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Guns Don’t Kill People… People Kill People

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Virginia Tech, Iraq, Rio, Philippines, Afghanistan, Darfur and Somalia…. there's definitely too many people dying right now! Then there's the unacceptable fact that Iraq has two Virginia Tech-style attacks every single day.  Unfortunately for mankind, with the aimless American war machine continuing, while elsewhere in the world there are reports such as that of the Taliban being accused of killing civilians and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threatening his army will "cut off the hand" of any attacker, it doesn't appear that death and destruction is going to stop any time soon.

Primordial man fought and killed with sticks and stones, progressing through what has been considered his development to master the use of swords, bombs, guns and missiles. We have now developed to become an advanced civilisation but man continues to fight and kill in the inner cities of America and England, slaughter in the ghettos, projects, townships and favellas, and massacre on the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan.

As much as we try to fool ourselves, mankind today is no better than primordial man who fought and killed with sticks and stones.  We just have better weaponry. Our culture of the gun was born with the Western civilisation and European domination that sucked the blood of the Third World at point blank range. As the “uncivilised world” was about to breathe its last breath we retreated, leaving our guns behind, allowing the indigenous people to continue the death and suffering on a daily basis. We thought we were far removed in our Western utopias until the War on terror forced us to adjust to the reality of violent death. Our armies and politicians have taught us to kill with the gun, our experiences have taught us to defend with the gun and popular culture has taught us to be cool with the gun. But we cannot blame it on Bush, Blair and Bin Laden alone, or on music, television and criminals, as it is the fault of us all and our acceptance of the culture of the gun.

A famous man once said that "the condition of man … is a condition of war of everyone against everyone" … "Without a common power to keep them all in awe; they are in that condition called war; and such a war, as if of every man, against every man." There will be … "no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short”.

The problem now is that the State, the Nation and the West are the “common power”, but they rule with the use of the gun and profit from the manufacture of the gun. We must  stop seeking power with use of the gun, stop accumulating wealth with use of the gun, stop waging war with use of the gun and stop initiating peace with use of the gun. Maybe then the gangs on our streets will stop using with the gun, maybe the militia in the Third world will stop using the gun and maybe the next angry/jealous student at another Virginia Tech will not use the gun.

We as citizens cannot stem the manufacture, supply and importation of dangerous weapons, nor is it our responsibility to tackle crime, particularly when government’s control the required funds, education reforms, welfare solutions and criminal justice policies to achieve a lasting effect. But we can change our views and opinions towards the legal and/or illegal use of the gun by our fathers, brothers, friends, neighbours, police and armies, while lobbying our leaders and politicians to change theirs. Whether we discuss this here, at home or on our blogs, it needs to be discussed and changes need to be made.

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  • Arch Conservative

    GUNS DON’T KILL PEOPLE. ABORTION CLINICS DO!

  • zingzing

    ABORTION CLINICS DON’T KILL PEOPLE. ABORTION CLINIC BOMBERS DO!

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    Posts don’t kill braincells, comments from you two bozos do.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    ahh, dave…

  • Servant

    People die.

    Get over it.

    Everyone else has too.

  • Arch Conservative

    “Posts don’t kill braincells, comments from you too bozos do.”

    If you didn’t just call me a bozo I wouldn’t feel it necessary to say it’s two not too Dave.

    As for abortion clinic bombers killing people…….they would have to kill thousands more people to catch up with the amount of blood that Planned Parenthood has on it’s hands.

  • Arch Conservative

    Are you honestly going to lump me in with zing Dave?

    We’re not even talking about abortion here….we’re talking about partial birth abortion.

    Do you buy into all the leftist propaganda about this ruling’s intent being to take rights away from women Dave?

    How can anyone reasonable person who has done at least a modest amount of research realize that this is in fact a viable human being and that it is very very seldom indeed a matter of performing this procedure as a last resort to save the mom’s life.

    Call me a bozo Dave but it would seem in poll after poll after poll that the vast majority of the American public finds this procedure just as disturbing as I do and is thankful for this ruling.

    On this issue I am much, much more mainstream than the “abortion at all costs” crowd.

  • Arch Conservative

    That should be not realize

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    Are you honestly going to lump me in with zing Dave?

    Only in the sense that you both made equally stupid comments in all caps.

    We’re not even talking about abortion here….we’re talking about partial birth abortion.

