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I voted today.

My honest and honorable vote is a sham here in the state of New Mexico. I feel cheated. I feel like something sacred was stolen from me.

One of my favorite exercises as an American citizen is voting. I take it very seriously. It is not as much a privilege, but a sacred responsibility. It is not to be taken lightly. As I went into the Senior Center in Ruidoso I was excited. I was finally getting to vote for a woman who has a serious shot at a position of very real power. Last June, when I finally voted for John McCain in the primary, I did the lump in the throat thing, thrilled to be voting him after being a staunch supporter for so darn many months.

This was to be one of the most special moments in my life. I was getting to vote for a woman for Vice President of the United States.

A woman! A Republican woman!

I have waited for this moment since 1984 when Democrats had the opportunity to vote for Geraldine Ferraro. As a die-hard Republican I was voting for Ronald Reagan, and more importantly George H. W. Bush. Consequently, I’ve had to wait for nearly a quarter of a century for the honor and privilege of voting for a woman.

It was a nightmare.

I soon discovered that in New Mexico, in order to exercise one’s freedom to vote, said registered, honest voter is required to surrender their First Amendment rights.

Go figure.

It seems that here in New Mexico I am electioneering because I have a McCain bumper sticker, a Palin bumper sticker and an “I Support President Bush and the Troops” bumper sticker. I was greeted at the door by a volunteer who is helping with the election. I had to turn off my cell phone. I had to remove my Palin Power button. I had to go back out into the parking lot and either remove my bumper stickers, cover them, or move my vehicle.

I nearly managed to get into a shouting match with an Obama supporter because I was talking to a fellow McCain supporter in the parking lot. We were electioneering. No, I was mad and I was complaining.

I moved my vehicle to the local GOP headquarters, which is a beehive of activity. The white-draped Temple of Obama is empty. Nothing is going on there. So, we get hold of the state GOP. They make a few calls for me and find out that Lincoln is one of the few counties enforcing the “electioneering” law here in New Mexico.

Realizing there was nothing I could do, I went back to the Senior Center and parked over by the playground. There was a truck with an Obama sticker on it, so I knew this was an equal opportunity denial of First Amendment rights. That helped.

So, while I am in line, waiting to sign in, I confront the “greeter”. “Why is this one of the few counties where this rule is being enforced?”

She beams, “Why this is the only county in New Mexico where we have had no vote fraud.”

Would someone please explain how my McCain-Palin sticker leads to vote fraud, but not requiring voter identification does not?

Granted, two of the women working the polls know me. But — no one asked for my identification.

When I arrived home I started making phone calls. Okay, I’m mad as heck and not going to take it anymore. The line in the sand begins here in Lincoln County. Enough is enough. Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn about disenfranchising fraudulent and deceased voters. Let ‘em cry foul. I’ve had it. I’ve also reached the point that anyone who bellyaches about vote fraud and disenfranchising voters is up to no good.

My sacred vote was degraded. It was trivialized. It was made almost meaningless by the looming prospect of rampant vote fraud here in New Mexico, enabled by our locally elected members of the New Mexico legislature who are more interested in maintaining their corrupt majority than they are doing what is right and honorable.

New Mexico is one of the most corrupt states in the nation. All that matters is maintaining power, no matter who is corrupted or destroyed. It doesn’t seem to get any better. Why the heck did I even bother voting?

The more I think about it the angrier I become.

My vote was diminished because of fraud. My honest vote is now held hostage to a system that openly endorses and approves of fraud. You may think this is fine, acceptable and it gives everyone an equal chance, but would you like to know something? I don’t care anymore. I am sick and tired of having liberal touchy-feely do-good kaka shoved down my throat as good for everyone when it is nothing but a license for corruption. It was manipulated by corrupt politicians to maintain their position in life, and abetted by their equally corrupt associates.

I am tired of the fact that we must pander to individuals who don’t have brains and ambition enough to go out and register themselves to vote. Voting is a responsibility. It is not a lesson in liberal social engineering and something to be taken lightly. If a person can’t take it upon themselves to register to vote, and or change their address, then by golly, they don’t need to vote.

Once these people are registered, they aren’t required to show any form of identification when they vote. If someone has the nerve to ask for said identification they scream racism, foul, and discrimination. Guess what? I no longer care.

If you don’t want to show a picture identification there is clearly something wrong with you. If you belong to an organization which wants to make a big deal about it I now automatically suspect you of aiding and abetting fraud. I think voter registration fraud should be punished. Anyone who is actively involved in it should lose their right to vote, forever. Anyone who votes fraudulently should lose their right to vote, forever. Anyone who helps them should lose their right to vote, forever.

When a political party votes to limit the amount of identification a voter must show, they are actively abetting fraud. They are lying. They are cheating. They are diminishing my rights.

It has occurred to me that my rights are just as important as the rights of those who seek to destroy them. I think this is my new crusade, re-enfranchising the overwhelming majority of honest Americans who are wrongly, and silently allowing this sort of immoral activity to occur. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Morality is morality. Allowing anyone to vote without picture identification is immoral. It is obscene.

I’m mad. I’m no longer putting up with this sort of corruption. You see, if I am criticized for not wanting every little twit to vote you are wrong. I am all for anyone legally voting. If someone starts crying foul and going around with their liberal little feelings dripping with hurt and tears – get over it.

What are you trying to hide?

It’s like a bunch of roaches running from the light. They’re up to something no good. Anyone who does not want voters to show a picture identification is like that roach, up to no good.

As far as I’m concerned it’s Bunker Hill all over again. If you don’t know what Bunker Hill was then you sure as heck don’t deserve to even be allowed to walk into a polling location, let alone vote.

This is war.

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  • Arch Conservative

    There is no legitimate reason whatsoever to oppose the requirement to provide id when voting.

    Those who do oppose it seek to committ voter fraud.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    ALL precincts in Virginia do NOT allow voters to show up with buttons, tee shirts or any thing with campaign material on it. Don’t think it applies to cars.

    Everyone must show their voter ID card. If they don’t have one, they have to show a picture ID and be on the rolls. If they don’t have an ID they will be given a provisional ballot and will have to show up the next day with a photo ID in order to have their vote counted.

    WHAT is the big deal????

  • Cannonshop

    Same here, Lisa-you leave your campaign buttons, teeshirts, etc. in the car (and hope nobody sees your bumper stickers or window-signs) when you go to the polls. I once had a Poll worker tell me to get rid of my hat because it had the seal of the National Rifle Association! They didn’t have a problem with my Union jacket though…weird, huh?

  • troll

    Lincoln has always been an odd county…but look on the bright side – you might have been trying to vote in Rio Arriba

    or Taos where the Repubs were unable to field one candidate in any local election this cycle

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Here is another article about a fraudulent multiple registration, by someone who should know better. According to the article,

    Susan Spear, Hall’s campaign director, said Little left the campaign after a posting on a blog by an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College in Pennsylvania mentioned Little was one of a group of about 150 people with sketch residencies who are registered to vote in Franklin County, Ohio.

    “We called her to find out what the facts were and based on our conversation, her contract terminated,” Spear said.

    Current records show Little residing in New Paltz, but according to the blog, http://wthrockmorton.com, Little is registered to vote in Ohio.

    Little is residing in the headquarters of Vote Today Ohio, a grassroots group that supports Barack Obama.

    There is an old Welsh saying, Many a mickle makes a muckle.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Cindy D

    My vote was diminished because of fraud.

    Republicans purged Democrat voter rolls where you live too, huh? Or maybe they Or maybe Republicans installed the “Easy-Hack 2008″ black box voting machines where you live? Or maybe they conveniently failed to recalibrate the machines, so that all of them (from different companies even) would stop switching Democrat votes to Republican candidates.

    Or maybe you had to stand in line for 8, 10, 12 hours like voters in poor Democratic neighborhoods. Stand in line until you fainted, like one disabled woman did and had to be taken home saying, “I tried.”

    Maybe Republicans tried to stop Democrats from voting where you live by ripping up their registration forms…like:

    …Nathan Sproul, former Republican Party chief for Arizona, who ran a multistate voter drive in 2004. Some of his former employees have told reporters that his group destroyed registration forms filled out by Democrats, fired canvassers who turned them in and submitted to state authorities only the registrations of those who said they were Republicans.

    McCain Employing GOP Operative Accused Of Voter Registration Fraud

    According to campaign finance records, a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the RNC and the the California Republican Party, made a $175,000 payment to the group Lincoln Strategy in June for purposes of “registering voters.” The managing partner of that firm is Nathan Sproul, a renowned GOP operative who has been investigated on multiple occasions for suppressing Democratic voter turnout, throwing away registration forms and even spearheading efforts to get Ralph Nader on ballots to hinder the Democratic ticket.

    That must be the fraud you are talking about, because all evidence shows that vote fraud by individuals at the polls is rare and insignificant. But voter disenfranchisement itself is widespread. And it is associated with Republicans trying to suppress Democratic voters.

    Stealing America: Vote by Vote (video documentary)

  • wdufkin

    Recently I went to the local mall to have my daughters ears pierced. She being a minor needed a parent to attend…but that’s not all. It wasn’t good enough that I was with her or that I sign a release form. She was denied the piercing until I could produce a notorized release form. Forget about her choice rights regarding her own body…what if the same standard could be applied to the right to vote? Why shouldn’t we have to prove who we are?

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    i’m looking forward to voting wearing my “Bong hits for Palin” tee-shirt.

    the bumper sticker thing is nuts.

  • Cindy D

    wdufkin,

    I guess you haven’t been paying attention.

    BECAUSE VOTE FRAUD IS RARE AND INSIGNIFICANT!

    ALL EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT THE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE ARE WORKING JUST FINE THANK YOU!

    MAKING PEOPLE JUMP THROUGH MORE AND MORE HOOPS DISENFRANCHISES THEM! WHY DO THIS FOR NO REASON?

    Mostly the disenfranchised are the poor, elderly and/or disabled. You may wish to read about this topic. There is overwhelming evidence for all my assertions.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Right ON, Cindy.

  • Cindy D

    Hey Lisa,

    That Greg Palast comic Steal Back Your Vote is great. I noticed you posted that in another thread.

