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Girls Gone Wild Creator Joe Francis: Sexual Predator With a Waiver Form?

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Girls Gone Wild creator and celebrity-glommer Joe Francis has apparently let his extended 15 minutes of fame go straight from his head to his groin.

Francis has amassed a multi-million dollar fortune making low-budget films featuring barely-legal age drunk women performing tawdry acts on camera for cheap trinkets. But now, via court records and a blockbuster new report, Francis, 33, is revealed as not just a smut-pushing profiteer, but also an opportunistic sexual abuser, allegedly taking a drunken woman's virginity against her wishes, manhandling a female reporter, harassing pregnant women into miscarriage, and routinely equating women with their genitalia.

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting Joe Francis may be the most vile celebrity sociopath who hasn't actually killed anyone. Yet.

The strange phenomena of intoxicated groups of girls getting naked on tape while cameramen casually suggest they make-out with their friends, masturbate in front of strangers, or otherwise degrade themselves, is some kind of toxic byproduct of the reality TV-celebrity mania that has taken our popular culture hostage. If pseudo-reality shows like The Real World, Flavor of Love, and Road Rules are the gutters of celeb-dom, then these low-rent party-porn productions are the sewers.

And Mantra, Francis' production company, knows where to strike: mass party settings like Spring Break, Mardi Gras, college revelries, and nightclub events, where mob mentality, peer pressure, narcissism, alcohol, and drugs can easily overcome inhibitions and scruples in the guise of "liberation."

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Joe Francis grew up in affluent Laguna Beach, California, and surely this gave him a taste for the finer things in life, like the Ferrari car and Gulfstream Jet he owns. What it didn't give him was talent, values, or respect for women. But having one's own jet certainly makes the ability to travel to warm locales and induce the natives to frolic in their natural environment just that much easier. Girls Gone Wild isn't just Francis' livelihood, but his lifestyle.

With his "film" chops honed and sharpened as a production assistant for the syndicated Reality TV show – where viewers sent in amateur videos – in the mid-'90s, it was hardly a leap of imagination to Francis' first solo business venture, Banned From Television. BFT featured gruesome images of animal attacks, vehicular accidents, and nightmare inducing gore.

After that tasteful jaunt, it was a small intellectual puddle jump to capture inebriated girls doing embarrassing things on video. While humans have been engaging in promiscuous sex under the influence of one substance or another since the beginning of time, it is a new thing to actually induce the behavior, capture it in video form, and sell it for personal profit.

This isn't porn, where the stars are paid for their performance and a professional structure is in place to give the appearance of legitimacy, this is like peeking in on a girls' slumber party after they've gotten into their parent's liquor. Sure it happens, but is it reasonable to have these moments haunt you on tape forever, and never see a dime of compensation?

Some would call it genius on Francis' part and many might admire his audacity. Further solidifying his pimp-celeb status, Francis has been seen in the company of celeb-sluts like Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan.

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Possibly the most succinct example of Francis' moral failure is the story of a young woman named Janeel Szyszka, detailed in a LATimes story by Claire Hoffman.

Szyszka is described as "a petite 18-year-old who prances around the stage like a star" who is "discovered" at a club outside Chicago where GGW is scouting for talent. As she describes it, Francis "grabbed" her by the arm, pulled her toward him, and said, "You are so going on the bus later." Rather than recoiling in horror, the flattered Szyszka response was, "Um, OK." "I was shocked," she said. "I was like, 'Whoa – Joe's, like, trying to talk to me … out of all the girls in here."

Szyszka agreed to the invitation and went back with Francis to the VIP area to drink shots.

Predictably, Szyszka admits that the more she drank, the "cloudier her judgment became." Ultimately, she agreed to join Francis and his crew on the Girls Gone Wild bus. What did Szyszka think awaited her on the bus? Cristal champagne, caviar, linens, and lace? Nope, she had a pretty good idea. "I thought Girls Gone Wild was like flashing, and I thought I would flash them and be done. And so when I'm walking to the bus, that's all I'm thinking is going to happen."