    Yes, I agree that they’re not the same thing.

    Do you buy into all the leftist propaganda about this ruling’s intent being to take rights away from women Dave?

    I believe I commented at length on this on the other PBA thread. Not only is that propaganda a pile of crap, but IMO Ruth Bader Ginsberg is either lying or insane in her dissenting opinion. Based on that dissent she probably ought to be impeached.

    How can anyone reasonable person who has done at least a modest amount of research realize that this is in fact a viable human being and that it is very very seldom indeed a matter of performing this procedure as a last resort to save the mom’s life.

    All true, but the REAL point here is that the leftists are claiming that the PBA law does not preserve the potential for PBAs when the mother’s life is at stake, which is absolutely untrue. The bill makes that entirely clear. They are also claiming that it rules out similar procedures for early term pregnancies which is also absolutely untrue. Those claims which I’m hearing on the media over and over are bald-faced lies.

    Call me a bozo Dave but it would seem in poll after poll after poll that the vast majority of the American public finds this procedure just as disturbing as I do and is thankful for this ruling.

    Well sure. All abortion is distasteful, but while I believe that it’s excusable in the early phases of pregnancy, murdering a viable person is unacceptable.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    archie: Are you honestly going to lump me in with zing Dave?

    dave: Only in the sense that you both made equally stupid comments in all caps.

    well, it should seem obvious that mine was then a parody of his. do you think i would have made the statement, as such, without archie’s being there first. i’m kind of confused as to what abortion has to do with the post anyway, having only skimmed it.

  • Servant

    Thus, the sweep of personal attacks begin. Can anyone in this blog write comments without insulting anyone? I mean, it is a little unprofessional.

    And here I thought this article was about gun control. Surely that is a controversial enough topic without abortion being dragged into it.

    Fact is, jamal, humans need more effective ways to kill people to compensate for our lovely public health problems. Unless you suggest a viable method for the resolution of an irreconcialable disagreement without armed conflict, this article is worthless. Unless, of course, we massacre our pre-born population.

  • Zedd

    Jamal

    Great article.

    The glamorization of guns in our society contributes to young kids in “the hood” who feel powerless, seeking them out. While crime in slums has always existed, the carnage without the guns would not be so extensive.

    I don’t know if people realise just how much urban crime supports the gun industry. The mere thought of Black and Hispanic Males has sold uncountable numbers of guns. As guns are stolen from homes and get into the hands of those who commit hold ups and other such crimes, the more people go out to purchase more guns for their “protection”.

  • Arch Conservative

    “I mean, it is a little unprofessional.”

    Gee.. when I start getting paid to post on this site I’ll start acting “professional.” How’s that?

  • Anthony

    I just want to point out some real facts. Why do we allow people to own guns in the US? Read the federalist papers and the works of our forefathers and you will see the answer is simple.

    That being said: If guns kill people then pencils write words wrong.

    I believe that we should have all the populace at 18 trained in proper use of firearms. In addition I believe that it should be required to carry a gun at all times. This will do several things. First it will nearly stop all petty crimes. A criminal is not going to rob a store when they know that everyone has a gun and knows how to use it. Second it will give people a greater awareness of the responsibility of such a firearm.

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Sure, let’s just draft the entire population into the military too…

  • http://ruvysroost,blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Sure, let’s just draft the entire population into the military too…

    Chris, that is what is done in Switzerland (with men anyway), and to a lesser extent, here. It’s not that bad an idea…

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    So if it’s men only, it’s NOT the entire population is it? And not ALL men serve there either. Thanks for the utter pointlessness of your remark, Ruvy…

    D’oh!

  • http://ruvysroost,blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    If I didn’t have to deal with the pettifogging pickiness and pointless hairsplitting on Jewish lists, I’d accuse you of something. You display the same traits.

    Being the big picture guy you are, you can’t see that everybody needs to learn to handle a gun, but not EVERYBODY needs to be drafted into the military.

    Ah huh – tell me another one…

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Ruvy, seeing as you can’t even handle yourself in an online conversation without losing it or displaying mind-numbing conceit or rudeness – and you’re not a complete moron – I shudder at the prospect of people even less thoughtful than you being armed.

  • sr

    Great comments Ruvy. Christopher you speak liberal well. One sheet of toilet paper for you dude.

