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A week ago, if you asked the average Democrat who was going to win this presidential election, the resounding answer was President Obama. But the latest Pew Research poll shows Mitt Romney ahead with likely voters, 49 to 45. Obviously, Governor Romney is benefiting from a bump after his superior performance at last week’s debate (even though Governor Romney made a boat load of false claims and spouted off inaccuracy after inaccuracy, not to mention he’d been saying one thing throughout the campaign and said the near opposite during the debate on numerous topics).

Personally, I think Governor Romney’s bump in the latest polls is a simple reflection of average people finally beginning to pay attention to the election. Sure, everyone’s been seeing clips of things on the evening news and people have been going to see the candidates speak for months now, but the average American has a job, a family, hobbies and other interests besides politics. The average American doesn’t watch MSNBC or FOX all day every day and doesn’t read the newspaper or the news websites that updates us on even the most mundane topics of the campaigns. The average American, the everyday Joe, the likely voters who are vaguely undecided (and who will very likely decide this election) are just now beginning to really pay attention to the election. They started last week at the debates, and if they haven’t listened to Mitt Romney before and heard all of his promises and claims for the last year or so, then what he said at the debate made perfect sense. In fact, it sounded pretty darn good.

And the Romney/Ryan campaign knows this and is taking full advantage of this—as they should. But here’s the thing: as citizens of this republic not only is it our duty to vote, it’s our duty to be informed voters. Know the issues, know the candidates.

Now, I’m not a political writer or pundit. I’m just an average person who gets really interested in politics every four years. It’s important to me. Also, I’m a proud liberal Democrat. The blood in my veins runs blue. President Obama doesn’t need to campaign for my vote; he has it just by showing up. There are Republicans out there who feel the same way about their party and candidate. And that’s great. But there are just as many undecided and independent voters out there who really do weigh the candidates equally, who consider the issues that are important to them. Or maybe they’re just not as interested in politics or as engaged as some of us are so they begin to pay attention as election day draws near, when they start to formulate their opinions based on the often desperate claims made by panicky surrogates as the poll numbers shift and tighten.

This is the beauty of our electoral process: each of us is allowed our opinion, every vote actually does count, and all the information we need to make informed decisions is virtually at our fingertips.

I only see one clear choice here: President Obama needs to be re-elected. Here’s why:

1. President Obama gets stuff done. Despite the Republican agenda to simply deny President Obama a second term, and block nearly everything he tried to get through Congress, the president still was able to accomplish the following:

  • The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009
  • U.S. Auto Industry saved from collapse
  • New-home sales saw biggest jump in 47 years
  • $77 billion provided for reforms to strengthen elementary and secondary education
  • Repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell
  • Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act
  • North American Wetlands Conservation Act
  • Benefits for veterans vastly improved
  • Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act
  • Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, instituting equal pay for women
  • Largest reform of student aid in 40 years
  • New Patient’s Bill of Rights
  • Federal deficit shrank 8% year-on-year
  • Obamacare, providing affordable healthcare for MILLIONS
  • Osama Bin Laden killed
  • 7.8% Unemployment

These are just a few of President Obama’s many accomplishments in his first term, when our elected Congress worked tirelessly to block everything he tried to do. If he could do all of this in just four years, imagine what progress can be made in four more.

2. You or someone you love is part of the 47%.

3. Mitt Romney is not qualified. His experience in the private sector is weak because as a CEO, your sole interest is to make money for your company (even if that means firing people and shipping jobs overseas). Romney’s experience as Governor of Massachusetts should come into play here, but it’s inadequate. When Romney was in office in Massachusetts, it ranked 47th among all the states in terms of job creation, which is one of the main topics of Romney’s campaign: the 12 million jobs that he plans to magically create.

4. For all of the good things going on in the world, it’s fair to say that the world is in turmoil. Just look at the Middle East. President Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009. I’d say this qualifies him as the clear choice for foreign policy, not to mention ending the war in Iraq and killing Osama Bin Laden. When Mitt Romney traveled abroad, visiting England during the Olympics, he embarrassed himself and offended our closest ally.

