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BOSTON, U.S.A. – Shameful. Just absolutely shameful.

One blockhead here on the same site in which I blog actually wrote, before the election, that liberals needed to get even with conservatives because the latter accused the former of being unpatriotic. Well, gee, I wonder how we got that idea?

Let me give you a clue: If you profess to love your country, you don’t ever – EVER – burn its flag nor disgrace it in any way! Is that clear enough for you crybabies?

Yet, burning the American flag is exactly what anti-Bush protestors did during the inaugural parade.

The burning of the flag by American citizens is not freedom of speech – it is treason, and should be seriously treated as such. The military burns flags for disposal purposes, but that is the only instance in which a flag should ever be burned.

This reminds me of the protests in London during President Bush’s visit to Britain in November 2003. The protest leaders – most of them associated with the pathetic, Stalin-worshipping, Osama-excusing Stop the War (consider that they formed only nine days after September 11) – assured everyone, oh no, this won’t be an anti-American protest. We’ve nothing against Americans. This is a protest against Bush only. And how did the Great Unwashed finish their protest rally in Trafalgar Square? That’s right – they burned an American flag. So much for being free of anti-Americanism.

Considering that the “Americans” protesting against Bush during his rightful inauguration have so much more in common with the likes of the socialists of Stop the War than your average, income-earning citizen, it’s hardly a surprise, but it makes for a sickening display of unpatriotic sentiment all the same. Bush is our President! If you disgrace the office of the presidency, you disgrace America. Like, oh, what’s his name? Begins with a C … you know, the guy during whose reign true patriots, as Bush referred to in his inauguration speech, “took a sabbatical?”

But we won’t mention that, shall we? No, sexual shenanigans being performed in the Oval Office while Al-Qaeda makes their plans to humiliate America via 9/11 doesn’t constitute a crime. But Bush’s total transformation of Afghanistan and his efforts to transform Iraq in much the same vein does? Oh please, stop the world, I want to get off!

Bush gave a great inaugural speech today. It was a total affirmation of the President’s beliefs in international democracy, in freedom, in liberty. As he said, you cannot have faith in your own democracy while others across the world are crying for theirs.

And do these Lefties ever consider what a gentleman Dubya really is at heart? Richard Nixon hated his enemies and had a vindictive nature, so the vitriol aimed at him was understandable (if warped). But when asked about the protestors saying that he should be impeached and jailed for war crimes, Bush simply smiles and says, “Ain’t democracy a wonderful thing?” He smiles and waves at them all the same. He doesn’t harbor even a lousy ounce of hatred toward his detractors as they have in great tidal waves for him.

God bless you, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condolezza Rice, et al. Do America right and proud.

At the end of the day, I suppose the ultimate punishment for these Canuckistani wannabes is simply this: FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

Go get ’em, Mr. President!

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  • Neal

    You can’t be serious.

  • Mark,
    The flag is a piece of cloth. The only reason you should be arrested for burning it is if you are being unsafe about it. I think you just need to take a deep breath and relax. If you added any more exclamation points to that post then I think blogcritics would have to take the “superior” out of “A sinister cabal of superior bloggers”.

  • 4 exclamation points are to many? If that’s the case I’m screwed, I use that many at the end of one sentence!!!!

    I saw a lot of question marks, of course Mark won’t get any serious answers to those questions.

    Unfortunately, it is there right to burn my flag. A right they were born to, but most haven’t earned.

    Good post MEM!

  • bhw

    A uniter, not a divider.

  • Eric Olsen

    I would say this is a fascinating dipole to Natalie’s post on the same subject – shows how far apart you can be and yet coexist more or less peacefully.

    Personally, i would reserve use of the word “treason” for much more serious and damaging action than desecrating a symbol. I would not give those who would express such contempt for national symbols the satisfaction of acknowledging their actions. I hve found it generally best to ignore my childrens’ temper tantrums until they become dangerous.

  • bhw

    Unfortunately, it is there right to burn My flag. A right they were born to, but most haven’t earned.

    We don’t EARN our rights in this country, Andy. There’s no class to take or test to pass before any citizen has the full set of rights [well, not anymore, anyway].

    Freedom of speech is precious indeed, especially political speech. That’s the kind of expression the first amendment was designed to address, in particular. The flag has to be free game in a free society. It just does.

    And it’s not Your flag. It’s everyones.

  • MINE MINE MINE!

  • Oh come on, surely you can find something better to criticize than burning the flag.