    Did you also download the Rolling Stone article Block the Vote?

    It was offered along with the comic. I have been trying to find it for about a week. Thanks for that link.

    From Block The Vote

    an investigative report by John Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast

    In the century following the Civil War, millions of black Americans in the Deep South lost their constitutional right to vote, thanks to literacy tests, poll taxes and other Jim Crow restrictions imposed by white officials.

    Add up all the modern-day barriers to voting erected since the 2004 election – the new registrations thrown out, the existing registrations scrubbed, the spoiled ballots, the provisional ballots that were never counted – and what you have is millions of voters, more than enough to swing the presidential election, quietly being detached from the electorate by subterfuge.

    “Jim Crow was laid to rest, but his cousins were not,” says Donna Brazile. “We got rid of poll taxes and literacy tests but now have a second generation of schemes to deny our citizens their franchise.” Come November, the most crucial demographic may prove to be Americans who have been denied the right to vote. If Democrats are
    to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat John McCain at the polls – they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering.

  • Cindy D

    Here is a link to the Steal Back Your Vote Movie Clip Palast posted on Vimeo.

    It appears that 1 in 9 voter names vanished from the Las Vegas, New Mexico voter rolls–including that of the election supervisor!

  • Cindy D

    correction at #11: I always do that.

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    To #6 – Cindy;

    Sorry, I no longer have sympathy for any of this. I’m sick of it. As for the purged voter rolls, they have always been purged of non-voters. I know bleeding liberals think the dead still have a right to vote, but they don’t.

    I no longer care.

    Yesterday I realized something. My vote is JUST AS IMPORTANT as anyone else. I’ve decided I’m going to fight for it. I’m also going to fight for the right to have all voters be FORCED to show matching identification – with photo – in order to vote.

    Your tears and recitations of alleged suppression of alleged voters no longer moves me. You see, i’ve realized tears and protests are the last refuge of voter fraud. Anyone who protests no match no vote is up to something illegal. It’s as simple as that.

    SJR
    The Pink Flamingo

  • Cindy D

    SJ Reidhead,

    So basically what your saying is:

    “Facts mean nothing to me. I prefer to tilt at the windmills of my delusional biases.”

    Like others of your ilk, you get confused by factual information, it so often doesn’t seem to give credit to your version of reality.

    So, you’re not credible. Who gives a flying fuck what people who make shit up think?

    Stop whining about imaginary injustices done to YOU. It’s nauseating.

  • Baronius

    Feelin’ the love from Cindy. Did the Rolling Stone article point out that Democrats were responsible for all the historical voter fraud they mentioned?

    SJ, displaying campaign support near a polling place is a slippery slope. I respect them for rigorously enforcing that law. I’m with you on the ID thing, though.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    SJR –

    Welcome to the club, to having the same experience that has been shared by literally tens of thousands of Democrats. There’s one site that lists TONS of voting- and election-fraud information: bradblog.com

    Despite the name, the blog has reputable sources. But you won’t like it, because it exposes the fact that the vast majority of voter- and election fraud in America is being perpetrated by the Republican party and its supporters.

    Chances are very strong that if you check the site at all, you’ll leave it in less than five minutes, convinced that the accusations must be false, that your party is too American, too patriotic to actually be part of something so…unAmerican.

    But here’s the REASON that your Republican party does not really care about the democratic (small ‘d’) process:

    It’s right here, complete with a link to a 40-second video, where Heritage Foundation founder Paul Weyrich gave a speech in 1980 to fifteen thousand Baptist preachers in Dallas. The audience included Ronald Reagan and Jerry Falwell. During that speech, he says:

    “I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

    The Republican voter disenfranchisement efforts will cause tens of thousands of eligible voters to lose their chance to vote…and the vast majority will be Democratic voters because the Republican efforts have of course been concentrated in majority Democratic districts. If you want to see my proofs, then please read my blogcritic post here. I also show the falsity of the GOP’s attacks against ACORN (and how the Republicans did the same and worse in 2004).

    In my post you should easily see that I’m not some unpatriotic tool, but someone who looks at the evidence at hand.

    Lastly, our esteemed BC editor Dave Nalle tried to reply with a list of Democratic voter/election fraud. I never said the Dems’ hands were totally clean…but the grand total of fraud by Democrats – if all Dave’s accusations were completely proven true – were less than ONE-HUNDRETH of the proven fraud committed by the Republican party and its supporters.

    One party’s leadership believes in the democratic process. One party’s leadership thinks the democratic process is a sham. Remember who was in the audience the day the founder of the Heritage Foundation said that the fewer the people voting, the better. Fifteen thousand Baptist preachers, Jerry Falwell, and Ronald Reagan.

    Think about it, SJR. Do you yourself truly believe in the democratic process? By your post, I believe you truly do. I do suggest, then, that you reconsider your party affiliation after taking a hard look at the Republican party’s actions.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    What a daft rule.

    If someone wants to show up to the polls with their entire car covered in McCain/Palin stickers, with the windows rolled down and Rush Limbaugh blaring at top volume over the stereo, then march into the polling station with an NRA t-shirt, a Bush/Cheney ’04 baseball cap, Republican buttons pinned to every square inch of clothing and a ‘Support the Troops’ car magnet Scotch-taped to their ass, let them.

    To be sure, your vote is a private matter between you and the ballot box; but, if you choose to advertise to all and sundry who you’re going to vote for, that’s your right too.

    And I, too, am unclear exactly what not being allowed to bring partisan materials to the polls has to do with preventing electoral fraud.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    SJR –

    P.S. New Mexico is NOT the most corrupt state. Personally, I would say that dubious title belongs to Mississippi, followed closely by Alabama. Check out this article from Harper’s. It’s…enlightening.

  • http://www.glosslip.com Dawn

    Mark,

    Where are they giving away “bong hits” if you vote for Sarah Palin? Unless of course that means you take a hit BEFORE you vote for her, because that makes sense.

    As for the bumper sticker thing, that’s dumb as hell.

  • Clavos

    SJR,

    Move down here to Miami. Because we are not (culturally, at least) really part of the USA, we have rampant, open campaigning at the polls — it’s one of our many idiosyncrasies that confuse and puzzle the American tourists; another is our tendency to re-elect officials who lose their office because of a criminal conviction — as soon as they’re released, we put ‘em back in office.

  • Baronius

    That supposedly damning statement of Weyrich’s is nothing of the kind. The fact is that Republicans have a more consistent turnout than Democrats. A rainy day will lower voter turnout, which favors the Republicans. Big turnout usually means a Democratic win.

    Glenn, I thought that Louisiana was the gold standard for corruption. I haven’t checked out the Harper’s article yet, but I will.

  • pablo

    SJ,

    You said in your article:

    “It is not as much a privilege, but a sacred responsibility”

    Privilege? Pleassssse, where did you get such an absurd notion from. Privilege from whom? It is a right, which is fundamentally different that a privilege from our rulers. Responsibility? Pleassssse, says whom? It is a responsibility of government, in this case State government to not only show in a clear and concrete fashion that your vote counts but to follow it up in the actual deed, which thus far most if not all states have failed miserable in this fundamental RESPONSIBILITY. Until that time, I will not waste my time and participate in a sham.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    another is our tendency to re-elect officials who lose their office because of a criminal conviction — as soon as they’re released, we put ‘em back in office.

    In Peru, too. It’s the national sport.

  • Clavos

    It’s worth noting that the much revered Founders were decidedly against one man-one vote; some even wanted to restrict the vote to land owners and other persons of means.

    This country was NOT founded on democratic principles, despite what all of you were taught by your union teachers in your government schools.

    The “democratic” nonsense came along much later; from about the mid nineteenth century on, and not gaining real traction until the twentieth.

  • pablo

    Clavos,

    I beg to differ. Although we live in a constitutional republic, and the right to vote directly for a presidential candidate was not in the original constitution, this country is still based and has always been on democratic principles.

    Indeed the original Articles of Confederation used democratic principles, as did the adoption of the US Constitution itself. I do however not support direct democracy, nor did most of our founders, as a mob rule is a thing to dread, not to endorse.

    The ‘democratic nonsense’ that you refer to is not accurate, when looked at in this context.

  • Mooja

    To the OP; Hang in there. Fight the good fight and never give up. Without folks like you who stick to it and bother to vote we are truly lost. At the same time don’t let the politics of it consume you. We could use a little more temperament on all sides these days. We are truly fortunate in the U.S. I am so proud and grateful to be a part of it.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    SJR

    You are going to fight for the RIGHT for all voters to show photo ID.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. THE RIGHT?

    Who the hell do you think you are?

    Do you have any idea how to use language?

    What is needed to vote is a voter registration card. If there is some question, the a photo id is required.

    The RIGHT.

    Oh My God.

    You are a riot.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    BECAUSE VOTE FRAUD IS RARE AND INSIGNIFICANT!

    It’s ‘rare and insignificant’ right up until the point where it happens on a massive, nationwide scale. So what the hell is wrong with trying to put safeguards in place so that fraud is more difficult? When you have groups like ACORN clearly laying the groundwork for widespread fraud and all of these accusations against Republicans, why can’t we just be sensible about this and make the system secure.

    The FEC should get off its asses and require:

    1. Everyone must present either a voter registration card or a state issued picture ID to vote. No exceptions.

    2. Every voting machine must produce a written record of how you voted for the voter to keep.

    3. All legal ballots, including absentee and provisional ballots MUST be counted

    Now are those three things that unreasonable?

    Dave

  • Clavos

    this country is still based and has always been on democratic principles.

    Actually, as you well know, it’s based on English Common Law (itself derived from the Magna Carta), which was adopted almost in toto by the Founders, whose intent was to establish a representational republic, not a democracy.

    Only in the last 150 years or so has that idea been bastardized to the chaotic form of government we struggle with today, which is neither a republic NOR a democracy.

  • zingzing

    we are governed by cluster-fuck. we live in a nation of cluster-fuck. it’s a grand way to live.

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    Re: #29

    Dave;

    I’ve come to the conclusion those who do not want this are up to no good, I don’t care how much they cry, wring their dirty little hands, and claim disenfranchisement.

