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Interview: Eric Olsen of Blogcritics.org – Part II

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Eric Olsen is the founder and publisher of BlogCritics.org, the website where a “sinister cabal of bloggers” roam and analyze and review and pontificate. In this second part of a long and expansive interview, Eric talks about his unique background and how it led him to create Blogcritics.org, the emerging forces of blogging and podcasting, and, last but not least, the future of former pop star and current oddity Michael Jackson.

You’ll find excerpts from the second half of the interview below. To listen to the full second hour, make your way to Dumpster Bust Radio: Podcast #10 (which will be available very soon!).

Check out Part I of the interview in print here, and the full audio version, available via podcast, here: Dumpster Bust Radio: Podcast #9.

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Eric Berlin: Do you have any advice for people thinking of starting a Web- or blog-based media company? I know that’s a bit of a tough question.

Eric Olsen: It’s really hard, because I freely admit that I just kind of stumbled onto this. And I had all kinds of advantages coming in. In other words, when I got into blogging in February 2002 [Blogcritics.org was founded in August 2002], I was older. I had been around, I had a lot of experience behind me. I had been a professional writer for 25 years. I had three books, and I had something of a “name” within the music criticism field. I have a background in radio and television.

So I had huge advantages. If you could design someone to get into blogging – at least from a broad-based perspective – you would find someone who is a really hardcore political operative who has a readable writing style and a nose for news. If you’re that, you can still pretty much jump into it and get real big, real fast.

Only a handful of people who have been at it for a shorter period of time who are further along than Blogcritics are either exactly the people I’ve described – people with stronger media or political connections than I have – or people who have money behind them.

Gawker didn’t just happen. Gawker has marketing money behind it. The same marketing money that’s behind Wonkette. And Gizmodo. Those three sites didn’t just happen, they’re not organic. And of course there’s resentment about that. And I’m semi-resentful, I suppose! Well, I don’t really care – I don’t see any of those sites as real competition.

The other thing that’s nice about the blogosphere as compared to other industries is that it’s not zero sum. It’s not like if you read me, you can’t read so-and-so. There’s only x number of sites that people can read, but if you’re in the Top 100, people will make time for you. I’ve always figured that the bigger the total pie, the better for me.

But back to your question, one of my advantages was that I had run a business before, one of the biggest DJing companies in Southern California all through the ‘80s. I had experience running a small business, a personality-driven business, which this is too.

One thing I write a lot about is the evolution of the Internet and blogging being a part of that. And then you add the element of podcasting as audio content on top of that. What are your thoughts on podcasting and the kinds of audio content that are now available – for free, on demand – from the Internet?

I think it’s really terrific. The only reason why I haven’t personally gotten into it is that I’m very frustrated by the fact that I couldn’t use whatever music I wanted to use. I’m really used to my radio background, where as long as I’m programming that show, I can play anything I want. As I understand it, they’re making licensing easier for podcasting than it is now.

I think there’s a real guerilla element to podcasting in broadcasting emerging artists and unsigned bands who are more than happy to have you take their stuff for free and broadcast it to 10 people or 100 people, whoever happens to tune into your particular show. And I see that as a way to, in a sense, go behind the backs of mainstream and corporate radio, who in many ways are dying or are already dead in terms of their flexibility in what they can play.

Absolutely! I one thousand percent agree with you. There is a major chain, in San Francisco, I believe…

KYOU, it’s called.

That’s right. It’s all podcasting, and that’s terrific! How much more do you need to say an idea has arrived? As far as breaking new talent, there’s always an enormous amount of it out there. But on a personal level, on a purely selfish level, due to my time constraints, there’s too much involved for me to cull through all of that unsigned or available material to find the stuff that I would want to play.

But podcasting has unlimited potential. It’s everything that radio could ever want to be. You can tell stories, you can be creative, you can do to talk, interactive talk, monologues – anything and everything you could want.

I collected a few questions from some of the Blogcritics regulars. Most of them have been addressed, but a Mr. Lono asks when Blogcritics writers can expect to be compensated for their contributions to the site.

