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Here’s the question – is it LEGAL to expose a cheater or abuser online? I remind you that this piece contains my personal OPINION only and was written for the purpose of consideration and discussion.

In short, it appears the current answer is YES. But this could change in the very near future.

Most of these type of sites have rules for exposing the people listed. The current interpretation seems to say if you have proof to back up what you say, and it is truthful, it is not libel or slander. But remember, laws can be changed with enough pressure.

One site that exposes cheating men recently had a group attempt to launch a lawsuit against them. Guess what happened? Other than whining & moaning about how the cheaters and their families were harmed? Not much. The cheaters website was looking for advertisers and money to help support their “cause.” Besides, now there are so many choices of sites available to expose people, both men and women! These sites have very specific terms of use – honesty is a must and the onus is on the poster. Site owners and posters believe the men are angry they have been caught and exposed.

Recently I was asked if most of these abusers and cheaters feel ashamed, sorry or sad about what they have done. My answer: “Not that I have seen!! In fact, it seems that they usually become indignant, angry and lash out at the person(s) that exposed the truth about them. They only “feel sorry” to try to rope the victim into saying nothing about them and to stop the tide of truth from exposing all the rest of their evil deeds.” Sad? Yes they are. Sad they got caught. And some of them do clean up their act for a few weeks, months or even years – but usually go RIGHT BACK to it and are sneakier about it next time.

If you consider that many of these people fall into a destructive narcissistic pattern you will find that many of them will go to therapy or even make long confessions to their partners. Once they find themselves “CURED” (I use that term loosely because deep down they justify and see NOTHING wrong with their behaviors) they will, step by step, go right back to their predatory ways either online or off. Being an online cheater is an addiction and takes a lot of honesty and giving up personal time to break an addiction or not trade it for something equally addicting and destructive.

The worst part is these cheaters and abusers usually accuse their wounded targets of harrassing both them and/or their partners and even stalking them. This is nothing more than a pre-emptive strike. It common for internet predators, abusers and cheaters to enlist their local police in harrassing their victims by showing the police carefully selected instant messages and emails to support their claims and need to cut down the once “beloved’ target.” This move sometimes makes their victims back down but usually the retributive attack can’t be backed up.

Be careful, the law regarding internet communications is still new so ask yourself: are you exposing them to be mean or get revenge? Or are you doing it to warn others and possibly stop the cyberpath from destroying themselves and their families? Are you being vindictive or shedding real light on the situation? When you point the finger at someone there are always three fingers pointing back at you. Your stories may help some potential victim see the patterns of behavior displayed by these people and avoid a lot of heartache. They may be cathartic as well. As it stands, these communications are considered like any internet bulletin board posting as long as it doesn’t contain telephone numbers or other information someone could use for identity theft. The site owners say it is a matter of opinion.

In many cases, the cheater’s spouse, therapist or partner may even stand up for the cheater/abuser. These people do “seem” so contrite. They tell them to NEVER speak to their victim(s) again. Is that right? Maybe not. It doesn’t offer an outlet for the cathartic anger and venting these exposure sites allow. It doesn’t allow for healing on either side. It shows no empathy towards the victim.

Counselors for internet addiction say the cheaters should come clean with their partner AND all their victims. They also suggest trying to reframe the relationship into something more productive and honest for both people. Cutting off the victim is cruel and allows the abuser to then bend their stories without reproach, launch a smear campaign against their victims, run away from any responsibility and lie to everyone even more… including themselves. 12-Step addicts know that you must make direct amends. Of course, some hide behind the step that says “unless to do so would cause more harm.” In this case the cheater convinces themselves it would harm the victim even more. Baloney. The truth is not only a great leveler but also a great healer. In fact, new programs for restorative justice bring some prison inmates together with their victims which has been proven to be very healing for both of them. So, think about it: if you internet predators, cheaters and abusers truly want to mend your ways then trying to erase what you did online by creating new identities and blocking victims isn’t the solution, is it?