    The article in today’s WSJ alone, about the ACORN indictments is enough to give any honest citizen pause – and demand No Match No Vote.

    It is amazing how blind people can be, and how one sided their consumption of “news” is.

    SJR
    The Pink Flamingo

  • pablo

    Nalle,

    I wonder why you don’t comment on Stephen Spoonamore. Well I dont really wonder.

    You would rather use your energies to attack registration drives, as we all know that most new voters tend to vote for democrats.

    You do know don’t you that when Jefferson cast his vote for Washington, he didn’t have an id (your papers please).

    [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]

    Clavy, you said:

    “adopted almost in toto by the Founders”

    As in using a democratic principle to adopt? Or perhaps it was an edict. Smirk

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Dave

    I agree with your 1, 2, 3, It is simple
    BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE MASSIVE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. AND A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF OUR VOTING SYSTEM, including new machines everywhere.

    Good idea, though. And very basic.

    And Clavos, Yes, you are right. Absolutely. that is the way it went, in our founding. Now it is time to change a few things. I think.
    If the people wish. And can understand enough about it and how to do it:)

    No need to smirk, Pablo. That is just the way it was back then. We ARE a Republic. It is what it is.

  • Cindy D

    Feelin’ the love from Cindy. Did the Rolling Stone article point out that Democrats were responsible for all the historical voter fraud they mentioned?

    The “love” was well deserved.

    It was implied that: A) I am a “bleeding liberal” (which I am, but it’s fair to say that was a put down) B) just by having my opinion I am a criminal suspect.

    Actually Baronius, about the article, why don’t you try reading it. Novel idea huh?

  • Cindy D

    I’ve come to the conclusion those who do not want this are up to no good, I don’t care how much they cry, wring their dirty little hands, and claim disenfranchisement.

    I have come to the conclusion that some right-wing nutcases have filthy, tiny little minds, and are prepared to call anyone that doesn’t agree with them suspects.

  • Cindy D

    Interesting legal paper based on a law student who was told to remove her political button. No legalese.

    ”You Can’t Wear That to Vote”: The
    Constitutionality of State Laws
    Prohibiting the Wearing of Political
    Message Buttons
    Kimberly J. Tucker
    American University Washington College of Law

    Abstract
    My research for this article began on Election Day 2004 when I was told that I could not wear a campaign button into the polling room while voting in Virginia. The article outlines the laws of all 50 states that restrict a voter’s right to speak in and around polling places. It focuses on the 10 states that explicitly prohibit a voter from wearing “buttons” to the polls.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle


    I wonder why you don’t comment on Stephen Spoonamore. Well I dont really wonder.

    Who the hell is that? Why am I supposed to be commenting on him?

    You would rather use your energies to attack registration drives, as we all know that most new voters tend to vote for democrats.

    I believe in my list of points I also addressed the primary concerns democrats have about the elections. I have nothing at all against registration drives.

    What I don’t like is fraudulent regestrations and people being paid to vote, even if it’s with a free ride to the polls and a hot meal.

    You do know don’t you that when Jefferson cast his vote for Washington, he didn’t have an id (your papers please).

    When Jefferson voted for Washington the election was conductd by 50 guys who all knew each other. They didn’t need IDs. If you’d like to go back to that system where a small group of the political elite just pick the president, that’s fine with me.

    Dave

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    Sorry wrong link:
    ”It’s Time” Economist endorse/ Heloise who has been like 10 for 10 in terms of predictions this primary and election cycle—says “It’s time to predict a landslide.” Oops so much for modesty. But reality-check for the left: Dems only win with when it is “landslide time.”
    And with the poll showings, people showing up at the polls, people sleeping at the polls, poor black people too old to walk, too sick to be out of bed, babes in arms and they are coming on canes, walkers, oxygen tents to vote like their life depended on it. And it does.
    To my fellow Cubans in Florida, you too know what to do…vote Obama.
    Listening to the Tom Joyner Morning show made it hard to drive to work. I needed wipers for my eyes. This is sobering but not sad, sweet but not cloying, satisfying but not snarky. It is about TIME.
    Heloise

  • Cindy D

    Heloise,

    The Economist endorses Obama. Thank for that link.

    I liked the first link too Heloise :-)

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    It’s worth noting that the much revered Founders were decidedly against one man-one vote

    Clav, I don’t know if you’ve ever read any of his stuff, but I highly recommend the English author Terry Pratchett’s Discworld books. It’s an imaginary world which takes the form of a planet-sized flat disk which rides through space on the back of a giant turtle.

    The largest city on the Disc, Ankh-Morpork, is ruled by a nobleman called the Patrician. The current office-holder, Lord Vetinari, is a Machiavellian figure who is a strong advocate of ‘one man, one vote’.

    As Pratchett explains it: “Vetinari was the man, and he had the vote.”

    I think you’d enjoy the books, Clav.

  • Cindy D

    And I, too, am unclear exactly what not being allowed to bring partisan materials to the polls has to do with preventing electoral fraud.

    It has nothing to do with it. It’s just some semi-fascist dictate. Probably dreamed up by some right-wing, power-mongering, rule-making asshole who got annoyed one day at having some liberal campaigning too close for comfort. But true to form, right-wingers, when subjected to this treatment feel “disenfranchised.”

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    Dave and Baronius –

    If what you say is true, then why is the amount of wrongful voter disenfranchisement by the Republicans over a hundred times greater than the amount of supposed Democratic fraud?

    SJR –

    Why can you not address the FACTS about ACORN…such as ACORN being the FIRST to alert the states of the suspect registrations – unlike the Republican group in California in 2004?

    And Dave – how about GOOGLING Spoonamore? Hm? I posted a link to it in my article, but it looks like you didn’t want to check out my links…but I checked out yours and posted a prompt reply to each of them.

  • Clavos

    To my fellow Cubans in Florida, you too know what to do…vote Obama.

    Don’t hold your breath, Heloise. Miami Cubans overwhelmingly vote Republican; to the point that 3 of the 4 congressmen from Miami-Dade county are Republicans. The fourth has a small portion of NE Miami-Dade county in her district (including where I live), but the bulk of her district is in Broward county, which is primarily democratic.

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    I’m so psychic. Are you a Miami Cuban Clavos? Who knew. Or are you just in Miami? Well, what you don’t know is that I have PRs, Cubans and black folks (blood relatives) living all up and down Florida. Blood is thicker than water.

    And guess what? I fucking voted for Bush twice! Even an orthodox Jew like Lieberman could not win Florida. That’s why we know they stole the election. I voted for Bush and I don’t care if Ayers is an ax murderer…after what the Bush criminals have done to white people and black people…WTF?

    Tito just said that the MSM was in “the bank” for Obama, instead of in the tank…funny.

    The wingnuts stole Florida in 2000 but this is lucky 8 back for a little revenge. A black woman made “waiting to exhale” a famous quote meaning she had been “holding her breath” for years.

    Black people will always hold their breath as long as we live in a white, majority country where we are the minority minority. Pleeeze.

    Who you preaching to? You are preaching to the choir Clavos.

    Heloise

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle


    And Dave – how about GOOGLING Spoonamore? Hm? I posted a link to it in my article, but it looks like you didn’t want to check out my links…but I checked out yours and posted a prompt reply to each of them.

    I assumed it was something Pablo was on about, so I didn’t take it terribly seriously. BTW, we shouldn’t have to google things in order to know what they are about. If you want to discuss Spoonamore, you should bring him up and explain what he’s saying enough that we at least know what you’re talking about.

    Anyway, I did some research. Spoonamore has some legitimate concerns about electronic voting. I hope you didn’t get the impression anywhere that I think electronic voting is a particularly good idea. But he also goes over into the realm of conspiracy theories and makes assertions about the Bush administration and plans to steal this election for which he cannot provide solid evidence. That bothers me a great deal. Accusations based solely on suspicion without evidence are very dangerous. He’d get a lot more traction if he stuck to the factual aspects of the vulnerability of voting machines to hacking and manipulation.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    I’m a much rarer bird, Heloise, I’m a Miami Mexican.

    ¡Ño! ¿Eres cubana, Chica? Ven acá…¿naciste en este país o en Cuba?

    Y, sí en Cuba, ¿donde? ¿Cuando llegaste? ¿Eres balsera?

    ¿Te gusta Cachao?

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    Yes, I am part Cuban and proud of it. I teach Mexicans now and I feel more comfortable with them than I thought I would.

    That’s why I railed against Angelina Jolie playing an afro-cuban woman. There are white cubans but marianne pearl was black woman married to a jewish man.

    I met a white cuban woman when I was in Paris. People don’t know that there are black and white in Mediterranean folks.

    Heloise

  • Cindy D

    Bleeding Liberal:

    1) Someone who in this modern day actually understands what the word EMPATHY means, despite their cultural imperative to go for greed.

    2) One who has feelings of disappointment when faced with prospects other than not being able to afford a Mont Blanc pens, a Porsche and a Yacht.

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    wdufkin–government IDs are like taking a test to vote. Black people flunk when asked to produce a driver’s license. In the words of fiti cents: “Tru dat”

    I am talking percentages mind you. If ALL black and Mexicans and Hispanics were REQUIRED to produce i.e., prove who they were, there would NEVER be a Dem in office anywhere.

    You can take that to the republican-owned McCain scandalized, bailout-sucking backed banks.

    Heloise

  • Cindy D

    Plus add old people and poor people pf every persuasion.

  • Cindy D

    Oh, um, ah, that’s not legitimate, legitimate people only go along with what WHITE people want, dontcha know.

  • Clavos

    There are white cubans

    True. The overwhelming majority of Cubans in Miami are white.

    According to the Census Bureau, 61.3% of the population in Miami-Dade county is Latino, but only 20.2% is black, meaning that the Latino white to black ratio is 2-1.

  • Cindy D

    You R in America, the US of A, you go by what white people like, fuck minorities we don’t give a hoot what they think.

  • Cindy D

    White Cubans? Give me a fucking break.

    They’re prolly all subversive fuckers anyhoo, those damn blacks, porto-ricans and “white cubans”.

  • Cindy D

    We don’t have nunna them white Cubans in these here good ol’ U. S. of A.