    I find myself more offended by some of their trite chants and meaningless slogans and the banal fearmongering of their speeches.

    Their offense isn’t treason, it’s the inability to accept change, move forward and try to do good for the country.

    Dave

  • It’s Friday bhw, I’m not gonna get riled up today.

  • bhw

    I think you shot your wad, so to speak, yesterday, anyway.

  • bhw

    I find myself more offended by some of their trite chants and meaningless slogans and the banal fearmongering of their speeches.

    Yes, I tired of the Republicans during the campaign, too.

  • I did kinda put my foot in my mouth, but hey, it was SOOOOOO tasty!!!

  • The American Legion burns flags any chance they get.

    What bastards. Treason. TREASON.

    Personally, I would never want to watch someone burn the American flag – it is an important symbol to me. But burning the flag is a symbolic act about a symbol. I’m sure you would rather they burn themselves??

    OT –
    This politics column is just getting to be one small outrage after another. Grow up people. Or at least, as recommended above – take a deep breath.

    We should be limited to one or two outrages a day. Can’t Phillip install an outrage-o-meter to get things under control. 😉

    It could be after all that they just like to watch things burn. Yes, burn. Watch those dancing flames, crackle rise higher and higher and higher, forcing paths of smoke away in invisible currents of … oh, where was I?

    !!!!! !!!!! !!!!!

    Your other gentle blogcritics are trying to tell you – and others – that you’re going over the top – and yet that rarely seems to alter behaviour.

    We still get !!!!!outraged!!!!! posts like this. Remember when in doubt use a well-placed “fuck” instead of lame exclamation points. Or …..

    And yes, if I sit just so I can talk out of my butt – with a Gaelic brogue.

  • Eric Olsen

    my concern is not the presence of rants: this is a blog, if you can’t rant here, where can you rant? My concern is the confusion of opinion and fact, or the presentation of one possible interpretation of fact as fact. We need to clearly distinguish between opinion and fact so that we may be a reliable source of information and not be the boy who cried “fact” when in fact we are crying “opinion.”

    Beyond that, rant away.

  • Now I have to let facts get in the way? Damn…that sucks!

  • Yeah yeah, I know, why start now.

  • Eric Olsen

    with awesome power comes awesome responsibility, or something like that per the ghost of Cliff Robertson

  • bhw

    I thought Spiderman’s uncle Ben says that.

  • and who played Uncle Ben?

  • Need a hint?

  • Eric Olsen

    you know, the guy who got the Academy Award for playing a really smart moron

  • Personally, i would reserve use of the word “treason” for much more serious and damaging action than desecrating a symbol.

    I agree, like “outing” a CIA field operative (which is treason according to the law of the land)… but wait, a republican did that so it’s okay.

  • bhw

    I haven’t seen the Spidey movies. My daughter has an early-reader Spidey book.

  • I figure that those blogcritics who live in a constant state of outrage will probably drop dead from heart attacks soon anyway, and then the ranting will come to an end.

    All that rage just can’t be healthy.

    Dave

  • JR

    My concern is the confusion of opinion and fact, or the presentation of one possible interpretation of fact as fact. We need to clearly distinguish between opinion and fact so that we may be a reliable source of information and not be the boy who cried “fact” when in fact we are crying “opinion.”

    That’s what the comments are for. It’s called “peer review”. I think it’s working great!

  • Eric Olsen

    while that is certainly true, that doesn’t mean it isn’t critical for our posts to stand on their own as the vast majority of readers don’t bother with comments

  • spiderleaf – I missed the story about who “outed” the operative. Do you have information that I haven’t seen?

  • It was Robert Novak… I’ll hunt down the links.

  • Those links don’t answer the question of WHO leaked the identity, just that it was leaked.

  • My concern is the confusion of opinion and fact, or the presentation of one possible interpretation of fact as fact.

    Eric, I assume when I come to a site called “BlogCritics” and learn that the posters are critics (however superior or sinister) that opinion is what’s being offered.

    To be frank, I go elsewhere when I’m looking for news, and another site entirely when I’m seeking facts. This is where I come for a free-wheeling opinion mill. So I say, rant on! Abuse those bangs!!!!

  • Eric Olsen

    that’s fine, but a rant in the guise of news is disingenuous; and a rant supported by fact is very different from one not so supported

  • Look Eric, I took enough heat yesterday, quit talking about me already! 😉

  • Andy, the WHO I don’t know because Novak refuses to say, but from what I’ve heard it was a high-level WH official… but like I said, I don’t know.

