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Iranian Protesters Tortured in Prison

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Thousands were arrested in the aftermath of the recent presidential elections in Iran. Some of them are famous like Maziar Bahari, Kian Tajbakhsh, Abtahi and so on but most of the detainees are just ordinary men and women who merely protested peacefully against fraudulent election results. They are unknown to many of us, they don’t get news coverage and they get the worst treatment in prisons.

Interrogators usually keep well-known people in solitary confinement and put them through severe mental torture, but spare them the physical torture used on regular protesters. The Islamic regime needs them for coerced televised confessions so they get a little better treatment than the average protester, but all in all it is still imprisonment and torture.

Iranian Member of Parliament, Dr. Pezeshkian criticized the brutal torture of protesters and said: “Mr. Rouholamini’s son was a well known person to the security forces, but still his fate become this. So we are worried for ordinary people.” (Translation from Persian language news)

For example Mohesn Rouholamini died in prison. The autopsy showed that he lost his teeth and his jaw was broken. His father is a regime insider and advisor to defeated conservative candidate Mohsen Rezaee.

So now that you hear this news, think of the ordinary people who are brutally tortured and kept in highly crowded prison cells in the extreme heat of the summer in Tehran. It is not about taking side of some moderate Iranian politicians, no not at all! It is all about people who can make tomorrow better world for all of us.

The future can be bright if we support and care for each other all over this little planet. We can start by bringing attention to the plight of political prisoners in Iran.

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About Fariborz Shamshiri

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Most Americans are so worked up over the Blessed of Hussein’s little yak yak next week, that they are ignoring how HE ignores serious human rights violations in a country that is striving to be a nuclear power, and that is willing to destroy its neighbors. Frankly, while navel-smelling Americans ignore the evils their own Leader ignores, they prove what sheeple they are – and how they really do not give a damn for the concepts and principles that motivate their own country’s existence. I waited a long time before posting this because I wanted to see if Americans give a damn what happens to Persians – they don’t.

    The only difference between the bearded bastard in Tehran and the prince of the setting sun in the States is the beard – and a slight amount of melanin in the skin. These, frankly, mask the immense similarities between the two.

  • zingzing

    yeah, ruvy, no americans have ever protested human rights abuses in iran. in fact, isn’t that one of the top things we don’t like about iran? i’d count “wipe israel off the map,” nuclear weapons, corrupt gov’t and human rights abuses (not necessarily in that order) as the major problems we have with iran. and if you’ve paid attention at all, you know that. and you do know that. so stuff it up your nose.

    and again, this was published at 9:20 on a tuesday night. you might–might!–want to wait til people have a chance to see the article before you just willy-nilly bash on americans, or jack off all over the screen, whatever it is you are doing here. if most people are like me, they don’t see the article in question until someone (like you) comments on them. most people don’t know that this thread exists yet.

    and if you’re trying to set yourself up as the savior of persian civil rights, you might want to back down on your call to annihilate them all. (of course, this little kerfuffle over iran’s election does suggest to you that there are lots of iranians who don’t think like their gov’t, and don’t hate jews, etc, etc, etc., doesn’t it?)

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    If there is a chance that we do not have to annihilate Tehran to keep the bastards from annihilating us, great! I think that solution stinks – but I cannot come up with something that will protect us – and neither can you (not that you really give a damn, you don’t).

    But that is a separate issue from whether the navel-smelling Yanks who read this magazine can look (and smell) beyond their own navels. For the most part – they can’t. If they could, there would be plenty of comments here.

  • Mark

    Ruvy, you know that I am agnostic concerning god’s existance and approach religion cynically — as in what’s in it for society. Take the following ‘solution’ in that light.

    Establish a properly constituted Sanhedrin which would require that Kingdom of Israel abide by Jewish Law in her dealings with her neighbors. From what I’ve read these laws are much more humane than those of your present secular regime.

    Fariborz Shamshiri, thanks for this article.

  • zingzing

    ruvy: “and neither can you (not that you really give a damn, you don’t).”

    yeah, i don’t care about a possible nuclear war. not one bit. go ahead, spread radioactivity all over the world. wouldn’t make a bit of difference to me.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Here it is, 4 September, about 14:45 Jerusalem time, and this is the sixth comment on this particular article.

    The disinterest in this is obvious – the silence is deafening.

    I apologize, Fariborz, for the disinterest. Look at the other articles around (particularly in the politics section) and see the dozens of comments – on things which for the most part, are trivial and stupid. The disinterest in events in Iran has been a large factor in my own not posting articles from Israel.

    Americans just don’t give a damn about those whom they perceive to be nothing but wogs. That is the blunt and painful truth that both you and I must live with.

  • Mark

    (…of course, my proposed solution would be hell on Jews living in the Kingdom.)

  • Mark

    Fariborz, Ruvy hasn’t a clue about American sentiment concerning the events in Iran. If you would like to ‘network’, get with Cindy

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “spread radioactivity all over the world . . .”

    Ha! He’s already doing it with his postings.

    (Sorry, Ruvy, couldn’t help it. It was a natural.)

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    This at least is the second article I have had to shame you folks into looking at. Maybe now you’ll give this the attention it deserves. Obama can stuff his “address to schoolchildren” up his rear end, for all I care, and his bankrupt plans for “health care” for the States are garbage – and belong in a dispoz-all.

    But regime change in Iran can save the peace and avert serious war – war that can kill hundreds of millions if it gets out of hand.