  • pablo

    I also listed several links to Spoonamore

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    I’ve been watching the comments come in and am a bit shocked at the crudeness, the vile language, and the abject hatred shown to anyone who is interested in a little bit of law and order. Fortunately, I am well aware that the Obama Campaign has a tactic of hiring trolls, and paying them to watch the blogs and to comment and harass anyone who displays an differing opinion. I gather this is what is going on here.

    Where did the hatred of anything Republican come from? I’m just a little curious. I’m also curious about the trend of this conversation. I don’t quite grasp what is so wrong with a person being required to show a photo identification when they vote – and be allowed to vote only once, while they are still alive.

    You (collectively) say that only Republicans cheat at the ballot, but today’s headlines about ACORN and the relationship to Barack Obama turn your comments into canards. Either you are truly mis-informed about what is really going on in the world or you just plain old don’t care. I’m not sure which is worse.

    I am concerned about the vicious hatred that is being thrown in my direction because I am a Republican and I believe people should be forced to provide current identification when voting. The only reason a person doesn’t do this is to cheat.

    No one wants to keep anyone from voting – legally. That’s the whole point – voting legally. A person’s station in life should not be a measure of how they should be treated. I’ve know people who have nothing who were among the finest I’ve ever known. I’ve also come across paupers who are now spending life in prison for repeatedly molesting their children. I’ve known wealthy individuals who were just as bad as the worst criminal and wealthy people who are among the finest I’ve ever known.

    A person’s economic status, race, or educational background is not a measure of their character and should not be a measure of their ability to or not to vote. Nor should a person’s status be used as a wedge to create fraud. Nor should a person’s race be used as an excuse for hatred of others.

    I find one of the most remarkable aspects of our current situation the fact that “conservatives” and Republicans are among the most open-minded of individuals and “liberals” and Democrats are among the most closed-minded racially motivated people I’ve had the misfortune to encounter.

    I would never use profanity, nor call any of you names, etc. and degrade you because of political affinity, race, gender, or status. It’s too bad you can’t do the same.

    SJR
    The Pink Flamingo

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    I voted for the blue M&M.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    SJ:

    Cindy D, at least, is no troll. I believe her last few comments should be regarded as satire/pastiche.

    Nevertheless…

    [comments editing hat on]

    Cindy, I think you’ve made your point. Tone it down a little, eh?

    (Jeez, I’ll be glad when this election’s over…)

    [comments editing hat off]

  • Clavos

    If one defines “troll” as a commenter who deliberately posts provocative remarks to elicit outrage, anger, disgust or other strong reactions from other commenters, then not only is Cindy D occasionally a troll, but so are moon, Pablo, Dave, Heloise, your ‘umble servant, and, of course, troll, to name just a few seen regularly around these here parts.

    At least occasionally.

    PS Doc, The Discworld books sound interesting. Which do you recommend as a first taste?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    There are several sub-series within the Discworld canon, Clav, including those revolving around:

    – the Ankh-Morpork City Watch
    – Granny Weatherwax and her coven of witches
    – Rincewind the incompetent wizard
    – Death and his granddaughter, Susan.

    The ‘City Watch’ ones are a good place to start, and to appreciate them it’s probably best to go in order, starting with Guards! Guards!

    Enjoy!

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Discworld is known to destroy the human brain.

    Now on to more serious topics.

    SJ, I think your last lengthy comment was dead on in several respects.

    The level of hostility and anger from the left is unprecedented. It’s been building for 8 years or more and it has erupted in a level of ugliness and personal rancor which is distressing.

    If McCain somehow wins this election, it will be because of the negative reaction to the hate campaign which has been waged so relentlessly by the left.

    As for what I call ‘shillbloggers’, we’ve already seen them working for Hugo Chavez and the Red Chinese. Is it surprising that the increasingly radicalized American left would resort to the same techniques?

    Dave

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    “I no longer have sympathy for any of this”

    “bleeding liberals”

    “I no longer care”

    “i’ve realized tears and protests are the last refuge of voter fraud”

    “Anyone who protests no match no vote is up to something illegal”

    “those who do not want this are up to no good”

    “wring their dirty little hands”

    “It is amazing how blind people can be”

    “the Obama Campaign has a tactic of hiring trolls”

    “I am concerned about the vicious hatred that is being thrown in my direction”

    “A person’s economic status, race, or educational background is not a measure of their character and should not be a measure of their ability to or not to vote”

    “I find one of the most remarkable aspects of our current situation the fact that “conservatives” and Republicans are among the most open-minded of individuals and “liberals” and Democrats are among the most closed-minded racially motivated people I’ve had the misfortune to encounter”

    So you’re not prejudiced and full of hate then?

  • http://www.marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    christopher, you missed the original beginning to this post at the sj site:

    “Today while voting I ran afoul of a vile Obama supporter.”

    a little different than “i voted today”, eh?

    the hate campaign has come from mccain and palin. heck, and it takes an awful lot of psychological twist to turn it around the other way.

  • Cindy D

    Sorry about my um pastiching Dr.D.

    I got in a tizzy and decided a little whiskey would calm me down. After 3 whiskeys I noticed it didn’t seem to be working. I also remember thinking, gee did I write that stuff? I thought I only thought it. Which meant it was time for bed. I am afraid I am a lightweight. And now I have a blazing headache.

    Hrmmm, maybe if it had been Irish whiskey it would have worked out.

  • Clavos

    The vituperation flung at Palin alone is hysterical beyond comprehension.

    Vicious name calling and hanging her in effigy aren’t reprehensible?

  • bliffle

    [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]

    IMO, with the failure of the Bush regime staring him in the face, and the train wreck called “McCain/Palin” becoming impossible to ignore, Dave has dropped his air of impartiality and diffidence and revealed himself as the snarling, [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor] scandal monger that he really was all along.

    But that’s just my opinion. YMMV.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Clav, re Comment #67 — but that’s different, don’t ya know. I mean, really. If truth and goodness are all on one side, and lies and badness are all on the other side, there is nothing wrong with the owners of truth and goodness engaging in vicious name calling and hanging [Governor Palin] . . .in effigy. Besides, according to Comment #65,

    the hate campaign has come from mccain and palin. heck, and it takes an awful lot of psychological twist to turn it around the other way.

    How can you argue with that? And why bother?

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    Vicious name calling and hanging her in effigy aren’t reprehensible?

    it absolutely is reprehensible…just as the folks at rallies yelling out ‘socialist’…’communinist!…terrorist!!!

    and my pschological twist comment has to do with campaign advertising attacks at rallies more than individual nutcases (which both sides obviously have).

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Cindy – only three whiskies did that? You ARE lightweight! :-)

    Clavos, for a full blooded Mexican, you sure sound very old school English sometimes. Vituperation? Reprehensible?? Do you express yourself like that in real life???

    bliffle, I don’t like the way that Dave is expressing his inner demons either but knock it off with the excessive name-calling will you, then I won’t have to edit you, again.

    Dan, as a biased but not prejudiced observer, I’ve certainly noticed more hostility coming from the Republicans than the Democrats, in formal political circles at least, can’t speak for street voices.

    Oh, and no, truth and goodness aren’t all on one side or the other; anyone who thinks that way is some kind of stupid.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Chris,

    As far as I’m concerned, Dave just lost any molecular trace of credibility he may still have had with his Discworld comment!

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    You have been the epitome of reasonableness, fairness and patience with a whole wide range of our special commenters, Doc. ;-)

  • Catalite

    I think it was glenn up there who set. A new standard in hypocrisy when he claimed that there was ten times the republican voter fraud as democrat voter fraud. I have tp call bs on that claim. For the most part what we are talking about here is not vote fraud but either voter REGISTRATION fraud by ACORN or so called voter suppresion The difference is that registration fraud is a crime and what the left calls voter suppression is legal and is done by merely enforcing the law. To call that fraud or. Any other kind of crime is just blatant lying. As usual the left can’t cut it on the truth and has to make up fantasy crimes to accuse the accuser and distract from their own real crimes.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    This one did it for me:-

    “The level of hostility and anger from the left is unprecedented. It’s been building for 8 years or more and it has erupted in a level of ugliness and personal rancor which is distressing.”

    I laughed for at least five seconds!

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    The difference is that registration fraud is a crime and what the left calls voter suppression is legal and is done by merely enforcing the law.

    Catalite, I’m fairly sure that ‘enforcing’ is not what’s being done with the law when Republican consulting firms deliberately rip up Democratic voter registrations.

  • Clavos

    Clavos, for a full blooded Mexican, you sure sound very old school English sometimes. Vituperation? Reprehensible?? Do you express yourself like that in real life???

    Of course I do. I was taught to read and love reading at a very early age (3-4 yrs) by my Irish grandmother, who, ironically, only had an eighth grade education herself, and I’ve been an avid reader ever since. That, of course, tends to build one’s vocabulary. Because of being in Mexico, I attended only private schools (one of which is British, I attended there for Forms 5, 6 & 7) until college. I use my vocabulary wherever appropriate; in speech as well as in writing.

    BTW, I have no Mexican blood at all. I’m a citizen, and spent my formative years (didn’t come to the US until my middle teens) in Mexico, so I am culturally Mexican, but I’m also an American citizen, and my parents were native-born Americans (well, New Yorkers, actually).

  • Cindy D

    Christopher,

    RE #73, I would say “I’ll drink to that.” But, I’d best not.

    RE #71, Yes, there are exactly 3 whiskeys in half a pint. I know it to be a fact. :-)

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Cindy, if that’s true then I’m looking at half a pint of laundry detergent that I’m about to pour from this bottle cap into the machine right now!

    No wonder ‘only’ three whiskies had such a spectacular effect!

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    SJR –

    You REALLY don’t like researching facts, do you? Why will you not check BOTH sides of the story?

    You gripe about ACORN, but you have NOT checked ACORN’s side of the story. In ANY human organization there will be bad apples…and when some in ACORN turned in fraudulent voter registrations, who was it that FIRST alerted the states? Was it the Republicans? No. It was ACORN.

