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Health Care Bill Might Hinge On The Abortion Issue

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Here we are well within the holiday season, and what better time to discuss the hopes and dreams of the youngest of all Americans, the unborn children.

The liberals in congress seem assured of a victory in passing a complex and convoluted health care bill. It has been said that this bill’s passing will be a boon to all Americans; all Americans, that is, except those doctors and their associates who derive their livelihood from the medical profession. The bill will in time bring down insurance rates by lowering the cost of health care; by limiting, with transparency and accountability, some not necessarily necessary tests, procedures, and referrals. In the very extreme, doctors, as in the case of the Mayo Clinic, might be subjected to living on a salary. That is the very extreme case, and will not happen.

We are told that millions of dollars are being poured into congress, through lobbyists and special interest groups, urging the non-passage of some aspects of the bill. One of the decisive sections of the health care bill is the section dealing with insuring abortion. Both camps have conceded that today is not the day to debate abortion; leave the law where it stands, and deal with the funding.

In the past I had wondered how the liberals in Congress, to my thinking the "good guys," could support abortion, while the conservatives oppose it. How could Barack Obama, with two lovely daughters, support a woman’s right to abortion? Abortion is not a religious issue. Whether or not there is a God, abortion eliminates the life of a single unborn human being. Consider: a baby in the womb has it all in the palm of his hand. He is going to have a life! He will see his mother, he will see Christmases, summers, winters — he will someday "drive in the fast lane." He will work hard and vacation in Colorado, or Cancun, with his own lovely wife and children. He will witness the universe; the sun, the moon, the stars! Then his mother and father decide to abort! They take from him not just a few hours, or a few days – they take it all! Suppose you were that baby?

Liberals promote more rights for the American people and the conservatives hold to more conservative rights. So it makes sense that the liberals support a mother’s right to abortion. Maybe the liberals are a little shortsighted on this matter. Maybe they should have turned their attention to the rights of the unborn child.

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  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    It is kind of ironic that abortion may have the power to “kill” ObamaCare. I hope in the end it does!

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Ah, the abortion issue to abort the abortion known as the Health Care Bill. We can only pray. In the meantime, I think I’ll buy some stock in a coat hanger factory.

  • Arch Conservative

    If it’s not a baby how come people don’t ask pregnant women “when’s the fetus due” or “hey haven’t seen you in awhile, when’s that ball of cells inside you that is definitely not a baby yet going to be coming out” rather than “when’s the baby due?”

    Obama is by far the most hostile president we’ve ever had to babies in the womb.

    To him it is neither a choice nor a baby, it’s a mistake and a punishment..and I quote…………

    “I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

    I agree that abortion is not at all a religious issue as I’m staunchly pro life but not in the least religious (yes there are others like me) but even God knows what a dickhead Obama is.

  • Deano

    Nice quote out of context Arch….Here’s the full transcript:

    MARY SNOW (CNN correspondent): Welcome back to CNN’s edition of Ballot Bowl. This is a chance for you to hear directly from the candidates. I’m Mary Snow in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, where Senator Barack Obama is holding a town hall meeting right now, taking questions from the audience. Let’s go straight to Senator Barack Obama; he just was asked a question about how his administration, if he’s elected, would deal with the issue of HIV and AIDS and also sexually transmitted diseases with young girls. Here’s Senator Barack Obama.

    OBAMA: — or we give them really expensive surgery and we don’t spend money on the front end keeping people healthy in the first place. So, when it comes to — when it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include — which should include abstinence only — should include abstinence education and teaching that children — teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include — it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I’ve got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old. I’m going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.

    You know, so, it doesn’t make sense to not give them information. You still want to teach them the morals and the values to make good decisions. That will be important, number one. Then we’re still going to have to provide better treatment for those who do have — who do contract HIV/AIDS, because it’s no longer a death sentence, if, in fact, you get the proper cocktails. It’s expensive. That’s why we want to prevent as much as possible.

