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I went and I voted and I hope that you will too.

The ability to vote for our leaders is a right which is undervalued and sold cheaply here in the United States. You can buy votes for $20 in Louisiana, Missouri and several other states, because too many of us have forgotten or just never knew how important the right to vote really is.

As the generation which lived through the fight for universal voting rights in the 1960s ages, and we raise up a new generation in government schools which teach to the test and give basic civics very short shrift, the result may be that no one remembers the value of their vote 20 or 30 years down the line, if we even still have free elections in the environment of indifference and ignorance we’re creating.

Right now our electoral process is going through a very rough transition, as modern technology begins to take over from paper ballots. Despite the fact that there has been no evidence of major problems with computerized voting machines, skepticism is running very high, and people seem to just be waiting for something to go horribly wrong.

Three movies I’d recommend watching on election day:

The Great Man Votes. A forgotten classic starring John Barrymore which addresses issues of political corruption in city politics and the wooing of the voter. Barrymore plays the only registered voter in his precinct and humor and pathos ensue as meddling biddies try to get him declared an unfit father at the same time that politicians try to win his key vote. Sadly only available on VHS and hard to find, but worth the search.

Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. The obvious and inevitable choice. Possibly Capra’s best film, in which a heroic but naive Jimmy Stewart goes to Washington on a gubernatorial appointment with no political background and has to deal with corruption, seduction and a smear campaign. Claude Rains is brilliant as.the corrupt politician who knows he has fallen from his own ideals and Jean Arthur is radiant.

The Devil and Daniel Webster. While not entirely a movie about politics, this adaptation of the Stephen Vincent Benet play is beautifully done and one of the best explorations of moral corruption ever filmed. It’s unique because it presents the veteran politician in the form of Webster as the figure of honesty and heroism who has to save a constituent who has fallen into the grip of corruption. Edward Arnold is great as Webster, but the real treat is watching Walter Huston chew up the scenery as Mr. Scratch.

Today my voting experience was fairly painless, but I left the booth with some uncertainty because I didn’t receive any kind of printed confirmation of my vote. I work with computers every day, so I know how easily they can go wrong, and that left me feeling a bit uneasy. We don’t have Diebold machines here, but how do I really know what was going on inside that gray box full of circuitry?

On the way back to my office I heard on the radio that there had already been problems in other precincts, with some having only one voting machine for hundreds of voters, generating huge lines and people having to leave to go to work without having voted. This is in one of the best run counties in a state distinguished by its lack of major election screw-ups, but people not being able to vote because of long lines on a workday really isn’t acceptable. I suspect problems like this will be reported nationwide, if only because no one likes to be kept waiting even a little bit.

But if you do face a line, call in to work and take the time and make sure you get to put in your vote.

Once you’re done, come back here and share your observations with us.

How was your voting experience? Did it live up to your expectations? Were there problems or was it smoother than anticipated? Did you make votes you already regret or felt uncomfortable with? Were you satisfied with the choices you were offered? Do you think this election will bring us better government or worse?

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  • Arch Conservative

    Here’s my prediction for today. Five..no ten… minutes after we see the first sign of a GOP victory in any race that was supposed to be close we will be hearing cries of fraud coming from the Democrats on the MSM.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    I wish I didn’t half believe that was likely, Arch.

    I expect the first and loudest complaints to be about too few voting machines in poor districts – largely the result of allocating machines based on prior turnout in those areas.

    Dave

  • Arch Conservative

    Let’s just be honest. We all know that the GOP will lose at least a couple of close races and not claim fraud while the Dems claim fraud in every close race they lose.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Given the already well documented cases of voter fraud from the left I suspect we’ll see some complaining from both sides this time, Arch.

    Dave

  • Dr. Kurt

    My voting experience was excellent. The touch-screen machine was easy & clear, it made me reconfirm my votes, and there was a paper printout on a spool. BTW, vote fraud should be a hanging offense – regardless of who does it.

  • Clavos

    Dr. Kurt wrote:

    BTW, vote fraud should be a hanging offense

    In Florida, it’s a third degree felony.

  • Nancy

    Dr. Kurt – I concur wholeheartedly: election fraud should indeed by a capital offense, regardless of party.

