this before you make statements like this. it’s probably got 20 or 30 different james brown records all going at once, played backwards, destroyed, cut up and eaten, slowed, sped, dragged and exploded into something entirely different. it’s an absolutely amazing song that has no “real world” counterpart.

  • Vern Halen #51… Unless I’m wrong the best selling album/CD of all time is The Eagles’ greatest Hits. I think that Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” may have eclipsed it, but I’m not sure.

    In any case the music of the Eagles is just as relevant and good today as it ever was, and they didn’t sample anyone else’s music to become a success.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jet, if it makes you feel any better, Gary Louis is probably around 60 now, and unless he is popping Viagra, is beyond his “Playboy” days.

    I’m not even sure that James Brown, The Temptations, or Aretha Franklin are even alive.

    Heck, the writer of one of my favorite songs, “Jerusalem of Gold” died not too long ago.

  • zing #50… Finally some suggestions I’ll look into, thank you, HOWEVER I will disagree on one point…“i don’t mean to take you to task, but you seem to think that, to put it harshly, not only was the music better years ago (which it wasn’t), but that music listeners were better years ago …”

    It all subjective and opinion. I believe it’s better because it’s what I grew up with, and for no other reason.

    Dusty Springfield can sing better than anyone today, I loved the Pet Shop Boys. The Alan Parson’s Project writes better head music than anyone except maybe Pink Floyd and early Genesis. It’s all opinion and nothing more than that

    Sorry if that doesn’t make sense to people.

  • Mark #49 and probably would’ve been a hell of a lot better had they been talented enough to play their stew themselves instead of copying someone else’s homework.

    There are famous examples from the past of unintentional plagarism like George Harrison’s “My Sweet Lord” went to court because it was based on “He’s so fine, do-lang do-lang do-lang” and more recently The Rolling Stone’s “Has anybody seen my baby” which was a rip off of KD Langs’ “Constant Craving” but in both those cases they were unintentional stealing. Rappers are doing it intentionally because they’re not talented enough to do it themselves.

    Now that’s not lumping every rapper into the same pile I happen to consider Everlasts’ “Ends” one of my favorite songs.

    … but that’s only my opinion

  • Thanks Zing, I’ve been enduring the embarrassment of receiving junkmail from AARP since my 50th birthday, you will too.

    I’m talking about preferring the music I grew up with, which isn’t a discussion of today’s music, as much as it’s a discussion of being put down for like it in public.

    As for James Brown, I honestly never liked him. I was more into The Temptations, Aretha Franklin, and the O’Jays and like that.

  • Excuse me that Gary Lewis and the Playboys…

  • Ruvy #47 I was seven at the time, and I also have the vinal album by Jerry Lewis and the Playboys.

    And it is indeed “a drag getting old”…

  • Vern Halen

    I’d be curious to know just how relevant or irrelevant the music of 20 – 30 years ago really is (or isn’t) today. For example, take music from let’s say 1970 – 1980; that music continues to generate sales figures, but are they a significant percentage of the entire market? I myself don’t remember buying a lot of old classics (by Jerry Lee, Elvis, et.al.) back when Zep was contemporary the way kids by Zep, Pink Floyd, ACDC et al. now.

    Will the latest albums by Beonce or Black Eyed Peas or (your choice here) occupy the same places 30 years hence that Pink Floyd does now?

  • zingzing

    oh lord
    j.i.c.- “there are kids nowadays that think that Marky Wrote [walk on the wild side]”

    and there are those who don’t connect mark walburg to marky mark. it’s ignorance, nothing else.

    i don’t mean to take you to task, but you seem to think that, to put it harshly, not only was the music better years ago (which it wasn’t), but that music listeners were better years ago (nonono). things have changed (as usual), but what you seemed to have missed is the explosion of the underground. sure, there are idiots who only listen to radio. they were around when you were growing up as well. but, amongst people who actually LISTEN to music, there is a massive world out there that radio never touches. and it thrives because some one listens to it. guess what? it’s the kids. the young folk. and those artists are very careful to try and lead their audiences back toward their sources. ever heard of wolf eyes? maybe… but have you heard of smegma (not the nasty stuff, but the band)? probably not. massacre? john zorn? maybe again… maybe not… have you heard of coltrane!? yes! from there, i wandered back toward early 20th century polyphonic new orleans jazz, and taking another path off of smegma, i arrived at john cage, alvin lucier and steve reich. i walked the path backwards towards the sources, because wolf eyes referenced smegma referenced massacre and zorn referenced coltrane. and smegma referenced reich and lucier, who referenced cage, who, as you know, has plenty of influences of his own. only they are french and hard to find. one album opened up a world of hundreds. neat, huh?