    NOT ONLY THAT, SJR, but if you are licensed to collect voter registrations, you are required to turn in ALL registrations, fraudulent or not! If someone hands you a registration that says his name is “God bin Laden”, you are REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW to turn in that registration!

    But I doubt you’ll respond to this…because it proves the falsity of the Republican claims, and such a concept would be outside of your personal acceptable reality.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    And SJR – on “hatred of all things Republican”.

    Gee, now you know how liberals have felt since halfway through the Reagan administration!

    And FYI, I just submitted my ballot here in Washington state. I am quite liberal, but I voted for four Republicans – for LT Governor, Attorney General, and a couple of others. Why? Because by their history and accomplishments, they were better for the positions.

    Yeah, us liberals sure hate all things Republican, huh?

  • Clavos

    Very good, logical thinking there, Glenn.

    Because YOU voted for four republicans, ALL liberals are open-minded and don’t “hate all things republican.”

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    i don’t hate all things republican. i just don’t happen to vote for them. there’s a difference.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I can honestly say that I have never voted for a Republican in my life, nor ever intend to.

    (Yes? Clavos has his hand up there at the back…?)

    ;-)

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    SJR

    You opinion piece was ugly and dumb. It was shrill and uninformed. You got pissed off because you couldn’t park in front of the polls. BFD.

    NO ONE is a paid Obama shill. You need to take off the tin foil hat.

    Go back and read your angry article. Go back and read Christopher’s pull outs of your article.

    Then, take a deep breath and then another.

    No one is criticizing you for being a Republican.

    You don’t like the laws around electioneering in your state? Write a letter. Call the election board. Get involved. DOn’t write a screed for blogcritics. Republicans love state’s rights. Change the rules in your state. Each state is different.

    NO ONE PREVENTED YOU FROM VOTING. Get over it.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Glenn, we’ve ALL heard ACORN’s excuses ad nauseum. They do not effectively excuse their procedures which are designed to generate hundreds of thousands of bogus voter registrations. The fact that they have to turn them in is irrelevant. They don’t HAVE to run things in such a way that most of the registrations they get are bogus.

    Dave

  • pablo

    How could anyone possibly dislike republicans. I mean really! With such fair minded, intelligent defenders of our freedoms such as Orin Hatch, Karl Rove, Lyndsey Graham, James Woolsey, Richard Armitage, and Sean Hannity.

    These guys do everything to protect and defend the Constitution just as they promised to via their oath of office. The above examples are always the first to defend the first amendment, just look at “free speech” zones. They are the first to defend the bedrock of habeas corpus, informed juries, and the fourth amendment (national security letters).

    They also would never encourage mobs to storm voting precincts in Florida after the 2000 vote. Indeed they are Statesmen (gag).

    Heroes of the republic I say. People such as Edwin Meese, Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, are truly defenders of our republic and have shown themselves to be true patriots to freedom (gag).

    I just don’t understand how you could ever say that people dislike republicans SJR. Your just being paranoid.

  • Baronius

    Seriously, Dread? Pratchett? I remember suffering my way through Mort, and possibly one other of his books. I found them awful to read, but at least they were completely forgettable. I haven’t been this disappointed since I saw that Lisa likes Fringe. It makes me suspect that some people will never agree about anything.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Hannity took an oath of office??

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Baronius,

    Not everybody’s cup of tea, I suppose.

    But if all you read was Mort, you might try some of his more recent stuff. It’s considerably more sophisticated and may satisfy you more.

  • Cindy D

    Hundreds of thousands Dave? “…most of the registrations they get are bogus,” Dave? Really???

    Glenn, we’ve ALL heard ACORN’s excuses ad nauseum.

    Apparently SOME of you haven’t heard them enough, otherwise Glenn wouldn’t have had to post that information again.

    Why do you think they had to be repeated ad nauseum in the first place Dave?

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Baronius, I don’t just like Fringe. I really really like it:)

  • Baronius

    Lisa, it just didn’t work for me at all. I didn’t buy the characters, the stories, or the arc with the ambiguous company’s and agency’s agendas. I get my fix of faux X-Files from the CW’s Supernatural.

  • Cindy D

    Pablo,

    You left out the father of the right-wing conservatives: Paul Weyrich, co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, the Moral Majority,as well as a few other right-wing organizations.

    Here he is in this 40 second clip, fine fellow that he is, he’s giving a speech to the religious right about how they may be guilty of “goo goo” thinking (his word for good government). His point?

    I DON’T WANT EVERYONE TO VOTE. THAT IS NOT HOW WE WIN ELECTIONS.

    This is the guy who originated this lovely Republican viewpoint.

  • Cindy D

    “Our leverage in the election goes up as the voting population goes down.” –Paul Weyrich

    Want to know how to disenfranchise honest voters?

    Have them listen to Paul Weyrich and then watch them relentlessly take action on their golden morsel of truth.

  • Cindy D

    Well, not the voters…never mind you know what I mean.

  • pablo

    dread,

    Yep Hannity took an oath. That oath was to subvert at every opportunity the constitution, to spread hatred and intolerance, and to be as rude as possible all of the time. So far he has kept that oath very well.

  • Clavos

    This is the guy who originated this lovely Republican viewpoint.

    No, actually Thomas Jefferson et alia did.

  • Cindy D

    Clav,

    I don’t know where you get your information on Thomas Jefferson, but it’s wrong. You are thinking of Hamilton et al maybe.

    But, that is beside the point I was making. Which has nothing to do with whether power should rest in the people or some scheme of officials (determined by the wealthy).

    It is about Weyrich talking about the Republican Party and conservatives having more leverage to win an election when there are less registered voters.

    He, as the father of the American conservative movement, is the originator of this idea (we need less voters) being taken on as a mantra in the Republican Party .

  • Clavos

    I disagree, Cindy. ALL those guys believed in having as few voters as possible, in fact, they wanted ONLY people like themselves (wealthy landowners and businesspeople) as voters. Ol’ Jefferson certainly didn’t want his slaves voting, not even his mistress. And he certainly didn’t want his wife or mother voting.

    Limiting access to the vote is a fundamental American principle, right up there with “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” and freedom of speech.

  • pablo

    Other stalwart republican defenders of our republic include but are not limited to:

    Cheney, Wolfowitz, Warner, Elliot Abrahms, Shwarzenfuherer, Sensenbrenner, Gingrich, Conryn, Bork, Scalia, DeLay, and Pat Robertson.

    All of these guys would look much better with knee high boots on, and brown shirts. None of them are statesmen, and each one at every opportunnity given to them subvert freedom, liberty, freedom of expression, and equality under the law.

    They are the first to advocate shredding the constitution, detaining US citizens without due process, or probable cause, and reducing the founding documents of this republic (The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation, The Magna Carta, and the US Constitution to toilet paper.

    And you really wonder SRJ where some people’s (mine) acrimony comes from? Are you fucking serious? Get a clue dude, your party is the party of totalitarianism and has been so for well over 50 years. Don’t even get me started on the sell-out (wolves-in-sheeps-clothing Democrats)

    I don’t have a dog in this hunt, but republicans with the exception of very very few (Ron Paul being an example) are traitors to the republic, and the flag to which it stands.

  • Arch Conservative

    You wanna see real fascism Pablo?

    Just wait until next week when “the one” assumes power.

    You aint seen nothing yet.

  • pablo

    Arch,

    I suggest you start by cleaning your own house, as it stinks.

  • pablo

    Oh and Arch,

    For the record, you have NEVER seen me say anything nice about Obama, other than he works for Zbigniew Brezenski and Company, commonly known as the CFR, a group dedicated to surrendering US sovereignty and bringing about a global police state as set forth in his book “The Grand Chessboard”.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    “They do not effectively excuse their procedures which are designed to generate hundreds of thousands of bogus voter registrations. The fact that they have to turn them in is irrelevant.”

    OKAY, Dave – PROVE YOUR ACCUSATION!

    Please show us how their procedures are DESIGNED to generate “hundreds of thousands” of bogus voter registrations.

    BACK IT UP, Dave. Otherwise, you’re just like all the other Republicans who try to justify crimes by wrongly accusing the Democrats of the same thing.

    Can you back it up? I conducted many investigations in the military, and I know somewhat of what constitutes EVIDENCE, and what constitutes RUMOR.

    Where’s your EVIDENCE, Dave?

  • pablo

    Dave? Evidence? Isn’t that an oxyMORON?

  • Arch Conservative

    Pablo……I’m voting third party so don’t be [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor] like most of the people on this site are with that “my house” bullshit.

    I have no love for McCain or the current GOP leadership.

    Yes they’re all selling us out Pablo. More than anything I hate the pathetic weak minded fucks that insist one party’s absolute altruism being hampered by the others’ evil ways is the only thing from making every American’s life a utopia.

    Anyone that votes for either McCain or Obama next Tuesday is a complicit actor in continuing the downhill slide of this once great nation. May you all rot in hell for eternity.

    Fuckin sheeple!

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Arch, you didn’t quite make your meaning clear. Are you displeased with the current political situation?

    ;-)

  • Cindy D

    RE #100

    Jefferson wanted an agricultural nation in which the people (landed farmers) would vote directly. This was one of the several great arguments between Jefferson and Hamilton.

    As you see, Hamilton eventually won out.

  • Cindy D

    Besides, talking about slaves or women voting has no reflection at all on what powers would be vested in “the people”. Property couldn’t vote. We are no longer chattel.

  • moon

    This is a silly, hysterical screed against WHAT?

    Electioneering has always been against the electoral law. And it has always included buttons, placards, signs, etc. in or near polling booths.

    From my perspective, the writer expected to be a Special Person who was allowed to electioneer, and she/he was taken to task. Yet she WAS alllowed to vote. Legally, she didn’t have to be.

    Get over it.

    New Mexico has always been corrupt.

    How could a person who lives in LINCOLN COUUNTY !! and supposedly knows something about the history of the area not be aware of all the ramifications of the Lincoln County War–especially its aftermath.

    Maybe it’s time to see the recut version of the great Peckinpah film Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid again?

    Or if you really want to raise some hell, try moving to Rio Arriba County–where the dead are the most dedicated voters on the planet.

    If there ever was a mole hill trying to masquerade as a mountain, this is it.

