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In reading coverage of the National Tea Party Convention in Nashville I have to wonder if this might be the final nail in the coffin of the Tea Party movement. There's still a lot of legitimate anger and grassroots protest out there, but this event is such a charade and so fundamentally antithetical to the spirit of the Tea Party protests that it's going to leave a lot of people discouraged and disenchanted and feeling betrayed.

The problems with the National Tea Party Convention are many, but three stand out:

  • It represents only one tea party group and most of the others, including organizers of the most successful tea party protests, smelled a rat and chose not to participate. The organizers seem like opportunists trying to cash in on the Tea Party phenomenon.
  • It's being run purely for profit, by a corporation created for that purpose and pulling out all the stops to make money, from a huge price to attend to massive merchandising of high priced T-shirts and trinkets. It's more like a Star Trek convention than a political event, except that attendance is much lower and fewer people are in costume.
  • It seems to have been taken over by one particular hardcore, right wing ideology, with Sarah Palin headlining and with many of the more mainstream conservative and libertarian speakers who were scheduled to attend canceling because they were uncomfortable with the environment.
  • The net result of this is a very limited scope to the convention and a very specialized audience. With a cost of $549 for full admission and the additional costs of travel and lodging, the young students and hard-working people who made up the crowds at authentic protests this past year mostly can't afford to attend.

    Mainstream Republicans turned against the event and attempted to distance themselves, with Representatives Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) and Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) bowing out as guests on short notice because of concern over the corporate, for-profit status of the event and the backlash against it among the grassroots voters with whom they have become very popular for their outspoken criticism of the Obama administration.

    Other legitimate grassroots groups involved in the Tea Parties are either ignoring the convention entirely like the Libertarian Party, American Liberty Alliance and Republican Liberty Caucus, or they are actively opposing the convention and even planning protests as the National Precinct Alliance declared it would do when it withdrew from participation. Even the Tea Party Express, which has itself been accused of selling out to corporate interests, dropped out of the convention a couple of weeks ago.


    With both mainstream Republicans turning against the event and other legitimate elements of the Tea Party movement generally ignoring it, the environment seems to have turned rather strange. The huge number of press representatives who were invited are being excluded from many of the events and the convention has already attracted national negative attention when opening speaker Joseph Farah launched a birther screed about President Obama's Birth certificate, garnering major negative response from left and right alike.

    As a result of all of this, attendance is embarrassingly low, with an official estimate of only 600 paid attendees, which is far less than the left's similar Netroots Nation event which intentionally capped attendance at about three times that size. I've run a lot of conventions, and with that few attendees and paying for Opryland and $100,000 for Sarah Palin's speech, even at $549 a head it seems very unlikely that the organizers will see more than a modest profit, and the new Ensuring Liberty PAC which they are launching out of the convention isn't going to have a lot of cash to throw around as a result.


    Now I have to admit that everyone has a right to make a buck, and if turning the Tea Party movement into a circus and inviting the scorn of the left media and genuine grassroots activists is worth enduring to make some money, then Mark Skoda and Justin Phillips of Tea Party Nation have every right to do it. And we can’t blame Sarah Palin for banking another six figures in her bank account. But I think that there is reason to be concerned about what this event will do to the grassroots movement which it represents so poorly.

    Obviously an event like this isn't going to put an end to the genuine discontent among working Americans which motivated all of the protests over the past year.  Yet it really does highlight the biggest problem that these loosely associated Tea Party groups have, which is their lack of nationwide organization.  They are inherently leery of some of the organizations which could provide them with guidance and structure like  FreedomWorks and don't want to sell out to the corporate interests they feel those groups represent.  But it's clear from this convention that even some from within their own ranks are pretty eager to sell out and turn a profit from the movement without really moving them any closer to unity.