    My voting was easy, also, but then I’m used to computers. The poor little old grannies clocking me in were terribly uncertain how to get me name onscreen of their little tabletop unit, or how to activate the card to the machine. NOT something that instills confidence. I’d have preferred it to be in charge of a tech-savvy kid, even a 10-year-old, who knew what he was doing. Oh well. I was heartened to see that before I left at 7.08 my polling place had a long line of people out the doors. That made me feel good, even if I wasn’t sure my vote registered or went into the Diebold dirty tricks ethersphere, as ours had no spools of paper. We’ll see.

    I’m quite sure there will be plenty of cries of treason & fraud on both sides, given the usual screwups being reported.

  • Nancy

    So when is Poison Annie Coulter going on trial for voter fraud in Miami?

  • http://counter-point.blogspot.com Scott

    I actually voted last Saturday, early voting in Florida, and it was quite painless. No lines, the election workers seemed knowledgeable and friendly and the electronic machine didn’t have any problems at all.

  • Clavos

    Nancy #8,

    Since we are a third world entity and not really a part of US, there’s no such thing as voter fraud in Miami, where the dead have been known to vote and convicted felons get elected to office.

    And I’m not being sarcastic…

  • Baronius

    My voting experience was fine. On my way out, I heard a gentleman ask the man behind him if it was ok that he held a place in line for his wife. I got a real kick out of it. If courtesy and the “Rules of Cuts” are in place, democracy will survive.

  • Rocky

    I voted and it was easy and painless, compared to the 2 hours I had to wait during the last election. No problems with the machines and got to see the paper printout confirming my ballot selections. Still don’t feel incredibly confident however…especially given the whole Diebold debacle (and I live in the town where Diebold is headquartered) and the problems and irregularities cited in Ohio the last time around. I’m holding my breath until the results come in and hoping for the best. Which in my book, means out with the old and in with the new.

  • Donnie Marler

    I voted, and it was a positive experience overall. One question, Brother Nalle, as a Missourian, where do you support the statement votes can be bought for $20.00 here? I’m just curious. No one has ever offered to ‘pay’ me for my vote, and wouldn’t have enjoyed the response if they had.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    [MAHER]New Rule[/MAHER]

    Two lines at voting stations. One for senior citizens, one for everybody else.

    Alternative New Rule: Post a sign near the voting machines, that says:

    “It’s called a touch screen. Here’s how it works. You touch the fuckin’ screen, and move along. Other people have planes to catch.”

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Donnie, in 2004 a number of Democrat activists in St. Louis were indicted and ultimately convicted for a variety of election fraud crimes, including paying poor people to vote for specific candidates.

    Dave

  • Donnie Marler

    Aghh, I’d forgotten about that! You have me there. Hopefully, all is well this election.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Given the history in Missouri I’d hope that everyone there is watching things like eagles at the polls. But then we have the indictments this month of more people on voter registration fraud, so I’m afraid it’s still going on.

    But Missouri isn’t alone. As the post election controversy gets going, google the acronym ACORN and you’ll likely get all the info on vote fraud you need.

    Dave

  • Donnie Marler

    Dave, Talent has a ten point lead at this time in the Senate race, early yet, but still a far larger margin than anyone expected.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Getting late here, but it sounds like the election may be more exciting than anticipated, with a 50-50 chance of the GOP losing the Senate, depending on how a couple of very close races come out. Might be interesting to see if Bush has the balls to veto everything that comes out of capitol hill.

    Dave

  • STM

    Very good to see you did your civic bloody duty Dave. Thank me, old boy! My ancestors lost a war 200 years ago just so you could! (Possessed of incredible foresight, and on purpose, of course … you Americans have always been petulant and impatient. If you’d simply waited a while, it would have happened anyway, and you’d have ended up with a decent flag as well …. )

    Also mate, he said, with something approaching seriousness, I don’t understand why you guys refer to the Left, when it seems very centrist to me (the Democrats).

    The Right I can understand. Genghis Khan would have been proud of Bush Co, but while the Democrats might be very Left in terms of the US system, they are very centrist to my way of thinking (which probably translates to wishy-washy, as it does elsewhere).