  • Mark

    Look to your own regime, Ruvy.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    I can’t decide what is the most unappealing:

    1. Ruvy’s ignorant presumption that a lack of comments equates to a lack of concern or interest.

    2. Ruvy’s ignorant presumption that Israel has enough nuclear weapons to take out enough of Iran to make a difference.

    3. Ruvy’s ignorant presumption that Iran is actually going to attack Israel.

    4. Ruvy’s ignorant presumption that the rest of the world would just let Israel do such a thing without any adverse and possibly terminal for Israel reaction.

    5. Ruvy’s lack of perception that in rhetorical, political and faithist terms HE has far more in common with the “bearded bastard in Tehran” than most other people.

    6. Ruvy!

  • zingzing

    ruvy, stop being so fucking self righteous. you’re disgusting.

  • zingzing

    “it’s now 11:25am on friday, sept 4th. ruvy is masturbating into a mirror. he hates all americans because they do not love the iranians the way he does. of course, he would like to bomb them all out of existence. he also would like to berate americans for not commenting on a blog about iranians. because they don’t love them enough. he masturbates into the mirror. he sees himself doing so, and even while wanting to bomb himself, loves it. he tells the americans how he feels. while he thinks about bombing iranians. the americans are worse than him. the americans don’t care at all. bomb, bomb, bomb iran. free persia! bombs. freedom. he’s just about to blow it. oh, he does. he inspects it, and it looks like hate and love all smooshed together. ruvy smiles. he is happy.”

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    I can’t decide which is the most unappealing:

    1. Christropher Rose’s arrogant presumption that a lack of comments does not equate to a lack of concern or interest.

    2. Christropher Rose’s arrogant presumption that Israel does not have enough nuclear weapons to take out enough of Iran to make a difference.

    3. Christropher Rose’s arrogant presumption that Iran is NOT actually going to attack Israel, as it has done already twice, using proxies – HizbAllah in 2006, Hamas during 2005-2009.

    4. Christropher Rose’s arrogant presumption that anyone in the rest of the world has even the guts to do anything to “punish” Israel for attacking Tehran, should such a nuclear attack prove necessary (and it may well be if the local populace cannot oust the little Hitlers running the “Islamic Republic”.

    5. Christoper Rose’s Roses lack of perception that in his atheistic whinings make him sound like an atheistic English version of the “bearded bastard in Tehran”.

    6. Christopher Rose’s insufferable arrogance!

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    zing, stop being so fucking self righteous. You’re disgusting. Your “sense of humor” sounds like it comes out of a liquor bottle.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Ruvy, zero points for originality; zero points for accuracy; zero points for actually thinking for yourself; 100 points for being programmed by irrational mysticism; -100 points for persistent spelling errors. total = zero.

    At least zingzing HAS a sense of humour, which is more than we can say for you, unless referring to him as self righteous was a joke, in which case you’re hilarious, becaue you are one of the most self righteous people that has ever graced these pages.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    In short, Ruvy is a total failure. Yet he continues gracing the BC pages with impunity.

    Is there justice in this world?

  • Mark

    Where’s the love, Ruvy?

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    Can we get back to the plight of the political prisoners? What is the West doing to help release these poor people? I think we need to send some Christian Missionaries over there and help convert them to the one, true faith. Perhaps Mitt Romney would like to take a bus load over there.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, Mark. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. It’s up to Ruvy, I’d say, to get the ball rolling. I doubt, however, he’ll take me up on it.

  • Mark

    …just what’s needed — input from the hairy christians…

  • Mark

    (22 addresses 20)

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    Let’s be charitable here. It must be tough for a religious group to have to survive in a Christian-Muslim dominated world. Think about it. Christians maintain that Jesus Christ came into the world to fulfill the Scriptures. I believe the Catholic dogma pretty well supports that this fulfillment ultimately makes Judaism null and void. The Israelites are no longer the chosen for He who loved us so sent us His only Begotten Son to save the world.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    …just what’s needed — input from the hairy christians…

    I manscape, therefore I am not hairy. But then again I do not consider myself an exclusive Christian, either. Never mind.

  • Mark

    (reference was to Romney…..guess one had to be there)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    You’re making excuses, Silas. The subject is Ruvy. The one and only. So let’s not lose sight of the fact.

  • Mark

    I remember years back when Ruvy was hopeful, and I miss that.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    The last I’ve heard, Mark, Mormons aren’t Christian.

  • Mark

    …shows what I know about it, Rog.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Are we dealing then with “radicalization of Ruvy,” like in The Americanization of Emily?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I am sure some would dispute this, but lots of their tenets are far removed from the mainstream of Christianity. But I had better double-check it.

  • Mark

    Radicalization? I guess the potential of getting shot at will do that to a fellow.

  • Mark

    like cops

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    But then again, Ruvy forgets about life conditions in the inner city – like in Harlem, downtown or West Oakland, or the city of Richmond, CA. Some of the accounts he gives of terrorist activity next to where he lives are no different than what faces the residents of these blighted areas day in and day out.

  • Mark

    True, he seems to forget that he (and his people) is no Lone Ranger.

  • Mark

    (gak…grammarian needed for clean-up in the Iran isle)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, I was going to bring this up sooner, but did not think it was right to minimize anyone’s experiences. Except that the kinds of episodes he related (from personal experience, that is) are no different IMO than the usual kind of risks that come with living in an inner city.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Not just like cops. Innocent bystanders.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Mitt Romney Saves the Iranians? Sweet! It’ll be like a sort of Mormon Indiana Jones adventure, complete with quips and witticisms about Brigham Young and plowshares.

    I’m down.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Fariborz,

    Thanks for posting this. I hope you continue to post updates that alert people to what the media is not interested in. I am having a look around your blog, which is a wealth of information.

    Ruvy,

    Thank you for alerting me to this important article. I am still reading some of Fariborz’ blog and have been making my way through a couple hour video there, which I wanted to finish before I commented.

