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George W. Bush was elected twice with the key help of the major oil
companies’ contributions to his campaign. In other words he owed them big time.

Early on in the planning concerning the war on Iraq, the original concept was simply to topple Saddam and put someone else in charge who would be friendlier towards the U.S. in the region. That would mean someone strong enough to keep the opposing factions in line, but more importantly someone who’d allow a few little (hardly even noticed, or worth mentioning) U.S. strategic military bases on Iraqi soil. These bases would be close enough to major targets in the area without endangering Israel becoming an object of retaliation, because the attacks were launched from Iraq.
The U.S. would become a major influence in the Middle East, we’d become a major factor in the control of Iraq’s huge oil reserves and of setting their oil prices, and maybe finally forcing a peace that GW could take credit for. A good enough plan, even an admirable plan from the Bush White House.

But remember a big favor hangs over Bush’s head for financing him into the Oval Office!

Many outraged editorials were written after the beginning of the U.S. led invasion of Iraq about Bush just wanting the oil reserves for his buddies in Texas, but we’ve all been misled. The major powers that be in Houston not only didn’t want possession of the oil reserves in Iraq, they didn’t want anyone else to have them either.

Yes you read that right!

Originally the plan was to invade Iraq and release its huge oil reserves to the world market, plummeting oil prices, and then breaking the back and sabotaging the stranglehold that OPEC has on the world market. Bush would be a hero after gasoline prices dipped back to or even below a dollar a gallon, the economy would explode when Americans suddenly had more buying power, and GW would probably have a giant “Saddamesque” statue erected of himself in national mall that would rival the Washington Monument.

Why was the plan sidelined in 2003?
Bush needed/wanted/craved/coveted reelection in 2004, and, without big oil’s financial backing, that was simply not going to happen. Can you imagine the outrage in Houston when they caught wind of the White Houses’ plan? They weren’t about to let “good ole’ boy” Bush interfere with their own plans to completely suppress Iraq’s oil reserves, because if they were released, those record-breaking, obscene, and unimaginable oil company profits that everyone’s so outraged about lately (except rich Republican stock holders that is) would evaporate in mid air; that’s why!

Forget the Space Center-High oil prices are what Houston’s all about!

Can you imagine an oil company executive sitting on the stand in a courtroom, sworn under oath, and trying to convince a judge or jury that he thought that low oil prices were good for America? Our beloved George W. Bush had a perfect opportunity to make himself a hero in the eyes of all Americans (even me) by getting oil flowing and into production fast) bringing down the price of oil, but he didn’t, obviously because his “owners” had other ideas.

Now there’s the argument (read convenient excuse) that gas prices are so high, because we don’t have the refinery capacity to convert the abundance of crude that’s available.
I agree, they’re right, we don’t.

But it’s not because…
A} The “leftist tree-hugging environmentalists” are screaming their heads off about local land and water pollution that would result from a major refinery being built anywhere.

B} Because we can’t drill in the eastern Gulf of Mexico or set up additional refineries there because the Governor of Florida (some guy named Bush) doesn’t want to risk messing up the gulf coast’s beaches for tourists.

C} We can’t drill in the Alaska pristine wilderness even if the real reason they want to is because it’d all be sold to China and India anyway and NOT the U.S.

D} It’s not even the fault of rich Republican billionaires sitting in their mansions yelling “Not in my back yard you don’t! You’ll lower my property values!”

It is because it’s in the oil companies’ best interest to their huge bottom lines and rich stockholders not to increase refinery capacity. Every time an existing refinery goes down, it becomes another excuse to raise already obscene gas prices and, by coincidence, their profits.

Now the argument has also been put forward that gas pump prices are much higher in other countries, and that the United States is unfairly paying less, thus we should pay more.
In actual fact, worldwide, we pay about the same as everyone else before taxes per gallon.
For instance the tax on a gallon of gas in the United Kingdom is currently $3.40, bringing it to $5.89 a gallon!

In the U.S. in cents we pay total per gallon at the pump by state…
Alabama 39.4
Alaska 26.4
Arizona 37.4
Arkansas 40.1
California 50.4
Colorado 40.4
Connecticut 48.1
Delaware 41.4
Dist. of Columbia 38.4
Florida 48
Georgia 30.6
Hawaii 53.5
Idaho 43.4
Illinois 48.4
Indiana 36.5
Iowa 39.5
Kansas 42.4
Kentucky 39.8
Louisiana 38.4
Maine 41.9

Maryland 41.9
Massachusetts 39.9
Michigan 44.6
Minnesota 38.4
Mississippi 37.2
Missouri 35.4
Montana 46.2
Nebraska .8
Nevada 51.7
New Hampshire 39
New Jersey 32.9
New Mexico 36.4
New York 48.7
North Carolina 40.8
North Dakota 39.4
Ohio 40.4
Oklahoma 35.4
Oregon 42.4
Pennsylvania 45.1
Rhode Island 49.4
South Carolina 35.2
South Dakota 42.4
Tennessee 39.8
Texas 38.4
Utah 42.9
Vermont 38.4
Virginia 37.3
Washington 41.4
West Virginia 43.8
Wisconsin 49.5
Wyoming 32.4
U.S. Average 42
As you can see, it’s not our fault that in other countries, they pay waaaaaay more than us!

The oil companies have one idol that they worship above all others-the botom line. They figure we’ll get used to paying $4 a gallon, and they’ll look like heroes when they lower prices back down to $2.99.9 a gallon, and we’ll be dumb enough to praise them!

Meanwhile we’ve gotten used to planning our family budgets around the price of gas. The best way to describe the pain at the pump would be if you went to the grocery store one day, and suddenly the price of milk, eggs, beef, and beer suddenly doubled from what it was just two years ago, and what if a week later it doubled again?

The American people plan their lives around travel, and we’ve become comfortable with the fact that we can come and go at will, to see relatives, go to and from work and church, and have the freedom of independent movement.
Now, suddenly we’re having 30-60 dollars a month taken out of an already tight budget. This is going to affect our spending power, and this is going to impact our economy. To compensate, shipping companies are going to have to violate contracts and raise shipping charges. Everything in the American economy is delivered in big trucks that use lots of fuel. Stores will have to raise prices to offset the fuel charges.

So you see we’re not only being hit in the gas tank, but again in the wallet for daily purchases as well. We can’t afford other things, so we buy less, they can afford to ship less, wage demands go up, and profits go down.

Meanwhile the fat cats in Houston just sit back, puff on their cigars, straighten their Stetsons and smile in the comfort that they’ve got a president in their pocket and the world by the balls.

Know why? I’ll tell you, it’s because everyone’s blaming the A-rabs for gas going up, and not including Texas oil men in that blame. Every time the cartel raises prices Houston smiles, and so do their banks.

Think of it, an entity in the United States of America, dominant enough to slap down a driven, self-serving, self righteous President like George W. Bush, and powerful enough to keep him from much sought after love and regard from the American People, such as no leader has, or maybe never will see.

Now that’s something!

Is Bush to blame, you’re damn right he is for bowing to the oil industry’s bottom line.

Of course that’s only my opinion!

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  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    My friends, since I’ve been repeatedly accused of it in the past, let me state up front, that I acknowledge each and every reasonable comment made on my posts as a courtesy to the writer. This is an act of letting the writer know that I’m paying attention, whether I agree or not, rather than ignoring your input.

    This is not an act of getting in the last word as I’ve been accused of before, and probably will be again.

    I hope that I, and all of us learn and grow with each comment made, toward understanding eachother.

    Thank you for your attention, I now return you to your regularly scheduled program…

    This has been a recording

  • http://nonobjective.typepad.com Benjamin Glasgow

    I’ve been wondering if GW’s rhetoric of late decrying the ills of our “oil addiction” has left some oil execs more than just a little anxious. I imagine they receive advance warning (and reassurance) on the talking-points fox line… err, fax line I mean.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Benjamin #2 Good point, but probably no need. Or didn’t you hear the rumors that Bush’s new press secretary may be a commentator for Fox News?

  • http:blogs.epicindia.com/leapinthedark Richard Marcus

    Well as much as I’d like to lay the blame for as much as possible at feet of George W. to blame him for high gas prices is a little silly. We in North America (that’s Canada too, I’m not sure about Mexico) have been paying ridiculously low prices for our gas at the pump compared to the rest of the world for decades.

    In 1980 when I was in Germany the price of gas at the pump was about 75 cents a litre, or around $3.00 a gallon ( I think its around 4 litres to a gallon, sorry if I’m wrong, but I was the last generation in Canada that was on the pounds and ounces system like you folk south of the border so I’ve never really figured out metric)

    The point I’m making is we are finally starting to pay the actual cost of gas, based on the world’s supply and demand, not just our own. No matter how much we’d like to delude ourselves that North America is separate from the rest of the world we’re not.

    We’re just going to have to face facts, we need to start looking in the mirror and accept responsibility for our own consumtion. It’s far too easy to blame Bush or other politicians, but they really have no controll over the world price situation no matter what they’d like to think.

    Even if they are making a short term gain right now with the high prices at the pump George’s buddies are going to be out of work within a couple of decades when the price exceeds what people are willing to pay for it and we finally wake up to the fact that we don’t need to drive an eight cylander vehicle to the mall for our shopping.

    cheers

    Richard Marcus

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dear Richard, I kinda expected this to come up, and I’m glad it did.

    Sure, to the rest of the world, it looks like we’re crying little spoiled brats bawling because someone took away our rattles. The view from your side of the fence would be “Hey we’ve got to pay 6-7 dollars a gallon, why shouldn’t you?”

    Well as painful as it is to admit, maybe you’re right. But consider this.

    When a business gives you preferencial treatment your whole life, because you’re his best customer, you get used to it, you plan your family budget around it, you get comfortable with it.

    But what if you went to the grocery store one day, and suddenly the price of milk, eggs, beef, and beer suddenly doubled from what it was two years ago, what if a week later it doubled again?

    People here plan their lives around travel, and in America we’ve become comfortable with the fact that we can come and go at will, to see relatives, go to and from work, and have the freedom of independant movement.

    Suddenly we’re having 30-50 dollars a month taken out of an already tight budget.

    This is going to effect our spending power, and this is going to impact our ecomomy. To compensate, shipping companies are going to have to violate contracts and raise shipping charges. Everything in the American economy is delivered in big trucks that use lots of fuel. Stores will have to raise prices to off set the fuel charges. So you see we’re not only being hit in the gas tank, but again in the wallet for daily purchases as well.

    We can’t afford other things, so we buy less, they can afford to ship less, wage demands go up, profits go down.

    Meanwhile the fat-cats in Houston just sit back, puff on their cigars, straighten their stetsons and smile in the comfort that they’ve got a president in their pocket and the world by the balls. Know why, everyone’s blaming the a-rabs for gas going up, and don’t include Texas oil men in that blame. Every time the cartel raises prices Houston smiles, and so does their banks.

    Thanks for your contribution

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Richard: regarding comment $. Thanks much, I edited my comment 5 to make it part of my personal site’s article, which makes it much more complete.
    Thanks for the inspiration.
    Jet.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jet, I have to agree with Richard on the US paying way too little for gassoline and oil compared to the rest of the world. And the coversion for liter to gallon is 3.76 liters per American gallon (which differs from the imperial gallon once used in the UK).

    But Richard, the point you’re missing is that the American oil cartels have been screwing everybody else over for decades and now are doing it at home too.

    Oil shuld cost no more than $18/barrel to provide more than reasonable return to the oil companies and various partners for something that costs $3/barrel at the wellhead.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thanks Ruvy #7. You may be missing something in your assumption. How much of your high price of gas is government tax per gallon? We may actually be paying aproximately the same BEFORE taxes.

    Americans (depending on which state they live in) are being taxed as much as a dollar or more per gallon! of gas. Foriegn governments around the world have been known to charge at least $2-4 per gallon, which might make up your difference at the pump!

    Some states are actually losing revenue because of vehicles that are more fuel efficient, and are actually considering reconfiguring the tax at the pump to your odometer reading!

    So you see it’s in the best interest of most states/governments to keep the price of gas low so people can afford to buy more gas and use more gallons that can be taxed.

    Most Americans at the moment are paying about $3 a gallon, and actually about a dollar or more is in tax!

    As more and more cars become more fuel efficient, the oil companies are raising the price at the pump to keep those obscene profits coming in at the same level as consumers buy less, less often per car at the pump.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Gas Taxes per gallon listed by state or country

    The tax on a gallon of gas in the United Kingdom is currently $3.40, bringing it to $5.89 a gallon!

    In the U.S. in cents we have.
    Alabama 39.4
    Alaska 26.4
    Arizona 37.4
    Arkansas 40.1
    California 50.4
    Colorado 40.4
    Connecticut 48.1
    Delaware 41.4
    Dist. of Columbia 38.4
    Florida 48
    Georgia 30.6
    Hawaii 53.5
    Idaho 43.4
    Illinois 48.4
    Indiana 36.5
    Iowa 39.5
    Kansas 42.4
    Kentucky 39.8
    Louisiana 38.4
    Maine 41.9
    Maryland 41.9
    Massachusetts 39.9
    Michigan 44.6
    Minnesota 38.4
    Mississippi 37.2
    Missouri 35.4
    Montana 46.2
    Nebraska .8
    Nevada 51.7
    New Hampshire 39
    New Jersey 32.9
    New Mexico 36.4
    New York 48.7
    North Carolina 40.8
    North Dakota 39.4
    Ohio 40.4
    Oklahoma 35.4
    Oregon 42.4
    Pennsylvania 45.1
    Rhode Island 49.4
    South Carolina 35.2
    South Dakota 42.4
    Tennessee 39.8
    Texas 38.4
    Utah 42.9
    Vermont 38.4
    Virginia 37.3
    Washington 41.4
    West Virginia 43.8
    Wisconsin 49.5
    Wyoming 32.4
    U.S. Average 42

    As you can see, it’s not our fault that in other countries, they pay waaaaaay more than us!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Looking at the above gas tax chart you can see that we’re all paying about the same per gallon worldwide before governments impose taxes per gallone

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I just wonder why you’re always the FIRST person to comment on your own posts?

    just a thought…

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Just to piss you off Andy-just to piss you off.

    If you’d actually read the first comment you’d know why, I’ve had a few jerks make some unsubstanciated accusations made.

    How about a comment on the article? Also the additional information contained in comment 9 and 5 might be educational…

    sheesh

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    and in all your other posts???

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    here i was thinking it was just to bring attention to the stuff you’re writing…

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ruvy, I hope comment 9 answers your question…
    Thanks

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    You’re absolutely right Andy-absofuckinlootly right. I childishly live to see my name in the fresh comments column, I joyously live to see me at the top of the most commenters list. You caught me, I’m just a immature asshole who likes to see my name all the time and have no real contribution to make what so ever to this website.

    Now comment on the fucking article, or get lost!!!

    {:^p~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I was going to delete this post, and start over again incorporating new information and opinions in comments 5 and 9, but at EO’s suggestion, I re-edited it to include them here, so ignore all the above.

    Thanks
    Jet
    :-)

  • Nancy

    I don’t think people would be so incensed over oil prices if it weren’t for the obscene, record PROFITS Exxon & other oil companies are posting, not to mention the gratuitous addition of insult to injury by gifting their outgoing chairman with a $400 million platinum parachute. THAT’S what I think is the major source of the outrage. An additional reason is that no matter what happens, there’s always some lame excuse they come up with as to why they have to raise prices, but when the condition requiring the price raise ceases, then there’s never a concomitant reason they need to LOWER prices. Something stinks, there, yeah?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thanks Nancy, I was hoping you’d give your view. While you were, I did a edit on it incorporating some of those ideas.

    As always… Thanks
    Jet

  • Nancy

    Yer welcome.

    I guess I just really resent that they’ve gotten so callous & careless & obvious, they just don’t care anymore if the public is outraged or not, so now they’re not even TRYING to come up with viable excuses. And I don’t buy Nalle’s contorted arithmatical calculations that try to prove that Exxon is actually losing money, etc. etc. ad nauseam. Yeah, right: tell it to the Marines.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I must’ve missed something, which blog did Dave assert that?

  • Nancy

    You have missed a lot: just about every thread where we’ve been attacking corporate profits & the oil companies come up. I don’t have enough life or this blog enough room to list them all. Not in this one, tho. It sort of goes hand in hand with his ubiquitous defense of trickle-down economics, & how the very rich getting even richer benefits all of us, etc. etc.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ahhhh, as Bush Sr. so famously called it “voodoo economics”

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jet,

    Thanks for the compilation of the data. My point was that if the oil cmpanies were making a decent profit, instead of an obscenely high one, the price of gas at the pump would be a lot lower.

    Eighteen dollars a barrel translates into roughly .45 a gallon before tax. If a uniform 25% tax were imposed, then the price of gas would be .60 – sixty cents a gallon.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ruvy, yes you’re right. But the governments of this world need something that we all use to tax us out of house and home with, and gasoline for the moment is it.

    When we run out of oil, maybe they’ll start taxing sugar or corn from which ethanol is made.

    Thank you for your contribution sir.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jet,

    Look back at your own article. If you run America on cheap oil, you get an exploding economy with lots of people making lots of money. If you run Europe, South Asia, Israel and the world on cheap oli, you have an exploding world economy with everybody making so much money they haven’t got time to make either love or war. You get world peace!!

    But instead, the situation is that the oil and banking establishment is soaking up every dollar euro, yen and shekel they can grab, and nobody is making money – and everybody wants to make war. Only the oilmen, bankers and funeral hall directors profit.

    Capisce?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ruvy, there are people in this world who don’t care how poor people get, they don’t care how sick people get from a poluted environment, they don’t care how much war causes in human life, and they don’t care how much the deficit or the debt climbs-they don’t have to solve the problems they’ve created in the here and now…

    They can afford to officially deny Global warming, or the fact that some day we’ll have to find something other than oil to run this country on after it runs out. The Saudis don’t care what their future generations live on after their reserves run out.

    That’s someone in the future’s problem not theirs…they’ll never live long enough to have to suffer with their decisions… and they don’t care, as long as they’re getting rich off of it now.

  • http://nonobjective.typepad.com Benjamin Glasgow

    Is it just me or does it seem like the level of hostility is disproportionate to the level of actual disagreement?

    Anyway, the point should be made that tax revenue on gasoline actually decreases as the price of gas goes up.

    So the oft repeated line that government is engaging in tax & spend gasoline orgies is just inaccurate.

    Now, the indirect subsidies for oil company is another story entirely.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    So, Jet, you’ve have just isolated the source of the world’s problems and gotten it down to htree words “they don’t care.”

    Not bad for political analysis. In fact, a very nice job. Where did you say you got your Poli Sci diploma from?

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Nancy: And I don’t buy Nalle’s contorted arithmatical calculations that try to prove that Exxon is actually losing money, etc. etc. ad nauseam. Yeah, right: tell it to the Marines.

    Jet: I must’ve missed something, which blog did Dave assert that?

    Very astute, Jet. In fact, the last time I commented on Exxon it was to point out that they were the ONLY oil company which actually increased both their net profit AND their percentage profit during the oil price increase. Meaning that although all the companies were wrongly accused of profiteering, Exxon was the one company which actually was guilty of engaging in that despicable practice. Well, Conoco too, but they subsequently backed down and lowered their prices. I believe I called Exxon ‘bastards’ in that comment as well.

    Nancy sometimes reads what she expects to read rather than what’s actually written on the page.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ben #28…”tax revenue on gasoline actually decreases as the price of gas goes up.”

    Okay, you’ll have to explain that to me? Gas is taxed on a sliding scale??? I’m not doubting you, I’m just perplexed, and hoping you’ll explain that.

    Thanks
    Jet

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ruvy #29…Not bad for political analysis. In fact, a very nice job. Where did you say you got your Poli Sci diploma from?

    If that was meant as a compliment, thank you sir, I got it from life.

    On the other hand I’ve stated on several occasions that I haven’t the slightest idea what I’m talking about.

    I just figure that if I say enough stupid things, someone will come along and correct me. I enjoy this give and take we have here as a learning experience, and have never claimed to know everything.

    We can never learn anything from eachother if we always agree…
    True my friend?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave, how many times to I have to tell you not to stick up for one of my comments??? You’ll wreck your reputation, my friend!

    Thanks for contributing the info on Exxon, it clears up a few things for me, expecially that $400 million golden umbrella.

    Don’t worry Nancy, you’ll get him next time!

    …but of course that only my opinion!

  • http://nonobjective.typepad.com Benjamin Glasgow

    Jet: Most tax levied on gasoline is charged per gallon, not percent.

    For example: based on your table above, as a Floridian I pay $.48 per gallon in taxes on gasoline. If gas is, say, $1.00 per gallon, then I’m paying 48% in taxes on that gallon.

    If the price per gallon was $2.00, then my tax rate would actually be 24%, but the gov’t is still only getting that $.48 per gallon. No matter what at-the-pump price per gallon is.

    We know that the as prices rise (due to external, non-tax related factors) consumption falls. And vice versa.

    Some figure there’s an inversely proportional ratio of 1 / .4; increase the price of gas by 10% and consumption falls 4%.

    Oregon is testing out some scenarios where miles traveled would be taxed, as opposed to gallons purchased. This also would alleviate the tax revenue lost due to hybrids and other mileage efficient vehicles. I’m not advocating the plan (sounds a little too Orwellian to me), just highlighting it.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ben, thanks for explaining that, much appreciated.

    Ohio too is talking about charging per mile instead of gallon

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jet, that was a sincere compliment. The only problem with your analysis is that it isn’t long enough for you to get paid for a column. You’d get more delivering pizza.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    #36 Ruvy, Hmmmmmm, okay I’ll see how many words I can expand it to in doubletalk and get bact to you.

    thanks ;)

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Ohio too is talking about charging per mile instead of gallon

    You do realize, do you not, that a per-mile tax is a way to reduce the tax for SUV users? That seems directly contrary to good sense, not to mention painfully difficult to administer fairly. What makes a tax charged per gallon so perfect is that it is so simple. Use more gas, pay more tax. Don’t like the tax you’re paying, go out and buy a Prius to commute in. Elegant.

    Dave

  • Nancy

    How on earth would they be able to track how many miles anyone travels? That sort of thing does sound entirely too intrusive. As for ‘getting’ Dave, I don’t try to ‘get’ anybody. It’s just that when it comes to economics in general, I don’t buy his arguments, that’s all – which is fine, because he certainly doesn’t care for mine. And he’s generally a good writer even if I disagree with him.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave 38 & Nancy: #39

    “…In a 2003 report, the group projected, based on an estimated numbers of hybrid and fuel cell vehicles, that state income from the gas tax would start to drop in 2014, despite population growth and an increase in the number of vehicles.

    The group eventually suggested enacting a per-mile tax rate of 1.25 cents, a figure that would roughly equal the state’s total road tax gathered at the pump. But with drivers going into other states and some vehicle odometers unreliable or broken there was no precise and reliable way to collect it.

    GPS and the driving tax

    Oregon State University professors David Kim and David Porter soon concocted a GPS-based data collection system that could be built into gas pumps. The system, which is now being tested in Oregon, uses a GPS system mounted to the vehicle. At each gas station fill-up, the GPS system interfaces with a potentially networked pump, which then adds the appropriate tax to the pump total. In the proposed tax system, all new cars would need GPS receivers, while old cars would still use the flat rate at the pump.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Sounds like bad craziness to me. They could just increase the gas tax gradually instead of going to all that extra expense.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave #41… Dave you’re more deluded than even I give you credit for! You actually expect politicians to make sense concerning taxes????

    Nancy go over and feel his forehead!

  • Joey

    I heard (and I can’t really prove this) that oil companies make a whopping 9cents per gallon of gasoline sold.

    Is that true?

  • Joey

    I would really dig cheap gas. Let me illustrate my busy life.

    I commute in a 91 Honda Civic (I’ve always had a beater, and always will) I have another car, which is a 2004, but I keep it in the garage and drive it occasionally (because I can).

    I don’t have cable, I usually eat a nice lunch at work, mostly salad bar stuff.

    I travel once a year to either Florida or Arizona. I travel ALOT at work. Some years I don’t go anywhere on vacation, although I DO take time off.

    I grew up all over the place and still move around every 3 or 5 years. The longest I ever lived anywhere was in D.C., for 9 years. I took mass transit to work and didn’t own a vehicle.

    I don’t disagree with oil, Nuclear energy, alternative sources of power or anything. I dig power, I have been in the electrical field and associated with the national power grid for 30 years.

    Since I’m doing all of this conserving… and the price of guzzleleen has risen more than I care it to. I have cut back even further.

    I make side trips, I have stopped eating at restaurants, I don’t go to movies, I haven’t really bought anything new to wear in several months, and have plenty of summer clothes to wear to the retailers won’t be seeing me. Why? Because I have to get back and forth to work in a ’91 Honda Civic and it’s starting to dig into my living expenses and I haven’t budgeted for it.

    So, who’s losing out. Not the oil companies, they’re getting more of my budget. Not the gov’t, cause I’m paying taxes.

    But all the mom and pop stores I used to frequent, the eating spots, the wine shop, the grocer, the hardware store… Florida and Arizona (because I’m not vactioning this year). The price of gas has shifted my priorities and the library has seen a lot of me checking out reading material for entertainment (I can stop at the library on my way home from work).

    and that’s my day… “there are million stories in the naked city”

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    #43 An industry-wide study in the late 1990s showed that oil industry profits amounted to an estimated 7.3 cents on each gallon sold. More recently, ConocoPhillips reported that during the third quarter of 2005 earnings from its U.S. refining and marketing operations amounted to 9 cents per gallon. This compares with a national average retail price of $2.60 per gallon during the third quarter, the period of highest gasoline prices in 2005.

    But of course you knew this already. Now multiply this by billions of gallons of gas per day and that’s a lot. Of course we could over exagerate the other way and say they only make a whopping 2.25 cents a quart! Those poor oil companies, how do they keep from going bankrupt????

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    UPDATE-April 26, 2006

    The Washington Post has reported today that while Republican leaders sharply criticize soaring gasoline prices and energy industry profits, GOP negotiators behind closed doors have decided to knock out provisions in a major tax bill that would force the oil companies to pay billions of dollars more in taxes on their profits. The actions of Republicans hashing out a tax bill behind closed doors indicate that, despite tough talk from the White House and Capitol Hill, the party is not ready to hit the oil companies hard — even on measures that have broad support in the Senate.

    The biggest of the provisions would change accounting rules that apply to oil in storage. Currently, oil companies are allowed to calculate the taxable value of their inventories based on the value of the oldest stocks, when oil may have been worth $30 a barrel. But much of the inventory may have been pumped from the ground when oil was selling for more than double that. Critics say that understates the value of the companies’ oil supplies purely to lower their tax payments.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Joey #44, thanks for that run down on your fascinating personal life. It was wonderful

  • Nancy

    It shouldn’t be news to anyone that congress – especially the Republicans in congress as well as BushCo in the WH – are firmly bought & paid for by Big Oil?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    This is being investigated in the House of Representitives behind closed doors as we speak.

  • Nancy

    Why behind closed doors? Are they afraid of exposing their paymasters – or more likely, just trying to figure out how much they can continue to hide while blustering & posturing about the scapegoat of their choice, & doing as little as possible to actually upset the status quo. The pity of it is, the media & public are stupid enough not to call them on it.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Look at the poll numbers Nancy, they’re turning around… slowly, but they’re turning around.

  • MCH

    “and that’s my day… “there are million stories in the naked city””
    – Joey

    …so why did we have to hear this one…?

  • Nancy

    No, they’re not turning around. They’re weaseling around for a temporarily more comfortable posture to take while they figure out how to shift the blame, start up all kinds of “investigations” & committees that will never do anything or amount to jack shit as far as public relief goes, until they can shift public attention & outrage somewhere else, meanwhile doing absolutely nothing except make useless gestures – just like congressional oversight & lobbying reform. It’s a bunch of fucking corrupt lawyers who endlessly play games with the public through the letter of the law in order to enrich themselves at the public trough, until they’re so old & senile they can’t shovel slop any more with the rest of the pigs – who in turn protect each other as much as possible. No, nothing is turning; they’re all just looking to stay low until the next feather in the wind catches the MSM’s minute attention span.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    MCH #52.. Ahhhhhhh don’t you know, Joey’s one of my biggest fans!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Nancy #53 Don’t mince words Nancy, how do you really feel?

  • sal m

    what i haven’t seen mentioned during this discussion – and maybe i’ve just missed it – is that oil companies don’t determine how much oil costs. if you know anyone who is an energy trader you might know that they basically set the price of gas and oil based on the prices of oil futures.

    i have read about how many companies are switching to gas with ethanol added in order to help reduce water pollution, and this has helped create a shortage.

    also, oil companies make a lot of money on other things besides just selling gas…they make money selling crude and natural gas and petroleum that is used to make chemicals and drugs.

    i also read that natural gas prices were up at the end of 05 which allowed companies to make more money than they are now as natural gas prices are lower.

    and despite the outrage over high profits in the oil biz, banks, drug companies and tech firms have a higher profit margin than do the oil companies.

    conoco phillips has announced high earnings and according to business analysts they did so because they are well managed. another thing that i haven’t seen mentioned is how much oil companies spend…conoco is reported to be spending 18 BILLION dollars in capital investments this year.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Nancy says…”start up all kinds of “investigations” & committees that will never do anything or amount to jack shit as far as public relief goes, until they can shift public attention & outrage somewhere else,”

    You’ve got to remember sweetie, that these are republicans investigating republicans. What do you expect?