    In reality, you are very lucky that your two main political parties are not literally poles apart. To outside observers used to the squabbling inner factions of the Labor Party as the party of the Left, you should be grateful for small miracles.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    STM, from a distance you may not see the diversity of our left here in the US. There are certainly a lot of democrats who I’d call moderate, and they are the mainstream of the party. But there’s an increasingly vocal and powerful minority who are straight-up red-flag waving, bring on the revolution, international socialists, just like the ones you have in Australia.

    Dave

  • STM

    Dave: Bastards … they are what f.cks up the Labor Party. I hope it doesn’t happen over there. I am old right Labor (as you might already have guessed), and worked for a minister in the government here who fell into that category. They genuinely have the interests of the working man at heart, are quite conservative in many ways, and want good relationships between unions, business and government.

    The Left, however, are simply loonies and very annoying. The problem is, you have to have them along for the ride as a faction if you want to win government, because of the number crunching required for party leadership.

    Shame. They should all be sent to North Korea, where they can frighten Kim Jong Il and his mates instead of decent, ordinary hardworking folk.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Sounds very much like our democratic party, STM. We’ve got the old style unionists and urban minorities who are socially conservative but support a lot of state involvement in day to day life in the form of welfare and wage controls and the like. They’re basically politically moderate. Then they have as their strange bedfellows the crazies who want to confiscate property, redistribute wealth, nationalize everything and basically give up our national sovereignty. They make for pretty strange bedfellows.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    Dave,

    Sorry to interrupt; just wanted to let you know I’ve got one in pending? :>)

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Me too Dave, check your e-mail. The strongest abortion law thus far was defeated in south dakota.

    Uh there are only two abortion clinics in Sout dakota!

  • http://dudewheresmyliberty.blogspot.com David

    This article also posted on my blog.

    Another day, another election debacle. Here’s a quick break down of my election day experience at Cuyahoga’s 15-O poll.

    I showed up at just before 12pm EST to vote today and was hit with about a 10 minute delay. While waiting I overheard the officials discussing the technical issues regarding the Diebold machines with the support staff that had just showed up.

    Apparently, a total of 5 machines were down. Two were due to the legs falling off. Another two of which the printer components were malfunctioning on and one which was had a application fault about every four votes (pictured here). This is not to mention the three printer jams that happened during the 20 minutes that I was there.

    As for my experience with the machines, it was pretty smooth overall, though the process takes about twice as long as it used to with punch cards. As a software designer, I’d have to say that the interface is garbage. The buttons are oddly colored and the continue/next buttons are randomly placed right, left or center with no consistency.

    I had already printed the ballot and marked my selections before leaving the house today which made for a good reference to review my choices both on-screen and on the print-out. The point remains that I essentially had to select and review my positions a total of four times to be sure that everything was recorded as intended.

    Upon leaving I was interviewed by an AP Press reporter and was questioned about my experience there. I told him what I had seen & heard inside and was told that mine was about the par voting experience for the day.

    The Cleveland Plain Dealer has a mid-day article here lightly describing some of the problems I was seeing today.

  • troll

    Dave says – *Might be interesting to see if Bush has the balls to veto everything that comes out of capitol hill.*

    it’s about time he started doing his job don’t ya know

    (…bet he wishes that Rove had cooked up a winning Oct. Surprise so that he could continue fiddling around and spending money)

    oh yeah – damn those socialist conspirators at MoveOn – !

  • Bill B

    We still have those old pull the curtain & lever mechanical machines. I’m assuming all went well. I happened to have the day off so I was in and out with no line at about 10:00am in about 5 minutes.

    Seems to me if we value our democracy as much as we say we do, election day should be a national holiday.

    Makes sense to me anyway.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    I’m on the MoveOn email list and they were sending me 3 get out the vote motivational email every day for the last week. They were trying their little red hearts out.

    Dave

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    BTW, 9 out of 12 state eminent domain protection referendums passed.

    Dave

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com/ Michael J. West

    I could tell you about my voting experience, but do voting experiences in Washington DC count to the rest of the nation? Obviously votes don’t.

    And I’ll just assume as a matter of course, Dave, that you include me as one of those moderate Democrats and not one of those evil socialists. :-)

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    We need to establish a test for that, Michael.

    But take a look at who’s running your party now.

    If you’re not scared then you’re not a moderate democrat.