  • Arch Conservative

    “Sure, let’s just draft the entire population into the military too…”

    Correct me if I’m wrong but you’re a limey wanker who lives on the other side of the pond are you not Christopher?

    So what is this let’s bullshit.

    Let’s is short for let us. The topic pertained to gun control in America. You’re not an American. You don’t get to say let’s. You’re not allowed to use any other language that would lead one to believe you’re an American in your participation in discussions pertaining to American issues.

    You don’t hear me saying shit like “let’s all go smell the queens farts” or ” let’s all listen to what George Galloway has to say,” do ya?

  • sr

    Arch, would rather smell the gueens farts then to stick my nose in fat rosies bung hole. Vomit city dude.

  • zingzing

    archie, you only talk like that to foreigners when they disagree with you.

    i, for one, agree with chris (you know that)… and it’s just an opinion of his. is he free to have opinions? on america?

    is he free to have a say in english matters, even though he lives in spain? can you have an opinion on policy matters in california?

    i think you know the answers.

  • Arch Conservative

    Zing I didn’t say he didn’t have the right to have opinions on America or American issues. You need to better your reading comprehension skills pal.

    What I said was he shouldn’t use language like “let’s” that implies he himself is an American when he is not. It’s a point worth making because he, unlike you and I does not live here and does not experience American culture and life every day like we do. He sits on the other side of the ocean and throws rocks and spits at us and then has the nerve to speak as if he were one of us.

  • zingzing

    everyone knows chris is european.

    also, everyone knows he wasn’t seriously calling for the conscription of every u.s. citizen.

    also, you know that when he said “let’s,” he wasn’t saying “let us americans.”

    and yes, everyone knows you shoot down foreign opinions on gun control using the “you’re not american so you shut up” argument. it’s not an argument. he can comment all he likes, and he can use whatever language he likes to comment when he chooses to.

  • Paul2

    “You’re not allowed to use any other language that would lead one to believe you’re an American in your participation in discussions pertaining to American issues.”

    “He sits on the other side of the ocean and throws rocks and spits at us and then has the nerve to speak as if he were one of us.”

    Always when I thought it couldn’t get any worse…

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Thanks for the words of support guys, but don’t be too hard on Archie. He can’t help himself when twisting reason to fit his archaic worldview, he’s “special” that way.

    I think part of the reason he gets so mad at me (in addition to my superior reasoning abilities of course, chortle!) is that he’s well aware that the next time he goes too far on this site, he’s going to enjoy a compulsory thirty day holiday from BC – and I’m the executioner.

    I can assure you all that it won’t be anything he says to me that will trigger such an event though. That would be too easy! Maybe it’s the thought of someone he disagrees with having such powers that enrages him so. He hates tolerance, which he derides as liberalism or leftism, but is being tolerated; must drive him nuts!

  • Arch Conservative

    Since when is contemporary American liberalism about tolerance Chris?

    The fact that you would believe that bullshit and speak as if you had even as much of a tenth of the personal experience I have with American liberalism is what makes me angry Chris.

    One need only to look at America’s college and universities and observe the manner in which the faculty and administraion, which make a large part of the guardians of leftist ideology in this nation, do everything in there power to silence, belittle, demean, ridicule and invalidate anyone who dares espouse any speech that doesn’t completely adhere to leftist ideology.

    I am sure that you will deny that this is the truth Chris but what do I know…I’m just an American living in America, who has graduated from college in the past five years and been on over 75-100 college campuses….. while you’re a foreigner living in Spain lecturing to Americans who disagree with your leftist propaganda how vastly superior your understanding of all aspects of American culture is from your keyboard.

    Yeah you’re right.. I have no basis whatsoever ever for resenting you in the least.

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Archie, despite the fact that your reasoning is so impaired that you entirely inaccuratelyly make up my beliefs for me, I will toss you this bone.

    I totally believe that there are many leftist loons the whole world over, not just in America. I also agree with you that there are a lot of them in academia. On the other hand, there are a lot of right wing loons in business circles.

    I have precious little time for these moronic talking heads from either end of the political spectrum and despise mindless party politics as it is generally practiced, whether in the USA, Europe or anywhere else for that matter.

    When you manage to grasp these simple facts, stop talking like a mindless robot and get over assigning views to me that I don’t actually have, maybe we could have a decent interaction.