    Fear not, I agree

  • Nancy

    My problem is I expect my elected representatives to hold to the same standards I hold for myself, which includes NOT looking the other way when questions arise, even if it involves family or friends.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Nancy #58. Unfortunately a member of congress no longer “represents’ the people he was elected by, he prepresents the people that financially backed his campaign. In this case, big oil

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Sal m #56…
    i have read about how many companies are switching to gas with ethanol added in order to help reduce water pollution, and this has helped create a shortage
    Good point, but remember that the higher the percent of ethanol, the lower the gas mileage you get, so they win in the long run too, because you have to fill up more often.

    oil companies make a lot of money on other things besides just selling gas
    Unfortunately the independant gas station owners don’t, making more on a cup of coffee sometimes than a tank of gas, because people are forced to price shop for gas, so the lowest per gallon, even it it’s a only penny usually win out, which means the station owner hardly ever makes out.

    i also read that natural gas prices were up at the end of 05 which allowed companies to make more money than they are now as natural gas prices are lower.
    Those higer prices will mean electric bills zooming to as much as 70-100 percent in the coming months.

    and despite the outrage over high profits in the oil biz, banks, drug companies and tech firms have a higher profit margin than do the oil companies.
    On the other side of the coin Banks, Drug companies and tech firms aren’t daily necessities like filling up at the pump is to most workers.

    conoco is reported to be spending 18 BILLION dollars in capital investments this year
    Is that money out of their reported profits?

    Thanks for the info

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    conoco is reported to be spending 18 BILLION dollars in capital investments this year
    Is that money out of their reported profits?

    Yes, Jet. Capital investment is a great way to make your net profits look smaller.

    As for Ethanol, don’t forget that one reason why prices are rising right now is that as of Monday of this week all new gas in distribution is supposed to be E15 with 15% Ethanol instead of MTBE. That’s another of the Bush administration initiatives which in this case reduces dangerous emissions and also reduces consumption of oil.

    Let’s add that to the list. Bush, the evil destroyer of the environment, is the first president since 1978 to raise the CAFE standards. He’s also the president who made the CAFE standards apply to SUVs. And he finally got rid of MTBE and put the entire nation on gasohol. What an anti-environmental, big-oil lackey, bastard he is!

    The sad side effect of the new ethanol gas is that there isn’t enough ethanol in distribution to meet the requirement, so getting the new gas mixed and out to your gas stations in a timely manner is causing shortages and price increases – hence the current rise in gas prices.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave? Have you been watching the news?

    This is the same Bush that yesterday proposed suspending those same special blends and also suspending environmental restrictions so that gas could be distributed faster?

    By the way, the higher the percent of Ethanol, the lower the gas mileage, so they make up for the lower price per gallon, by making people fill up more often.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Comming to a blog near you, how the republicans are trying to buy Alaska for two tanks of gas!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Okay Andy Marsh where are you. My latest political rant concerning Frist and Alaska needs a first comment! Let’s get with it before someone beats you to it!

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    This is the same Bush that yesterday proposed suspending those same special blends and also suspending environmental restrictions so that gas could be distributed faster?

    This is because so many people have been bitching about the high price of gas. He’s a politician, so he’s responsive to public pressure. Stop bitching and he’ll behave himself. Pay the extra $1.50 on your gas and be happy.

    By the way, the higher the percent of Ethanol, the lower the gas mileage, so they make up for the lower price per gallon, by making people fill up more often.

    Hardly. Gas mileage goes down by 1.5% for every 10% of ethanol mixed in. So it’s still a huge net gain in gas conservation. And BTW you’re parrotting the disinformation of Exxon and their stooges now.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    c’mon Dave, you know by now that I have no idea what I’m talking about!

    Whatdya think of my new post?

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    You have a new post? I’ll go look for it.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Yes Dave #67 it’s entitled “Frist and Big Oil Try to Buy Alaska for Two Tanks of Gas!”

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave #65. “And BTW you’re parrotting the disinformation of Exxon and their stooges now.”

    Since I get most of my opinions from what I see on CNN and read in the local republican slanted Columbus Dispatch, can you give me some sources of disinformation that I seem to be quoting?

    Come to think of it…Disinformation from Exxon!!!???… they’d lie to us???? I thought you liked EXXON. You could be stripped of your Texas club membership and banned from all the golf courses if you keep talking like that!

  • Dave Nalle

    I found the other post, btw.

    And check my past comments. I despise Exxon. Other gas companies I have some warm feelings for, but Exxon sucks in every way.

    And Exxon’s not from Texas, they’re from your home state.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Yikes! I guess that means I won’t be going golfing any time soon, even with my handicap.

    Let’s see, would that be what was Standard Oil of Ohio? Are you old enough to remember the Boron, Esso, or Sohio brands, or were they just up here?

    I’m not sure, but I think Esso became Exxon, but I can’t remember what ESSO stood for. Sohio was Standard Oil of Ohio

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    By the way, what’d you think of the editorial cartoon I picked for the article, and how the shape of Alaska looks stangely familiar?

  • Dave Nalle

    Esso was Standard Oil. I remember both Esso and Standard Oil having stations where I lived, but not Boron.

    The cartoon was nice and neutral – a bit larger than is normally considered acceptable for BC format tho. Attractive new version of Alaska in it.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Comment #7 of my article “Frist and Big Oil Try to Buy Alaska for Two Tanks of Gas!” gives a current breakdown of how much crude we import from the top 15 sources…

    Jet

  • sal m

    with regards to ethanol you’ve set this up as a damned if they do, damned if they don’t argument. we’ve been preached to for years by the environmentalists that we must do everything to save mother earth. so i would think having to pay a little more at the pump is small sacrifice to improve the environment.

    since you bring up how much filling up costs “the workers” are you saying that “the workers” because they “work” – as opposed to other groups who i guess don’t “work” – shouldn’t also be responsible for pitching in to clean up the environment?

    independent gas stations – as well as the chains – are gouging at the pump. a 2 minute walk from my house i can throw a rock from one of these stations to the next and where i’m standing regular costs 3.05 and where the rock lands regular costs 2.85…i have no sympathy…and on my 15 minute drive to and from work i see price fluctuations on the order of .30-.50 regularly.

    this is why the attorney’s general in ny and nj have set up investagative operations to catch these theives.

    gas is a vital industry and we all need it, so are drugs and tech…no industry operates in a vacuum. your position that profits should somehow be inversely related to importance ignores the nature of the economy. to take this argument further, it would be like claiming that the food industry shouldn’t be allowed to make too much profit because everyone needs to eat.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thanks sal m #75, all valid points, but the whole situation is “Damned if we do and Damned if we don’t.”
    It takes petroleum to process Ethenol. On top of that, there’s no such thing as an Ethenol station, which means even if we went to pure ethenol, there’d be no place to buy it but a gas station.

    Gas stations make so little profit on Gas, that they have had to resort to closing the repair garage part of their businesses, because they profit so little, they can’t afford to pay the mechanics when they’re idle. Most have turned the lube rack into coffee machines and potatoe chip isles. When you see one station’s price go up and suddenly everyone else’s, it’s because they’re trying to make as much as they can to stay in business, and they figure if the guy next to me can do it, why can’t I? In some places it’s a matter of what brand you trust because they’re all priced the same.

    Then there’s the station owners that’ll intentionally raise their prices 8-9 cents, just long enough for fake their competitors into changing theirs to match, then just as quickly guy’s goes up, they lower theirs back down, so everyone stops at them because they’re lower. This is probably the variation you see.

    Profit isn’t being made at the pump at a gas station, it’s at the coffee/drink counter, or haven’t you noticed how much higher the price of a 2-liter is at one of those places?

    As for the petroleum industry making their smaller percentage of profit, the point I was trying to make is that you can price shop for drugs and groceries, but usually not gasoline.
    You can usually go without an asparin, or a jelly doughnut, but you have to buy gas, and they know it, so you’re at their mercy-like it or not.

    Big Oil knows that they have this country, including its president by the balls.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Arch Conservative, placing smart-ass and childish remarks here about people or a subject that has nothing to do with this editorial/opinion is doing wonders for your reputation, not to mention how intelligent (or lack of it) people think you are.

    I’d like to thank the comments editor for removing it before it was seen

    Sincerely
    Jet

  • zingzing

    he’s just baiting you. he probably thinks it’s hilarious. then again, i think his p.j.’s are hilarious. cute, but he’s got a large pimple on his ass.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    zingZing #78… No… No, I won’t ask how you know what his pajamas look like, but the pimple explains a lot.

  • zingzing

    it’s how i imagine bing. he wears pjs and has no hair or eyes.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh god, I hope that picture doesn’t get stuck in my head the rest of the day… What were we talking about?

  • Nancy

    Uh…uh…I think about oil companies actually not making that much money?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave seems to think they’re almost broke. Maybe we should get a collection together and send them something?

  • Nancy

    How about the clap – ? No, no, I’m sorry, my mind is unhinged. Uh… never mind. Off to the operating room, so will get back to all in a week or so, inshallah. Don’t kill each other, now.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Par for the course Nancy, Par for the course.

    Take care…

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave, you never told me what disinformation that I was parroting from Exxon?

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    The business about ethanol costing more energy to produce than it would provide once in use. That’s the Big Oil line on it and far from the complete picture.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave 86: After reading up on Ethanol, or E85 based flexfuel vecicles, in such places as US News and World report, etc, I’ve made a few discoveries.

    With GM in particular making a big deal about flexfuel vehicles, what they don’t mention is that the stuff is nearly impossible to find! One writer stated in New York City that there were all of 4 stations that sold it and all were limited to Government vehicles! The nearest station he could find was 200 miles away!

    While Ethanol is indeed a cleaner burning fuel, a new flexfuel truck getting 18 miles to the gallon only gets 14 on E85.

    Since it won’t be a viable option to the average consumer, I’d like to table that aspect for the sake of this particular conversation.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    You’re preaching to the choir, Jet. In the state of Texas there isn’t a single place you can buy E85 at this time, and that’s true for everything between the rockies and the apalachias. Basically it’s only available in a few places on the east and west coasts.

    Now, of course, you can make it yourself fairly easily by buying bulk ethanol and mixing it with gasoline, but how many people are going to do that?

    As for the reduction in gas mileage, the figures I’ve seen show a drop in gas mileage of about 18% for E85. Put it in a Prius and you’re still going to be getting 49mpg, which is pretty damned good.

    Dave

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Oh, and might I add that this is why I’m buying a new Diesel truck, not one that can run on E85.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave #89…This is hitting the lower income portion of the population the hardest. How are they going to be able to buy a new car, much less a Prius????

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave #90 How nice for you that you can afford one, be sure and e-mail me a photo.

  • http://alienboysworld.blogspot.com Christopher Rose

    Sounds like a fantastic business opportunity for someone if the big guys aren’t doing it yet. Texanol anybody?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    The problem with that is you actually need a government permit to operate a still, which is what’s needed to produce pure ethanol.

    Maybe we can borrow Daves???

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Jet, one of the plusses of high gas prices is that it will help revive our public transport industry. Taking a bus is even better than buying a Prius. I took a bus to work for years and it worked just fine.

    As for illegal stills, we have ways of dealing with the revenooers.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Maybe where you live Dave, but a lot of people don’t feel safe walking to a bus stop, riding on one, or even standing on a street corner waiting on a bus any more.

  • gonzo marx

    comment #95 sez…
    *Jet, one of the plusses of high gas prices is that it will help revive our public transport industry.*

    like it did during the 70’s oil crisis?

    puh-leeEEEEeeeezzze spare me the bullshyte

    have you checked the Fed budget for Amtrack?

    /disgusted

    Excelsior?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thanks gonzo #97. As a point of fact, most metropolitan bus systems are at the moment raising rates and cutting back on routes to try to stay in business
    Any more it’s not the bus ride, it’s getting to and from the bus to take the ride.

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com SteveS

    I haven’t been following along on this whole thread, but I just did a search on this page for the word ‘pool’, and nothing came up.

    I’m surprised nobody’s talking about carpooling. We’ve trimmed down to just one car, and I keep it in the driveway most all the time, just to have it for emergencies or only really using it to go to the store or when we go out, which is never.

    My partner carpools to work now with other coworkers and it’s great savings. Plus, it keeps you from getting stuck in the office in the evening, you have an excuse to leave when everybody else does.

    Carpooling and having no social life cuts your gas expenses down by about 80%!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    SteveS #90 An intelligent response… I may faint!

    But then I can always count on you.

  • nugget

    “puh-leeEEEEeeeezzze spare me the bullshyte

    have you checked the Fed budget for Amtrac”

    I have to agree with gonzo. People aren’t going to take public transportation. They’re going to used their credit cards more at the pump.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Nugget #101 Absofuckinlootly! Stay tuned for my next post on this very subject!

  • nugget

    will do.

    I’m envisioning some ditsy 18-year old high school chick opting out of using daddy’s credit card at Exxon and opting for the City Bus. YEA….ok.

    A huge problem is this: Even though most of America is middle class, most of America’s middle class wants to be seen as upper class. So throw objectivity and saving money out the window.

    Americans aren’t complaining about gas prices because they need that money for rent or to make a thrifty trip to the grocery store. They’re pissed because they’ve been working 12 hours a day to buy a new LCD/plasma screen TV with DirectTV satellite and still want to chow down every friday and saturday night at the local Japanese steakhouse. I’m not trashing our society. It’s true.

    Dave, being objective on these rhetorical issues means correctly assuming that people, especially Americans, are going to do the EXPECTED thing, NOT the rational thing.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Nugget #103 Are you psychic or do you have access to pending articles not posted yet?

  • nugget

    neither. But if I were the former I wouldn’t be a middle-class pretender. haha.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thanks Nugget… Now to get back to the original subject. President Bush had a golden opportunity to put billions of barrels of oil on the market, and make himself a big hero!

    He didn’t because his owners (the oil industry) didn’t want the price of crude to fall by that much suddenly hitting the market!

    Hard to imagine an entity in this country with enough power to do that isn’t it?

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Gonzo, it was in the 70s when I relied on public transportation and it worked great, was cheap and got me where I was going fairly fast. I used it because I couldn’t afford a car or gas at the time. I also rode my bike a lot. Looking back on it I’d hardly say I was suffering for it.

    As Jet said, routes have been cut back. They’ve been cut back because no one is using public transportation. From what I’ve seen people have become much more savvy about using credit cards. I think that they WILL start using public transportation if it’s still there to serve them and responds to the demand.

    As for waiting at a bus stop, the more people who are there waiting the safer it will be, no matter where you are.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Unless of course, you live in an urban area and the others standing there are the ones waiting to jump you, which has happened here in Columbus.

    But then recently I’ve become overly paranoid about it.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I might also add that being handicapped as I am, It’s quite a strain to walk to the bus stop, and once there, it’s usually nowhere near where you’re going, if not several blocks away to and from your destination bus stop.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Jet, here in Austin the bus company will come to your house with a special bus or cab and pick you up if you’re handicapped – usually at no charge. Don’t they have a federally or state funded program like that in Columbus?

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Yes but it costs too much and the paperwork is horendous. It’s called COTA, and they’re in the process of trying to get another levy passed to keep going.

    I’ll have to resort to that though if the bank finds out I couldn’t get my license this tuesday. I’m definately calling or trying to find the Lion’s club tomorrow. I’ve got an appointment with my “Doctor of Record” for workman’s comp, and I’m wondering how much longer I’ll be on that.

    Thanks

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Can you imagine, if Bush had actually grown a set of balls and stood up to Big Oil, that crude in Iraq would’ve put gas prices at probably sub $1.50 levels and even I’d consider him a hero!

    If this trend keeps going, once the oil reserves run out, Iraq may have the only supply left, then you’re going to see the war of all wars. It’ll make Thunderdome look line Romper room!

  • Travis Pissedoffatexxon

    Exxon sucks. Bush has half a brain. The whole world is going to hell. Let’s start a gas boycott in the United States. I’m making no money delivering pizzas with the steadily increasing gas prices. RETALIATE!!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Travis 113, That’s putting it mildly! However all the boycott will do is hurt the independant dealers, not the oil company.

    Brace yourself, food prices are going to go through the roof bacause farmers can’t afford the gas for their tractors and soon you’ll be yelling about our dependance on foreign food!

    Oil also goes into a lot of surprising products and plastics we use every day, and remember that everything is delivered by truck, so expect prices on everything to skyrocket.

    Also a lot of power plants depend on natural gas and petroleum, so expect electric bills to go up 70 to 100 percent this summer.

    Thanks for contributing

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I wonder what ever happened to Bush’s Federal investigation into fuel prices. Could bird flu speeches have been a diversion to get us not to notice he’s not going to do a damn thing about it?

  • Heloise

    Twenty savvy ways to increase your gas mileage

    1) walk more
    2) buy a house in the city
    3) buy a bike and ride it
    4) live close to work if you can
    5) take the junk out the trunk
    6) use your cruise control on the highway
    7) keep the windows closed
    8) keep your tank full
    9) don’t use the AC
    10) buy higher octane gas during the summer especially when you find
    it around 3.00 a gallon
    11) car pool
    12) consolidate your errands
    13) park the car in the driveway and walk, don’t buy gas as often it
    will help drive down the demand
    14) do your homework before you buy a hybrid==insurance or other
    hidden costs have to be considered such as the key replacement for
    the prius is $800…
    15) keep the air pressure in your tires at the right pressure
    16) change your oil regularly
    17) take the mike and the media away from lefty liberals who banned new refineries in CA which has spread across America
    18) write to your Rep, except the folks in Rhode Island, about your displeasure and how you will vote if this gas and refinery nonsense is not resolved
    19) be glad that this is election season–we the people can make a change with our votes
    20) keep the liberals out of the White House, because the gas crisis could get worse.

    Heloise

    More later

  • Heloise

    Twenty-two savvy ways to increase your gas mileage

    1) walk more
    2) buy a house in the city
    3) buy a bike and ride it
    4) live close to work if you can
    5) take the junk out the trunk
    6) use your cruise control on the highway
    7) keep the windows closed
    8) keep your tank full
    9) don’t use the AC
    10) buy higher octane gas during the summer especially when you find
    it around 3.00 a gallon
    11) car pool
    12) consolidate your errands
    13) park the car in the driveway and walk, don’t buy gas as often it
    will help drive down the demand
    14) do your homework before you buy a hybrid. Theinsurance or other hidden costs have to be considered such as the key replacement for
    the Prius is $800…
    15) keep the air pressure in your tires at the right pressure
    16) change your oil regularly
    17) Car pool
    18) take, yes, take Public Transportation if you are lucky enough to live in a city that has one.
    19) take the mike and the media away from lefty liberals who banned new refineries in CA which has spread across America
    20) write to your Rep, except the folks in Rhode Island, about your displeasure and how you will vote if this gas and refinery nonsense is not resolved
    21) be glad that this is election season–we the people can make a change with our votes
    22) Keep track of your gas mileage by filling up the tank, drive until it is nearly empty, then check the odometer setting.

    Heloise

    More later

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Heloise, When did you start working for David Letterman?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Heloise, I take exception with the following from comment 116.

    Many are quite good, However…
    2. People can’t afford a house in the city.

    10. When I bought my Sebring, I asked that very question and was told it was designed, as most cars are to run on 89 Octane and using a higher octane would have little or no difference.

    13. The difference would be negligible, as the demand is skyrocketing in other markets such as India and China.

    14. No one can afford a Prius anyway.

    17. The same is true of our failed oil baron in chief, who got us into this mess in the first place.

    18. It’s perfectly legal to build more refineries in Texas and Louisana… “Not in Bush’s back yard”

    20. Feebly trying to blame the Liberals when both houses of congress and the white house have been controled by Rebublicans is at best naive, at worst assinine.

    But thank you for contributing to my little forum dear.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    As for Comment 117, I can almost hear Bush stammering through it, completely unaware he’d just made the same speech only moments before in comment 116. He tried to reword it a little to make it sound better, and then repeated it, thinking no one would notice.

  • Bliffle

    Using high octane gas is just a waste of money. It may also be inefficient since octane is usually increased by retarding the flame front to reduce pinging, and that can defeat modern engine tuning.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Bliffle #121, Thanks for that. While her suggestions were helpful, I think it was actually a thinly disguised political statement.

    I heard somewhere that they’re predicting oil at $100 a barrel by the end of summer, but I’m not sure where. I think some commentator on CNN said it.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    From the Miami Herald we have this update on why it’s better to drill in Alaska than in Florida…

    WASHINGTON – Florida lawmakers late Thursday narrowly rebuffed an industry-backed bid in the U.S. House to lift a 25-year-old ban on natural-gas drilling along the U.S. coastline, but warned that other threats remain.

    The 217-to-203 victory came after hours of impassioned debate, including opposition voiced by nearly every member of the Florida delegation, which has long considered offshore energy exploration a threat to the state’s beaches and tourist-dependent economy.

    ”I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of us in Florida and our citizens and our governor do not want offshore oil drilling in Florida,”

    The win came not without effort. Calls to protect Florida’s beaches — ”not just a state treasure but a national treasure,” said Miami Republican Rep. Mario Díaz-Balart — were countered by lawmakers from oil and agricultural states.

    Democrat and Republican, they brushed off Florida fears that drilling would tar the beaches and said the United States needs the energy.

    ”A medium-sized fishing boat would leak more in a year,” suggested Rep. Gene Green, a Texas Democrat, who said his state’s second biggest ”income producer” is its coastal tourism. “You’re acting like Chicken Little. You can’t point to one beach in Texas that has been ruined by oil and gas.”

    Though lifting the prohibition would have been largely symbolic — a separate presidential decree protects the coastline until at least 2012, and President Bush has backed a 100-mile buffer around the state — opponents waged a fierce fight, warning that lifting the historic congressional ban could make it increasingly easier to erode protections.

    ”The drilling advocates will argue that the people, through Congress, have spoken,” said Rep. Lois Capps, a California Democrat who joined the Florida delegation in opposition to the measure. The congressional moratorium, enacted in 1981, protects the Atlantic and Pacific coastlines, along with Alaska’s Bristol Bay and the Gulf of Mexico.

    The House also rejected a last-minute effort to lift the ban on oil drilling. Passage of either measure would have had huge significance in a year when Florida finds itself under increasing pressure to defend its hands-off stance.

    Other proposals, in the Senate and from the Bush administration, would open up at least two-thirds of Lease Sale Area 181, a sprawling, natural gas-rich region of the Gulf. No drilling would be allowed within 100 miles of Florida, but Florida’s two senators are pushing for a wider buffer in a bill that has yet to advance.

    ”This is a tremendous victory for Floridians,” said Rep. Adam Putnam, a Bartow Republican and GOP leader who led the Florida assault.

    Yet Putnam acknowledged that drilling at some distance from the coast may be inevitable.

    ”We recognize our obligations as Floridians, as major energy consumers, that we have an obligation to review our stance,” Putnam said. “But three miles off our coast is unacceptable.”

    The Florida delegation sought to thwart the measure by joining with other coastal states to ask the House to restore the ban, which was stripped off a budget bill a week ago by a key House committee.

    Earlier efforts to lift the ban had been rebuffed, but the push for enhanced energy exploration came amid rising gasoline prices and legislators said constituents were pressuring them to take action.

    ”We are driving the best blue-collar, working-people jobs out of this country because they can’t afford to stay here,” said Rep. John Peterson, the Pennsylvania Republican who has long championed lifting the moratorium. “Energy costs can make a company noncompetitive overnight.”

    But Rep. Clay Shaw, R-Fort Lauderdale, suggested the proposal that would allow rigs just three miles off the Atlantic coast and nine miles off the Gulf was akin to putting oil rigs “on the edge of the Grand Canyon or at the foot of Old Faithful.”

    Peterson suggested most Floridians are now amenable to offshore drilling, but Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite rejected his assertion and urged her fellow lawmakers to call their mothers and grandmothers who have retired to Florida.

    ”I would ask you to pick up the phone and listen to what they say,” the Brooksville Republican said. “How much they love Florida and how much they love the beaches.”

    In other business, the House, by a 252-165 vote, approved a measure that would bar oil companies from receiving new oil leases unless they renegotiate past contracts that allowed them to avoid federal royalty payments even when oil prices soar, The Associated Press reported.

    The measure is aimed at correcting a mistake by the Interior Department that led to oil- and gas-lease contracts being issued in 1998-99 that did not include a suspension of royalty payments if crude prices reached a certain level.

    Since then, prices have soared well beyond that ceiling, but those companies still have been exempted from royalty payments, costing the government as much as $7 billion in lost revenues.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I mean if you can’t trust the Miami Herald, who can you trust?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oil just went to $73 a barrel. Come on Bush, get off your ass and do SOMETHING!

  • Clavos

    This Floridian definitely does NOT want offshore oil drilling down here (NIMBY!!). I’m not worried about tar on the beaches–it’s the view I worry about; look at the TX coastline. Those beaches are one of FL’s economic lifelines.

    Oil just went to $73 a barrel. Come on Bush, get off your ass and do SOMETHING!
    Price controls a la Nixon, maybe? As expensive as it is today, we still pay less for gasoline at the pump than all but a few oil producing countries.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ahhhhh yes Clavos the “Not in MY back yard” mentality

    “This Floridian definitely does NOT want offshore oil drilling down here “

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    My father in law, like most Americans, regularly whines zbout the price of gasoline at the pump.. at present, it is roughly $3.00/gallon. He always tells us to send gasoline.

    This is the essence of one e-mail I sent himn this evening…

    Dear Dad,

    You do not want us to send gasoline – it’s not quite twice as expensive here as it is in the States, but it gets close. I did the math and it came to $4.97 a gallon for gasoline. A lot of folks use diesel fuel instead, which is somewhat cheaper, but which pollutes the air more.

    If you want the formula for figuring out what gas costs here, it works this way.

    Pull up your calculator on the computer;

    Type in 3.76 – this is the conversion rate from liters to gallons – 3.76 liters = 1 gallon.
    Divide that by the exchange rate of the shekel to the dollar – I used 4.5 shekels to the dollar.
    Multiply the resulting number (.835555 etc) by 5.95 – the number of shekels per liter of gasoline.

    The price of diesel fuel is NIS 4.95 per liter.

    I you did the math right, you got $4.136 per gallon…

    Send gas….

    Love,

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Good God Ruvy!!! Could you see the reaction of a package entering the US with an Israeli return address and smelling of gas??????

    OY VAY!!!!!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    And that doesn’t include shipping Ruvy! You’d get your name splashed across everything from CNN to Al Shazera!!!!

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jet,

    If getting my name splashed on everything from CNN to Al Jazeera gets me some serious mazuma (cash), I can deal with it…

    I might even be able to afford that fancy pistol I’ve had my eyes on, seeing that with such “fame”, I’d need it.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I don’t even want to think of what might happen to us if the NSA is monitoring this.

    Ha ha ha ha
    Wait someone just rang my doorbell

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ruvy what are the gun laws like over there, or are you just a collector?

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    The gun laws here are pretty stiff – particularly if you belong to the wrong political party.

    Essentially folks carry a piece because of Arab terror. Yeah there is a mob here, but they don’t necessarily use guns as much as they do bombs, which they seem to prefer. I’ve seen two men get into a fight – both armed – with neither even thinking to reach for his piece. The gun is for defense against the enemy, and everyone seems to understand that.

    You need to establish that you have a solid reason to carry a gun (like living in Judea or Samaria, or near the “seam line”, like I do, or carrying significant amounts of money on your job), and the gun must be carried visibly in a holster everyone can see, and must be on your person at all times except when you sleep and the Sabbath. When the gun is not on your person, it must, along with all of its ammo, be locked away in a secure closet.

    Before you get a license to buy a gun, the Shaba”k, the Security Police, must check you out.

    I’m not a collector. Guns kill. A good solid gun is heavy, and weighs down on the belt.

    If I’m on patrrol, I carry a Beretta 9mm. (a toy except at close range) and an M1 carbine. I wear the M1’s clips on my belt along with the holstered Beretta, the police radio, and a ring for a nice heavy flashlight that doubles as a billy club, and a water bottle. It can get pretty annoying having to pull my pants up from time to time…

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Are you sure you’re not Rambo in Jerusalem?

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    “you sure you’re not Rambo in Jerusalem?”

    ‘Fraid not, kid. You should see the young bucks on salary with their .357’s, the members of the Border patrol, both male and female, who carry M16’s and a load of other stuff, the crazies who form Yasa”m, the Israeli Swat teams. I’m just an old fart who shoots good – and who’d rather not.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Gads Ruvy, sounds like the only thing missing in your town is Festus and Miss Kitty!

  • Clavos

    Ahhhhh yes Clavos the “Not in MY back yard” mentality

    That’s right, Jet, good ole NIMBY.

    On the other hand, the Alaskans are just dying for the tree huggers to let ‘em drill in ANWR, so there’s an elegant solution that will please two states in one fell swoop.

    Egad, it’s brilliant!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Well, I suppose we could try to put a wind farm off the coast of Massechusettes and piss Kennedy off again!

  • Clavos

    Jet, I’ve thought and thought and tried to come up with something funny and clever, but I just can’t–the vision of the senator jousting windmills Quixote-like in his sailboat gets me laughing too hard–you win!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Clavos-To quote Geraldine Johnson “Don’t fight the feeling Baby, don’t fight the feeling!”

    {:^}

  • MAOZ

    #137 Jet, don’t worry. We’ve got assorted Festuses and Miss Kittys here too. (Miss Kitty’s frum and Festus is an ars, nachon, Ruvy?)

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Moaz 145–boy Howdy!!! Thanks for the comment y’all

    Blessings
    Jet

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    As ususal, Jet, MAOZ is right. Kind of like King Friday the Thirteenth…

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Correct as usual, your highness!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    David Letterman:The DaVinci Code took in $77 Million last weekend, it came in 2nd behind a gas station in Queens!

  • bob

    there is no reason we should have to pay $3.14 a gallon in a small town like ironwood michigan…..there are way to many money hungry people in the oil company’s and they should have to pay the highest price possible. also lower michigan says there is a town down there that has the highest avge in michigan….. they are dumb…..

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Bob 147-I’m not sure what you’re getting at here? High gas prices or dumb Michiganites? please elaborate

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Have you notice that the higher that Bush’s approval ratings go the higher gas prices go?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    It just keeps coming back to the contents of this article doesn’t it?