  • Cindy D

    Oh, I almost forgot to say Hamilton didn’t want poor people to vote as I recall it. He felt that the wealthy were better trusted with such decisions. Hamilton’s position is why we don’t have a direct vote.

    Makes sense when you are founded on protecting wealth in the first place. Hamilton must have realized there were going to be a lot more poor bastards than wealthy ones. He wanted an industrial nation. I guess he divined sweat shops on the horizon maybe.

  • pablo

    Arch,

    My apologies sir.

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    Re: #111

    Dear Moon;

    You are right I am special (just as special as anyone else is, and just as special as are you). I expect to be treated politely. I expect to be treated with the same respect I show others, and I do show others respect. I expect to be treated with honor and justly.

    I don’t go around using profanity, nor denigrating others because they have a differing opinion than mine. Do you?

    This said I’m getting a little amused reading the snarky comments made by a handful of people who obviously have nothing else to do with their lives but make snarky comments.

    Do the have jobs?
    Do they have lives?
    Do they do anything else with their time?
    Do they realize how idiotic they actually are?
    Do they have a point in doing what they are doing?

    Do they realize that I have just as much right to express my opinion as they do – without being degraded, harassed, or belittled?

    This really isn’t about the election, voting rights for the dead, or electioneering. It’s about manners and knowing when and how to use them. It’s about treating people with respect even when you don’t agree with them. It’s about every American’s God-given right to make an ass of himself or herself and getting away with it.

    As for the “electioneering” the laws were changed a little for this election cycle, demanding a crack down on everything to the point where it is literally out of control.

    I know you think I am a mindless twit. That’s fine, because I really don’t care what you think. I’ve worked in politics most of my life. I’ve been involved in elections most of my life. I know the difference between electioneering and a crackdown on the First Amendment. The new rules are beyond common sense to the point where they could cause serious ‘hard-ship’ for certain individuals. I’ve never before been told that I could not wear a campaign button into a polling place or told I either had to remove my vehicle, my bumper sticker, or cover them.

    My complaint is that after all that mess, I was not asked for a photo identification and my voter registration card. You can’t wear a campaign button in a polling place in New Mexico, but – you can vote as often as you want, if you an get away with it – no identification required.

    I think it is a bit asinine.

    I also think NO ONE should be allowed to vote unless they provide a photo ID, a voter card, and that everything matches.

    The only way to solve any of this is to go to biometrics where a person’s thumb print is used.

    Anyone who opposes no match no vote is cheating. It’s that simple.

    I don’t give a rip about the electioneering rule other than it has gone too far and would actually prevent some people from being allowed to vote – regardless of party.

    As for Lincoln County, it is now probably the most honest county in New Mexico. As a historian who specializes in the Wild West, I think Peckinpah’s films are a crock. As a film fan, I find them masterful. There’s a difference.

    SJR
    The Pink Flamingo

  • wdufkin

    “If ALL black and Mexicans and Hispanics were REQUIRED to produce i.e., prove who they were, there would NEVER be a Dem in office anywhere.”

    Oh, pardon me, I didn’t realize there were that many people who don’t have access to the department of motor vehicles. How can anyone buy a six pack then?

  • pablo

    “I also think NO ONE should be allowed to vote unless they provide a photo ID, a voter card, and that everything matches.”

    Hey, thats exactly what Thomas Jefferson said! Don’t you worry about biometrics SJR, soon you will have to use them just to take a pee. Thanks to your illustrious party, and that pee will go straight into the central database to make sure that your blood is pure enough for the state. Ahhh Amerika land of the free and home of the slaves, my oh my how far we have come.

  • moon

    SJ,

    1. Before you go off half-cocked AGAIN, re-read your post to me and tell me what percentage of it actually had to do with my post.

    2. I did not call you a mindless twit. Nor did I make any snarky (whatever that means in gringoese) comments to you. I said that you were electioneering, and that’s illegal. Don’t try to weasle out of it. The folks who busted you and made you stop electineering were just doing their jobs.

    3. It appears you either did not understand my comment about the aftermath of the Lincoln County War or you choose not to analyse my comment.

    4. As a film critic (a number of years as the critic for the Albuquerque Journal, as a matter of fact), I find Peckinpah’s very dark vision of the Old West compelling–much closer to reality than stuff like Gunfight at the OK Corral, for example.

    5. The ID thing is a good idea, but so far as this expat knows, it is not part of electoral law. The thumbprint identification on computer screens was tested in Venezuela and shouted down by the political opposition there. I am sure that New Mexico voters–used to voting from the grave often and well–will also shout it down.

    6. Voting is what’s a crock–as your vote is meaningless. A choice between two guys owned by Big Oil and Big Guns is not a choice at all.

    7. Instead of piddling your energies away on silly stuff like this, why not use it to change the SYSTEM?

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    SJ Reidhead: “I expect to be treated with the same respect I show others, and I do show others respect. I don’t go around… denigrating others because they have a differing opinion than mine.

    This said I’m getting a little amused reading the snarky comments made by a handful of people who obviously have nothing else to do with their lives but make snarky comments.

    Do the have jobs?
    Do they have lives?
    Do they do anything else with their time?
    Do they realize how idiotic they actually are?
    Do they have a point in doing what they are doing?”

    Cognitive dissonance, anybody?

  • moon

    Chris,

    No. This is not cognitive dissonance. It is projection.

    An example of cognitive dissonance would be folks that refuse to even THINK about the possibility that their government could have done 9/11 because their belief system holds that their government could not possibly have killed 3,000 of its own people in order to have an excuse to wage war.

    Of course the 3000 folks killed were not all their own people.

    And they have killed far more than 3000 of their own people in the process of waging those wars, but….

    sognitive dissonance means rejecting any facts that don’t agree with one’s belief system.

    SJ is projecting her or his hysteria on the other posters.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    This is one of the most nonsensical pieces I have ever read. Let me get this straight, you believe there is voter fraud because you didn’t have to show identification to women who knew you? Why would they identify you if they knew you? How about some proof that you saw someone whom these women didn’t know who was allowed to vote? Otherwise, you are just blowing steam at imagined transgressions you dream are taking place.

    then in the comment your delusion grows. “you can vote as often as you want, if you an get away with it – no identification required.”

    Where in the article did you state you or anyone else tried to vote more than once? Voter fraud is a serious thing and efforts need to be taken to stop it, but there needs to be some evidence beyond what you think is real. This isn’t religion.

    In the article you claim “I take [voting] very seriously.”

    expect the part about following the electioneering laws you don’t care for. This comes off like the part that set you off. How dare you be subject to the laws of the land. Boo hoo, you had to move your car and couldn’t wear a button. You may have had a point if that person with the Obama sticker didn’t have to do the exact same thing.

    By the way, you really should calm down and reread heated posts before submitting them because you do yourself more harm then good.

    You wrote:

    “I’ve also reached the point that anyone who bellyaches about vote fraud and disenfranchising voters is up to no good.”

    and then stated

    “My vote was diminished because of fraud.”

    So by your own standards, you are up to no good. You should wait until the comments before contradicting yourself.

    “Do they realize that I have just as much right to express my opinion as they do – without being degraded, harassed, or belittled?”

    Sorry, but that’s not a right.

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    Moon:

    I was not referring to you about a number of things. You did not refer to me as a twit, but I was taking dramatic liberties, having put up with a barrage of mindless you know what from a bunch of mindless (never mind) for two days now. Sorry, I apologize.

    Don’t worry, I plan to do something about the identification thing. The whole voting system in this country is a total and complete dysfunctional mess – no matter what party we belong to. There is absolutely no reason for this, other than the abject stupidity of elected officials of both parties. We are making world-wide fools of ourselves with the election process – the physical process of casting one’s vote. In this day and age of computers, biometrics, and technology this is reprehensible. The only way we are going to be able to change things is for good people of both parties to stand up and fight together, for a more logical and sensible way to cast one’s vote.

    Now – as for films – my favorite “biographical” western is a combination of Tombstone and Wyatt Earp. I am a “sucker” for historical accuracy.

    Again – I apologize for being disrespectful to you.

    SJR
    The Pink Flamingo

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Hundreds of thousands Dave? “…most of the registrations they get are bogus,” Dave? Really???

    And Glenn, you pay attention to this too.

    Yes, really. By ACORN’s own admission, when Project Vote claimed 1.3 million registrations it turned out that about a third of them didn’t exist at all and about a third of them were thrown out by ACORN and never submitted (wait, isn’t throwing out registrations illegal?) for being duplicates or bogus, and about a third of the remaining 450,000 were fraudulent.

    So that’s about 600,000 questionable registrations of which 150,000 were turned in. As opposed to about 450,000 presumably legitimate registrations.

    And this isn’t something made up by Fox News, it comes from your friends at the New York Times.

    Dave

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Tomorrow, Dave, we will put this acorn thing to rest once and for all…..

    tonight, it is bedtime. BTW. The NYT had it all wrong. Unfortunately.

  • STM

    Dave, are you up for a quick phone interview early tomorrow your time on the US election in your capacity as blogcritics political editor?? If so, do you have my email so I can get your number. Probably be around 11pm Saturday Sydney time, so around 7am your time? If that’s too early, can possibly stretch it to midnight Saturday our time, 8am your time.

  • Clavos

    The NYT had it all wrong. Unfortunately.

    No shit? The NYT???

    FUCK!!! Take their entire editorial staff out on Times Square and and shoot their sloppy asses. They call themselves “professional” journalists?? Besmirching the good name of the NYT like that?

    Forget Times Square, send them down here to Miami; there are thousands of Cubans who are BIG FANS of the NYT.

    Throw them off BOTH campaign planes, too…

  • Dave on iphone

    stan I am away from comp on my daughters phone. Can you IM me at mrgraball on AIM or get my phone number off the contact page on Fontcraft.com? I will be awake for 3 more hours. I’d love to do an interview.

  • STM

    Mate, is that the 1800 number??

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I see you figured it out. Hope our chat was helpful and that I was able to help make this election as confusing for the people of Australia as it is for us here in the US

    Dave

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Didja read the WHOLE article? NO YOU DID NOT – or if you did, you didn’t see the part that blows your argument away.