Instead she found a "small bedroom" with a "double bed, iridescent purple sheets," a "crate holding cheap and fruity-flavored rum, whiskey, tequila and Kool-Aid," and "lubricants, condoms, sex toys in plastic bags, baby oil, a DVD called How To Be a Player and a clipboard full of waivers for girls to sign."

The dangers of liquid courage.

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting What's on tape is a zoomed-in shot of Szyszka's driver's license, illustrating her legal-to-humiliate-status, and, of course, some flattering cameos of Szyszka slightly less than with-it visage complete with "nails chipped" and "eyes coated with makeup." Straight out of The Accused, minus the filmed gang rape.

The exact details of Janeel's on-screen appearance are salacious, predictable, and sad as she admits she's a virgin and the acts she's engaged in are physically uncomfortable to her.

According to follow up conversations between Szyszka and reporter Hoffman, Francis excused the cameraman and "pushed [Szyszka] back on the bed, undid his jeans and climbed on top of her."

"I said 'No' twice in the beginning," Szyszka said, and, "'Oh, my god, it hurts.' I kept telling him it hurt, but he kept going, and he said he was sorry but kissed me so I wouldn't keep talking."

Skip the cuddling, spooning, and post-coital repose and go directly to the paper-towel clean up, here's-your-free-t-shirt, don't-tell-a-soul, hit-the-road-biyatch spiel all young no-longer-virgins love to hear.

When Hoffman questioned Francis about this incident – which he emphatically denied ever occurred – there were expletives, threats of lawsuits, nails going into coffins, and someone laughing last.

An email message from Francis' lawyer state, contrary to his original claim, that Francis and Szyszka did, indeed, have sex, "consensual sex," but neither Francis nor anyone affiliated with Girls Gone Wild gave her any alcohol.

The email also notes "neither Mr. Francis nor any of the GGW staff in or around the bus recall Ms. Szyszka making any complaint or comment about Mr. Francis," and, "in fact, Ms. Szyszka was in good spirits after the encounter, and numerous witnesses have stated that she danced with her friends outside the bus for nearly two hours afterward."

As for Ms. Szyszka's virginal status, the lawyer added proudly, "Though Mr. Francis cannot speak to Ms. Szyszka's discomfort during the encounter, other news stories have commented that Mr. Francis is reputedly well-endowed."

Hmm, interesting play, counselor.

And lest we think the Times' Hoffman is just a feminist out to paint a bleak picture of the misunderstood Francis, it would be irresponsible not to mention his physical attack on her on the same night he allegedly date-raped Ms. Szyszka. In Hoffman's words, Francis "turned on her," pressed her face against the hood of a car, her arms "twisted hard" behind her back. Then he pushed himself against her, shouting, "This is what they did to me in Panama City!"

And why was Francis reenacting his run-in with the law on Ms. Hoffman? That's anyone's guess, but the original incident that inspired the reenactment on Hoffman was his 2003 arrest on charges of "racketeering, drug trafficking and promoting the sexual performance of a child" in Bay County, Florida. Either this incident is a source of extreme pride or profound embarrassment for Francis, because, according to Hoffman, he went on and on about it, all the while exerting his bulky 6'2" frame upon her.

Mr. Francis' arrogance and total lack of self-control has plagued him since his rise to infamy, and he has a long list of pending and undisclosed legal suits associated with his name and that of his company, Mantra Entertainment.

In 2000, Stephanie Van de Motter obtained a restraining order after Francis allegedly harassed and threatened her, including twice climbing up and pounding on her bedroom window, screaming obscenities at her.

What did she do to piss him off? As property manager of his Santa Monica apartment, she "allowed" garbage collectors to make too much noise and wake him up.

Darian Mathias-Patterson filed suit against Francis in 2003 for emotional distress due, in part, to threats made against her life when she wouldn't return a $25,000 deposit for a party rental space that was trashed by 2,000 guests at a Halloween party Francis threw there. She told police Francis hurled profanities at her, saying, "I'm going to [expletive] get you, you [expletive] whore."

Ms. Mathias-Patterson, who was pregnant at the time, miscarried two weeks later. The case against Francis and Mantra, filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court, was settled for an undisclosed amount.