    I usually don’t go to the politics homepage as I have a browser button for the fresh comments. You have made me realize I could miss a lot that way. So, thanks again, Ruvy. I’ll be back.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Thank you too, Cindy, for alerting me to Fariborz’s blog. There is indeed a wealth of information there, more than I found earlier by looking into different Iranian sites. And all is required reading as far as I’m concerned.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I thought Mormons were Christians too. I just found out Jesus was the son of Elohim, a god from from the planet Kolob. Apparently, if you become exhaulted you get your own planet. So, that is the goal of Mormons, get exhaulted, get a planet.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Oh wait. Mormons believe they are Christians that’s probably where the misunderstanding is. Christians just don’t believe that Mormon’s are Christians.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    But you don’t need to become exalted (is that what you meant?) to have a star named after you.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I think you’re right, Cindy. Christians don’t regard Mormons as part of the Christian faith.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    And of course, Book of Mormon isn’t the Bible. Quite different, in fact.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    That’s why Christians don’t consider Mormons to be Christian. They have a further revelation that reinterprets Christianity. But still, they believe Christ is the son of god–just Elohim, from planet Kolob, and that he taught the true gospel. You can see why Christians are not going to be thrilled about that interpretation.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I thought planet Kolob was your own invention, Cindy – kind of tongue in cheek. I guess it wasn’t.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    Ah yes, Planet Kolub. Located in the Gill quadrant of the Galaxy Massen, it has been ruled over by the Romulus family with Mittius XXIII currently on throne.

  • Jordan Richardson

    The basic goal of Mormonism is to essentially become a god, like Jesus and like the god of this world, who would be considered the traditional monotheistic deity. Mormonism reduces it back so that there’s the potential for countless gods and countless worlds, thus rendering Christianity’s “one God” as one of many.

    God the Father, according to Mormonism, was once a man (or woman, but probably a dude with a big swinging…pendulum) just like us. Hence our earthly incentive to become Mormons, as we then can be gods and have religious books written about us and so forth. God himself, that is God the Father, has a grandpa and a great-grandpa and so forth.

    So essentially Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is actually our older brother. He was conceived after God the Father physically de-virginized the Virgin Mary.

    Mormons also believe that temple rituals and the like, ie. temple marriage and secret handshakes (along with the coveted secret underwear), does the trick better than Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.

    And so forth.

    There are countless reasons Christians don’t believe Mormons to be Christians.

    Incidentally, Kolob is generally interpreted as either a star or a planet. It’s not clear that Jesus is actually from there but it is generally assumed that it’s the closest possible place to God’s throne that Mormons consider, although there’s a hymn about it but the name escapes me at the moment.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Yes, Silas. Apparently Archie is unaware of this galactic fact. Or perhaps he himself is an inhabitant of planet Kolub – an alien, therefore.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    This sounds like science fiction, Jordan. And this thread is coming to approximate that of Christine’s.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Radicalization? I guess the potential of getting shot at will do that to a fellow.

    I grew up in a slum – not an “inner-city environment” – a slum. I speak clear English, unlike the lot of you who seem unable to say straight out what you mean.

    I USED to think my enemies were Arabs – till I got it clear in my head that the real enemies were Jewish traitors and the scum financing the Arabs and the Jewish traitors – Europeans and Americans.

    And now I see clearly the racism in Americans. You don’t give a damn about wogs – whether they’re Jews or Persians. It’s all over this “comment thread”. The lot of you have spent stupid comment after stupid comment going after me – what a dumb thing to waste your time on – and going after Mormons – showing just how much you really all believe in religious pluralism and freedom.

    What a pack of racist hypocrites!

    And Chris Rose? If you are going to spend a six point comment saying “fuck you”, you will get a six point comment saying “fuck you” back. I don’t give a damn what hat you wear in Eric Olsen’s little magazine.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    One last point. The author of this article, seeing this comment thread, must have figured out that he wasted his time coming to this magazine to write his articles. I hope so, for his sake.

  • zingzing

    ahh, ruvy angry. let’s make him a pie. made out of hair.

    i’ve never heard the term “wog” used to reference “jews or persians,” but whatever. then again, i’m fairly unclear what the term refers to, so i guess it could be whatever he says it is. really, i thought it referred to italians. but i’ve never really thought about it that much.

    and if we go after you, ruvy, may it be because you’ve earned it? you’re a bitter old man. it’s the name of the game. it is a dumb thing to waste our time on, that’s true, but you present such an easy target…

    “I speak clear English, unlike the lot of you who seem unable to say straight out what you mean.”

    blargle.

    “I USED to think my enemies were Arabs – till I got it clear in my head that the real enemies were Jewish traitors and the scum financing the Arabs and the Jewish traitors – Europeans and Americans.”

    everyone’s your enemy, ruvy.

    “And now I see clearly the racism in Americans.”

    missed yourself, brooklyn boy.

    “going after Mormons – showing just how much you really all believe in religious pluralism and freedom.”

    come on, they’re funny. just like any religious people. believing in a random set of rules written out by some whackjob is a pretty obvious target for ridicule. they’re free to do whatever they want, but we’re also free to make fun of them. that’s what plurality and freedom is all about. you can take yourself seriously all you want, but someone is free to make fun of you as well. america!

    “The author of this article, seeing this comment thread, must have figured out that he wasted his time coming to this magazine to write his articles.”

    one day, you will have the wisdom to stop wasting your time here as well. may that day be blessed.

    “I don’t give a damn what hat you wear in Eric Olsen’s little magazine.”

    why are you here? if you hate it so much, what’s the damn point? really. you’ve become increasingly combative, dismissive and condescending over the past few months. used to be you did other things than belittle people.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    “The author of this article, seeing this comment thread, must have figured out that he wasted his time coming to this magazine to write his articles.

