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“There has been no crime committed, so why is there a criminal investigation three weeks prior to a very important election?” -Tan D Nguyen

Pointing out that illegal residents are committing a criminal offense if they vote illegally is itself a “hate crime,” according to Governor Schwarzenegger. Nguyen’s campaign headquarters, his home and a staffer’s home were searched by California Department of Justice investigators.

I’m about half a dozen kinds of disgusted over the caterwauling over the Tan Nguyen “anti-immigrant” letter. I’m not sure which is worse, but I’m probably more disgusted by the pure dishonest cowardice of the Republicans than the typical opportunistic race baiting by the Democrats.

Tan Nguyen (a naturalized citizen immigrated from Vietnam) is the 2006 Republican candidate for US House of Representatives running in California’s 47th district against the incumbent Democrat Loretta Sanchez. A few days ago, a letter went out in Spanish to approximately 14,000 people in the district from Nguyen’s campaign stating that voting by illegal immigrants is a crime for which they could face arrest.

Immediately, everyone in the vicinity went nuts, declaring Nguyen unfit for office and demanding that he quit the race. Of course, you expect this kind of nonsense from the opposition party and their tools in the press, but he’s been hit even harder by Republicans. The county party has officially and publicly called for his withdrawal, and Governor Schwarzenegger says “I think it was one of the worst letters that anyone could send out and I think those kind of tactics (are) illegal. It is a hate crime and I think that anyone who knew (about it), if he knew, has to resign immediately.”

On top of which, various police forces are investigating this supposed “hate crime.” According to Associated Press reporter Peter Prengaman, “Complaints about the letters this week prompted a state probe, and a spokesman for California’s attorney general said investigators had been questioning people in Orange County. U.S. Justice Department spokeswoman Cynthia Magnuson said the department’s civil rights division was investigating in coordination with the state attorney general’s office.”

Nguyen is accused of hate crimes and violations of the Voting Rights Act and of killing Palestinian children to use their blood in baking cookies. No wait- that’s the Hebrews. I think the Vietnamese eat dogs, or is that just the Koreans? I get confused.

But Nguyen is seriously being treated as a pariah and under criminal investigation primarily because he (or his office staff on his behalf) sent out a letter that said in Spanish that “if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time.”

But what he said there is absolutely legally correct and proper. There have been numerous likely sounding stories of Democrat operatives actively recruiting illegal Mexican immigrants to vote. There’s been big opposition by Democrats in other places besides California to any idea of simply requiring voters to show photo ID at the polls, exactly because it would discourage their minions from hussling non-eligible people into voting booths.

Further, it is suspected that exactly such voting was how Ms Sanchez skinned ol’ B1 Bob Dornan out of this seat in the first place, back in 1996. Considering that this has been a tacit Democrat tactic, it’s only reasonable that the Republican candidate give people a general notice that such things are illegal – because they are.

Now, there’s one point of reasonable contention against the English translation of the statement: immigrants who are naturalized citizens have every right to vote. A Nguyen lawyer suggests that this is an issue of the translation of the word “emigrado,” and who is or isn’t covered by that word. But the point of the Nguyen operatives clearly is not to intimidate eligible voters, but the far more numerous ineligible residents. But being exquisitely sensitive, you might argue over the exact parsing of that. Perhaps a Spanish linguist could argue the finer points of that one specific word.

In any case, it’s just plain demagoguery for Democrats to label stating facts as “racism” much less as something specifically illegal. I doubt Mr Nguyen cares about their ethnic background, he’s just opposed to vote fraud being committed against him.

For my part, as a Libertarian I tend to at least want to favor open borders. I don’t like the Minutemen group, and I don’t know how much I would agree with Tan Nguyen on a lot of issues. A brother Blogcritic makes a seemingly pretty strong general argument against Nguyen as a mere political opportunist.

Particularly though, he seems to be somewhat anti-immigration. Even recognizing that there are legitimate issues about massive undocumented Mexican immigration causing some strains on the US social fabric, you have to be sympathetic to folks mostly just trying to make an honest living- whether it’s nominally “legal” or not.

But voting is something else. If you’re not even supposed to be here, don’t compound it with voting fraud. Look, if you’re not a citizen and don’t even know the language, what legitimate business have you got to be voting? How would they even begin to have a clue what they were voting for? There are way too many people voting as it is.

Of course, the most likely scenario is not that a bunch of Mexican illegals would take initiative to do such things, but rather that they would get roped into it by Democrat get out the vote efforts. Hey there Juan, all you need to know is to pull the lever with the big “D” for “Democrat.”

But then to try to mark the opposition candidate as a racist and criminal disgrace for simply pointing out that this is illegal is moral pretension of a particularly dishonest order. Perhaps you’d like to argue that illegal residents should be allowed to vote. You can bring that proposal before the elected legislature, and see how much popular support you can garner for your beliefs. Change the law. I might even would vote for that.

But the most distasteful part of this little passion play has been the absolute moral cowardice of the Republicans. The county party has asked for Nguyen’s resignation as a candidate, and Governor Schwarzenegger and the GOP state chair have renounced him. They have to know better than this nonsense, but they’re so afraid of being called “racists” that they’d stab their own candidate in the back.

Indeed, they all immediately rushed to out-denounce him over top of the Democrats and media. Oh, their plaintive cries of tender racial piety! It’s a particularly gutless girly-man move for the great fearless Governator Ahnold to be calling this letter a “hate crime.”

In all of this disgrace though, I have to give some credit to Tan Nguyen himself for re-instating the campaign worker specifically responsible for the controversial letter. He initially fired her from his staff, saying that he had not approved that letter. But in the midst of this demagoguery, he gave the letter another look and decided that there was nothing wrong with it, and asked her to come back. That’s easily the most honorable act of this cheap drama.

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  • Nancy

    From what I can tell, Nguyen isn’t anti-immigrant, he’s anti-ILLEGAL, which is a whole ‘nother kettle of fish. In which case I say, Good For Him! We should ALL be anti-illegal, if only because we support law & order. I hope he wins in spite of the odd-bedfellow coalition of pro-illegal organizations who’d like to be able to influence if not steal outright the elections, and the GOP who are intent on punishing a guy who refuses to be their puppet & patsy. Actually, it seems to me Nguyen has the REAL, genuine conservative spirit. Good for him; I hope he wins.

  • Nancy

    And it seems to me Ah-nuld has imbibed too much of the politically correct spirit from his Kennedy wife; he’s turning into a girly-man himself, ethically.

  • DK

    Where is this so-called “office manager”? You would think that investigators would know who this person is by now.

    Apparently, according to today’s news, Mr. Nguyen was the one who bought the list of voters (specifically, voters who were Democrat, had Spanish surnames, and born outside the US). If the letter is legit, why doesn’t Mr. Nguyen just admit his involvement? Let’s be real, this letter came out of his campaign. There is no way that Mr. Nguyen did not know about it. Office manager? Can you seriously buy that?

    So, if Mr. Nguyen knew about it, who’s Sergio Ramirez? Why didn’t Mr. Nguyen just put his letterhead and name on the letter?

    Is this part of the letter true also? “…be advised that the US government is installing a new computer system to verify names of all the newly registered voters who participate in the elections in October and November. Organizations against emigration will be able to request information from this new computerized system”.

  • Jody

    I agree with Tan Nguyen. He is just trying to right a wrong in the first place. The people trying to make it possible for illegal immigrants to vote in our election is hurting the legal citizens of the USA! It makes me wonder what these people are really up to!

  • PJ

    Voter intimidation falls is illegal in this case the company nguyen used to gather voter information has told investigators that nguyen personally asked for registered democrats with hispanic sounding surnames.

    Voter intimidation has nothing to do with hate crimes or PC. Arnold is the only one using these terms. Law enmforcement is using the terms Voter intimidation and Racketeering. And yes California has laws against Voter intimidation.

    The reality here is that Tan Nguyen chose a select group rather than sending out the info to all registered voters republican and democrat.

    that is why OC Party Chairman Scott Baugh is maintaining his callls for Tan to step down.

  • Nancy

    Sending out literature via the mails is expensive. You don’t carpet an area sending unnecessary mailings and wasting postage if you can target the appropriate audience; this is SOP for any and all mass mailings these days. Since in California the persons most likely to be involved in or as illegal voters are Hispanics (to date the vast perponderance of fraudulent votes by illegals has involved Hispanics), why would he target any other audience? It’s kind of like the stupidity of patting down 90-year-old ladies at the airport as potential terrorists, instead of targeting males age 16 – 50 who are most likely to be the Real Thing.

  • Bob Vu

    Good point:
    “The reality here is that Tan Nguyen chose a select group rather than sending out the info to all registered voters republican and democrat.”

    If Mr. Tan had sent out 10,000 letters in Vietnamese language, he would be driven out of dodge, oops, “Litle Saigon” by his fellow Viet-Americans.
    It’s a fact that Mr. Tan has a hidden agenda.

  • JoePro

    The letter was clearly meant to be intimidating. Besides claiming that it is illegal to vote if you are an immigrant (it does not say illegal immigrant), it also falsely claims that a government database is being set up to record immigrant voters and anti-immigrant groups will be able to access this database. See it here

    This type of voter intimidation is outrageous and illegal.

  • LG

    Before you rant you should get the facts straight. The letter said, “You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time.” I speak and read Spanish and have seen the Spanish text. This translation is correct. Now, it’s pretty apparent that he is saying if you are an immigrant that voting could result in jail time. He also stated that your name would be put in a database and sent to anti-immigration groups. That my darling is not only a threat but it is illegal. You cannot threaten voters – it is against the law. That is why there is a criminal investigation. I am amazed that you link out to everything but the letter itself. But of course how could this ridiculous rant make any sense if you had the actual facts.