    A small, overpriced and not-very-representative convention with most of the Tea Party groups absent isn't going to provide any kind of real or lasting  leadership or influence, and the backlash against it is probably going to make future organizing and coordination more difficult as groups look on each other with even more suspicion.  While this event could have been an opportunity to unify protesters, it is likely to have the exact opposite effect, and the Tea Party movement will remain a loose alliance with its members even more disaffected and disillusioned than they were before.  Some will probably even become discouraged and leave the movement before the 2010 elections give them a chance to have a real influence.

    Ironically, if this convention does have a unifying effect, it's more likely to come out of the hostile coverage from the left than from anything done at the convention.  As sanctimonious leftists like Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann mock the event and the "Teabaggers" in general, such does more to bring them together despite their differences than any misstep like this convention does to drive them apart.  Even those who aren't supporting the convention are going to be offended by the mocking and derision of the left, and that  will help them find common ground in common enemies and maybe the next attempt at working together will go better as a result.

    So don't write the Tea Party off just because of this sad event in Tennessee.  The final chapter in the story of grassroots America rising up and demanding better government has yet to be written and the real test will come at the polls this November.

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    About Dave Nalle

    • concerned

      I agree, the tea party has a decent concept but is being mislead by people like sarah palin and corperations that see the movement as just a tool to further their own agenda. The fire and anger you have toward government and big business is great, but be careful, corperations will try and harness that and get you to move towards ideals that are completely against your own best interest

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      Dave,

      You mean the hard working people at Freedom Works, don’t you? You know who I mean ?

      Dick Armey’s lobbyist group.

      hard-working people who made up the crowds at authentic protests this past year mostly can’t afford to attend.

      So,we can both agree on something now; the Tea Party will most likely go away.

      :*shoooe!

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      The second link’s video has already been removed.

    • Ruvy

      I sipped my cup of coffee while watching Sarah Palin excoriate Obama. She got her $100,000, and I didn’t have have to pay to attend. Besides – why would I want to go to Tennesee? Feh!

      Now I have to shave and go to Jerusalem in a bit to do patrol duty, and maybe visit a friend in the hospital. Maybe, when I get home, I can watch Joe Farrah make his speech about Obama and his oh-so-absent birth certificate…. It’s always a pleasure to see an Arab tear down a sympathiser with Wahhabi terrorists.

    • http://www.libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com Eric Dondero

      Dave, Erick Erickson who was extremely skeptical of the event, and even downright nasty towards them, showed up. He was interviewed and he recanted just about all of his former skepticisms.

      I’d say the event was a smashing success. I wish I had been there. I was going to go, but then was disuaded in attending by others who said it wouldn’t be worth it.

      I watched Sarah’s speech last night, and it was superb. I wish we Libertarian Republicans would have taken a more active role in the event.

    • http://godlessliberalhomo.blogspot.com/ libhomo

      When crazies like Michelle Bachmann bow out, you know they are in trouble.

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      Dave,

      “The stronger part of me – the part that still believes in the American ideal – will simply keep on supporting our democracy.”- Glenn Contrarian

      There are many people in this country who feel this same way. We just aren’t organized into the streets, on-line magazines, and newspapers of this country fighting against ourselves.

      Don’t the Tea Baggers realize that they are the government, along with all the rest of us?

      Most people sat home watching their TVs last night in utter revulsion. They paid her how much?

      :0 Just how many of these paid- commenters are out here at the bidding of the special interest groups any way?

    • http://www.libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com Eric Dondero

      Jeannie, we “teabaggers” are NOT the government, rather we’re the taxpayers, working Americans funding the government which is robbing us of our hard-earned dollars.

      We’re the ones paying the bills of all of society’s moochers who are sitting on their couches muching Cheetos and watching Jerry Springer and Ophra all day long. And you have the audacity to say that we’re the ones who shouldn’t have a say in how our government is run?

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      RE.8,

      The comment above my head right now is a perfect example of why your brand of Tea will never fly in this country. Bigotry, and ethnocentrism has no place at the table of our countries future.

      Now, go back home and get ready for the Superbowl.

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      RE 8.5

      What a fool, to be so ignorant as to not know that our government is made up of TAXPAYERS…We do need better education in this country.