A year later in 2004, in a police report, a woman (not named in the article) accused Francis of drugging her after meeting him in a bar in South Beach, Fla. Police later dropped the case due to a "lack of evidence," and now Francis is suing her for $25,000,036 for defamation. The $36 is for hamburgers he bought the woman and her friend, post-"consensual sex," the next morning.

What a gentleman.

And what of the LATimes reporter, Claire Hoffman? She's still trying to figure out what happened to her.

Leland Zaitz, a producer working for Francis at the Chicago shoot, told Hoffman "he interpreted the whole thing as Francis being affectionate toward me, despite the fact that the pressure he applied was so intense that hours later, my arms were covered in red hand marks."

Zaitz says, "He starts having fun and he realizes that most people can't keep up with him and he gets a little rough. I think it was just Joe's version of being playful and goofy. I think he was trying to bring you in closer."

A police officer who was also present, Ementi Coary, told Hoffman he didn't intervene because he had been told by Girls Gone Wild crew members that "Francis and I had 'hooked up' and that we 'had a thing going' and that I was 'just jealous.'"

"I was under the impression that you guys knew each other, that something was going on between you and that you guys were playing around. I changed my mind when he was grabbing your arm. That didn't look like playing around anymore," said Coary. He eventually called for backup and pried Francis off of the reporter.

After this incident, Hoffman was awaiting a cab when Francis "tip-toed" past nearby officers. "He rubbed my shoulder. His gestures were oddly gentle – even fond. I felt sick."

"'I'm sorry,'" he said, reaching over to tousle my hair. 'We love our little reporter. Don't we guys? We love our little reporter.'

"I stared down at the dirt as he whispered in my ear, 'I'm sorry, baby, give me a kiss. Give me a kiss.'"

One gets the eerie feeling Francis, like an eight-year-old boy, thinks hitting girls, pulling their hair, and calling them names is all part of the male-female dating ritual. Fortunately, most men grow out of this mentality by the time they hit puberty. But for Joe Francis, stunted maturity, power, money, and an obvious contempt for women has accumulated into a dangerous, potentially tragic, blend.

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About Dawn Olsen

  • http://www.thurstondigital.com/journal/ Thurston

    Hold the phone. You mean to tell me none of these alcoholic girls are to blame? It’s not like the guys has magic powers. They’re wasted and do this stupid crap for attention.

  • Dawn

    Yes, that’s true. But are you saying there is no complicity in providing alcohol, creating an environment where the girls feel pressured and then making a profit that is not shared with the amatuer performer? Does that really seem fair?

    Like I said, the issue isn’t the videos, which are repulsive and disgusting, but Joe Francis being a vile, repugnant pig inserting himself (literally) into the process.

    You can’t see the moral issues with that?

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com/ Michael J. West

    The “alcoholic girl” Janeel Szyszka is to blame for Joe Francis raping her?

  • http://www.thurstondigital.com/journal/ Thurston

    I think people are responsible for their own actions largely. I’m not defending Joe Francis, but I think sober and intelligent people would steer clear of him.

  • http://desicritics.org deepti lamba

    Gawd, what a sleaze ball. He is like a wolf preying on the dumb sheep….Back in college a friend of mine got so drunk that she didnt remember that she had gone up a hotel room with a male acquaintance and had been missing for over an hour.

    We obviously assumed the worst had happened.

    Michael, while men too can get raped why is it that rarely do we hear of date rapes where men have been the victims?

  • http://www.djradiohead.com DJRadiohead

    It is certainly true if all of the girls in these videos were sober and home studying they would not find their hoo-has splashed all over late night TV. Getting drunk out of your mind is a stupid thing to do and can lead to some humiliating and sometimes tragic consequences.

    Joe Francis may have the legal right to exploit the lack of judgment exibited by these girls (not including the part where he allegedly threatens them and rapes them, naturally) but he is a complete son of a bitch for doing it. Just because he can doesn’t mean he should. There are gaps between legal and moral. What Francis does is morally repugnant.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    Eye for an eye: Pants him and his cameraman, videotape them touching each other, sell it.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Are you telling me all the girls in these videos aren’t actually all whores and strippers? Hmmm….does that make the videos more appealing or less.