    I also love how you cite that Democrats haul illegals off to vote for them. That’s just precious. Of course there’s no link to that because it would probably only lead to O’reily(pervert), Rush(dopehead), or some other equally vile pundit.

    Orange County has already been in trouble for intimidating latinos at the polls. Do you honestly think an illegal alien could vote there? Have you voted in CA, do you know the process. All this does is stir up predjudice. BTW – Tan was a “boat person” – he was an illegal immigrant. Hypocrite.

    I am just disgusted that this stupid platform has resonated with so many republicans. I have never seen a group of people so ready to vote against the things that frighten them nor a group that is frightened so easily.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    JoePro- surely Nguyen’s letter is meant to be “intimidating” to people not eligible to vote, in much the same way that the local convenience store is “intimidating” visitors with signs that say “shoplifters will be prosecuted.” Why would that be a bad thing? Is it your position that telling non-eligible people that it would be against the law to vote is wrong?

    I don’t know or understand about this “database” business or the fine points of California election law, but voting records are generally considered public information. Is that not the case in Cali? If so, they would be available to anti-immigration groups- and to the ACLU, NRA, CIA or anyone else interested.

    Bob Vu, what exactly is this supposed “hidden agenda” of Nguyen’s? If you mean that he’s really for cracking down on enforcement of immigration laws, that’s already the centerpiece of his public campaign. Did you have somethng else in mind?

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    LG- The fact that you’re really disgusted doesn’t mean that you’re right, or that you’ve got even a half-reasonable point. It is surely NOT illegal or even midly unethical to tell people that it is illegal to do something that is in fact illegal.

    Now, you can argue over the parsing of the point about naturalized citizens being allowed to vote. Perhaps the letter was slightly sloppy on that point, giving the opposition a marginal legitimate point of grievance. Again though, the point of what they’re trying to do was clearly NOT to stop legitimate voters, but to scare off those who are not in fact supposed to be voting.

    But really, if they had clearly and specifically stated that naturalized citizens do have a right to vote, would you have been ok with the rest of it? I thought not.

    I’m not a Republican, and I’m generally much more sympathetic to open border arguments than to anti-immigration efforts. Still, that’s nothing to do with the point in question, ie this letter. Also, anti-immigrant sentiments are not particularly a Republican thing. They seem to resonate nearly as well among independent and Democrat voters.

    You may not like Tan Nguyen, the Republican party, or his positions on immigration policy. I wouldn’t defend any of those things. None of that, however, makes it illegitimate for his campaign to tell people that voting fraud is a criminal offense.

  • PJ

    “Since in California the persons most likely to be involved in or as illegal voters are Hispanics”

    That fails to adress why onl;y democrats received these emails.

    and sorry the Email is too expensive excuse just won’t cut it in court

  • PJ

    Once again the recipients were Resgistered Democrats only!! these letters were not sent to Republicans with spanish sounding surnames, Only to democrats.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    PJ, I don’t know why Nguyen would need any “excuse” about who he was targeting for this mailing. Why would it be a scandal that he sent such a letter only to known Democrats- if that was in fact even the case? Would you feel better about this letter if they had sent it to every household in the district?

  • Mohjho

    This letter was sent to democrats from a republican to try to confuse and intimidate registered voters into not voting. It is illegal and a lie and the republican machine knows this. That is why the republicans called for Nguyen to withdrawal from the race. Wake up Al.

    The hate crime thing is just Arnold being Arnold.
    Not much we can do about him.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    Mohjho, you carefully take the wording of the Nguyen letter in the worst way, and then carefully make the worst possible assumption (that Nguyen is trying to intimidate legal voters)- despite the fact that the obvious point of the letter would be to scare off ILlegals. There’s just no evidence of intent to deceive, and the obvious likely point (preventing vote fraud) is perfectly legitimate. You’re simply determined to make it sinister, even despite any actual facts.

  • steve

    Tan was only calling for a fair election…i.e. no illegal immigrants trying to vote for a democratic immigrant sympathizer with mexican ancestry. He could have addressed the issue in a more politically correct sense…but if you look at Tan…here is a guy from Vietnam. He came here legitimately and built his own american dream. I dont blame him for disliking illegal immigrants illigitimately in this country.

  • LG

    Al, it’s amazing to me how you take this threatening letter in the most positive way imaginable. You give Nguyen every allowance that he is merely a wronged man doing his civic duty to inform on voting law. This is simply false. It is not illegal to put a sign threatening shoplifters. It is illegal to threaten voters. I know that it’s no big deal to you that he did not specify that the letter did not apply to immigrants that were naturalized citizens but that’s a pretty big deal. Here’s another take on this. What if I wrote a letter to those same voters saying that it is illegal to drive an unregistered vehicle in California and that you should be advised that if you drive to the polls in an unregistered vehicle that your car will be impounded. This is even less threatening than Nguyen’s letter and it also states a fact. I’m not talking about jail time or putting your name in a hate database. But imagine that you are a legal registered voter with expired tags. Would it be reasonable to assume that you might refrain from voting? How about if I sent this letter to the wealthy of OC. Please be advised that there have been several violent crimes over the past few weeks near your polling station. Please use caution when going to vote. Again, less threatening than Nguyen’s letter but could I deter voters? Probably so. This is not a direct threat but a threat is implied and it is illegal to threaten voters, period.

  • VN

    Have anyone got a chance to read the very first part of the letter?

    “You are being sent this letter because you were recently register to vote. If you are a citizen of the United States, we ask that you participate in the democratic process of voting.”

    The word “citizen” here applies for both native citizen and naturalized citizen, doesn’t it? If so, I think the letter makes it very clear that if you are a US citizen, you should vote, and if you are not, you should NOT vote. Simple and clear. Then why someone purposely started the whole confusion? Probably they were concerned of Tan Nguyen’s chances in the race. Who knows, his chances are getting even higher now after all of these publicity going on.

  • VN

    LG,

    Your sample scenariors are not comparable to what in the letter. The ultimate different between them is that your samples are to discourage LEGAL voters, whereas the letter tries to discourage only ILLEGAL voters. It is LEGAL to discourage ILLEGAL voters from going to vote.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “Once again the recipients were Resgistered Democrats only!! these letters were not sent to Republicans with spanish sounding surnames, Only to democrats.”

    I’m guessing you don’t understand politics very well…

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Look, if you are a legal citizen of this country, and you’ve gone to all your citizenship classes, and you’ve taken the time to register to vote, you are not gonna be swayed away from voting by some poorly-worded letter with ambiguous wording. This mailing was clearly meant to prevent illegal immigrants (likely supporters of Democrat Ms. Sanchez) from voting. And that’s a good thing.

  • PJ

    LOL I guess Republicans want Illegal immigrants to vote if they register Republican. What hypocrisy!!

  • LG

    First of all RJ – If you are going to reprint someone else’s opinion, give them credit. I’m sure Gordon Dillow would appreciate it. Second VN, my comparisons do have merit because I can equally argue that my letters had no intention of discouraging people to vote. I am simply reporting facts. Now, in terms of the law, it doesn’t matter if you personally feel this letter is clear. What matters is that could a naturalized citizen, an immigrant, be lead to believe the letter refers to them. This letter does not mention naturalized citizens, it doesn’t. You can dress this up however you want but it does NOT specifically mention naturalized citizens anywhere in the text. Now Mr. Dillow brings up a good point. However, I register new citizens to vote. So I know first hand that there is tons of confusion about the process the first time. Some people are eager and willing to vote. They are uber informed and chomping at the bit to cast a ballot. But I have been asked by others, “Don’t I have to wait a year to vote?” “Am I allowed to vote in this election?” You have to remember that some of these immigrants come from countries where voting is not available to all citizens. Even though the naturalization process is a lengthy one, everyone does not come out with a firm understanding of their rights. Some US born citizens are confused about their voting rights. Also, let’s remember before we give Mr. Nguyen a merit badge for sticking it to illegals that he did not print this letter on his letterhead but used letterhead that mimicked an anti-immigration groups letterhead. He also listed support from a wealth of organizations in the left margin that supported this letter and that’s a lying load a crap. San Diego Voters are listed – I did not approve or give money for this so that’s crap. The letter also says that the government has a new system that verifies the names of all new registered voters that vote in the elections. Anti-Immigration groups will have access to the database. The letter doesn’t say Immigration Reform, it’s Anti-Immigration groups will get your name. That is a threat. Why would I want an anti-immigration having my name if I am an immigrant. Why would I go vote so these people can get my name? Nguyen puts this out, and hey it’s total BS because there is no such system in place. So there’s another lie. This letter has false information, threatening information and it’s printed on false letterhead. Remember he tried to deny he had anything to do with it at first. Why would he do that if he did nothing wrong? This is criminal and wrong not to mention completely unethical. I am shocked at his hubris for the letter and his support and defense of said letter. He has no respect for our political system or the rights of voters. He is a desperate man trying to win at all costs and you know what? He probably wasn’t going to win in the first place and now he has just embarrassed his party and supporters.

  • LG

    Let me add that the database paragraph is the real threat. If you go vote you will be put in a database that Anti-Immgration groups have access too. So if I am a NATURALIZED CITIZEN and I go vote – stay with me – Anti Immigration groups will get my name. That is a threat. So If I am a naturalized citizen and I’ve come this far in the letter, I am now being led to think that when I go vote legally, my info will be collected and my name will go to an Anti-Immgration group. That is a threat. You can paint it up, spin it out, and hang it up to dry but it is still a threat and threating voters is ILLEGAL.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    I find it worth relishing the irony. A legal immigrant runs for office and sends out a letter in the language that the presumed illegal immigrants can read telling them that it is a crime for an illegal immigrant to vote.

    For this, the legal immigrant is pilloried not only by the politically correct pricks who run the media in California (and elsewhere in the States), but the head of the Republican party, who ought to stand behind his own candidates, given as the fucker is a legal immigrant himself. Maybe if the guy was a white man with a German accent, eh?