      :0 and I’m worried about my sentence structure?

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      Eric,RE.8,

      Is this what you wrote?

      we’re the taxpayers, working Americans funding the government which is robbing us of our hard-earned dollars.

      The right-wing extremists who are stealing our countries future through obstructionism and stalling are the same people who are robbing you blind.

      :\ Hmm? I guess we do have something in common.

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      Eric,

      As long as you do the bidding for big- special-interest groups like Freedom Works,then, you will be their pawn…Do you really believe that these people will allow you the same legacy that they are securing for themselves? Really?

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      Eric,

      “The stronger part of me – the part that still believes in the American ideal – will simply keep on supporting our democracy.”- Glenn Contrarian

      I really love this quote! It speaks to my American heart…

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      I’ll see ya all later.

    • realcapitalist

      Up to about six years ago, I would make fun of people who complained constantly about how the corporations run the country and own our politicians.

      The Bush administration When I saw how changed my mind. I am former military and a military brat to boot, but when I saw how the Republicans shoveled taxpayers’ money at their chosen favorites, resisting any call for accountability, and when I saw Democrats follow meekly behind Bush in the Congress, I realized that the Republicans don’t believe in private enterprise and capitalism; they believe in cronyism and an entrenched herditary elite. Meanwhile, the Democrats mouth all the right phrases, but when push comes to shove, they won’t push and shove to tear away government protection for the people at the top, who all feel entitled to huge salaries no matter how miserably they perform (see Wall Street). Now I believe in raising the top marginal tax rate to 91% again, just like it was under Eisenhower. The country seems to have been in better shape back then.

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      realcapitalist,

      You are the American capitalist that I remember…before greed took over…

      :] Tax is not an evil word!

    • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

      You mean the hard working people at Freedom Works, don’t you? You know who I mean ?

      Dick Armey’s lobbyist group.

      Actually, Jeannie, FreedomWorks had little or nothing to do with the original protests and has played a very limited but positive role since it got involved. And it’s not Armey’s group, he’s a hireling. FreedomWorks is a front for the Koch Foundation. And in fact, I think that despite the suspicion of the group, FreedomWorks has the best position to provide legitimate organizationm to the Tea Party movement.

      So,we can both agree on something now; the Tea Party will most likely go away.

      So, you didn’t actually READ the article, thn.

      Dave

    • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

      Jeannie, the more you post the deeper the hole your ignorance digs you.

      First off, Eric never said a single bigoted word. You just leapt to conclusions based on your own prejudices.

      Second, what “special interest” do you think FreedomWorks is promoting? Are you at all familiar with the group and its agenda or the people behind it? Clearly not.

      Like Realcapitalist you don’t understand that the corporatists are just as much a target as the tea party movement as the government is. In fact, they are indistinguishable under the current administration. That’s why the health care bill was so particularly objectionable.

      If you had a bit of sense you’d be marching with the tea partiers like many who lean left politically are.

      Dave

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      Dave,

      See, this why I cannot trust you on other fronts here. I have clearly-established without a doubt who and what started this cut our taxes lobby and political action group that is now posing as the American populace.

      I believe we have all had enough of Reaganomics for the last thirty years.

      I withdraw my request to you again, and, I will contact another editor to handle my writings here.

    • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

      Jeannie, you really are terribly reactive. What do my comments here have to do with my ability to edit your article? Totally irrational to associate the two.

      And whether you like to admit it or not, the public does not like being overtaxed – or taxed at all – and even moreso when government is the enemy of the liberties it is supposed to protect. No one wants to pay money for something which is bad for them.

      Dave

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      So, you think I would let you infect my writing with this warped view?

      I’ll find someone to handle my work correctly or I’ll wait until next Thursday for Clavos.

      In the “mean-time”, are you trying to push me away from this thread, because, you don’t like what I am saying?

