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The phrase "jumping the shark" comes from the TV show Happy Days where creative bankruptcy and desperation to keep ratings up resulted in a waterskiing Henry Winkler literally jumping over a shark, establishing a historical high-water mark for how far into the realm of the ridiculous and humiliating a TV show would go to attract attention and remain at the top of the ratings.

That same kind of desperation to get people to pay attention to you and take you seriously seems to have infected the Democratic Party, whose leaders are now saying the most outlandish things in a frantic effort to regain control of the national debate and reestablish their credibility. In the wake of massive protests against their insurance-industry bailout disguised as a healthcare plan, and shocking revelations about the corruption of their grassroots as represented by the whoremongers at ACORN, Democratic leaders seem to have become completely unhinged and are ready to say the most ridiculous things to try to demonize their opponents and win the soundbite war.

This has been going on in the media for weeks as pundits from the left have tried to portray protesters as racists and kooks, or shills for big insurance providing protest on demand. These efforts became increasingly embarrassing as more and more evidence came out that it was Democrats who were astroturfing and staging events while bringing in thugs and shills to try to silence their own constituents who were in the streets demanding accountability from their government.

Now the desperation to regain control of the debate has reached an even higher level, and dragged top Democrats into saying truly crazy and offensive things which are so over-the-top that they verge on self-parody.

At a Thursday press conference, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) tried to draw a comparison between current protests against the government and the anti-gay rhetoric and violence of the 1970s, saying, "I have concerns about some of the language that is being used, because I saw this myself in the late '70s in San Francisco. This kind of rhetoric was very frightening, and it created a climate in which violence took place."

In addition to the obvious accusation of bigotry, she even seems to be suggesting the possibility of extreme violence by alluding to the Harvey Milk assassination. Pelosi was near tears as she recalled the violence of an earlier era, a violence which has no actual discernible parallel in the current, peaceful protests over healthcare and government spending.

Her attempt to equate protesters with violent anti-gay bigots like Dan White was just an extension into a different idiom of the outrage expressed by former president Jimmy Carter earlier in he week when he accused protesters of being racists for opposing the president and his policies. In an interview, Carter arrogantly dismissed any objections to current policies as racism:


An overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he is African American. I live in the South and I've seen the South come a long way and I've seen that the rest of the country shared the South's attitude towards minority groups at that time, particularly African Americans. That racism in connection still exists and I think it has bubbled up to the surface because of a belief among many white people, not just in the South but around the country that African Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It is an abominable circumstance and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply.

Admittedly, both Carter and Pelosi are creatures of the 1970s, but it's not 1978 anymore. That was a full generation ago. A lot of these protesters weren't even born in 1978, and the attitudes of today – even in the South – are not those of the Carter era, though they may be the inevitable outgrowth of that era's failures.

There are more parallels to the 1970s, of course. The man who prompted much of this criticism is Representative Joe Wilson (R-SC), who like a lot of the protesters is living in what seems like a bad remake of Sidney Lumet's 1976 film Network, uncontrollably shouting "You lie!" in the same way that Lumet's protagonist Howard Beale shouted, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore," largely in objection to the complacency of society and the failure of government and the media to be responsible to the people. His words could be coming from their mouths when he said, "Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!… You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it."

Beale was fed up. Wilson is fed up. The protesters are fed up. Obama, Pelosi and Carter and all of the pundits pointing their fingers at the justifiable anger of the people and calling it racism or bigotry to deflect attention from their own failures, seem to be recreating the 1970s all over again. They are oblivious to the fact that we've already gone through this once and that this time we're not willing to sit back and let a character in a movie express our outrage for us. All that got us was four years of Carter's presidential incompetence and 30 more years of building rage.

Ironically, Happy Days is also a product of the 1970s and was part of the desperation of that era to smooth over problems and hide in the unreal fantasy of an idyllic earlier era which never really existed. Like Pelosi and Carter, it went on too long and eventually became ridiculous and a parody of itself, leading to the jumping of the shark in its last season. Perhaps now that their rhetoric has gone so far overboard and become equally ridiculous, these relics of the '70s are jumping the shark as well and their era will finally come to a long-deserved end.

In the '70s we really were in the last days of a racist society. You had old politicos like Nixon talking about "niggers" 41 times on tape in the Oval Office and you had Earl Butz with his "the only thing the coloreds are looking for in life is tight pussy, loose shoes and a warm place to shit." But these are people who were literally from a different age — dinosaurs. They were born before World War I and were already in their 30s by World War II. They are two generations removed from Joe Wilson and three from most of the protesters; and that's a very long time in the evolution and maturing of a culture.

Katrina Pierson from the Dallas Tea Party group or comedian AlfonZo Rachel or Kevin Jackson or Lenny McAllister or all of the Hip Hop Republicans or perhaps Senatorial Candidate Michael Williams. I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea about these protesters and activists who Jimmy Carter is convinced are such dreadful racists.

Not only are African-Americans strongly represented among those protesting healthcare and out-of-control government, but they are relatively young and most of them seem to be from the dreadfully racist southern states. Many of them have even been elevated to positions of leadership within the tea party organizations and the Republican Party. Most strangely, no one on the right seems to be excluding them or persecuting them or making them attend separate but equal rallies.

There's something surreal about old white Democrats calling young black conservatives racist. They've lost touch with the political realities of this millennium and are still fighting the battles of the 1970s. This isn't the right wing of Earl Butz or Richard Nixon. They're both long dead. Carter and Pelosi were part of the younger generation which fought them, but it's their turn to be the petrified relics of a past era who can't see that the change they prattle on about has already happened. It just didn't come out the way they expected.

So yes, because of the current generational cycle which has left amazingly out-of-touch, old-line socialists at the head of the party and influencing its younger members, the Democrats as a whole have jumped the shark on this issue of trying to portray the new right as racist. It's a laughable claim which is backfiring on them. On Facebook and Twitter and other forums which Carter and Pelosi have to hire people to use for them, the tea party activists and town hall protesters are so confident that they treat the accusations as a kind of in-joke, calling each other racists and laughing about it, because it's so obviously ridiculous.

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  • Ted

    *(fart)

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I see you expended your entire intellectual arsenal on that one, Ted.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    I thought it was rather good, Dave. In one short word he managed to characterize the acuity of his intellect AND offer the world a glimpse into his puerile fixation on bodily functions.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    And he speaks for myriad others who share his political perspective.

  • zingzing

    dave, just because you shit on people using more words doesn’t mean you aren’t doing anything except shitting on people. #4 is no better than #1, and it’s far more counter-productive.