    There is no gettin’ around it folks. America is a white man’s country, and if you got the slanty eyes, you just don’t measure up to the other immigrants.

  • VN

    This is the ORIGINAL Enlish version of the letter before it got translated into Spanish. I got this one from the press conference they held on Sunday in front of Tan Nguyen’s office. Read and judge it for yourself.

    ==============

    “You are receiving this letter because you recently registered to vote. If you are a citizen of the U.S. we encourage you to participate in the democratic process.

    However, if you are here illegally or are just a resident with a green card, you should be advised that voting in any Federal Election is a crime and may result in imprisonment, and WILL result in deportation.

    In fact, the U.S. Government is in the process of installing a new computer system which will be used to check and verify all new registrants who vote in the October/November elections. Private anti-immigration organizations may also bring a law suit to have access to this new computer system.

    Unlike Mexico, there is NO BENEFIT to voting. There is no VOTER CARD in the USA. It is therefore very stupid to vote in any election if you are not a citizen.

    Do not pay attention to any politician who tells you anything contrary. They have THEIR OWN INTERESTS. They just want to win elections. They do not care what happens to you.”

    ===================

    This letter seems a lot more honest than plenty of campaign mailers I’ve been receiving from politicians from both parties, when they either completely lie or never keep their promises.

  • LG

    VN, are you joking with me? Is this his defense? He got a bad translation? Spanish is not like Arameic or any other long since lost or dead language. It is very alive and well today and this letter could very easily be translated into Spanish and have the exact same meaning. This was not the letter he sent out and that is what’s in question. If he did not perfom Due Dilligence on the letter before it was sent that doesn’t make a difference. I would love to see the creation date stamp on this piece of fantasy prose. Even if this is what he “intended” this is very different from what was sent. What was sent to voters is what matters, the above is totally irrelevant.

    As for honesty, remember he did not use his letterhead. He used fake letterhead and claimed endorsement from 29 different groups including San Diego Taxpayers (sorry I said voters before). This was also signed Sergio Ramirez, not Tan Nguyen.

    Here is a link to the actual letter.
    http://www.theliberaloc.com/pdf/theletter.pdf
    This is what’s in question. In this you will find no mention of “resident with a green card” and those private anti-immigration groups are able to ask for your name. There is no mention of a law suit. He doesn’t say it’s stupid to vote if you are illegal, he says it’s dangerous. That’s just a few little gems of difference.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    My apology: I should have included the whole letter in the original Spanish and in English in the original text of this story to begin with as a basic point of reference. I just wasn’t thinking. I’ve asked an editor monkey to amend them to the bottom of the story. In the meantime, here’s the Nguyen letter in the original Spanish, and here’s the Nguyen letter in an English translation.

  • LG

    Thanks for this Al! Now I have to physically restrain myself from checking your blog for the next 3 hours. This juicy topic is derailing my efforts to work.

  • RK

    LG Wrote “It is not illegal to put a sign threatening shoplifters. It is illegal to threaten voters.

    Your right LG.

    However the letter does not threaten voters. It threatens those WHO ARN’T SUPPOSED TO BE VOTING!! If a legal resident is in fear of deportation maybe they shoudn’t be voting?!? ;)

    If this is what it takes to bring up the fact that people who arn’t supposed to be voting ARE! We a need a lot more guys with the guts Tan’s got.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    Looking again at the full text of the letter, even the one seed of possible wrongness seems moot. According to the English translation, the very first paragraph says very specifically, “If you are a US citizen, I urge you to participate in the democratic process of voting.”

    Perhaps someone who speaks Spanish can double check that against the original, but unless that is a complete mis-translation, the opponents’ argument that this is attempting to intimidate legitimate voters simply isn’t true. Those words at the front of the letter say exactly the opposite of that, don’t they? You might think that the second paragraph was ambiguous, but the first one just isn’t.

    That leaves people complaining about this letter without a leg to stand on, it would seem. What is your objection? What’s even a little bit inappropriate about this letter, much less illegal or disreputable? Is it wrong to tell ineligible people that they have no right to vote?

    Now, you may not like Tan Nguyen. I don’t know enough about him to have much opinion one way or another. You can certainly disagree with his ideas about stricter enforcement of immigration law. I suspect I would if I dug into the specifics of his position.

    But that’s completely different from the issues about this letter. Criticize his positions on immigration issues, but don’t just blindly start accusing him of stuff that simply isn’t true by saying that he’s trying to intimidate legal voters. That’ll just destroy your credibility.

  • RK

    The one thing that never gets discussed seriously that needs to get addressed in the 47th disctrict (which I live in by the way and Tan is now my freakin Political Hero) is that there are a whole lot of illegals around here who vote every year. Stop them you say? oh no no immigration is a federal issue… We have special order no 40 or some crap like that. After all it’s not the job of the government to ask people thier immigration status. But were leading the charge against global warming! And Gay rights! Stems Cells! and.. and…
    ummm…. yeah… right… Good thing the US Governments got it’s basic priorities straight right? I promised myself I’d never say this but hope everyone in government very slowly and painfully dies of cancer. They deserive it.

  • DK

    Regardless of whether the letter was illegal or not, it was deceptive and dishonest.

    Who’s Sergio Ramirez?
    What’s with the CCIR letterhead?
    New database?

  • LG

    Wow! I couldn’t do it.

    Okay Al and RK here we go again. The letter says that the government is verifying the names of registered voters of people that vote in the upcoming elections. It also says that Anti-Immgrations groups will be able to access these names. So if you are a new citizen, and an immigrant, and vote in this election, these groups can get your name. That is a threat.

    “Organizations against Immigration” not Organizations against illegal immigrants. “Organizations against Immigration. You only have to watch the news, call the number listed on the letter, or look at the website listed to know that you probably don’t want these radical frightend freaks to add you to their target list.

    Now what if I wrote a letter to “born in America” US citizens that said “The government is checking newly registered voters that vote in the election and Telemarketers will be able to have access to this list. Would I deter voters? Of course I would! My scenario isn’t even as bad and it would be illegal.

    This paragraph refers to newly registered voters who vote. It does not mention illegals. So no matter what the first few sentences say (you seem to be taking that text as a sort of overall disclaimer – it’s not, sorry) he is saying here that you (a legal voter) could possibly end up on a list that radical anti-immigration groups can access if you vote. That is a threat and it’s ILLEGAL!

    I love how you attack my credibility but don’t address the facts. I have stated facts and arguments citing specific references to the letter and the parts of the letter that are illegal. This threatening paragraph makes me believe that the intention of this letter was to intimidate US citizens (who also happen to be immigrants) and deter them from voting.

    I think you can cover you hands and ears and say lallalalalalalal – it’s only about illegals -llalalalalala – I won’t hear anything else. But it won’t change the facts that this candidate sent out a wildly UNETHICAL and ILLEGAL letter. Now stop repeating the same rebuttal and address this database issue, I need to get back to work!

  • LG

    Here’s a better scenario.

    Goverenment has system blah, blah, blah and Anti-Abortion groups will have access to the names. Now imagine that I’ve sent these letters to employees of Planned Parenthood.

    If you worked at Planned Parenthood would you want a radical Anti-Abortion Group to have your name? The answer is no. Probably Hell no. Now if you are against abortion you probably wouldn’t mind and couldn’t conceive of why this would be a problem – doesn’t change anything.

    This group on the letterhead calls for volunteers to join the Minute Men. Men that arm themselves and scare people away down at the border with no legal jurisdiction. Pretty radical. I remember when these types wore pointy white hats. Many of these same arguments of sovereignty, dillution, and losing our country used to be targeted toward the “black threat.” Looks like illegal is the new black.

    This is a threat. Tan can yap about how much of a problem illegals are and garner support from like minded individuals as much as he wants. What he cannot do is intimidate voters that might vote for his opponent. He tried to do that and he got caught. What he did was ILLEGAL. He should be charged.

  • VN

    Here’s Tan Nguyen’s statement from the press conference on Sunday. It’s posted on his website at http://www.tanforcongress.com. See for yourself who’s making ILLEGAL action here, Tan or his opponent LORETTA SANCHEZ, WHO IS FUELING THIS WHOLE HYSTERIA AND INTERFERRING WITH HIS CAMPAIGN?

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    TAN NGUYEN’S PRESS STATEMENT
    TAN NGUYEN FOR CONGRESS
    12955 MAIN ST., GARDEN GROVE, CA 92840
    Oct. 22, 2006

    Good afternoon everyone, and thank you for coming today.

    Let me begin by answering all the political figures, including the Chairman of the Orange County Republican Party- Scott Baugh, and their ridiculous call my withdrawal. I am innocent…and there is NO WAY IN HELL I AM QUITING THIS RACE. Mr. Scott Baugh, like many people this week, has made a rush to judgment and without all the facts. I find it incredible that he didn’t even call me, to get my side of the story, or didn’t even wait for the result of this so called investigation.

    THERE HAS BEEN NO CRIME COMMITTED, SO WHY IS THERE A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BEING CONDUCTED BY THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THREE WEEKS PRIOR TO A VERY IMPORTANT ELECTION?

    What is going on? And who is fueling this hysteria?

    I would be doing a disservice to myself and the people of this community if I were to quit. A recent survey conducted by Public Opinion Strategies found that I am neck and neck with my opponent, Ms. Sanchez. However, among voters who are 100% likely to vote this November, I am leading Ms. Sanchez by 13%. We have tremendous support from the people of this district because we have bonded with them in the last two years. We have listened to their concerns and we’ve been telling it like it is, whether when it comes to the issue of Illegal Immigration, Border Security, The War in Iraq, Caring for Our Elders, or Keeping American Jobs Here in America.

