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Israeli Nukes Can Obliterate Iran

I received an e-mail recently from the Israeli newspaper Haaretz with the subject line: Stand up to — Iran's President — Ahmadinejad. Inside was a picture of an exuberant Ahmadinejad and the punch line: “We cannot live with a nuclear Iran.” The banner was linked to a two minute video by Aish.com.

This, in turn, is really a slideshow starting with a picture of Adolf Hitler. Followed by a gruesome picture of undernourished adult males in what I assume is a liberated concentration camp. The narrator says: "Imagine. you could have stopped Hitler in 1938." Showing Ahmadinejad above the quote: Israel must be wiped off the map, the narrator announces: "Today a new Hitler is on the world stage calling for the destruction of the state of Israel." The narrator falls silent for the display of two more pictures of Ahmadinejad above the quotes: "The Zionist regime is a dried up and rotten tree which will be annihilated with one storm." And: "The elimination of the Zionist regime will be smooth and simple."

The first quote about wiping out Israel is a matter of international debate. Some analysts say Ahmadinejad never made such a statement, and that it is an intentional mistranslation by Israel or their supporters to overstate the danger from Iran. If they are right and only the latter two quotes can be accredited to Ahmadinejad, he is not alone in wanting Zionism to be eliminated, which doesn't necessarily mean exterminating Jews or obliterating Israel. In my recent interview with Israeli author and academic Ilan Pape, he said: "Israel has to be de-Zionised to a point before any genuine reconciliation can be attempted." He was talking about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Whether Ahmadinejad said "Israel must be wiped off the map" or not, the comparison to Hitler and the Holocaust is a blatant misrepresentation of one of the world's most horrific acts. In 1938 the world was a different place, not least in the perception of Jews. in the 30s was an era when stereotypes were treated as fact and taught to children. Discrimination was accepted, in some cases even expected of people. Jews were stereotypically evil, greedy and devious – and persecuted because of it.

When Hitler's views began emerging, entrenched stereotypes made them indifferent, and even those who didn’t hate Jews. In short, the Jews had no friends in the world capable of or willing to stop Hitler. Today the situation is very different.

The Holocaust was a horrific and tragic occurrence. The world did not even attempt to stop it pre-emptively. However, the world's postwar guilt led, even if only indirectly, to the partitioning of Palestine for a Jewish homeland.  

Second Holocaust Foiled

In its infancy, Israel faced threats from Arab countries surrounding it, who really did want to carry out a second holocaust, and who wanted to wipe Israel off the map. As Egypt's President announced before the Sinai war: "Egypt has decided to dispatch her heroes, the disciples of pharaoh and the sons of Islam and they will cleanse the Land of Israel….There will be no peace on Israel's border because we demand vengeance, and vengeance is Israel's death."  The U.S.  began supporting Israel militarily in the 60s and rescued Israel from the brink of defeat by airlifting military supplies during the Yom Kippur war: the aggressors Egypt and other neighboring Arab states learned that the U.S. wasn't going to let Israel be defeated. Since then, Israel faces only a very small threat from neighboring countries, and some have signed peace accords. The others are reduced to funding internal resistance groups against Israel's occupation, none of which are anywhere near capable of wiping Israel off the map.

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  • Arch Conservative

    Why are people going to such great lengths to deny what Ahmadinejad said about Israel?

    Valentine’s Day is tomorrow, I wonder who moonbat and Liam will ask to be their valentine? Hammas? Hezbollah? Al queda?

  • Clavos

    Liam #49:

    OK, here are some more sources:

    The Telegraph, UK

    International Herald Tribune

    Aljazeera

    Only three links can be posted per comment, but there are MANY more available…

  • MAOZ

    Wow.

    #24, quote, “Israel should not be allowed to continue as a nation….” unquote.

    Wow.

    Quote: “A Song, a Psalm of Asaf: G^d, do not hold Yourself silent, be not deaf, and be not still, G^d. For behold, Your foes are in an uproar, and those who hate You have raised their head. Against your nation they plot deviously, they take counsel against those sheltered by You. They said, ‘Come, let us cut them off from nationhood, so Israel’s name will be remembered no more.’ …” Unquote. (Psalm 83)

  • Arch Conservative

    According to Liam Fox News and CNN are nothing but proganda machines for the USA and Isreal but a far left antiwar website is a completely objective and rational source of inromation.

    Liam….do me a favor pal….no more bong hits 4 hours prior to posting OK?

  • moonraven

    Ruvy,

    When I mentioned that we as a species had worn out our welcome, I believe that would logically include the “community of nations”. I would, however, like to see a last gasp of justice in the form of the de-countrification of Israel.