  • zingzing

    “expended your entire intellectual arsenal”

    that’s quite a pun.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    In addition to the obvious accusation of bigotry, she even seems to be suggesting the possibility of extreme violence by alluding to the Harvey Milk assassination. Pelosi was near tears as she recalled the violence of an earlier era, a violence which has no actual discernible parallel in the current, peaceful protests over healthcare and government spending.

    Of course, of course! That’s why threats on the life of the president of the United States have now risen by as much as 400 percent since his inauguration, which in the words of CNN’s source in the Secret Service, 400 percent death threats against Barack Obama…“go far beyond anything the Secret Service has seen with any other president“.

    The same article shows a clip of a ‘pastor’ saying “I’m gonna pray that he (Obama) dies and go to hell.”

    Of course you don’t agree with that statement…but where’s the Republican outrage that we’d surely see if this were said against even the least popular president in modern times – Dubya?

    Obama is still nearly twice as popular as Bush was…but he’s getting 400% more death threats? And YOU think Pelosi’s blowing things out of proportion?

    In the ’70s we really were in the last days of a racist society.

    That’s why in 1984 when I was on leave, I went to my hometown and saw the ‘white’ and ‘colored’ entrances still on the main street doctor’s office. The words had been painted over…but paint doesn’t hide words that are chiseled an inch deep in marble.

    That’s why the most listened-to man on radio – Rush Limbaugh – called for segregated buses. It does not matter that you and other BC conservatives disavow him, because he does seem to be the most powerful conservative in America (since even the chairman of the Republican party cannot point out Limbaugh’s errors).

    Not only are African-Americans strongly represented among those protesting healthcare and out-of-control government, but they are relatively young and most of them seem to be from the dreadfully racist southern states.

    Uh-huh. That’s why when we see a ‘tea party’ or any other form of protest by Republicans, the crowd is almost lily-white. According to this Gallup data, two percent of your registered membership that is black (as compared to 19% of registered Democrats)…and you’re losing ground significantly among the Latinos, too. The article states: “The results show clearly that the Republican Party today is first and foremost a political entity dominated by white Americans. Eighty-nine percent of rank-and-file Republicans are non-Hispanic whites, leaving just 5% who are Hispanic (of any race), 2% who are black, and 4% of other races.”

    Many of [these conservative blacks] have even been elevated to positions of leadership within the tea party organizations and the Republican Party.

    This is known as ‘tokenism’ – particularly when they make up two percent of your registered membership.

    Dave, you (and the Republican party) are not fooling anyone. IF the Republican party at rallies made a practice of publicly pointing out racist signs or language and having such removed from the group, and IF the Republican party banded together (as they do so well) against obviously racist stunts like “Barack the Magic Negro”, and IF the Republican party actually tried working IN the inner city to help improve the lives of people there (even though YOU claimed we ‘prevent you from doing so’)…

    …THEN you’d find real progress among the minorities – but not before.

    The provable facts show that our article, Dave, is nothing more than wishful thinking.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    “intellectual arsenal”

    I’m still laughing – I do love a good pun!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Man, but I gotta be more careful. The last sentence should read, “YOUR article”, not ‘OUR article’. That’s really embarrassing.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Almost as if it were written by an intellectual arsonist… :)

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I like that term, “intellectual arsonist” — I may put it on my next business card.

    And Glenn, I hear all the stuff you’re saying, but I have to go to lunch.

    IMO it doesn’t matter at all. The point of the article which you’re missing is that regardless of the outside perception, the protesters and the new right really are not racist, and the face of the protests is strongly multi-ethnic regardless of your dubious 2% figure.

    Dave

  • TK

    Actually, the shark jumping episode was not in the last season of Happy Days. It was in the fifth season and cosidered the turning point where the show went downhill afterwards. It went on for a total of 10 seasons.

  • zingzing

    “the face of the protests is strongly multi-ethnic regardless of your dubious 2% figure.”

    good god, dave. i just took a look at images of the 9/12 tea party in washington and i was on page 13 of google images before i found a minority of course, that turned out to be a picture of the amnesty marches a few years back. i had to continue until page 17 until i found a picture of a black man running for congress in nc. so i’m not sure that works. the next image of a minority was from a chess website. i was getting kinda tired of looking at white people, so i put a limit of page 20 on myself, but i was already on page 21. there was a picture of a tea party in memphis, and i thought “surely, there’s going to be a black man in memphis…” but, no. all white. by this time i was getting curious, so i looked at another page. then another. i just wanted to find this “multi-ethnic face.” there was a picture from miami. surely there’s a hispanic man in miami. nope. on page 25, there’s a possible minority, but i can’t say for sure. but that’s good enough for me. so many white people…

  • Clavos

    Um zing:

    Since most of the Latinos (we don’t have any Hispanics, they all come from Latin America and the Caribbean), in Miami are as white as any of you gringos, I don’t see how you can look at a picture of a Miami crowd and determine there are no Latinos in it.

  • Clavos

    In point of fact, zing, Miami-Dade county is 65% Latino, according to the Census Bureau, and votes heavily Republican.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I like “intellectual arsenal,” especially if it’s Ted’s edition. But “intellectual arsonist” is even better. (That must be someone like Thed Kaczynski, the Unabomber.) And it goes well with anarchist because anarchists are intellectuals, except when they resort to crude means.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Aren’t they mostly Cubans, though?

  • zingzing

    looked like a bunch of old white men to me. not gonna say that there wasn’t a latino in there somewhere, but i couldn’t spot one.

    and it seems to me that the latino vote in florida kinda sealed the deal for obama there. he won by 20% in miami-dade county, and with quite a lot of help from the latino population.

    and you don’t have any hispanics?

  • Clavos

    Not for years Roger. Most of the immigrants are from Central and South America.

  • Clavos

    Actually, it was closer to 16%, zing, but decisive nonetheless.

    The Miami-Dade Congressional delegation continues to be 60% Republican.

    You can’t “spot” Latinos in Miami, zing, they mostly don’t look like Mexicans, they’re mostly white, not Indian

  • zingzing

    i’m still going to stick by my point that dave’s “strongly multi-ethnic” “face of the protests” is a figment of his imagination. these protests are almost ridiculously white. you’d think there’d be a stronger minority presence than there looks to be. now, maybe there are (really, there has to be,) more minorities involved than i’ve seen, but 25 pages of google images was a lot to look through. still, i came up with no readily-identifiable minorities in any of the pictures.

    (and yes, there have to be more than 0 minorities involved in these things.)

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I can’t be everywhere, Zing, I just know that here in Texas (where most of the examples I linked to in the article are from) there are plenty of african-americans and hispanics among the protesters. Are there as many as I would like to see? No. But we can’t overcome generations of the plantation mentality that quickly. The door is open to every person of every color or background who eventually comes to the realization that self-reliance and individual liberty and free enterprise are for everyone and that so long as they are willing to take from the state they empower the state.