    I have always tell it like it is and that’s what I am going to do today.

    There is no crime committed, not a hate crime, and not even a love crime. The whole hysteria and nonsense about there being a crime is just a BIG FAT LIE and those who are fueling this hysteria and nonsense should be ashamed of themselves.

    So, if there’s no crime committed, why is there an expedited criminal investigation conducted by the State Attorney General, three weeks prior to an election? What’s the rush? What’s going on? WHY HAS NO ONE STOOD UP AND SAY “THE EMPEROR’S GOT NO CLOTHES!!!!” Well, I am gonna do that!

    I have learned that the letter in question was the Spanish translation of a letter in English, urging green card holders and illegal immigrants to refrain from voting. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? My attorney for the political campaign will address the letter, later.

    Then, you be the judge! Where is the hate crime? Where is the voter intimidation? AND IF THERE’S NO VOTER INTIMIDATION AND NO CRIME, THEN WHY IS THERE AN EXPEDITED CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BEEN CONDUCTED BY THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL? WHAT’S GOING ON? AND WHO IS FUELING THIS HYSTERIA?

    There is now some debate to what the Spanish translation actually says, especially when it comes to the word “EMIGRADO.”

    I took a long walk along the beach, last night, and I met many Hispanics. I asked them about the word “EMIGRADO,” and was very surprised to find out that it either means a person with a GREEN CARD or a person here legally but does not have citizenship. This is also a term used by the United States Immigration Service Agents to ask those crossing our border, whether they are a CITIZEN OR AN EMIGRADO, a person who is here legally, but with only a green card. All of us know that a person who only has a green card can not vote.

    So, if this is the term used by the United States Government to describe green card holders, then who’s feeding this hysteria? I don’t speak Spanish, but my opponent does…why don’t you ask her what EMIGRADO really means, and why is she fueling the fire. Why is she holding rallies to add to the hysteria?

    My opponent, Ms. Sanchez, is not concerned with enforcing our immigration laws. In fact, she has introduced legislation to prevent prospective voters to show valid I.D. before voting. She has even sponsored bills to give social security pensions to illegal immigrants…in a time when we don’t even have enough money to pay our retirees. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that this would encourage more people to vote fraudulently.

    I am appalled and surprised at the amount of hysteria that has been generated.

    Ms. Sanchez, who has been unavailable to defend her bizarre voting record which includes refusing to condemn Hezbollah, the terrorist organization that killed 241 of our Marines in 1983, refusing to commend our soldiers, refusing to help our senior citizens get cheaper medicines and Long Term Care, has all of a sudden jumped on the bandwagon and made herself very available!

    Look at what this has created! There’s no crime committed. Yet, armed policemen raided my office and home, terrorizing my family and volunteers. They’ve interfered with my ability to run my campaign by taking my computers, by taking all my contacts with all the voters. They even took my campaign signs at my house. WHAT IS GOING ON HERE! I believe my constitutional rights of free speech and my ability to campaign have been violated! I have asked my attorney for the political campaign, Bill Braniff, to look into the substance of the letter. He’s a former U.S. Attorney, and he’s volunteering his services. I WILL SAY THAT THIS ELECTION IS BEING INTERFERRED WITH.

    Why did they time their raid of my home and office at the same time as my PRE-ANNOUNCED PRESS CONFERENCE? What’s going on, and who’s behind this? We were fully cooperating with there investigation. So, what was the rush?

    Lastly, I would like to issue an apology to my office manager who I had discharged earlier this week, before I knew all the facts. And I would like to invite her back to work on the campaign. I made a mistake. I, like many people this week, had made a snap judgment. Her forwarding of the database without my permission was an error made, but with good intentions.

    These past days have been HELL for my family and me. The only thing that has kept us going is the fact that we heard from many of the people in our community who have stood by us, prayed for us, left flowers at our doors, and have been with us 100%. I ask those people and anyone else who wants to support our situation to come here, to this office, next Saturday at 12 O’clock. I will personally be here to meet you and thank you. I need your support.

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  • Sylvia Muffaleto

    “I’m guessing you don’t understand politics very well…”

    and he is someone who would know.

    I love reading all these faux pundits frothing at the mouth, ignoring the fact that OC Republican officials in the middle of what’s happening see that Tan’s campaign erred. I guess you are all smarter than they are.

    If Tan didn’t do anything wrong, then why wouldn’t he have used his own letterhead? Why does Barbara Coe of CCIR repeatedly denied her group’s involvement with the Nguyen letter? Why does no one know who Sergio Ramirez, the letter’s signor, is?

    If we let everyone under suspicion of a crime dictate whether or not there should be an investigation, I’m guessing the jails would clear up.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    Sylvia, being mad and militant doesn’t mean that you have any legitimate point. What crime is it that you say has supposedly been committed to need investigated?

    I don’t quite understand the letterhead or the nominal group. It sounds as if someone cleverly conjured up a little ad hoc committee to make their point. I suppose you can decide that you’re going to try to make something bad or “deceptive” out of that, but it doesn’t mean anything. Whoever it was saying it, the content of that letter seems to be perfectly legitimate.

    The database business that folks are carrying on about seems legitimate. That would appear to mean simply that voting is a matter of documented public record.

    If you are a citizen, PLEASE come vote- and that there is a record of it would then be something for you to be proud of, and you don’t even have to get your fingers stained purple. If you’re NOT eligible to vote but do so anyway, that’ll be something that can be proven as a matter of public record. What’s illegitimate about that?

  • Sylvia Muffaleto

    Al, I’m neither, but you’ve been wrong throughout this thread, so I shouldn’t expect you to change now.

    If you are going to write an article, you really should consider doing some research first unless you get paid for every element of the story you “don’t quite understand”.

    A group wasn’t invented for the purpose of the letter. It’s a real organization who was made to look as if they were responsible and the letter was signed by a person not involved with them. I believe that’s called fraud. Do you think it’s okay to send out letters purporting to represent organizations?

    I believe the crime being investigated is termed voter suppression, but it is not I who said it was committed. I’ll leave that to the state investigators and the U.S. Justice Department who are involved unless you have some evidence to show they routinely investigate crimes without evidence. I’ll trust their opinion over the accused and everyone sitting at their keyboards. He may very well be innocent, but the more info that comes out, the worse it looks.

    If you think this matter is only about telling illegals that they shouldn’t vote, then there is no point for further discussion.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    With due respect Miss Sylvia, your Deep Indignance at this supposed “fraud” strikes me as utterly contrived. Again, perhaps someone has been presuming to speak on behalf of some group whom they are not authorized to represent- I just don’t know, but even in that worst case, I doubt the law would be interested, as they were not using such pretense for any financial type gain.

    But what people are bitching about is 99% variations on claiming voter intimidation. That charge clearly absolutely and completely does not stick even a little bit on any examination, so you’re looking for something else- even if it’s something petty. I highly doubt you would be so contorted about such a thing if it involved a candidate otherwise to your liking. Am I wrong?

    I do, however, apologize for my general lack of omniscience. I should have anticipated every possible conceivable sidetrack someone might take anywhere around this topic and responded to those conversational points in advance.

    Again, my basic point of analysis is that there’s this letter associated with this campaign that has drawn charges of being voter intimidation and a “hate crime.” That is the specific angle of this analysis. Perhaps there are other useful angles.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “First of all RJ – If you are going to reprint someone else’s opinion, give them credit. I’m sure Gordon Dillow would appreciate it.”

    Who the hell is Gordon Dillow?

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “LOL I guess Republicans want Illegal immigrants to vote if they register Republican. What hypocrisy!!”

    Why would it make sense for a Republican to spend his own limited campaign cash on disuading his OWN POTENTIAL VOTERS from going to the polls? And why would ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS want to vote for a candidate who is strongly opposed to illegal immigration?

    Sending the letters to registered Republicans with Hispanic-sounding names would be either pointless (because illegal immigrants who register to vote are not registering with the GOP) or counter-productive. Or possibly both.

    Again: You don’t understand politics much, do you?

  • PJ

    RJ you make the point perfectly clear. Tan Is simply using voter suppression tactics which is why he is being investigated. If he really was concerned with illegals voting. he would have targeted all illegals rather than targeting democrats only. If Illegals some how vote for more dems as it is claimed, than it would have made little or no difference to target all and Tan would not be finding himself in the mess he has gotten himself into. (Considereing he has already spent 650,000 of his own money I doubt money was an issue.)

    Now the police are investigating his Live-in partner Mark Nguyen.

  • LG

    PJ you hit it on the nail – Awesome!

    I’m just going to be your toady on this one and say – Yeah!

    RJ, I don’t think you understand that you just clearly illustrated why what Tan did was illegal. Look at your own post, “Why would it make sense for a Republican to spend his own limited campaign cash on disuading his OWN POTENTIAL VOTERS from going to the polls?” Of course not RJ – you’re right! He should “dissuade” the people that won’t vote for him. That’s what he did and that’s illegal.

    So it appears that your “understanding” of politics doesn’t give you any skill in playing the game. :)

    I laughed out loud when I read this – precious.

  • Martin Lav

    Tan was on a local radio station yesterday here in LA and his explanations sound perfectly reasonable so far. However, the States Attorney Generals response letter, mailed to the same 14,000 on the letterhead of at least one Racist organization fronting as a “civil rights” organization (La Raza) does not. Just like the Orange County Republic party along with our Republican Governor, throwing Tan under the bus without even asking him about it, just to pander to the Mexican-Americans, is equally insulting.
    Tan a legal immigrant wants to make certain that the rules are applied equally.
    If legal Voters are intimidated by illegal voters, then that should be the crime. A letter sent to legal voters, welcoming their participation in the process seems reasonable, however, if they are illegally voting, because Loretta Sanchez and some of her constiuents are busy signing them up then I think it’s a perfectly legitimate way to address this issue.