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      I didn’t write this Dave,

      Now I believe in raising the top marginal tax rate to 91% again, just like it was under Eisenhower. The country seems to have been in better shape back then.

      realcapitalist did, A real capitalist!

      I’m not alone.

    • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

      Dave,

      That’s just Jeannie’s style to be provocative. Jeannie, all of us are real persons here regardless of what ends up being written on the computer screen. None of us, including Dave, are evil. We all want what is good for the country, however much we may disagree what good is.

      Try to remember that, please.

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      Roger,

      I never said he was evil. I said his attitude is atrocious towards me and everyone else he doesn’t like..there is no separation here between the myth and reality.

      and You, have not addressed me for days..so what are you doing now?

    • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

      Cindy, I very much doubt whether Dave or anybody else here dislikes you.

      You should try to find some common ground so you can understand one another better. I’m not saying it’s easy, but both of you should try. In absence of that, all you end up is sniping at one another, and that serves no purpose that I can see.

      Talk to you shortly,

      Roger

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      my name is Jeannie

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      Well, for a short time there were other opinions and ideas on this thread, since they have all left, I see no reason to hang around here.

      My husband and I are going out for some fresh air.

    • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

      Roger, Jeannie persistently spouts hostile nonsense. I largely ignore it. Look at her last few comments. I have nothing to say in response. Why should I?

      Dave

    • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

      My husband and I are going out for some fresh air.

      There is no fresh air – metaphorically speaking. There’s a lot of hot air.

      Now to the Tea Baggers… I watched 3 hours and had enough. I’ve never been so ashamed to be Caucasian. In my mind’s eye all I could see were organizers passing out white sheets as people exited. So, let’s follow the money trail, folks. FOX News (parent company, NewsCorp) has plenty invested in this. As long as the Tea Party movement thrives, FOX ratings will soar. If you watched Mr. Ailes on This Week last Sunday, one can reasonably conclude FOX News is not in this business for journalistic excellence but for revenue.

      Now, isn’t it amazing that amidst the financial turmoil in journalism NewsCorp stocks continue to rise? You’ve got newspapers folding every week in this country. Local news stations are almost a thing of the past. Rupert Murdoch has his nasty little tentacles dipping deep into the heart of the American economy — including Avatar. We need to become informed consumers and start looking at where our dollars end up after we make our purchases. As much as I love Avatar for its entertainment — I cannot in good conscience see it again or purchase anything related to it.

      But back to the Pee Party. The way I see it they are as corrupt and driven by power as the GOP and DNC. And all three are financed by corporations who have the edge over the voters. The next world war will not be between nations and cultures. It will be between corporations and if I were a betting man I would say News Corp stands to win this war.

      It’s one thing to promote free enterprise and capitalism, but at what point do we come to realize that the system is dangerously flawed and ready to disintegrate? At what point do we realize that in celebrating the “free spirit” of America we are becoming disciples of nefarious corporate machinations? At what point do we follow the teachings of Christ Himself as opposed to the scum sucking pretenders who are driving the ignorant portion of our society? Wake up, folks. We’re a gettin’ closer to the edge of revolution.

      Tolstoy’s Cat 2012. I was gonna say Tolstoy’s Cat 2012 – The Other White Meat. but wasn’t sure if I’d be inappropriate.

    • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

      “I will contact another editor to handle my writings here.”

      If they resemble your comments, sounds like Dave wins.

    • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

      Dave: The problem with the Tea party movement, other than the crackpots and birthers (and I heard from Kevin Jackson that there is quite a bit of an inner struggle with egos and control freaks)…is that it is too fragmented and while I don’t think they need a leader, they do need a CLEAR and unified message on what they stand for (mission statement). It would not only help weed out the phonies, but give the movement more credibility.

      I think that most Americans are sick and tired of the elitist, big corporations, unions, special interests, hollywood, and the media dominating and dictating the direction of our country. It is time that the average American has a voice, we are “the people” too. So, I hope the Tea Party lives on; if they get their act together!

    • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

      But Christine, judging by what transpired in Nashville, where are those others?
      It would seem that this was the main object of Dave’s concern.

    • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

      All significant grassroots movements seem to get taken over by corporate interests in the end. Most of the teapartyers have given this event a wide berth, but I’m sure the money will catch up with them in the end…

    • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

      Which puts next to nil the chances of there arising a genuine political movement in America that would be divorced from money interests.

    • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

      Roger, I understand Dave’s concern; was just addressing the Tea Party movement itself. That’s all.

    • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

      Well, it looks like the splinters of it in any case.

    • Arch Conservative

      “Now to the Tea Baggers… I watched 3 hours and had enough. I’ve never been so ashamed to be Caucasian.”

      So by that logic every black person in this nation should be ashamed to be black because Obama is suck an incompetent, arrogant, narcissistic smiling jackass?

      How many time must I say it. Rather than truly attempting to understand the tea party movement you’re letting the mass media do you thinking for you again Silas.

      I thought you were better than that but I guess I thought wrong. You obviously don’t realize or care to realize the outright hostility many int he movement have toward the GOP and Fox news. What happened…you heard Sean Hannity claim to speak for the tea partiers and you believed it?

      Show me any social or political movement in this nation and I will readily be able to pick out enough crazies and nutjobs loosely associated with that movement that can be used to discredit the entire movement.

      “Wake up, folks. We’re a gettin’ closer to the edge of revolution.”

      Yes and it’s probably a good thing int he end. Aren’t most revolutions? But who is it in our nation that would most like to see this happen Silas? I’ll give you a hint……it’s not Rupert Murdoch.

    • STM

      Silas: “Rupert Murdoch has his nasty little tentacles dipping deep into the heart of the American economy — including Avatar.”

      Why shouldn’t he? His business is legitimate – why should delivery of news and entertainment not be run as a business, especially when you consider how many jobs it provides? – and he’s a US citizen to boot and has been for over two decades. He lost his Australian citizenship as a result of becoming an American. According to US law, he’s as American as you are, silas.

      If you don’t like it, mate, do what I do: use the remote, or better still, don’t watch it in the first place. It’s a simple choice.

      The fact that you don’t like what’s on Fox News, however, shouldn’t detract from the fact that a lot of other people too. Enough people in fact to make it America’s top rating news program. As Rupert would no doubt argue, and quite rightly, that’s the beauty of modern democracy.

      And it requires more than one participant, even if you don’t agree with the others.

      As for Avatar, mate … it’s a movie, a puiece of Hollywood bulsh.t meant to entertain.

      Who cares who made it, produced it, financed it. It’s just a distraction. It’s made an absolute motza, but that’s just good marketing and planning.

      You can’t fault Murdoch for that … he’s very good at what he does.

      What?? You think he’s going to put millions into making movies that make a loss and leave the company squillions out of pocket. Please …

    • STM

      News organisations, BTW, have a habit of biting back at people who won’t give them the time of day. It’s not always intentional either – if you don’t play along, it’s always the opposite view that’s spruiked up. You can’t accuse people of being one-eyed when you yourself ignore the target of your criticism.

      I’d reckon anyone advising Obama to do that was giving him bad advice. It’s quite arrogant too viewed from a both journalistic and voter perspective.

      It means you’re comfortable ignoring the views of half the country and care nothing about the concerns of the other half. Why would a president think that’s OK? Surely American politivs haven’t become that polarsised??

      But that was certainly the case with Obama; he initially simply refused to have anything to do with Fox. In politics as in life geneterally, you reap what you sow.

      I have my own views about Roger Ailes, but in Obama’s situation, you have to make the best of what’s on offer. Even though it won him government, I still don’t believe he did. His base is too tenuous as a result … and it’s a slippery slope from there.

    • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

      jeannie – One thing I will say. Dave and I agree on very little. We are both athiests and we both believe in gay rights (I think) – actually, that’s pretty good – but that’s about it.