    I’m not just thinking of this article or this author. I’m thinking of Heidi Stevenson’s excellent article on the money Roche Pharmaceuticals is hauling in on Tamiflu, as H1N1 proves more and more resistant to it – ignored. I’m thinking of Dan Miller, attacked for writing articles exposing the hypocrisy of the scum in the White House in its dealings with Honduras. He decided to go to a friendlier environment. It’s more of an echo chamber there, I’ll grant that, but at least he doesn’t have to put up with trashy comments and attitudes like yours. Well actually, they do show up from time to time – and the other readers attack them as trolls.

    As for me, I can’t call you “just one brain cell” – you definitely have more than one, and you’re good at satire (and Shakespeare) – and that’s where it stops. Ten brain cells, maybe twenty, tops.

    “Brooklyn boy”.

    Whatta joke, zing! You’re as much a Brooklyn boy as I’m an Arab or the Queen of Sheba. Just drinking in some bar named after a pig in Williamsburg does not make you any kind of Brooklyn boy.

    Hey “Brooklyn boy”! You have no idea how mean or how low a rank-out session can get.

    come on, they’re funny. just like any religious people. believing in a random set of rules written out by some whackjob is a pretty obvious target for ridicule. they’re free to do whatever they want, but we’re also free to make fun of them.

    Uh huh…. Just like kikes, spics, wops, polaks, niggers, gooks, krauts, chinks, norskies, poms, frogs – they’re all fun to laugh at, aren’t they? So, go ahead, and make fun!

    Hey, I’ll even start you out! You got a zebra for a president! Ever thought you’d go so low to pick a zoo animal for a ruling magistrate? You’ve gotten as low as Caligula (or was it Nero?), who named a horse a magistrate in Rome!

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    used to be you did other things than belittle people.

    Yup! Then you came along lobbing shitballs, zing. Enough shit for an elephant with diarrhea. Good thing I stand back some when you’re around. I don’t wanna die like that German zookeeper who gave an elelphant an enema and died in its resulting diarrhea.

    But someone has to shovel your shit – and toss it back in your face…. Someone, someone, you see. I guess, that someone turns out to be me….

  • zingzing

    “I don’t wanna die like that German zookeeper who gave an elelphant an enema and died in its resulting diarrhea.”

    that’s an apt metaphor.

    “But someone has to shovel your shit – and toss it back in your face…. Someone, someone, you see. I guess, that someone turns out to be me….”

    ditto.

    we were made for each other, ruvy. xoxoxoxo

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    ditto.

    That’s it, zing? Shot yer wad already? Man, I figured you for better than one lousy shot. A guy who writes about masturbation must be well acquainted with his five fingered friend. Come on, man! Stimulate that “brain” of yourn! You can do better than one shot with the stimulus you can give that “brain” of yours!

    “Brooklyn boy”….

    (gag)

  • zingzing

    ruvy: “As for me, I can’t call you “just one brain cell” – you definitely have more than one, and you’re good at satire (and Shakespeare) – and that’s where it stops. Ten brain cells, maybe twenty, tops.”

    from you, i’ll take that as a compliment. just because i disagree with you politically doesn’t mean i’m stupid. i find your beliefs to be dangerous, repulsive, insane and arrogant, but i’ll admit you’re an intelligent person. shrug. you go on calling people stupid. go ahead. gonna get you real far. you’ll end up in the cosmos, i’m sure.

    “Whatta joke, zing! You’re as much a Brooklyn boy as I’m an Arab or the Queen of Sheba.”

    i was calling you a brooklyn boy, not me. because you were born here. i’m southern. was born there. i’m a hick from the sticks. except not the sticks. and not a hick. but i’m southern bone n bread. except not the bred part of that.

    “Uh huh…. Just like kikes, spics, wops, polaks, niggers, gooks, krauts, chinks, norskies, poms, frogs – they’re all fun to laugh at, aren’t they? So, go ahead, and make fun!”

    we’re talking about religion, not race here. and all religion is hilarious. religious people can do what they want, i’ll grant that. doesn’t mean they ain’t stupid. oh, how suthurn i become.

    “Hey, I’ll even start you out! You got a zebra for a president! Ever thought you’d go so low to pick a zoo animal for a ruling magistrate? You’ve gotten as low as Caligula (or was it Nero?), who named a horse a magistrate in Rome!”

    oh, a zebra, eh? black and white? wow. what a term. how about “mulatto?” you like that one? or you can just stick with the animal reference. whatever. and it was caligula. but the american people are not caligula, and obama isn’t a horse. or an animal…

    ruvy, you need an enema.

  • zingzing

    “That’s it, zing? Shot yer wad already?”

    i was working on it. gotta give me time. i ain’t no 2-minute wonder.

  • zingzing

    come on, ruvy…

  • zingzing

    you got moxy?

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Aah, Ruvy, so much rage, so little perception. It really is quite sad seeing what is happening to you.

    Never in my life have I seen so much hate wrapped up in a presumption of righteousness. It is actually a little scary, cos you give the impression that you could tip right over the edge and do something really stupid, as opposed to averagely stupid, at any time.

    As to the “substance” of your tragic remarks, I didn’t say “fuck you” in my original comment to you, everything I wrote is true; you just need to see it as an attack in order to maintain your self-delusion.

    You may have grown up in what you consider a slum but, compared to the actual living conditions of many millions of people all over the world, you had it easy.

    Your “enemies” (note the violent and mistaken attitude, which is odd from someone that claims to have clarity) include many that have exactly the same attitude to the West or non-faithists as you do; that, plus your willingness to contemplate violent resolution – rhetorically at least, is why you have more in common with someone like Ahmedinejad than many other actors.