  • LG

    Martin, I don’t even know where to start with you. Obviously you listen to conservative radio because that’s what Tan went on. Conservative radio (Rush, Savage) are notorious for presenting opinion as fact and Rush frequently missquotes the constitution for his own measures so let’s just hit the facts of your letter.

    1. Name one news article that shows anyone from Loretta Sanchez’s campaign siging up illegal voters. One article with proof this happened. While you’re at it show me one article that shows proof the democrats have done this in an election. Just because Republicans and neo-cons say it happened does not make it true. They make crap up all the time and their toadies repeat it as fact.

    2. La Raza is “fronting” as a civil rights organization. What is their real purpose? Tell me, I’m dying to know.

    3. Where in any of this did legal voters complain of being “intimidated” by illegal voters. Cite and article because that is just false.

    4. You need to read the letter beyond what Al obviously thinks is a disclaimer for the rest of the letter where Tan threatens voters that their names will go to Anti-Immigration groups if they vote.

    5. I am so sick of Tan claiming legal immigrant status and throwing in the face of illegals. If Johnson did not allow the Vietnamese refugees to stay he would be in the same boat as anyone south of the border. As a matter of fact how did he come here? Was he illegal at first and then was fortunate enough to have the president say it was okay? Don’t kid yourself in thinking that American voters wanted the huge influx of Vietnamese refugees here. Bush wants to do this for Mexicans. Why was it okay for Tan but not for them. He is a hypocrite and an opportunist.

  • PJ

    “If legal Voters are intimidated by illegal voters”

    The people who recieved the letter were registered voters. No indication of how many if any were actually illegally registered. If you have some ACTUAL info and stats please post the citations.

    This also has nothing to do with Pandering to any group. This has to do with the laws the Law enforcement officials cited. Voter intimidation and Racketeering.

    By the end of the week I am sure we will either see an arrest of either Tan, his live in partner Mark or they will not find any criminal behaviour.

    But I say Law enforcement do its job. Unless of course you believe Republicans are above the law.

  • Martin Lav

    Number one, I’m not a republican nor do I listen to right-wing wacko talk radio. He was on Ken and John and although they take a very ascertive stance with the illegal immigration issue, they are not considered left or right.

    As far as evidence of Loretta Sanchez’ tampering with registering of voters, when she originally one her seat, (in a typically Republican area) over Bob Dornan, there were at least 700 cases discovered of votes cast by non-legal voters. While it has never been directly attributed to her, it has been cited that members of the democratic party within her area have publicly instructed residents that when they register to vote, no one can ask them to prove they are a citizen. “No papales”.

    So go ahead and assume Mr. Tan is guilty and like his own party is doing, then quickly issue an apology and retraction letter with the endorsement of La Raza (the race) and have the Secretary General of the State send it to the “threatened” presumably legally registered voters. You’d be just like them.

    And oh by the way, La Raza has had members in a leadership position advocate and call for the “reconcista” of the US back to Mexico. Also, during the day without and immigrant when traffic on the freeways flowed freely…..many representatives of the democratic party were at the marches registering voters. Since it was assumed many of them were here illegally, I’m sure someone loosely affiliated with Mr. Tan’s campaign sent out this “friendly reminder” to these people to make certain they knew the consequences of casting a vote illegally.

  • LG

    Pretty much like I thought Martin, you can’t cite an actual article. Where’s the proof? You assume and you repeat opinions and speculation as fact.

    I don’t have to “assume” Mr. Tan is guilty. I read the letter that he sent out in English and in Spanish. I can quote you the text that violates the law. If there is any justice in OC and I think there is, then he will be brought up on charges. They he can yell and scream that he’s not guilty to a judge.

  • Martin Lav

    LG,
    I don’t have to cite any articles or provide any proof to you or anyone. I’m only stating my opinion as you are. I told you I heard the broadcast and know enough about this so-called case to have an educated opinion. I don’t know what your trip is, but you were kind enough to post the transcript of his press conference and that says a lot as well. What are the charges by the way?

  • PJ

    “As far as evidence of Loretta Sanchez’ tampering with registering of voters, when she originally one her seat, (in a typically Republican area) over Bob Dornan, there were at least 700 cases discovered of votes cast by non-legal voters”

    I did ask for cases of REGISTERED VOTERS. and citations.

    “nor do I listen to right-wing wacko talk radio.”

    Yet Tan nguyen only plead his case on “right-wing wacko talk radio” so how is that possible?

    and Finally let’s not forget the actual case against Tan Nguyen and his Live in Partner is Voter Intimidation and Racketeering. The reality is that ONLY REGISTERED DEMOCRATS were targeted. these letters were not sent to registered voters of Both parties (with hispanic surnames).

    So until the Police make thier arrest or let him go there is not much anyone can say. Either he and his live in partner broke the law and will do the madatory 3 year prison sentence or they did not and will continue on their campaign.

    What we do know is that Tan Nguyen approved the mailer as stated by the OC republicans as well as the agency he hired to gather the information on these voters.

    We also know that these letters were sent to Legal Voters. There has not yet been a case showing any of the recipients being Illegal aliens or non US citizens.

    So if you have data SHOWING OTHERWISE Post it.

  • Martin Lav

    “Yet Tan nguyen only plead his case on “right-wing wacko talk radio” so how is that possible?”

    KFI in Los Angeles — The John and Ken Show
    Look it up.

    “We also know that these letters were sent to Legal Voters. There has not yet been a case showing any of the recipients being Illegal aliens or non US citizens.”

    What constitutes a legal voter?
    US citizen?
    How do they prove that when they register?

    “What we do know is that Tan Nguyen approved the mailer as stated by the OC republicans as well as the agency he hired to gather the information on these voters.”

    How do you know he approved it?
    Gather information for what? Get a list of registered democrats in your area so you can campaign to them? That’s what the list was for, if this list was given by his office manager (who he fired and has since re-hired) to an inappropriate party or parties, it doesn’t sound like he authorized it. Besides even if he did, where is the intimidation? I don’t see it.

    POST IT

  • PJ

    How do they prove that when they register?

    We know who they were sent to and can find out if they are legal citizens. so far many have come forward to say they are legal. As in registered Citizen.

    We know from Tan Nguyen that 1st he didn’t know about it then he flip flopped and said he did. We also know HE was the one who spoke to the Agency that did the research as ffrom their own statements. We also know that the OC republican Party was aware that Nguyen approved it from their statements.

    The intimidation is up for the police to decide when they arrest Tan and his live-in Partner, then later for the Judge and jury to find them guilty or not.

    The intimidation comes from sending this letter to so far only legal citizens registered with the democratic Party threatening them with arrest if they try to vote. Making no clear distinction between registered naturalized citizen and illegal aliens or persons residing in CA ineligible to vote. EVEN IF BY MISTAKE. He can plead his case to a judge. But instead he is playing the court of public opinion.

    Voter inimidation and Racketeering is Illegal

    “Get a list of registered democrats in your area so you can campaign to them?”

    Camaigning to people and threatening them with arrest are two different things. There was nothing in the letter telling them who to vote for or any campaign message at all. There was simply a threat of arrest sent to people who are Registered voters and NOTHING TO SUGGEST THEY ARE ILLEGAL.

  • PJ

    Yes familiar with the John and ken show and yes they are Right Wingers.

  • PJ

    Oh look “Congressman Ed Royce will be on the show at 3:00″ the John and ken show giving yet another Republican Freee Air Time.

    Do you think they will mention his ties to Jack abramoff? He certainly posed for a lot of pictures with him.

    My guess is no

  • VN

    LG, on message #47 you said: “As a matter of fact how did he (Tan) come here? Was he illegal at first and then was fortunate enough to have the president say it was okay?”

    DEAD WRONG!!!
    Looks like you run out of your materials and start to say thing you don’t really know and just pretend you do know. You may need to do some research on Vietnam War then you will know how Tan, as well as other the Vietnamese people, coming to the US after the war. I will be more than happy to help if you can’t find it by yourself.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    PJ, it’s pretty clear that you’re not after any pursuit of actual truth or reason here, but just set on some partisan smearfest. For starters, enough with that “live in partner” crap. You’re saying that you think he’s gay. Got the point, but it’s irrelevant- if it’s even true. Don’t care. But I do hold it against you for repeatedly smearing at him that way. Gay is cool, smearing ain’t.

    You can go on about racketeering and such stuff all day, but you’re just making that crap up all out of your head wholecloth. You SAY that they only sent this to registered Democrats with Hispanic names, but you’re probably just making that up as well. Not that there would be anything whatsoever wrong with them sending this only to registered Democrats, but where’d you hear that from?

    You can carry on with your perjorative phrases, made up accusations, mindless and irrelevant complaints about talk radio, and general personal smears- and that still doesn’t mean that anything wrong was done.

    However, if it cheers you up, I’ll note a small win for your left wing pro-vote fraud side: a judge in Ohio has at least momentarily thrown out enforcement of their new law requiring ID checks at the polls. One for your side.

  • VN

    PG, on message #48 you said: “But I say Law enforcement do its job. Unless of course you believe Republicans are above the law.”

    It’s so funny until now you still connect Tan with Republicans, especially after all the things they did to him after the “letter” incident. I guess he should be considered as an Independent now. And maybe that’s why he got hammered from both parties.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    It is not in Tan’s best interests to spend his limited campaign resources on disuading illegal immigrants who might vote for him (yeah, all three of them…) from voting. That is supposed to be the job of the election officials (ha-ha).

    It is in Tan’s best interests to disuade illegal immigrants from voting for his opponent (probably in the hundreds or thousands…) in the upcoming election. That’s why he sent the letter – because election officials in his district have a track record of allowing illegal immigrants to vote (presumably for Democrats).