    Dave

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “Plantation mentality,” that’s a good one. It means they’re slovenly, niggardly and generally speaking dumb.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    zing –

    That’s why I keep telling Dave, “the facts must determine one’s belief, but one’s belief should NOT determine the facts.”

    Evidence. Facts. Reality.

    But it looks like their addiction to the grape Kool-Aid is too strong. Dave’s very intelligent…but chooses – chooses – to ignore the evidence so that he may protect his own beliefs. Either that, or is quite aware of the reality and chooses to make what he knows are patently false statements.

    If the latter, then he’s dishonest with all those who peruse BC. If the former, then he’s dishonest with himself (and if that’s the case, he may not even realize it).

    Dave –

    I know what I’ve said offends you (and I hope you understand that offense is never my intention), but your article is completely out of whack with reality. All you have to support your contentions are rhetoric and suppositions. All the provable facts and all available evidence is against you.

    Someone as educated as you – in history of all things – should know to let the facts determine your belief…but that’s not what you’re doing in your article.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Good eye, TK, although the show ran 11 seasons. Also, I am curious why Dave thinks Happy Days was desperate for ratings when it ended the previous season at #1 overall and the “Jump the Shark” season at #2. The phrase has more to do with a show losing its way creatively, no matter what Wikipedia says.

    “A lot of these protesters weren’t even born in 1978″

    Where is this wellspring of 20-and-under protestors?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Great point, zing and glenn. You see this on the left and the right. In the first case, it’s unjustified idealism; in the second, cynicism.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    BTW, your link to ‘Katrina Pierson’ is broken.

    I checked your links…and bore in mind that two percent of millions of people is still a whole lot of people.

    That said, the protests are almost all lily-white, the Republican politicians (except for perhaps McCain) at those protests do NOT discourage racist signs or language (or even violent language – remember “Kill him!” at a Palin rally?), and the Republicans are still not reaching out to the inner city.

    Political parties never, ever, ever account for all the voters – many (or perhaps most) are unregistered independents. Even taking that into account, only 4% of blacks voted for McCain. But after all the ‘racism’ brouhaha over the past months, one wonders if you’ll get even that in the next election?

    Two percent of the Republicans are black, and like I said, that’s still a lot of people. Problem is, you’re assuming that it’s proof positive of the multiethnicity of the Republican party. Statistically speaking, though, you’re getting slightly more than the second standard deviation of the bell curve of black humanity. In other words, you’re getting the fringe.

    NOT the African-American Joe Everyman, but the fringe. You’ve got a molehill – and it is folly to pretend the molehill’s actually a mountain.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    african-americans and hispanics among the protesters. Are there as many as I would like to see? No. But we can’t overcome generations of the plantation mentality that quickly

    Plantation mentality? They’re probably just ignorant and uneducated, Dave. They no doubt need some white guy to explain to them that they’re free now.

    If more were suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, you might get better participation. Maybe you could figure out a way to spread that!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Right, they haven’t picked up on the fact yet. That’s why they’re so backward.

  • duffy

    #7…”you lie” about Rush…lol really, you couldn’t understand what he was saying?

  • Glenn Contrarian

    duffy –

    I ‘lie’ about Rush? I think the more appropriate question is, you mean YOU couldn’t really understand what he was saying?

    I know more about racism than most white people – and if you knew my story you’d understand that. But if you want to pretend that Rush wasn’t stirring the coals of racism, that’s fine with me…because it makes it that much more certain that fewer and fewer minorities will remain in the Republican party…and when – not ‘if’, but ‘when’ – whites no longer make up a majority of the American population (should be around 2030), the Republican party will be marginalized.

    Hopefully by then (in order to balance the Democratic party) we’ll have a conservative party that will provide some sensible balance and not this far-right lunacy that has taken over the party of Lincoln.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Good eye, TK, although the show ran 11 seasons. Also, I am curious why Dave thinks Happy Days was desperate for ratings when it ended the previous season at #1 overall and the “Jump the Shark” season at #2. The phrase has more to do with a show losing its way creatively, no matter what Wikipedia says.

    I gave up on the show several seasons before that once the hateful and untalented Erin Moran started being the main star. But I’ve corrected the reference in the article.

    “A lot of these protesters weren’t even born in 1978″

    Where is this wellspring of 20-and-under protestors?

    That would be 30 and under. And I don’t know what videos you’re watching, but I’m seeing a pretty representative cross-section of the population, not just old people the way that the media and the left keep spinning it. And the overwhelming majority of the protest organizers I’m in contact with are 30s or younger, many of them college age.

    Dave

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    but I’m seeing a pretty representative cross-section of the population, not just old people the way that the media and the left keep spinning it.

    Dude, a representative cross-section of the population would NOT result in almost completely lily-white conventions and protests. Better stop wearing those brown-colored glasses…because you’re telling us there’s a lot more brown people at your conventions and protests than what we see.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    BTW, your link to ‘Katrina Pierson’ is broken.

    I’ll check it.

    That said, the protests are almost all lily-white,

    Take a look at the speakers and the most prominent organizers. They’re much more ethnically diverse than the random assortment of protesters.

    the Republican politicians (except for perhaps McCain) at those protests do NOT discourage racist signs or language (or even violent language – remember “Kill him!” at a Palin rally?), and the Republicans are still not reaching out to the inner city.

    Actually, plenty of Republicans and organizers have spoken out against the small number of extremists at the rallies, but the problem is that the most extreme elements are not Republicans and aren’t about to listen. As pointed out in a previous article, the Obama/Hitler poster is a LaRouche poster — nothing Republican about it.

    I’ve watched endless videos of the protests and I have seen nothing racist in any of them. You’re making the same mistaken assumption as many on the left. I just hope you’re making the mistake innocently when they are clearly doing it for partisan reasons. Your typical poster with Obama and a swastika is not a nazi poster or racist about Obama, it’s a poster equating Obama with the nazis. Entirely different concept.

    My guess would be that most people sympathetic to the protests who look at these posters see no reason to complain about them because the intent is obvious. Whether you agree or not, these are people who consider Bush and Obama to be two steps in a continuum which leads to America becoming a police state under a totalitarian government of global socialists with secret police and death camps and all the things we associate with the Nazis. This concern may make them paranoid, but it doesn’t make them racist. It has nothing to do with race and is all about politics and ideology.

    Political parties never, ever, ever account for all the voters – many (or perhaps most) are unregistered independents. Even taking that into account, only 4% of blacks voted for McCain. But after all the ‘racism’ brouhaha over the past months, one wonders if you’ll get even that in the next election?