    I can’t speak for other people but personally I do support religious pluralism, just as much as I support my right to point out the endless contradictions and stupidities in these man made con tricks that achieve nothing but pointlessly divide people based on nothing and obscure any genuine reverence and spirituality.

    I didn’t think there was much to say in response to the original article. It has already been widely reported in Britain in the national media, never mind in online magazines, so it wasn’t news to me.

    Your presumption, for that is precisely what it is as you have no way of knowing what other people’s private thoughts are, that no comments equates to no interest is demonstrably false as what happens in Iran is much discussed and debated in many media. Perhaps there was nothing more to say in this one case? However, you clearly saw it as an opportunity to make your tediously mistaken attack points yet again and leapt at the opportunity with the hate-filled glee you are so deeply mired in these days.

    As to the many racist terms you spit out with such pretend rage, I’ve not heard any of those words used for many a long year. To know they are all nestling in that pit of confusion, resentment and anger in your mind is disturbing at least.

    It is also very odd to see how what ought to have been a happy sequence of events for you; your re-marriage, your re-discovery of your faith, your family, your emigration to your actual spiritual homeland, your brave move north out of Jerusalem, all these have brought you to this, spitting teenage rage at the readers of an online magazine for not reacting in the way you think they should…

    I wonder how many people, other than you of course because you have magical blinkers, see the tragic irony that the views of people that disagree with you are simply “throwing shit”, whereas your own views are righteous anger?

    Yes, I’ll support people’s right to believe any mad theory they want to, just as much as I’ll support my right to point out their shortcomings. Will you support my right to do that?

  • zingzing

    chris, just put your blinders on, because ruvy’s driving this horse (zebra) of a world into the gutter. in his self righteous anger (over what? being a jew, maybe, in a jew-hating world, as he sees it,) he’s just doing what he thinks is right. nevermind that it might lead all of us to annihilation. i don’t want to die for his beliefs, but it may just come to that.

    bomb iran, hate america (even though we liberals do that enough, and even if he is one of us), hate non-ruvy jews, just despise anything that doesn’t agree with ruvy’s “wisdom,” call everything that doesn’t subscribe to ruvyism a sham, because the torah codes declare all, etc. or some such nonsense.

    ruvy has a world unto himself. in that world, he is the supreme being. of course, g-d has a part in that world, but his version is so messed up that it allows for genocide and reflexive hatred. (there’s a lot of jokes i could make here, but i won’t.) (if ruvy asks me to, i will. and you can censor them. but i don’t wanna.)

    if anything would be good for the world, it’s mindsets like ruvy’s to be forgotten, but that ain’t gonna happen. because, luckily, we live in a world that doesn’t care and ruvy’s personality is just one of the many splendors of life. otherwise, we wouldn’t have the entertainment he brings.

    keep on keeping on, rueven. you’re a treasure of some world. just dunno which it is that you inhabit. luck has it that you weren’t born in mine.

  • Mark

    Well, Ruvy, I guess there’s not a whole lot more to say.

    zing — interesting word, wog

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I don’t know what’s so bizaree about this propaganda. It’s not more amazing than any that came out of the mouths of GWB or Cheney. Seems pretty standard.

    From August 24, 2009: On Friday, Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad floated a bizarre conspiracy theory: that any rape or torture of political prisoners in Iranian detention centers in recent months had been carried out by “enemy” agents, not the government.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    Ahmadinejad, Netanyahu, Osama bin Laden — make them all eat pork.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I must say Christopher Rose has outdone himself – in the best tradition of Jonathan Swift and the like. It’s been a pleasure.

    We all need Ruvys of the world to sharpen our satirical skills. So don’t disappear, Ruvy. Keep on coming back.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “He decided to go to a friendlier environment.”

    Actually, he decided to go an environment that paid, but why should you get facts right in this instance when you don’t take the time elsewhere?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    zing,

    If you have to explain your jokes, you’re in bad shape. If you think you have to explain mine, you are really in bad shape….

    You actually backed off on the racism, I see. I guess when someone puts out bottles of the hard stuff, labelled for what it is, it ain’t so pretty after all, is it?

    So you’re a southerner, and you’re NOT a racist….

    OKAAAAY….[stifling the laughter] Maybe the south has made some progress in the last five decades. I haven’t been there, so I wouldn’t know. But it sounds to me like you’re trying to sell us all a bridge and sell yourself a delusion.

    But you still wanna laugh at the joos and the hindoos and the bell ringin’ buddhists, eh? And we can’t ferget the Mormons with their magic underwear! They’re all soooo funny, right? Go ahead, dude, make us all laugh.

    And you are so sick. And your atttitudes are disgusting. They are trashy.

    Chris Rose (whom Roger praises all out of proportion, probably blowing Chris’ ego to a huge size – like a zeppelin) has got me all wrong. Chris isn’t seeing rage or anger. One does not get angry at trash. He is seeing contempt and disgust. Trash stinks. You sure you didn’t grow up in a trailer, zing? Aw come on! There is no shame admitting if you did….

    It is nice you actually backed off the racist stuff when you were confronted by it. If only you could get rid of your other trashy attitudes…. Then the stink of your comments wouldn’t come all the way to Samaria, the way they do now.

    Feh!!

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    You’re making excuses, Silas. The subject is Ruvy. The one and only. So let’s not lose sight of the fact

    More trash – from a whole different trash-can.

    Remember, one does not get angry at trash. Contempt for trash, holding one’s nose at it, yeah. Disgust at the stink? Definitely! But anger? Trash doesn’t rate anger….. And neither do you.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Cindy,

    Thank you for actually noticing the article, and for making contributions to it, and for going to Fariborz’ blog – (which I haven’t done yet, but will do tomorrow when I have the time). I have to see if he has connections with someone I know in J-lem who is an activist against the mullahs.