      I have written a # of articles over the past few years that Dave has edited and with which he wholly disagrees. Yet, he has never in my experience “edited” anything regarding content or point of view from anything I’ve written. In that regard, Dave is totally professional.

      I believe that Dave would publish about anything you may write as long as it isn’t libelous, doesn’t contain obvious falsehoods or personal attacks, or is totally inept from a journalistic perspective.

      I have found that to be true of all the editors I’ve dealt with here.

      Write what you believe. Write as well as you can. Be honest. AND if you are published, don’t expect to be coddled. You can’t write here in the politics section and maintain a thin skin. If you are challenged – which you most certainly will be – be prepared to fight back. I’ve probably lost a lot more arguments here than I’ve won, but I have won a few, and that’s all right with me.

      B

    • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

      Excuse me – apparently I’m an athiest while Dave is an atheist. Hmmm. I’ll have to ponder that one. :)

      B

    • Jordan Richardson

      Dave is totally professional.

      Seconded. I can vouch for Dave as being completely fair and professional when it comes to editing. I remember he helped me flesh out an article that was of particular importance to me a while back and I remain grateful to him for that.

      You’ve got nothing to fear from him in terms of an editorial standpoint. But don’t get between him and good Texas BBQ, ya hear?

      :P

    • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

      they do need a CLEAR and unified message on what they stand for (mission statement). It would not only help weed out the phonies, but give the movement more credibility.

      Don’t tempt me Christine. I’m just egotistical enough to try to write a “Tea Party Manifesto”

      Dave

    • STM

      “Nasty little tentacles dipping deep into the heart of the US economy”

      Always makes me laugh when I hear Americans moaning about Murdoch’s world-wide web of media and entertainment companies, but it’s OK for all the US multinationals to be dipping into the economies of other countries, right?

      A bit like Americans rapping the British over the knuckles for British imperialism but the American version is OK because of course, it’s main goal is to export freedom and democracy.

      Right … tell the Filipinos that.

      Get a grip guys … Yanks and the Poms invented globalism.

      The Poms complain about it too when the shoe’s on the other foot … look at the Cadbury’s takeover (although if anyone here knows how good Cadbury’s tastes compared to Hershey’s, you can kind of understand why they might be worried).

      Seriously, if you can’t deal with it, withdraw all American companies across the globe and put them back in the US and keep them there.

      No sales or business anywhere else, OK?

      I could point to a dozen Aussie icons taken over in the past couple of decades by US and British companies.

      Do you hear me complain?? Only a bit.

    • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

      although if anyone here knows how good Cadbury’s tastes compared to Hershey’s

      A Little Piece of Heaven in a Foil Wrapper vs. Caramelised Vomit. No contest.

      :-)

      Only problem over here is that the Cadbury’s you can buy in the US is manufactured under contract by…

      …Hershey’s.

      Bleh.

    • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

      Now, that sucks.

      Same with rolling cigarette tobacco and imported beer. You only get the inferior version because the quality would be too telling compared to the American brand.

    • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

      Ahhh. Good Chocolate. I thought that’s where this thread was leading. Most every time my son comes home from Germany, he brings a ton of European chocolate with him. It’s usually less sweet and far less waxy than most American chocolate. Woohoo!

      B

    • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

      Well, they’re moving in this direction even in the US – the greater percentage of cocoa, the greater nutritional value and more expensive of course.

    • Glenn Contrarian

      Pah!

      I DO like Hershey’s! And I DON’T like Cadbury’s, even when I bought it in Hobart, Tasmania where it’s made! So there!

      But I do like Lindt’s better than Hershey’s…and I wouldn’t be surprised if, should I ever get the opportunity to travel Europe, I’d find chocolate that I’d much, much prefer to anything stateside.

      But I’ve yet to find anything as good as See’s white fudge.

    • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

      And I thought you were one of the few BCers who had their head screwed on, Glenn… :-)

      Kills me to say it, but British chocolate is only the second best in the world.