5. Trickle down economics does not work for a sustained economy. Period. Wealthy Republicans love it because it keeps their pockets lined, but ask any economist, right or left, and the evidence is overwhelming. We tried it, it failed. Miserably. Do we really need to try it again?

6. Mitt Romney doesn’t know who he is. How can you be the leader of the Free World, and yet not know who you are? In his Senate campaign against Senator Kennedy, Romney ran to the left of Kennedy on issues of gay rights and abortion rights and now he’s pandering to the far-right wing of the Republican party with a pro-life, anti-gay marriage platform. Romney ‘s healthcare reform in Massachusetts, his greatest accomplishment as governor, is nearly the same as Obamacare, which he now opposes. Do we need to talk about his $15 trillion tax cuts and various other flip-flops?

7. We’ve all heard about Governor Romney’s taxes and his off-shore accounts and his bazillion dollars hidden under the mattress, but did you know this…

From Mother Jones:

On the campaign trail, Mitt Romney rips President Obama’s policy on China and talks tough against the rising global power. “We’re going to crack down on China,” he said at a recent event in Ohio. “They’ve stolen our jobs; that’s gotta stop.” But according to Romney’s recent tax returns, between 2008-2011 Romney invested more than a half million dollars in the stocks of 10 Chinese companies—including firms that embezzled, partnered with Iran, and stole US intellectual property.”
(emphasis is mine)

I don’t know about you, but I think this is pretty big deal. Like a huge freaking deal.

So the information is all there. People have their opinions and will vote for whichever candidate they feel will help them and their family the most. The facts are facts and some will choose to ignore them and some will argue left-wing media conspiracy, we’ve all heard it.

But for me, the choice is clear: I am a woman and I want to be able to control my own body and make my own decisions. I am a mother of daughters for whom I want the same thing. I don’t make a million dollars a year and I want my children to be able to go to college and have all of the same opportunities as their wealthier peers in school.

They are smart and talented and work really hard—college should be affordable for them. I want my children’s future to be in a safe world, free from tyranny and threats to our country. I have an elderly mother who depends on Social Security and Medicare and I don’t want her to have to worry about paying for her medications. I’m a veteran and the wife of a veteran who served twice in Iraq. We have earned benefits that we don’t really need right now, but in twenty years we will need them to be there for us.

Most importantly, I’m a citizen of the greatest nation in human history. Our country was built on principles of liberty and freedom, of equal opportunity and hope for all, not just the few. Not just the one percent or the two percent or even the 53 percent. All. And I will vote for a president who will preserve those principles.

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  • Reggie Beauchamps

    Another day, another ignorant Obama cultist.

  • Another day, another drive-by GOP-bot.

  • Clavos El Genio

    Another day on the sniper range — bullets flying from both directions.

  • patty

    And o agree with everything you have said here, Obama is my choice!

  • Typical American approach, innit, El Genio? Shoot first, think later.

    It’s rubbing off on me. This is disturbing. The other day I even ate beef jerky.

    I need to increase my tea consumption to compensate.

  • yeah, that should persuade her, Reggie.

  • Chantal

    El Bicho….. exactly. I’m totally reformed now. He sure told me!
    *eye roll*

  • Clavos El Buey

    It’s rubbing off on me. This is disturbing. The other day I even ate beef jerky.

    OMG Doc!!

    Put the jerky down slowly, keeping your hands in sight at all times…OK, now step away from the jerky — HANDS IN SIGHT!!!

    Good. Now SLOWLY reach for the bangers…

  • Baronius

    Yeah, the English never eat disgusting meat products…

  • Dr Dreadful

    Baronius, we English are very proud of our long and glorious history of consuming the most revolting meat products. (You literally do not want to know what’s in our sausages, faggots, meat pies, meatballs, puddings etc.)

    However, all of the above are prepared and eaten with panache, which is the very antithesis of what is embodied by the jerky stick.