    The unfounded charges of racism from the left are so transparently false that I think they will likely backfire, as I mention in the article. Any sensible person can see that racism is being used as a way to shut down dissent and falsely discredit critics of the administration.

    Two percent of the Republicans are black, and like I said, that’s still a lot of people. Problem is, you’re assuming that it’s proof positive of the multiethnicity of the Republican party.

    Actually, I took some care not to call the protesters Republican in the article. They represent a broad coalition of which Republicans are only one element. So your statistic on the ethnicity of Republicans is largely irrelevant. Many of the protesters are self-described former Democrats.

    Hopefully by then (in order to balance the Democratic party) we’ll have a conservative party that will provide some sensible balance and not this far-right lunacy that has taken over the party of Lincoln.

    A recent argument which I have heard which I find increasingly convincing is that most of these protesters are NOT far-right and that while there are extremists, most of them would be more properly classed as moderate independents who only seem far right because they tend to be so strongly anti-government and because the current government has moved so far to the left.

    Dave

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Dude, a representative cross-section of the population would NOT result in almost completely lily-white conventions and protests. Better stop wearing those brown-colored glasses…because you’re telling us there’s a lot more brown people at your conventions and protests than what we see.

    Glenn, I was talking about ages in the comment you’re respoinding to, not ethnicity. And again, independents don’t hold conventions. These folks are not exclusively or even primarily Republicans. They’re angry with both parties because Bush and Obama have done the exact same things they don’t approve of.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    The allegation that those opposed to Obama’s plans are racist is being promulgated to discredit all opposition, rehabilitate Obama and his schemes and thus pave the way for getting it all passed.

    It’s all politics — pretty clever politics at that.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    An apt comparison I heard on Bill Maher is that these cries of racism are designed to silence opposition in the same way that Bush administration flacks tried to portray people as unpatriotic to get them to back off from challenging his policies.

    Dave

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Firefox crashed and cost me a really, really long post. To make a long post short, I Googled images of “Tea Party Protests” and “Blacks attended tea parties” and checked the first three pages of sites – that should be, what, 45 total for each search?

    What I found on those sites, out of well over a hundred photos (and several videos) of tea party crowds (many of which were in cities with large black populations or even majority black (like Chicago)), with one exception I saw maybe ten blacks all told…out of thousands of attendees.

    The sole exception was the webpage of the National Black Republican Association – which had I think three or four pictures of black protesters…one with two blacks, one with three, and the others were by themselves. Oh, wow.

    Let’s look back to your claim: Not only are African-Americans strongly represented among those protesting healthcare and out-of-control government, but they are relatively young and most of them seem to be from the dreadfully racist southern states.

    Dave, you gotta stop this fantasy that blacks are being strongly represented…unless you can show me PROOF of lots of blacks at these protests against the government, that is.

  • http://www.marksaleski.com MarkSaleski

    It’s all politics — pretty clever politics at that.

    “clever politics”….a new oxymoron is born!

  • Clavos

    LOL! Good point, Mark S

  • Baronius

    I’m just watching football pre-game. They’re talking about which team “needs” a win this week.

    The Democrats need the protests to be racist. It they’re not, then President Obama’s problem is his policies.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Dave, you gotta stop this fantasy that blacks are being strongly represented…unless you can show me PROOF of lots of blacks at these protests against the government, that is.

    Glenn, I didn’t say there were “lots” of Blacks, just that they were “strongly represented” as you quoted. That means that they were prominent at the events as speakers and organizers, and that is certainly true from the examples which I provided in the article. I’d rather have a handful of intelligent, articulate and outspoken African Americans on our side who can attract more of the same than a larger number who are not as articulate and well informed.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    clavos: “It’s all politics — pretty clever politics at that.”

    something about this strikes me as really, really stupid.

    dave: “And I don’t know what videos you’re watching, but I’m seeing a pretty representative cross-section of the population, not just old people the way that the media and the left keep spinning it. And the overwhelming majority of the protest organizers I’m in contact with are 30s or younger, many of them college age.”

    dave, i don’t know how to tell you this, but the republican party (and the right wing in general,) is the domain of the old, white man. the protests are dominated by old white men (and their wives). this is very obvious. i looked through 25 pages of pictures yesterday and couldn’t find a single minority. glenn just looked up “african americans at a tea party” and still found an incredible disparity.

    wake up.

    clavos: “The allegation that those opposed to Obama’s plans are racist is being promulgated to discredit all opposition, rehabilitate Obama and his schemes and thus pave the way for getting it all passed.”

    by whom? not obama. (of course he’s too wiley and clever for that.) i think this racism controversy is as much an invention of the right as it is the left. i see you guys yelling “you guys are yelling racism” much more than people really yell “racism.” (not that you don’t yell “racism” whenever it damn well suits you, which is often enough.)

  • zingzing

    baronius: “The Democrats need the protests to be racist. It they’re not, then President Obama’s problem is his policies.”

    no, the right just needs to think that everyone is against them (because they are right in their minds), not that they’re a bunch of dumb hicks who have been lied to by their leaders.

  • zingzing

    seriously, i’m pretty sure that it’s the right running with this racism thing now. no one said that everyone who was against obama was a racist. you guys just want to make that the story. it’ll come back to bite you in the ass, i assure you.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Glenn, I didn’t say there were “lots” of Blacks, just that they were “strongly represented” as you quoted.

    Ten out of thousands…and you call it ‘strongly represented’? Dave, please, you’re embarrassing yourself. I do not mean that as an insult, but as honest advice to someone for whom I do have some respect.

  • Clavos

    @ #s 43, 44, 45:

    Nice spin, zing.

    I don’t buy it, though. The right didn’t bring up the racism strawman.

    Even members of the administration and high-ranking Dems (Pelosi) have been playing the race card in regard to the tea party movement for weeks now. Their evidence? A few arguably racist placards.

    Nice try, zing.

  • Clavos

    Dave, please, you’re embarrassing yourself. I do not mean that as an insult, but as honest advice to someone for whom I do have some respect.

    Sure.

    And butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth.

  • zingzing

    clavos: “Nice spin, zing. I don’t buy it, though. The right didn’t bring up the racism strawman.”

    but they’re certainly dancing with it now.

  • Clavos

    but they’re certainly dancing with it now.

    Well they are certainly not going to remain silent while being painted with such an ugly broad brush…

  • zingzing

    true, but they’re making the brush broader and uglier than it ever was to begin with.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    If the Democrats have jumped the shark, how should we describe what the Republicans have done to themselves during the last 3 years [at least]?

    Their rhetoric consists almost entirely of shooting down Democratic ideas, and tolerating the most outrageous rhetoric on their own right flank. The sight of them genuflecting at the Values Voters gathering in DC this past week was pretty nauseating.