  • Nancy

    Higher? You mean the lower, don’t you? Last I checked, Junior’s ratings hadn’t made it above 35-6, about the lowest of any prez except Hoover during the depression. Oil prices bear no relation to Jr., however: they just keep going up. The oil companies use any excuse these days. Now it’s because they were too busy counting their billions to bother keeping the pipelines up.

    I say it’s time to NATIONALIZE the oil companies. Why are they being allowed to rape the environment & suck the US supplies of oil dry at the expense of the public? The oil belongs to US, not them! NATIONALIZE! And while you’re at it, if you come across an oil exec – kill him.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    No no Nancy, the text of the article. The plot to privatize Iraq’s oil fields and turn control over to the big texas oil companies.

  • Nancy

    Oh. Ok – we can nationalize Iraq, too, while we’re at it. Oh wait…I think Jr. already tried that idea….

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    News Flash-Terrorist plant Brocoli garden at entrance to Bush ranch. GW terrified to exit driveway1!!

  • Clavos

    I say it’s time to NATIONALIZE the oil companies

    Nancy, calm down and take a deep breath. You want to nationalize the oil companies so they can be operated by the same government which is run by all the “congressmaggots” you keep wanting to throw out of office.

    Stop, and think this through: you want the same government which couldn’t pour oil out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel to actually have control of the industry???

    Kidding aside, we actually need oil prices to go higher still, so that alternative, renewable fuels, such as ethanol and hydrogen become competitive in price.

    When that happens, we’ll be able to achieve two important, critical goals: eliminating our dependence on foreign oil, and cleaning up the environment. We also need to reach the point where we no longer burn oil, because among other things, it’s needed for the plastics industry–just think of how much is made in whole or in part out of plastic these days: everything from computers to paints.

  • Nancy

    Well, I would have said we need to cut off all the oil companies’ subsidies & start charging them thru the nose for ‘our’ oil, but I know the scumbags in congress (and especially the scumbag in the white house) would never do it.

    Actually, technology has been around for decades that would have enabled us to get off our oil dependence – but it’s all been bought up by, and locked up tight by … you guessed it: big oil! Why am I not surprised?

    So…even when we finally DO get off of oil, we’re still going to be chained in perpetual serfdom to the oil industry, courtesy of BushCo & congress.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Last I checked, Junior’s ratings hadn’t made it above 35-6, about the lowest of any prez except Hoover during the depression.

    Actually, they weren’t doing approval ratings prior to WW2 and many presidents since then have had lower approval ratings at times than Bush currently had, including Bill Clinton who bottomed out around 27 as I recall.

    Oil prices bear no relation to Jr., however: they just keep going up. The oil companies use any excuse these days. Now it’s because they were too busy counting their billions to bother keeping the pipelines up.

    The oil companies don’t raise oil prices, the market does. Even though the prices go up, that is NOT because oil companies have increased their percentage of profit.

    I say it’s time to NATIONALIZE the oil companies. Why are they being allowed to rape the environment & suck the US supplies of oil dry at the expense of the public?

    Wow, let’s be just live Venezuela and destroy our economy. Brilliant!

    The oil belongs to US, not them! NATIONALIZE! And while you’re at it, if you come across an oil exec – kill him

    No, Nancy. The oil belongs to them. They extract, process, transport and sell it. No one else is equipped or prepared to do that, especially not the government. That would be laughable.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    True Clavos, but everyone making below about $40,000 a year would go broke waiting for the changeover.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave, very good points and I can’t add anything to it. Nationalizing the oil companies would be like putting the inmates in charge of the aslyum.

  • Clavos

    Not necessarily, Jet. There are alternatives, such as carpooling.

    One of the great aspects of a free market is that whenever a need is perceived in the marketplace, someone usually fills it.

    For instance, here in Miami we have a lot of recent immigrants who can’t afford cars, but the Miami-Dade (government) Transit, as in most large American cities, is inadequate. So what happened here? The immigrants themselves came up with a solution from their homelands: jitneys. We have hundreds (maybe even thousands) of people operating mini bus lines using vans. The fares are inexpensive, and they cover the whole city (or at least wherever there’s demand).

    It works.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Trust me on this, If you’ve ever participated in a carpool, it doesn’t work, between the personality clashes, the impatience, critisism of driving skills and arguments over who’s schedule takes priority, it’s a good idea on paper, but is lousy in practice.

  • Clavos

    It might work when there is no other alternative…

  • Maurice

    This is an insane thread with all the colorful charactors.

    Getting back to the article:

    Granted it is an opinion piece I think it should be based in fact. For example:

    “Originally the plan was to invade Iraq and release its huge oil reserves to the world market, plummeting oil prices, and then breaking the back and sabotaging the stranglehold that OPEC has on the world market.”

    Jet, with all due respect how did you arrive at this conclusion?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    It was a different time, and a different political climate. Oil Companies have no alliegence but to themselves.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Exactly right Maurice-it’s an opinion peice. the facts are easily enough researched.

  • Maurice

    Jet

    you are always asking for comments on the article and yet you blow me off when I ask one question about your war for oil assertion.

    I thought we went to war because of WMDs and the need to remove Saddam from power.

    Please provide one fact that you researched that led to you write that sentence.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Please forgive me Maurice, I thought it was a rhetorical question. As for blowing you off…

  • Clavos

    Whoa, Jet!!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Yo Clavos!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    This is starting to sound like a bad “Rocky” movie…

  • Maurice

    I knew blowing me off might not be a good turn of phrase but can we get past that….?

    It is one thing for two people to view the same facts differently but it is another thing to invent an idea just because you have a gut feeling.

    I know you were tired last night when you …er.. dismissed my question but now that you are refreshed how about that one fact.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Okay Maurice, it’s been months since I researched it but here goes…

    From the Middle East Policy Council…

    Post-invasion membership of Iraq in OPEC may well become a sensitive issue. It may appear attractive to the anti-OPEC members of the U.S. administration to weaken the organization by removing Iraq from membership or, in the long run, to “control” Iraqi production to lessen reliance on Saudi Arabia. Neither strategy makes any sense. Saudi Arabia has always been a steadying, fiscally pragmatic influence in OPEC production and price-setting decisions, to the benefit of the United States as the world’s major oil consumer. In addition, there is no reason to suppose that a newly emergent free and democratic Iraq would act other than in its own best interest as a participant in OPEC production and pricing decisions. For example, Iraq would be well aware that if, under pressure from an occupying power, they seek to gain market share at the expense of Saudi Arabia, Aramco could well flood the world oil market, driving down prices and crippling Iraq’s post-invasion humanitarian and economic-recovery program

  • Nancy

    Maurice, you’re ususally pretty savvy about things economic; what ideas might you have about how to put the fear of the people into the oil companies, aka what to do about the endless price gouging here?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Yes Nancy, especially when they claim the profits went back into their infrastructure (read pockets) since Bush took office, instead of into cleaning and maintaining pipelines in Alaska.

    After all, their profits should zoom even higher with that whole field off line.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    It’s becoming obvious that I should’ve written this last monday instead of three months ago. I’m always getting ahead of myself… either that or I’m psychic

    Hmmmmmmmm

  • Clavos

    what to do about the endless price gouging here?

    Nancy, short of nuking China and India out of existence, there’s not a hell of a lot we can do. Their demand is skyrocketing as they develop, and that demand is a major factor in the rising prices. The situation in the Middle East is also a contributing factor. It’s the market forces, (i.e. supply and demand) that are driving the prices up.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Clavos those are market influences, I think Nancy’s refering to big oil taking advantage of it and lining their pockets by charging more because they can get away with charging more…

    Tantum meus sententia
    Jet

  • Clavos

    Yes, Jet, I know they are market influences…and market influences set the prices. That’s precisely my point.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ah, then that’s why all gas stations are at the same price at an intersection, and a mile away their 10 cents higher or in the poorer neighborhoods their 20 cents lower?

    That’s why oil companies continue to report record profits, you know the margin between what they pay the cartel and what they charge the customer?

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Jet, those variations of cost are the result of operating expenses. If they are in a prime location the land costs more in rent or mortgage or property taxes. If they are in a bad neighborhood they have more drive-offs and stick-ups which increases overhead.

    The cheapest gas you can buy around here is at a tiny gas station on a piece of privately owned farmland equidistant from two cities 20 miles out in the middle of nowhere. It never gets robbed, the land is paid for and you have to pay before pumping.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    That explains local profiteering-which is rare, what about the big oil record profits which is rampant?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I think I’m learning a valuable lesson with this string-don’t be disappointed if no one comments right away, it may light up big time months later!!!

    Carus deus, quis have ego commissio?
    Jet

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    The big oil profits have been analyzed extensively, and they didn’t (with a couple of exceptions like exxon) increase their profit margins at all. They were making the same percentage they always have been. The thing is that 6% of $3 a gallon is twice as much as 6% of $1.50 a gallon. So their profits were proportionately higher.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh-that explains it. Now figure out how to explain it to a working mother rolling pennies for gas

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    as for the canard that the prices displayed are in any way controlled locally, ask anyone who owns a franchise station, or has worked for one,l can tell you

    those prices are set by the regional office, who calls you up and tells you what to make them, if you deviate, you can lose your franchise

    just after Katrina , there was an individual who brought this all to light once again , in the MSM, when he bucked the trend and set hsi prices much lower than he was told to

    they stopped selling to him, and eventually pulled his franchise, putting him out of business

    something to think about

    Excelsior?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Gonzo-I used to date a gas station owner/manager. he was given leeway because he had a competing BP station on the other corner and a Certified station down the street.

    When their prices went down, he’d lower his a penny lower, if they went up, he kept his down for about an hour or two, then eased his up to match, but never exceed his competition.

    Working as a former pizza driver, I know for a fact about this.

    I’d go out on a delivery and every single station would be at 2.50.9 come back out and every station wiould be at 2.55.9 up and down the road no matter who owned them

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I think I’m learning a valuable lesson with this string-don’t be disappointed if no one comments right away, it may light up big time months later!!!

    Carus deus, quis have ego commissio?
    Jet

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Okay-Why is it that the moment I posted #187 the string died????????? Oil company conspiracy?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    How much you wanna bet that now that we’re not paying attention, BP reopens that pipeline back up without doing any repairs at all to it or at best very little.

    As it is they’re already running half of it “as is”

    If someone would’ve told me 2 years ago that %2.75 a gallon was a bargain I’d have slapped them right in the mouth!

  • http://www.majesticpublishers.com Dale B. Adams

    Is Our Government To Blame For High Gas Prices?

    Front and center in every form of media is the rising cost of oil and gas. It affects the lifestyles of every American and the costs of all goods and services we use. Many of us are shaking our fists and looking for somebody to blame. Before we start pointing the finger elsewhere maybe we should point it at ourselves.

    To our Governments credit, they realized the problem and have done something about it. They passed federal tax incentives that pay each and every American to make their home and business more energy efficient. Our government passes laws that benefit us financially when they want or need us to take action. Have you made your home more energy efficient and done your part to reduce our dependence on foreign countries?

    I’ll wager you that the percentage of Americans who have made their property more energy efficient and taken advantage of this tax break is very small. If most Americans took this simple inexpensive step (Almost paid in full by our government) we could dramatically reduce our oil consumption.

    There are inexpensive revolutionary new products now available to the public that can slash your prices of both gasoline and your electric bill. Almost all new homes being built now have these energy saving products. Doing their part, our Government continues to raise the energy efficiency requirements for appliances and other items via building codes.

    One of the best ways to slash your electric bill by 20% or more is to install radiant barrier in your attic. It reflects 95% of the heat before it enters your house. It can reduce the temperature in your home by almost 20 degrees. The average cost for a 1200 square foot home would be under $1,000.00. The government tax break allows a $500.00 tax credit. You could see a $400.00 monthly electric bill drop to around $300.00. It could pay for itself within a year and the government pays most of the bill. If every American took advantage of this, it would reduce our consumption and dependence of other nations by millions of barrels of oil. In turn, you would also save energy on fist wagging and the price of gas.

    In America almost 400 Senior Citizens die a year because of heat trauma. If every elder had radiant barrier installed in his or her home and it reduced the temperature by almost 20 degrees inside – I wonder how many lives it would save? I recommend you use the radiant barrier provided by Hy-Tech Thermal Solutions. The only incentive I receive by endorsing this product is the satisfaction of knowing that I provided you with a safe product that works.

    There is a new product called Enviro-Max Plus that is a fuel additive that actually works. When added to your gas tank it will increase your gas mileage by 30%. They claim that for every dollar you spend on their product you will save three dollars in gas. A friend used the additive on his way to Florida and he used two-½ tanks of fuel. On his way home he did not use it and it took 4 tanks of diesel to return home. It almost cut his diesel fuel consumption by half. A simple web search will inform you where to buy it and how to be a reseller to make extra money while helping our nation. I have noticed other copycat companies providing similar products and I would use caution.

    We now have a paint additive available that will reflect 95% of the heat away from your home. It is the same technology used on the space shuttle and jet engines on our airplanes. This ceramic technology has been around since the 1950’s but only recently available to the public thanks to the testing by NASA and Hy-Tech Thermal Solutions. It is the cheapest non-traditional insulation you can buy for your home with the average extra cost of only $120.00.

    By visiting the Department of Energy online you can learn many inexpensive ways to save energy in your home and cut your electric bill by 25%. They also provide testing results of Radiant Barrier from 1991. They should update these test results because radiant barrier products have improved.

    Other ways we can all do our part to protect our nation and environment is by recycling everything, install a solar backup energy supply, only buy from or invest in companies who are environmentally friendly and invest in innovative alternative energy, only install white reflective shingles on our roofs, buy energy star products and appliances, or by giving unwanted items away versus throwing them in the dump.

    We can also blame our media for our lack of knowledge of this new technology. Americans are suspicious of new untraditional products and it takes time for us to accept them. Several salesmen could tell us about them but we won’t adopt them until the mass media informs us. The media should be more problem-solution oriented. They will print information about the new tax laws, but don’t offer information about the new products it covers. When they talk about the high price of gas they should offer us ways to battle this problem with these new products. The media seems more interested in propaganda and the latest new widget versus their responsibility to inform and lead our nation in the right direction.

    We live in the greatest nation on earth. It is a free country that we had the luxury of being born in. For that reason we have the right to remain inactive, wave our fists at and blame our government or corporations all we want. I maintain that the status of our nation and the world requires action from each and every American to do our part to conserve our natural resources. If we don’t – it could very well lead to our demise. America can be defeated by its own citizens, as the Romans.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dale #190 this has to be one of the biggest loads of Bush BULLSHIT I’ve ever read, and I’ve read a lot.

    —–To our Governments credit, they realized the problem and have done something about it. They passed federal tax incentives that pay each and every American to make their home and business more energy efficient.
    The average American family can’t afford to keep their $45 gastanks filled to get back and forth to work without rolling coins. This is a bullshit tax cut for rich landlords. The average family of four can’t afford to put up the $1000 only to get a tax break at the end of the year. They couldn’t afford it if was only $200 even with the tax incentives.

    —-If most Americans took this simple inexpensive step (Almost paid in full by our government) we could dramatically reduce our oil consumption.
    BULLSHIT footing half the $1000+ up-front bill that you mention later, then waiting 8-12 months later when you file your taxes the following year is not almost paid in full

    —Almost all new homes being built now have these energy saving products. Doing their part, our Government continues to raise the energy efficiency requirements for appliances and other items via building codes
    I defy you to show me an average family making under $50,000 a year on two incomes that can afford a new home. As for your “energy saving products” most families are trying to keep the old ones they’ve got going with duct tape, home-repair manuals and prayer and can’t afford new appliances that the upper middle class can.

    Upon reading the rest of your rediculous comment, I can see that not only is this a Bushit commercial, but spam for your line of products trying to convince people that are barely making ends meet to buy something from you on the con game that in the end the government will pay for it

    But I thank you for pissing me off enough to come out of hiding to respond to this, and in outraging me slightly out of the depression I’ve found myself in lately.

    kindest regards
    Jet

  • Nancy

    Doesn’t this kind of sententious drivel make you just want to chew someone’s head off – preferably Dubya’s?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    In a word Nancy, yes, however now that they’re coming down this won’t be an issue till they go back up.

  • http://www.majesticpublishers.com Dale Adams

    Hello Jet,

    No I don’t sell any of those products, just trying to help people out because I know things are tough. Spend 5 minutes watching the video at Enviromax plus and you will be glad you did. You can install radiant barrier yourself for just a few hundred dollars and start saving 25% on your electric bill every month. Tax time is just a few months away.

    If we don’t start conserving we will see our electric bills go higher than our rent. We are the consumers and we are the ones who need to consume less. Our government and corporations can’t do it. We have to take action.

  • http://www.majesticpublishers.com Dale Adams

    Important Tips for Installing Radiant Barrier and the Reasons Why We Should

    Radiant barrier is a relatively new product that consumers are slowly becoming aware of. It consists of a reflective composition placed in your attic that reflects heat before it enters your home. Our government, universities as well as independent laboratories have tested this new energy saving product and it works. People seem to have a hard time believing that their attic can be converted into a giant mirror reflecting heat from underneath their roof. By applying just a coat of paint under the decking surface it will reduce heat transfer and insects by sealing up cracks and crevices.

    Roof temperatures can rise to almost 200 degrees. Attic temperature can be as hot as 140 degrees. This heat creates moisture that falls to your attic floor on your insulation. This causes your insulation not to work properly and lowers the insulation value. Radiant barrier works three-fold by reflecting heat from your home, lowering the temperature in your attic that allows your insulation to work more effectively and this causes your A/C unit to work less. An additional benefit is that you’re A/C ductwork lasts longer because it isn’t exposed to such high temperatures that induce drying and cracking creating air leaks.

    When you are building a home you need to inform your builder that you want radiant barrier installed. They have a plywood decking material available that has a reflective film on the bottom. The average extra cost is only 3 cents a square foot and this is the most cost effective installation of radiant barrier. This installation of radiant barrier should be mandatory and not optional. A builder not using this product shouldn’t be building any home.

    If you have a home without radiant barrier it will be more difficult and expensive to install. You need to use caution when hiring a radiant barrier installer. All products being developed always have copycat companies popping up vying for the market share. Many are inferior products that do not work as well and if not properly installed will not work or last as expected. You also have the option of installing it yourself to eliminate the installation costs.

    There are several companies selling a powdered ceramic substance that you add to paint and they claim and even guarantee will cut your electric bill by 15-20%. These products may work but the only radiant barrier product I will use is provided by Hy-Tech Thermal Solutions. Most installers will want to keep the costs down and they will use an interior paint versus exterior paint that costs less. The climate inside your attic suffers the same temperature extremes as the outside of your home. The paint should also be high gloss that has a more reflective value. You also want to ensure that the paint is a water-based latex versus oil based that will create toxic fumes roaming through your home. If you have oil-based paint installed and your gas appliances are not turned off or an electrical spark occurs it could cause an explosion. Aluminum or silver color paint will provide more reflecting properties than white paint. These are the only two colors to use as a radiant barrier.

    Every American should be aware that we have a shortage of oil, but we have even less natural gas. Most of our electric plants are run by natural gas. Building new nuclear or coal burning electrical plants will take decades to complete. Many people are complaining about the high cost of gasoline but don’t stop to think that their homes use far more electricity than their automobiles. By installing radiant barrier and reducing your electric bill by 30% or more you can do your part to conserve our environment, reduce our dependence on other nations, and help reduce our gas prices at the pump. By running up your electric bill, supply and demand fundamentals dictate that you are also increasing every other Americans electric bill. Besides that our government is offering a $500.00 dollar tax credit to Americans who make their home more energy efficient. Why does our government want us to make our homes more energy efficient? Perhaps they realize that our utility bills could one day be more expensive than our mortgage payments if we don’t start to consume less.

    Many people are having a hard time selling their property due to the housing market slow down. Something they should know is that the underlying factor for all prospective homebuyers is, “How much is it going to cost me?” Many new homebuyers are inquiring about the utility bills of a home prior to buying. Some people don’t even need your permission to get this information. By installing radiant barrier you are adding value to your home and reducing the electric bill, which will help sell your home.

    All in all, radiant barrier is an energy efficient product that works and if you take the precautions above, you will maximize your savings. Americans can assist our nation by making their home more energy efficient. Radiant barrier is the most energy efficient product available for your home.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Attention Mr. Christopher Rose… Is there some way to keep this jetk from repeatedly spamming this string?

    Thanks
    Jet

  • STM

    Jet: I have recently purchased a turbo-diesel station wagon, with enough space in the back to take a dozen surfboards, wetsuits, towels and associated gear, plus the dog, as gas prices in Australia spiral out of control just like in the US.

    Although they are not as pricey as Europe, pump costs hit $A1.50 a litre recently (almost double the price of a year ago) for premium unleaded. My car was costing me at least $80 a week in fuel, and people with big four-wheel drives, V8s, big sixes, utilites (pick-ups) and sporty Japanese and Euro numbers have been forking out the equivalent of a third-world country’s GNP each week.

    This diesel is the latest incarnation from France (I know, but anyway), goes like the clappers once you hit second gear – and I’m only refilling it every three weeks. It’ll do 1200kms (750 miles) to a tank of fuel and is costing me $25 a week to run, with extensive weekday and weekend driving. (one US gallon equals 4.5 litres)

    Diesel engines with particulate filters are also good, green engines … they spew very little crap into the air, and as diesel is a stage down the refining process, it’s planet-friendly in terms of the amount of energy required to produce it. Emission controls are the key, however.

    Only problem is the pricing disparity; here, unlike in Europe, diesel price per litre is on a par with that of premium unleaded petrol, although I’m using a lot less.

    However, I believe it’s a good answer both for the wallet and the environment.

    I must say, I was sceptical prior to the decision to buy it. Now I’m loving it. So’s the planet – and the bank manager.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Wow STM, it must be nice. I used to be that rich. Thanks for your interesting comment. what part of “down under” are you from?

    God, I’m going to miss Steve Irwin.

    Unfortunately most people in the U.S. unless you’re a repbulican, can’t afford an alternate or green vehicle.

    You surf huh? Hmmmmmmm

    Watch out for the sting rays and sharks.

    Of course when I go to the pacific coast it’s the jellyfish I worry about.

    G’day mate
    jet

  • STM

    Honestly mate, I needed a new car as the other was falling to bits – the detailer thought he’d found half the sand from Bondi beach in the back – and was thinking about a locally built Ford Falcon or Holden (GM) wagon, both stylish, big spanking sixes with stacks of space in the back. The ego said: “Buy one … look cool … fang around in a big six … be a fair-dinkum Aussie and support your local car industry.”

    However, the diesel cost a bit less on the purchase price and costs way less to run, so it was, as my daughter explained, a no-brainer. She had to do the maths, though, to convince me.

    I’m in Sydney … still God’s own country, despite our best attempts to ruin it.

    Love your posts by the way … and Dave Nalle’s. Good mix, that!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    My posts and Dave Nalle’s, hmmmm now that’s a fair mix. I’m always pleased to hear that someone likes my output, and I appreciate your encouragement.

    It’s going on 4AM here so I’ll sign off for now.

    Go find my article on “Stop that or you’ll go blind!!!!” it’s important that you read it.

    Jet

  • http://www.majesticpublishers.com Dale Adams

    Hello Jet,

    I apologize if this is considered spam. That is certainly something I wouldn’t want to do.
    Your article concerns high gas prices. I have read your article and the responses. I noticed you clearly stated the problem but you didn’t offer any solution. To me, if I have a problem I want to fix it. Simply blaming others and complaining about it doesn’t make sense to me.

    During grade school I had a revelation. I had met some adults that were bitter, hateful and miserable. They had either lived a very hard life or made a mistake such as divorce that they could never get over. No matter how I tried to help them or brighten their day I realized it was useless. At that time I swore to myself that I never wanted to grow up to be like them. At the age of 42, I have been very successful with this goal. I have achieved this harmony by finding a solution to problems before they overwhelm me.

    Yes, our nation has many problems and to me it seems obvious that we need to do something about it. Writing an article placing blame on another may be informative but what has it accomplished? I’m not trying to rain on your parade. I’m just explaining my actions.

    Although it would be very easy to do, I’m not interested in insulting you. I have never gotten any enjoyment out of demeaning others and hope I never will. What would it accomplish?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dale, My article is about the Bush Administration”s true motives in invading Iraq, and how the oil industry put the brakes to it.

    However
    Even if it were about gasoline prices, giving ad nauseum and EXTREEMLY long articles about and I quote here “There are inexpensive revolutionary new products now available to the public” insulating your home have nothing to do with driving your car, unless your advocating insulating your car.

    Also the fact that your URL goes to an apparent website for Elderly Care facilities and publishing houses instead of a personal blog.

    When someone is spamming you, they’ll usually use a URL of a site that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what they’re writing about.

    Sorry if I somehow got the wrong impression
    especially from comments like “There are inexpensive revolutionary new products now available to the public” that crop up in all of your comments here….

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Has anyone noticed that now that elections season has started the price of cas has fallen a dollar a gallon?

    Okay they used the excuse that they were afraid Iran would shut off their oil for record oil prices…

    They used the Alaskan pipeline corrosion and leakage as an excuse to raise oil to record prices…

    Don’t those conditions still exist?

    No it’s election season, and we nead joy at the pump to believe things are as rosey as the republican encumbants would like us to believe they are.

  • Nancy

    Oh yeah; and just by coincidence, Junior’s approval ratings have gone up to 44%. Honest to god, some people have NO fucking brains at all-!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Hopefully the republican ploy of “give the brat a quarter to shut him up” till after the election won’t work this time

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Having said that Nancy, what are the odds Gas prices will stay low till after the election?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet In Columbus

    Time to buy and stockpile gas while you can, only 5 weeks till election day then the prices go back up!

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    PREDICTION…Despite oil prices and economic slow down, Pump prices will keep falling and the stock market will continue rising…

    Till right after the election…

    Mark my words

  • Nancy

    Yup, they’re getting lower. Y’notice that the more scandal peaks about the GOP, the lower they go? BushCo did this just before 2004 elections, too. Rove stated as much. My question: how can people be so goddamned stupid to vote for a party that is willing to screw them like this?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    It’s a pattern, and I promise the American public falls for it every time…

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Can I get a plausable explanation as to why oil prices are freefalling but gas prices at the pump are only slowly dipping.

    It seems to me that at the instant moment oil prices went up, so did pump prices, so why isn’t to opposite true?

  • STM

    It’s been the same here, Jet … but this week they’ve fallen on the days they usually go (thursday and fridays, just in time for the weekend) after consumer watchdogs and the newspapers began a campaign to shame the bosses of the oil companies – for the very reasons you point out. Big oil isn’t the most honest of corporate heavyweights.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    It’s like we’ve all had to become gasoline “futures” experts. Do we fill up now at $2 a gallon before the price goes back up, or feel like a fool two weeks later because it dropped to $1.75 a gallon?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    By the way, I’m getting really bored with Europeans etc bitching about $5 a gallon. We’re all paying the same basic price per gallon, the difference is how much TAX PER GALLON each government is tacking on to the price.

    We Americans don’t have it easier than anyone else, we just have lower taxes on it.

  • STM

    Yes, the Brits pay about two-and a half times what I pay per litre. I’ve never been able to understand why their fuel taxes are so high.

    However, I drive a diesel, and in Europe it’s a cheap and economical fuel that’s now regarded as green, with all the new emission regulations.

    I pay about 20 cents a litre more (my cost: now around $1.25-30 per litre) here for diesel than the price for ordinary unleaded, yet this country runs on diesel because the distances between centres of population are so vast, so it’s not all tax. What I want the oil companies to tell me is: why am I paying more for a fuel that costs less to refine.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    A year later and it still holds true, who else but Bush could start a war over oil and not get any?

  • methuselah

    Jet: are you suggesting that GWBs entire life is haunted by failure? That he has never succeeded? That his oil company failed? That he has never made a dollar in his life that wasn’t coppered by an over-indulgent father?

    Jet: You’re a very bad person. You should go straight and start celebrating the beauty of the Emperors New Clothes.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    The Emperor is naked, and more and more Americans are seeing that fact methuselah

  • SonnyD

    Jet: Haven’t “seen” you for a while. How goes it?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thank you for asking SonnyD, I’ve shifted my focus to creating nearly 200 topics of discussion on BC Forums-one of the buttons in the upper left hand menu of this page.

    Many things effecting my health and eyesight have happened too, but people are probably really bored with hearing about my “life of Jobe”.

    Thanks again for asking
    Jet

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Re-read this article folks and you’ll see it’s all come true!

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    What I want the oil companies to tell me is: why am I paying more for a fuel that costs less to refine.

    Remember Stan, it wasn’t that way 20 years ago. Diesel was enormously cheaper than unleaded. We’ve had the same problem with inflated diesel prices here. Only in the last few weeks has it changed with gas skyrocketing above diesel again.

    As for the inflated price, I’ve been asusming it was the result of lower demand and more efficient refining technology which leaves less of the dross they turn into diesel. Anyone know if these theories have any validity?

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Unfortunately only the Houston Oil companies know Dave, and they’re to busy counting profits to answer the question.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Here’s another good question for everyone. If we don’t have the refinery capacity to produce enough gasoline now, why are the oil companies pushing for exploration in Alaska and other places?

    Because they would sell the unrefined crude to China and India.

    The obscene profits the oil companies are collecting are supposedly being reserved to build refineries they have NO INTENTION of ever building, and even if they did, it’d be ten or more years down the road before they were on line and predictions are that world oil reserves are getting low enough that they wouldn’t be profitable.

    By then we would’ve worked out an alternative fuel that was affordable anyway.

  • troll

    what difference does it make who gets the crude so long as it gets to a refinery somewhere – ?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Uh, SR, uh do you really believe that crude sent to India or China refineries would come back to the U.S. (if it came back at all) would be cheaper?

  • troll

    Jet – I hate to answer a question with another but:

    do you really believe that crude refined in the US would result in cheaper product at the pump – ?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/clavos Clavos

    Does the American public really care about the price of fuel yet?