Now back to the lawsuit mentioned above. The owner of the site that was threatened with a lawsuit says:

“Most of them say that the [person] who posted [the profile] is crazy, that something is wrong with [the poster], that they’re saints.”

Domestic Violence advocates say this is classic and typical abuser-speak. It’s never the cheater or abuser, it’s always the person who found them out! Sort of a no-good-deed-goes-unpunished moment. Unlike the public posting of the locations of known, convicted sex-offenders, this does seem to be more problematic in terms of fairness.

The owner of a longer running site sheds more light on the process:

“I didn’t want to ruin someone’s life. So, they have the option to pay and have it deleted. But, I can’t control if you are player and a bunch of women post things about you. That is just a karma thing.”

She said she gets about four removal requests a day.

In one recent case, City of Kirkland v. Sheehan, Bill Sheehan, a man in Washington State says he put up a website in an effort to make the police more publicly accountable. He published information about local police officers from the City of Kirkland and other municipalities in Washington including their names, addresses, dates of birth, phone numbers, spouses’ names and more. The police officers claimed this required them to enhance their personal and job security measures as well as expend funds in response to the listings. The case also alleges the site caused stress to both them and their families. This allegation is similar to the one made by the group attempting to shut down the cheating man site.

The ruling on the case held that the First Amendment protected the site: “[I]n the absence of a credible specific threat of harm, the publication of lawfully obtained addresses and telephone numbers, while certainly unwelcome to those who had desired a greater degree of anonymity, is traditionally viewed as having the ability to promote political speech. Publication may arguably expose wrongdoers and/or facilitate peaceful picketing of homes or worksites and render other communication possible.”

As for the cheating man site? A former U.S. attorney Scott Christie was quoted in the New Jersey Star Ledger,

“Yes, it’s all legal. If I were the owners of this site, I wouldn’t be concerned. They’re providing an outlet for people to express their opinion. It’s much like hosting a bulletin board for people with a common interest,. People are giving their opinion about other people — they’re entitled to it under the First Amendment.”

And this from Canada.com:

According to a privacy lawyer from Halifax, (snip)

“If the person’s reputation is in Canada, and they are in Canada, and likely the person who posted the information is in Canada, there’s more than enough connection for Canadian defamation law to apply,” says David T.S. Fraser, chair of the privacy practice group at McInnes Cooper. But he hastens to add the statements aren’t considered defamatory if they’re true.

“If you’re a slug,” says Mr. Fraser, “it’s only appropriate people know you’re a slug.”

And think about this: The people who post the pictures/profiles on any site are making an “allegation” — nothing more. Many of them aren’t offering evidence that is irrefutable and verifiable other than their account. With sites that do, they make sure they have evidence. But what are the reasons for doing this? Is it a warning, catharsis, revenge or a credible threat? That’s something the poster needs to ask themselves before they get into a very sticky legal situation.

In an article on FindLaw, writer Anita Ramasastry brought up some current cases involving exposure sites, digital information and their interesting findings. One case stated that the First Amendment does not protect all personally identifiable information in every context, even those published online. In a 6-5 decision (close), in Planned Parenthood of the Columbia/Willamette, Inc., et al., v. American Coalition of Life Activists, et al. an en banc panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld an injunction against a web site that did publish personal information of abortion doctors.

This particular case involved a website called the “Nuremberg Files.” It published the addresses, photographs, addresses and other personal information of physicians and others who either provided or supported abortion services. The website also had strike throughs on the names of those who had been murdered and grayed out the names of those who had been wounded. The majority in this close decision held that the “pattern” in which the posters appeared — coupled with the fact that other abortion providers had been killed — transformed the posters into something of a symbolic threat. As such, the information was not protected by the First Amendment.

One owner of a website about cheating, abusive men says this about her site:

The Terms of Agreement and Privacy Policy are currently being re-revised and there are some terms that a woman needs to agree to before she can add a man to the database. All this basically comes down to two issues – Freedom of Speech and the First Amendment and the issue of a private person’s right to privacy. However, in a sense, aren’t search engines such as Google merely large databases of information which also include personally identifying information of millions of humans?! If Google can do it, why shouldn’t smaller websites such as mine be able to do it without legal reprecussions?