  • Eric Olsen

    Andy, as with most things, your particular circumstance was just a catalyst into a much larger issue that needed to be addressed in much broader terms – really.

  • Eric – I was joshin’ you! I feel the love around here EVERY day. It’s all good and I hope I’ve learned something from it. Maybe some others have as well.

  • Eric Olsen

    just making sure; especially via the nuance-free Internet, I have learned to not make assumptions

  • back to the flag/treason issue.

    it totally creeps me out when a piece of cloth is raised to the level of a religious object.

    if i love my country i shouldn’t burn a flag?

    since when did you get the right to tell me how i can love my country, how i can be patriotic?

    bush has no need of harboring hatred toward his detractors, as you and many, many people just like you are more than willing to fill that role.

  • No Mark ,you shouldn’t burn the flag, but luckily you live in a country where you can, if you so desire. You actually see flag burning as patriotic?

  • no, what i’m saying is that burning a flag is not equivalent to “i hate my country”.

  • bhw

    Well, it’s not necessarily equivalent to that. I could be “I hate my country.”

  • Eric Olsen

    I think the typical assumption would be that it means “I hate that country” (not only Americans burn it) – what else could it mean?

  • It could mean, this flag is really old and I need to dispose of it in the proper way. But probably not.

  • bhw

    It could also mean, “WHat this flag once stood for is gone,” or some such.

  • Eric Olsen

    but ready to return phoenix-like from the ashes through the very act of immolation?

  • how about “i’m very much not liking what my country is doing at the moment”

    gees, this realy isn’t all that black & white.

  • Eric Olsen

    but I don’t think such an utter symbolic rejection as burning the national symbol implies an unhappiness linked to temporality – it seems much more a total rejection to me: not “this, this and this are broken and need fixing,” but “I reject this and all it stands for outright.”

  • re: comment 3
    4 exclamation points are to many?

    I actually counted 7. I guess that’s not too many. I think it was the bold text and capitalization that threw me off. Regardless, that was a bit of an ad hominem attack on Mark. I take it back, you are definetely in a superior cabal MEM :).

    To clarify, I wouldn’t burn a flag. I think it’s a stupid way of expressing yourself. And the people who did this probably don’t like America and should find a more mature way of expressing that. But treason? Come on. It may represent America, but it’s still just a piece of cloth.

  • JR

    andy marsh: spiderleaf – I missed the story about who “outed” the operative. Do you have information that I haven’t seen?

    Dude, now you’re just being willfully ignorant. You made the same comment here and I posted a link to the actual column in Comment 2.

    You keep repeating yourself like that and people are going to start doubting you’re really only 29…

  • A 29 year old who was in the military for 20 years…

  • I have 16 years experience at being 29!

  • I told you I was a very very experienced 29.

  • bhw

    “I reject this and all it stands for outright.”

    I can see it being a “what it stands for now and where it’s going….”

    When I see images of Americans burning the flag, it doesn’t really bother me. I guess I think it’s a little [melo]dramatic.

    But when I see angry mobs in other countries doing it, it bothers me a lot.

  • JR

    A 29 year old who was in the military for 20 years…

    Maybe he’s Liberian. I thought he said Libertarian, but maybe I misread.

  • “And do these Lefties ever consider what a gentleman Dubya really is at heart?”

    Do you mean by “at heart” judging him by what he “says” or what he “does”?

    It’s fine that he says “ain’t Democracy great?”, but it’s not so gentlemanly that people wearing unfavorable t-shirts aren’t even allowed in his presence. It’s fine that he talks about preventing tyranny, it’s NOT fine that he allows the US to snatch people and hide them away for torture and life imprisonment without trial. If “liberty” allows torture and imprisonment without trial, it kind of loses the distinction from “tyranny”.

    I could support an effort to spread democracry around the world, I can’t support expanding hate and war around the world in the NAME of democracy.

  • Eric Olsen

    I support support except where it is unsupportable, and for this I expect your support.

  • support this!

  • bhw

    Support my ASS!!!

  • You’re not getting a lot of support here Eric!

  • Eric Olsen

    is your ASS the religion of peace?

  • Depends on what I had for dinner last night!

  • This is not only unsupportable, it’s also insufferable and insurmountable.

  • Must be Friday, getting goofy around here!

  • bhw

    A good piece of ass is like a religion!

  • Eric Olsen

    that reminds me of the Rascals album title, Time/Peace

  • a good piece of ass can make one call to god!

  • Eric Olsen

    one branch of Buddhism believes God is revealed during sneezes and orgasms

  • bhw

    Aren’t they the same thing?