    Dave and Clavos pooh-pooh the racist elements of the tea-party rhetoric, when they should be acknowledging and repudiating them. There were far more than a “few placards” saying things like “The National Zoo has an African Lion – the White House has a lyin’ African” at the Sept 12 rally.

    The birther idiocy almost certainly has a racial element: brand Obama as The Other, unqualified for office, facts be damned. And the hyperbolic nonsense calling the president a socialist and [more ridiculous] a Nazi may not be racist, but it is not indicative of sound arguments being made by reasonable people.

    These elements may well make up an objectionable fringe of the movement, not its core. But Glenn Beck et al. are perfectly happy to fan these ugly flames, and too many commentators on the right remain silent.

    In the process they are doing fatal damage to their own message and political future.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Not just Glenn Beck and company, Handy, but the “mainstream” Republican politicians who are inciting the crowds and encouraging mob mentality – for the only purpose of getting re-elected.

    Shame!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Clavos –

    If you’ll look back at all my posts – ALL of them – there’s one common factor: sincerity. I am always sincere. If I say I’m sorry, I’m sincere about it. If I say my someone else is right, I’m sincere about it. If I give constructive criticism, I’m sincere about it…and I never, repeat never, insult.

    Of course if you’re cynical enough, the above paragraph is just so much fluff. But if that’s what you think, then the problem is not with me, but with you.

    Having too much cynicism is every bit as dangerous as having too little.

  • Clavos

    Funny that your self-proclaimed sincerity often comes through as patronizing and condescending, Glenn.

    [Clav said, cynically]

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    …politicians who are inciting the crowds and encouraging mob mentality – for the only purpose of getting re-elected.

    They’re taking a page from Nixon’s election guide.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    Anyway, I don’t know what you’d want them to do…that’s how the system works. Do whatever it takes to claw your way to the top and get control.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Where is their honor and the responsibility that comes with the office?

    But yes, it is too much to hope for.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Ten out of thousands…and you call it ‘strongly represented’? Dave, please, you’re embarrassing yourself. I do not mean that as an insult, but as honest advice to someone for whom I do have some respect.

    Glenn, I’m not embarassed and have no reason to be. Go look up the words “quality” and “quantity” and consider the significance of having so many highly exposed blacks among the protesters relative to the significance of having a bunch of anonymous blacks in the background.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    “Dave, please, you’re embarrassing yourself.”

    Case in point to #55.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Clavos –

    Funny that your self-proclaimed sincerity often comes through as patronizing and condescending, Glenn.

    Let’s look at possible explanations for that:

    1 – I really am patronizing and condescending…but if such was my attitude it would be flatly impossible to post comments and articles without resorting to crude insults.

    2 – My writing skill is lacking and contributes to giving a false impression of my real opinions and motives…but I really, really don’t think that’s the case (which I’ll explain in a moment).

    3 – Instead of seeing my own sincerity in my comments, you see instead a reflection – or at least an image tainted by – your own considerable cynicism. This would be supported by the old saying that a man often expects from others only what he would do himself.

    Clavos, I didn’t start blogging or debating on forums yesterday. I started in ’94 (against a black racist, I now recall, who supported the writings of one ‘Khaandi Paasewe’ who claimed that the whites’ evil was due to their lack of melanin) and I do know how to represent myself.

    Over the years I’ve learned that nearly all who spend time on forums will not even consider the possibility that they might be wrong – and if they are proven wrong, they’ll deny it (or ignore it) until their dying breath.

    In all the tens of thousands of comments (and hundreds of (mostly religious) articles) I’ve posted, I’ve seen a mere handful of people who’ve had the courage to admit error. Dave did…but his was also on a relatively minor point, IIRC.

    Another thing I’ve found is that – in religion as well as politics – the more conservative one is, the less willing one is to question his or her own beliefs, the less willing one is to admit error.

    So what does this mean? I know my own skill and I know my faults…and insincerity isn’t one of them. I’m sorry, Clavos, but in my opinion the cynicism you see in my posts is almost certainly merely a simple reflection of your own.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    ‘quality’ vs. ‘quantity’? Maybe ten individuals out of thousands, when several of the protests were located in majority-black cities and towns?

    I’ve got a dozen or so comments from active duty that would fit the concept…but I’ll keep it simple: No, Dave – it doesn’t work.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Works for me, Glenn. I’m actually in touch with these people. I see what the real demographics are rather than the carefully cherrypicked scenes you get on your preferred media outlets.

    And I’m sure you’re entirely sincere. You’re just unable to break out of your assumptions and see things from any other perspecitve.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    “I’m actually in touch with these people. I see what the real demographics are rather than the carefully cherrypicked scenes you get on your preferred media outlets.”

    you keep demographics? on a national scale?

    (i would think that google search would be a rather middle of the road source material, with info and pictures coming from all over. and yet, it’s still white, white, white. why is this? is google liberal? do you think there’s something controlling google that says “hide black conservatives?”)

    dave, these tea parties are at least 95% white, or so the evidence would suggest. do you really have demographics that would say anything different? any proof? or are you just afraid of the image of old white teabaggers?

    shudder.

    and if asked to provide evidence, don’t say, “well, i seen it. i been der. you ain’t. ALLLLLL that other shit you see is all doctered up. i know it. because i know the truth.” that’s not evidence. that’s hearsay. and that’s unprovable. (not that we believe you anyway.)

  • Clavos

    Instead of seeing my own sincerity in my comments, you see instead a reflection – or at least an image tainted by – your own considerable cynicism. This would be supported by the old saying that a man often expects from others only what he would do himself.

    That must be it Glenn, I see my own cynicism in you.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Again Zing, I didn’t say that the rank and file of the protesters weren’t largely white. My point is that there are black protesters as well who are among the most prominent of the leaders and spokespeople and that the white people are not racist despite the ludicrous claims of people like Carter.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    “Again Zing, I didn’t say that the rank and file of the protesters weren’t largely white.”

    good, because that would be ludicrous.

    “My point is that there are black protesters as well who are among the most prominent of the leaders and spokespeople and that the white people are not racist despite the ludicrous claims of people like Carter.”

    well, that’s not what it sounded like. but if you say so, then i generally agree. there are black people who don’t like what obama is doing. i’m sure. that doesn’t make the racist element any less racist, or the non-racist element any more non-racist. facts remain facts.

  • zingzing

    also doesn’t make “you” any less white.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    “I see what the real demographics are rather than the carefully cherrypicked scenes you get on your preferred media outlets.”

    Dave – I didn’t ‘cherrypick’. I chose every site on Google image search that had more than just a few faces – images of crowds. Almost without exception, these were RIGHT WING sites.

    Your assumption that I ‘cherrypicked’ is just that – an assumption, and a wrong one.