    The demand keeps increasing…

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Troll, no as long as Houston owns it, it’ll always be mega-profitable no matter where it’s produced. In fact they’d probably prefer it be produced in China or India.

    That’s why U.S. companies are fleeing our own country in the first place to there…

    cheap labor

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Clavos, from your point of view it probably doesn’t make a difference, but for the poor and people on fixed incomes the increase in gas prices means cutting already tight budgets somewhere else…

    like food.

    Rich republicans and their supportors consider an extra $20 at the pumps chump change, but not the rest of us

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/clavos Clavos

    You missed my point, Jet.

    Actually, since I put over 500 miles a week on my vehicle, it makes great deal of difference to me.

    But, it appears that the American public in general isn’t fazed by rising gas prices: they just keep buying more and more of the stuff. Gas consumption is going up.

    Rapidly.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Clavos, as the economy is hurt by highter pump prices the lower and middle incomes can no longer afford new more fuel efficient cars and instead are forced to buy used less efficient ones, that’s why GM is going out of business and Chrysler is being sold. No one’s buying new cars unless they’re cheap.

    Of course gas consumption’s going up, as the American fleet ages, it’s getting less fuel efficient.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/clavos Clavos

    “Of course gas consumption’s going up, as the American fleet ages, it’s getting less fuel efficient.”

    Not quite, Jet, The American made fleet IS “aging” for the reasons you stated above, but foreign car sales in the USA are continuing, though slowing; Toyota just passed GM as the world’s largest automaker.

    Ironically, SUV sales are also rapidly increasing: Sales of SUVs were up 6% in the first quarter of 2007, compared to 1Q, 2006, and sales in April 2007 were up 25% over April 2006, according to this article in the San Francisco Chronicle, which says in part:

    The bigger the guzzler, the better the numbers. Sales of GMC’s Yukon XL were up a whopping 72 percent last month, and the totals for its Chevrolet sister, the Suburban, rose 38 percent. Topping off the tank on either one can cost as much as $120.

    So far this year, overall car sales are down, but most analysts attribute the slowdown to consumers’ skittishness about perceived loss of equity in their homes as a result of the housing slowdown, and worries about the Iraq war’s effect on the economy, not to rising gas prices. This article in the Chicago Tribune indicates that those who ARE buying cars are choosing larger cars or larger engines:

    As automakers prepare to release their May U.S. sales figures on June 1, some industry analysts say Kaminsky’s decision to get the larger engine is typical consumer behavior.

    If we are to try to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and clean up the environment, gas prices need to go higher yet, because, so far, they’re not discouraging consumption at all.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!! Clavos-the rich and upper middle class are able to afford new cars, but those same people (you apparently included) refuse acknowledge and admit that they are vastly outnumbered by people that can’t afford new cars-toyotas or otherwise… BASICALLY BECAUSE THEY CAN’T AFFORD THE INCREASED AND OUTRAGEIOUS REQUIRED INSURANCE INVOLVED IN FINANCING ONE, much less qualify to get the loan!

    Yes the vast majority of cars are being sold by Toyota

    the vast MAJORITY of Americans can’t afford a new car-much less a cheap Toyota.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/clavos Clavos

    Sorry, Jet, that’s simply not true. Americans are even driving more this holiday weekend:

    “AAA: Memorial Day travel to rise despite higher prices

    “Despite record fuel prices above $3 per gallon, more Americans will travel by car over the Memorial Day holiday weekend than a year ago, according to a survey by travel agency AAA.

    In a sign that energy costs will affect behavior, however, AAA said travelers are planning to stay closer to home and take shorter trips. Travel-related expenses for U.S. households are expected average nearly $600.

    “AAA forecast that 38.3 million Americans will travel 50 miles or more, an increase of 1.7 percent from last year. Roughly 32.1 million travelers — or 84 percent of the total — will drive, up 1.8 percent from last year, AAA said.”

    You’re extrapolating your own unfortunate situation to cover as you say, “the vast majority of Americans”, when both the data and the news don’t support your thesis.

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    Jet, all the lower middle class and poor people around here are driving brand new dodge pickup trucks, including the illegals. For months we had Dodge RAM1500 entry level trucks selling at below dealer invoice. You could buy one for $9500. At that price – saving about $5000 you can make up pretty easily for the additional gas you’re going to buy at a higher price. For that matter, the low price of the pickup more than offsets the higher price of a more fuel efficient car.

    Do the math. The average car owner owns his car for 3 years before trading it in and averages 15,000 miles a year.

    In a 36mpg car that’s about 1300 gallons of gas over the time he has the car. In a 18mpg truck like the Dodge RAM that’s about 2600 gallons of gas over that same time. To make up for the money saved by buying a $9000 truck instead of a fuel-efficient $18,000 car the gas price would have to increase by something like $7 a gallon.

    So the point is that a $1 increase in the gas price is meaningless whenm cars are cheaper. You buy the cheaper car and use the money you saved to cover your gas for the next 3 or 5 years.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    You’re right Clavos, that’s why home sales and prices are taking a nosedive because the average american can’t afford one any more.

    That’s why the three major American car makers are losing billions a year because the average American can’t afford a new car.

    That’s why more and more Americans are defaulting on home, student and creditcard loans in record numbers, because the average American no longer has any room in their budget after paying inflated prices for gas at the pump, which caused higher prices on the shelf because of higher trucking costs.

    Just because no one you know isn’t struggling, doesn’t mean they’re not out there.

    As for the news backing up your figures as opposed to mine, hey you can find any source to back any situation from Lou Dobbs to Rush Limbaugh…

    That doesn’t make the argument valid.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    1. Dave first you have to qualify for the loan
    2. You have to be able to afford the elevated insurance to cover the vehicle while it’s being financed
    3. You have to be an illegal alien with undocumented income in order to afford the payments/insurance.

    Not everyone lives in Texas

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/clavos Clavos

    You’re right Clavos, that’s why home sales and prices are taking a nosedive because the average american can’t afford one any more.

    Home sales HAVE slowed down, yes, but hardly nosedived, and prices have BARELY slid in most non-depressed areas (less than 20%, on average). Even where they have slid that’s a GOOD thing, because it makes more homes affordable for more people. Most people’s homes (unless they bought at the market peak – a minority of homeowners), have not been hurt,(a) because they’re not selling, or (b) because their homes are still worth more than they paid for them. And, the slowdown is already showing signs of ending in many areas.

    That’s why the three major American car makers are losing billions a year because the average American can’t afford a new car.

    The American car companies are losing billions because they’re VERY badly managed, and because their cars are PERCEIVED by the public to be inferior to Asian imports, which was true until recently. Unfortunately for the Big Three, the perception lingers.

    That’s why more and more Americans are defaulting on home, student and creditcard loans in record numbers.

    Most of the loan defaults are in the so-called “sub prime” category, and are due primarily to unscrupulous lenders granting loans to unqualified borrowers over the past few years.

    As for credit cards, this WaPo article says, in part:

    Consumers today can’t get enough of their credit cards, slapping them down with a passion to pay for everything from fast food to plane tickets at a rate of 10,000 transactions a second worldwide. (emphasis added)

    As for the news backing up your figures as opposed to mine, hey you can find any source to back any situation from Lou Dobbs to Rush Limbaugh…

    Both Dobbs and Limbaugh are broadcasting opinion, not news. As you know, there’s a vast difference, and the articles I’m citing and linking are news articles.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Most day that the CBS Evening News, and CNN are broadcasting opinion. Most would say The Washington post and the New York Times are printing opinions

    It all depends on your perception, and who you’re trying to convince all is rosey, worm and cozy.

    Please don’t quote government figures, they’re the same guys who asserted there were WMDs in Iraq, and can’t make up their minds when we’ll know if Bush’s fourth failed “Surge” is a success or not.

    I wonder what people think of the article being prophetic one year later?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/clavos Clavos

    “Most day that the CBS Evening News, and CNN are broadcasting opinion. Most would say The Washington post and the New York Times are printing opinions…

    “Please don’t quote government figures, they’re the same guys who asserted there were WMDs in Iraq, and can’t make up their minds when we’ll know if Bush’s fourth failed “Surge” is a success or not.”

    That may well be true; at least in part. But ANY of those sources is more reliable than anecdotal, word-of-mouth evidence, and certainly more reliable than people like Dobbs and Limbaugh (neither of whom I listen to, BTW).

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/clavos Clavos

    And BTW, Jet:

    What are the sources for your assertions above?

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    From the Associated Press-as printed in the Fort Worth Texas Star…

    The Associated Press
    NEW YORK — The pain of higher gasoline prices is starting to drag down other sectors of the economy as consumers are forced to divert cash to their gas tanks, according to new reports.

    A zero-sum game

    The rise in gasoline prices — AAA said the nationwide average reached a record $3.209 a gallon Monday — is forcing decisions on consumers. Limited cash available in their wallets is being siphoned off at the pump at the expense of other sectors of the economy. Gasoline prices are up 11 percent from a year ago.

    Retail taking a hit

    The International Council of Shopping Centers-UBS index reported Tuesday that its same-store sales fell 1.5 percent for the week ended Saturday, compared with the week before. Same-store sales are sales at stores open least a year and are considered a key indicator of a retailer’s health. ICSC and UBS take a separate survey to assess the effect of gasoline prices on discretionary spending. Michael Niemira, chief economist for the ICSC, noted that the latest survey, conducted May 17-20, found the highest percentage of consumers since October 2005 saying they have cut back on discretionary spending. That was in the wake of Hurricanes Rita and Katrina, which cut sharply into gasoline supplies and sent prices soaring.

    The effect at 3 chains

    Zale Corp. on Tuesday blamed its loss in its fiscal third quarter in part on higher gasoline prices that left middle-class consumers with less cash to spend.

    Target Corp., which appeals to a broader customer base with cheap-chic merchandise, is rebounding from a weak performance in April.

    Last week, Lee Scott, chief executive of Wal-Mart Stores, warned that second-quarter profit could fall short of Wall Street expectations. The retailer reported its worst ever same-store sales performance for April, blaming it in part on rising gasoline prices.

    ’nuff said

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    1. Dave first you have to qualify for the loan

    Or just pay at a slightly higher rate. No money down, no credit check, 9% interest.

    2. You have to be able to afford the elevated insurance to cover the vehicle while it’s being financed

    Well yes, but that isn’t exactly new and applies to any car you buy.

    3. You have to be an illegal alien with undocumented income in order to afford the payments/insurance.

    Actually, they just pool the family pay for a couple of weeks and buy it with cash.

    Not everyone lives in Texas

    As things are going around here pretty soon everyone will live here.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave, unless you pay cash for a junker for a couple of hundred because that’s all you can afford to buy, and because you only have to have cheap liability on it instead of bank-dictated full coverage for as long as you hold the loan.

    That must be some high wall you have around your house that you can’t see over!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/clavos Clavos

    @#243:

    No, Not “’nuff said.”

    You’re citing from the MSM; the very source which, in #240, you dismissed as being unreliable because they’re “printing opinions.”

    The data you cite are very short term, hence not indicative of any trends: week-to-week results (International Council of Shopping Centers data), month-over-month data (wal-Mart) and quarterly results (Zale, which is a jewelry chain selling luxury goods) are not definitive for anything more than the short term, because everything from the weather to what sports are on TV affect short term retail sales.

    Ya can’t have it both ways, Jet.

    Either we’re to believe the MSM news accounts and Government figures or not, your choice. But you can’t shoot down my figures on that basis and then refute them with figures from the same kinds of sources.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I quote your source-you disagree
    I quote my source you disagree
    An people wonder why I’m gay!

    sigh

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thanks for the conversation-I’ve got to get off here and figure out how to meet next month’s bills without robbing a bank.

    I’ll be getting some new ones in too, as I have laser eye surgery june 6 (my 11th in a year) another injection in both eyes, and no way to pay for them.

    Right now I’m blind in my right eye (how appropriate?) until the surgery. The membrane that holds the internal gell detached and if it doesn’t disolve, they’ll have to surgically remove it, possibly leaving me permanently blind in that eye… and the laser is for the left eye.

    You may not hear from me for a while.

    Thanks again for the conversation
    Jet

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Considering this article is a year and a half old, maybe I should become a sooth-sayer?

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Four bucks a gallon by this summer. Now that’s what I call a crystal ball!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    My god-here in Columbus it’s up to $4.89 a gallon!

    Don’t get too hopeful, if the oil companies get their way the oil in ANWAR will be sold directly to China and India at a huge profit.

  • bliffle

    Yes, any oil from ANWAR goes into the global oil pool available to the highest bidder. If we tried to sequester the ANWAR oil for USA use it would be useless, at the best, and start international oil wars at the worst. Better we should leave ANWAR untapped so that the benefit of the ecological land use would accrue to the USA wholly, with visitors paying a charge.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Gas topped $4.00 a gallon in Columbus Ohio today

  • bliffle

    An oil co. exec was complaining that congress stopped exploitation of ANWAR, but it would be unwise of the USA to release ANWAR crude to the world market when we would only get a small fraction back as fuel. Most of the benefit would go to China, Europe, etc.

    In general it’s poor economics to sell cheap raw materials to manufacturing countries and then buy finished product back at high prices. It only takes a few moments of thought to understand that. In fact, the success of colonialism in enriching manufacturing countries was based on this principle. Of course it exhausts the victim of colonialism and leaves them broke.

    Why would we voluntarily choose to be looted by economic colonialism?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    The answer Blif is that Bush is trying to make as much money for the oil companies as he can before leaving office.

    He knows theos stimulous checks are going to go right into our gas tanks. He’s pushing to get off shore drilling off ov California to punnish them for not voting for him, and the rush is on to drill off of Massechutes instead of the originally pland wind farm.

    quid pro quo…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Have you ever noticed that food/grocery prices go up at the beginning of the month? It’s because the stores know the food stamp and welfare checks come out, and they raise prices to cash in as much as possible.

    Same with the oil companies. They know we’re getting extra money, so they raise gas prices to cash in while they can.

    Trust me Bush will find a way to get ANWAR open before he leaves office…

  • Ruvy

    Jet,

    Gas here is NIS 7.00 per liter. A gallon is about 3.75 liters. NIS 7.00 is $2.10 So let’s do the math.

    2.1*3.75=$7.85 a gallon. Now let’s do a little more math. The average tank takes about 40 liters, so it costs NIS 280 to fill up the tank; the average monthly income here is NIS 8,000. Filling up a tank costs 4.2*NIS 280 or NIS 1,176 – over $330 a month on an income of $2,400 a month.

    You were saying, again?

  • bliffle

    I’m afraid that you may be right, Jet. Bush may try to initiate as many longterm commitments as possible before he leaves and hang the horse collar on the next guys neck. I’m concerned that he’ll invade Iran because then we have a hard time backing out or making a better judgement.

  • bliffle

    As an example of the energy problems we have, consider this: (you can hear the NPR report here: NPR scam report)

    Apparently there is a subsidy for diesel soy oil wherein the merchant gets a juicy tax credit if even one drop of soy oil is in a tanker load. Thus, tankers are being sent to the US to get that drop and then they are sent to Europe. Even though that subsidy was intended for the USA customers.

    So European customers are being subsidized (for billions of dollars) by US taxpayers, you and me.

    One might suppose that this is just an oversight, some kind of mistake. But It may also be that this was done purposely, by the people who actually write these laws, the lobbyists. It’s quite common for congressmen to assign the writing task to the same lobbyists who have been lobbying them: after all, they know so much about the material!

    So why shouldn’t a lobbyist crank in language that subsidizes something he represents, regardless of how goofy it is or how much it hurts the interests of Americans? One has a hard time maintaining that it’s just a mistake and could have gone another way, because these guys never never never make a mistake that harms THEIR customers.

    And their mistakes are above the law. There is no punishment. The legislative bill appears over the signature of a congressman.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    You know what Ruvy, I feel sorry that you have to pay that, but I have no pity. The price per gallon is the same worldwide, it’s how much tax that your government put on it per gallon/litre that makes a difference. So if someone here says “you got a lot of nerve complaining” I shrug it off because the difference is taxes not what they’re being charged per gallon.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    You know what Blff, I wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP intentionally didn’t blow the last election so that when all the shit they’ve pulled in the last 12 years comes to fruition, and it’s all blamed on the Dems.

  • Surfer

    Jet: “The price per gallon is the same worldwide, it’s how much tax that your government put on it per gallon/litre”.

    That’s not true Jet. The retail price depends where you are in the world.

    Ie, The price in Australia, which is marginally higher than in the US but lower than Europe, is dictated by the Singapore price. The price of regular unledade in ranging from $1.30 a litre up to $1.45. Diesel prices have gone up from about $140 a lite a year ago to $1.80. That’s opportunism on the part of the oil companies, not excises.

    Also, the government excise here has nothing to do with the price fluctuating daily, sometimes by as much as 15c a litre.

    It’s not as simple as you paint it. There’s a fair bit of opportunisim by the oil companies.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Surfer, see the chart on page 2…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Surfer, click my URL, you might like to see the “Americanized” British Triumphs I’ve owned…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Re: gas taxes worldwide-Most European countries long ago chose to heavily tax gasoline, partly to encourage use of public transportation. The British government, for example, charges a $3.77-a-gallon fuel duty and a 17.5 percent consumption tax on top of that — the highest levels in Europe.

    By contrast, U.S. drivers pay an average combined federal and state tax of about 47 cents on a gallon of unleaded and 53.6 cents on a gallon of diesel, according to API, a U.S. trade association.

    The current pricing crisis, which has pushed crude oil above $135 a barrel, is pushing even more Europeans out of their cars. The Automobile Association said a recent survey found that 37 percent of its members were using their cars less because of fuel prices.

    The washington Post

  • Ruvy

    Jet,

    You know what Ruvy, I feel sorry that you have to pay that, but I have no pity.

    Thanks for the sympathy – I’ll see if I can find any tea to take with it…. Truth is, I don’t have a car. I don’t drive here. My blood pressure would be through the roof if I did. I hitch rides or pay the bus. And I don’t pull in $2,400 a month. But that is the mean or median income here.

    The funny part about prices for stuff here (including gasoline) is that many prices have not risen that much in shekels, but the things that have are staples, like bread and milk. The fancy imported Tasters’ Choice I buy was NIS 27 in 2001-2, and now it is NIS 30. The Kellogg’s Cornflakes I like to buy (the Israeli stuff is cheaper, but don’t taste anywhere near as good) were NIS 18 in 2001-2 and now go for NIS 20.

    But a loaf of bread was NIS 2.65 in 2001-2 and now goes for NIS 4.30 (and is more expensive out here); the liter bags of milk were NIS 3.20 in 2001-2 and go for almost NIS 5 now.

    Poor folks who depend on these staples are really getting hit in the short hairs.

    But here is the killer. In 2002, the shekel was worth about 21 cents. Now it is worth 30½ cents.

    Now let’s look at them shekel prices again against the dollar equivalents. Kellogg’s Cornflakes cost approximately $3.78 in 2002. Now they cost $6.10.
    Tasters’ Choice cost $5.67 in 2002 – now they cost
    $9.15. Now, let’s look at that loaf of bread: in 2002 it cost 55½ cents. Now that same loaf costs over $1.31

    Damn, it’s a good thing I don’t have to count my prices in dollars or get paid in dollars! I’d be blowing a fuse!!

  • peter

    Bush is to blame for everything from 9-11 to gas prices its all big business.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    By that Peter, I assume that you didn’t actually read the article; did you?

  • bliffle

    Bush is to blame. Clinton is to blame. So is Bush1, Reagan, Jimmy Carter. they’re all to blame. In 1973-4 we had a wakeup call from OPEC and successive administrations have failed to respond. Partly, they were bludgeoned into submission by the Oil Company oligopoly, and partly by the usual reactionary lunkheads who defend oil companies. Well, they had their way. Forward-going technologies were de-subsidized and undermined, and now, lo!, we have huge new subsidies for Big Oil, the financiers of the POTUS and VP and many others.

    And you wonder?!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Obviously as feul economy goes up and we buy less, the oil companies will keep pace with prices to maintain their profit level at what it is now.

    As the rich can only afford the new fuel efficient cars, the brunt of their greed will be vorne on those that can least afford it. They’ll be driving their 2012 Chrysler Titewad FE-1000s while the rest of us drive our rusting out 1995 Cameros and Firebirds, because of the credit crunch, and paying $14 a gallon.

  • Clavos

    They won’t have to, Jet.

    Even as our demand goes down (and it dropped 2% last month), China’s and India’s demand is skyrocketing and is price inelastic, because those economies are growing so quickly. They will need the oil at any price and will gladly pay whatever they must.

    The oil companies will have no trouble keeping their profits up until the oil runs out, by which time they will be the principal purveyors of whatever alternates we have come up with.

    You can be sure that they will not go out of business any more than the tobacco companies, which have turned to food supply to make up the loss of tobacco sales, and are doing even better than they did when they only sold cigarettes.

    The oil companies are already spending enormous amounts of money on alternate energy R & D; they will still be in business long after the oil runs out, which won’t happen for quite a while yet.

    And, in the final analysis, the oil companies have far less control of prices than the owners of the oil, who are the real devils in the equation.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Ah yes, the curious tendency of large organizations to self-perpetuate, even after their original reason for being no longer exists.

    Famous case in point: the March of Dimes, which started out as a polio charity. Did they close down when polio was eradicated? Nope. They diversified.

    Prominent article in USA Today today (excuse me) about how use of public transportation services in the US has skyrocketed since the price of gas started doing likewise at the start of the year.

    Ironically, since electrification is a rarity away from the east coast, most of these passengers are riding buses and trains powered by…

    …Yep!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    There was talk of an electric trolly running about four miles from Ohio State University to Downtown Columbus a couple of months ago, but the city can’t afford it.

    Ironically they’ve begun cutting back bus routes because they can’t affort to run them.

    Gee, I wonder where all the oil in Iraq is going?
    Probably into storage for the the price goes higher by GWs oil pals, so he’ll have retirement money.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I don’t know about you guys, but I’m running out right now and filling my gast tank before the price goes through the roof.

    Nowadays you have to be an expert in gasoline futures to survive!

    Just a few days ago they all said hold off, the price is heading down!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Okay; so I can’t type-this whole situation is giving me gas… and not the good kind either!

    Prices will stay up-because if they don’t all those speculator that are causing this crisis are going to lose millions!

    *&(_$##

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Am I the only one that’s figured out that if we do succeed in drilling in AMWR and the Atlantic and Pacific coasts, that in retaliation OPEC will shut off our supplies like they did in the 70s, and our oil prices will be higher-not lower?

  • Dan Miller

    Jet,

    Let’s assume that you are correct. Are you suggesting that we should, therefore, remain in a hostage situation indefinitely? That seems to me to be the thrust of your comment. If so, perhaps there are other things we should do to avoid irritating them: how about repealing the First Amendment and criminalizing all unkind references to the members of OPEC; conceding that the prohibitions on the practice of Christianity, as in many of the OPEC nations, is a good idea and adopting similar prohibitions in the U.S. I am confident that there is much that we can do to keep them happy and willing suppliers of oil.

    Dan

  • Clavos

    Well said, Dan…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh Dan, Oh Clavos… I’m shaking my head because I know you’re serious. Can you honestly say in you’re heart of hearts that when we bring up oil from both shores and Alaska that the oil companies aren’t going to sell it to the highest bidders in China and India????? and let’s assume it does stay in this country, do you really believe that it’ll be sold below world market prices to us to bring down the price of gas at the pump????

    As it stands we don’t have the refinery capacity to handle the crude we import/hoarde now, what will they do with that extra crude you want them to pump? That’s why gas prices skyrocket every time an existing refinery has a mishap. They’d have to export it to be refined which would bring the price right back up to where it is right now… or even higher.

    Then there’s exploration costs, the time it’d take to get rigs up and running-that’s assuming there are no Exxon Valdiz style misshaps. Just how long do you think we’ll have to wait? years? decades?

    Houston Texas has only one god… Profit. If it meant billions in profits they’d sell that oil right out from under us in the time it takes to pump a dollar’s worth of gas into our tanks AND YOU KNOW IT.

    Give me a break, you two have been stand-up oil company shills for two long at this site to be credible… time to wake up and smell the coffee people! How much oil stock to you own?

  • Dan Miller

    Jet,

    Sorry, but I do not now nor have I ever owned any stock in an oil company or related industry. I rather wish I had.

    Dan

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Beautiful attempt at avoiding the questions I raised… just beautiful, though not unexpected.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I jut got a call five minutes ago that Chrysler won’t approve my loan to buy the car I’ve been leasing for five years and never missed or been late with a payment for.

    I have to rush to the bank to make my final lease payment which was due today, but I tore up my lease papers because Chrysler said I’d been approved and I put a $1000 down on it, so I have to rush before the bank closes.

    you win by default…]
    or at least till I get back home.

  • bliffle

    Drilling ANWR and offshore is foolish. The yield is low and the oil will go into the international market so the USA will get only a fraction of the oil it produces. That will only be good for the international oil companies and the international hedge fund operators.

    Mining resources is a losing third-world economic strategy. It reduces a nation to colonial economics. You export your raw materials cheap and re-import them as expensive finished products. Very stupid.

    Drilling USA oil will enrich foreigners for a short while and result in ecological damage to the USA for a very long time. Long after every dollar has been wrung from those oil wells, that leak spoilage constantly, we will be blighted by oil wells that operate at the behest of foreigners.

    We will also be blighted by the residue of anti-american political/industrial exploitation systems.

    What could be more stupid?

    It is only a political ploy, that friends of oil suppliers (think Bush, think Cheney, think Prince Abdullah, think Republicans) come forward with when this emergency presents itself. An emergency which is of their own creation since it is they who have created the conditions that lead to this emergency. It’s a form of “Crisis Capitalism’, that creates a crisis that they claim to have a solution for.

    The only solution for the USA is to reduce consumption. That will require R&D investment and venture capital for alternate energy startup costs. And a rigorous opposition to the undermining influences of the existing oil oligopoly.

  • Clavos

    I don’t believe that either of us said the prices would go lower if we drill for and start using our own oil. What WILL happen is we will no longer be sending trillions of dollars to Chavez and the sheikhs. It’s easy enough to tell the oil companies they must sell all US drilled oil only to the US.

    However, the presence of considerably more product on the market will, inevitably, cause the world price to decrease, even if all US oil is sold only in the US, because we will no longer be buying on the world market, so they will have a greater supply, relative to demand.

    All of this has been explained to you a number of times by several different people, Jet. By now, you should understand it.

    And, since I invest to make money, yes, I do have oil company stocks; also pharmas, defense, medical stocks, tech stocks, and even Chinese and other foreign stocks; in short, the ones likely to make me money.

  • bliffle

    We’ll still send them trillions, reduced by a few hundreds for the raw crude.

  • Clavos

    “We’ll still send them trillions, reduced by a few hundreds for the raw crude.”

    Oh.

    Well, in that case, as Dan said, let’s not do anything.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Clavos, repeatedly trying to shove big oil’s bullshit down my throat DOES NOT make it true.. and AND YOU KNOW IT so your can stuff your condescending attitude. I’m showing you as much goddamned respect as you show me.

    Drilling off our shores will go towards the additonal strain on reserves as China and India’s ever-increasing demand goes unchecked skyward-which means it won’t effect world prices downward at all AND YOU KNOW IT

    How dare I speak to you in such a tone? Get your self-righteous ass off of your pedestal/throne in that half-million dollar boat of yours, and look at life like the rest of us. This crisis has only one winner-your prescious dividends.

    There’s only two classes in the country (and you like it that way)-the haves and the have nots. This siguation has completely destroyed what was left of the middle class.

    With the middle-east’s increasing demand going unchecksed and unregulated, the price of oil will go steadily higher, and the oil companies will put the US’s oil where it’ll make them the most money which is not in the U.S.-even though we’re subsidizing their bottom line with Bush tax breaks putting BILLIONS in their pockets AND YOU KNOW IT.

    Drilling in ANWR will do NOTHING to help the American taxpayers in the short term or the long run AND YOU KNOW IT because big oil’s bottom line is the only thing they care about.

    Go ahead tell me I’m wrong again. You aren’t convincing very many people AND YOU KNOW IT.

  • Clavos

    Jet,

    You’ve repeatedly demonstrated on these boards that you have literally no understanding of how oil (or any other commodity) is priced, so, I’m through trying to explain it to you; you’re too full of yourself to listen and it’s an exercise in futility.

    This, however says it all:

    “With the middle-east’s increasing demand going unchecksed and unregulated, the price of oil will go steadily higher,…”

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ah yes, the belittling move-came right up to the net on that one.

    With their unchecked hunger for oil, and oil being in short demand, drilling on the continental shelf isn’t going to do a damend bit of good except to put money in your pocket.

  • bliffle

    Clavos is living in a dream world if he thinks this can be done:

    “It’s easy enough to tell the oil companies they must sell all US drilled oil only to the US.”

    Not easy. Expect to get laughed at if you demand this. What compulsion could you possibly hold against an Oil Company? None. The OilCos GIVE orders to government, they don’t take them.

    Free international trade is based on preventing exactly this sort of nationalistic favoritism. If you even attempted this the WTO, meeting in Brussels, would slap on broad tariffs against US goods. We actually signed up to forfeit US national sovereignty to the dream of Free Trade.

    And even if the US were to pull out of WTO and sequester offshore oil, we still would have such a big oil deficit that foreign providers would simply reduce their US allocations by what we sequestered.

    After all the bluff and bluster we’d be right back where we started. Except, of course, we would have alienated a new bunch of people and wasted a lot of money. Sort of like the Iraq Invasion.

  • Clavos

    Threaten to stop their subsidies? Naah, wouldn’t work, they’re our bosses.

    You’re right, bliffster, it would be difficult.

    So let’s not do anything; in fact, why don’t we stop demanding oil from the oil companies and arabs in exchange for our money? Let’s just give them the money and do without oil altogether…

    Let them sell it to the Chinese;they’re still trying to build their economy, we just want to destroy ours; they need it more than we do.