    “Most of the registrations that were rejected were duplicate forms, followed by incomplete forms. The Acorn officials said their investigation found about 9,000 voter registration cards that were determined to be fraudulent. A lawyer for the group estimated that perhaps 5,000 to 6,000 more cards employees turned in were fraudulent. Acorn officials said that 20 percent to 25 percent of the applications it submitted were likely duplicates, 5 percent were incomplete, and 1 percent to 1.5 percent were fraudulent.

    YOU said that the article said “about 450,000″ were fraudulent, but that is NOT what the article said!

    “The remainder are registered voters who were changing their address and roughly 400,000 that were rejected by election officials for a variety of reasons, including duplicate registrations, incomplete forms and fraudulent submissions”

    ONLY 1 TO 1.5% WERE FRAUDULENT, Dave.

    And is ACORN’s system designed to result in fraudulent registrations as you accused?

    “The group also said it was forced to fire 829 of the 10,000 canvassers it hired during the election for job-related problems, including falsifying registration forms. Acorn officials say they pay canvassers an hourly wage and not by the number of forms they obtain.

    Your accusations:
    ACORN turned in 450,000 fraudulent registrations – FALSE ACCUSATION

    ACORN’s system is designed to result in fraudulent registrations – FALSE ACCUSATION

    Summary –

    Dave, either you didn’t read the whole article, or you did and decided to omit the rest of the facts that negated your opinion.

    I prefer to assume the first possibility. I don’t think you read the whole article. But always bear in mind I WILL double-check your references.

    EVIDENCE, Dave – that’s what I deal with…and when the evidence presented is not provable, I’ll call you on it every time.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    P.S. A duplicate registration is not necessarily fraudulent. If one doesn’t have the means to check to see if they are already registered, is one going to take time off from work to go to the Elections Commission or wherever during work hours to double-check their registration status? Especially if they do NOT have access to the internet or their local commission doesn’t have registration status online?

    No. They will just fill out another one, just to make sure they can vote.

    Just wanted to clear this up for you before you go thinking that duplicate registrations are fraudulent.

  • moon

    SJR,

    I accept your apology.

    If other folks who are disrespectful to me also apologized, I would have a small hope for civilized debate on this site.

    HOWEVER (I know, there’s always a BUT), I think you should take El Bicho’s advice (strikingly similar to my own) and not write any more of these half-cocked and half-baked pieces. The do make you look bad.

    Some folks on this site like to look bad–and others seem not to notice when they look bad.

    Neither posture is going to raise the profile of this site’s credibility.

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    Have you ever realized after writing something, that you’ve left out information that needs to be in it? It dawned on me that I should have added the following to the above article:

    1. While I was voting, the woman behind me, unknown to anyone at the Senior Center and new to the area was complaining because she was not asked for identification.

    2. When I voted in July in our local municipal election, I voted at a different location. Both my driver’s license (photo ID) and voting registration card were required. I knew the people at that location.

    3. In June I voted in the GOP primary for John McCain. I had a McCain bumper sticker on my Durango. I voted at my regular polling location, parking up next the polling location. The same women who were working the polls at the Senior Center and did not require identification – and have known me for nearly a decade required that I produce my photo identification and voter registration card.

    4. When I voted in November of 2006 for the mid-term elections, I had a Bush bumper-sticker on my Durango. Again I parked up next the polling location. The same process, the same women, the same identification were required.

    5. When I voted in November of 2004 for the Presidential election, I parked about 25 feet from the building and wore a Bush button. Nothing was said. The same women, same location as my voting this week required my photo ID and voter registration card.

    6. The same thing happened during the June, 2004 primary vote.

    7. The same thing happened during the November 2002 mid-term elections. (no button)

    8. The same thing for the June 2002 primary.

    9. The same thing happened in November, 2000. I wore a Bush button. I barely knew the women working at my regular polling location. They required photo ID and a voter registration card. My Bush bumper sticker was obscured by 30 inches of snow.

    10. The first time I voted in New Mexico was in the June 2000 primary for George Bush. I had no button or bumper sticker. My photo ID was required along with voting registration card.

    The change in the laws went into effect for this specific voting cycle.

    SJR
    The Pink Flamingo

  • moon

    SJ,

    Just

    let

    it

    go.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Thanks, Glenn. Wanted to make those points myself, just hadn’t gotten around to it.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle


    YOU said that the article said “about 450,000″ were fraudulent, but that is NOT what the article said!

    Every duplicate registration is potentially fraudulent. You can’t just take ACORN’s word for their intent here.


    ONLY 1 TO 1.5% WERE FRAUDULENT, Dave.

    According to ACORN. Yet if you go through the cases against ACORN state by state you find that the percentages range far higher than 1.5%. In fact they almost never have that low a percentage of fraudulent registrations.

    Just in one county in Ohio they produced 4000 fraudulent registrations, 5% of those submitted.

    In Missour 35,000 fraudulent registrations were submitted.

    I could go on and on with this list, which just from these examples adds up to more than ACORN claims. See Pajamas Media for more examples.

    And is ACORN’s system designed to result in fraudulent registrations as you accused?

    ACORN turned in 450,000 fraudulent registrations – FALSE ACCUSATION

    Only if you agree with ACORN that duplicates are not fraudulent. Duplicates on the level they submit them can only be considered fraudulent. You can’t differentiate one illegal registration from another and claim that some are fraudulent and others are not.

    ACORN’s system is designed to result in fraudulent registrations – FALSE ACCUSATION

    In your opinion, nothing else. You will notice that ACORN said they didn’t pay per registration. They did not deny that they fire workers who do not meet a quota of at least 15 and sometimes as many as 20 registrations per day, which amounts to the same thing.

    Dave, either you didn’t read the whole article, or you did and decided to omit the rest of the facts that negated your opinion.

    Or I read a number of other articles which I didn’t link to, but I guess I should have, which demonstrate that ACORN’s figures quoted in this article are self-serving at best, lies at wort.


    EVIDENCE, Dave – that’s what I deal with…and when the evidence presented is not provable, I’ll call you on it every time.

    I see you chose to ignore the most telling aspect of the NYT article, that contrary to their oft-repeated claim that they must turn in all registrations they receive, ACORN admitted to selecting registrations not to submit. That seems awfully significant to me, since it’s a crime by their own admission.

    Dave

  • moon

    I have noticed in the two plus years I have off and on visited this site that Nalle’s sources ALMOST ALWAYS disagree with his claims.

    Usually their claim is 180 degrees from his.

    He disparages the readers by believing that they won’t bother to check his links and read the sources.

    And he’s been correct in his disparaging assumption often enough to reinforce his unethical behavior of throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping that it sticks, then punching in a couple of links to make his claims look legit.

  • pablo

    I could not have said it better Moon. So I won’t even try.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Spot on, Moon. I did read the NYT article and nowhere in it does it say that ACORN failed to turn in any of the registrations.

    If one were to be charitable, one could see how he might have misread the article. But he doesn’t have a good track record on these things.

    And also:

    Every duplicate registration is potentially fraudulent. You can’t just take ACORN’s word for their intent here.

    Why not, Dave? Yours is the extraordinary claim here. You can’t possibly know what their true intent was, unless of course you have extraordinary evidence.

    Or is ‘innocent until proven guilty’ another pillar of the US system of government which you’d like to see toppled?

  • Cindy D

    San Bernardino County prosecutors are investigating a signature collection firm that submitted thousands of flawed voter registration forms on behalf of the county’s Republican Party, authorities said. (L.A. Times 2006)

    Mistakes in big voter registration drives are inevitable, even in Republican campaigns.

    You see, it seems that this is actually a problem that is associated with mass-voter registration itself. It’s not unique to ACORN, nor is it a voter fraud attempt.

    For someone to think after 3 seconds consideration, that an agency would design a fraud scam by signing up mickey mouses et al and then hope these fake mickey mouses et al would somehow pass through the election board check and then that the mickey mouses et al would show up to vote–is an analysis that borders on lunacy.

    “See Pajamas Media for more examples.”

    Dave they are nothing more than a collection of bloggers posting there biases. It’s one thing to post pajamas media as a link when you agree with a writer’s opinion. It’s another to get your facts 3rd hand from the “pretend” media.

    Pajamas Media — “A new method of fact-checking” by Salon Magazine’s Glenn Greenwald

  • Cindy D

    Ever heard of the firm YMP? Why Not I wonder? It seems we all should have! Here are just three stories about YPM. One from 2004 Forida, one from 2008 California. The 3rd story is about the arrest of its owner.

    Voters claim to be duped into the GOP
    (L.A. Times, Oct 2008)

    Dozens of newly minted Republican voters say they were duped into joining the party by a GOP contractor with a trail of fraud complaints stretching across the country.

    Scores of college students say they were tricked into changing their registration to the Republican Party when signing petitions.
    (St Petersburg Time, 2004)

    The prime suspect is a group hired by the National Republican Committee to register voters.

    Secretary of State Debra Bowen Announces Arrest of Man Charged with Voter Registration Fraud
    (Brad of bradblog.com broke this story on Fox News 10/19/08)

  • moon

    As long as Westerns were mentioned on this thread, I have a recommendation for you folks who really need to cool your jets:

    I just watched the early 70s (my favorite time in film history for the wealth of independent films) film by Peter Fonda, The Hired Hand–a revisionist Western with great music, all played by one guy.

  • bliffle

    Whenever I’ve tracked down Daves citations they say something quite different from what Dave has asserted. Often, exactly the opposite.

  • moon

    bliffle,

    Yep. I have been busting ole Dave on this for more than two years.

    [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor] he believes nobody will bother to check, and that his randomly posting links makes his stuff look legit.

    It NEVER is legitimate.

    It is always propaganda.

  • pablo

    Nalle? Propaganda? Surely you jest! hehehehe

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Dave they are nothing more than a collection of bloggers posting there biases. It’s one thing to post pajamas media as a link when you agree with a writer’s opinion. It’s another to get your facts 3rd hand from the “pretend” media.

    The Pajamas Media link I provided was not to the site in general, but to a specific article which I picked because it was rich with links to other sources which catalog various instances of ACORN fraud. What is the use of having the internet, with all of these resources on it, if you dismiss them categorically without considering the content?