    But we should also provide better treatment. And we should focus on those sectors where it’s prevalent and we’ve got to get over the stigma because understand that the fastest growth in HIV/AIDS is in heterosexuals, not gays. And so, we’ve got to get out of that stigma that we still have around it. It’s connected also to drug use. So, one of the things we have to do is to start thinking about better substance abuse treatment programs around drugs and not just treat it as a criminal justice issue. Treat it as a public health issue as well.

    So — but this all is connected to the idea of prevention and so my health care plan says, you know what? I don’t want kids in the emergency room for treatable illnesses like asthma. I want them to get a primary care doctor and have regular check-ups and, you know, if we decreased obesity rates back to the rates that existed back in 1980, we would save the Medicare system a trillion dollars — one trillion dollars because that’s what’s accounting for huge spikes in heart disease and diabetes and all kinds of preventable illnesses.

    So we’ve got to put emphasis on that. Let me say one last thing, though. I’m going to use the presidential bully pulpit to start talking about people taking responsibility. We were talking about education earlier. It doesn’t matter how good the job the schools are doing, if parents, you don’t turn off your TV sets and put away your video games and make your kids do your homework and meet with the teachers, it won’t make any difference. And the same is true on health care. I mean, some of us just have bad luck, and — or genetically, are predisposed to certain diseases.

    But, you know, if we’re not all making some effort to get exercise and, you know, eat properly and not smoke and, you know, and I know — I’ve had my own little battles. You know, I used to sneak a few cigarettes once in a while. My wife cut me off at the pass. She announced on 60 Minutes, she said, you know, “Yeah, he used to smoke once in a while, and he promised me. So if you catch him, anybody out there” — but that was good. I think we all have to take some responsibility for these issues as well. That’s going to be important. All right, I’ve got time for one more question.

    As noted in the CNN correspondent’s question, it was not a discussion about abortion, but about HIV, AIDS and STDs.

  • Arch Conservative

    Oh so if Obama claims a baby is a mistake and a punishment but he’s talking about Aids and not abortion it’s OK?

    He also opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act while an IL state senator .

    He’s a monster and no amount of lengthy irrelevant posts by you changes that fact.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    “I think he’s a monster and no amount of posts will change my opinion.”

    There you go, Arch, fixed it for you. Think of it as a Christmas present!

  • John Lake

    Christmas Eve–
    I can’t concede that President Obama is a monster by any definition. But the quoted article does show that he has given these issues a great deal of thought, and is not just stating the Party Line.
    I do believe that on his own he would be Pro-life. But as a Democrat, he still is obligated to support Democratic Party Policy.

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    He’s a monster and no amount of lengthy irrelevant posts by you changes that fact

    yeah? well some dogs likes to eat poop. their opinion of it is irrelevant to me.

  • http://willkillforfood.com Lisa McKay

    How could Barack Obama, with two lovely daughters, support a woman’s right to abortion?

    Perhaps it’s because he understands that women ultimately must have sovereignty over their own bodies.

  • FitzBoodle

    Obama may have outsmarted everyone.

    The Abortion restriction is a loose end, and one wonders that it was so easily conceded. But SCOTUS has already ruled that abortion is constitutional, so the abortion restriction can be attacked under the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution. And this SCOTUS, the Reagan/Bush SCOTUS (7 of 9 justices appointed by repubs), has already wedded itself to Equal Protection because that’s what they used to justify the 2000 selection of Bush in the Bush v. Gore lawsuit.

    Thus, the Roberts court will be compelled by Stare Decisis to throw out the abortion restriction.

    Thus, within a few months the Health Reform bill will emerge absent the Anti-abortion clauses, as a consequence of decisions by an antagonistic SCOTUS, which they will be compelled to make by their own Originalist Strict-constructionist ethos.

    But how can such things be? Can it really be true that the finest political minds of the Deep South, the flower of 400 years of assiduous plantation owner inbreeding, will get outwitted by an uppity jungle bunny?