    They’re more deserving, too.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Has anyone thought to consider the subject of this article-The Iraqi Oil reserves could wipe out the oil shortage, and do it instantly without having to wait years for Big Oil to start producing crude, after which they’d renneg on any promises they made.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Answer me this-what about all those petroleum reserves under Iraq’s soil that we’re supposed to be in control of?

    Did we really conquer Iraq, or are we just pretending?

  • Clavos

    1. No, we did not conquer Iraq, nor was that ever our intention. We deposed a despotic dictator, then helped the Iraqis set up their fledgling democratic government. Currently, we are defending that government against insurgents and invaders from other countries (Iran) who are trying to topple it and put themselves in power.

    2. We do not, nor have we ever, controlled the Iraqi oil. We said from the beginning that that was not our intention, and we’ve lived up to that promise. The Iraqis control the oil, decide who they’ll sell it to, and receive all the revenue.

  • Dan Miller

    HOLD THE PRESS. THIS JUST IN.

    Amid the world’s rising concern for increasing global warming and soaring oil prices, companies are rapidly shifting to bank on alternative energy sources. Similarly, one of the items on the agenda of the International Whaling Commission is to develop ‘whalanol’.

    The answer to the fuel crisis is therefore before our very eyes: Not only could we exploit our massive offshore oil reserves, we could construct whale traps between the oil platforms to catch whales, harvest them, and use their abundant blubber as fuel.

    Question: what about the polar bears in the ANWR? Although I am not aware of any scientific studies on the usability of polar bear blubber for fuel, I just bet it is possible.

    Maybe we could even bypass offshore drilling and exploitation of the limited oil reserves in ANWR altogether, and create whale and polar bear breeding facilities — a very environmentally friendly thing to do. Under the antitrust laws, the wicked oil companies could be barred from these activities.

    Surely these are possibilities to be considered.

    Dan

  • Jordan Richardson

    We seem rather delusional.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    No Jordan, they’re just republicans, you have to make allowances for that… and I do.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    The research has been done, Dan. You can, in fact, manufacture a workable biodiesel from any form of animal fat, so while Whalenol might be impractical, the production of both Whalediesel and fuel quality Methane from whales or polar bears or excess people is certainly possible. Not on a scale to make any difference in world fuel supplies, but it might be fun trying.

    Dave

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thank you Dave. Willie Nelson actually uses recovered fryer fat from McDonalds in his tour bus.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Now we know why there are so many obese people in the world; it is a secret conspiracy to replace big oil with big fat!

  • Clavos

    They can have all of mine!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I’m sure Willie Nelson would be thrilled at the offer…

  • Dan Miller

    My dear wife, gentle soul that she is, saw my comment #295 and was horrified at the thought of harvesting blubber from whales or polar bears for use as fuel by our excessively consumption-oriented society. We have both seen whales cavorting at sea; they are beautiful, playful and intelligent creatures. She suggested an alternative which, I believe, has even more merit.

    Just over sixty-six percent of the U.S. population over twenty years of age is overweight or obese; nearly thirty three percent is actually obese. This is a grave national problem, and it is getting worse. Although obesity is a major cause of serious health problems, very little is being done to combat this scourge.

    Liposuction, also known as the blubber-suck procedure, is one solution to these problems, but it is expensive.

    My dear, gentle wife and I propose that carbon credits be made available to defer one hundred percent of all liposuction costs on a nation wide basis, and that the resultant blubber production be used to enhance domestic fuel supplies. With our large and growing blubber enhanced population, our fuel supplies could be very substantially augmented: With a population of more than 330,000,000 and growing, the amount of human blubber potentially to be harvested exceeds five hundred million pounds. And this is a renewable resource!

    This novel use of carbon credits would be highly worthwhile, since it would dramatically enhance our domestic fuel sources. It would indirectly reduce many costs: the airline industry alone would experience reduced costs since it costs more to transport obese passengers than others. Countless additional benefits would also result, without in any way damaging the environment while, at the same time, promoting to a degree heretofore undreamed of the wellness of our population. It should obviously be a major part of any universal health care program offered to the country. Contrary to the cynical suggestion of Mr. Rose in his comment #300, such a plan would in no way benefit “big oil;” indeed, it would provide a weighty alternative to big oil, while greatly benefiting big people.

    Dan

  • Clavos

    Dan,

    You sir (and your dear, gentle wife) are brilliant!!

    In one master stroke you have solved our fuel problems, our economic problems AND ensured the preservation, in perpetuity, of that pristeen, all-important habitat of Alces americanus, allowing them to frolic blissfully forever.

    Genius, I say!

    Worthy of the Nobel Prize!

    The eternal gratitude of all the meese in ANWR belongs to your dear, gentle wife; I have been charged by the moose-in-chief to convey this message to you.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    The fly in the ointment is that airliners use kerosene not diesel, and can’t be converted to such.

    Actually the first diesel engines were designed by the inventor to burn peanut oil.

    Jimmy Carter would’ve made a fortune.

  • Dan Miller

    Jet,

    The blubber-suck product does not need to be converted into kerosene. The idea is to get fat (and therefore heavy) people to shed some of their blubber and therefore to become less heavy. My rudimentary knowledge of aviation (the FAA once made the incredible mistake of certifying me as a commercial pilot with instrument and multiengine ratings) suggests that it costs more to transport heavy stuff than light stuff. I understand that some demented airlines are even discussing the possibility of weighing passengers, thereby completing the worthy process of treating them like freight.

    There may even be higher and better uses of the blubber-suck product than for fuel. Perhaps somewhere out there a chemist lurks, qualified to respond to this very serious question.

    Dan

  • Clavos

    “I understand that some demented airlines are even discussing the possibility of weighing passengers,…”

    When I first started in the commercial aviation biz, lo those many years ago, I did weight and balance (calculated it for Wilbur and Orville’s flight, too) for a now-defunct subsidiary of British Airways named Bahamas Airways; we flew DC3s and Vickers Viscounts (noisiest airplane ever made-it’s a wonder I have any hearing left), and though we stopped short of actually weighing all the pax, we did have arbitrary weights for each type: adult males, juvenile females, infants, etc., for the purposes of calculating the aircraft’s weight/balance index.

    Loved that job; should have stayed in it. I met a hell of a lot more flight attendants then than I did years later as a regional VP.

  • Lumpy

    But didn’t the stews find u more sexy as a VP?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh, oh now I get it Blubber suck=BS

    Ah!

  • Dan Miller

    Jet,

    Yep you got it, although I do think that funding blubber-suck procedures is the highest and best use of carbon credits.

    Clav,

    Jeanie (my wife) was a flight attendant for now defunct PanAm, back in the good old days when being a passenger on airlines was actually a pleasant experience. I remember them well.

    Ah, for the good old days.

    As to weight and balance, it’s a very important thing, particularly for light aircraft. Try to get an overloaded Cessna 182 (or for that matter any aircrat) off the ground in hot weather from a short runway located well above sea level, and you may not be able to try again. The DC-3 had a lot more load carrying capacity than its specs indicated. Someday, read Ernest Gann’s Fate is the Hunter — a fascinating autobiographical history of aviation from the DC-2 days up to the introduction of commercial jets — part of which deals with flying the Hump during WWII. Gann took off with an improperly secured load of radio towers, they shifted to the rear of the aircraft, and it took a lot of muscle on the part of his crew to get them back into position so that Gann could resume straight and level flight and avoid a stall. The DC-2 could carry wing ice better than the DC-3, and I assume that it also did a better job when over gross. There is a story about a DC-2 which had to be flown out of China with a wing salvaged from a DC-3. It was referred to as a DC-2 1/2. Gann was also a sailor, and Song of the Sirens is also a great read. Gann is one of my favorite authors, perhaps because my now deceased flight instructor (one of my very best friends, who suggested that I retire early and enjoy life only a year before he himself died) gave Gann his last FAA check ride shortly before their respective deaths.

    As to the Vickers Viscounts, they were (as I recall) among the first commercial jet aircraft and were horrible in many ways. I seem to recall that many of them crashed and that they were eventually grounded.

    Dan

  • Clavos

    Dan,

    I’m a BIG Gann fan (that rhymes!); read ‘em all, some more than once.

    11 years ago, a DC-8 loaded with blue jean parts (yep, that’s what I said), took off here in MIA, headed for the Dominican Republic, where the parts were to be assembled into jeans and shipped back.

    The denim was loaded on pallets, which were quite heavy. One of the loaders failed to secure them to the aircraft floor, and they all shifted aft on take off. He went down just off the end of the runway, onto a normally extremely busy street, less than a block from my then office. I was chairing a staff meeting when it happened; the entire building shook with the impact, and by the time we got outside (we were on the ground floor) all the jet fuel (at takeoff, he had a full load) had ignited and the three guys aboard the aircraft were already crispy critters (Early reports said 4 aboard, but later it was determined to be three.).

    Miraculously, on a street where almost every time I drove on it the traffic was bumper-to-bumper and stop-and-go, he only nailed one car, with one person aboard (who lived); there could have been 75 or 100 people killed in that one.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dan, I grew up at the end of the runway pattern of Greater Pittsburgh International airport and my father was in the airforce… which is how I got my nick name.

    We never referred to aircraft as “planes” they were c-119s, 747s, Caravelles, and DC-10s.

    My dad used to let me crawl around inside his C-124 or C-130 and I was a regular at the base.

    My favorite prop pland is the Super Constelation.

    I had hopes of studying to become an NTSB agent, but run out of money for college…

    …it’s still my hobby, and I can usually figure out the cause of a crash within a few hours just from what the press released in photos.

  • Clavos

    “As to the Vickers Viscounts, they were (as I recall) among the first commercial jet aircraft and were horrible in many ways. I seem to recall that many of them crashed and that they were eventually grounded.”

    Actually, I think you’re confusing the Viscount with the Lockheed Electra. Both were early turbo-props. The Lockheed was primarily flown by Eastern, who dropped a number of them mysteriousl;y, until someone finally figured out that after a certain number of airframe hours, the wings had a tendency to fall off. That kind of event can ruin your whole day.

    The Viscount, on the other hand, was one of the most successful British commercial aircraft ever built, and flew until it was eventually made obsolete by the pure jets.

  • Clavos

    Dan,

    I found a shot of one of the actual Viscounts I dispatched, VP-BBV, and of one of the DC-3s, VP-BBU. If memory serves, this particular aircraft was exactly as old as I was at the time (20), as there was a plate on the instrument panel that indicated Douglas had delivered it to the Army Air Force on the exact day I was born. I remember thinking at the time that it was ancient.

    As you can see, both survived my attentions.

    Great memories!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan Miller

    Clav,

    Thanks for the correction. You are absolutely correct. It was the Electra, and I should have known better.

    Dan

  • Jimbo

    Who cares who’s is to blame. What are we going to do about it. From my viewpoint, there are 2 or 3 options. Sell your car, buy a bike and take mass transit. Drive less or buy an electric car or a car powered by hydrogen. And option 3 is buy a pair of comfortable Nike’s and get ready for some walking. Since all of these options are out of the question for me, I decided to try and do something about it. While looking around, I stumbled across GasBankUSA, located at [www.gasbankusa.com]. The site talks about fixed price gasoline and locking in at a fixed price. An interesting concept and a little better than my magic 8 ball which continually tells me “try again later” everytime I ask it where are gas prices going OR will gas prices continue to rise. Looking through this site, it looks like a way to take control over something we had no control over in the past.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Jimbo, did you actually read the article… It’s fairly self-explanitory that the fatcats in Houston are to blame.

  • bliffle

    Maybe the oil crisis is just part of a bigger crisis in USA politics. Maybe we’ve simply been trying to solve too many problems abroad instead of solving them here at home. In spite of the sacrifices we’ve made, most of the result seems to be more foreign wars that go unresolved.

    35 years ago we faced an oil crisis and we stood at a crossroads: we could support and subsidize homegrown industries that were starting to spring up to provide alternates to energy importation, or we could continue the old way and subsidize foreign oil and even foreign wars if necessary.

    We chose the latter and now all we have done is move the crisis down to 2008, we’re engaged in more foreign wars and the end isn’t in sight. Plus we’ve lost a large part of our future viability by endebting our children to pay for this war.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Bliff, Starting in the late 60s we were taught in school that the world’s oil reserves would probably run out around the year 2000. Aside from stretching gas mileage to extend that date, not much else has changed.

    Why?

    The guys in the big oil companies decided not to invest in alternates because it would hurt their bottom lines, so they decided to make/grab their money while they could and passed the problem on to the ones that’d take over for them.

    Well the problem is ours now, Everyone’s screaming that we need to drill more places to get more oil… which just pushes the problem further into the future instead of investing on viable alternates (of which corn is definately not one) to be solved by the future bosses, while they make their money while they can, by any means they can, because they helped elect a president that would be their lap dog while they did it laughing all the way to the bank.

    Well guess what?

    The crisis came sooner than they expected, and yet they’re still screaming “let us drill off shore and in ANWR!”

    Why, because it’s more profitable to raise the prices through the roof, pocket the money, only to let the next ones to tackle the problem suddenly discover that the fat cats pocketed the insane profits, leaving them with nothing to pay for the research…

    …but why should they care-they’ve got our money, we’ve got nothing. If we bring lawsuits, a few million will hire some pretty good lawyers to keep our hands off those off-shore bank accounts in the Camens…

    Right?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    All true Bliffle, but what can the average man do about it?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    April 2008 Imports: June 13, 2008 Preliminary monthly data on the origins of crude oil imports in April 2008 has been released and it shows that two countries exported more than 1.50 million barrels per day to the United States. Including those countries, a total of three countries exported over 1.20 million barrels per day of crude oil to the United States.

    The top five exporting countries accounted for 69 percent of United States crude oil imports in April while the top ten sources accounted for approximately 89 percent of all U.S. crude oil imports. The top sources of US crude oil imports for April were Canada (1.952 million barrels per day), Saudi Arabia (1.453 million barrels per day), Mexico (1.259 million barrels per day), Nigeria (1.115 million barrels per day), and Venezuela (1.019 million barrels per day). The rest of the top ten sources, in order, were Iraq (0.679 million barrels per day), Angola (0.579 million barrels per day), Algeria (0.393 million barrels per day), Brazil (0.201 million barrels per day), and Kuwait (0.176 million barrels per day).

    Total crude oil imports averaged 9.921 million barrels per day in April, which is an increase of (0.303) million barrels per day from March 2008. Total crude imports for April include 0.017 million barrels per day for Strategic Petroleum Reserves (SPR).

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Newsflash: Pres. Bush proclaims Canada an “Axis of Evil” nation after discovering that the U.S. imports more oil from them than any other nation.

    The North Dakota National Guard has been ordered to the ready to do battle with the “evildoers”.

    The president has busied himself writing excusing notes for them, as All 20 remaining guardsmen are also are part of the local fire department…

    stay tuned…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    The drilling that Bush is calling for would NOT produce any oil for a minimum of 7 YEARS. For once I agree with Obama-once we get that oil up, it’d go to world markets and wind up in China or India.

    I’ve been saying that for two years now, it’s nice that they’re finally catching up.

    His rant about Congress is just that-a political smoke screen designed to hidE the fact that Oil companies have HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of tracts that they haven’t even explored yet… Adding more will not lower gas prices in any way… if ever.

    This is Bush’s attempt to pay back Quid Pro Quos that he owes Houston for financing his election twice.

    READ THE ARTICLE-DON’T COMMENT ON THE COMMENTS!!!

  • Clavos

    “The drilling that Bush is calling for would NOT produce any oil for a minimum of 7 YEARS”

    Not true. A red herring put out by the greens opposed to drilling.

    Here’s an excellent op ed, published in yesterday’s Wall Street Journal, and written by an oil industry insider, which refutes not only that canard, but the idea that increasing supply won’t reduce prices, an assumption which flies in the face of proven economics principles.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Fair enough Mr. Expert… answer these questions… if you dare-if you can.

    1. Let’s say that today legislation is passed to allow the drilling in a democratic “put up or shut up” move, how long is the process of bidding on the oil leases? how long till we’re drilling-give me a ball park date? Take in to account the next question before you answer.

    2. Since we’re talking areas that have never been drilled before, the assumption is there’s no deep sea drilling rigs within oh say 1000 miles of the site. How long would it take to decide on a site and then tow an existing rig to the site and set up drilling? … just a ball park date, and take into consideration the previous question.

    3. Assuming the geologicals are in their favor, once the rig is on site how long does the process take to drill down to a sufficient depth to find it-if it’s found at all? add the results of the previous dates together now… don’t cheat

    4. Once it is producing oil, could it pump enough in the first two years to make much difference on the oil market?

    5. How many rigs would have to be towed out to sea in locations nowhere near our present locations would it take to make a dent in the price of oil, over how many years?

    6. Once that oil is pumping-do you seriously believe that Houston would sell that oil for LESS than market value. Do you seriously think there’s a way to keep that oil from leaving the U.S.?

    7. Considering our country’s diminished refinery capacity, how long would it take to ship it overseas, refine it, and return it to the U.S.?

    8. WHY AREN’T THE BIG OIL COMPANYS DRILLING ON TRACTS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE? They DID bid on them, they wouldn’t have if the geologicals were’nt there so tell me, why do they need more tracts that the ones they’re NOT drilling on?

    I’d say seven years is a conservative (ironically) estimate and would probably take longer than that. Of course the long drawn out process would be blamed on the Next President, rather than where it belongs… on the above questions.
    I’ll wait patiently……

  • Clavos

    Read the article I linked, Jet.

    Then ask questions…

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan Miller

    Even assuming solely for the sake of argument that drilling now wouldn’t produce significant additional oil for seven years, it beats any single alternative I have yet to see mentioned. Obviously, more efficient energy usage, additional and/or new sources of energy, etc. are all great ideas which should — must, actually — be vigorously pursued. Unfortunately, none of the thus far suggested alternatives alone or even in combination seem likely to do much in less than seven years to reduce costs of transportation or, therefore, food costs, or any other costs.

    Meanwhile, as the problem worsens, the refusal of the Democrats to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the Republicans have a modicum of good sense and public interest at heart, combined with the refusal of the Republicans to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the Democrats have a modicum of good sense and public interest at heart, leave us in a real pickle. Of course, neither may have any of these attributes, in which event using pickles for fuel may be the only viable solution.

    Perhaps when we can burn pickles and dollar bills less expensively than we can burn oil, better solutions may emerge.

    Dan

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Typical Republican side-stepping. Produce the answers here or shut up. If they’re reasonable I’ll shut up-as long as EACH QUESTION IS ANSWERED REALISTICALLY..

    A resonable answer to each of the questions please? I have to go to a doctor’s appointment about my heart, I’ll be back around 4-EST.

    I wager that you can’t answer those questions in a resonable fashion without sidestepping, or trying to claim they’re irrevelant.

    What do you say?

  • Clavos

    I say:

    1. I’m not a Republican.

    2. Most of your “questions” were answered before you asked them, in the op ed piece I cited.

    I’m not interested in debating you if you don’t even read what I post.

    Have fun at the dr’s.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    1. Assignment and bidding of oil leases-9-12 months.

    2. 10-18 months assuming it doesn’t have to go through the Panama canal. Towed from the Gulf-It’d have to wait till after hurricane season.

    3. Ten months minimum

    4. No-oil speculators would grab it before it hit the market. the only way to prevent it is to nationalize the oil industry… yeah right.

    5. a minimum of 15-that’s assuming all of them hit big-not a good probablilty

    6. DISPUTE THIS-China would be highest bidder, probably bartering the oil for our national debt to them, leaving us empty handed.

    7. 6-18 months depending on if it goes to Mexico or somewhere farther out.

    8. Houston is flush to capacity with unused oil leases that they themselves successfully bid on… they want that oil right where it is until it hits $400 a barrel-dispute that if you dare.

    The middle east has a strangle hold on oil, if we do anything remotely looking like trying to uncouple our nozzle from their pump, they’d shut down our supply long before we could get it out of the ground, and it’d be the 70s oil crisis.

    they wouldn’t suffer a bit, because the oil we were getting, would go to India and China

    Don’t like my answers?

    Where are yours?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Constantly refering me to an article written by and favoring big business/big oil is sidestepping.

    Republican/STYLE if you like.

    Dispute my answers! Particularly #6

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    To make it a little more convenient, I’ll lay it out for you, since you seem to be stumped or are afraid to answer the questions here…

    1. Let’s say that in a democratic “put up or shut up” move today, legislation is passed to allow the drilling on our east and west coasts; how long on average is the process of bidding on the oil leases? In other words, how long till we’re drilling-give me a ball park date? Take in to account the next question before you answer.
    Answer Assignment and bidding of oil leases-9-12 months, this is assuming that all the bureaucratic red tape was cut… then it’d take longer.

    2. Since we’re talking areas that have never been drilled before, the assumption is there’s no deep sea drilling rigs within oh say 1,000 or more miles of the site. How long would it take to decide on a site, then to do the geologicals, and then tow an existing rig to the site and set up drilling? … just a ball park date, and take into consideration the previous question.
    Answer: In the Pacific, aprox. additional 10-18 months assuming it doesn’t have to go through the Panama canal.

    Off the Atlantic Coast-Towed from the Gulf-It’d have to wait till after hurricane season and then an additional 12 months to assemble a crew and equipment (Assuming there are no breakdowns).

    3. Assuming the geologicals are in their favor, once the rig is on site how long does the process take to drill down to a sufficient depth to find it-if it’s found at all? Then add the results of the previous dates together now… don’t cheat
    Answer: Ten months minimum, and that’s being charitable.

    4. Once it is producing oil, could it pump enough in the first two years to make much difference on the oil market?
    Answer 4. No-oil speculators would grab it before it hit the market. the only way to prevent it is to nationalize the oil industry… yeah right.

    5. How many rigs would have to be towed out to sea in places nowhere near our present locations would it take to make a dent in the price of oil, over how many years?
    Answer: 15-And mind you this is assuming that assuming 8-9 of them actually hit big-not a good probablilty.

    6. Once that oil is pumping-do you seriously believe that Houston would sell that oil for LESS than market value. Do you seriously think there’s a way to keep that oil from leaving the U.S.?
    DISPUTE THIS-China would be highest bidder, probably bartering the oil in exchange for our national debt to them, leaving us empty handed.

    7. Considering our country’s diminished refinery capacity, how long would it take to ship it overseas, refine it, and return it to the U.S.?
    Answer 7. 6-12 months depending on if it goes to Mexico or somewhere farther out.

    8. WHY AREN’T THE BIG OIL COMPANYS DRILLING ON TRACTS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE? They DID bid on them, they wouldn’t have if the geologicals were’nt there so tell me, why do they need more tracts than the ones they’re NOT drilling on now?
    Answer: Houston is flush to capacity with unused oil leases that they themselves successfully bid on… they want that oil right where it is until it hits $400 a barrel-dispute that if you dare.

    The middle east has a strangle hold on oil, if we do anything remotely looking like trying to uncouple our nozzle from their pump, they’d shut down our supply long before we could get it out of the ground, and it’d be the 70s oil crisis.

    they wouldn’t suffer a bit, because the oil we were getting, would go to India and China

    I’d say seven years is a conservative (ironically) estimate and would probably take longer than that. Of course the long drawn out process would be blamed on the Next President, rather than where it belongs… on the above questions.

    I’ll wait patiently…… Mind you the Evening News will be on soon and they’ll probably agree with me… sorry

  • bliffle

    Clavos sez:

    “Here’s an excellent op ed, published in yesterday’s Wall Street Journal, and written by an oil industry insider,…”

    All strong advocates of Bush policies, and proven liars.

    “… which refutes not only that canard, but the idea that increasing supply won’t reduce prices, an assumption which flies in the face of proven economics principles.”

    Revealing the authors naivete about Econ and “supply and demand”. First year econ students delight in demonstrating exceptions to “supply and demand” principles that the simple learn from WSJ editorials.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thanks Bliffle, I couldn’t have said it better myself… thought I tried and failed at #332…

  • bliffle

    Here’s a paragraph from the WSJ article (by an oil co. exec with a huge vested interest in drilling) that Clavos has misunderstood or misrepresented:

    “Your claim that any oil we drill for now will not come on line for five years or longer – and will thus have no effect on prices today – is incorrect.”

    Please notice that this advocate is NOT saying that the oil will come on in leass than 5 years, but “thus have no effect on prices today – is incorrect.”

    All he’s claiming is that the prospect of FUTURE oil (and that future for ANWR and coastal oil is USUALLy represented as 10 years away) will TEND to reduce current prices. Maybe. This is just a restatement of the old Market bromide that “the market discounts everything”, i.e., markets use future prosects to marginally perturb prices.

    “Unlike past oil crises, where the spot price of oil (that is, today’s price) rose more than forward prices, the oil price for delivery in 2012 is trading at $138 per barrel. The market is sending a clear price signal that our problem is in the future – because we do not have the will to curb demand or increase supply.”

    This throws his whole argument into confusion because we have ALREADY exceeded that price since he wrote the article! Not only have events refuted his premise, but events have also proven this jerk is a lousy predictor!

    Get him oughta here!

    “…Demonstrate the national will to address the supply and demand issues now and it will.”

    We have little control over supply, and only national control over demand (China and India will continue to increase their demand). We have to concentrate on conservation and alternate energy sources to reduce our own consumption of imports.

    Try to cite a better source next time than an “op ed” page, for crying out loud!

  • Clavos

    “All strong advocates of Bush policies, and proven liars.”

    So, bliffle, do you have any verifiable evidence (Other than guilt by association or hearsay, that is) that Joseph Petrowski himself is a “proven liar?”

    Care to cite some specific proofs?

    “First year econ students delight in demonstrating exceptions to “supply and demand” principles…”

    Strange. No such activity took place when I was studying first year Economics.

    But of course, I actually went to college, bliff.

  • Clavos

    Presenting unsupported arguments with no basis in fact usually does result in failure, Jet…

  • Clavos

    Glad to see someone finally read the article, bliff. Jet didn’t see any need to.

    “Please notice that this advocate is NOT saying that the oil will come on in leass than 5 years…”

    Nor was I (or anyone else on this thread).

    “All he’s claiming is that the prospect of FUTURE oil (and that future for ANWR and coastal oil is USUALLy represented as 10 years away) will TEND to reduce current prices. Maybe. This is just a restatement of the old Market bromide that “the market discounts everything”, i.e., markets use future prosects to marginally perturb prices.”

    Actually, no. it’s an accurate explication of how the futures and spot markets interact with and influence each other.

    “This throws his whole argument into confusion because we have ALREADY exceeded that price since he wrote the article! Not only have events refuted his premise, but events have also proven this jerk is a lousy predictor!”

    Even you, bliff, should be able to see how stupid your point is. The market is changing by the hour. His price quotation being a few hours behind the market in no way invalidates his main point that the futures market will react appropriately to the certain knowledge that there will be a greater supply of oil on a predictable future date.

    “We have to concentrate on conservation and alternate energy sources to reduce our own consumption of imports.”

    Agreed, but beside the point(s) under discussion.

    Nice try, bliff. Now go back to sleep, old man.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I have DSL-I can log onto any other website (with the exception of BCForum-of which I have the same problem) INSTANTLY… It’s getting really old when it takes as much as five minutes lately to get onto this site and half the time I get a notice saying the website can’t be displayed, or I get a blank screen instead.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Just like the Bible, Clavos-the internet can provide enought websites to back any position… even yours.

    The fact that you won’t debate my 8 questions is blatant and obvious.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    An opinion piece by an oil man is hardly unbiased fact Clavos. And poohooing and playing Mother Superior doesn’t make you any less or any more right.

    There are still 8 unanswered questions up there that you can’t answer because it’d be impossible for you to credibly claim that I’m wrong…

    PARTICULARLY QUESTIONS 6 AND 8.

    Declaring me wrong doesn’t make it so. Doing so without credible arguments only lessens your credibility.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Summary: Applications for Permits to Drill (APDs)
    Approved by BLM, 2001-2007

    Colorado: 2,909
    Montana: 843
    New Mexico: 7,606
    Utah: 2,955
    Wyoming: 18,613
    Rocky Mtns: 32,926
    Nation-wide:35,106

    The vast acreage under lease and huge increase in drilling permits contradicts the Interior Department’s assertions that it has inadequate access to federal lands.

    On May 21, 2008, the Bureau of Land Management released “EPCA III,” its latest inventory of oil and gas resources on more than 279 million acres of federal land. In the report, BLM emphasized the amount of oil and gas resources off limit to development. But another Wilderness Society analysis shows that the report manipulated data and was rife with errors.

    “As they did with the 2006 version of this report, the Bush administration and BLM again manipulated data to reach a predetermined conclusion that supports the oil and gas industry’s desire to open more public lands to drilling

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The House of Representatives on Thursday rejected legislation that would have required energy companies to develop oil and natural gas supplies on federal leases they have held for years or be denied future drilling access on government acres…

    …Republican presidential candidate John McCain and President George W. Bush want Congress to allow offshore drilling in those areas where energy exploration is now banned.

    Democrats said companies hold millions of undrilled acres in federal leases and the legislation would have pushed firms to develop those potential energy supplies…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Forbes:
    Last month, the Commerce Department reported the April deficit on goods and services was $60.9 billion. For May, the consensus forecast is $62.2 billion.

    The key data to watch are the deficits on petroleum and motor vehicles, trade with China and the progress of U.S. exports. Especially critical for signs of an export-led economic recovery will be exports of capital goods.

    Together, the deficits in petroleum, motor vehicles and trade with China totaled about $65 billion in April, or more than the entire trade deficit on goods and services.

  • Franco

    How long will it take?

    Jet, if it takes 5 – 7 – 15 years or even longer, then all the more reason to get started with the process right now. Not as a quick fix on todays gas prices but as forsite for events that we could not conceive of today, that in the next decade could be facing us of greater events. Additionally, if we don’t drill, someone else will close to our waters, as China has already studied it with Cuba.