  • dunnok zing. it is a freaking boiling stew of samples, that’s for sure.

  • zingzing

    j.i.c.– “Nowadays, it’s all what’s happening 10 minutes ago, not ten years ago.”

    if you really think that, then you really have become obsolete. there are those (and plenty of them, and plenty of them are young) who listen to music from all sorts of genres and eras. this quote is the first time you have really shown your age. list off artists all you want, i’m half your age and i know them all. but when you basically say, “kids these days! …can’t understand them…” that’s when you sign up for aarp membership.

    mark s.–and nearly every sample in “terrordome” is james brown. damn straight. how the hell did they do that?

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jet, you’re justa kid. I remember watching the Beatles perform on Ed Sullivan and going to Miami Beach looking for a way to get into the club where Jerry Louis’s little boy was playing “This Diamond Ring.”

    Gettin’ old is a drag.

  • jet, i didn’t say that i didn’t believe in my convictions, i said that i didn’t have the time (dang, if only i could get paid for writing comments!)

    seriously though, zing brought up Public Enemy’s “Welcome To The Terrordome”. a perfect example. aboslutely dense with samples…winding up being a completely original thing.

  • Sister Ray#45 and there are kids nowadays that think that Marky Wrote that!

  • Mark 41: That’s not fair, I was expressing my opinion based on what I’ve seen, and asked you to help me change it. I’m sorry you don’t believe in your own convictions enought to take the time…

  • Democracy will actually come to China before that album comes out.

    OMG, Jet, you reminded me of Marky Mark’s “Walk On The Wild Side.”! I just thought “huh?” when I saw it on MTV.

  • Arch, I finally intentionally wrote something I thought you might agree with and you’re nowhere to be found

    I’m very disappointed. 🙁

  • you say it’s “bad poetry over stolen music” and you want me to waste time coming up with examples?

    sorry, life’s too short!

  • Mark #37 DON’T EVER SAY THAT. My mind is very changable. To quote me “You never learn anything if you always agree with everything.”

    Give me some stuff to listen to, that’ll change my mind. I’m open to it, and I do appreciate your taking the time to express yourself here.

    The last rapper I liked was tone loc because he made me laugh.


  • Duane #30 True, but it’s not singing, it’s just bad poetry reading over stolen music.

  • bronzarino#32: My point exactly. Back in the 70s you could play stuff from the 50s for friends and not be put down for it. Back then it didn’t matter what you liked. Nowadays, it’s all what’s happening 10 minutes ago, not ten years ago.

    Back in the 70s I could be publicly proud of having a record collection that included Elvis, or Little Richard, or even Dusty Springfield. Now it seems like everything older than a few years (if that) has to be discarded out of embarrassment, and no one wants to acknowledge that all that sampling has a source that is decades old from stuff that’d be considered classic if they’d just give the originals a chance!

    When was the last time you heard a DJ declare “Here’s an oldie but a goodie!” for something more than two years old?

  • oh, i had no intention of trying to change your mind.

  • Mark #33 we’re talking about a matter of personal taste here, which means arguing about it is pretty futile.

    The gist of my article is how old I feel and how others perceive me while trying to publically listen to the music I love from days gone by, not what I think of today’s music!”

  • zingzing

    i second mark. there is good rap. if all you hear is what is on the radio, how do you expect to hear good stuff? that’s like saying there is no good rock music anymore because there’s nothing good on the radio. or like saying dinosaurs don’t exist because they aren’t grazing on your lawn. it’s a foolish idea.

  • zingzing

    j.i.c.– ever heard the beastie boy’s “paul’s boutique?” or public enemy’s “welcome to the terrordome?” that’s some good sampling, where not one bit of the actual music is original, yet the result is 100% original (and amazing).

    i dunno about the “doing you own material=creating” argument. what about the beatles’ version of “twist and shout?” my god. that’s one of their greatest (“help” being my favorite… closely followed by “happiness is a warm gun” among others…)! i don’t think they necessarily became “better” or “greater.” it’s almost two different aesthetics at work. (is “pet sounds” better than “i get around,” to use the beach boys? not really, i say. just different.) certainly, their later material is more important, influential, even impressive (all good things–that’s not a knock on it; there is not much music out there that is “so inspired”). but, it’s not always as much fun. it doesn’t always rock the way the early barn-burners did. i’m a big fan of the early stuff… as you can tell. but, it doesn’t mean i don’t appreciate the later stuff for the same reasons you give.