[Laughs] That’s funny! I really feel that it’s a really good deal for people who are already doing something. That’s the key. It’s key for the people who already have their own blogs, the ones who care enough about their blogs where they want to reach a broader audience. Some high percentage of course, 90-95%, don’t really care who reads them. But for the people who do care – and that’s still an awfully high number if there are something like five million blogs out there — having ready access to a site that has vastly wider reach than their own site, that’s a good deal. That’s value. That’s compensation. We’re also providing increased search rank.

For Blogcritics, add in the fact that you have access to literally thousands of dollars worth of review material each year.

So we can tell Lono that he’s already being compensated.
Exactly. However, I will say that if and when we reach a level where the business model can support it, I would like to attach a monetary value for participation.

Let’s wrap up on a fun note and on something you’ve been writing a lot about. Where do you see things heading for Michael Jackson now that the trial is over?

I am a fan of his music. I don’t think he’s done anything particularly interesting, at least for the last ten-plus years. I like the single, “Black and White.” That was his last really big hit.

Wasn’t that Macaulay Culkin in that video? That was quite a while ago.

Oh yeah, that was in the early 90s, I think. We’re exactly the same age, by the way, to the month.

The talent is there. I could see him coming back, if he were able to reapply himself, to strip away all of the nonsense that has accumulated over the years. The strangeness of his personality and his lifestyle. If he can refocus on what he’s best at – being an artist, being a singer, being an entertainer. If he can mentally do that, then I certainly think it’s possible for him to make an artistic comeback.

Now would he be allowed to do that by the public? Certainly he would be outside the U.S. He still has strong support in parts of Europe – the UK, Germany, and Japan for sure feel very strongly about him. He’s kind of bigger everywhere aside from the U.S. Americans tend to be forgiving, but they have to be asked. And I don’t know if he’s willing to do that, and I don’t know if he’s capable of doing that. He hasn’t admitted to doing anything. Nothing.

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  • http://selfaudit.blogspot.com Aaman

    That was real fun! Maybe next time we can do a webcast!

  • http://selfaudit.blogspot.com Aaman

    I didn’t know Eric and Macaulay Culkin are the same age – hmmm

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    I believe Mr. Olsen is referring to MJ, not Culkin. If it’s unclear, blame me and a choppy edit from a transcript that likely runs at over 10,000 words.

    The audio version of the full second hour of the interview will be available in a day or two via the Dumpster Bust Radio podcast thing.

  • Bennett

    Good stuff guys. Interesting take on “the perfect person for the job”.

    You were born in ’58 EO? What month is MJ’s b-day? Just curious cause that’s MY year dammit.

    Thanks for the look behind the scenes.

  • Eric Olsen

    thanks EB, very nice editing job on a vast amount of material with me talking very fast and disjointedly as if being paid by the word, with bonuses for digression

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    It was my pleasure — interviewing you was a breeze because I had eons of time to come up with the next question! And thankfully, there were no time constraints… aside from the fact that my cell phone was about to die by the end of the two hour convo.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Thanks Bennett — I’m always fascinated by how people get to where they are, particularly in terms of writers and media folk. What’s constant is that everyone comes from a different place, and very often the more varied (and even bizarre) the experiences, the more it prepares for future success.

  • http://www.magicjunk.com/blog/ Mark Sahm

    Quite coincidental that MJ’s 1986 short film was called ‘Captain EO’, eh?

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    That’s hilarious, Mark. I saw that in Orlando, Florida (Epcot Center, I believe, with the 3-D glasses) when I was a scrappy 12-year-old kid.

    I honestly remember thinking at the time that it was odd that MJ likes to hand with the kiddies so much.

    That said, Captain EO is pretty damned good short film / music video / adventure type deal.

  • http://www.magicjunk.com/blog/ Mark Sahm

    EB: I shocked you actually saw it! Too funny. I forgot it was Disney related. I bet they’re not pitching that backlist item anymore.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Yeah, it’s too bad because it’s actually pretty good, as I said.