  • zingzing

    “If you have to explain your jokes, you’re in bad shape.”

    it wasn’t a joke, and it was pretty obvious what it meant. it was only you who somehow couldn’t figure it out.

    “You actually backed off on the racism, I see. I guess when someone puts out bottles of the hard stuff, labelled for what it is, it ain’t so pretty after all, is it?”

    i have no idea what you are talking about.

    “So you’re a southerner, and you’re NOT a racist…. OKAAAAY….[stifling the laughter] Maybe the south has made some progress in the last five decades. I haven’t been there, so I wouldn’t know.”

    if you haven’t been there in 50 years, you wouldn’t know. and not all southerners are or were racist. fun fact, that.

    “But it sounds to me like you’re trying to sell us all a bridge and sell yourself a delusion.”

    again, no idea…

    “But you still wanna laugh at the joos and the hindoos and the bell ringin’ buddhists, eh? And we can’t ferget the Mormons with their magic underwear! They’re all soooo funny, right? Go ahead, dude, make us all laugh.”

    i didn’t really even say anything about mormons. that was someone else. and i laugh at all religion, not any one in particular.

    “And you are so sick. And your atttitudes are disgusting. They are trashy.”

    that’s a ringing endorsement, coming from you.

    “You sure you didn’t grow up in a trailer, zing? Aw come on! There is no shame admitting if you did….”

    if i did, i would, but i didn’t. sadly. i’ve been in one before. kind of struck me like a permanent camping vacation.

    “It is nice you actually backed off the racist stuff when you were confronted by it.”

    again, i dunno what you’re talking about. i said nothing about race around here… just religion.

    “If only you could get rid of your other trashy attitudes…. Then the stink of your comments wouldn’t come all the way to Samaria, the way they do now.”

    never! my stink shall cover the earth. i’m just glad you know there are people like me out here.

    “Feh!!”

    feh, indeed, sir.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    So, zing, you are actually PROUD of having trashy attitudes that only raise my contempt and disgust.

    I’ll tell you what I tell others with your mentality, zing. Don’t come to my village mouthing your contempt for religion. My neighbors will knock your teeth out and I’ll have to rescue you from their righteous anger. I’ll add one other warning to that. Whatever you do, do not go to the Arab village (Sinjel) at the bottom of Levona mouthing your disgusting attitudes. There, not only will you lose your teeth, but you’ll probably get your throat slit as well – and I won’t be able to rescue you from the villagers’ righteous anger. Only Israeli soldiers are allowed to enter Sinjel. All other Israelis are banned.

  • zingzing

    “So, zing, you are actually PROUD of having trashy attitudes that only raise my contempt and disgust.”

    because they disgust you, i must be doing something right. and you are most obviously just thinking whatever you want to think of me. if you can point out one racist thing i’ve said here or any other place, i’d be interested to know how you came to such a conclusion.

    as for my opinions on religion, there’s nothing wrong with having or expressing such opinions, especially because i find religion to be detrimental to society, a force which keeps people apart and a dangerous set of beliefs that makes people hate and kill each other for no other reason. if i didn’t express myself, where would it leave me? i’d be a bad person for not doing so.

    “I’ll tell you what I tell others with your mentality, zing. Don’t come to my village mouthing your contempt for religion. My neighbors will knock your teeth out and I’ll have to rescue you from their righteous anger.”

    heh. you think lowly of me if you’d think i’d be that stupid. and you think lowly of your neighbors if all they can do is knock teeth out if confronted with an opinion that doesn’t fit with their own. but glad to know you’d rescue a damsel in distress.

    still, if someone cannot express a different opinion on religion without getting their teeth knocked in or throat slit, that’s where the problem lies. it’s a terrible thing. but that’s what religion does to people. it makes them intolerant and violent. which is why i dislike it so much.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

    And Silas said unto the multitudes let them eat pork.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “So, zing, you are actually PROUD of having trashy attitudes that only raise my contempt and disgust.”

    I have yet to hear a trashy attitude from zing, whereas you, Ruvy, happen to be full of ’em.

    And apropos your contempt and disgust, that’s the only kind of response a rational human being should wish from you. It your approval that one should avoid like a plague.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Including the likes of Ruvy, Silas?

    Whatever I might say, I would want to see Ruvy choke on it. I’m not that full of venom. That’s Ruvy’s specialty.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    It’s rather amusing that Ruvy would think all Southerners are racists. It’s displaying an incredible ignorance.

    He mustn’t have heard of a whole tradition of Southern writers from Faulkner to Thomas Wolfe and Truman Capote.

    I guess the Brooklyn boy had led a very sheltered life – apparently never ventured beyond the Williamsburg Bridge and the Delancey Street neighborhoods.

  • Clavos

    “It’s rather amusing that Ruvy would think all Southerners are racists. It’s displaying an incredible ignorance.”

    I’ve seen more than one commenter (always a damyankee) on these threads at least imply that, if not say it outright.

    I’ve come to regard it as the Yankee bigotry.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    I have yet to hear a trashy attitude from zing….