    Dave

  • Dawn

    Gee Dave, I don’t even know how to respond to that? Please tell me you were kidding.

  • http://bryanmckay.com/blog Bryan

    Eye for an eye: Pants him and his cameraman, videotape them touching each other, sell it.

    No, Suss, an eye for an eye would be to get Joe Francis liquored up and then rape him repeatedly. Not that I’d condone it, but he’s guilty of a lot more than just exploitation.

    And, Dave, I second Dawn’s response. What do you mean?

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Yes Dawn, I was being sarcastic.

    Dave

  • Dawn

    Whew, I was worried there for a second Dave. Sarcasm is hard to interpret in pixels ;)

  • http://www.ladydragonfyre.com/index_files/LWS Lady Dragonfyre

    I don’t even think the word “misogynist” is strong enough. Deplorable!

    He probably liquors them up so they won’t remember how much he sucked in bed. The only girls he can attract are empty-headed teenagers with no respect for themselves.

    That being said, she chose to take that first drink. Whether her assumption about Girls Gone Wild stemmed from the liquor or her stupidity, we cannot ignore the fact that she put herself in a very vulnerable position.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    Aside from any criminal guilt, the moral guilt is shared by everyone who has ever paid money to Joe Francis for his “productions.” His undeserved wealth is what gives him the power to abuse young women so easily and with so few consequences. The morally repugnant way he has acquired his wealth makes it clear he is the type to abuse, even if he is found not guilty in any specific case.

    The real danger sign for our society is not the existence of Joe Francis, as disgusting and pathetic as he is. Every society has scum like him. Giving him the freedom to be scum (if he can control himself well enough to avoid breaking the law) may be an unavoidable price we pay for enjoying the freedom to make our own moral choices.

    The far more serious symptom of our societal decay is that so many of our fellow citizens eagerly pay him to exploit young women.

  • Jim

    Once again, these dumb girls think they can take things just so far and everyone will stop when they say so. This poor virgin thought that she was just going to flash and get a T-Shirt. I think flashing to get a T-shirt puts a woman in a differnet category. Don’t drink and wander off with a guy that makes videos call “Girls Gone Wild”. Come on, everybody knows what those videos are about these days. I am surprised a girl would even go into a place that these guys are at. After all, they park the bus with a banner on the side of it right in from of the bar. Sometimes they even advertise ahead of time that these guy are going to be there. I guess my point is that if you don’t want to fall into the pit, don’t step over the line that everyone knows it there.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    A crime is a crime even if the victim is stupid.

    Waving your wallet around in a high crime zone makes it more likely you will get mugged, but anybody who robs you should still go to prison for it.

    The same principle applies here. Rape is still a crime even if it happened after the victim made a bad decision by entering a sexual predator’s lair, and the rapist still deserves to go to prison.

  • duane

    There’s no doubt about that Victor. I think Jim is making a separate point. Of course, waving your wallet around in a Milan train station is perfectly legal, but it’s perfectly stupid, too. You play around with snakes and eventually you’ll get bitten.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    The point would be separate, if casting blame on the victim were not so frequently used as a tactic for allowing a rapist or abuser to evade responsibility for his crimes.

    Nobody argues that a mugger gains a legal right to take your wallet without criminal culpability, just because you were stupid enough to flash your cash in a bad neighborhood. In that case it might be a separate point.

    But in the crime of rape, the cultural habit and the morally bankrupt tactic of blaming the victim has not yet become fully separable from the legality of the rapist’s actions.

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    These girls are 18. They’re kids . . . insecure idiot kids, drinking like idiot insecure kids . . . and if you don’t see something wrong with sexually and financially exploiting idiot insecure kids, then I hope to Jesus you never have any yourself because you’ll do an awful job with them. In fact, I hope you’re never allowed around them. Revolting.

  • http://midnightcafe.wordpress.com Mat Brewster

    My bosses daughter did a flash dance for GGW. She’s on the cover of one of the videos, and I periodically see her on late night/early morning TV. The boss has been embarassed ever since.

    I knew the guy was a sick bastard, but had no idea it was this bad.