    Dave

  • http://www.blogger.com Georgio

    My experience was a good one..I live in Tinley Park Ill and I was offered two options to vote..one was the old way and one was electronic. I choose electronic and so did most of the ppl which caused a Little delay because the curtain booths stood unused..I found the software lacking because it was hard to find the check box..it should have been a bold print and I was surprised to see that there was no way to just vote once for my whole party ..I had to go through every single name and there where at least 50 judges to vote for ..this is what took so long..I think one touch for your party would have been quicker..I then saw a printout however the print was so small I couldn’t read it..All in all it was a good experience and I was a little surprised to see all the voters there where elderly.

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com/ Michael J. West

    I haven’t decided yet, Dave. I’m not particularly worried about Harry Reid, for one, if he becomes Senate Majority Leader–although his anti-abortion stance is a little bit of a stitch.

    Pelosi? We’ll see. I’m not declared to either denounce her as a far-left-wing wacko, or praise her as a great Speaker-Elect. We’ll see. That’s all you get from me.

  • Zedd

    My experience was great. My brother relayed this story to me. He voted in a suburban town that used to be not so long ago a scary Texas town if you were black. It was one of those towns where you didn’t let the sun go down on you if you weren’t white…..

    He said, this tiny, cute elderly Black women came up saying that when she went to her precict that she had voted in since forever and they told her she couldn’t vote there, she had to go to the one that he was at, which was quite a distance away from where she lived. It was at a trailer park…. I know.. I was shocked too, so was he… He said, I thought someone was gonna call out for Sounder soon…. (again the suburb has emmerged in 5years from hick town to an up and comming place but there are still traces…). When she asked if this was the right place that she was to vote at, she was given the run around and talked down to. He said they all began to rally around her sort of “looking out”. After a while, was permitted to vote after some “checking”. She then said that her husband was real elderly and wasn’t able to walk that day, that he was in the car. She asked for a paper ballot. There was a lot of hesitation. He said they made sure to “look out” and she was walked to the car with a paper ballot and he voted.

    Wow. Changes in America. Yet for some reason I don’t feel all warm and fuzzy.

    For some of you who think its just another vollying point when discussing voting irregularities… They are whinning we don’t whine, sort of thing. How about us focusing on OURSELVES the American people instead of supporting politicians and their goals for power.

    When we speak cassually about ballot problems, we dont imagine that we are speaking of real Americans whos right to vote was denied. DENIED!! DENIED!!

    We are confortable wanting freedom to be on the march in Iraq (because that statement is a political point for “our side”)yet we don’t seem to bat an eye when real problems arise which impede real American’s civil rights. We are busy talking about who complains about irregularities more…

    Wake up America!!

  • Zedd

    Dave sez: if you’re not scared then you’re not a moderate democrat.

    Dave are you sure you are holding things together. After the complete mess that was brought on by your party. How do you make your fingers type those words. We’ve got wars and rumors of wars, its Amagedon lead by a simpleton and a drug addict mouth piece, kids are dying and the numbers are going up everyday. The world is on edge and on the brink of all sorts of chaos. Everyone hates us and thinks we are a bunch of idiots. The spin machine of the right has destroyed the political structure of this nation. The scandals within this party and its base are disgusting and filthy, yet you dare make that statement.

    Are you OKAY? Snap out of it man!!

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave, are you aware that the home page of the Politics section reads…

    “Prespare for the election with these selected articles from our series On the Road to 2008:”

    Prespare?

    I thought I was the only one who screwed up around here!

    Love Jet

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Sheesh, Jet. The election only ended yesterday. Give me some time to get it updated.

    Dave

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Oh and Zedd – the dems already won. You can give the lies and smears a rest now. They worked. Be happy.

    Dave

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Zedd!!! Dave’s not a republican, he’s one of those liberta, uh libraria… uh he one of them there uh liberatational guys

    …I think?

  • STM

    You poor buggers with those automatic (or not, sometimes) voting machines. But really, think yourselves lucky. I still get a piece of paper and a pencil. But you have to number off candidates in order of preference in Federal elections so that if your first choice doesn’t get up, the preferences are distributed accordingly in the race for tight victories (same cliches, though).

    In State and local elections, the system is different again. Can get very confusing, particularly with the State Upper House, where some years ago there were so many candidates outside the two main parties the ballot paper was literally like a table cloth (it was known as the table cloth election). The rules have since been changed as to what constitutes a political party or an idependent candidate.