  • Clavos El Buey

    I never realized panache was such an important ingredient in British cooking..:)

  • Dr Dreadful

    Yes, Clav, especially immediately prior to the start of Lent!

  • Baronius

    I once stared down an English pudding and managed to consume it. Positively Cthulhu-like.

    Everyone does realize that the Lilly Ledbetter Act didn’t institute equal pay for women, right? Equal pay for women had been the law for 45 years. The Lilly Ledbetter Act extended the period for lawsuits over pay discrimination, nothing more.

  • Dr Dreadful

    I’ve often wondered about you, Baronius, and I’m not talking about your surprisingly encyclopaedic knowledge of the Lilly Ledbetter Act!

  • Baronius

    More like wikipaedic.

    I realize that I’m not going to persuade everyone that my politics are right, just like I’m not going to persuade everyone about religion. I figure though that if I can get one or two ideas across, and correct a couple of errors, then maybe the net effect of millions of people like me can steer someone to arrive at the truth. So, item one: the Lilly Ledbetter Act is being oversold by the Democrats. It didn’t help women, except for those women who are lawyers, and it hurt those women who run businesses or are affected by the economy
    (in other words, everyone but lawyers).

    Item two: “new-home sales saw biggest jump in 47 years” is like Warren’s article about growth rates. It doesn’t make sense to talk about the increase or decrease without looking at the absolute value. The housing market is terrible. I’d hope that those who supported my criticism of Warren’s piece will recognize that this article does the same thing.

    Item three: nah. I’ll leave it to someone else.

  • Reggie Beauchamps

    We have Americans dieing in the middle east while our president is talking about Big Bird on the campaign trail.

    Oh yeah, he’s the clear choice all right.

    He’s a failed empty suit with no leadership ability and an embarrassment to this nation.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Baronius –

    the Lilly Ledbetter Act is being oversold by the Democrats. It didn’t help women, except for those women who are lawyers, and it hurt those women who run businesses or are affected by the economy (in other words, everyone but lawyers).

    Ah. So it was much better, then, to continue the conservative Supreme Court’s arbitrary decision to limit to SIX MONTHS AFTER INITIAL EMPLOYMENT the time frame in which a woman could complain about unequal pay for equal work, even though many – and perhaps most – people in the private sector do not know beyond a rough approximation what their co-workers are getting? Is that what you’re saying?

    It doesn’t make sense to talk about the increase or decrease without looking at the absolute value. The housing market is terrible.

    The housing market is no longer ‘terrible’, but it feels like you’re comparing it to our housing market in the mid-2000’s. We’ll likely never again see such a run-up as we did in the mid-2000’s…and we should HOPE that we don’t see it again. Why? Because part of the cause of the Great Recession was the correction of the values of wildly overpriced houses (mine was foreclosed, too – it was $200K underwater). The mid-2000’s housing bubble was caused by mortgages that were approved for just about all and sundry without regard for ability to pay…and I’m sure that you know this already.

    So…no, the housing market is not ‘terrible’. It’s still not that good yet, but it’s certainly getting better.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Reggie –

    On the day Obama took office, we were losing over 700K jobs per month, the economy was in free fall, and we were in two wars – AND he has faced what is quite literally the most obstructive Congress since the Civil War. Other than FDR and Lincoln and the Founding Fathers, can you name a single president who faced such a mess when he took office? In fact, the case can be made that even FDR had it better when he took over.

    But I get it – you’re just like my Tea Partier brother – since Obama couldn’t just snap his fingers and magically make things all better within a day or two, well, THAT means he’s a complete and utter failure!

  • Baronius

    Glenn – I think there’s a way you can program one of the F keys on your keyboard to automatically generate “Yay Democrats! Boo Republicans! Race! [submit]”.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Baronius –

    So instead of intelligently replying to what I pointed out in #17, you post a non sequitur.

    Is that really the best you can do? Or do you feel your arguments are not strong enough to refute what I pointed out? Or do you just think it’s unfair for me to defend something Obama has done when you and the other BC conservatives claim that he’s done something bad – especially when the accusation is IMO quite wrong?