    Not only that, but I looked again at your list of ‘high-quality’ black Republicans you linked to in your article. Let’s see here – there’s a video with two blacks (one speaking), there’s two other sites both run by one black man each, there’s a black Republican politician (gasp!), and the hip-hop Republicans, who have chapters in New Jersey, Washington DC, Oklahoma, Texas, California, and New York City…

    …and out of all the millions of African-Americans in those states and cities, the ‘high quality’ African-Americans of the Hip-Hop Republicans have a total of…51 members. Add them to the rest linked to in your article, and what do you have? 56.

    And out of all the thousands who attended Tea Party rallies in those cities…even in the heavily African-American Washington DC…did these ‘high-quality’ African-Americans to whom you linked make themselves seen at the rallies? Two did.

    Two.

    You must admit, Dave – this IS rather underwhelming.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    I’d agree with columnist Gene Robinson on Carter’s assertion: it’s an overstatement, but I’m glad someone had the guts to say it out loud. It’s what a lot of us have been thinking. The aversion my relatives in Tennessee feel toward Obama: definitely in part racial.

    The lady last fall who told McCain at a town meeting that Obama scared her because he’s an Arab: racist. [And so was the jeering McCain received when he told her it wasn’t true.]

    The crazies waving birth certificates around and getting ‘blood in the face’ red about Obama: racist.

    The signs at the rallies, the rhetoric of Glenn Beck [held in stupefyingly high regard by many of these folks] and Limbaugh, all at the very least flirt with racism, and in a number of instances have blatantly gone over the line.

    Whether or not there may be a smattering of budding Clarence Thomases and Alan Keyes’s in the tea-partying crowds — and even whether the racist animus applies to only a vocal minority of protesters — proves nothing about the very real, very ugly rhetoric involved.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Clavos, I don’t find Glenn’s comments to be “patronizing and condescending” at all, despite his particular peculiar religious views.

    On the other hand, as I’ve mentioned before, your comments space persona is pretty cynical, so I can see how his obvious sincerity and straightforwardness would grate on you…

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Oh and Dave does embarrass himself regularly because he still persists doggedly believing that he is objective and a fair judge when the reality is that he is one of the most ideologically loaded and prejudiced people I have ever encountered.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Fuck me, Dave Nalle has a sense of humour! This is the second funniest thing I’ve seen today – “You’re just unable to break out of your assumptions and see things from any other perspecitve.”

  • Clavos

    Clavos, I don’t find Glenn’s comments to be “patronizing and condescending” at all, despite his particular peculiar religious views.

    No surprise there.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Dave – I didn’t ‘cherrypick’. I chose every site on Google image search that had more than just a few faces – images of crowds. Almost without exception, these were RIGHT WING sites.

    Well that’s nice, because I never said that your did cherrypick. I said that the media cherrypicks what they present as images of the protests.

    Your assumption that I ‘cherrypicked’ is just that – an assumption, and a wrong one.

    And as usual, one which is only in your head.

    Not only that, but I looked again at your list of ‘high-quality’ black Republicans you linked to in your article. Let’s see here – there’s a video with two blacks (one speaking), there’s two other sites both run by one black man each, there’s a black Republican politician (gasp!), and the hip-hop Republicans, who have chapters in New Jersey, Washington DC, Oklahoma, Texas, California, and New York City…

    …and out of all the millions of African-Americans in those states and cities, the ‘high quality’ African-Americans of the Hip-Hop Republicans have a total of…51 members. Add them to the rest linked to in your article, and what do you have? 56.

    So, you wanted me to find a website for every black activist, libertarian and Republican in the US? That would make you happy? I just picked a reasonable assortment. I could easily have found many, many more. Ferchrissakes, the chairman of the RNC is black. There are black republican candidates running in many states. The guy with the gun at the Arizona rally was black (not that the media wanted you to know that). The guy attacked by SEIU thugs was black. Come on.

    And out of all the thousands who attended Tea Party rallies in those cities…even in the heavily African-American Washington DC…did these ‘high-quality’ African-Americans to whom you linked make themselves seen at the rallies? Two did.

    Two on my short list. In fact, there have been black speakers at almost every rally. Here in Austin Michael Williams gave a great speech. He’s also spoken at rallies in other cities in Texas during the summer. I didn’t mention him. Does that mean he doesn’t exist?

    The truth is that there are so many prominent black activists on the right that it was impractical to include more than a representative sampling.

    Dave

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    CR: “Fuck me”

    Quoted for truth.

    Dave

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Clavos: any time you want to embrace sincerity rather than petty sneering, go right ahead. Meanwhile, I think you’ve done enough in terms of having a go at Glenn’s character.

    Dave: Are you embracing bisexuality at your time of life? For once you are ahead of me but, having seen your photos, I must kindly decline. I wouldn’t want my first gay experience to carry that image!

  • zingzing

    “Well that’s nice, because I never said that your did cherrypick.”

    actually, you kinda did.

    “I see what the real demographics are rather than the carefully cherrypicked scenes you get on your preferred media outlets.”

    now the cherry picking could refer to either the media or your preference, but that’s the way it goes. could be read either way.

    “And as usual, one which is only in your head.”

    well, you are the master of vague language. is “the face of the crowd” the crowd or is it the leaders facing the crowd? that way you get to say “i never said there were lots of black people there.” and then you get to say “i never said you cherrypicked.”

    in either case, the point still stands. the information glenn was seeing was not cherry-picked, and that’s the info he was referring to. and you people is white. no matter what you say or do not say, at least say it with some conviction.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I CHALLENGE YOU DAVE NALLE!! I challenge you to write a GENUINE pro-democratic party article just to show how “Fair and balanced” you are.

    I summon the powers in heaven to protect us from the apocalypse you might cause in doing so, but I still challenge you!(8^))

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Me Me Chris Me!!!!!!!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    ACORN represents the democrats about as much as the bible-beating Baptist church represents the GOP.

    What the hell are you smoking?

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Yeah come on Dave…let’s see a good piece of fiction from you!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Well, I guess he could always label it satire, but I’m being serious damn it!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I’ll try to ask this with a straight (hmmm?) face-shouldn’t the Politics editor be impartial?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Andy, check out my new politics banner at my URL-I value your opinion

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Nicely done Jet! Makes me feel I need that wide screen monitor more now than I did yesterday, but you do nice work.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I got a 24″ LCD as a birthday present… and thanks

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I almost published it and at the last second realized some asshole had changed Air Force One’s tail number to N166ER and had to fix it. As far as I know that image is still available for unsuspecting google searchers.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    HEY I just “Dugg” this article-I may not agree with it, but we’re supposed to help each other!