    Once again, you don’t seem to understand that election-season politics is about WINNING, not about “playing fair”…

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Let me see. Should Tan Nguyen sent out a warning to registered illegal voters? And where would he get souch a list? From the mobsters that got them illegally registered?

    I continue to relish the irony of a country that has been tripped up by itas own tangled and ridiculuous immigration laws, by its own indecision as to whether the voter or the citizen is intelligent enough to decide to vote or not, and by its owqn unwillingness to admit that its own laws are being flouted by incumbent politicians.

    The biggest irony of them all is that the legal immigrant Tan Nguyen is being condemned by who? Legal immigrant Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    Having seen completely sane men act like idiots because they have been bribed to – that’s the pilitical establishnebt of this country from the “crime” minister on down – I have a couple of questions for LG and Sylvia Mufalleto to check out themnselves. Who is paying off Schwarzengger to act like an idiot? Who has threatened him with what if he does not pervert the laws of the state where he is governor, and thereby violate the oaths HE took, both as a new citizen, and a as a state governor.

    My father’s citizenship papers, obtained seven years after he emigrated to America from Poland were his most prized possession. A registered citizen who has his citizenship papers sould not have to be afraid that the INS will not respect them. If he is, your country’s laws and its vaunted constitution are not worth the paper they are printed on. Aned all your singing about justice under G-d and justice for all is just so much horse manure.

    Maybe, Senator Barger, that is the real story here underneath the headline…

  • VN

    PJ, on message #54 you said: “We know who they were sent to and can find out if they are legal citizens. so far many have come forward to say they are legal. As in registered Citizen.”

    HOW do you find out among 14,000 people, if someone are not eligible to vote?

    HOW MANY PEOPLE have come forward to say they are legal out of 14,000 recipients?

    HOW MANY PEOPLE won’t come foward to say they are legal, because they are actually not leagal?

    THERE IS NO WAY ANY ONE CAN FIND OUT who’s legal and who’s illegal registered voter. That why the letter has to be sent to all 14,000 people. Whoever a legal registered voter, they saw the first paragraph of the letter as an encouragement/reminder to go to vote, and then trash the letter as another piece of junk mail during election time. Whoever not a legal registered voter, saw the rest of the letter, as it was in the original English or the Spanish version (remember again the English version on LA Times or OC Register was not come from neither Tan’s office nor the guy named Sergio Ramirez), would be aware that they should not go to vote and should not let the politicians taking advantage on them.

    When a business mail out a promotion, they may mail out to 10 or 20 thousands of households. Of course they don’t expect to hit 10 or 20 thousands targets and get 10 or 20 thousands customers in return. They expect 3-5 % in return at best. That is a simple example in case you wonder why they must send out that letter to 14,000 recipients and why they even send to legal citizens. They can’t tell who is illegal registered voters (if they can, those people probably got arrested), and it is rather send to the potential list including people who should not receive than don’t send to people who should receive.

  • Sylvia Muffaleto

    “Who is paying off Schwarzengger to act like an idiot?”

    Paid off? What are you talking about exactly? With all the money he has made in Hollywood and his wife being a Kennedy, it’s a little naive to believe that he would accept a bribe.

    Why couldn’t it be that he’s acting like an idiot, which I agree is the way he’s acting because this is no hate crime, for free to help his own campaign, even though it’s not needed?

    “Who has threatened him with what if he does not pervert the laws of the state where he is governor, and thereby violate the oaths HE took, both as a new citizen, and a as a state governor.”

    Threaten him with what? He’s going to get re-elected governor again. And what laws is he perverting? This is the first I’ve heard this accusation.

    Your questions are bordering on conspiritorial hysteria.

  • VN

    “The biggest irony of them all is that the legal immigrant Tan Nguyen is being condemned by who? Legal immigrant Arnold Schwarzenegger.” (Quote from message #61 by Ruvy in Jerusalem)

    Love it!

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Sylvia, calling the kettle black writes,

    “Threaten him with what? He’s going to get re-elected governor again. And what laws is he perverting? This is the first I’ve heard this accusation.

    Your questions are bordering on conspiritorial hysteria.”

    And what the hell do you think this whole legal lynching of Tan Nguyen is? He dared call a spade a spade and said there was illegal voting in his district and sent a letter out warning voters away from it (Democratic voters, obviously), and his Republican party runs away from him like he carried the plague. If I were him, I’d quit the race, and the Republican party both, get my name off the ballot, and let the voters have the prevaricating thief of a politician that Ms. Sanchez obviously is.

    With people like her in power, Californians like you will get what you deserve – to be shafted but good.

  • Sylvia Muffaleto

    Ruvy, it appears you don’t know the story, so you should stop embarrasing yourself and spare the melodrama. Since you failed to back up your accusations of payoffs and threats, we’ll move on.

    “He dared call a spade a spade and said there was illegal voting in his district and sent a letter out warning voters away from it”

    That is absolutely false and illustrates you don’t know the issue. On Sunday, Nguyen said he did not authorize or approve the letters, which said more than there was illegal voting in his district. That’s why the authorities are investigating it and The OC Repubs have turned their backs, but of course, being halfway around the world gives you a much better perspective than those here in the middle of it. If you have some inside info that the authorities don’t, you shouldn’t keep it to yourself.

    In 2004 Tan quit the Dems, so he’s running out of options. He can’t get his name off the ballot this late in the game, but why should you start getting information about the CA political system correct now?

    And I can’t let this gem slip by.

    “I highly doubt you would be so contorted about such a thing if it involved a candidate otherwise to your liking. Am I wrong?”

    Yes, as usual. Tan is not running for my district, so I have no understanding of his positions as a candidate, which seem to adjust every two years. Obviously you are projecting your own lack of integrity because even if I liked a candidate, I would take issue with them if allegations of voter intimidation were raised.

  • PJ

    “That is absolutely false and illustrates you don’t know the issue. On Sunday, Nguyen said he did not authorize or approve the letters, ”

    However OC repubs say that he did and have evidence of that TO BE SEEN IN COURT. Also the Demographic company SPOKE TO TAN NGUYEN HIMSELF and TAN was the one who told them to gather info on REGISTERED DEMOCRATS WITH HISPANIC SURNAMES.

    I guess you missed that being half way around the world and all.

  • PJ

    HOW do you find out among 14,000 people, if someone are not eligible to vote?

    HOW MANY PEOPLE have come forward to say they are legal out of 14,000 recipients?

    HOW MANY PEOPLE won’t come foward to say they are legal, because they are actually not leagal?

    Exactly the point. TAN DIDN’T HE JUST SENT THE LETTERS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE REGISTERED DEMOCRATS.

    However the Names and Adresses of ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOW KNOWN SO YES WE CAN FIND OUT BECAUSE THEY DON”T HAVE TO COME FORWARD.

  • Martin Lav

    Sylvia says:

    “I have no understanding of his positions as a candidate”

    Al Barger says:

    “it’s pretty clear that you’re not after any pursuit of actual truth or reason here, but just set on some partisan smearfest.”

    So I guess that makes Al’s assertion true.

    Ruvy on the other hand and although ” half way around the world” appears to hit the nail on the head:

    “He dared call a spade a spade and said there was illegal voting in his district and sent a letter out warning voters away from it (Democratic voters, obviously), and his Republican party runs away from him like he carried the plague. If I were him, I’d quit the race, and the Republican party both, get my name off the ballot, and let the voters have the prevaricating thief of a politician that Ms. Sanchez obviously is.”

    I challenge Ms. Sanchez to make these point clear:

    1. Denounce the motto “For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada,” as repugnant, racist, and totally incompatible with American society or citizenship.
    2. Acknowledge the right of all Americans to live wherever they choose in the U.S. without segregation.
    3. Commit to sponsorship of nationwide educational programs to combat racism and anti-Semitism in the Hispanic community.
    4. Denounce and sever all ties with MEChA and any other organizations with which they have ever been associated which held to the racist doctrines held by MEChA.
    5. Acknowledge the internationally recognized borders of the U.S., the right of the citizens of the U.S. to determine immigration policy through the democratic process, and the right of the U.S. to undertake any and all necessary steps to effectively enforce immigration law and defend its border against unauthorized entry.
    6. Repudiate all claims that current American territory rightfully belongs to Mexico.

  • LG

    LG, on message #47 you said: “As a matter of fact how did he (Tan) come here? Was he illegal at first and then was fortunate enough to have the president say it was okay?”

    “DEAD WRONG!!!
    Looks like you run out of your materials and start to say thing you don’t really know and just pretend you do know. You may need to do some research on Vietnam War then you will know how Tan, as well as other the Vietnamese people, coming to the US after the war. I will be more than happy to help if you can’t find it by yourself.”

    Hey VN, first of all, if there is a question mark at the end of a sentence it is a question not a statement of fact. So Duh, I was asking questions which since you claim to know so much you could have answered. Instead you just blast me for being “wrong” and get your panties all in a bunch. Of course you provided not actual facts or answers but hey why start now?

    Incidentally, I did do my research on the Vietnam War before I posted. I actually felt I knew the answers before but I thought I’d double check the facts. So I do know about it. I know that some people fled by boat (boat people) and that the US welcomed the refugees and I know that some people managed to come here on visas and were later welcome here. I’m not sure where Tan fits in (although I’ve read he’s a boat person) so I asked the question. One thing I do know is that Johnson made sure that these people could come here and that decision was NOT a popular one.

    I do know that Bush wants to do not even as much as Johnson for Latin Americans and Tan is against that. He came here under special allowances. He did not go through normal channels – Hey most immigrants don’t. But what’s good for him is not good for anyone else. Again, he is a hypocrite and an opportunist.

  • LG

    Ruvy and Martin – your posts are nonsensical and not worth comment. Slyvia – I applaud you for trying but those two are incapable of listening to anything but their own babble.