  • froggy57

    Because we are a society that worships youth and beauty, young, attractive, and naive people flock to the cameras. The woods are full of predators. That is our human nature. We are predators. The bottom of the food chain preys on naive young people.
    People who track the predators, are predators in their own right. People who write about them and pretend to be so horrified are also predators. Preying on the predators.
    One could not exist without the other. So “Pull down thy vanity.”
    Apologies to Ezra Pound.

  • duane

    And I suppose you’re preying on those who prey on the predators?

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    Who in turn prey on predators of the predators of the drunk young things who, erm, prey on the camera? Oh those naughty predatorial 18 year olds! If I was a straight man I just wouldn’t feel safe walking past a highschool! Hungry like the wolf, baby, like the wolf!

  • Charlie O

    Well now it pleases me to know that the guy who broke into Francis’ house and did all that sick shit to him, was actually doing something called PAYBACK. Too bad he had to go to jail.

  • Martin Lav

    This is issue is much larger than GGW and the scumbag Joe Francis. Take a look at the “beverage” companies, the cities that promote spring break, the people that buy porn for the comfort of their own homes…..ALL OF US contribute to this society and it’s norms. Joe Fransis is excercising and rationalizing his capitalistic right and we all give him the power to do so. Almost all of our “top” TV shows deal with public humiliation, so it’s no wonder our kids are lining up down the block to humiliate themselves, all the while our “corporate sponsors” the alcohol companies keep them primed and ready. Meanwhile….back on the telli, Bob Dole will sell you a Viagra pill, the drug companies will sell you anything to “fix” your ailment and our Government will claim to legislate family values by preventing same sex unions.
    We wonder why the Taliban won’t go away…..

    Yes Joe Fransis should be pointed out as a low-life scumbag that will sell his soul for his rights, but let’s also acknowledge where the remaining fingers are pointing back at….and the problem is US.

  • dogga

    This excerpt says it all: As she describes it, Francis “grabbed” her by the arm, pulled her toward him, and said, “You are so going on the bus later.” Rather than recoiling in horror, the flattered Szyszka response was, “Um, OK.” “I was shocked,” she said. “I was like, ‘Whoa – Joe’s, like, trying to talk to me … out of all the girls in here.”

  • Martin Lav

    They said the same thing about Mike Tyson’s victim.

  • http://trinimansblog.blogspot.com/ Triniman

    Does anyone make videos of the “normal”, mature women who flash at Mardi Gras? From what I’ve seen, many of these women are far from being insecure “kids.”

  • joe_psych

    The idiot does not recognize that women are different from men, as evolution has endowed us with vast differences, differences which make women complient to the need for procreation to perpetuate the species and which make men the aggressor in this pursuit. He obviously is not into the role of a functionary of the procreative act, just a prick who wants to fuck little girls.

  • Enzo

    There ought to be a law. Something to do with sexual conduct and being under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Let’s face it if you’re bold enough to do it without the alcohol you will be receiving compensation or gratification in one way or another.

  • Pittfan26

    If this dirt bag ever treated my daughter like he treats other women, I’d gladly go to prison for ripping his balls off! Women are to be loved & respected by men, not treated as sex objects regardless of how drunk they are! This man,and I use the term “man” loosely, should be arrested & put into prison where the inmates will treat him like the sexual object he treats women!

  • Martin Lav

    SURFER JOE AND MOE THE SLEAZE
    Here’s a story about Surfer Joe
    He caught the big one, but he let it go
    There’s somebody satisfied with winning.

    Back on the boardwalk there’s Moe the Sleaze
    Sells good things and aims to please
    He’s almost even but he doesn’t mind a handout.

    Come on down for a pleasure cruise
    We’re all going on a pleasure cruise
    Come on down for a pleasure cruise
    Plenty of women, plenty of booze.

    Give your ticket to Moe the Sleaze
    He’s the one that’s weak in the knees
    His pants are baggy, but you can see them shaking.

    I’ll introduce you to Surfer Joe
    He may be there, I really don’t know
    We can smoke garfong and watch him ride the big one.

    Come on down for a pleasure cruise
    We’re all going on a pleasure cruise
    Come on down for a pleasure cruise
    Plenty of women, plenty of booze.