    An apology for repeatedly attacking me on the basis of views I don’t have would be a good place for you to start, if you can actually handle yourself with a little honesty and integrity…

  • STM

    “The topic pertained to gun control in America. You’re not an American”

    Zzzzzzz … come on Arch, Eric set this site up as an international site. And what’s the point of that if you can only comment on certain issues?

    The whole idea of these discussion boards is to challenge each other (whether we like the opposing views or not). And the truth is many non-Americans in western countries find America’s fascination with guins really bizarre. Talking about it helps us understand why you are all so totally insane :)

  • STM

    And Arch, holding views that would have us regarded as “liberals” and lefties in America isn’t necessarily the case elsewhere. As an outsider, I wouldn’t say that Chris’s views are leftist. Far from it.

    The only criticism I have of him is that he’s a Pommy – and on that basis alone, he should be buried up to his neck in sand whilst people pelt him with rotten fruit.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Bing,

    One of the things that Americans do not WANT to understand (remember, Nalle was brought up in this neck of the woods and spent considerable time on this side of the pond – but he has the same American outlook that doesn’t recognize a “left wing” either) is that there is no real “left wing” in America. It was operated off the American political chicken in 1919 during the Red Scare after the Great War. In practical terms, this means that what you call “liberal, leftie, commie pinko” is barely left of center by European standards. And by those same standards, yours are off to the loony right wing by any NON-AMERICAN pair of eyes.

    Whatever Chris’ views are, they are accurately representative of a middle of the road European point of view, one informed by both the European “right wing” AND “left wing” in politics.

    In addition, I would note that he has spent some time in your country, and has some knowledge of it beyond that of a mere tourist. The same goes for Stan Denham. I’d further remind you that this is an international site, not merely an American chat board. Unfortunately, when some idiot goes blowing off people in Virginia, it gets trumpeted like it was a worse disaster than the Boxing Day tsunami.

    Finally I would point out to you that while Americans are terribly self-absorbed, farting their politics in everybody’s face and expecting them to understand, while rarely ever taking the trouble to try to understand how Europeans, Canadians, Middle Easterners or Desis think, the rest of the world is not so self-absorbed. American multinational corporations do not allow them to be with constant marketing of America all over the place.

    I’d love to be in one town in Israel where an entire week went by without some idiot advertising “Hadásh m’amérika!” (new from America) or some news broadcast talking about “hanasí ha’amerikái, George Bush….” (the American president, George Bush…” – where life was lived WITHOUT REFERENCE TO THE UNITED STATES!

    It seems that no matter where one goes we can’t escape you all! You’re all over the place like a bad smell! Like Clifford the Big Red, White and Blue Dog taking a humongous shit.

    FEH!!

  • Arch Conservative

    “Zzzzzzz … come on Arch, Eric set this site up as an international site. And what’s the point of that if you can only comment on certain issues?

    Chris not being an AMerican is a valid point. I never said he should not be allowed to have opinions on American matters. What I said is that being an American and actually living in this nation gives one a much better frame of reference for speaking upon American matters than watching them on TV overseas. I would think that any logical and reasonable person could see how this is true.

    Being an American living in America I would not presume to know more about European issues than Europeans and lecture them on their inferior grasp of their own culture. I am not that arrogant or ignorant. But Chris has proven time and again that he is in the way that he speaks to those who disagree with him, but are unlike him, immersed in American culture.

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Arch, so are you saying that it’s not possible for an informed American to know more about European issues than a European who had no interest in political issues? I think possibly not.

    Similarly, it’s also the case that a European might be able to see things American a little more clearly than some Americans, particularly if they are so idealogically loaded as yourself.

    I’m not saying that I see things better than you but I’m fairly confident that I see them more clearly. If that makes me either arrogant or ignorant in your particular view of the world, well, that’s a burden I’m prepared to live with.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    “so are you saying that it’s not possible for an informed American to know more about European issues than a European who had no interest in political issues? I think possibly not.

    Similarly, it’s also the case that a European might be able to see things American a little more clearly than some Americans, particularly if they are so ideologically loaded as yourself.”

    Chris,

    Your reasoning is a bit faulty here. The first paragraph makes sense. You, following events carefully from you home in Spain would be more informed about America than someone like Homer Simpson, to give an example.