    One more thing, Baronius – do you not remember the many times I pointed out that Reagan was one of our five best presidents ever? Or the several times I said that Bush 41 was a good and courageous president? In fact, I’ve said NOTHING bad about Bush 41 other than about Iran-Contra! And how about the several times I laid the blame for our factories going overseas at Clinton’s feet? Or the times I pointed out what I think Obama’s done wrong? Hell, I even wrote a letter to the editor of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer (back in 2004, I think) sincerely congratulating Bush on Iraq’s first free elections!

    Or would that just not fit with your world view that it’s flatly IMPOSSIBLE that I’m able to have a balanced viewpoint when it comes to Republicans and Democrats?

    Tell you what, Baronius – since I HAVE said the above things, how about you do something that no other BC conservative has done: say what you think Obama and Clinton and Carter did that was good and right! How about showing that you really do have a balanced viewpoint!

    Or will you stick to the Republican line that Democrats are never ever right, that we’re nothing but bad for America, for fear that saying otherwise would that cause you to be forever rejected as a RINO, to be cast into the outer darkness where there are Obama hope-and-change bumper stickers and gay pride marches?

    And while you’re at it, answer the question I asked Reggie in #18….

  • Reggie Beauchamps

    Earlier today Obama campaign manager Stephanie Cutter stated that the Benghazi killings have only become a political issue because Romney and Ryan have talked about it on the campaign trail.

    Is this woman trying to give Debbie Wasserman-Schultz a run for the money in the biggest fruit loop lefty of the year race?

    Things are not going very well in Obamaland.

    An American embassy is attacked, an ambassador and three other Americans brutally murdered and Cutter thinks the only reason people are talking about it or interested in learning more about what happened is because Mitt Romney brought it up?

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Oh, Reggie –

    I notice you ignored the question in #18. And btw, did you know that it was the House Republicans who voted to cut $331 million dollars from the Obama administration’s request for security for our embassies worldwide?

    But hey, that’s the Republican Party for you! Cut the funding for embassy security by hundreds of millions of dollars, but pretend they’ll still be able to stay safe! Just like funding for schools – slice education funding to ribbons (like in Texas where forty-one percent of college-educated school teachers have to have second jobs in order to make ends meet), but expect the school teachers (even the ones with second jobs) to be able to do better jobs teaching our kids!

    Reggie, here’s a clue – YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR…and if you aren’t willing to pay a premium price, you sure as heck aren’t going to get premium service. It works that way with taxes, too.

    And when are you going to answer the question in #18? Hm?

  • Also an embarrassment to the nation: not knowing how to spell “dying”.

  • Clavos El Buey

    Also an embarrassment to the nation: not knowing how to spell “dying”.

    And the “nation” should be embarrassed; he probably was taught (or not, as the case may be) in a government school; he’s not the only one, there are tens of millions out there who were cheated by one or all of the governments “running” their schools.

    That’s what too often happens when you have to go to public school in the USA…

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Yeah, Clavos – that’s why Republicans think we should slice-and-dice school funding. After all, don’t our children get much better educations when their teachers have to have second jobs just to make ends meet…as is the case with 41% of all teachers in Texas?

    If you want our teachers to perform as well as teachers in the best nations (educationally speaking), then it MUST start with paying them as much as they’re getting paid in those other nations (relative to the economy and the cost of living). If you pay teachers a pittance, then while you’ll still get a lot of teachers who love to teach no matter how little they get paid, you’ll miss out on a heck of a lot of teachers who choose a different career instead just so they don’t have to have a second job just to make ends meet!

    You get what you pay for, Clavos – and if you pay crappy salaries, you’re going to get crappy results.

  • Baronius

    Who faced a bigger mess than Obama upon taking office? Honestly, Glenn: Mitt Romney. Fewer jobs, more debt, a lower credit rating, less world respect, and an entitlement mess that I can’t wrap my head around.