    Where’s Bull Connors when we need him? Or Lester Maddox or George Wallace?

    Stay tuned.

  • Arch Conservative

    “But the quoted article does show that he has given these issues a great deal of thought, and is not just stating the Party Line.”

    That’s not how I see it. The way I see it is that he talked and talked and talked and then chose to take a relatively safe political position based on the party line.

    That is is MO on pretty much everything he does. Obama’s no great thinker and he’s certainly not in the least a remarkable leader and he’s not exactly that far removed from George Bush in that he thinks it was ordained by god himself that he’s in the White House.

    He’s a black face that came along at the right time and that’s pretty much all he owes to the presidency and mythology that surrounds him to.

  • John Lake

    Arch Conservative believes that all blacks possess certain qualities, and that since the President is partially black he must therefore possess them. The fact that Arch may not have observed those qualities in the President is irrelevant.
    To say that Obama is not far from Bush is really off the page. Bush was a blind (conscience-less) profiteer, while Obama is trying to do the job to the best of his ability. And the economic figures, and the slowly emerging improved relations with other nations proves it.
    .A woman may have sovereignty over her body, but when you abort a pregnancy, instead of perhaps allowing for an adoption, you are taking the entire life of a person not so different from yourself.

  • Arch Conservative

    Hmm since Obama took office……..

    We’re still IN iraq……….

    Still in Afghinistan……….

    Gunataunamo is still open………

    Obama supported Bernanke for a 2nd term……….

    Obama has no desire to audit the fed…….

    Obama has support more bailouts……….

    Obama is using signing statements like his predecessor………..

    Obama supports the Patriot Act…….

    Obama is growing the government and spending even faster than Bush did……

    You’re right John…..they’re nothing alike.

    The problem with you is that you loyalty lies not with this nation or it’s people but the Democrat party. Your inability to realize that neither party has done anythign for the good of this nation for a very long time makes it difficult to have a serious debate with you. Your mind is stuck in the two party paradigm and as such you cannot see what an utter failure Obama is. You speak of illusory economic figures without offering proof as evidence of our current presidents accomplishments.

    Meanwhile the value of the dollar continues to decline, the wasteful unnecessary federal government spending continues to grow exponentially, and the average American is footing the bill for all of it. But hey there’s a guy in the White House with a D besidehis name so you gotta support him and put on a happy face right John? How pleasant it must be to be so simple.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Hmm since Obama took office……..

    …ultra right conservatives are thriving by appealing to disenfranchised racist white Christians who are too stupid to see that their own leaders are a cancer on our political system more so than the “Kenyan” in the White House.

    Obama is growing the government and spending even faster than Bush did……

    And Congress has the Constitutional authority to stop it. But you knew that, didn’t you Arch? Rather than attack the root of the problem it’s easier to pin all the blame on the Black guy.

    Your inability to realize that neither party has done anythign for the good of this nation for a very long time makes it difficult to have a serious debate with you.

    On that point I entirely agree. Neither major political party serves the people whatsoever.

    Meanwhile the value of the dollar continues to decline, the wasteful unnecessary federal government spending continues to grow exponentially, and the average American is footing the bill for all of it.

    Indeed. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the CEO of a major publicly traded company was only allowed to receive a max cap of .5% of a company’s overall gross income? And wouldn’t it be wonderful if every dollar a CEO receives above that cap is paid out of stockholder dividends? It’s time stock holders really felt the impact of what their companies have done to this country.

    But hey there’s a guy in the White House with a D beside his name so you gotta support him and put on a happy face right John? How pleasant it must be to be so simple.

    Gee, the previous President had a D next to his name for douche bag. All this anti-Obama hype detracts us from a basic simple truth, George W. Bush should be prosecuted for war crimes in connection with the invasion of Iraq and treason for his funding of his petro-buddies and Wall Street backers.