    In that election, one of my mates got a seat in the State Upper House as a member of the – wait for it – New South Wales Recreation Party, whose platform (HIS) was longer weekends, less working hours, more recreation time, more government money spent on beaches, camping areas, etc, and on fun in general.

    He wasn’t required in the House that much and spent most of his time living the dream – doing recreational stuff.

    For that, he got paid a fortune and recently retired with a lifetime pension of around $75,000 a year, tax free, plus free domestic travel, on top of the new wage he earns.

    To say he is laughing all the way to the bank would be an understatement.

    But he has inspired me to set up the Beach Party.

    Only in Australia … shit I love this country.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Jet, I just call myself a Liberal these days – in order to differentiate myself from the Democrats who are anything but liberal.

    Dave

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I just nearly coughed to death on the pop I was drinking… YOU a liberal?? What’re tryin’ to do kill me?

    I thought you were a libertarian.

    by the way how did Kinky do?

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Maybe now that the election is over I can findally finish my article “I’m a Liberal, You’re a Leftist”.

    Dave

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I want an autographed copy that I can send to Arch for christmas!!!

  • STM

    Dave Nalle said: “Jet, I just call myself a Liberal these days – in order to differentiate myself from the Democrats who are anything but liberal.”

    Now I understand Dave … you’re more of a Tony Blair-type pragmatist?

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Them’s fighting words, STM. Tony Blair is a spineless yes-man who wouldn’t know a fundamental political principle if it bit him on the ass.

    Dave

  • STM

    You’ll get no argument from me on that one, old boy!

    He’s not a politician’s arsehole. Oh, actually, he IS.

    And new Labour ain’t Labour. It’s a wishy-washy somewhere else thing that’s neither one thing nor the other.

  • Zedd

    Dave:

    Was the point of your comments to ensure a win for the “conservatives”?

    My statements are based on my principles not what party I am a member of or when whomever is running for office.

    That is the point that I have been making all along. Stand as a man for your personal principles. See my humanity and not my “party”.

    As things are right now, parties only serve as a vehicle for the high school quarterbacks to continue on their track of being tagged the best.

    If you are a true Libertarian, you should understand that. However most Libertarians just think the notion of being a Libertarian sounds sexier than being just a Republican.

    We let the country go to pot. That scares me. We gave away a lot of our power to those who would manipulate us for their goals. Things went sour FAST and we sat and watched it happen. They made us feel unpatriotic for wanting to hold them accountable. They destroyed our good name all over the world. Do you think that my being concerned about that is partisan???

    I am an independent who leans democratic. What thinking person wouldn’t these past few years. But I am proud of the fact that I think, believe, endorce what I feel like endorcing…, when I feel like endorcing it…, based on my reasoning and my principles. No party is going to define what is relevant to me. I live my life so I know what matters to me.

  • http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/ Nicholas Stix

    Since I’ve lived in New York City for the past 21 years, where we have to rely on “antiquated, dilapidated voting machines” (the same kind Bill B uses), I’ve never had a problem voting.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    I too live in NYC, with its quaint, ancient, mechanical lever-pulling machines. Supposedly they are finally on their way out. I didn’t find out this year, though, since I knew I would be out of town, so I voted absentee.

    This gave me the chance to play rebel and tweak the system a bit…I voted third-party in our lopsided gubernatorial and attorney general races, wrote in Bill Clinton’s and Mario Cuomo’s names for the NY Supreme Court [the instructions said to vote for any two, but there were only two candidates, listed in both the Democratic and Republican columns! So much for democracy], and did take advantage of my one chance to vote for H.R. Clinton as senator [go ahead, hurl insults, she’s actually pretty good at the job – it’s her next ambition that worries me a bit, but more because she stirs up irrational hatred than that she would make a bad president].

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    “the dems already won. You can give the lies and smears a rest now. They worked. Be happy.”

    The main force driving independents [and even 20% of self-described conservatives and 30% of self-described evangelicals] to vote Democrat was the war. This was not the product of a lie or a smear.

    On the other hand, voters who said the economy was the most important issue also went Democratic, by about 60%-40%. This would seem to back Dave’s assertion that scare-mongering kept voters from giving those wonderful, saintly Republicans credit for the rising stock market and falling unemployment. [I don’t agree with him, but he doesn’t care.]