    But Bing is not Homer Simpson. He does, particularly when he is willing to doff the “arch conservative” persona he has crafted for himself, come off as a person who is not ideologically loaded at all. And he is well informed. While you have spent some time in the States and do have a “feel” for what life is like there, his “feel” is far superior to yours. Where he lacks is not in the “feel” for American culture, but the understanding of where you might be coming from in your observations. You are just as ideologically loaded as he, but your load is of a different makeup, and stresses different issues than his does. The same thing goes for Stan Denham, and for me.

    The only reason I can say this at all is because my father carried a European point of view all of his life, particularly in politics, while my mother, born in the Bronx, carried an American one. I got to see both close up for the twenty years that I lived at home.

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    “Bing is not Homer Simpson” says Ruvy. Indeed says I!

    Seriously, I’m not surprised that you don’t accept my point of view Ruvy, as you have many times used the same argument to try, in vain, to stop people outside Israel commenting on what goes on there.

    The very fact that you can state, in all apparent seriousness, that Arch “is not ideologically loaded at all” is a complete giveaway.

    I also do not accept at all that I am “just as ideologically loaded” as Arch, or for that matter yourself. You both have fairly well defined positions whereas I work really hard to take each case on its merits.

    I would accept that I am subject to bias but you two are prejudiced, and there is a whole world of difference between the two.

    Bias means “I will find for my side if the evidence allows it” whilst prejudiced is “I will find for my side regardless of what the evidence says”. I think the former is acceptable whilst the latter is not.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/clavos Clavos

    Bias means “I will find for my side if the evidence allows it” whilst prejudiced is “I will find for my side regardless of what the evidence says”. I think the former is acceptable whilst the latter is not.

    Nice definition, Chris!

  • Arch Conservative

    Ruvy hit the nail on the head. I experience American culture every day of my life. I am AMerican culture. At leats a small part of it. This does not mean foreigners can not be educated about American affairs or should not have opinions. It simple means that being immersed in the AMerican culture every waking minute of one’s life seems like a more legitimate basis to claim familiarty and knowdledge of the culture than making an occasional trip here or followign American affairs in the media.

    “whereas I work really hard to take each case on its merits.”

    You do well then how would you address the issue I brought that concerns American colleges and universities being run and dominated intolerant liberals Chris? I’m curious what you think. My basis for this assertion is actually having been on many college campues within the past 5 -10 years and onserving what goes on. What is your opinion of the issue and what’s your basis for your viewpoint?

    Also have you never seens signs of that indicate I am not as idoelogically motivated as you believe? Have you not seen any of my numerous posts where I have critisized Christian fundamentalists in America for trying to force their religion upon others who didn’t ask for it? Have you not seen any of the posts in which I have critisized George Bush on a number of things?

    The last thing is that I do not necessarily possess any hostility toward all non-Anericans per se. It’s just that it often seems so hypocritical that people want to bash America all day long but then have no problem consuming/purchasing products from us, asking for our help, or even emigrating here. The european mindset and the american are fundamentally different in that europeans seem to place a much hgiher value on collectivism and the good of all at the expense of the individual while americans believe the exact opposite. I have no desire to tell other nations how they should best run their nation or shape their culture because I would consider that presumptious and arrogant so I don’t take very kindly to foreigners doing that very thing to Americans.

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Arch, in response to your question about US academia, I have already answered this in comment number 29 paragraph two. It’s much the same in Europe too.

    Just because you have criticised Christian fundamentalists or Bush doesn’t mean you’re not idealogically motivated.

    If there are any Americans that don’t understnd that on some levels collective action is good and/or necessary and believe that individualism is always best, they are fooling themselves.

  • zingzing

    so, archie… what’s this “american culture?” are you possibly suggesting that “america” where you are is the same “america” in miami, or l.a. or minneapolis, or buttfuck, north carolina? those places are just about as different from each other as your little community is from chris’ little community.

    you understand a part of american culture. you experience THAT part of american culture everyday. as i understand it, you’re somewhere in new england (i can never remember which state, but it’s not massachusetts… maybe new hampshire?) in a rather small city. there probably are a whole lot more puerto ricans there than there are chinese, and you probably don’t see too many black people or muslims. just a guess.

    that said, i’ve lived several places, including europe, and i find that life is pretty much the same everywhere you go. little things change, and politics is just a little thing in the bigger scope of everyday life, but you still do the same things: you wake up, shower, shit, smoke, eat, drink, work, play, drink, screw and sleep again. doesn’t matter where you go. i just got back from china. the scenery changes, the traffic is crazy, people are shorter… but life’s pretty damn similar.

    chris, ruvy and you get to tell each other your respective opinions because we are all HUMAN. it’s a small world, getting smaller every day. things that happen here effect things over there. we are all in this together.