So, okay, we have people who are exposing the misdeeds of others in a cyberspace court of public opinion. Of course this pisses off the cheaters because they want a higher threshold standard of guilt/proof or because they disagree with the concept of outting anyone publicly for what they feel should be a private matter. However, here’s my personal look at another beneficial perspective of the people making these claims.

If someone posted my picture/profile in a database and I learned of it but it wasn’t true, then I probably wouldn’t waste my time even rebutting it. Why? Because if I’m innocent, then the burden is not on me to prove such, at least not under American jurisprudence — legal or moral. And I don’t use and abuse people online or off – so I am not afraid of scrutiny. In short – its a catharsis the victims won’t get anywhere else. What are the victims of these men and women to do with their anger, pain and hurt? Suck it up and allow the abuser to move on to another victim? Tell or not tell his spouse, partner or family? Stew in their feelings?

One exposure site owner says:

It is better than going out and slashing his tires. It makes them feel good and gives them a way to express their bitterness and hate.”

In light of precedents like these, it’s extremely likely that any law that simply tried to ban cheating men/women sites, information aggregators like Zabasearch or “digital dossiers,” would be struck down as contrary to the First Amendment. But could a more narrowly written law constitutionally restrict such sites and dossiers and be on the books soon? Some feel yes, such a law would be desirable. Some feel no, that the internet should not be restricted in such a manner as long as it does not pose a threat, symbolic or otherwise, to the persons posted as long as the information is true and proveable.

Perhaps if you are a guilty party, rather than trying to cut down the person(s) exposing you it would be better to call a qualified internet addiction counselor to stop your abusing ways. You would be doing everyone, including yourself, a favor. Then, see what you can do to get the posting removed without a counterattack. Just talking to the person(s) you suspect posted it and working on the friendship honestly seems better than a Judge Judy or Jerry Springer hate-fest.

Ramasastry says in her article “… legislators should consider regulating how densely information can be collected online – regulating, that is, how thick our digital dossiers really can be. Doubtless, any attempt to do this will raise First Amendment objections. But this is one issue where privacy and the First Amendment truly clash – and the First Amendment cannot win every time.”

And to the victims of these cheaters, liars, internet predators and abusers, remember: NOTHING beats sunshine and fresh air to disinfect abuse! Tell, but do not do it to endanger the person you are angry at or their families in the process. The laws are still being worked out. These sorts of internet exposures won’t go away. Think of the National Enquirer and Globe articles that have caused ugly lawsuits. Write your representatives and tell them your concerns or feelings about internet privacy. And if you have been cheated on? Vent but exercise caution in posting anyone’s personal information.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer and this article is my personal opinion. It should not be construed as legal advice, in part or in whole, in way, shape or form.

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  • http://spaces.msn.com/members/survivingabadchoice texanrose

    Gee, that opens up another way that we could be victimized again, however, I do believe that victims of these type of predators should be allowed a voice. It is ok to print the all ready public stuff such as the criminal backgrounds as that is all public anyway. However, it takes common sense not to publish the addresses or phone numbers of the predators, think in my opinion of the law, they are protected. We as victims need to change the laws, so that if predators find their victims on the internet, they should be banned from ever using a computer again, or any form of communication that will allow them to find a victim. Remember I became a victim through the United States Postal System. The good old snail mail approach. Sometimes the laws will never cover what they need to cover, and predators being predators will always find a loophole. We need to continue to educate the public so that there will be less victims, and more justice.

  • http://murasaki.blog-city.com Purple Tigress

    I don’t believe the Web site allows the publication of addresses and phone numbers. This isn’t the only site and this site doesn’t post photos. I know of another Web site where photos can be posted.

    The laws about defamation of character, slander and libel require that the information be untrue, the person targeted have his/her reputation seriously damaged and that person must not be a public figure.

    The Web site in question doesn’t seem to allow for outside search (in other words, allowing the names of the cheaters to be subject to key word searches). So the exposure to peers that would constitute damage isn’t there.