    Al, at this point what your saying is so silly and repetitive that I’m convinced you are only trying to draw more attention to this post to keep it hot. You’ve completely covered your ears and stuck your head in the sand on all facts.

    PJ’s making it up huh. Hey PJ, that’s a neat trick. You managed to get your ‘made up’ facts on all news channels – Sweet!

  • miculo

    Tan Nguyen should be jailed for some years and then… deported!!

  • ItsdaBunny

    This “LG” person is obviously an idiot who never did his research. Yes, Nguyen is a “boat person” but he was NOT an “illegal immigrant”. If you know anything about immigrating to the US by boat, you CANNOT get into the country without a Sponsor and without the proper the documentation. (You can’t just dig a hole in the ground and cross the border!) You have to travel by boat thousands of miles to get to the US, and US Coast guards wouldn’t swarm around you before letting you step foot onto the docks. No “boat person” can be an “illegal immigrant”, as you claim. Don’t make up facts just to support your claim of calling him a hypocrite. It just makes you look stupid and uneducated.

  • VN

    LG, on message #70 you said: “Hey VN, first of all, if there is a question mark at the end of a sentence it is a question not a statement of fact.”

    Yes there was a question mark at the end of your sentence, but the way you presented your sentence, it was more like a confirmative question, NOT a regular question.

    You also said: “Incidentally, I did do my research on the Vietnam War before I posted. I actually felt I knew the answers before but I thought I’d double check the facts. So I do know about it. I know that some people fled by boat (boat people) and that the US welcomed the refugees and I know that some people managed to come here on visas and were later welcome here. I’m not sure where Tan fits in (although I’ve read he’s a boat person) so I asked the question. One thing I do know is that Johnson made sure that these people could come here and that decision was NOT a popular one.”

    You were just keeping blah… blah…blah… and you ended up did not know EXACTLY about how the Vietnamese (including Tan’s family) got here. I was SO disapointed. I expected you to be more honest in the discussion. I did offered to tell you the story, all I expected was that you just said you didn’t know and that you just wanted to hear what it was. You did not. Instead you just kept blah.. blah… blah.. more and more. You was NOT an honest person I thought you were. What is the point you want to make here through out the whole discussion? You’re trying to prove you know more than other people about something? Or you’re trying to prove Tan is the bad candidate and all of us should not vote for him? If so, you can see by now no one here was convinced by your untruthful arguments. Why you just keep trying hopelessly? Please tell why you keep doing so? What is the motivation behind the whole thing?

    There are two news I heard today at the rally supporting Tan Nguyen in Garden Grove that I want to share with you, in case you don’t know it yet.

    On a fundraising on Friday night October 27, the Speaker of the House Dennis Haster has talked about the controversy word “Emigrado”. He confirmed the word means either an illegal imigrant or a resident holding green card. I guess there won’t be an arrest to Tan Nguyen at all, if that is what you’re waiting for. The other news is that he and his lawyers might bring up to Federal court people who involved in the whole interference with his campaign. Maybe there will be someone going to jail, but that person may not be the one you hope for.

    LG, I don’t hope you to be convinced (based on the history of you posts), but I hope you at least see some points from here.

    God bless you.

  • VN

    A video clip from Tan’s press conference on Sunday Oct 22.

  • LG

    VN – You offered to tell the story but have not. So I’m asking you know tell the story of how Tan got here. But keep this in mind. When I say that President Johnson made allowances for the refugees to come here and that it was NOT a popular decision, that is 100% fact, whether you want it to be or not. What I didn’t say, was that I fully agreed with Johnson that we should accept the refugees. I think we should have taken ALL of them.

    I live in a predomantly Vietnamese and Filipino neighborhood. Since I have lived here I have heard many a white folk bitch about the amount of Vietnamese immigrants in my neighborhood – Still! Every baby boomer cab driver that’s brought me back from the airport has had many colorful expressions about my neighborhood. I have many rich friends from college that live in Huntington Beach. I will not repeat here what they and their parents think of Little Saigon. I will say that I’ve never heard them speak of it without using racial epithets. That’s the OC – that’s Tan’s country. If you think that the Vietnamese immigrants we’re welcomed with open arms, think again.

    My motive and point for bringing up Tan’s experience is not to say that I don’t believe Tan should be here but that I think Tan is a hypocrite. There are refugees south of the border trying to get in here and Tan is against all of Bush’s plans to bring them here. Why was it good for him and not them – that is my point. I know many immigrants like Tan. There are some in my own family. It’s this ridiculous attitude of hey I’m here so I’m going to jump on the bandwagon and look down on the other people struggling to get here.

    Let me tell you this, EVERYTIME there is an influx of immigrants throughout our history as a nation, those immigrants are not welcome. That goes for Chinese, Irish, Italian, Russian and pretty much any immigrant that is not either British or German. The argument is ALWAYS the same. “They will take our jobs. They’re criminals. They eat weird food. They don’t speak English. They abuse social services. I don’t want my kid to be like them or worse – marry them.” Always the same.

    You know what the real problem is? Immigrants can come here with nothing and one or two generations down the line, their children or grandchildren can achieve ridiculous amounts of success. American families that have been poor underachievers for generations – Hate that. These children challenge established families to be more competitive. Middle class families – Hate that. When I was in college the asian kids in Engineering were hated and openly sneered at. Know why? They always blew the curve. Know why? Instead of drinking at frat parties they were studying in the library – that was their frat. My white friends HATED that and still bitch about it today. Hey, some people used to bitch to me about my place at the university. I got into every school I applied to and I applied to roughly 11 universities if memory serves. My white and black friends in High School said it was my ethnic status and affirmative action. I reminded each of them that I had better grades and much better SAT scores than them. They wouldn’t buy it. Sometimes you need someone to blame for your own shortcomings. People don’t like accountability and a disruption of the status quo – immigrants can turn the status quo on it’s ear.

    Again, I call on you to tell the story of how Tan got here. Don’t write me off as belittling his struggle or the struggle of the Vietnamese who came here. My motive of even bringing this up is to show his hypocracy.

  • LG

    VN – also, I don’t think you want the speaker of the house translating your Spanish for you. He’s in a whole lotta trouble himself and is not the most ethical guy in the party. He’s trying to hold on to his own job.

  • LG

    ItsdaBunny – thanks for maligning my intelligence. However, before your next rant, I think you should read up on immigration law. I laughed out loud when I read your post – too funny.

    So let me get this straight, you think if you come here in a boat that you are not an illegal immigrant? Also, you think that the most vietnamese sailed across the pacific in ramshackle boats to get here? That’s funny.

    I think the citizens of Florida would take argument with your statements. The influx of Cubans that do come here by raft and boat are very illegal. Being rescued does not make you legal. That’s why some of these people are deported back to Cuba. The Chinese that are shipped as the slaves where in filthy cargo holds are illegal immigrants. Coming here in a boat does not make you a legal immigrant. Sorry, laughing kinda hard now.

    If that was the case don’t you think Mexicans would sail across the gulf?

    The coast guard does not catch everyone and they do not leave them adrift when they do. “Boat People” refers to a specific group as far as I know that group is the Vietnamese refugees from the War.

    Incidentally, you can dig a hole and come across the border. They just found a pretty well used tunnel from Mexico to an office building in San Diego. I suggest you take your own advice and do a wee bit of research before you post here – NO wait – post anyway, I could use the giggles. :)

  • LG

    Incidentally before I’m flamed for something else, let me clarify that I am not bashing all white people or all citizens that have lived here for generations. America is a land of success and opportunity and the early pioneers brought us here with pluck and tenacity. I am grateful to them for their spirit.

    The whiny bitchers that I’m referring to up top are different. It’s not race or color indicative. When some immigrants get established here they also bash new people trying to get in (this to me is Tan). Lack of accountability and laziness know no racial or ethnic boundaries.

    It has been my experience and it is my opinion that the people really against immigration offer excuses that are racist in nature but ultimately hide an underlying feeling of fear of competition. I completely agree that we need immigration reform. The laws stink, are not applied equally, are outdated, and are ineffective. I do not think that Mexican Americans are dragging down our country and will ultimately cause it’s ruin. That’s retarded to me.

    Lastly, I know there are several generations old citizens who strive for the best and will achieve it. As far as i’m concerned this panic about illegals is largely based on the Census report that Hipanics have exponentially increased since the last census. This is a political smokescreen and has managed to get lots of people afraid in this troublesome economy.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    LG- These lengthy dissertations on the particulars of Tan Nguyen’s entry into the country don’t mean much. All of that picking away at him as a “hypocrite” comes from an implicit premise that anyone who is an immigrant must therefore favor totally open borders. Why would that follow? That’s simply a false premise, utterly lacking any rational basis.

  • VN

    LG, on message #76 you said: ” So I’m asking you know tell the story of how Tan got here.”

    Now that you are asking for the answer, I’m going to tell you the whole truthful story. It’s a very long one, but I will try to shorten it.

    The history of Vietnamese coming to the US can be devided into 4 period.

    I. From 1954 (when French withdraw and America officially involved in Vietnam War) to April 30, 1975 (the end of Vietnam War when Saigon falled into the power of the communist of North Vietnam):
    Most Vietnamse coming to the US at this time were abroad students. They were not able to come back to Vietnam when the war ended.

    II. Right before April 30, 1975:
    When the war coming the end, America started taking with them their families (Vietnamese wives, kids…), Vietnamese officials, Vietnamese people who had been working for American army or other American services. Of course those people broght along their families as well.

    III. From 1975 to around 1985:
    This was the most horrible chapter in the history of Vietname coming to the US. Most blood and tears were pouring at this time. The Vietnamese was NOT LEAVING, but ESCAPING the country. They wanted to escape from the fiercely oppressive communist government. They were not come to the US for economic but for political problem. And they were accepted into the US (as well as other countries) as REFUGEES, NOT AS IMMIGRANTS. The political conditions under Vietnam communist at that time was so bad that people saying “if the electrical pole could move, it would escape from the country as well.”