  • Eric Olsen

    August, ’58 Bennett, just had my birthday on Friday

    Captain EO WAS pretty good – that was Anjelica Huston as the bad guy I believe. They wouldn’t let me skip to the front of the line even with my initials. I wonder if MJ plays that in his basement over and over like Gloria Swanson

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Or like Howard Hughes and Ice Station Zebra?

  • http://www.magicjunk.com/blog/ Mark Sahm

    “aside from the fact that my cell phone was about to die by the end of the two hour convo.”

    EB: Just curious, but how did you record a podcast from a cell phone?

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Cell phone hooks up to a headset and to a laptop via a connector contraption available from RadioShack. Laptop records convo, then mixed into the rest of the show via Audacity, the software I use to create mp3 files.

  • http://www.magicjunk.com/blog/ Mark Sahm

    Very cool, I didn’t realize they made Audacity for Mac. I’ll have to check it out. Thanks.

  • Eric Olsen

    yes, thanks again EB!

  • http://www.mondoirlando.com Aaron, Duke De Mondo

    fantastic work here, both Eric’s! EB, you manage to make it read like what EO sounds, if that makes sense, which is difficult i’d wager, and EO, fantastic insights offered here.

    looking forward to the podcast version!

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    I just let EO do his thing, then transcribed what he said!

  • Bennett

    Nov 5, 58 here EO. Man… You’re old! ;-)

    Three months my senior and he thinks he runs things around here. Go figure.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    We (still) scrappy 31-year olds are envious of all of y’all expertise and Greater Wisdom…

  • Bennett

    Yeah, that and three dollars will get you a Latte…

    :-]

  • http://blogcritics.org/author.php?author=Cerulean Cerulean

    So I finally get to know who this mysterious Eric Olsen is. Good interview.

    Eric O., you do know that Michael Jackson is an icky serial child molestor, don’t you? Eeeeuuuuuuuuwwwwwwwwwwwww. Otherwise, kudos on starting this site.

  • Eric Olsen

    thanks Duke!

    Bennett, ’58 was a sweet year

    Cerulean, his relationship with boys has certainly been inappropriate if possibly not literal molestation, I don’t know. But thanks nonetheless

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    “If possibly not…” Yeah, and OJ is out looking for the real killers, too, right?

    ;-P

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Hey, OJ was hot in pursuit at a sports memorabilia event (that he crashed, uninvited) recently…

  • Bennett

    That and all the sand traps he’s searched, quite thoroughly mind you.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Well, after searching for murderers all day, a guy’s gotta kick back and get some holes in, right?

  • Eric Olsen

    or vice versa

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    EO, have you ever given any thought to becoming a black woman?

    You know, to balance out the universe in some way.

  • Eric Olsen

    I am left befuddled

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    That’s one of the oddest statements I’ve ever read, Phillip.

    And I LOVE it.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    Took several readings, but I get it now. Must be tired. Thanks, Phillip! I always enjoy humor with a stealth punchline.

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    Thanks, Eric B and Victor, I’m glad it was appreciated. I guess we’ll wait and see if Eric O figures it out, eh?

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    I actually didn’t figure it out… though I enjoyed it nonetheless.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    That’s the beauty. I could savor its pure surrealist candy coating until my brain subconsciously fumbled its way through to the logical chocolatey center of Phillip’s joke.

  • Eric Olsen

    ah yes, finally, had to go back farther – the universe would have to compensate me accordingly, of course

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    It seems to have compensated MJ, more or less.

  • Eric Olsen

    but more so BEFORE the change

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    True that. And it might have rubber-banded on him lately.

    Still, diddling kids is different from race-and-gender-reassignment. Different karmic rules.

    Don’t diddle kids and you should be okay.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Okay, I think I got it now.

    Which may have something to do with the five hours of sleep and the just completed Venti coffee…

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    Five hours is more sleep than I got — so the original setup could have been shakier than I realized!

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    I think the don’t diddle maxim still holds.