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Clavos, I believe very strongly in the words you quoted in #37 above. In my more headstrong moments I actually believe people who don’t get it shouldn’t be allowed any kind of position of authority at all. It’s a fundamental principle that I try to live by and have done for at least thirty years.

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    I would accept that I am subject to bias but you two are prejudiced, and there is a whole world of difference between the two.

    To provide yet another outside and relatively objective viewpoint, I would suggest that the idea of Chris, Ruvy and Arch discussing which one of them is more prejudiced is like some sort of three stooges routine from the twilight zone. You’re like 3 sides of the same talus. Each of you is primarily identifiable by the combination of having extreme ideological prejudices and at the same time being completely unwilling to admit it and projecting your own biases onto others. It’s like you’re standing in a circle poking each other in the eye and then blaming the guy next to you.

    On the plus side, once any of you gets outside of your little box of preconceptions, you have something positive to contribute on topics about which you’re not fanatical and deluded.

    Dave

  • STM

    Unlike the rest of us, eh Dave? :)

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    Stan, everyone has their prejudices, but some are particularly oblivious to their own shortcomings while hyperconscious of the shortcomings of others.

    Dave

  • STM

    Archie wrote: “It simply means that being immersed in the AMerican culture every waking minute of one’s life”.

    Archie, I might as well be in America. Every second TV program is American. My kids speak like Americans. My wife’s favourite show is the Bold and the Beautiful (you only have to watch one episode a year to work out what’s going on) and has been for about 15 years. I don’t live there, but trust me, I fucken well feel like I do … you want to immerse me in your culture, expect me to have an opinion :)

  • STM

    Dave said: “some are particularly oblivious to their own shortcomings while hyperconscious of the shortcomings of others.”

    Lol. It IS funny to watch them arguing the toss. It’s better than a three-ring circus, this place.
    Gotta love it …

  • STM

    Dave … why are you up so bloody early on a Saturday?

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    My sleep schedule – which normally gets me up late and to bed late – accidentally got reversed on Friday when I crashed at 10pm, waking up at 5:30 as a result.

    Dave

  • STM

    Dave: You will start to flag badly around 2pm. A nap will be in order around that time or you’ll be totally stuffed. I know how it works, having been a shift-worker for 30 years. Napping’s the key.

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Dave’s remarks in comment #42 ought to win him an award for barefaced cheek! Of course, as one of the most subjective and ultimately self-deluding people I have ever encountered, the reward is entirely in his own imagination!

    The fact that he clearly sees no difference between bias and prejudice merely serves to confirm the mental blindness of a twice over self-titled elitist. I’m gobsmacked at the cheek of it – but ultimately not surprised at this ultimate idealogue fooling himself yet again.

  • STM

    Here we go … I’m getting a coldie and a deckchair for this one.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/clavos Clavos

    Stan,

    Slow down, mate. You say:

    I don’t live there, but trust me, I fucken well feel like I do … you want to immerse me in your culture, expect me to have an opinion :)

    I can well imagine how pervasive American culture is in Oz. Particularly when one considers how close these two countries are in almost every respect (except for the language issue, of course).

    BUT…it is not we who are immersing you in our culture; if there were no demand for those aspects of our culture in Oz, they wouldn’t be there. The culture thing is not a “push”; it’s a “pull”.

    If you Aussies weren’t buying, we’d be peddling them elsewhere; to the Kiwis, for example. :>)

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Mind you, I will concede that Dave has described himself perfectly in his comment #44. It’s the truest thing he’s said for ages!

  • STM

    Yeah, Clav, you buggers have sucked us right in. The Kiwis are gone too, I think.

    I can tell you that the first time I went to America in 1980, I used to forget all the time that I was somewhere else.

    Except when I saw people driving on the wrong side of the road.

  • STM

    Rosey: I was thinking in terms of black kettles and pots, I must admit

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    I should think so, Stan. My point is that Dave knows full well, assuming he’s capable of accepting what I’ve stated here many times, that I don’t have a political ideology.

    I don’t have a high opinion of the current state of politics in most of the world and don’t subscribe to political dogma of any kind. I believe in pragmatic solutions to specific problems for the good of us all and don’t care at all where that sits on the political spectrum.