    There were basically 2 ways to escape the country at that time. One was walking across the woods, through Cambodia, to Thailand. There were many refugee camps set up in Thailand by the UN at the time. From that refugee camps, people get interview and went on to the 3rd countries, such as USA, Australia, Japan, and European countries). The second way to escape from Vietnam at that time was by boats. People had to organize the trips secretly, including buying or building boats, finding the boat captain, finding passengers who would use up their last saving money and who would leave everything including their home behind. Usually more than a 100 people would be organized to go on a boat that could normally carry 30 people. Just one leak could get everyone to long-time jail and to loose everything including their home. And that was only the beginning of the journey. What could you expect to see across the ocean with only an overloaded and way under-equipped boat? You could see the coastal police who would take all of your money and gold before taking you back to jail. You could be sunk down easily by an ocean storm (people usually chose to escape in the stormy days, in hope that the coastal police would not doing their routine). You could see a pirate boat when all the goods would be taken, all the female disregard of their age would be raped in front of everyone, all the male would be tortured or killed. You could face the troubles of the boat, broken engine, running out of gasoline, losing orientation… There were many more horrible things happened at this time I can even tell you, since they may make you vomit. And if these boat people success to get through the sea, landed to a second country (The Philipnes, Indenosia, Malaysia, Singapore, Hongkong…), they would be accepted into one of the UN refugee camps, waited there for sometimes (from several months to several years, or even more) until they got accepted to a third country such as USA, Australia, Japan, and European countries. So why do Vietnamese took all those risks to their lives to just escape from their own country. It’s simple. They were hunger for the word FREEDOM.

    IV. From 1985 to present: People who came to the US from the first 3 periods keep sponsoring their families to come over. Depends on the relationship, the waiting time can be shorter or longer. Husband and wife can be quicker (1-2 years) but brothers and sisters could be very long 7-10 years.

    Now that you know how Vietnamese got here. You may wonder how I know all that. I didn’t just know that through research, I know by my own painful experience. I went on a boat, got to the sea for several days, got arrested by coastal police, put in jail for several months. Later, I got sponsored by my brothers who escaped successfully earlier. I came to the US on a plane, but after 10 years of waiting for the paperwork.

    How did Tan got here? It’s on his campaign materials and on his radio interviews. He should be belong to the 3rd period of the oversea Vietnamese history. At 8 years old, he escaped from Vietnam along with his parents. His first job here was picking chilly on the field when he’s still a kid. You can see more info on his public website at http://www.tanforcongress.com. Now that you know. You tell me if he was an illegal immigrant in the first place.

    Now about the immigrant vs. illegal immigrant issue. For some reason, from the very beginning of this discussion, you just keep saying/implying that Tan is against immigrants. For example on message #79 you said: “It has been my experience and it is my opinion that the people really against immigration offer excuses that are racist in nature but ultimately hide an underlying feeling of fear of competition.” The fact is that TAN IS NOT AGAINST IMMIGRANTS, HE’S JUST AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMGRANTS. Please don’t tell me there is no difference between legal and illegal immigrants. You know that TAN IS NOT AGAINST LEGAL IMMIGRANTS from the beginning, and you just keep ignoring that fact in your arguments. That shows you are not an honest person.

    To see what Tan’s position is in the illegal immigrants issue, you can check out this link at: http://65.45.193.26:8026/cms/acct/tan4congress/mailers/index.html. This following text is cited from one of his campaign flyer:

    ============
    “TAN IS NOT AGAINST IMMIGRATION.
    TAN IS AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!”
    Tan believes all people who want to come to the USA should have an equal chance. Our current immigration policy is both dangerous and unfair. Dangerous, because terrorists could easily cross unattended borders. Unfair, because it is not fair to those who have been waiting in line patiently for their turn to come here LEGALLY to experience the American Dream, only to have others push in front of them.
    Tan knows what it is to start at the bottom. At the age of eight, he was picking chilies in the fields of Gilroy, California, along side his mother and father.
    Tan believes it is necessary to secure our borders so that we can protect our way of life.
    Tan is not afraid to tell it like it is.” (end quoted)
    =============

    LG, you also keep saying he is racist and hypocrisy. Both was deadly wrong, if I’m not saying it’s the opposite of what he is. If Tan is a white, a black, or a Hispanic candidate, would his office and his home got raid hurriedly like that? Would the Republican politicians rush to condemn him like that? He’s obviously a VICTIM OF RACISM, not a racist himself. About hypocrisy, from the very beginning, the basic of his campaign is “Not afraid to tell it like it is.” That is a very honest approach. He considers himself not a politician. He does not depend deeply on any party. He works for the people, not for a party. The word hypocrisy should not apply to him, but to those politicians who obviously see the problem of illegal immigrants but still either do nothing or do the opposite, just to get their votes from a particular section of voters.

    Beside, you also need to see the differences on other issues between the two candidates: Loretta Sanchez and Tan Nguyen. Keep your eyes open, and keep your mind open, LG.

  • Clavos

    LG says, in #78:

    The influx of Cubans that do come here by raft and boat are very illegal.

    Incorrect.

    Those who make it to shore are accepted and given asylum as LEGAL immigrants under the government’s controversial “wet foot — dry foot” policy.

    Those that are intercepted at sea with out reaching US land are returned to Cuba.

  • http://vnafmamn.com Gucci

    Thank you, “comrade” VN for writing a long response to educate some idiots on this forum. And Al Barger too, I like your “In Defense Of Tan Nguyen,” a lone defense among tons of liberal accusation articles on Tan Nguyen ‘s “hate crime.” Let me make an analogy about this circus of hypocrisy.

    Most Vietnamese immigrants hate and fear Communism, but they have a bad habit that has something to do with Communist: If they have a worst opponent, competitor, enemy etc…that they couldn’t defeat, the best way to kick the hell out of him is to stick a label “Communist” on his back.

    Through this Tan Nguyen’s scandal I have discovered some things interesting: If the Californian Liberals hate someone who they think can cause harm to their political agenda, the most convenient way to kick him out of the political podium is to stick a huge label: “RACIST” right on his front. What an amazing converging point of “EAST meets WEST!” Hohohooo…!

    But VN is right on the money of this solid point: Tan Nguyen is a victim of racism. Read VN’s line again:

    “…If Tan is a white, a black, or a Hispanic candidate, would his office and his home got raid hurriedly like that? Would the Republican politicians rush to condemn him like that? He’s obviously a VICTIM OF RACISM, not a racist himself…”

    You don’t believe it! Ask yourself if you know any crime investigation on any most dangerous suspects that police can get warrant to raid his home, his office etc. in such a hurry fashion. So who are behind those broad-daylight attacks? If not the net work of political incumbent Powers with all the legal tools on hands.

    Communism lives well by applying fear and terror on the oppressed; in a democracy society, tyrant will develop in a subtle form by abusing the laws and authority power, or by claiming in the name of Democracy itself, especially when the mass of its citizens is just a bunch of uninformed, demagoguery-hypnotized sheep.

  • Angy

    … Mr Nguyen needs to learn how to speak English first before he can even think about representing the people …

  • Clavos

    … Mr Nguyen needs to learn how to speak English first before he can even think about representing the people …

    Well, if you want to make that a requirement for holding office, you’d have to eliminate anyone from New Yawk or the South, not to mention Massachusetts.

  • Tracy

    Tan Nguyen going to win this race….!!!

  • Tracy

    Angy, I don’t see Tan Nguyen has any problem with speaking English. He came to the U.S when he was 8, attended U.S. elementary, U.S. highschool, U.S. College, U.S. Universities and completed B.S degrees. His English is not a problem. I can see it is really your racist problem thinking that any one not born in the U.S having trouble speaking English. Representing people in the U.S is representing people from different nationality as U.S. is the country of all people united from all kind of nationalities. Tan Nguyen actually has advantage over candidates who can speak only English language because Tan can speak both Vietnamese and English that can help him to serve better his people as there is a vast number of people in the area he is running the campaign are Vietnamese too.

  • Martin Lav

    Now way he’s going to win.
    Sanchez and her democratic cronies were wildly successfull in registering supposedly legal hispanics in her district. Tan knew this, which is why one of his acquaintances sent out that explanation letter.
    In Southern Ca. the only welcome immigrant these days is a latino one and if you’re anything else, you are not part of La Raza.

  • Martin Lav

    He doesn’t speak Spanish, which appears to be a disadvantage from where he’s running as well as what he’s writing….emigrate ????

  • Joe Public

    Wow!
    Is this guy for real? Does he real think hovering over people at a polling booth will real help his cause? I think it might have worked in back in elementary school, I guess he does what has worked for him as an adult. He real should have step aside as he was asked by the party (he must think he is bigger than the party), but instead he will continue to disgrace himself, his family, the Vietnamese community, the GOP and Orange County. This guy was always way over his head; a) He never was a serious contender, b) He sent out a letter that he did not comprehend (on letterhead that was not his by a couple who happen to be his friend and staff member), c) He first denies his campaign sent the letter, d) He accuses and fires his staff member for the letter, e) He does an about face and tries to re-hire his staff member, f) He has a tissy fit and blames the whole thing on his opponent, which brings me to his campaign theme which is “I Blame other for my shortcomings, I do not take full responsibility for my mistakes and do not show grace under pressure”. Well, he will learn an important lesson today that “Joe Public” not he will “Tells It Like It Is”. How appropriate!

  • PJ

    Ok everyone lets rush to Tan’s defense over his Campaigning in front of polling areas!!

    ROFLMAO. I think This loser has finally bit the dust. Anyone feel foolish for defending Tan and is Live-in-Partner

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    He lost.