    Now with that said, I would encourage all the alternative and friendly energy we can adapt at full speed ahead but while they are being developed we should be securing our own access to tapping the dominate energy source of the day. As these new energy sources come into devlopment and increase use we can start to feather off oil proportionatly. But we are going to need lots of todays energy source to create tomorrows.

    Existing Leases

    Concerning the existing leases you talk about in Houston with oil they want to keep in the ground until it reachs $400 a barrel, I am not convinced that is the case.

    The world economy would shut down long before oil got to $400 a barrel and food costs would go up dispaportally even higher causing world riots. Hell the UN is even claiming right now we are going to see food riots in the would today with oil at $145. So why they are not drilling thise leases has to have other issue involved. Give me something else to consider then this $400 bit.

    Middle East cutting off our supply.

    You say…..“The middle east has a strangle hold on oil, if we do anything remotely looking like trying to uncouple our nozzle from their pump, they’d shut down our supply long before we could get it out of the ground, and it’d be the 70s oil crisis.

    Jet, the Middle East proven supplies have their limits, and they are reported to have used up close to half their proven supplies right now. They are not looking forward to the day they will run out. So I can not share your logical on this one. Hell, it’s more likely the exactly opposite would occur as our own increased supply would help prolong there own dreaded day.

  • Franco

    Jet, if you are going to say this…..

    “An opinion piece by an oil man is hardly unbiased fact Clavos.”

    And then say this…….

    “On May 21, 2008, the Bureau of Land Management released “EPCA III,” its latest inventory of oil and gas resources on more than 279 million acres of federal land. In the report, BLM emphasized the amount of oil and gas resources off limit to development. But another Wilderness Society analysis shows that the report manipulated data and was rife with errors.”

    Do you think you can take some of your own advice?

    “Declaring me wrong doesn’t make it so. Doing so without credible arguments only lessens your credibility.”

    Wilderness Society??? Jet, the environmental movements are the most notorious for radically manipulating date to futher there agenda that even an oil man has a chance of being more credible, let alone the BLM.

    Pot

    Kettle

    Black

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ah, I get it! IT’s okay to use an op-ed piece to make a point, but not to counter it…. Okay.

  • Clavos

    OK, Jet, I’m gonna try one more time:

    I found a very good (and unbiased) site from the Federal Energy Information Administration. In the section titled Oil Market Basics, there are eight chapters dealing with the various aspects of how oil is bought, sold, and traded in the world market. The chapter, Prices, is particularly relevant. It says, in part:

    The price of crude oil, the raw material from which petroleum products are made, is established by the supply and demand conditions in the global market overall, and more particularly, in the main refining centers: Singapore, Northwest Europe, and the U.S. Gulf Coast…

    And:

    Oil prices are a result of thousands of transactions taking place simultaneously around the world, at all levels of the distribution chain from crude oil producer to individual consumer. Oil markets are essentially a global auction — the highest bidder will win the supply. Like any auction, however, the bidder doesn’t want to pay too much. When markets are “strong” (when demand is high and/or supply is low), the bidder must be willing to pay a higher premium to capture the supply. When markets are “weak” (demand low and/or supply high), a bidder may choose not to outbid competitors, waiting instead for later, possibly lower priced, supplies.

    It’s a very good site. Check it out. Explore it. Read it.

    The first link takes you to the site’s home page; the second to the chapter on prices.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Clavos, the problem is oil speculators taking huge blocks of petroleum off the market to be sold later at an obscene profit.

    You condescendingly said that $400 a barrel was ridiculous. 10 years ago when oil hovered around $18 a barrel would you have branded $140 a barrel out of the question?

    Drilling for more oil won’t solve the problem for one very good reason. Any crude, regardless of its source, will have been purchased by China and India before it’s even pumped. —–As a matter of fact, it’s likely that China would be providing the capital to build/lease the very off shore rigs required to get it up to be pumped and then processed.—–

    I’m sorry you obviously think me too stupid to understand your comcepts, but the above facts are simple enough for any 6th grader to understand.

    As for “Facts” from any part of the Bush Administration, these are the same people who altered reported scientific findings a few years back to support their claim there was no global warming, and they’re also the ones that said that Iraq was stockpiling WMDs.

    In five years this country won’t have an economy to save my friend, and drilling off shore won’t fixt that… regardless of how naive or stupid you think I am.

  • Clavos

    “…the problem is oil speculators taking huge blocks of petroleum off the market to be sold later at an obscene profit.”

    Actually, the speculators (i.e. the futures market) are the very reason why the price will drop long before the new oil is actually ready for delivery. As soon as additional supplies are confirmed to be delivered in 5 or 7 (or however many) years, the futures will respond to the increased supply and prices will come down. The spot market then drops as well. This is how it works, Jet. it’s explained very well and in great detail on the EIA site.

    “You condescendingly said that $400 a barrel was ridiculous.”

    No, I didn’t, Jet.

    “Drilling for more oil won’t solve the problem for one very good reason. Any crude, regardless of its source, will have been purchased by China and India before it’s even pumped. —–As a matter of fact, it’s likely that China would be providing the capital to build/lease the very off shore rigs required to get it up to be pumped and then processed.”

    Oil is a fungible commodity, Jet. It doesn’t matter who’s buying or who’s selling; it’s a worldwide market; it’s all in one big worldwide pool. The fact is, if we suddenly dump a large quantity of oil into the pool, the price will go down. You may not believe this, but that’s how it works. I don’t know how to explain it better to you.

    “As for “Facts” from any part of the Bush Administration, these are the same people who altered reported scientific findings a few years back to support their claim there was no global warming…”

    I’ve never seen anyone in the scientific community claim that facts were altered. The administration did deny for years that GW was taking place and that its causes are anthropogenic; and, as a matter of fact, there’s a growing group of scientists who agree with that. The most recent data even shows that, for the past several years and now, the globe is actually cooling. The data is so compelling that even the most ardent GW advocates have tried to explain it away by conceding the cooling evidence, but saying that it’s only a temporary phenomenon, and the world will start warming again in a few years; but GW is another discussion.

    “In five years this country won’t have an economy to save my friend…”

    Agreed. Which is exactly why we need to start taking action now; not only to add more to the world’s supply of oil, but also to exploit additional sources, such as nuclear and coal, as well as develop totally new ideas for fuel, particularly renewable fuel. The USA has more energy locked up in our coal than exists in rhe entire world’s known supply of oil. We need to be working like beavers to figure out how to exploit that cleanly, we need to be developing more efficient means of producing energy using ALL the resources available.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Clavos, the world is cooling because of global warming. As ice shelves crack and melt, they fall into the polar oceans, drift and act as huge ice cubes in a glass of water.

  • Franco

    Jet, are you not going to respond to post #345.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    It isn’t catastrophic if I don’t always get the last word in. He had his say, I’ve had mine. We’ve gone off to neutral corners.

  • Franco

    #353 — Jet in Columbus

    Who are you talking about?

  • Franco

    The Gipper was right thirty years ago when he said that we needed to increase domestic oil production. The peanut farmer was dead wrong when he said that we would never import more oil than we did in 1977.

    Remember the boisterous rally cries when the Democrats took control of the Senate and House of Representatives in the November 2006 elections.

    Nancy Pelosi joined Democratic leaders and sounded the themes that others in her party echoed throughout the night.

    “Today the American people voted for change and they voted for Democrats to take our country in a new direction, and that is exactly what we intend to do,” she said. “The American people voted for a new direction to restore civility and bipartisanship in Washington, D.C., and Democrats promise to work together in a bipartisan way for all Americans.”

    You caught that, right? – “The American people voted for a new direction to restore civility and bipartisanship in Washington, D.C., and Democrats promise to work together in a bipartisan way for all Americans.”

    Since this glorious day for – All Americans” – Democrats have smashed that promis to bits and oil prices have almost tripled.

    It has gone almost completely unacknowledged that with oil shale, offshore deposits, and new resources such as the hydrocarbon sludge deposits off B.C. and Alaska, the OPEC of the late 21st century is going to be right here. That’s a goal worth working toward.

    Democrats understand that oil prices will drop – perhaps a lot – if the United States announces that we’re opening up ANWR, the Florida Gulf Coast, the outer continental shelf, the oil shale lands out west and other areas to oil exploration and recovery.

    Democrats also know that the voters in this country have this nasty tendency to blame – or credit – the party controlling the White House for good and bad economic news. Democrats won’t do anything that might allow the Republicans to look good … even if you have to pay five bucks a gallon for gas.

    But the real world and reality are starting to be too big to keep spinning away. So Democrats are finally starting to reverse course… at least publicly, about increased domestic drilling. Still dragging their feet, though. Still don’t quite get it. But never let it be said that their finger guages aren’t working.

    “I’m not knee-jerk opposed to anything,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). “We’re willing to work. We haven’t shut our minds to anything.”

    You can smell the sheer rat-weezil panic in that, just reading it and not even having to hear it or look at his face while he’s saying it.

    I think the deer in the headlights look is somewhat muted because they have no clue what they’re up against, as shown in another quote

    “If they were showing in good faith that they were drilling on some of the 68 million acres they have now, it might change some of our attitudes,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.).

    um, if they showed good faith? – we might change our attitudes????

    I’m going to show you something you may not have noticed. At no times do these idiots ever once show facts and figures about how much oil is in the spots mentioned. There’s a reason for that. There’s more oil in Nancy Pelosi’s canned Tuna plant in American Samoa, than there is where the Congresional Democrats are insisting the companies drill.

    The fact is that the Democrats are dealing from a busted flush, and half of them are too stupid to know it, inculding Jet. It would all be quite amusing if we weren’t paying the price at the pump and all of its related downside fallout, not to mention the rest of the world right along with us.

    Thank your Nancy, Harry, and your Green friends.

    How the Greens Captured Energy Policy

  • Clavos

    The Greens aren’t done yet.

    If they get their way, they will literally destroy the economy of the USA (and all of the Western world) with their bullshit carbon cap-and-trade proposals and their grossly unrealistic goals for reducing carbon emissions, neither of which will be applied to either China or India; both of whose carbon emissions rates are increasing at unprecedented levels; with China actually about to surpass the US in emissions.

  • bliffle

    Clavos never ceases to be wrong, in spite of all his huffing and puffing to the contrary. When he said:

    “#324 — July 11, 2008 @ 13:56PM — Clavos

    “The drilling that Bush is calling for would NOT produce any oil for a minimum of 7 YEARS”

    Not true. A red herring put out by the greens opposed to drilling.

    Here’s an excellent op ed, published in yesterday’s Wall Street Journal, and written by an oil industry insider, which refutes not only that canard, …”

    The citation DOES NOT REFUTE the original assertion. It ASSERTS a contrary, but it DOES NOT REFUTE!

    Do you understand the difference between asserting something and refuting?

    Apparently not.

    What hope can one have for anything that Clavos says? None.

  • Clavos

    I stand corrected, bliffle.

    You are correct. It does not refute.

    “Do you understand the difference between asserting something and refuting?

    Apparently not.”

    Could I prevail upon you to explain it to me?

    Please use simple language, so I don’t get confused.

    Thank you, old man.

  • Cannonshop

    Using prefabricated components and hitting “High spots” where the probability of a strike is greater than 75% in the first couple hundered feet, the seven-year figure might be wrong. OTOH, what do you do with it (if it’s producing to spec after the first year?) Democrats violently oppose Refineries, and unquestioningly endorse complex “21 Formulas” regulations that prevent the remaining facilities still operating from being able to ramp up and meet demand… and unrefined crude is worth exactly jack-shit as fuel. It’d take seven years just to get enough refineries on-line to handle the output from cherry-picking only the sweetest spots for drilling-and that’s assuming someone sits on the NIMBYs and the Greens long enough to get them built (rather than having them killed by the first hundered lawsuits per).

    And once large-scale Wind-projects are approved, of course, we’ll see similar Lawsuit/protest attacks as endangered birds become birdburger in the wind-turbine blades…

  • Clavos

    It seems the Brits have hit upon an idea which carries the carbon cap-and-trade nonsenseto new heights (or should I say new depths?): personal carbon allowances.

    The idea is to issue all adults cards which would monitor (and tally) all their carbon purchases:

    A Parliamentary committee in May proposed giving all British adults “carbon allowances” that they would be required to spend – along with, you know, real money – when buying gasoline, airline tickets, electricity or natural gas. Britons who wanted more credits than they were issued could try to buy them – again, with real money – from those who hadn’t spent their allotment. All of this is supposed to give people a financial incentive to reduce energy consumption and thus their carbon “footprint.”

    A private, voluntary pilot program is already underway. The Green movement is much more about control and power than it’s about saving the environment. As this WSJ opinion piece says:

    War-time-like energy rations are a clear illustration of the extent to which environmentalists hope to control every aspect of modern life. Do you really want to blow much of your annual “ration” on that long carbon-spewing jet flight to Florida, or should you swap that summer AC for weekend drives in the country?

    The global warmists want you to sacrifice for their cause. And the duration of their war on carbon will make the decade-and-a-half of British rationing during and after World War II seem like a fleeting moment. The pending climate-change bill calls for a 60% cut in carbon emissions from their 1990 levels by 2050. Once 2050 rolls around, who exactly will declare the end of hostilities?

    Control and power.

  • http://www.radiocoach.biz Sam weaver

    Based on the President’s assertions that Congress is ignoring the affect that off-shore drilling would immediately have on the price of gasoline, I believe he is preparing for a Board of Directors seat at one of the oil companies for when he is out of office. It is hard to believe that Bush continues to act as if off-shore drilling is a quick fix. Thank God for Internet bloggers. We the people are aware of the realities. Everyone just wants to know why the oil companies are not drilling on the existing 68 million acres of leased land? Why the push for more land to just sit on? I have yet to hear President Bush or an oil company address the question.

  • Franco

    #356 — Clavos

    “The Greens aren’t done yet.”

    If they get their way, they will literally destroy the economy of the USA (and all of the Western world)”

    Clavos, no they are not done yet, but people are starting to wake up. And you are 110% correct that they will literally destroy the economy of the USA (and all of the Western world) if they can.

    But it goes far deeper then bullshit carbon cap-and-trade proposals which are only the latest tip of the ice burg from 40 years of what has built up under the water line.

    It’s obvious that their energy policy was not intended for the benefit of the public, or industry, or government, but solely to fit the agenda and goals of the Green movement, and not even the naïve public with sincere and healthy agendas and goals, but a deeper radical core agenda rarely referred to except through euphemism.

    Greens have spent billions of dollors over 40 years working at transforming the thinking of Americans and the European western world. It has become a no brainer, it is politically correct, and has litteraly nummed out the minds of this new generation who have nothing to ground it againt. They have been feed it in grade school and in universities and even hear Congress and and the likes of Al Gore spue the same numming tune. Well, Americans are not going to freze in the dark. And right now they, not only the USA, but the World needs the price of oil to come down and they are going to stop wanting it. Oil should be at $55.

    The only thing I like about the current energy crisis is the Greens are not going to be a populare in the face of this mess and as the pedgulim starts to swing back. I think it has started and we don’t even know it yet.

    Additionally, anti-Americans, anti-Capitalism, anti-free market, pro-progressive socialists, pro-hard left, all with their own agenda will latch on to Greens and propagandize it to aid their own agenda. It’s quite litterally out of control.

    Greens have become quieter about this vision as it has grown more distant. Which does not mean that they have ceased working toward it. Like all true believers, the Greens simply grow more fanatical the more unlikely their dreams become. And that is why the long overdue reform of America’s energy sector IS GOING TO BE A FIGHT.

    I don’t know it you read the article I linked to on “How the Greens Captured Energy Policy”, but it breaks in down in breif over the past 40 years. It’s a solid article.

    The Green Agenda

    Through its influence in the media and government (both bureaucracy and congress), and outright deception with its relationship the the public, the Greens effectively abolished nuclear power, curtailed domestic oil production, and left the American energy industry in the comatose state in which it abides to this day. Nor was this an error or overreaction – it was a deliberate effort to fulfill the Green agenda.

    What is the nature of this agenda? Greens were much more open about it during the early years of the movement. (As for example in the utopian novel Ecotopia.) The end point of all Green efforts is a kind of Edenic state in which humans exist in “partnership” with nature. In which humanity is simply another species. In which the human “footprint” (a purely Green concept with no literal meaning) is reduced to a minimum. A world which has returned in large part to a pre-industrial state, where whatever small amounts of power are needed are provided by solar and wind. A kind of universal Northern California, where all living things from spirochete to grizzly exist in harmony under the cloak of Gaia.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Bullshit Franco,
    The democrats in congress can’t get anything done because the American People hamstringed them with not enough votes to override Bush’s veto of anything remotely resembling them fulfilling promises.

    As for the energy crisis being blamed on Democrats-even more GOP bullshit. The Republicans have had both congress and the whitehouse for nearly a decade. Rather than admit they didn’t do anything but rubberstamp Bush’s handouts to big business and big oil, they now have a scapegoat in a congress that’s only been in power for two years.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Franco, if you’d read this article (which I doubt) we wouldn’t be in this mess if we’d been permitted to pump the oil out of Iraq’s huge reserves.

    Read the article instead trying to post the entire GOP platform.

  • Franco

    Truth always pisses um off

    “they now have a scapegoat in a congress that’s only been in power for two years.”

    If the shoe fits!!! Oil has nearly trippled since your friends in congress have been in power the past two years. What the fu*k have they done about it while is has been trippling in price. Two years is two years buddy. What have then done????????

    They are holding a busted flush as we speak. So what going to be your excuse for them next year as people all over the world are suffering ecconmicly while your friends drag their feet?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    You wouldn’t know the truth if it bit your ass. Every meaningful piece of leglisltion has had by necessity to be watered down or changed completely to Bush’s desk and you know it.

    The damage was done to this economy long before the Dems took over and you know it.

    This is a typical GOP ploy. How long after Clinton left office the the GOP try to blame the recession on him? Well that sword cuts both ways.

    If you don’t think the American public can see right through your pack of twisted, convoluted and manipulated “facts”, you’re saddly mistaken.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan Miller

    Jet,

    In an earlier post (I tried to find it but gave up), you referred to a soup kitchen where the soup was too expensive; too expensive in that recipients were required to say and do things which you found repulsive. Assume with me the following:

    1. The objectionable soup kitchen was the only one available and had lots of customers willing to comply with its requirements. It also had lots of customers who were deeply offended but sufficiently hungry to comply.

    2. A new soup kitchen opened which welcomed all, with no requirement that any customer say or do anything objectionable — just take the soup, eat it, help clean up the mess and go away.

    3. The new soup kitchen attracted lots of customers from the original soup kitchen and, since the original soup kitchen really did want to serve soup, it noticed the decline and wondered why.

    4. After pondering the situation for awhile, the original soup kitchen decided to back off a bit and to charge a lower price — fewer requirements to do and say things found objectionable by its former customers.

    Now how about a change of facts, to involve oil rather than soup.

    1. Now, the OPEC nations have substantial oligopoly power and can charge whatever the market will bear; speculators take advantage of that to, well, speculate. That is what speculators do; its how they avoid having to go to soup kitchens.

    2. The U.S. opens its substantial but heretofore forbidden oil reserves for drilling, producing (a) the viable threat that lots more oil will be available in the not too distant future and (b) the actuality of lots more oil in a few years.

    3. Instead of one big pot of oil, which OPEC can control, OPEC realizes that there are other big pots of oil around which OPEC can’t control, that the folks with those other big pots of oil are finding it necessary and economically viable to go after the oil, and that if they actually do produce lots of oil, the profits of the OPEC nations will decline. The OPEC nations like to get lots of money; oil is their primary if not only source of money.

    Wouldn’t OPEC — which we can probably assume is more sophisticated than the people who run soup kitchens and is more interested in selling oil than the soup kitchens are in having their prayer rooms overflowing — think seriously about making the actual drilling of lots of new oil wells by potential competitors uneconomic by reducing oil prices? Wouldn’t the speculators consider their positions and give some serious thought taking a small loss now rather than a big loss later?

    Of course, there is the objection that lots of the new oil would be sold to other countries, such as China. That needn’t be the case, and it would not be impossible to draft legislation to prevent or minimize it. Suppose, however, that all of the new oil just went to, say, China. There would be at least two effects: (1) the U.S. trade balance with China would improve, and (b) the market price of oil would still go down due to the increased supply.

    I realize that this analogy is simplistic and imperfect, but think about it.

    Dan

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dan, Part 1.-the soup kitchen didn’t care, it’d keep getting fresh money from the government whether it was successful or not, secure in the knowledge that if caught, there’d be an uproar if churches suddenly had to meet government regulations.

    The church would be screaming at the top of its lungs about “separation of church and state” a little concept it takes full and ready advantage of… but only when it’s in their favor.

    As for lack of customers, it’d just spend more money on operating expensives like increased staff payrolls and the unused money would go towards stocking their parisheners’ kitchen pantries for which it’d present the receipts to show that it was buying food.

    I understand one was even using the food it bought to sell at its concession stand during bingo nights!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dan, I’m not quite sure you’re aware of extent of China’s increasing demand. China is indeed putting alot of the Middle East’s output into their ever increasing number of cars, but its also going into China’s major output-anything and everything made of plastic.

    We’re talking everything from TVs to the wrapping that your favorite cell phone came in. As a matter of fact, nearly everything including the monitor you’re reading this on requires plastic, and that requires petroleum. China would take up their losses from the U.S. quite easily and without batting an eye.

    The United States could stop using oil tomorrow and the Arab countries wouldn’t bat an eye. It’s a shorder and easier haul to the far east than it is to the U.S.

  • Clavos

    “China would take up their losses from the U.S. quite easily and without batting an eye.”

    That’s not the point. China is already a significant oil market, second only to the US, and rapidly overtaking US. It’s and India’s combined demand are a (perhaps THE) significant contributor to the upward pressure on oil prices

    The point is, if we lift our restrictions on drilling, particularly in the Gulf of Mexico, where some experts believe the deposits are nearly as large as all the current Middle eastern deposits combined, we will significantly increase the available supply, which will bring with it a concomitant decrease in prices, even before the oil actually hits the pipeline, thanks to the futures market.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan Miller

    Jet,

    The United States could stop using oil tomorrow and the Arab countries wouldn’t bat an eye. Would that we could, and perhaps someday we may be able to; actually, we gotta. But for now . . .

    Dan

  • Franco

    #366 — Jet in Columbus

    “You wouldn’t know the truth if it bit your ass. Every meaningful piece of leglisltion has had by necessity to be watered down or changed completely to Bush’s desk and you know it.”

    Jet, kindly name one pieces of meaningful energy legislation the Congressional Democrats have proposed that was watered down/changed by Bush. You are the own who is making this absurd argument, so go ahead and name just one. The American public would like to know.

    “The damage was done to this economy long before the Dems took over and you know it.”

    Jet, you are the one who loves to throw stones at those you accuse of not reading your posts. So kindly explain why you did not read mine before you when off half cocked.

    If you had read what I posted you would have clearly seen I said the damage was done starting 40 years ago. As hard as you try, you can’t spin what I wrote.

    In light of this fact, all I was asking you is what the hell the Congressional Democrats have been doing about near tripling oil prices in the last two years since they are leading both houses. Which is a reasonable question and the American pupil and Amercian business would like to know. It is an honest question in times of very serious energy issues that deserves an honest answer.

    Tho only thing you have made clear so far is you want the hell out of having to answer that just like your popular friends amoung the Congressional Democrats. Don’t you think the American public can see right through this?

    If your still not convinced then explain why your so called friends in Congress have (and have for some time now) a lower approval rating then……um, dare i say it ………….Bush

    Your right about one thing though, the American public can see right through a pack of twisted, convoluted and manipulated so called “facts”. And the kettle is about to boil over as American business and the public want action, not the Nancy/Harry two step.

    Energy reform is an egg and rock situation for the Democrats. (From the old Irish proverb: “When the rock hits the egg, alas for the egg. When the egg hits the rock, alas for the egg.”) The Democrats can neither adequately defend it nor abandon it, as is clearly shown by their refusal to even consider loosening drilling restrictions.

    So Jet, kindly have the decency to read what someone posts before responding just as you would have them do when responding to what I said.

    If you can do what you require of others, I would love to hear your responce to what I have already posted on the following.

    (1)
    You, along with the Congressional Democrats assert that the oil companies should drill on the already approved federal leased. Yet at no time do you or the Congress show facts and figures about how much oil is in the spots mentioned. I assert that there’s a reason for that. There’s more oil in Nancy Pelosi’s canned Tuna plant in American Samoa, than there is where you and the Congressional Democrats are insisting the companies drill.

    This wouldn’t by chance be what you are refering to as meaningful energy legislation is it?

    (2)
    It has gone completely unacknowledged by you and the Congressional Democrats that with oil shale, offshore deposits, and new resources such as the hydrocarbon sludge deposits off B.C. and Alaska, the OPEC of the late 21st century is going to be right here. Why is this not being made clear to the American puplic and why is this not a goal worth working towards.

    (3)
    You completely ducked out of answering my post #345. Can you explain that in light of the fact that this is the third time I have asked you to comment about it.

    If you require intellectual integrity then you should have no reason not to reply to these simple and straight forward counter assertions.

    Lets see if you can, even if the Congressional Democrats can not.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Poor Franny, I’m sorry I couldn’t validate your frantic and misplaced Republican propaganda, but it’d be futile and not worth the waste of my time to do so…

  • Clavos

    Got your ass kicked, in other words…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    No Clavos, I’ve just chosen not to waste my time on someone who is ovbiously closed-minded

  • Franco

    In the “you can’t make this up” department!

    A liberal who belittles a conservative’s view is “open-minded”. A conservative that defends himself against liberal personal attacks is “close-minded”. Figure that one out.

    Jet is a part of a large portion of the liberal population who refuses to believe facts. Instead, they choose to hide behind fallacies created to fit political agendas. This exhibits not only a decline of meaningful deliberation, this kind of unchecked fiction eats away at our democracy and the health of our nation.

    And as Jet has proved, they cant’ come into the arena of ideas and debate and win. So they have to belittle and attack us.

    For someone who hates Ann Coulter as much as Jet, he sure likes to prove her right a lot!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh oh oh he get me “It’s the big one ‘Lizabeth-I’m comin’ for you honey!!”!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Interesting!… I just learned that the executive order banning off-shore drilling was issued by….

    drum roll….

    George Bush Sr.

    Interesting!

  • Clavos

    “Interesting!… I just learned that the executive order banning off-shore drilling was issued by….

    drum roll….

    George Bush Sr.”

    …At the insistence of, and under heavy pressure from, the environmentalists and their lobbyists in DC, as well as his own brother, then governor of the Free State of Florida, who didn’t want the beaches fouled, but now we have Charlie Crist as governor, and we’d rather have the gas, thank you .

  • Clavos

    Correction. Jeb Bush, is, of course GHWB’s son, not brother.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I find it fascinating how you can justify the banning and then the lifting of the ban in the same sentence.

    If I’d done that, you’d be all over me.

    I’ve enjoyed your GOP Flip-flop tremendously.

    Leaving for another eye appointment. I just hope I can see the humor in that when I get home this afternoon.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh, by the way… Bush#1 issued the ban, then Clinton renewed it, then our present Pres. Bush allowed the ban to stay in place instead of rescinding, for the last 7+ years.

    But of course I know you’ll find some way to blame that on Clinton.

  • Clavos

    What “flip-flop?”

    He never wanted to ban the drilling; he was forced into it politically.

    Believe me, it wasn’t Republicans who wanted the drilling ban; that’s not a Republican stance.

  • Clavos

    “But of course I know you’ll find some way to blame that on Clinton.”

    Not Clinton; the Greens.

  • Franco

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Bush lifted an executive order banning offshore oil drilling on Monday and urged Congress to follow suit.

    “This means that the only thing standing between the American people and these vast oil reserves is action from the U.S. Congress,” Bush said.

    Sen. John McCain supportes offshore oil drilling.

    Sen. Barack Obama wants to keep the ban in place.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Franco that’s one of the most pathetic and obvious bait and switch cons I’ve seen in a long time. And if you think your assinine condescending-poor baby- attitude is working on me-or anyone else for that matter-you more pahetic than I think you are.

    Bush has been in office how long? Bush has been screaming for weeks now to get off-shore drilling, but DIDN’T EVEN RESCIND his own FATHER’S executive order AGAINST it until today.

    AND IT’S FUCKING BULLSHIT trying to assert the “greens” could influence the President of the United States and both fucking houses of Congress.

    Where the fuck was the problem two years ago when he had a REPUBLICAN congress? You’re lying thru you teeth if you think ANYONE believes that the bank failures, record oil profits and off shore drilling just now came up.

    B-U-L-L-SHIT… O excuse me BUSHIT.

    Blame everything on the Dems isn’t fooling anyone-especially the Amaerican pubilc.

    This problem didn’t just crop up you know, it’s been brewing for years and Bush hasn’t done anything about it because his budies in the oil industry were making a FORTUNE ib the American middle class’ backs.

    Now all of the sudden we have all these problems that have festered for year and he thinks he can get away with blaming a congress that’s only been power for less than two years.

    Your REPUBLICAN rantings are not fooling anyone, and posting manifestos on this article aren’t being read past the second or third paragraph.

    IT IS ASSHOLES LIKE YOU SPOUTING PRERECORDED BULLSHIT THAT KEEP ME FROM GOING BACK TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT I GREW UP WITH.

    you’re pathetic
    and you know it.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan Miller

    Jet,

    I disagree, but let’s assume for sake of argument that the fat cat oil companies are making obscene profits and that the wicked Bush cabal is at fault for not allowing off-shore drilling sooner — much sooner.

    What’s wrong with now?

    Dan

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dan, what’s wrong with now, is that solution would take (as many esperts have pointed out) more time-aprox 7-9 YEARS-than we have in this current crisis.

    I find it highly revealing and not the least bit hypocritical that you Bush supporters have the ignorant balls, unmittigated gual and voracity to lay blame on the Democrats for a problem that Bush and the GOP led congress haven’t been able to fix in nearly 8 years, and yet you sit there and blatantly and proudly boast that it’s perfectly all right to condemn The dems for not being able to fix the exact same problem in less than two.