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    Indeed.

  • Eric’s Ego

    Neato! You were interviewed on your own website. What’s next? I know- maybe you can go masturbate in front of the mirror.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Oh, that’s just rude.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com Eric Berlin

    Yeah, not cool at all. Interview was completely my idea, and EO was kind enough to take me up on the offer.

  • http://www.templestark.com Temple Stark

    Eric O’s black woman persona is ego not correct at all – but I was in literal tears of laughter at comment 45.

    Funny. Sorry. Real funny.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Mileage varies. And what’s worse, the rude rat bastard used “neato,” which is a really keen word.

  • gonzo marx

    nifty!

    Excelsior!

  • MCH

    Re comment #45;
    Yo, Eric’s Ego…you’ve seen “Something About Mary” one too many times…

  • Eric Olsen

    Phillip, you may have to explain your joke.

    And maybenext time I’ll go all the way and interview myself

  • http://sussfr.blogspot.com Matthew T. Sussman

    Color me condescending, but why are we interviewing each other? I was taught in journalism class not to do this.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Same here, Mr. Sussman, but I suspect it was done in the service of giving people a peek behind the operation and founding of BC. Worthy intention.

    As to the joke, I don’t get it either.

  • Eric Olsen

    EB interviewed me for his show on his site – he shared with us here because he’s cool like that. Due to our unique set up, we have some interesting gray areas.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    I asked EO to come on my podcast (Dumpster Bust Radio #10, which published yesterday — I’ll post the link on the original story today) because I thought his take on blogging, media, the founding of Blogcritics, and other topics would make for an interesting interview.

    While it might be a tad “insular,” I think many Blogcritics members themselves don’t know the background/history of the site, and Eric’s role in that, so I do believe this lengthy interview offers people an opportunity to catch up, should they have the desire.

    And get this: this post is like any other on Blogcritics.

    If it’s not your bag, skip it.

  • Eric Olsen

    you tell ‘em

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    Oh, come on — it wasn’t that esoteris. My joke, that is, not Eric’s ego.

    See, Michael Jackson and Eric Olsen were born in the same month. MJ has morphed into a white woman over time, so I thought that maybe EO could morph into a black woman to help balance the scales.

    See, it’s not even funny now!

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    I could see a book called The Esoteric Ego shooting up the Times best seller list.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    Maybe with Deepak Oprah listed as the author.

  • Eric Olsen

    The EOteric Ego

  • http://sussfr.blogspot.com Matthew T. Sussman

    I’m not questioning the movies, I just observed and saw that the interview looked a little too cozy.

    Perhaps a static link to a story like this on the sidebar would be helpful to those interested about the site?

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Would you have liked for me to grill EO about his (alleged) drug mule days?

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    EOteric Ego… that’s fantastic

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    That’s the joke? IMO, that isn’t funny: The notion that Michael Jackson morphed into anything other that what or who he is to be pretty offensive. His looks have changed, true, but does anyone point fingers who sit under the sun for hours on end to look differently than before? And the “woman” bit is based on what — societally mandated gender roles? Ugh.

    Eric, have you heard MJ’s “Butterfly?” It’s gorgeous.

    Mr. Sussman, relax; this ain’t the New York Times. :)

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Natalie — For better or worse, people do point fingers at the sun-blasted folk who scald themselves under the sun (see: the old bizarre lady in There’s Something About Mary).

    Secondly, I don’t see anything offensive about poking fun at the fact that MJ has methodically disfigured himself over the years.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Mr. Berlin, the finger pointers aren’t saying that these people are trying to be something they are not. And of course mileage varies on being offended; I didn’t speak for anyone but me, as my IMO made clear.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Natalie (or Ms. Davis, if you prefer?): I looked more closely at your statement, and I think I see what you’re getting at.

  • bryce turpin

    Hi eric do you ever check your own website? e-mail me, bud.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com Eric Berlin

    Which Eric?

  • http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/08/08/140146.php bryce turpin

    Sorry, wrong Eric Olsen.