    Anyway… Howard Dean, Ms. Pelosi and the three incoming committee chairs who will have a say [Rangel, Dingell, Barney Frank] are already on record, yesterday, as saying they won’t try to roll back those precious Bushie tax cuts, although they are committed to raising the minimum wage. [William Safire in today’s NY Times suggests the R’s try to couple the minimum wage hike with inheritance-tax reform.] So let’s see what happens.

  • Clavos

    Zedd writes:

    However most Libertarians just think the notion of being a Libertarian sounds sexier than being just a Republican.

    Nothing like a sweeping generalization to cloak an opinion in verisimilitude.

    And:

    They destroyed our good name all over the world.

    What “good name?” Our “good name” has always been mostly a figment of our own imaginations. Ever since shortly after the Marshall Plan ended, and especially since Vietnam, we have been sneered at, vilified, and dissed by practically the entire world; especially in Europe.

    Comes with the territory; when you are simultaneously the wealthiest and most powerful society on Earth, no matter what good you might do (and we have–plenty of it), you’re in the crosshairs, and only your missteps are noted.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Was the point of your comments to ensure a win for the “conservatives”?

    Which comments are you referring to, and what ‘conservatives’ are you talking about. A great many Democrats who are ‘social conservatives’ won in this election, and that doesn’t make me at all happy, if that tells you anything.

    My statements are based on my principles not what party I am a member of or when whomever is running for office.

    That seems like a sound position to take. My principles are also my guiding force, but given those principles I do have to stand against the political party which most frequently opposes most of them.

    If you are a true Libertarian, you should understand that. However most Libertarians just think the notion of being a Libertarian sounds sexier than being just a Republican.

    Most Libertarians are idiots. The Libertarian Party is a breeding ground for buffoons. Politically I am basically libertarian or liberal, but I choose to associate myself with the Republican party because that seems like the best way to advance at least some of the things I believe in within the system which we currently have. As I see it different issues have different levels of importance, and on the most important issues the Republicans are at worst neutral as a party, while the Democrats are openly hostile. On a lot of secondary issues of lesser importance the Republican party is very conflicted between the libertarian elements and the religious right, but that’s an issue which can be resolved by purging, suppressing or marginalizing the religious freaks.

    I can’t align myself withe the Democrats simply because the basic core structure of the party is built on principles which are anti-libertarian. The party is built on exploitation, classism and statism in their worst forms, and I can’t stomach that even if I agree with them on a lot of social issues.

    We let the country go to pot. That scares me. We gave away a lot of our power to those who would manipulate us for their goals. Things went sour FAST and we sat and watched it happen.

    As someone who is a strong believer in Liberty this would bother me a great deal. IF IT WERE TRUE. But the fact is that this particular perspective on the behavior of the administration is largely a fiction cobbled together for political advantage by people who would do far worse to our liberties if they were in power and had the pretext of a terrorist attack to use as leverage. It’s horribly cynical for the people who are literally activists in opposition to basic freedoms to try to characterize relatively trivial actions by an administration which cares a hell of a lot more about liberty than they do as anti-freedom.

    I do object to a lot of what the Bush administration has done in their war on terror, particularly most of the patriot act, but I also think they’ve gotten a totally undeserved amount of innacurate cricitism and that much of what they’ve done has been cynically misrepresented for partisan purposes.

    They made us feel unpatriotic for wanting to hold them accountable.

    Bullshit. This is a talking point. It’s an opportunistic bit of spin which bears no relationship to any real action of the administration.

    They destroyed our good name all over the world. Do you think that my being concerned about that is partisan???

    No, I think it’s naive and idiotic. You don’t need to be partisan to be a dupe for political partisans.

    I am an independent who leans democratic. What thinking person wouldn’t these past few years.

    Ones who actually pay attention to what the Democrats believe and the direction their party is going would be damned leery of associating with them in any way.

    But I am proud of the fact that I think, believe, endorce what I feel like endorcing…, when I feel like endorcing it…, based on my reasoning and my principles. No party is going to define what is relevant to me. I live my life so I know what matters to me.

    I still can’t figure out how any thinking person could ever associate themselves with any kind of support of the democrats, but if you don’t see why yet, you will in the next two years.

    Dave