  • So what do you see if you sneeze in the middle of an orgasm?

  • Eric Olsen

    THE DUALITY OF ALL THINGS

  • Sounds almost as good as what the dali llama gave bill murray

  • comment 71 must be about a movie, but not having seen the movie, I have to say the sentence reads pretty funny when you consider the current theme of the thread is orgasms.

  • Caddy Shack!

  • bhw

    I have taught my 6-year-old when to say, “Did somebody step on a duck?”

  • Mark Saleski: “no, what i’m saying is that burning a flag is not equivalent to ‘i hate my country.'”

    Oh, yes it is. Sorry, Mark, but it is definitely the equivalent. Why the hell would you burn your country’s flag – with all the blood, sweat and tears that it took to build this nation and protect it through numerous wars that it represents- if you don’t hate your country?

    I’m not saying that you do. I’m just asking, why would you? Give me one good reason why a true patriot would burn the flag?

  • bhw

    I’ve already done that.

  • nope, it’s not the equivalent and your repeating that it does does not make it so.

    let’s see, as a patriot i am deeply disturbed with the direction our foreign policy has take us. burning a flag is one way of making that statement.

    since when did dissatisfaction with the goverment become equated with hatred of the entire country?

    the blood, sweat and tears were spent protecting what the flag is symbolic of.

    there are many forms of patriotism. just because i don’t genuflect before yours doesn’t make me a bad person or a hater of this country.

    by the way, i’ve never burned a flag.

  • “has take” = “has taken”

    dangit.

  • Joe

    I believe the term you’re looking for is “Ungha galungha.”

  • “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.” (Protestant version)

  • Never ever read this buzzed. Even slightly: – I have taught my 6-year-old when to say, “Did somebody step on a duck?”

    Because your head will hurt immediately.

    Reference?

  • bhw

    Seriously?

    Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack. Funniest fart joke ever.

  • Shark

    Manning, just wanna point out that AT THIS VERY MOMENT —

    …Shark is lighting a joint with a small, burning American *flag.

    * made in China, purchased at WalMart, by the way…

  • Shark

    PS: What’s the bigger “disgrace”:

    a) — burning a flag?

    b) — the president taking a nation to war based on lies and a lust for oil?

  • Shark: “Shark is lighting a joint with a small, burning American flag.”

    That’s gotta make the joint taste pretty bad. I’d stick to cigarette paper.

    That actually reminds me of the movie 1969 where Robert Downey Jr.’s character lights up a joint – you can clearly see that it’s Stars and Stripes paper!

  • Shark, I’d say the bigger disgrace are people who actually believe that the war was about a lust for oil. They said that about the First Gulf War too. I swear, if these people who cry “no blood for oil” every single time America does something in the Middle East, the rape of Kuwait would have gone unpunished.

    Oh, and please remember, sanctions kill!

  • ** I swear, if these people who cry “no blood for oil” every single time America does something in the Middle East, the rape of …

    I meant to put “had their way” in between “East,” and “the rape”. Sorry. Must be all the smoke from Shark’s joint affecting me. Or the codeine I took for my aching body after shovelling all the snow from the blizzard. *g*

  • To be consistent on this anyone who thinks burning the flag is a diagrace must also say wearing skidmarked Stars and Stripes boxers is equally obscene. Someone is literally shitting in the flag and wiping their ass with it.

    Or the stars and bars up a crack, droplets of pee soaking in to the material?

    Stars and bars bandanas. Old Glory band-aids? Starred and striped anything that’s not a 4 x 5 scale banner should all be part of that constitutional amendment some hold dear to their bleeding patriotic hearts.

    But nobody is so consistent so it all rings false.

  • SFC SKI

    “The flag is a piece of cloth.” To you, maybe, but not to me. I have saluted that flag in peace and war, and laid it over the coffins of those who served under it, not to say that vets have any more “right” to the flag than any other citizen, but it sure means a lot to us, and we have more occasion to visibly celebrate it and honor it in the course of our duties than most civilians do, maybe that is why it causes an emotioonal response in ,any of us. I sometimes feel like the only time flag-burners take notice of the flag is when they want to use it to make a statement, otherwise it is as unnoticed as any rag blown by the wind.

    That said, flag-burning is a right enjoyed by Americans that I would not take away from them; however, I do think that it has become a bit overused and expected, like the half-time show or Santa showing up at a Christmas party, “It’s not a real protest unless somebody burns a flag”.