    As for whether or not the President of Iran said that Israel should be “wiped off the map” or “erased from the community of nations”, I doubt seriously that CNN has a) a gaggle of Farsi(Persa) speaking translators and b) the least inclination to present Iran’s president as anything other than an Iranian Hitler.

    I do not speak Farsi, either. However, 6 weeks ago (considerably after the speech in question) I returned from living for several months, again, in Bahrain–where there are many Iranians given that Iran is right on the other side of the Gulf. Many of those Iranians are very anti-Israel. Whereas they indicated that in his shoes they would have said the first version, Wipe Israel–but that he had actually said the second version–Erase Israel from the community of nations.

    It doesn’t matter, really, as Israel has made plenty of threats against Iran that were not open to such hair-splitting translation issues.

    The BBC did cover his suggestion about putting Israel in Europe:

    “Iran’s conservative president has said that Israel should be moved to Europe.
    “If European countries claim that they have killed Jews in World War II… why don’t they provide the Zionist regime with a piece of Europe,” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told Iranian television.

    “Germany and Austria can provide the… regime with two or three provinces for this regime to establish itself, and the issue will be resolved.”

    Not as good as putting it in Yrkshire, but a pretty good idea about the Wages of Guilt–and some of us do appreciate the black humor….

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Marthe,

    MAOZ has characterized your words with stunning accuracy.

    Let’s look at his quote from Psalm 83 again.

    “A Song, a Psalm of Asaf: G^d, do not hold Yourself silent, be not deaf, and be not still, G^d. For behold, Your foes are in an uproar, and those who hate You have raised their head. Against your nation they plot deviously, they take counsel against those sheltered by You. They said, ‘Come, let us cut them off from nationhood, so Israel’s name will be remembered no more.’ …”

    Arabs know King David as el Khalif Daoud el Nebi – a prophet. And now let’s look at David’s request, further on down in the Psalm,

    “O my G-d, make them like whirling chaff, like stubble before the wind; like a fire burning the forest, like a flame that sets mountains ablaze. So pursue them with Your tempest and terrify them with Your storm. Fill their faces with shame, then they will seek Your Name, Hashem. Let them be shamed and terrified forever, then they will be disgraced and they will perish. Then they will know that You – whose Name is Hashem – are alone, Most High over all the earth.”
    [Psalm 83, Book of Tehillim]

    Amen.

  • Liam Bailey

    If you bothered to do a little research you would know that Antiwar is run by the Carnegie Endownment for Peace. A well respected research group. Being against war, especially like the Iraq war which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead and displaced civilians and for what. Name one good thing the Iraq war has achieved apart from the removal of Saddam Hussein. Since people are saying conditions are worse than under Saddam that achievment has been well and truly cancelled out by the vaccuum of violence, destruction and misery Iraq has become. Make no mistake if Bush takes us to war with Iran it will be a catastrophic chain reaction of unintended consequences and I don’t know where it will end. I’ll say it again, being against the Bush Administration war machine rollercoaster is a wholy sensible position to take with the array of WMD’s the U.S and its right arm of Israel have at their disposal.

    Fox News, CNN, and the Times and many other mianstream papers and TV news stations are a product of capitalism seeking to control the government, firstly through the media, and shielding bad press from its investments and in some cases even tarnishing the opposition. With this media control at such levels globally the rising number of Alternative news sites is quickly becoming the best way to find valid information. FYI Antiwar publishes links, submitted by the user from most Mainstreamn media sites. To give a b alanced and fair output.

  • moonraven

    Ruvy,

    Unfortunately, it just shows how long folks have held an image of you as troublemakers, big time.

    If that image bothers you, changing it wouldn’t be such a bad idea.

    There are limits to what the market will bear.

    I, for example, am a troublemaker–but very “little time”–so far I have only protested against genocide; I have not committed it.

  • mary r

    CNN does have a Farsi speaking journalist, ever heard of Christiane Amapour, Persian. I also know some Persian jews so I can tell you first hand he did indeed threated to wipe Isreal off the map. I do question your bias as writer since you work for Palistinians, how could you not help but spread their propaganda. I’m sorry for you Iran isnt just a threat to Isreal its a threat to the world including the Iranian people, I’m just not sure what motivates you in twisting the truth.

  • http://warpages-leejay.blogspot.com Liam Bailey

    Ahmadinejad is not the main man in IRan, so whether or not he said that is irrel;evant, he is no where near having the means to achieve it. Even if Iran do get the bomb, if they launch so much as one missile in the direction of Israel between Israel and the U.S. Iran would certainly be wiped off the map. Do you honestly think patriotic Ahmadinejad and Khomeini would risk that? Come on.

    And who are you to say I work for the Arabs and am spreading their propaganda, all you are doing is regurgitating the lies.