  • STM

    My natural fall-back position is that of cynic, so I suspect our mate Dave is just giving us a good wind-up much of the time.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Chris, read comment #32 AND comment #35. The two go together. One is addressed to Bing – why you have a legitimate voice on American culture, and one is addressed to you as to why, while you have a legitimate voice, Bing’s is more informed than yours.

    It’s all that simple.

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    Dave’s remarks in comment #42 ought to win him an award for barefaced cheek! Of course, as one of the most subjective and ultimately self-deluding people I have ever encountered, the reward is entirely in his own imagination!

    And the same right back at you, Chris.

    The fact that he clearly sees no difference between bias and prejudice merely serves to confirm the mental blindness of a twice over self-titled elitist. I’m gobsmacked at the cheek of it – but ultimately not surprised at this ultimate idealogue fooling himself yet again.

    Actually, prior to writing #42 I read and took note of your not unreasonable comments on that subject and adhered strictly to your definitions.

    And I still find it amusing that you can accuse me of being an ideologue while being completely incapable of explaining or even identifying my supposed ideology.

    Dave

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    My point is that Dave knows full well, assuming he’s capable of accepting what I’ve stated here many times, that I don’t have a political ideology.

    You can state that all you want, and even whisper it to yourself before you go to sleep, but it doesn’t make it true.

    Merely not having signed on for the platform of a particular political party or movement does NOT mean that you don’t have a political ideology.

    If you take all of your beliefs and boil them down to their basic, consistent elements, I guarantee that you’ll end up with something identifiable as an ideology of some sort.

    BTW, have you taken the world’s smallest political quiz I’d be interested to see the results. I wonder if there’s a version customized for Europeans. Actually, for better results try the more detailed version at The Political Compass.

    Dave

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Keep dreaming Dave; there really are none so blind as those who will not see.

    Obviously, any set of views can be placed within a taxonomy but the difference I see between someone like myself and you is that your taxonomic definition will accurately predict your views. This is because you have such a codified set of ideas, a political ideology as you put it, whereas I don’t care at all about poliitcal perspectives but about meaningful solutions.

    That’s why you’ll never see me routinely castigating the left as you do and you’ll also often, but not always, find me siding with conservatives on many economic issues.

    Oh, I took those somewhat oddly constructed and fairly arbitrary quizzes and came out as a Liberal with a personal score of 70% and an Economics score of 20% in the former and as a Libertarian with an Economic score of -0·88 and a Social score of -4·41 in the latter. Make of that what you will.

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Ruvy, I had already seen those remarks of yours and agree somewhat with your first one but mostly don’t agree with your second point.

  • Jacob

    YOU ARE A RETARDED!!!!!

  • Shannon McFadden

    Why do people kill other people. And why do people do not care about it.

  • davey the wavey

    Guns don’t kill people, idiot bloggers do.

  • Tom

    leave dave alone.
    you peaple make me cry at night.

  • Wakefield Tolbert

    What “changes” are to be made then?

    More “banning” of inanimate objects?

    Thought control of the populace that connects hunting of rabbits with Gangland violence, when it is known by criminologists the world over the it is CRIMINAL thinking, not objects in and of themselves, that causes violence?

    And to what extent is the gun to be demonized?

    Used for hunting but not self-defense–lest the latter idea somehow magically bleed over into “gun culture” violence?

    We’ve all seen this before. Michael Bellisiles somes to mind, fraud as he was. Yet the commentary given the boost by his fraudelent claims in Arming America persist.

    It has nothing so much to do with criminal notions of getting away with something or parental guardianship or the misfires of the Welfare State that has taken over the role in many urban areas of what used to be called “daddy”—but rather…
    It has nothing to do with a generation of hoodlums aided and abetted by liberal courts and judges who place burdons on society that they themselves escape. It has nothing to do with propriety and morals.

    We have a “shoot’em up” gun culture. No sooner than two boys play at Cowboys than one of him somehow “finds” himself in court next to his lawyers pleading that the poor bozo had bad toilet training in life and didn’t mean to cut an old man’s gullet or pop a cap in him over 50 bucks.

    Guns are magical! They have POWERS unknown to other tokens and talismans!

  • 3 sides to every story

    You may be surprised the stats on people who will abort their own babies if there were no abortion clinics