    GET BUSY-Top corner first paragraph.

  • Clavos

    Meanwhile, I think you’ve done enough in terms of having a go at Glenn’s character.

    And your point would be?

  • Clavos

    I’ll try to ask this with a straight (hmmm?) face-shouldn’t the Politics editor be impartial?

    When editing, yes.

    And both Politics editors are totally impartial in their roles as editors.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “I wouldn’t want my first gay experience to carry that image!”

    I suppose the meaning is clear. One couldn’t do worse.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    So what do you think, Jet? Looks ain’t everything, we both know it. We’ve both had some dogs in our lives.

    But could you stomach his political views? That would seem to me the greatest obstacle.

  • zingzing

    “But could you stomach his political views?”

    now that’s an awful idea in the context. whew. depends on what he’s digested. omfg, i am grossing myself out.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    That’s hilarious. I didn’t mean to be offensive to the sense. You’re not gay, besides, although we all bisexuals and have had our share of dibbling around. I don’t know about you, but I have.

    Jet, on the other hand, is another story. There might be an unsurmountable aesthetic barrier.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “dabbling around …”

    Too much gin.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    But I do like Jet’s excuse for misspelling. The mind looks only at the first letter and the last. Who gives a fuck what comes in between.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Ocne you tairn yuor mnid to raed it i’ts not relaly taht hrad.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    In fcat it’d be a good meothd of getitng arunod thsoe slily banend wrods.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    But sex, Jet, is all in the mind. It’s the brain that’s the most potent sexual organ.

    Otherwise, we’re talking about the Tennessee two-bagger. I’ve outgrown that ages ago.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Yep, screw him until he’s blind.

    I wonder, though, if zing will respond. I have a feeling he wasn’t all that shocked.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I CHALLENGE YOU DAVE NALLE!! I challenge you to write a GENUINE pro-democratic party article just to show how “Fair and balanced” you are.

    For this to happen the Democrats would have to do something I could comment on in some positive way. Based on the Baucus health care bill that seems extremely unlikely. Go back and read my obit for Eugene McCarthy if you want to read something nice about Democrats. We could use more like him today.

    Dave

  • Baronius

    “it’s an overstatement, but I’m glad someone had the guts to say it out loud.”

    Handy, that’s utterly wrong. Carter was nowhere near the first person to throw around the charge of racism. As Dave points out, the accusation only started making the rounds after the “hired protestors” allegation didn’t stick.

    And what guts did it take for Carter to say that? It was a win-win for him. It made him relevent for a few hours, and it allowed him to look down on others. No one’s going to respect Carter less for saying it, and some people will respect him more. It was an easy play.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, for one, he was a man of principle, a quickly disappearing trait.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    And so was Patrick Monaghan.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Jet –

    You’ve seen Dave and Clavos and myself go at it hammer-and-tongs…but I don’t question the impartiality of their editorship. They’ve proven themselves to me. I once wrote an article that contained quite a few grammatical and spelling errors (I wrote it at 2AM), and Clavos not only corrected it, but reworded it slightly to the point that it became a stronger article supporting my extreme left-wing liberal Che-Guevara-style political worldview.

    But I’ve got this picture in my mind of Clavos gagging while he was fixing my foul-ups…maybe I should do it again sometime…. ;)

  • zingzing

    clavos couldn’t stomach your political views.

    see now? context!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Again, the photos I saw were almost exclusively conservative, right-wing, or Republican sites. I was not – as you said – perusing left-wing sites with cherry-picked photos.

    Remember how I harp on facts and evidence? I KNOW that if I limited my search to left-wing sites, I’d be skewing my research. I would be doing myself (and anyone who I might influence) a disservice. I see it as my duty, then, to make sure I can see the provable facts, the evidence.

    You said, The truth is that there are so many prominent black activists on the right that it was impractical to include more than a representative sampling.

    Truth? There’s a scene near the beginning of the first Indiana Jones movie where he tells his students that archeology is about the search for fact, not truth…and that if the students wanted truth, there was a philosophy teacher down the hall.

    If you’re going to make claims, Dave, please be able to PROVE those claims…for when you say, “There are so many black activists on the right side” but you provide no real evidence to back it up…

    …you get my meaning. Proof, evidence, and facts, please.

  • Clavos

    But I’ve got this picture in my mind of Clavos gagging while he was fixing my foul-ups…maybe I should do it again sometime…. ;)

    Please don’t, I’m still cleaning off my keyboard :-)

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    FWIW, Glenn ‘n’ Dave, Wikipedia has a comprehensive-looking list of black conservatives. By no means all of them could be considered activists, of course. Interesting list though. Very few surprises, but there is a list of links to black conservative/Republican organizations underneath which might be worth a look.

    Incidentally, I never knew that the phrase ‘jumping the shark’ came from Happy Days. Fascinating little factoid, thanks, Dave.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Clavos, I just sent Dave something to forward to you that you’ll like.

  • Clavos

    I’ll watch for it, Jet.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Clavos –

    LOL – I had to explain it to my oldest son, and he got a belly laugh out of it too.

    Thanks -

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Truth? There’s a scene near the beginning of the first Indiana Jones movie where he tells his students that archeology is about the search for fact, not truth…and that if the students wanted truth, there was a philosophy teacher down the hall.

    I’ve been thinking about writing an article on this subject for a while. The different between truth and fact is very important, as truth is to some extent subjective. And the truth is that I don’t have ALL the facts, so all I have is my own observations to go on, which are facts, though not the only facts.

    If you’re going to make claims, Dave, please be able to PROVE those claims…for when you say, “There are so many black activists on the right side” but you provide no real evidence to back it up…

    I provided links to a representative sampling. You can’t look at those links and deny that there are black activists on the right. As for there being many more than just those ones, you either have to take my word for it or prove that there are not more than I listed. The burden of doing that rests with you, because on a purely rational basis my assertion makes sense and any claim to the contrary does not. We’ve got 300 million people in this country. It’s not hard to turn up a good throng of black conservatives.

    Dave

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    The phrase “jumping the shark” comes from the TV show Happy Days where creative bankruptcy and desperation to keep ratings up resulted in a waterskiing Henry Winkler literally jumping over a shark, establishing a historical high-water mark for how far into the realm of the ridiculous and humiliating a TV show would go to attract attention and remain at the top of the ratings.

    Well, Dave, I learned something useful from this article. The rest seems the normal sturm und drang (or sturm und drek) of American partisan politics, where the two headed American mafia of control are each biting at the other head while the whole animal chokes Americans by the throat.

    So thanks for that tidbit of cultural history….