      The top three:

      1. Belgian
      2. British
      3. Swiss

    • Glenn Contrarian

      Doc –

      A lot has to do with where one grows up. After all, have you ever tried a vegemite sandwich?

      **takes cover from incoming from STM**

    • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

      After all, have you ever tried a vegemite sandwich?

      Strangely enough, I have.

      Along with, in my time, many Marmite (Britain’s milder version) sandwiches.

    • Glenn Contrarian

      *chuckle*

      You’re a better man than I am! I was chicken….

    • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

      Some Belgian and other European chocolates have booze in them. If you don’t expect it when you chomp down, it’s quite a nice surprise. It might be fun to get sloshed on cognac laced bon bons. The next day could be quite ugly, though. :)

    • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

      Trouble with liqueur chocolates is you can’t keep them for too long, because the sugar from the chocolate eventually gets into the booze and turns it into a nasty sort of crunchy syrup. Eat ‘em fresh out of the box, though, and there’s no nicer treat.

    • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

      Somehow, they don’t last so long as to get “crunchy.” :)

    • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

      True, but you have to watch where you get them. Avoid buying them from any outlet with the word ‘Pound’ or ‘Dollar’ in its name, or which features the phrasing ‘everything for a…’ in its advertising.

    • STM

      Vegemite … mmmm.

      Less is more.

      Except when you’re playing tricks on visiting Americans.

      “Here, Dwayne, try a spoonful of this … it’s our equivalent of peanut butter”.

      Only half right :)

    • STM

      I quite like crunchy liquer chocolates, probably because I’m used to them.

      Problem in Australia is, it gets so bloody hot here so quick, with chocolate, unless the freight and storage and subsequent shelving is handled properly from go to whoa, it can have melted and solidified a dozen times by the time it hits the mouth.

      Which is why I’m used to eating crunchy liquer chocolates.

      Queensland (and some of the outback towns) are the worst. The chocolate up there/out there has invariably melted at least once before you buy it.

      Cadbury’s actually tastes OK after this has happened. Some others aren’t.

      Hershey’s ALWAYS tastes like it’s melted and solidified 100 times. Yuk.

      The only good Hershey’s arethose little peanut butter chocloate cups. I can go a whole packet of them in one hit.

    • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

      The only good Hershey’s arethose little peanut butter chocloate cups. I can go a whole packet of them in one hit.

      That’s why peanut butter candy, and especially Reese’s and the various other brands made by Hershey’s, are so popular in the US. The peanut butter disguises the vomitous taste of the alleged chocolate. :-)

    • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

      I only eat what my son sends or brings from Germany. As they don’t allow the use of preservatives, most everything is pretty fresh.

    • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

      I prefer Crunchy Frogs myself

    • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

      I presume the reference is not to the Frenchmen.

    • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

      No, to a Monty Python skit.

      In a strange case (perhaps) of life imitating art, Cadbury’s in Britain used to make a kids’ candy called Freddo, which consisted of a solid milk chocolate cartoon frog.

      Very yummy. Did not taste like chicken.

    • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

      Just to get back to the original thread – One could have tea with one’s Belgian chocolate.

    • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

      My friends are coming up from Melbourne in a month and they’re bringing me my four favorites – Violet Crumble, Cherry Ripe, Vegemite and Tam Tams. Hey, STM, we’ve just completed our plans for a trip Down Under! Slated for March 2011.

    • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

      Surprised no one mentioned chocolate truffles.

    • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

      or marzipans.

    • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

      Speaking of truffles, has anybody tried the Three Musketeers Truffle bars yet? Very odd tasting in a surprisingly weird sort of way.

    • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

      How about some chocolate kippers?

      B

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      Baritone,

      Come on now, I haven’t had a candy bar since October, and You are all making me sooo hungry!

      :[ Time to go eat..

    • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

      For chocolate kippers?

      B

    • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

      Baritone,

      I obviously don’t have the code book that accompanies this thread.

      Where did I see that funny dictionary that Doc posted?

      :] I’ll go find it.