    And I guess that’s an answer to your “what did Obama do right” question too. I knew that I wasn’t going to like his policies, but I’ve been stunned by just how across-the-board bad he’s been. I never expected the health care bill to be so misguided, and then I didn’t think it would go through. I figured he’d add a trillion dollars to the debt in the first year, but I never expected him to exceed that every year. I figured he’d have a few foreign policy triumphs, and I was wrong there as well. I mean, yay Bin Laden’s gone, and yay for a lot of other people who were hiding in Pakistan being gone too, but Europe and China can smell weakness, and the Islamic world can smell blood.

    I can generate a kind word or two about Clinton, and I’m always ready to criticize Bush. I guess my comment about your rote partisanship is more contemporary than that: every story you tell has Obama as the hero. We’re really messed up here. Is there nothing that you can point to and say he’s done wrong?

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Baronius –

    Who faced a bigger mess than Obama upon taking office? Honestly, Glenn: Mitt Romney. Fewer jobs, more debt, a lower credit rating, less world respect, and an entitlement mess that I can’t wrap my head around.


    Dude, you REALLY need to be given a urinalysis test, because you’re doing some REALLY good drugs!

    Baronius, your words are almost never silly – I mean, not silly to the level of Warren…but this one more than qualifies.

  • Clavos El Buey

    And yet, Glenn, The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) reports:…”In 2008, the United States spent $10,995 per student on elementary and secondary education, which was 35 percent higher than the OECD average of $8,169.” [Emphasis added]


    “Among the OECD countries reporting data in 2008, the top five countries spending the highest percentage of their GDP on total education expenditures were Iceland (7.9 percent), Korea (7.6 percent), Israel (7.3 percent), Norway (7.3 percent), and the United States (7.2 percent).”

    And, in an article about US expenditures vis a vis those of other countries, Reason points out:

    “If reform is to be defined by something other than the amount of money flushed down the toilet, it is time to reverse the flow of power from the top (administrators, school districts, teachers unions, governments) to the bottom (students, their parents, and taxpayers who want their money spent wisely). A first step in that direction is to change our teacher labor market practices in terms of both hiring and firing. On the hiring end, there are too many restrictions on who can become a teacher. On the firing end, we need to restore the relationship between job retention and job performance. Lisa Snell, director of education at the Reason Foundation (the nonprofit organization that publishes this magazine and does public policy research), points out in an email one recent example of how bad a school’s labor practices can be: “L.A. Unified School District laid off hundreds of its top teachers and replaced them with lower-performing teachers with seniority.” [Emphasis added]

    No, Glenn, just paying teachers more is not enough; you can’t guarantee excellence simply by paying more. The entire structure for teachers needs a makeover: from revamping how we educate the teachers themselves, to the proposals on hiring and firing outlined above are what is needed if we are ever to improve the quality of US lower school education. Interestingly, our university level teachers’ education is vastly different from that of the lower school teachers. The lower school teachers headed to become say, English teachers are only required to take one third the number of English credits that a student headed for college-level teacher must take,;even just an English major with no intention of teaching must take three times as many courses in the discipline as the College of Education student takes.

    The average salary for full time public school teachers in 2010 and 2011 was $56,069 in current dollars (i.e. dollars that are not adjusted for inflation). In constant (inflation-adjusted) dollars, the average salary was about 3 percent higher in 2010 2011 than in 1990 1991.
    SOURCE: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics. (2012). Digest of Education Statistics, 2011 (NCES 2012-001), Introduction and Chapter 2 ; U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, Schools and Staffing Survey, Teacher Data Files, 2007, 2008.

    It’s interesting to note that the average elementary school teachers’ salaries in 15 OECD countries in 2009 were below the US average, as was the OECD average. Among the countries paying their teachers less are: France, Scotland, Italy, Australia, England, Norway, Sweden, Greece, Israel, Slovenia, Iceland, Chile, Turkey, Czech Republic, Hungary, Estonia, Poland, Slovak Republic.

  • Reggie Beauchamps

    “I notice you ignored the question in #18. And btw, did you know that it was the House Republicans who voted to cut $331 million dollars from the Obama administration’s request for security for our embassies worldwide?”