    I think something that might be more open to litigation would be the sale of photos of ex-girlfriends on eBay. The sale of images for profit usually requires a signed release form.

  • http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com Fighter

    the following websites are “exposure sites.” some, I noted DO allow for a person’s information (not the ones mentioned in the article)

    datingpsychos.com
    ripoffreport.com

    also if you surf someone’s nickname, sometimes their real name can be found and a quick perusal thru zabasearch or bigyellow can pretty much tell you anything you want to know.

  • Ann

    Wow!! Great article – a lot of things I never really thought about or paid much attention to!

  • http://fightbigamy.typepad.com OneOfSeven

    Fantastic article and it will be quite interesting to see how this all plays out. When exposing the psychopath/sociopath, abuser, cheater, bigamist, the con artist—keep in mind the definitions of defamation, slander, and libel. If you expose, be prepared to back up your statements with court documentation and other concrete evidence of the abuser’s behavior. And let us not forget the rights given to us under the First Amendment of the US Constitution….VERY IMPORTANT!

  • http://www.yourareatarget.com Shelly

    I love the article! It is so true when she asks “What are we to do with our pain?” Many people don’t understand the agony that a victim goes through without closure. On our site, we talk about closure in our free turtorial–there is conceptual closure (the ideal kind) and retrobutive closure (the kind that makes you feel great and requires nothing from the abuser). These exposure sites are the second kind. Go check it out.
    Thanks Fighhter for a great article.

  • Charlie

    You are completely off base, my current wife is pissed off about a post about myself by a vindictive ex, that I had arrested because she’s a psycho. If you support these kind of people, and the lies they spread, then you are one too. I’m seriously considering filing suit, because everything taht was said about me was a lie, nothing can be proved, however I can prove the obosite, court records and arrest records don’t lie.

  • Jane

    Great article! The owners of websites like womansavers.com and bashmyex.com are not liable because they are not the authors. If untruths are posted, it is up to the accused party to prove what the author wrote is false. These types of websites are protected under 1996 Communications Decency Act and also the First Amendment, Freedom of Speech.

  • http://www.cheaternews.com Anonymous

    This site allows pictures to be posted, however they post pictures of the women their ex’s lied to as well. Most of the posts are vicious, lies and the mods back up the ones that have been cheated on. Names and names of towns/cities are posted with the pictures, as well as places these people can be found. This opens a can of worms. If the posted person (usually a woman)not the man that cheated, where to be hurt or killed, who is liable. Where is thier protection under law. Because the spouse cheated, does that make it ok for the other person to be victimized either by the spouse that feels justified by their actions because they are angry and hurt? Last time I checked you cant batter someone or hit someone because you are angry. So, it is lawful to put them and possible family members in jeopardy? I would hope in this country it is not the case.

  • Anonymous

    cheaternews.com is allowing women to become endangered.

  • TordBoontje

    I found this site reading a profile posted for Phil Kassel on Don’t Date Him Girl. This site does a great service and empowers women to stay safe and protect themselves from men who abuse women even through the church.

  • Doug

    It’s the new companion to online dating. Its a shame that someone’s history can be plastered all over the web but women need to know about men who abuse women. I’m a guy and I am friends with all women I have dated. Things ended on good terms and with men of character the woman doesn’t end up despising the ex. I have a friend that was posted and although he will never admit it he deserves to be posted for what he did.

  • Slinky

    Thanks for great information. Phil Kassel and other abusers need to be exposed so that women can see the warning signs and avoid being mistreated.

  • CMMB

    I had a vindictive psycho ex boyfriend accuse me of extortion and harassment because I outed him. He is the head of a large christian faith based charity and a serial cheater, used donation money from the charity for his philandering.

    He managed to marry a wealthy older woman and constantly screwed around on her. A real gem. New York City

  • Anne

    Be very careful of the con men in churches like Phil Kassel at Christian Assembly in Eagle Rock. I have to pretend to tolerate him because of work but privately I warn people to NOT go near him.