    If you root around in trash, you’ll be hard put to tell it from the good stuff, Roger.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    Not all Southerners are racist. Granted they’re more exposed than we are in the Northeast. You see, up here we perform our racism behind closed doors. We whisper in the shadows. We make snide comments but we would never allow ourselves to be viewed as racist outside the confines of our homes. That’s just not the Christian thing to do.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I shouldn’t say that I do, Ruvy. And for all his seemingly “trashy talk,” I find zing rather amusing and refreshing. And so you could be too if you only lightened up a bit.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    But lots has got to do with the educational level, Silas. There’s this odd idea that Southerners are uneducated and dumb. And so the charge of racism gets tacked onto it. I think that Clavos is right: it is more Yankee bigotry than anything else.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    But, Roger, these are the end days, there’s no time for lightness. We have a bit over three years to go and it all comes crashing to an end. Prepare for the way of the Second Coming.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    It’s rather amusing that Ruvy would think all Southerners are racists.

    I don’t think all southerners are racists – I don’t know all southerners. But I have found, that as I’ve gotten to know lots of white southerners (I haven’t really met black southerners, so I cannot speak intelligently at all about them), racism seems to slip out of them when they feel comfortable enough to express themselves without fear.

    I really cannot talk about the folks on this site – I don’t really know them at all – not even zing, whose opinions stink all the way to Samaria, even though I don’t know him. And the truth is, none of you really know me at all, either. None of you have met me, or sat down over a cup of coffee or even a beer. Of the bunch of you on this site, I can count three people who I could say know me. So, for the most part, your comments of what I’m like count for little more than speculations of ignorant fools.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    I agree, it is Yankee bigotry. Not all Southerners are dumb and uneducated. But that doesn’t justify saving the Union.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Silas,

    They’ve been predicting the advent and second coming times and times again. I say that if He comes, it will be like a thief in the night. Meanwhile, let’s live.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    …racism seems to slip out of them when they feel comfortable enough to express themselves without fear.

    SO TRUE. Here in the Northeast we would NEVER be caught in public saying a disparaging word. It’s just not American. Worse yet, it’s not Christian. Like the rest of humanity, we’re hypocrites. Deep down we’re just cave dwellers who’ve been spoiled.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    I try to communicate that which Christians have come to believe thanks to the Revelation to John on Patmos, Roger. There are writings from many cultures which speak to the end of days. And, of course, there are the calendars of the indigenous Americans which point to 2012. If this is to come to pass, so be it. I am ready to accept my fate and proceed to the next adventure for my spirit.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Silas,

    Lots of blacks are more comfortable with Southern ways than when they move North. At least they know what they’re up to there, so there are no surprises. But once North, they have to deal with duplicity.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I haven’t realized you’re being serious. To tell the truth, it makes no difference to me. Just try to live your days as though they were your last. What more could you do?

  • zingzing

    ruvy: “I don’t think all southerners are racists – I don’t know all southerners.”

    so why did you say as much a few comments ago? (“So you’re a southerner, and you’re NOT a racist…. OKAAAAY….[stifling the laughter].”)

    “So, for the most part, your comments of what I’m like count for little more than speculations of ignorant fools.”

    well, that one cuts both ways, doesn’t it? we can only go by what is posted here, and you’ve posted some pretty ridiculous stuff. i bet i have as well, but i do that on purpose.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Let it go, zing. You don’t want to brake his spirit.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    zing,

    YOU are the one who finds all religion laughable and worthy of contempt, not me. THAT attitude leads to riots and death camps, and in my book, it is racism because lots of religions encompass nationalities as well.

    THAT is why your attitudes stink all the way to Samaria, and why I find them so contemptible and trashy – and why, even though I do not really know you, I have contempt for you.

    Roger,

    As for literature, literature is nice – but all it is is literature. Once you close the book, reality, which is not literature and is very rarely even poetic, stares you in the face. And you don’t live a sheltered existence living on the streets in a Minnesota winter, no matter what you read – or don’t read.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I didn’t mean to put you down – it was a dig and I apologize. As to zing, I don’t think he has contempt for religion as such – just for what he regards as fanaticism concerning any and all beliefs. That’s different.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    It’s odd. It almost feels as though G-d had withdrawn his spirit from the world – people are just talking at cross purposes, intent on not understanding one another.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Roger, let zing speak for himself – he’s good at it. Don’t put a spin on what he writes. Read it as it reads – he finds all religions laughable. Those are his views. And views like that lead to death camps.

  • zingzing

    “YOU are the one who finds all religion laughable and worthy of contempt, not me. THAT attitude leads to riots and death camps, and in my book, it is racism because lots of religions encompass nationalities as well.”

    well, that’s going way off into a future that i’d have no part of, but whatever. and since i view all religion under one big umbrella, i’d have to hate every nationality on the planet. not that nationality is a race either…

    all that said, it’s not any particular religious belief that i have a problem with. if you really look at it, it’s the perversion and misinterpretation of religious beliefs by fanatics that is the real problem. most religions teach peace and love, not hate and war. how religion has gotten to this point, i’ll never understand.

    if religious beliefs are put towards charitable, humane, peaceful ends, they can actually be beneficial. and there are times when religion has been used to serve fine purposes. unfortunately, there’s also the side of religion that divides and destroys human lives. naturally, i don’t like that side of it. if that side didn’t exist, all my problems would disappear. as roger said above, it’s really fanaticism that i have a problem with, not the belief in a higher power.

    as a comparison, if drugs didn’t have any bad side, like addiction, gang violence, overdoses or the inability to operate heavy machinery, i’d be doing them all the time. unfortunately, the bad side of drugs comes with the good side, so i avoid them.