    Gee by that logic Glenn I guess the GOP should be taking credit for killing Bin Laden because they voted for defense spending right?

    The fact is that 4 Americans died in Libya on Obama’s watch. Spin it any way you want but the president is responsible for protecting the lives of Americans on our shores and abroad and in this case he failed to do so.

    The poor showing in last week’s debate by Obama coupled with the Banghazi scrutiny and swing in the polls toward Romney has thrown the Obama campaign into panic mode.

    Cutter’s assertion that the only reason people are talking about Benghazi is because of Romney is patently absurd as is the spin the Obama accolytes are doing right now. But then again shirking responsibility while deflecting the blame to others is Obama’s bread and butter play.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Reggie –

    The fact is that 4 Americans died in Libya on Obama’s watch. Spin it any way you want but the president is responsible for protecting the lives of Americans on our shores and abroad and in this case he failed to do so.

    Ah. So ignore the $331M that the House Republicans cut from the embassy security budget. Okay, if you want to say it’s completely Obama’s fault since it was on his watch, then what are we to say about Your Boy Bush. Remember 9/11? Are you aware that he was told not once, but several times in the daily security briefings that bin Laden was going to attack, and yet he ignored those warnings? After the last warning, he looked at the CIA representative and said, “Okay, now you’ve covered your ass” by giving him the warning.

    As a direct result of Dubya’s ignoring the warnings, 9/11 happened, about 3,000 Americans died, we invaded Afghanistan to go after bin Laden, and THEN we invaded Iraq (which had NOTHING to do with 9/11).

    What’s the point? If you want to hold Obama accountable for the four who died in Libya, then you MUST hold Bush accountable for the three thousand who died in 9/11, the several thousand American military who died in the wars, and the 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children who died in our illegal and unwarranted invasion of Iraq (and the trillions of dollars we’ve spent on those wars)…all because Your Boy Dubya didn’t want to listen to what the CIA was telling him!

    And while you’re at it, hold Reagan accountable for the 300 Marines who died the bombing in Beirut, and hold both Reagan and Bush 41 accountable for Iran-Contra!

    Reggie, you need to learn to be careful when you start pointing out mistakes made by the guy you really hate…especially when your own side has made mistakes that were far greater.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Clav –

    I will give a more detailed rebuttal later this weekend or Monday, but let me point out a couple things.

    “L.A. Unified School District laid off hundreds of its top teachers and replaced them with lower-performing teachers with seniority.”

    Really? In my experience, when there’s a claim that looks so egregious as this does, there’s usually a lot more to the story. For one thing, it makes it look like the senior teachers weren’t already working.

    Second, I hope that you remember that I’ve had my own gripes with the teacher’s union, and their refusal to get rid of tenured teachers who do not perform well is my biggest single gripe. BUT that in and of itself is nothing more than cherry-picking when it comes to the much larger issue of overall funding.

    even just an English major with no intention of teaching must take three times as many courses in the discipline as the College of Education student takes.

    First off, IF this is true, one has to bear in mind that the profession of teaching that involves FAR more than just knowing the subject. If you’re going to limit the requirement for a teacher to a four-year degree, then you’ve got a LIMITED amount of time for that prospective teacher to learn all that is necessary…and when it comes to teaching the basics of the English language, having a teacher who knows HOW to teach, HOW to maintain discipline in the classroom, HOW to identify the ever-widening range of psychological, physical, and social problems facing the kids in the classroom is FAR more important than sending in someone who’s had three times the education in English, but has had far less formal education on HOW to teach and on HOW to identify and address the problems I listed above.

    You pointed out funding – if teachers were already getting paid plenty, Clav, then why are 41% of teachers in Texas moonlighting? And look again at my post – the teachers’ salaries have to be comparable to those of the teachers in the better nations relative to the respective economies. Most of those nations you listed have socialized health care – our teachers have to pay for health insurance out of pocket. Several – or perhaps most – of those nations have significantly lower costs of living.