  • i honestly don’t have time for this argument right now, but i’ll again state that there’s a lot of good hip hop out there….and while it is easy to put some of it together, the idea that “most” of these folks don’t know what they’re doing is really too easy and simplistic.

  • bronzarino

    Yeah, Mark(15) and Jet(16), I was just talking about this the other day. I had a much better knowledge of older music in my teens than kids seem to have today. Though, I’ll admit that the origin of a few covers *did* totally escape me -like, “Venus” by the Shocking Blue, or “Spirit in the Sky” by Norman Greenbaum. Just never heard the originals before I heard their then-contemporary covers (or, at least didn’t remember them) – so I guess I should cut some slack somewhere…

    Gotta admit, though, it still kinda irks me that today’s kids have such a high opinion of today’s radio crap, without being particularly knowledgeable about much else. Not that it would make a difference, though… I remember when I was 13, that keeping current played huge in keeping credibility, and that even 2 years seemed like a *long* time ago.

  • Mark #28: Commercial radio, don’t even get me started! Good music where people actually sing and Play died when commercial radio decided to go exclusively rap and hip hop.

    Kids today listen to that crap because that’s all that’s out there, and they need something to make the bolts in their trunk lids rattle.

    I wish I could afford satelite radio, where you pick the genre and go. One of the reasons I burn my own CDs to listen to in the car is because I can’t find a station to listen to that I like any more.

    The shame of that is that I miss out on a lot of good music I’d probably like, because the main stream stations don’t play it when it first comes out, you have to wait for the light rock stations to play it years later.

  • Duane

    Part of the problem (and only part) with modern pop music is that it is very easy to make these days. Anyone can buy a couple of software packages for their home computer, copy a couple of loops into your arranger window, add some software rhythm tracks, sing into a microphone, double track it, harmonize it, reverb it, pan it, and there you go. Burn it to a CD, put up your website with MP3 downloads, and you’re a musician. Transposition can be dome with a mouse click. Syncopation costs you a software add-on for $150. You don’t have to know why an A minor sounds good with a G major 7. It’s all there for you to copy and paste. This might be an offshoot of the rise of sampling in rap music. Also analogous to the explosion in the number of budding authors following the advent of home computers and word processors, except there, you still have to be in command of the language and have some ideas, plagiarism notwithstanding.

  • You mean like when Marky Mark used “Take a walk on the wild side” even having some guy pretend to play a sax at the end of the video?

    All The Beatles tunes from beginning to end are great, no dispute, I’m talking about how much greater they became once they had the freedom to write their own material vs performing someone elses.

    Doing over somone else’s work, no matter how well you do it is just Performing. Doing your own material and doing it well, that creating.

  • hip hop: i actually thinks there’s a lot of good stuff out there, just not what gets played on commercial radio.

  • zingzing

    yeah, but you’re not representative of your generation at all. and if you think that only their later stuff counts, not only are you more like today’s youth, you’re also wrong. that early shit was hot! come on now… i used to think the same way, but i learned to appreciate the early stuff as some of the best rock n roll ever made. (and who has been unclear about the fact that they are doing a cover recently? that gets you in quite a bit of legal trouble these days… sure, there’s the puff daddy school of “sampling,” but he’s not representative of shit… he’s a hack.)

  • Zingzing #23, actually (or unfortunately) I do as John Lennon was obsessed with early black rock and roll from the 50s. That was their early stuff, its what they wrote later themselves that counts. Also they were honest enough to come right out and say that they were covers, or as Paul put it “tributes”.

    The Dave Clark Five did the same thing.

  • Mark 22: I wonder if he still looks good without his shirt on, and if his tatoos are still spelled right?

  • Sister Ray, try this one, I had another moment yesterday morning singing along in falsetto with Aretha Franklin’s “Respect”

    God I am old aren’t I?

  • zingzing

    oh, bah. if kids think “that music started with joy division” (and i don’t think that all that many “kids” know who joy division were), then they are just ignorant. it’s not some sign of the times. it’s just good old inexperience. if they’re really interested, they’ll come around. i doubt a bunch of you old fogies had any idea who wrote all those covers on the early beatles LPs. be honest.

  • i read yet another blurb in the newspaper this morning where axl was sayin’ that Chinese Democracy will be coming out this fall.

    gee, i can hardly wait.

  • I was surprsied at the number of teen girls on the Axl Rose birthday thread. He was hot in his day, but that day was more than 10 years ago.

    My oldster moment came when the movie “Sweet Home Alabama” was out a couple of years ago. Some women in my office were talking about it, and thought there was some song or something with that name, but they weren’t sure.