    It’s no wonder every Oil company that Bush ran went broke.

    Blustering and name calling aren’t going to fix the problem, and you know it… it’s being recognized worldwide as just Bush’s standard and expected game of blaming everything on everyone else.

    I bet presidential handlers are fighting him like mad to keep him from humiliateing himself by going on the air and publicly praying for our great christian nation.

    And another thing, a tax cut will only put this country deeper in debt than we already are, so why not follow McCain-Bush’s lead and mortgage even more of our future to China in the form of big loans… Just like the Stimulous Checks that went right into our gas tanks and big Oil’s pockets.

    Bush can laugh at that-and with good reason, he won’t be in office to blame when the shit hits the fan.

    I guarentee the GOP is just praying the Democrats win this november because they sure’s hell don’t want to be blamed for it.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    As for Bush’s ignorance and timing, I bet he didn’t even know about his Father’s executive order before he started shooting his mouth off about it, and by then it was too late for his “handlers” to stop him. So he finally got around to canceling it days after he opened his self-righteous mouth.

    this nation would be much better is he’d go back to moving his lips silently while reading “My pet Goat” until the end of his term.

  • Clavos

    “is that solution would take (as many esperts have pointed out) more time-aprox 7-9 YEARS-than we have in this current crisis.”

    I (and others, including Dan) have carefully explained several times upthread why the length of time it will take is unimportant.

    In any case, as Dan asked, even (in fact, especially) if it takes 7-10 years, all the more reason to start drilling now. Or would you rather wait 10 years, until the crisis is a hundred times more severe, and then start drilling? For, drill we will, sooner or later.

    Sooner is better.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan Miller

    Jet,

    I find it highly revealing and not the least bit [??] hypocritical that you Bush supporters have the ignorant balls, unmittigated [sic] gual [sic] and voracity [sic?] to lay blame on the Democrats for a problem that Bush and the GOP led congress haven’t been able to fix in nearly 8 years, and yet you sit there and blatantly and proudly boast that it’s perfectly all right to condemn The dems for not being able to fix the exact same problem in less than two.

    I did not vote for President Bush; I voted against the other guy — an unfortunate necessity, but then there are lots of those. Please, do not refer to me as one of “you Bush supporters.” I am not. I don’t think he is as idiotic and venal as it is popular to believe that he is, but that’s quite a lot different from being a Bush supporter. A bit of heresy, perhaps, but still quite different.

    As to how long it would take to obtain meaningful results from drilling for oil starting now, it all depends on the meaning “meaningful.” I think that the market price would reflect it as soon as we got off the dime and started. On that, we can respectfully disagree, without shouting.

    Dan

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    And I have repeatedly-and patiently explained to you Clavos-FACT-GOD-DAMNED FACT-The oil companies took the time, did the studies, and successfully bid on oil leases THAT THEY’RE NOT USING… Thousands of oil leases that they haven’t even touched. EXISTING leases that could be drilled in a MATTER OF FUCKING MONTHS-AND NOT YEARS… So why haven’t they? And why are they trying to distract the American Public away from those TENS OF THOUSANDS of existing tracts by whining that they want more.

    Is it that the oil companies are waiting for us to get so desparate that the Government-our tax payer money will pay for the explorations and drilling for them=INSTEAD OF THEM SPENDIND THEIR OWN MONEY ON LEASES THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE???

    THEY DON’T NEED MORE they need do drill on those existing tracts that they have ALREADY GOTTEN possession of before they ask for more. THEY WOULDN’T HAVE FUCKING TAKEN POSSESSION OF THOSE TRACTS IF THEY DIDN’T THINK THEY’D PRODUCE. FACT-FACT THEY WON’T ANSWER AND YOU KEEP TRYING TO DISTRACT AWAY FROM-BECAUSE YOU CAN’T ANSWER IT EITHER.

    YOU DON’T NEED TO HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE TO UNDERSTAND THAT

    And frankly I’m tired of reading your trying to rationalize away that FACT. No matter how superior you think you and your intellect is to mine.

    I’ve been about as patient with you as I plan to be. AND I’M TREATING YOU WITH ABOUT AS MUCH RESPECT AS YOU’VE GIVEN ME.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dan-if you walk like a duck and you quack like a duck-you’re probably a duck.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    The repeated question is if the oil companies had all thoses untapped tracts, don’t you think that they’d be pumping it out of the ground instead of sitting on them?

    That’s exactly what they’re doing with all those unused tracts that they’ve leased and then left them untouched. They were promising or they never would’ve bid on them, so why aren’t they tapping them… especially when the majority of the work has already been done.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    And before you belittle my typos, I spent an hour with a needle stuck in my right eye this afternoon trying to save my sight, so I can’t proofread.

  • Clavos

    From a recent editorial in the New Hampshire Union Leader:

    Then there is Rep. Carol Shea-Porter’s pet policy: forcing oil companies to drill on land they already lease. Economists and oil industry experts have roundly criticized this proposal as completely useless. It would force oil companies to drill speculatively or where there is no or little oil — or into oil wells that are already tapped! Meanwhile, she refuses to let them access America’s largest untapped oil reserves.

  • bliffle

    Of course the oil companies are always in favor of opening up new oil fields, regardless of the state of existing oil fields. It’s called strategic planning.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Please don’t insult my intelligence-they spent millions maybe hundreds of millions to lease dry tracts?

    You KNOW as well as I do that a ton of money was spent before they bid on those tracts before they would sink their money into them and now you’re trying to convince me they’re all useless…

    using an EDITORIAL as your proof?

    an editorial?

    Just how stupid do you think I and the american public are?

  • Clavos

    “using an EDITORIAL as your proof?”

    Did I say “proof,” Jet? Just another opinion. One of many.

    “Just how stupid do you think…the american public are?”

    You mean the “booboisie?” You’re kidding, right?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    As expected.

    You know two people can listen to a debate and draw two completely different conclusions as to who won depending on their points of view.

    You and I can sit here and exchange angry, terse or sarcastic words ad nauseum and it won’t change a thing in terms of other’s thoughts or our own.

    This has become an act of futility on both or our parts and can only end in the destruction of what I assume is a friendship.

    I hope that doesn’t happen.

  • Franco

    #1 — Jet in Columbus

    “I hope that I, and all of us learn and grow with each comment made, toward understanding each other.

    Jets, comment in the very frist (1st) post in this thread.

    What he really ment to say was……

    “I hope that you, through everyting I say will learn and grow with each comment I make, or there will be no understanding each other”.

    Now, I don’t care if you believe what I am about to say or not, because only I have contral over my personal feelings and I do not extend them in fraud, nor do I expect anything back in return.

    I am truly sorry you are have having so much pain in your eye today. I hope it feels better soon.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Hmmmmm… if it’s the democrats’ fault for the price of oil going up, will the GOP give them credit now that the price is beginning to drop a little.

    “Hello boys and girls and welcome to my neighborhood… Can you say hypocrit? I knew you could!”

  • Franco

    “Hmmmmm… if it’s the democrats’ fault for the price of oil going up.”

    Jet, I do not know if you are on heavy medication due to you eye treatments. But no one is blaming the democrats for the market price of oil going up. We are only asking simple and strait forward questions.

    What are the Democrats doing about helping arrest it and take the pressure off, both short term, and long term. What assertive actions have then taken.

    Why are we asking this of the Congress? We are asking this for one very simple reason. THEY are the ones who are in power today, and they are the ones who have been in power since it has gone up 300% in the past two years.

    Who is to blame and what is being done about it are two completely different things and that has been clearly defined in this thread. Get it straight.

    Now here is another continuing example of Democratic leadership on this issue..

    Senator Barbara Boxer made this statement yesterday July 16, 2006

    “I maintain that when you have two oilmen in the White House for eight long years and you see gas prices go up 300%, to turn around to blame the Democrats in Congress just…doesn’t…wash.”

    First of all she missed the price incresce she refers to by 25%. It has gone up 400% not 300%.

    But here again, while no one is blaming them for the free market price of oil, why is she making that statement instead of offering up assertive planing for both the shot and long terms for the oil needs of America?

    I mean the very fact that they are not being blamed for it and yet thy make statements of denial and defenses of themselves over it, is suspeck in and of itself. Most importantly though, it’s insulting to the American people and thus the offices they hold in our name.

    Your statement above is not true today, but brother if THEY can not find a clear and decisive offensive attack plan, then you can bet your ass we are going to start blaming them in the not too distant future. If THEY let that avalanche start, the GOB will both hang on to and win seats come November and THEY will get run out of thier and rightfully so.

    I really don’t think the demarcates see this coming, but man it will be one hum dingier in the next few months. Obama could quite literally lose any chance he has for the White House over it. Its that bad.

    Can’t say you didn’t here it coming.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Gas prices were going up well before the dems took over congress and you know it. This crisis did NOT just happen.

  • Franco

    Since Bush took office 8 years ago, oil has gone up 400%. 300% has occurred in just the last 2 years. What do the democrats think should be done about this increase in the past two years, and what if anything have they tried to do?

    Do you know, because I don’t.

  • bliffle

    The much-maligned Carter administration succeeded in reducing USA consumption of oil 5% a year which busted the OPEC monopoly. The subsequent much-praised Reagan administration reversed that policy in favor of consumption and increased our dependence on foreign oil.

    Someone pointed out that Bush 1 sent armies to Kuwait to defend our oil source, employing tanks getting 1/2 mile to the gallon, shipped in carriers getting 17 feet to the gallon so that USA motorists would be spared driving 32 mpg cars.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Yeah, Carter reduced consumption! there were freaking gas shortages! Odd/even license plate days at gas stations…easy to reduce consumption when there’s nothing to consume!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    You want to drop oil prices INSTANTLY? Start pumping one of the richest oil reserves into the world market-Iraq’s. Didn’t we defeat them, don’t we have control of that country? I mean isn’t that why Bush killed over 2000 of our soldiers for?

    Everyone’s screaming off-shore drilling that’d take 7-10 years to get-Iraq is pumping now… isn’t it? where’s it going, and why aren’t we collecting the revenue Bush “implied” would pay for his misbegotten war?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    You know damned well why-Franco. Bush keeps threatening to invade Iran. Iran keeps threatening to shut off not only THEIR reserves but everyone else trying to get a tanker through the strait of Hermus or whatever the damned thing is called. No oil flowing out of the gulf.

    Bush SURGED our troops into Iraq, angering the Muslem world because there were more infedels in the holy land, angering the hell out of OPEC LAST YEAR.

    That’s just happened recently. Now, did the democratic congress cause that? You bet your fucking ass they didn’t.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Andy, Carter managed the crisis, he didn’t create it. A bunch of iranian students taking hostages created it.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Not very well Jet. The hostage taking didn’t cause the long lines and the odd even license plate deal…

    I remember reading a Newsweek article back when Carter was president, it said that the leader of China had called the USA a paper tiger….nice thing to read when you’re on active duty!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh really Andy? and what are our troops hearing about a president with record low approval ratings and international scorn?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    You know; only three out of ten people approve of the job Bush is doing, and they’re all here posting on this website.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I would imagine, like it was when I was in, they don’t really care what the people that aren’t in the military think.

    During the first gulf war nobody in the navy gave two turds what those not in the military thought, I’d bet that’s the way it now too!

    From what I can gather, retention rates are pretty good in the military right now…guess they like the way things are going, otherwise, they’d leave.

    What the troops hear and what they know are almost always two completely different things.

    I was in the military when your peanut farmer buddy was the pres, I was embarrassed and sometimes scared to wear my uniform until Uncle Ronnie became president!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Retention rates are high because they know they don’t have a job to come home to.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Yeah that’s right, that’s the only reason folks join or re-enlist in the military these days, ’cause they can’t do anything else. Same reason I stayed for twenty, not for love of country or anything like that, it’s because all us military types are to stupid to do anything else.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I’d say part of it is promises that they wouldn’t bo into combat, and instead would be station in Germany or Kuwait fixing “more fragile than we thought” Humvees and shot-up trucks.

    The promises that their familis would be taken care of.

    the promises of a college education.

    On nephew worked in Germany for two years, of course he reenlisted… until he was shipped to Iraq. No reup then.

    Another nephew was in Air Force Intelligence working on AWAKs and refueling planes, he left after he was suddenly reassigned.

    Wrapping yourself in the flag is one thing, following an idiot commander in chief into battle is something else.

    The only thing that troop surge was good for was to anger the whole region even more than they already were, and now they’re threatening to cut off our oil, which is why oil is going through the roof, because we don’t know when Iran is going to cut the supply from the gulf by threatening to destroy any tanker trying to leave it… which is NOT a democratic congress’ fault, it lays squarely on Bush’s arogant shoulders.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    No use talking to you on this one Jet, you have your mind made up…have fun with it…you’re right, everything is bush’s fault.

    I give up!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Around 40 percent of global oil shipments leave the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz off Iran’s southern coast and Tehran has threatened to impose controls on shipping there if it is attacked.

    Intensified threats by the US and Israel against Iran helped push oil to a record over $147 a barrel on Friday.

    “If there is a threat in our region this will not be just against our exports,” Mohammad Ali Khatibi told Reuters in a telephone interview.

    “It will affect other producers, not just Iran. I mean the oil exporters Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. Any problem from the United States or Israel to the region would be a threat to 40 percent of all the world’s traded oil.”

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    What part of #419 escaped you Andy? Bush’s threats against Iran are what drove record high oil prices. That quote is right out of Iran’s collective mouths?

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Speculation and higher demand are what drive prices up, not bush!

    Yeah, the president of iran, I’d try to spell his name but I can’t, said there are no gays in iran either…you believe that too???

    No, you only believe people that tell you bush is the devil and he’s responsible for everything wrong in the world. it has nothing to do with radical islamists all over the world, it’s all bush’s fault!

    I’m not defending the guy, I’m not a big fan, but the worlds ills are not all his fault!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh-I understand now-High oil prices are the fault of oil speculation and increased demand… not the democratic congress?

    Somehow I thought that’s how this argument started?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh, it’s okay to constantly repeatedly be blaming the democratic congress (who have complete control over the world market) for high oil prices… because they’re the evildoers?…

    But not the President of the United States.

    … and Since the U.S. and Bush’s surge are so successful in controling Iraq, then the U.S. (being in charge and all) can’t get the grateful Iraqi government to instantly release Iraq’s crude onto the market lowering worldwide prices becauuuuuuuuuuuuse?

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    You’re right, I blame the congress for everything!

    Probably becauuuuuuuuuuuse it’s their oil and we or the president you want to blame for everything or the congress that I blame for everything have no say in what Iraq does with their own natural resources.

    No you got testy with me because I bad mouthed an apparent hero of yours…Jimmy Carter! Whatever happened to Billy Beer anyway???

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    July 15 (Bloomberg) — Libya, North Africa’s largest oil producer, will cut output by 5.7 percent because of pipeline maintenance, trimming supplies at a time of near-record prices.

    The repairs will shut down 100,000 barrels a day of production this week, Shokri Ghanem, the country’s top oil official, said in telephone interview today. Libya has already idled Total SA’s 75,000 barrel-a-day al-Jurf field after a drilling accident in May.

    Lower production from Libya will lessen the impact of a 200,000 barrel-a-day production increase announced by Saudi Arabia in June in an attempt to reduce prices that reached a record $147.27 in New York last week. Iraq said today it had cut oil exports because of domestic demand and power shortages.

    `Saudi Arabia’s oil supply increase has already gone to Asia and these barrels are probably aimed at Europe,” said Ehsan Ul-Haq, head of research at Vienna-based consultancy JBC Energy GmbH. With Iraqi “supplies already cut, it could mean Mediterranean supplies become tighter,” he said.

    Libya, Africa’s third-largest producer behind Angola and Nigeria, produced 1.74 million barrels a day of crude oil in June, according to Bloomberg estimates.

    Al-Jurf Repairs

    Repairs to al-Jurf may take another month, said Ghanem, who heads Libya’s National Oil Corp. The latest 100,000 barrel-a-day reduction is caused by work to a gas pipeline, he said.

    “That’s a pipeline for associated gas that links the Waha and Defa oil fields, it will remain shut for three or four weeks because of maintenance,” Ghanem said in a telephone interview today from Tripoli. “If we don’t reduce production, we would be obliged to flare the gas.”

    The Libyan official stood by his forecast last month that crude would reach $150 a barrel before the end of the summer. Political tension in the Middle East and the decline of the U.S. dollar against the euro will support prices, he said.

    Crude oil futures fell as much as 6.4 percent to $135.92 a barrel in New York trading today.

    Iraq, holder of the Persian Gulf’s third largest oil reserves, has reduced Kirkuk-grade crude exports to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan below 400,000 barrels a day.

    Kirkuk exports have dropped as Iraq redirects crude oil to the 310,000 barrels-a-day Baiji refinery, north of Baghdad, an oil ministry official, who declined to be identified for security reasons, said in a phone interview today.

    Wow! The Democrats are responsible for a $10 drop in crude prices today!… even though supplies are dropping! Them’s some powerful guys, they can raise and lower oil prices at will!

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    You keep making it sound like someone here is blaming the dems. Where and who?

    The question does need to be asked though, what is the democrat plane to fix this problem? Or is there one at all. Some folks think that we need these high prices. They’ve had control of the congress for a couple of years now and they’ve accomplished absolutely nothing! It’s not like they’re passing new legislation every day and bush is vetoing everything they send his way. THEY’RE NOT DOING ANYTHING at all!

    All I keep hearing from Pelosi and Reid is, “We can’t drill our way out of this!” Fine, we can’t drill our way out of it, but we can’t talk our way out of it either!

    It’s always easy to blame it on somebody, it’s never easy to come up with a fix that will work. What is the democrat plan, better yet, is there a democrat plan?

    I know, instead of a chicken in every pot, let’s make it, a hybrid in every garage!

    Supplies are dropping, but so is comsumption. I just read this morning somewhere that demand is down more than 3% from the same time last year in the US…of course, that’s got to be because of some magical thing the congress did…right? Because we know this president is to stupid to do anything right. Anything good that’s happened on his watch has to have been an accident. It really gets old….really.

    The dumbest motherfucker on the face of the earth managed to get elected the most powerful man on the planet. What a fucking moron he must be!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Plain and simple:

    FACT-Around 40 percent of global oil shipments leave the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz off Iran’s southern coast and FACT-Tehran has threatened to impose controls on shipping there if it is attacked. Those threats are what’s causing the world to worry about the oil supply being curtailed or cut off by IRAN-driving the price up because FACT-countries like the U.S. are hoarding oil in their “Strategic Oil Reserves” just in case-and not releasing it to the world market.

    Bush keeps threatening to attack Iran. WHAT PART OF THAT SENTENCE DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?

    Cause and effect…

    I was being sarcastic in giving credit to the dems, because every piece of “GOP logic” blaming them, can also be turned against them.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Just today Bush announced he wanted to send diplomats to Iran… but not to their government-no-to the disadents that want to destabilize Iran’s government.

    I agree Iran is part of the problem, and I like them even less than you do Andy, but that moron (as you say) apparently can’t figure out that if you’re going to make a move to destabilize a foreign government YOU DON’T ISSUE A PRESS RELEASE BEFORE HAND SAYING YOU’RE GOING TO DO IT!!!

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    FACT – Tehran can’t control it’s own people, you really believe with all the US warships in the gulf right now they’d have any say in what goes through the straights of Hormuz? If they did, they would have stopped us a long time ago. They have no navy to speak of…so how are they gonna do it? They had two kilo class subs, but they sunk one! guess they left the screen door open, dumb asses!

    FACT – most of what comes out of the pres of Irans mouth is empty rhetoric. Amazing that you believe he’ll stop all traffic in the gulf, but I bet you don’t believe there are no gays in Iran?!??!

    FACT – the US always has stockpiles of oil in the oil reserves, it’s nothing new. They’ve been doing it since 1975. As a matter of fact, they’ve actually suspended the 70,000 barrels a day that usually goes in to the reserve.

    And don’t give me any terrorist crap, because since the Cole, nothing gets close to the big gray things over there…just ask the Egyptians, the last small boat that tried to approach a US warship cost at least one person their life.

    But hey, everybody hates bush, so I hear that allah is sending a hurricane right into downtown DC, something else to blame on bush!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Iran threatens to set Israel ablaze as fears grow of US-backed war

    Iran says it will choke off western oil supplies through the Strait of Hormuz, even though it would be badly affected through lost exports Picture: AFP

    By MICHAEL THEODOULOU
    IRAN has issued a strident warning that it would “set on fire” Israel and target the US navy in the Persian Gulf as its first response to any American attack over its nuclear programme.
    Rising tension in the area where Iran and the United States are both carrying out military exercises have contributed to driving oil prices to record highs.

    Bizarrely, the sabre-rattling and psychological warfare conducted by both sides comes against the backdrop of an ongoing diplomatic initiative to resolve the Iranian nuclear crisis.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I’m resenting facts as reported in the world press-you’re presenting opinions. Read #430 again.

    Whether Iran can do it in your opinion is not the issue. That Iran is THREATENING to do it had the world market on edge. If Iran starts something, they won’t be alone, the whole middle east will join in and that includes a sizable threat from Syria.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I’m leaving this for a while, maybe a long while. My last ditch effort/offer to Huntington Bank was to hand them $1,500 that I was going to use for a down payment in order to extend the lease on my car for another five months @299.83 a month, which was the amount the lease was for.

    They refused to take my money up front.

    I’ve tried everything else, nothing works. I’m going to have to take some time to get over this…

  • Franco

    #426 — Andy Marsh

    “You keep making it sound like someone here is blaming the dems. Where and who?”

    Andy, I made almost the exact same comment to Jet in post #403

    “No one is blaming the democrats for the market price of oil going up. We are only asking simple and strait forward questions. What are the Democrats doing about helping arrest it and take the pressure off, both short term, and long term. What assertive actions have then taken?

    Why are we asking this of the Congress? We are asking this for one very simple reason. THEY are the ones who are in power today, and they are the ones who have been in power since it has gone up 300% in the past two years.

    Who is to blame and what is being done about it are two completely different things and that has been clearly defined in this thread. Get it straight.”

    Andy, Jet will not respond to your comment, or mine, which both confirm to him (plane and simple) that no one is blaming the Demarcates for high oil prices in this thread. Why will he not except this?

    Jet will not touch either of our statements because, if he acknowledges this simple fact he has no smoke screen left to stand on in spinning his way out of answering our questions.

    In other words, if he excepted our statements he would be faced with answering what the Democrats are doing about the 300% increase in oil in just the last 2 years.

    And there is a very good reason he does not what to answer that.

    So he has to conger up this faults logic in basing his whole argument on the fallacy we are blaming the Democrat’s for these high oil prices, even though not one poster in this thread has done that.

    The more we try to make this clear to him the more he has to spin it away with emotional ranting and raving about anything else.

    It would appear at this point, he has gone off the cliff into the emotionally illogic abyss to the degree he can not recover. In fact that is part of the problem now, as he has put himslef in this corner and left himself no way out.

    I for one hope he can pull out of it. It would be nice to see a Democrate truthfully answer this question. Becasue the hell bound train is coming.

    Democrats sputtering on energy Running on empty

  • Franco

    Corrected link – Democrats sputtering on energy Running on empty

    The hell bound election train.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Apparently you haven’t heard any of Bush’s speeches lately or watched the news.

    Bush blames Congress for rise in oil prices
    AP
    Published: July 12, 2008, 13:51

    Washington: US President George W. Bush on Saturday tried to pin the blame on Congress for soaring energy prices and said lawmakers need to lift long-standing restrictions on drilling for oil in pristine lands and offshore tracts believed to hold huge reserves of fuel.

    “It’s time for members of Congress to address the pain that high gas prices are causing our citizens,” the president said. “Every extra dollar that American families spend because of high gas prices is one less dollar they can use to put food on the table or send a child to college. The American people deserve better.”

    With gasoline prices above $4 a gallon, Bush and his Republican allies think Americans are less reluctant to allow drilling offshore and in an Alaska wildlife refuge that environmentalists have fought successfully for decades to protect. Nearly half the people surveyed by the Pew Research Centre in late June said they now consider energy exploration and drilling more important than conservation, compared with a little over a third who felt that way only five months ago. The sharpest shift in attitude came among political liberals.

    Democrats say they are for drilling, but argue that oil companies aren’t going after the oil where they already have leases. So why open new, protected areas? they ask. Democrats say there are 68 million acres of federal land and waters where oil and gas companies hold leases, but aren’t producing oil.

    But Bush said Democrats were at fault and that “Americans are increasingly frustrated with Congress’ failure to take action.”

    HOW MAN TIMES DO i HAVE TO QUOTE THIS FROM HOW FUCKING MANY SOURCES. ARE YOU EVEN READING THIS SHIT, OR JUST TRYING TO DISTRACT AWAY FROM IT?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    But then again the Associated Press is probably wrong and misquoted him.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I tell you what: just skim the underlined text and ask me again whose blaming the democrats!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Bush said Democrats were at fault and that “Americans are increasingly frustrated with Congress’ failure to take action.”

    What part of the above don’t you understand?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    …Washington: US President George W. Bush on Saturday tried to pin the blame on Congress for soaring energy prices

    Exactly what part of the above don’t you understand?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I’m not touching your statements Franco, because they’re wrong-despite the evidence of you own eyes.

    CNN, Associated Press, The Washington Post even fucking Fox News have reported his statement. OR ARE THEY ALL WRONG and that TV news story was faked and Bush hasn’t said that repeatedly

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    I believe the “You keep making it sound like someone here is blaming the dems.” was in reference to Jet perhaps saying that Andy and Franco are blaming Democrats for high gas prices, not President Bush.

    Next time, Jet, try not to look like this guy.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    No one:
    Dan:Meanwhile, as the problem worsens, the refusal of the Democrats to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the Republicans have a modicum of good sense and public interest at heart, combined with the refusal of the Republicans to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the Democrats have a modicum of good sense and public interest at heart, leave us in a real pickle. Of course, neither may have any of these attributes, in which event using pickles for fuel may be the only viable solution.

    Andy:
    It’s always easy to blame it on somebody, it’s never easy to come up with a fix that will work. What is the democrat plan, better yet, is there a democrat plan?
    and
    Corrected link – Democrats sputtering on energy Running on empty

    ————————
    Franco implies it with no amount of subtlty:
    Democrats understand that oil prices will drop – perhaps a lot – if the United States announces that we’re opening up ANWR, the Florida Gulf Coast, the outer continental shelf, the oil shale lands out west and other areas to oil exploration and recovery.

    Democrats also know that the voters in this country have this nasty tendency to blame – or credit – the party controlling the White House for good and bad economic news. Democrats won’t do anything that might allow the Republicans to look good … even if you have to pay five bucks a gallon for gas.
    —————————

  • Franco

    Andy, I would like to add one more thing.

    Its not just Jet using this fallacy argument to spin out of answering the question.

    Take a look today at every comment coming from all the Demarcates in the House and Senate in any news media you want. They are all making the same argument as Jet so they do not have to answer the question of what they have been, or plan on doing about it.

    It would be comical if it wasn’t of such national critical importance.

    We, the American taxpayers are paying them a salary so they do not have to worry about an income so they can go about the important tasks of securing this nation. We did not force them into taking those job, the asked us, literally begged us for it.

    When we ask them about what they are doing about our current energy crisis, all they come back with is, “it’s not our fault”.

    Where else in the USA can you get a job and hold on to it and get paid for passing the buck when you are in charge of fixing the problem yourself?

    Outstanding leadership examples, aren’t they?

    And they want MORE of our tax dollors*$*@!!?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    #442 folks

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Read #442 and 435 and then shut up… those following this but not participating will be interested as to who resembles your picture Suss.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh and Bush sitting in an elementary school during an attack on the U.S. reading “my Pet Goat” is a sterling example of leadership?

  • bliffle

    Another ignoramus name Andy comes into play. Are these guys just utterly ignorant or simply to lazy to check the facts?

    #407 — July 17, 2008 @ 07:32AM — Andy Marsh [URL]

    Yeah, Carter reduced consumption! there were freaking gas shortages! Odd/even license plate days at gas stations…easy to reduce consumption when there’s nothing to consume!

    The Nixon/Ford mob were in office from 1972-76 when we had the OPEC shortages (1973-4). Carter was in from 1976-1980. He reduced consumption by a combination of citizen voluntarism and slowly increasing mileage requirements.

    All that bad stuff preceded Carter and was in the Nixon/Ford administration.

    Carter even put solar collectors on the White House, though the guy who followed him (what was his name again?) removed the solar as well as a lot of other things.

  • Franco

    Jet, what have the Congressional Demicrates done at anything during the past 2 years to help ease oil prices?

    A simple question, will you please answer it?

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    I read in your link that Bush is blaming the Democrats .. yes. Bush, to the best of my knowledge doesn’t comment here.

    Your clips of others commenting criticize the Dems for things they do, and it’s open to interpretation, I guess, but I don’t see anywhere in those comments that “it’s the Democrats fault that prices are going up.”

    “shut up.”

    Wow. Really? That’s your response? Um, no, you shut up.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    No because you refuse to respond to 435 or 442 because you can’t so you use infantile distractions hoping no one will notice you can’t answer them.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    “No because you refuse to respond to 435 or 442″

    Completely accurate if, y’know, you ignore the first 75% of my last comment.

    But I will say this. Just because I peruse Google News and Wikipedia about rising gas prices doesn’t make me an expert on this, so I won’t pretend to be one.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    @ #448:

    What’s a Demicrate?

    Half man, half packing case?

  • Franco

    Jet sez…….”No because you refuse to respond to 435 or 442 because you can’t so you use infantile distractions hoping no one will notice you can’t answer them”.

    OK Jet, lets take um one at a time. First #435

    First, please note also that in your comment #436, you also refered to #435 in saying…….

    “But then again the Associated Press is probably wrong and misquoted him.”