  • zingzing

    “Don’t put a spin on what he writes… views like that lead to death camps.”

    talk about spin, ruvy… you extrapolate racism and death camps from the simple fact that i think religion is extremely problematic. i didn’t mention any race whatsoever, and i never said that religious people had no right to express themselves. they just don’t have the right to kill others for their beliefs. now if i wanted to put people in death camps, wouldn’t that be a little at cross-purposes?

    i said above that “i have no idea how religion has gotten to this point,” but your ability to find the exact opposite of what is written in words just goes to show how people read “hate” when “love” is on the page.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    I don’t know if it’s as much “serious” as it is melancholy, Roger. This week I saw my father for the first time in 15 months. He is in advanced stages of Alzheimer’s and what I saw has had a profound effect upon me. One minute the father I know is there, the next he is in some mysterious place which he seems to retreat to more often than not. I see my Mom, his wife of 57 years, faithfully cater to him determined that she be allowed to care for him until she can do it no more. And in those moments this week I came to realize that he is probably closer to his end than I, nonetheless I know that I am closer to the grave than the cradle.

    It’s amazing – the memories that flood back. It’s amazing to watch my Mom accept her duty as the ever faithful wife. She’s a devout Roman Catholic who accepts “God’s Will” without question. I wish I could be that way but I can’t. This isn’t “God’s Will” — it is the natural process of life. My Mom’s faith sustains her, so who am I to try and convince her that what I believe is correct?

    I just see all this shit going on in the world and am getting more frustrated. Life is so damned short and people spend more time bitching about that which is not tangible. While I respect Ruvy, especially for his adherence to his faith, I’m sad for him. I’m sad for all those who have become so indoctrinated by their respective faith that they’ve forgotten we’re all cut from the same cloth. In the end, it really doesn’t matter which faith an individual chooses to follow. It is the quality of one’s life, one’s works and what one leaves behind. Sorry, I’m just emotional today.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    That’s what I tried to convey, Silas. We have enough headaches with the state of the world and where we’re going than trying to worry now about the advent or cataclysmic events.

    Things are dire as they are without any extra problems.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    as roger said above, it’s really fanaticism that i have a problem with, not the belief in a higher power.

    Maybe you are not that good at saying what you mean, after all, zing. If you have trouble with fanaticism, then go after it, satirize, attack it. Have a goyisher good time. But don’t attack religion or faith. They are very different from fanaticism.

    As it is you’ve made yourself sound like a racist who enjoys shitting on all religions – and with the way everyone was going after Mormons upthread, it looked like you were in your element. But I notice that when I threw racism at you – not ice or water on the side, either – you backed off begging off to attack religion instead. When I drew the logical conclusion that attacking religions leads to riots and death camps (it does), you backed off yet again.

    I know what I want to say. And I say it. Maybe you should think through what you want to say. And stop falling into the trap – “Ruvy said ‘x’ so ‘not x’ must be the case.”

    Really, man. It gets old.

  • zingzing

    “Maybe you are not that good at saying what you mean, after all, zing. If you have trouble with fanaticism, then go after it, satirize, attack it. Have a goyisher good time. But don’t attack religion or faith. They are very different from fanaticism.”

    so that’s what i said above… i’m not sure where you’re getting confused.

    “As it is you’ve made yourself sound like a racist who enjoys shitting on all religions – and with the way everyone was going after Mormons upthread, it looked like you were in your element. But I notice that when I threw racism at you – not ice or water on the side, either – you backed off begging off to attack religion instead. When I drew the logical conclusion that attacking religions leads to riots and death camps (it does), you backed off yet again.”

    but i never said anything racist whatsoever. so… i wasn’t backing off of that which never occurred. and i made it pretty clear that my problem with religion stems from the violence and hatred it breeds, and i haven’t backed off from that. and your “logical conclusion” has nothing to do with me. your logic is faulty, as i pointed out quite clearly above. i’ll state it again, in case you’re still having trouble: if what i desire is for people not to kill people because they hold different religious beliefs, how on earth could i justify killing off religious people? that’s what i am decrying…

  • zingzing

    as you stated above, if i walked into your neck of the woods and expressed my beliefs i would be beaten and/or killed. that’s sad.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Ruvy, you just can’t stop fooling yourself can you? Religion and faith are the epitome of fanaticism, unless you don’t absolutely believe in your religion’s dogma, in which case you’re just a foolish old hypocrite.

    You also try to equate opposition to religion to racism, which is a cute little trick, albeit completely bogus.

    Nor is it logical as you seem to believe, that attacking religion leads to riots or death camps. I’ll oppose the three intertwined strands of the monotheism delusion until the day I die or until some god turns up to claim his creation, whichever happens first, but I would never seek to oppress you in the sense you refer to.

    You don’t know what you’re saying at all. If you did, you’d make a lot more sense but, being locked in a world of incoherent and dated dogma, you’re just left looking daft or you’re going to go over the edge and become lethal yourself.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Cindy, Fariborz,

    As promised, I examined the blog site Rotten Gods. It was very informative, and has lots of important information. I saw no links to the student organization I am aware of, though I did see an Israeli name among the contributors to the site.

    Many of the stories in the blog site were stories we had picked up in Israel over the last few months. We are in the same neighborhood after all, and we are all concerned about what goes on in Iran/Persia. Every time I pass a shoe store, clothing dealer or rug shop (places typically owned by Persian Jews), I wonder how much information is filtering into the country via these people from their relatives in Tehran or Isfahan, relatives they’ve left behind in real danger.

    I’ll be keeping an eye on this blogsite in future.

    Thank you for the article, Fariborz. I feel bad that so few readers actually actually saw fit to comment here and am glad that Cindy did, as well as Roger.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    ASs for you, Chris and zing, you can keep whining over what I write – or not. I’ve moved on from your garbage, as you can see, to concentrate on more important things. Have a good day, both of you.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Yes, that’s right, Ruvy, we’re whining, not you, and everything you write here is so well balanced and healthy too. You really do put us to shame.

  • zingzing

    chris, let me translate from ruvy-speak into plain american for you: “i admit defeat in the face of reason.”

    right? right? sigh…