  • IRON MAIDEN!!!!! I knew there was somone I forgot to mention. Them and Hall of the Crimson King.

  • Guppusmaximus

    I agree with you 100% Rob… The prog rock from the 70’s was phenomonal and even the releases in the 80’s from bands like YES & Rush were very influential to my musical abilities. My idols started in the 70’s…IRON MAIDEN!! Talk about pioneering metal. But, at the same time, there is so much sh!t that makes the airwaves in this country nowadays that it makes me sick. Let’s not discuss the American Metal Scene..*ugh* Don’t even get me started about Hip Hop….LOL!!

  • Mark 15: You’re right if it’s more than 6 months old it’s “old News”. When was the last time you found yourself humming a rapp tune?

  • Rob 14: I agree but I just can’t find a way to wrap my head around what amounts to bad poetry readings done to sampled music from the 70s. I’m sure the message is there, but couldn’t they be tallented enough to write their own music to it instead of bastardizing my favorite childhood memories?

  • Done before? “Big Yellow Taxi” done by Joanie Mitchell in 1970 showing up as a Counting Crows song.

    “Live and Let Die” a song as famous as a James Bond movie theme, that today’s kids think that Axl Rose wrote???

    It sucks that no credit is given or even acknowledged that the originals done decades ago were better!

  • you know what does seem different today? maybe i’m getting my timespans wrong but i remember in the late seventies being aware of music that was ten years old or older. today it seems like kids in that age group are much more focused on very current things.

    …though this may be completely wrong…maybe it’s just my stepkids and their circle of friends.

  • rob

    Sorry Guppus, I didn’t mean that today’s music isn’t relevant. It is, very much so. I guess what I was getting at was that yesterday’s music has evolved into what the kids listen to and love today. There’s a lot of great stuff going on out there today, but there was some great stuff written in the past too.

  • Guppusmaximus

    Rob, I can understand the sentiment about “It’s all been done before” and that may be true for the shock value but I don’t think Alice Cooper or Ozzy ever dreamed of producing music like the bands: Death,Neuraxis,Between The Buried and Me does(to name a few). I guess I can get caught in the middle of this debate because as much as I agree with Jet and I do appreciate the classics(Ozzy,Moody Blues,etc) I can’t stand that statement,”It’s all been done before”!! That just shows a lack of musicianship and if everybody thought that way we wouldn’t have the pioneering work from a band called Opeth who pretty much fused Pink Floyd and Death Metal…

  • Uh Christopher Rose?… To Quote Megan’s comment just posted on another article… “Actually, indie kids don’t listen to the Rolling Stones. Music began with the creation of Joy Division remember?
    Before then it was just wolves, plagues, and banjos.”

    So true… sniff so true

  • Come to think of it, I can’t remember ever seeing some teen lately in a Pink Floyd t-shirt saying “Farfuckinoutman!”

  • Chriss#8 I knew you’d be the contrary one. However I don’t think we’ll see starcrossed and crazed teens on this article screaming PAUL IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTE!

    do you?

  • Rob #7, Me too… Ah I miss the good ‘ol days.

  • It’s not completely true, Jet. There are still teenagers listening to Pink Floyd and even The Beatles…

  • rob

    My 13 yr old neice says that I don’t like her music because it scares me, because it’s heavy and the vocalists sing in a low growl. I told her I’ve seen Ozzy bite the head off chickens and bats, Alice Cooper beheaded, Gene Simmons spit blood all over the stage, AC/DC in their heyday and have been bruised in a mosh pit. It’s all been done before!

  • Do you realize that most people under 20 have no idea who those people in the album ads under my article are!?!?!

  • Thanks Guppusma: What’s worse is when you hear some Rab song that’s using a riff from a song you loved thirty years ago, or the kids nowadays don’t know that “Big Yellow Taxi” was originally recorded 36 YEARS AGO!!


  • Guppusmaximus

    Amen Jet…. I’m only 31 and I love most of the music in the grocery store compared to the radio or tv. “Nights in White Satin” is a kick a$$ song anyways! Most of these untalented hacks couldn’t write a song like that even with their multi-platinum writing teams.Anyways,*off the soapbox* I remember 33 1/3 because my dad was a radio dj. Granted, I love “The Divison Bell” but if I heard you cranking “DSOTM” I would give you thumbs up…

  • Thanks JP: What kills me is that some of my favorite songs are now commercial jingles too!

  • JP

    Don’t worry, Jet, there are many of us out here. I’m 35 and I find myself saying “I can’t believe what those kids are listening to!” far earlier than I expected.

  • Thanks Eric!