    Jet, I don’t know if AP misquoted him or not, but that is not even the point. What you posted they quoted him as saying is exactly what every opponent you have in this thread are saying.

    Let carfully re-read what you posted and at what you say that AP quoted Bush as saying.

    “It’s time for members of Congress to address the pain that high gas prices are causing our citizens,” the president said.

    There is no blame for high oil prices on Congressional Demarcates in that statement, none, sip, zero, zilch.

    In fact, there is not blame going on at all, instead it is a Presidential battle cry to Congress! He is saying get in he game “its time for Congress to address high gas prices”

    If you do not agree, then kindly show us the words within his quoted statement that he has blamed Congressional Demecrates. Show us those words Jet!

    He is asking, just as we are asking, because we are all counting on them to offer up some “real world” solutions.

    As I said in a previous post, it is not all the the Demarcates fault today, but brother it sure is going to be tomorrow unless they can not get in this fight and help come up with “real world” solutions, both short term, and long term.

    The Demarcates so far have responded to this nationl battle cry with…….

    um……..it’s not our fault!

    That’s not national leadership nor is it a “real world” solution, wouldn’t you agree?

    If you don’t agree, kindly explain to me how that answer constitutes the national leadership we need at this critical time. I want to hear that argument.

  • Franco

    Qute Doc, but you might be on to something there in a reference to when certain human members of a group get crated up and shipped out!

    Demicrate um all!

  • Franco

    Doc, while you humor my spelling of Demicrate (which I enjoyed, thank you), how about responding to the heart of question itself. Maybe you can help either Jet or I get an answer to it.

    The heart of the unanswered question is: What specificly have the Congressional Democrats constructivly done at helping ease oil prices,short and long term, that have gone up 300% in just the past 2 years?

    Doc, you have shown in the past that your greatest strength is when you narrow the focus of your insights onto a specific element of an issue.

    My question is elementry and very specific. Care to venture in?

  • troll

    …I blame the democrats

    (Matthew – stop picking on the clinically depressed legally blind guy before he starts yelling again)

  • Clavos

    Ah, troll…

    I always (well, most always) enjoy your bons mots injected into one of these heated strings…

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Ignoramus I may be…what I’m not is a pompous ass like you seem to be bliffle.

    There never was a shortage, there was price fixing by the govt that created artificial shortages. And I know damned well there were lines at the gas stations during Carters administration because I didn’t start driving until then and I waited in them.

    Carter didn’t do shit, he is easily the worst president of my lifetime. Wow, solar panels on the whitehouse, in that era, what did they do, save $4 a month on the electric bill? I bet he’s Al Gore’s hero!

    And I didn’t just come along, I’ve been here for 4 years.

    Love all you people that love to call people names but don’t have the gonads to put your real name on here.

  • bliffle

    Marsh,

    Only a pompous ass tries to defend his ignorance with childish recollection. Read it and weep

    OPEC Oil Embargo, 1973-1974

    The OPEC Oil Embargo, which lasted from October 1973 to March 1974, posed a major threat to the U.S. economy. Moreover, the Nixon Administration’s efforts to address the effects of the embargo ultimately presented the United States with many foreign policy challenges.

    During the October 1973 Arab-Israeli War, the Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) announced an embargo against the United States in response to the U.S. decision to re-supply the Israeli military during the war.

    The Nixon Administration also began a parallel set of negotiations with OPEC members to end the embargo, and with Egypt, Syria, and Israel to arrange an Israeli pull back from the Sinai and the Golan Heights. By January 18, 1974 Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had negotiated an Israeli troop withdrawal from parts of the Sinai. The promise of a negotiated settlement between Israel and Syria was sufficient to convince OPEC members to lift the embargo in March 1974. By May, Israel agreed to withdraw from the Golan Heights.

    So Nixon caved in and got Israel to withdraw to save the US oil supply.

    But it was the oft-disparaged Jimmy Carter who later negotiated a lasting peace between Israel and Egypt, two most bitter enemies, that lasts to this day. The only mideast peace to last so long.

    It was also the oft-disparaged Carter who pronounced the menace of foreign oil dependence.

    You need to read something besides those partisan neo-con rags that you study every week.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I don’t read…neocon or liberal stuff…I only read BC.

    I really don’t care what links you show me, I know that I personally had to wait in line for gas and I didn’t start driving my own car until 77 or 78.

    I’m not defending my ignorance, I enjoy being ignorant, it pisses you liberals off. Most pompous asses like you think people like me are ignorant anyway. So what’s the sense of arguing it…you’re right, I’m ignorant.

  • bliffle

    Thank you for explaining both your ignorance and pomposity in one phrase:

    “I don’t read…neocon or liberal stuff…I only read BC.”

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Just for you…the fact that you’re gullible enough to believe it, or to respond as if you really do, is proof of what a pompous ass you really are!

    But then again, folks need look no further than all your comments here at BC to know that without me telling them.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Franco @ comment # 455 said

    The heart of the unanswered question is: What specificly have the Congressional Democrats constructivly done at helping ease oil prices,short and long term, that have gone up 300% in just the past 2 years?

    and challenged me to answer.

    Sorry to have taken so long in getting back to you, Franco. By the time I saw it, it had been half-buried under subsequent comments. But here goes nothing.

    I must say that your question is somewhat loaded. The price of oil has gone up 300%, so by default nothing constructive has been done, either by the Congressional Democrats or by anyone else.

    That said, I always feel that the first place to start looking for hay is the horse’s mouth. So, in that vein, here are a couple of things the Democrats in Congress have been doing to try and get oil and gas prices down.

    in the House
    in the Senate

    Whether or not you agree that these initiatives have been or will be efficacious, it at least shows that some effort is being made.

  • bliffle

    A guy might be excused for thinking that after electing oilmen for POTUS and VP that, in spite of them screwing the economy and getting the USA entangled in a hopeless foreign war 10,000 miles away, they would at least be able to assure a stable oil supply!

  • bliffle

    McCain is bucking for more offshore oil drilling and claiming that storms and hurricanes are No Problem, but…

    Offshore drilling and storms

    Sen. John McCain says at every campaign stop that offshore oil drilling is safe, playing down the risk of environmental accidents, even when faced with the power of a hurricane.

    “I’m aware that off the coast of Louisiana and Texas there are oil rigs, as we well know, and those rigs have survived, very successfully, the impacts of hurricanes, Hurricane Katrina, as far as Louisiana’s concerned,” McCain said at a town hall in Michigan last week.

    In an energy speech recently, McCain said that: “As for offshore drilling, it’s safe enough these days that not even Hurricanes Katrina and Rita could cause significant spillage from the battered rigs off the coasts of New Orleans and Houston.”

    In fact, Katrina and Hurricane Rita caused damage to oil rigs and storage facilities in the Gulf, according to press reports and government studies.

    The hurricanes totally destroyed 113 oil rigs, according to the government’s Minerals Management Service, and damaged 457 pipelines. The resulting oil spills were large enough to be seen from space, according to several reports.

    A review by the Houston Chronicle reported that the two storms in the summer of 2005 caused 595 oil spills that released an estimated 9 million gallons of oil into the gulf, much of that from oil storage facilities on the shores. The government said there were a total of 146 small oil spills in federal waters caused by the storms.

    There’s more.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Now Bliff, come on, what’s more reasonable, drilling out or our nation’s problems or some dumb sea turtle you’ve never seen before and a few oily beaches?

    Let’s be reasonable?

    That’s seven years in the future, worry about it when it happens…

    Please note a hint of sarcasm here…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    As for the right winger amnesiacs bemoaning this congress, a reminder appears necessary…

    2006 CNN polls showed that as many as seventy-one percent of Americans disapproved of the job the GOP-led Congress was doing. The overall feeling toward the GOP-led Congress appeared to be one of frustration with both houses being fixated with passing legislation imposing strict Taliban-style religious morals instead of addressing our country’s more pressing problems.

    This was the political party that had repeatedly swept into office on campaign promises of shrinking the government and limiting its powers over us. Instead we found our representatives concentrating on subpoenaing comatose Terri Schiavo, repeated failed and fevered legislation against gay marriage, quietly giving President Bush a blanket pardon for war crimes he hadn’t committed yet(?), freedom fries, and an obsession bordering on fetish with flag burning.

    More pressing issues such as illegal immigration, Social Security, affordable health care, and a vanishing middle class had all taken a back seat, or worse been only given lip service… and a 700-mile fence to protect thousands of miles of border with Mexico.

    On campaign promises of balanced budgets, there were millions of dollars constantly added to legislation that had nothing to do with the projects they were intended for (pork), Alaskan bridges to nowhere and $20 million of an out of control federal budget had already been set aside by this Congress for the War in Iraq victory celebrations?

    The voting public became more and more outraged with revelations of the NSA spying on people without warrants, and our phone and financial records being examined without regulation. This Congress had even succeeded in rewriting the War Powers Act and found a way to legislate around the Geneva Conventions.

    States were so frustrated with this congress that they resorted to raising the minimum wage on their own, because the U.S. Congress wouldn’t do it. Our national debt in the year 2000 was $20 Trillion. According to the Government Accountability Office and taking into account unfounded liabilities such as Medicare and Social Security, at the end of last fiscal year our national debt was at $43 trillion and climbing in 2006.

    Of course we won’t mention the Republican congressmen caught in gay sex scandals…

  • Clavos

    “There’s more.”

    Yes, there certainly is, and shame on you for not quoting this, blittle:

    A McCain spokesman said the oil rigs destroyed by the firms represented a small percentage of the thousands in the gulf, and noted that a government report concluded that “No shoreline or wildlife impacts were noted from these spills.” He said the senator’s comments about the lack of serious environmental problems were entirely consistent with the facts.

    “Senator McCain is exactly right, offshore oil facilities in the Gulf of Mexico stood up astoundingly well to the hurricanes. Of the 4,000 oil facilities in the Gulf of Mexico, relatively few sustained damage. According to the U.S. government’s official report on the effect of Hurricane Rita and Katrina, ‘no shoreline or wildlife impacts were noted from … spills,'” McCain spokesman Taylor Griffin said. McCain advisers also said that government reports say offshore drilling remains very safe, with a 99.999% safety record.

    It’s also worth noting that what the government (yes folks, the same government that pays $600 for hammers) classifies officially as an “oil spill,” can be as small as the slightly oily water from a small pleasure boat’s bilge; an amount which merely causes a sheen on the water in a boat slip (a couple of teaspoons worth of oil in several gallons of water), and still be considered an “oil spill,” incurring as much as a $15,000 fine.

    The new rigs McCain and others are stumping for are slated for a field 150 miles from the nearest land, Florida’s west coast.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Clavos-that’s about as dumb as saying that only a few thousand people out of hundreds of millions last year were killed in auto crashes because they weren’t wearing seatbelts… therefore because of that very low percentage, the U.S. Government should stop mandating that new cars come equipped with them

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I’ll also tack on the fact that the price of gas at the pump during the last GOP-led congress had doubled during the tenure…

  • bliffle

    I reduced the bulk of my quoted material by quoting the facts and leaving out the offhand evaluation of an unnamed “McCain Spokesman”, none of whose qualifications were stated.

    Clavos did some shameful editing by leaving this out :

    McCain had planned to tour oil rigs off the coast of Louisiana tomorrow as he visited with Gov. Bobby Jindal, a rising political star who is rumored to be on McCain’s short list to be the vice presidential nominee. The campaign canceled the trip late Wednesday, saying the threat of Hurricane Dolly in the Gulf made a helicopter ride to the rig impossible.

    It may not have helped things that a 600-foot tanker loaded with oil and a barge collided Wednesday in the Mississippi River in New Orleans, leaving a 12-mile long oil slick in the river and closing a 29-mile stretch of the river.

    Television stations reported the stench of diesel fuel wafting across the French Quarter.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    It seems to me that we’re mentally and intellectually trapped in a futile game here that on one can win. No one is going to win over anyone else’s point of view, so it comes down to who can come up with the best debate zinger to impress our imaginary audiences…

    We can occasionally injure each other’s friendship, but what are we really accomplishing?

    to quote the computer from “War Games”…

    “Strange game… the only winning move is not to play?”

    None of us will stop playing, of course, but will any of us really win? Somehow I doubt it, because none of us will ever concede defeat out of ego and arrogance….

    But of course that’s only my opinion…

  • Pinwheel

    Who cares who’s to blame. What are we going to do about it. From my viewpoint, there are 2 or 3 options. Sell your car, buy a bike and take mass transit. Drive less or buy an electric car or a car powered by hydrogen. And option 3 is buy a pair of comfortable Nike’s and get ready for some walking. Since all of these options are out of the question for me, I decided to try and do something about it. While looking around, I stumbled across GasBankUSA, located at http://www.gasbankusa.com. The site talks about fixed price gasoline and locking in at a fixed price. An interesting concept and a little better than my magic 8 ball which continually tells me “try again later” everytime I ask it where are gas prices going OR will gas prices continue to rise. Looking through this site, it looks like a way to take control over something we had no control over in the past.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    But… But Pinwheel, if we just wait patiently, we’ll have more oil than what we’ll know what to do with in about eight years!

    Just ask Andy, Dan and Clavos!

  • bliffle

    But in a few years we’ll be suffering from an oil glut engendered by shifts to alternate energy and conservation. That’s what happened in the 70s after the OPEC embargo: conservation reduced US consumption so much it created an oil glut. If we had kept up on all the good plans that were developed then we would never have had this problem.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Indeed Blifle, Indeed… But seriously, you should know better than to make sense here…

    What’re you trying to do; set a precedent?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Where have I been? Redesigning my blogsites so they’re mor organized. I’ve designed individual custom banners for each subject and put everything into six sub-sites, News and views, my diary, Politics, Science, Gay Pride and of course my completed Brokeback Mountain novel, filling in the rest of Ennis’ life get’s its own custom site.

    Now I don’t have to send out those mass letters anymore, if you want to know the latest news, just click my URL and then check the new table of contents that covers all the sites in one place.

    As for those of you who kept asking for it, thanks for your patience, I hope you like the new artwork…

    Jet

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    What’s the sense of publishing from the preview window, if it refuses to cooperate? I keep getting INTERNET EXPLORER CAN NOT DISPLAY PAGE, so you don’t know if it actually went through, and if you click refresh, you get a blank preview window that tells you nothing????

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaargh!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    HOUSTON — Exxon Mobil, the world’s largest publicly traded oil company, reported on Thursday its best quarterly profit in history, but investors sold off shares in morning trading after expecting even higher earnings because of soaring oil and natural gas prices.

    Record earnings for the world’s largest publicly traded oil company have become almost as predictable as the surge of gasoline prices at the pump in recent years, and for the second quarter income rose 14 percent, to $11.68 billion.

    It was the highest quarterly profit ever for any American company, as Exxon made nearly $90,000 a minute.

    Such profits have made Exxon Mobil a target of politicians in recent years, propelling calls for windfall profits taxes to finance research and development for renewable fuels to replace oil.

    The principal reason for the company’s banquet of riches is rising fuel prices. Crude oil prices in the second quarter averaged more than $124 a barrel, 91 percent higher than the same quarter in 2007, according to Oppenheimer & Company. Natural gas prices averaged $10.80 per thousand cubic feet, up 43 percent from the quarter a year ago

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Earlier in London, Royal Dutch Shell, Europe’s largest oil company, reported a 33 percent increase in second-quarter profit on Thursday, helped by a higher oil price even as production declined.

    Like a smaller rival, BP, earlier this week, Shell profited from higher oil prices, , but a 13 percent drop from a record on July 11 raised some concern among investors about whether oil companies can keep up the pace of earnings growth. BP said earlier this week that higher oil prices have started to affect consumer demand for gasoline.

    Shell’s profit rose to $11.56 billion from $8.67 billion in the period a year ago. BP reported a 28 percent increase in profit earlier this week and the Italian oil company Eni said on Thursday that profit in the second quarter rose 52 percent.

    …I wonder if Shell wants to drill off the coast of Maine?

  • bliffle

    One might hope that at least the US government would reduce the subsidies it hands out to oil companies, but …

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    It’s called grabbing every buck they can from the American consumer while they still have a president that’ll let them not only get away with it, but helps them along with stimulus checks from the government that they know will go right into their gas tanks.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    YOU PEOPLE ARE BEING SCAMMED!!!

    I mean really, if off-shore drilling is so damned fire crucial to our nation, why did Geroge Bush lift the executive ban on it only last month???

    If it’s all the democrat’s fault, why didn’t the 12-year reign of the GOP in congress do the same thing???
    WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE FOR HEAVEN’S SAKE.

    The GOP and Bush are trying to distract the American voter away from making them answer those two important questions?

  • bliffle

    If the OCS moratorium is repealed then the oil derived from the new OCS wells will be free of royalties to the US government. Huh? That’s because they will not be considered new leases but rather old leases subject to the peculiar 1998-99 ‘oversight’ that exempts oil companies from about $1.2billion per year in royalties, and is expected to cost USA taxpayers $60billion.

    “Oversight”? I smell corruption. Do you?

    Only 45% of those royalty exemptions go to US oil companies. 55% go to foreign oil companies.

    Only about 1/3 of the drilled oil will go to the US market. Is that what you want? Oil to benefit foreign countries like China? Haven’t we done enough for them?

    So, if we drill the OCS then the US taxpayer will be deprived of royalties, most of the royalty savings will go to foreign companies, and most of the oil will go to foreign countries.

    One thing the USA will get 100% of is the oil depletion and the environmental pollution. You didn’t think the foreign beneficiaries of our generosity will volunteer to do the cleanup, do you?

    If you were running a business is this the way you’d do it?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Bliffle, thanks for the info. This administration just loves to screw the consumer in favor of big business’ profit margins.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Oil prices went up when they thought the hurricane was going to hit all those off-shore rigs, and then went back down when it missed,

    What does that tell you about us putting all our hopes in off-shore drilling?

    I wonder how enthused we’d be if the oil companies wanted to drill in Lake Erie or Lake Michigan-after all the Great Lakes are one of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world… but we’d have nothing to worry about… right?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    So. it’s the democrats’ fault that oil went up???
    And and, the GOP get credit for it’s going down.

    Can you say bullshit boys and girls?

  • STM

    Got to give it to you Jet, you are a champion … almost singlehandedly, you have kept this thread alive since 2006, and now it’s become even more relevant in the face of soaring petrol prices. Prescience is everything.

    You are like those old hat-makers who’ve continued to churn out their products since the 1930s, knowing deep down that one day, formal hats will come back into fashion. I believe this effort deserves some kind of BC award, perhaps one that combines both persistence and endurance.

    We could do a story on it: “Jet gets a gong”.

    A big thumbs up old boy!!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Dear God! Someone’s left me speechless!

  • STM

    Indeed, it’s been a herculean effort … :)

  • Clavos

    Mate, go easy on the boy, he’s only trying to build his comment count…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    If Iraq is so firmly under our control, why aren’t we plundering their HUGE oil reserves? If anyone actually reads the article they’d see how AND WHY Bush was kept from doing it…

  • STM

    Jet’s right … his story does have relevance today. That’s the whole of it. The fact that he’s managed to keep it going in this case is not necessarily a bad thing.

    I’m still worried about the photo, however.

    It’s right up there with that South African bloke from New York in a jester hat, Mark Edward Manning’s “the morning after the night before”, Dave Nalle’s skeletal/pie-only diet variations on the Texas cowboy, and that poor gibberer who thinks ten-gallon US Cavalry hats look good on two-pint heads.

    On hats, sadly for everyone else, there’s only one titfer around here that’s any good, and Clav owns it.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Thanks Stan, I actually did look like that once, it was the only surviving picture of me from that era that wasn’t destroyed either in a burgulary, or a fire a few years back.

    There’s one other in my blog that I didn’t know existed until Chris Rose pointed it out, but it’s only a refection of me in a door of a very customized Triumph Spitfire in a collection of three show cars that I used to own. I was taking a picture of it at the times and Chris complemented my “Hot pants” cut offs.

    Click my URL and scroll down till you see car pictures. It’s the brown one with a “superbee” wing on the back that’d just been painted.

    What I look like today is in the blog profile in a blue t-shirt…

  • STM

    Mate, at least you’re not wearing a hat … heaven forbid!!

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    I’ve never been into hats, Probably won’t be necessary until I start losing my hair, which thankfully isn’t one of the zillions of disasters that I’ve been through lately…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    “Many outraged editorials were written after the beginning of the U.S. led invasion of Iraq about Bush just wanting the oil reserves for his buddies in Texas, but we’ve all been misled. The major powers that be in Houston not only didn’t want possession of the oil reserves in Iraq, they didn’t want anyone else to have them either.

    Yes you read that right!

    Originally the plan was to invade Iraq and release its huge oil reserves to the world market, plummeting oil prices, and then breaking the back and sabotaging the stranglehold that OPEC has on the world market. Bush would be a hero after gasoline prices dipped back to or even below a dollar a gallon, the economy would explode when Americans suddenly had more buying power, and GW would probably have a giant “Saddamesque” statue erected of himself in national mall that would rival the Washington Monument.

    Why was the plan sidelined in 2003?
    Bush needed/wanted/craved/coveted reelection in 2004, and, without big oil’s financial backing, that was simply not going to happen. Can you imagine the outrage in Houston when they caught wind of the White Houses’ plan? They weren’t about to let “good ole’ boy” Bush interfere with their own plans to completely suppress Iraq’s oil reserves, because if they were released, those record-breaking, obscene, and unimaginable oil company profits that everyone’s so outraged about lately (except rich Republican stock holders that is) would evaporate in mid air; that’s why!

    Forget the Space Center-High oil prices are what Houston’s all about!”

  • STM

    The only thing wrong with those Trumpies (Triumphs) is that the steering wheels are on the wrong side of the car. That’s supposed to be the passenger seat :)

    That’d be be because you blokes persist in driving on the wrong side of the road.

    How anyone manages to steer with their left hand while changing gears with their right is beyond me. And God knows how you cope approaching a roundabout.

    At least I didn’t last time I was there. It didn’t seem to matter one other time though, when I was in a borrowed golf cart. Going round either way seemed like a reasonable option at the time.

    It wasn’t …

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    I’ve got a pretty good crystal ball; don’t I?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Since I’m right-handed (as most people are) I can’t imagine shifting with my left. I guess it just depends on what denomination you belong to…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Now if you want to see a really great car, check out my current one-the red Chrysler Sebring Convertible that you scrolled past to find the Spitfires.

    Thanks for the company

    I’ve got an appointment at noon and it’s 3:42AM here and I think I’m sufficiently exhausted to possibly fall asleep now.

    thanks for helping me rack up all those comments!
    (which I could really care less about)
    G’nite mate

    g’night Suss… (:^p~~~~~~~~~~~~

  • bliffle

    Even if the Federal moratorium on OCS drilling is lifted, there are still State moratoriums that prevent drilling. For example, the California moratorium has bipartisan support and won’t be repealed, and that’s about 1/3 of the OCS oil, IIRC.

    But The Fools Of America have jumped to attention to do the oil company bidding and start screaming for OCS/ANWR contracts which are favorable to the oil cos and grossly unfavorable to the USA.

    Are any of you that foolish?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    I’d agree with you Bliff, but Suss might think I was running up my comment count again…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    You know, it’s suddenly dawned on me why everyone’s having a hissy fit about me constantly reviving this article. It’s because someone might realize that I was right and actually read the damned thing.

    Two years ago, I was right about…

    A:

    Many outraged editorials were written after the beginning of the U.S. led invasion of Iraq about Bush just wanting the oil reserves for his buddies in Texas, but we’ve all been misled. The major powers that be in Houston not only didn’t want possession of the oil reserves in Iraq, they didn’t want anyone else to have them either

    B. Houston wasn’t

    …about to let “good ole’ boy” Bush interfere with their own plans to completely suppress Iraq’s oil reserves, because if they were released, those record-breaking, obscene, and unimaginable oil company profits that everyone’s so outraged about lately (except rich Republican stock holders that is) would evaporate in mid air; that’s why!

    C. I was branded an idiot in 2006 when I predicted gas at the pump would hit $4…

    They figure we’ll get used to paying $4 a gallon, and they’ll look like heroes when they lower prices back down to $2.99.9 a gallon, and we’ll be dumb enough to praise them!

    D. I even predicted this…

    Meanwhile we’ve gotten used to planning our family budgets around the price of gas. The best way to describe the pain at the pump would be if you went to the grocery store one day, and suddenly the price of milk, eggs, beef, and beer suddenly doubled from what it was just two years ago, and what if a week later it doubled again?

    E. Two years ago I said:

    Now, suddenly we’re having 30-60 dollars a month taken out of an already tight budget. This is going to affect our spending power, and this is going to impact our economy. To compensate, shipping companies are going to have to violate contracts and raise shipping charges. Everything in the American economy is delivered in big trucks that use lots of fuel. Stores will have to raise prices to offset the fuel charges.

    Now I understand why Sussman and others are so upset that this article is as relevant as it was two years ago as it is today.

  • bliffle

    Jet,

    Congrats. I reread the article a couple weeks ago and was surprised at the pertinence of some of your predictions.

  • Clavos

    I…was surprised at the pertinence of some of your predictions.

    …Except of course, for his central premise that the oil companies, not the producers and market supply/demand, control the price of oil.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Oh, because you say so Clavos?

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    You’ll notice Clavos hoped we wouldn’t notice his sidestep and distraction by refusing to respond to #504.

    Sad really…

  • Clavos

    Oh, because you say so Clavos?

    That playground response doesn’t really merit a reply, but I don’t know any better, so here goes:

    Yes, I and:

    The Weekly Standard.

    And:

    The Wall Street Journal.

    And:

    The American Spectator.

    Over the past several weeks, I have bookmarked a lot more articles in the same vein, but BC only permits 3 citations per comment, so these will have to do for starters.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet

    What part of the comment was wrong Clavos? Wait,I’ll go see if I can find a few websites that agree with me…

    pretty obvious distraction.

    You’re right gas never hit 4 bucks a gallon, it was higher than that.

    poor man, afraid your oil stocks will go down if you don’t dispute an obvious truth?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet

    As I said on the other string Clavos, calling me childish first doesn’t make you the adult in the conversation.

    I can find 20 people to say you’re making an ass of yourself, and you can do the same.

    that doesn’t make either of us right, just more clever at a comeback.

  • bliffle

    Jet,

    Congrats. I reread the article a couple weeks ago and was surprised at the pertinence of some of your predictions.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Thanks again Bliffle?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Thank God congress is out of session; can you imagine where gas price would be if someone had talked them into coming back?

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    BAGHDAD (AFP) — Iraq on Tuesday cleared a plan to develop an oil field by China Petroleum National Corp. at a service fee of six dollars a barrel, giving Beijing a foothold into the world’s third largest oil reserves.

    Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani said the cabinet had approved the three-billion-dollar deal that will see China’s state-owned company developing the Al-Ahdab oil field in the central Shiite province of Wasit.

    “The Chinese company will charge six dollars per barrel of production as service fees which would decrease gradually to three dollars,” Shahristani told reporters inside Baghdad’s heavily fortified Green Zone.

    He said the plan is to be produce 25,000 barrels of oil per day in the first three years.

    Amazing, I must be clairvoyant.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Forgive me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we deserve “first dibbs” on Iraqi oil?

  • bliffle

    That was then, this is now.

    This is about business, not patriotism.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    I’ve been saying all along Bliffle that the Chinese will get first dibbs on everything. I hate being proven right though.

  • troll

    not to worry jet – there’s plenty there to make all the fat cats a bit fatter

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Oh c’mon now Troll, let’s not get into Science Fiction… Fatter? … oh you mean their wallets.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Though not unexpected, isn’t that deal like Iraq is spitting in our faces. Especially with the billions they have sitting in U.S. banks from their oil revenue… while we lay out tens of billions to Haliburten to rebuild the infrastructure?

  • bliffle

    They have about $80billion in oil revenues in the bank.

    We should pull out.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Iraq could finish the year with as much as a $79 billion cumulative budget surplus as oil revenues add to leftover income the Iraqis still haven’t spent on national rebuilding, according to a report by the Government Accountability Office made public Tuesday.

    Many Iraqis — who lack adequate electricity, clean water and jobs — find it unfathomable their country is awash in oil dollars. Last year, it spent less than a third of the $12 billion budgeted for major projects such as electricity, housing and water.

    In Washington, senators renewed calls for Baghdad to pay more for its own reconstruction, which has been heavily supported by hard-pressed American taxpayers.

    “I think it’s absurd that we’re paying for the reconstruction in a country when right at the beginning of the war the Bush administration assured the American people that Iraq’s reconstruction would be paid for by Iraq and through its oil revenues,” Democratic Sen. Carl Levin said Wednesday on MSNBC

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    In the Houston area, a city of 2.2 million inhabitants about 50 miles inland, authorities were braced for a potential catastrophe. The city’s compact downtown is a clutch of vulnerable, glass-encased skyscrapers that house headquarters for some of the world’s largest energy companies.

    Local journalists were reporting glass blown out from office towers and debris in the streets. The east side of the 75-story J.P.Morgan Chase tower — Houston’s tallest building at 1,000-feet — had many windows blown out, with office materials and other debris dangling.

    At Hobby Airport near downtown Houston, wind gusts of 100 mph were recorded around 7 a.m. Creeks and bayous in the downtown area were cresting and people were warned to stay inside. The famous Buffalo Bayou, which meanders through downtown Houston, was beginning to overtop its banks with some water washing onto the road.

    Some streets in the south reportedly were covered with a foot or more of water.

    Much of the city appeared to be without power and Mayor Bill White in a news conference Saturday warned residents to boil their water until water quality could be assured. He said city crews had no evidence that the water system was contaminated but it had lost pressure and needed to be tested.

    Several fires burned unattended in Houston Saturday morning and 911 operators received about 1,250 calls in 24 hours, Frank Michel, spokesman for White, told the AP.

    A well-known restaurant, Brennan’s of Houston, was destroyed in a blaze after firefighters were thwarted by high winds. A worker there and his daughter were badly burned and taken to a local hospital.