    H.L. Mencken once said “For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.”

    Slicing-and-dicing education budgets is a wonderful example. The problems pointed out by the author of the Reason article did not even come close to addressing the complexity of the problem…and neither did you.

  • Dr Dreadful

    If you’d asked me a few weeks ago I’d have said the election was Obama’s to lose. Regrettably, he seems to have taken that as a challenge.

    I’m not talking so much about the embassy attack: no nation’s foreign policy is ever going to make everyone in the world happy, particularly in the case of a country as influential as the US. It did happen under his watch, as have similar incidents during the tenure of every president since time immemorial, and the buck does stop with him, but there really wasn’t much he could have done to prevent it.

    Nevertheless it was politically damaging, and then he goes and follows it up by muffing the first debate with Romney, a man with all the charisma of an accountancy textbook and as comfortable in the public eye as a deer at a wolf sanctuary.

    Playing the homo vester quoque blame game is pointless, Glenn and Reggie, since no politician is going to own up to his mistakes – particularly not in the middle of an election campaign, which these days in America is pretty much a permanent state of affairs.

  • Reggie Beauchamps

    Why is it that every time someone points out Obama’s failings every fruit loop lefty goes back to Bush? Bush was less than perfect too, we all know that. But it’s 2012 and Obama is the president. Pointing out Bush’s failings is a piss poor tactic of defending Obama’s.

    For the record, regardless of who wins this election, the 20 trillion debt marker is coming up round the bend.

  • Dr Dreadful

    “Fruit loop lefty”: I like that. I think we should all have T-shirts printed.

  • Baronius


    Yeah, ha ha ha.


    (Laughing politely. Not sure what the joke is.)

  • Igor

    Bush was worse than “less than perfect”, he was a disaster! In foreign policy as well as domestic policy.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Reggie –

    Why is it that every time someone points out Obama’s failings every fruit loop lefty goes back to Bush? Bush was less than perfect too, we all know that. But it’s 2012 and Obama is the president. Pointing out Bush’s failings is a piss poor tactic of defending Obama’s.

    Yet most of your nominee Romney’s foreign advisers are from the Bush administration, and Romney’s economic ‘plan’ is much the same as Bush’s, if not more so. So that’s your choice – forward with Obama, whom you hate with the heat of a thousand white-hot suns, or going back to what’s pretty much the same foreign and economic policies of Bush.

    Your choice, Reggie.

  • Reggie Beauchamps

    Forward with Obama?

    Gee over the last four years Obama has racked up 6 trillion on our national debt.

    So forward must mean what? A man with no concern about re-election running up our national debt another 6-10 trillion over the next four years?

    In 2008 we had “hope,” “change,” and “yes we can.” In 2012 we have “forward?” Save me the empty platitudes and meaningless catchphrases Glenn.

    In the few bouts of verbal intercourse I’ve had with you you’ve proven yourself nothing short of a most ardent koolaid drinking Obama apologist. You’re consistent referrals to Bush point to your complete inability to defend Obama on the merits and faults of his performance as president.

    You may be fine with 6 trillion in debt in just four years, deficits in excess 1 trillion every year for the past four years and an ever increasing portion of the population having to rely on the government to get by in life but I’m not. The Obama supporters defense that “it could be so much worse” rings so much more hollow now, weeks before the election, than at any time during the past four years. I ain’t buying it and neither are millions of other Americans, many of whom voted for Obama in 2008.

    Obama is a known quantity. A known quantity who’s failed at the betterment of this nation and it’s people. I honestly don’t expect Romney to be any better than our last two horrible presidents, Bush and Obama. The ONLY reason I am voting for him is because I know Obama will only make matters worse if re-elected and there is a very small part of me that hopes, maybe, just maybe, Romney will surprise us all and do right by the people. It’s a very small maybe, minute, but it’s the only thing I have to cling to in this election.

  • Baronius

    The biggest mistakes that Bush made economically were when he acted like a Democrat – the health care expansion, TARP, and the first stimulus.