  • zingzing

    dave: ” It’s not hard to turn up a good throng of black conservatives.”

    define “good throng.”

    or don’t…

    this is primarily a caucasian-based movement. there is no doubt about that. as in all things right wing.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Zing, freeing the slaves was pretty much a caucasian-based movement too. Did that make it a bad thing? And I see great and specific parallels here.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    yeah, there weren’t any black people involved in freeing the slaves. and remember, dave, that black people WERE SLAVES. it’s not like they could just get up and go march for freedom. (not that tens or hundreds of thousands didn’t try.)

    and if you really wanna compare your tea parties to the freeing of the slaves, i think you’re gonna run into some troubles. first, it’s ridiculous, arrogant, and insulting to the memory of that abolitionist movement. your complaints DO NOT compare in the slightest to slavery. to think so is sick.

    beyond that, the only thing i can think of is that you think this will end in civil war. sorry, you’re all too chickenshit for that.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Sorry Zing, you’re wrong. The abolitionists wanted people to be free regardless of their color or why or how they were kept in servitude. That’s why many of them were also advocates for the rights of the poor, the mentally handicapped and women.

    If they looked at our situation today they would still stand with the Republican party and those on the right who see how our freedom is slipping away and they would demand an end to the out of control government which will inevitably enslave us all if we don’t take action.

    DAve

  • Jordan Richardson

    If they looked at our situation today they would still stand with the Republican party and those on the right who see how our freedom is slipping away and they would demand an end to the out of control government which will inevitably enslave us all if we don’t take action.

    C’mon, Dave. Don’t fall into the philosophically sloppy line of reasoning that suggests Historical Figure(s) A would be Modern Ideology B because Modern Ideology B is sweet, sweet perfection.

    That’s the same line of reasoning that leads those whacknuts to think Christ would be a Republican (or a Democrat).

    I think it’s perhaps more reasonable to say that today’s Republicans would advocate and desire some form of slavery due to its potential for economic benefits and the like.

    Now you talk about abolitionists being advocates to the poor (they weren’t in any broad, real sense) and how that somehow meshes with the ideology of the modern Republican party.

    I guess my question to you here is pretty simple:

    How?

  • Cannonshop

    120. “War on Poverty”-more poor people, they’re juuuust comfortable enough to be a reliable voting block for expanding the power of our Lords and Masters in Washington D.C, or on the smaller scale, the Ward bosses in Chicago, and Pols in the other inner-city hellpits.

    Enhancing dependency does NOT free the Poor, it just expands their bondage and their numbers.

    Which has been the PRACTICAL outcome of Left-wing policies since the 1970’s.

  • Clavos

    Which has been the PRACTICAL outcome of Left-wing policies since the 1970’s.

    Possibly even since the thirties.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Except that undoing the dependency cycle must go hand in hand with creating educational and employment opportunities.

    But does anyone care?

  • Cannonshop

    #123: We’re Swamped in terms of educational opportunities, for a ridiculously small fee, for instance, I’ve obtained several college-level courses’ worth of material just on iTunes, not to mention the material that ISN’T pre-packaged laying around on the net, or in libraries in the physical world (yes, folks, those book-storehouses still exist…)

    The opportunities to “LEARN” are everywhere, all the time. People choose not to. The number of hours people spend (waste) watching Jerry Springer and Oprah (or whatever it is this year) INSTEAD of developing their mental muscle is truly astounding. Meanwhile, our formal-education establishment is rotting from within. The coursework my soon-to-be-a-Senior-in-High-School neice is getting is the same shit I took in eighth grade-and I wasn’t in any of the AP classes (she is).

    Opportunity for actual “education” (wherein you actually go out and learn something) is all over the place. On the other hand, Degrees that document what you’re alleged to have learned are increasing in cost, but decreasing in value.

    Clavos, the high-school degree you earned before going to Vietnam, is worth more than two years of college was when I was in High School pretty close to twenty years later, and probably had more actual educational content than many kids carry out of a four year institution today.

    Not my numbers, them’s guv’mint numbers, kids.

    Shoddy education leads to poor employment prospects, PERIOD.

    We’ve had thirty years of declining standards in education, so naturally the work’s going away. Speaking from someone IN manufacturing on the wrench-turning level in an industry where Engineering, for instance, counts, given a choice of who to ask between a recent (last ten years) American grad vs. a guy who came from India, Pakistan, or china on a tricky repair, I’m going to ask the guy from one of the Asian countries-he’s the guy likely to know what the fuck he’s talking about-the American won’t…unless it’s WoW or Halo related, or related to one of the thousands of ’causes’ that entrance so much of our current (failing) self-proclaimed “intelligentsia” (i.e. if I want to know how cars are going to destroy the earth, or where the next anti=development rally is, I’ll as an American, if I want to know how to fix something, ask an asian…as in someone who CAME FROM asia, not someone of asian descent…)

    Shoddy Education=Shoddy Employment, simple equation, accurate equation. set-asides, ‘considerations’ and ‘reparations’ don’t fix that, neither does handing out bennies and promising that ‘the rich’ will pay for them.

    Most of our educational disaster is because of the people in charge pandering to the demands of lazy fuck-heads and their coddling parents-who were and are also lazy fuck-heads, the majority of which are concentrated in Urban areas, and have grown up believing that someone else owes them a fucking living.

  • bubbly2c

    “peaceful protests over healthcare”
    Are you kidding? What I saw were angry, irrational, wrongly informed shills for the opposition! And most of them had seen a LOT OF LIFE BY 1978. Where are you getting this stuff? Disneyland?
    Also, if you think that the ‘new generation
    of Republicans’ aren’t still old, white greyhaired fat men, you’ve only looked at the figurehead who is a middleaged oreo happy to be included for any reason.
    You see what you want to see.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Good post, bubbly.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    But it all makes sense for those who believe in the Great White Hope.

  • http://workbench.cadenhead.org/ Rogers Cadenhead

    It’s nice to see a familiar name from my old days reading Abyss, but I have to scratch my head at how much you’re reading in these protests.

    How can you think that the Democrats are the party of deluded old fogeys past their prime, given the election of a young president with a massive amount of young support? The generational edge right now is strongly in favor of the Democrats.

    How can you think the recent protests are more significant than the Obama campaign rallies that drew hundreds of thousands, as opposed to tens of thousands? Obama’s voters did not disappear.

    The idea that change “didn’t come out the way they expected,” and the future is now looking Republican, ignores the last election. All the demographics favor Democrats, and Obama will go into 2012 as the strong favorite for re-election because incumbents almost always win.

    Where’s the GOP going to find Hispanic votes? Black votes are a hopeless cause for the party, no matter how “strongly supported” you think they were by a couple of speakers at your rally.

    Bush left you in an enormous hole. I don’t think a couple of nicely attended rallies and some populist right-wing anger are enough for you to climb out.