    But then that’s what you folks do. You don’t actually pay attention to content. You just pick what you want and interpret it to suit your needs, no matter how much you have to twist the facts, and then ignore the rest.

    That said, I’ve gone back to the NYT article and it seems to be substantially different from the previous version which I read. I know none of you are going to believe it, but when I looked at the article before none of the YPM stuff was in there and it had more details on the breakdown of the Project Vote registrations.

    Some of it is still there, and there’s also an anomaly which is pretty obvious. The NYT article says that only 450,000 of the 1.3 million registrations are valid and that 400,000 were rejected by state officials. What happened to the other 450,000? In the previous article which I thought I was linking to, the director of Project Vote said that they had been eliminated in-house.

    I’ll see if I can dig up more info or a better link.

    Dave

  • Cindy D

    Dave,

    I did go to that link. I started accessing some of the other links and they were going to other blogs of their blog network.

    I’m just saying that it’s incredibly difficult to get to a source that way. It seemed like endless links to endless blogs.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Stranger and stranger. Every page I try to go to which comes up on a google search for the information I originally found in the article seems to have been deleted.

    Dave

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Checking your references again – the blog you used as reference…there’s a link that supposedly provided the blog’s ‘proof’ that ACORN was committing the fraud…but the link didn’t work.

    So I did the Google thing, and guess what I found? Here’s what the source ACTUALLY said, Dave:

    “Last month, ACORN claimed to have processed more than 35,000 voter registration applications in Kansas City since the summer.”

    Your ‘source’ got the numbers from ACORN! It was ACORN who was being upfront about it, Dave! They were handed fraudulent registrations and they turned in those fraudulent registrations IAW FEDERAL LAW…and they let the media (and thus the election commission) that they had IDENTIFIED the fraudulent registrations…which enabled the elections commission to identify them.

    Gee, Dave – ONCE MORE, ACORN is the GOOD guy here…but your source says they’re bad, bad people.

    Oh yeah – there were four workers who helped with the fraud. ACORN identified and turned in the names of those workers so that they could be prosecuted for Class ‘D’ felonies.

    And when it comes to five percent of ACORN registrations fraudulent in Cleveland, Ohio, time to read the article CAREFULLY, Dave –

    [Board of Elections official] Platten said there were “egregarious acts of registering multiple times. The extent of it is beyond the resources of this board.

    IF IDENTIFYING THE FRAUDULENT REGISTRATIONS WAS BEYOND THE RESOURCES OF THE BOARD, HOW DID THE BOARD IDENTIFY THEM?

    ACORN showed them. That’s the only possibility.

    And Dr. Dreadful rebuked you quite handily on your assumption that duplicate registration is probably fraudulent.

    Sorry, Dave, but you’re striking out on ALL counts. Not only have you shown (in another topic) total Democratic voter fraud affecting no more than three hundred votes – less than one hundredth the number of votes affected by Republican voter suppression and election fraud, but you’re finding out the hard way that ALL ACORN accusations you’ve posted…are not what you thought they were.

    Dave – I will not underestimate you, for you are quite intelligent and you know it…but when it comes to the subjects of Universal Health Care and Voter/Election Fraud, the facts and numbers simply are not on your side.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    P.S. – A person paid an hourly wage to produce a product SHOULD be fired if he doesn’t produce enough of that product, whether it’s voter registrations or hamburgers. Your point is a non sequitur.

  • Cindy D

    DOJ’s Internal Watchdogs Probing Leak of ACORN Investigation

    John Conyers (D) of the House Judiciary Committee is probing who leaked the info about the ACORN investigation. This article discussed Conyers attitude about the last this this happened with ACORN and the Republicans during Bush’s campaign.

    Bush fired the attorneys he told to go out and prosecute voter fraud. They didn’t find any, so he fired them. Remember that?

    “As an initial matter, it is simply unacceptable that such information would be leaked during the very peak of the election season,” Conyers said.

    “I know it has become a right-wing cottage industry to cry wolf over alleged ‘voter fraud’ during an election season (only to have such claims evaporate after the election has concluded).

    “One would hope the Justice Department and FBI would more skeptically examine such sensational accusations than some cable news outlets. And this is particularly true where the allegations, even given their fullest reading, simply do not support such alarmist and unreasonable claims.”

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Dave Nalle in #145:- “But then that’s what you folks do. You don’t actually pay attention to content. You just pick what you want and interpret it to suit your needs, no matter how much you have to twist the facts, and then ignore the rest.”

    ME:- Oh blessed irony! The king of distortion cries foul. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Stop it, the laughter is hurting my sides.

  • Cannonshop

    #150

    Yeah, Cindy, I do remember that-one of the guys he fired was supposed to investigate BLATANT vote-fraud in Washington State. The guy spent more time filing briefs on why he didn’t need to investigate it, than he did investigating.

  • Cindy D

    Cannonshop ,

    You know what? I was going to ask you for a reference. Instead I ‘ll say this. You are simply wrong in your insinuation.

    Want to make a point? Do some work, make your case with facts. How handily you toss out some vague insinuation and think it should reflect on the entire matter.

    You wouldn’t have a clue if under the Patriot act Bush took ALL your rights away. He could do it under the noses of three-quarters of the right-wing. You’d likely still be defending him as he did.

    Here, I’ll start you off:

    Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy:

    “A report by the Justice Department Inspector General in October 2008 found that the process used to fire the first seven attorneys and two others dismissed around the same time was “arbitrary,” “fundamentally flawed,” and “raised doubts about the integrity of Department Prosecution Decisions.”[3] The U.S. attorneys were replaced with interim appointees, under provisions in the 2005 Patriot Act reauthorization.”

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Cindy, I do admire the hell out of your persistance!!! If you change one mind, I will buy you lunch whenever you come to Virginia or if I ever get close to where you are (if you tell me where that is!:) You are right, of course, but don’t expect Cannon to listen.

    I don’t think most Americans realize how much we lost under the Bush administration. Or how hard it will be to get what we lost back. Especially if there is a McCain victory.

  • Cindy D

    Lisa,

    My Mom and my Aunt live in Cumberland, VA (about an hour and a half south of Richmond, as I recall).

    I am in Sussex County , NJ (the red top of the blue state). It’s wonderful to be so close to NYC, yet live in a semi-rural area.

    I would love to have lunch one day when I come through. It may be awhile (maybe even a year or more), but when I eventually move to FL, I plan to spend some time in VA with my family on the way down.

    When I was a day trader, I met some of my fellow traders in CA, CO and NJ. What an interesting thing it is to meet people you have been chatting with.

    I am about to post a link I think you will find interesting Barbara’s McCain, Obama and the “Readiness” Test thread.

  • Cindy D

    Oh Lisa,

    Cindy, I do admire the hell out of your persistance!!!

    I am just an information junkie. Every time I have to research something someone says, it is like embarking on a whole new exploration. It leads me into all sorts of discoveries. The internet is like one giant unending library. I often feel happiest when I am off in it with 42 windows open charting new territory.

    Sometimes it’s good and sometimes I am much like an addict.

  • Cindy D

    MORE TIPS & TRICKS FROM YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD REPUBLICANS ON HOW TO DISENFRANCHISE HONEST VOTERS:

    ‘Tis the season for tricking voters

    By DEBORAH HASTINGS – 2 hours ago

    In the hours before Election Day, as inevitable as winter, comes an onslaught of dirty tricks — confusing e-mails, disturbing phone calls and insinuating fliers left on doorsteps during the night.

    The intent, almost always, is to keep folks from voting or to confuse them, usually through intimidation or misinformation. But in this presidential race, in which a black man leads most polls, some of the deceit has a decidedly racist bent.

    Complaints have surfaced in predominantly African-American neighborhoods of Philadelphia where fliers have circulated, warning voters they could be arrested at the polls if they had unpaid parking tickets or if they had criminal convictions.

    Over the weekend in Virginia, bogus fliers with an authentic-looking commonwealth seal said fears of high voter turnout had prompted election officials to hold two elections — one on Tuesday for Republicans and another on Wednesday for Democrats.

    In New Mexico, two Hispanic women filed a lawsuit last week claiming they were harassed by a private investigator working for a Republican lawyer who came to their homes and threatened to call immigration authorities, even though they are U.S. citizens.

    “He was questioning her status, saying that he needed to see her papers and documents to show that she was a U.S. citizen and was a legitimate voter,” said Guadalupe Bojorquez, speaking on behalf of her mother, Dora Escobedo, a 67-year-old Albuquerque resident who speaks only Spanish. “He totally, totally scared the heck out of her.”

    In Pennsylvania, e-mails appeared linking Democrat Barack Obama to the Holocaust. “Jewish Americans cannot afford to make the wrong decision on Tuesday, Nov. 4,” said the electronic message, paid for by an entity calling itself the Republican Federal Committee. “Many of our ancestors ignored the warning signs in the 1930s and 1940s and made a tragic mistake.”

    Laughlin McDonald, who leads the ACLU’s Voting Rights Project, said he has never seen “an election where there was more interest and more voter turnout, and more efforts to suppress registration and turnout. And that has a real impact on minorities.”

    …continued at link.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Cindy

    I heard the story about New Mexicon on the radio last week…Horrific.

    Undercover detectives trying to scare the bejeezus out of people…. what on earth will they think of next. I will be very glad when this is over.

  • Clavos

    I will be very glad when this is over.

    It never will be…

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    You’re sadly right, Clav. Pundits and schmundits are already looking ahead to 2012, and I guarantee you that the number of pols from both major parties who are already actively considering a run is in double figures.

    I mean, why? We’ve got four years of practical matters to think about before that happens.

    As Teddy Kennedy might say, “Let’s drive off that bridge when we come to it.”

  • Clavos

    and I guarantee you that the number of pols from both major parties who are already actively considering a run is in double figures.

    Bingo, Doc.

    We’ve got four years of practical matters to think about before that happens.

    Also true, but, alas, all too many, as you say, have already taken their eyes off the practical, to focus on the “might be.”

    As Mary Jo Kopechne might have said, had she had the opportunity: “Stop the car. I want to get off.”