  • jasmin

    Obama is awsome!!!!

  • Igor

    If “fruit loop lefty” is intended as a slur, it doesn’t work. Most of the gays I know are very conservative.

  • ty

    I think Obama is better becaue Obama is better

  • Reggie Beauchamps

    Igor, fruit loop refers the cereal and not the sexual orientation of gay people. I also use it because of the alliteration “loop lefty.” I’ve found that most people tend to be found of alliterations. Oh and for the record, my conservative leanings tend to be more concerned with financial affairs rather than social affairs. I am in support of gay marriage 100% but generally don’t feel the need to engage in discussions about it or other social issues that I don’t view as nearly important as the economic issues we face.

  • Baronius

    I have to wonder, did Igor really believe that Reggie was smearing liberals as homosexuals using what as far as I know is an obsolete term? If Igor believes that, then he’s reading these comments through a dense lens of preconceptions. If he doesn’t, he took a cheap shot.

  • Baronius

    Reggie, I’ve got to say that I’m sympathetic, but the problem is that social liberalism is expensive. Most of us aren’t quite ready for full monty libertarianism, and abandoning people who are making ruins of their lives (or more often, abandoning people who find their lives in ruin). The breakdown of the family costs us a fortune in prisons, drug treatment, remedial education, et cetera. Cut it all to the bone, and we’d still be losing a fortune in declining productivity, property loss, et cetera. And that’s not even bringing up the question of humanity. If you look at California, you can see the results of an attempt at social liberalism and fiscal conservatism. Sure doesn’t look like they saved much money under Arnold.

  • Who is the “we,” Baronius? I presume you;re speaking of conservatives such as yourself.

    Another lingering question: What makes anyone the judge as to whether somebody else “ruins” his or her life? Aren’t we being patronizing here just a little?

    The connection you’re postulating between “social liberalism” and the incarceration rate, let alone “ruined lives,” is indeed a tenuous one, very tenuous. And if there indeed is such a connection, then the terms of your discourse are very simplistic.

  • Very well said! If only Obama’s campaign could do as good of a job promoting his accomplishments. I do believe his policies will be much better for the country’s future but people are impatient and expect things to change immediately. Romney’s people are using that against Obama. Let’s see what happens!

  • Baronius

    Roger – We don’t have to agree on everything to sense some reasonable range of self-actualization. I think that we could agree that teenage suicide, for instance, is sub-optimal. The suicide rate is much higher among children of broken homes. That’s got to be discouraging.

    We may all set the ruination bar at different heights, but I think we can all intuit that there is such a bar. If I recall correctly, you used to work with under-educated kids. We can agree that they were better off getting more education, right? That’s a judgement call, a comparison between two ways of life and a declaration that one of them is better.

    I think about an old acquaintance of mine who used to sniff paint fumes. I have trouble with any theory of human nature that sees him as fulfilled. Liberatians will say that if a person wants to damage himself, we shouldn’t try to stop him. But I don’t even get a sense that some libertarians would have a problem with his decision-making. He was using his personal freedom to do something that made him happy, so we can’t judge his actions? I can’t buy that.

    Call it simplistic or patronizing if you want to, but somewhere along the continuum of being hit by a snowflake to being hit by an avalanche, you’ve got to make a judgement call that something’s gone wrong. This is apparent. Only someone under the influence of a flawed philosophy could think otherwise.

  • No argument. Baronius. once you couch matters thus. I only objected to such phrases as “broken homes” or the incarceration rates being thrown around loosely, as though some evident by-product of “social liberalism.” Both of us know that the reasons are many, and that to throw everything at the liberalism’s feet is a cop-out. That’s what I meant by “simplistic.”

  • WT

    You epitomize of what’s wrong with this country, you wantonly vote in ignorance and are proud of it, very sad.

  • WT:

    Chantal wrote a four-page article explaining in detail exactly why she intended to vote for President Obama.

    Whether you agree with her reasons or not, to dismiss her as “wantonly voting in ignorance” is fucking rude.

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