    Come on down, come on down
    Come on down, come on.

    Here’s a story about Surfer Joe
    He caught the big one, and he let it go
    There’s somebody satisfied with winning.

    Here’s a story about Surfer Joe
    He caught the big one, and he let it go
    He’s somebody satisfied with winning.
    He’s somebody.

    -Neil Young

  • mary

    I’m so disgusted by this whole thing. Joe Francis should be behind bars as far as I’m concerned, or at the very least have restraining orders from clubs where btw teenagers can freely drink?? The fact that he stocks plenty of booze alongside the sex toys for the teens shows he has no shame. What the hell is so great (even by a caveman’s standard) about a conquest of having sex with a drunken young lady who says no? He obviously has contempt for women.

    I’m also extremely disheartened that so many teens strive to be a part of his world, and look up to the pathetic likes of Paris Hilton. There are a lot of young people out there who feel pretty shitty if they don’t get to wind up on a sex tape too like their heroine Paris. What the hell is going on??

  • Martin Lav

    In the name of Freedom, we let anything go. In the name of capitalism, we sell any number of drugs for any ailment on TV. Public humiliation is our game. Look at Mel’s movie the Passion. If that isn’t public humiliation I don’t know what is. Today we could make it a Reality TV show. How about alcohol on all sporting events? Sports are games are they not, we start playing them as kids, then we grow up and dream of having the buxomy babes dancing in the aisle with their slim figurines to our beat. Hey…..every one knows sex sells and everyone has a price. We’ve been sold out by our government and yet they stand righteous before us and allow their campaigns to be gifted.
    What a country man!

  • Kevin

    I’m sorry to interrupt the pulpit pounding, but I think that Joe is a genius. I’m positive that it isn’t a small percentage of men who desire fortune, fame and sex with young attractive women. As far as the ‘rape’ accusations go, I prefer the ‘innocent until proven guilty’ school of thought. I didn’t read anything about him being convicted. A wealthy man is a tempting target for a cash settlement. I try to teach my daughters to be responsible for their own actions. Don’t blame the guy pointing the camera at you because he forever documented you acting like an idiot. You people sound like the morons who would sue a fast food place because you burned your lips on a cup of coffee.

  • Mamie Lebu

    I am following this expose and find the most interesting part is that most major news outlets are not picking up the story, most of the “news” related to this jaw-dropping article is confined to blogs. Must be because the slime ball’s lawyer is working hard to earn his pay and managing to squelch this story. Come on, this thing was THE most viewed and THE most emailed story on the LATimes for 4 days now and can’t even get Drudge to pick it up. Joe Francis must have lots of ‘friends’ or else he threatens everyone – $40M a year makes many people uneasy. If you are truly incensed about how this pond scum manages to skate around the law, let’s all start hitting the major news websites and force this issue into the daylight. At least it might educate some girls who don’t want to end up in the same spot as the worn out and tired things in his videos. Three pairs of underwear for enduring a sweaty drunk single cell amoeba like Francis leaving his likely diseased body fluids? What a generous fellow….one wrong move is all he needs and someone will make him cry buckets.

  • Wildman

    Silly american girls — they deserve everything!

  • http://catherinejames.blogspot.com/ cat

    Very informative piece Dawn; Joe Francis and our society’s view/treatment of/reaction to his disgusting behavior are stomach turning. The whole situation is appauling and sad.

  • Cody

    Love the way the article is followed by a paid Amazon.com ad steering us to the DVD “Girls Gone Wild: Ultimate Spring Break 3″. A brain-dead process clearly at work…

  • Craig

    I think what Joe does is very wrong, but these girls are also to blame. These girls seem to want the attention, and will do anything to get it. I hate to place partial blame on these women, but if one or two girls enter a bus with several guys and a camera crew, what do these girls think the guys want to do…take a few pictures and say thanks…I dont think so! These girls dont seem to understand the guys will take it as far as they can, especially guys like joe that know they can make money off of the situation, and get laid in the process. I bet 25% of these girls that appear on the videos where the video was taken in a bus or other enclosed area had some form of sexual contact with Joe or his buddies/crew. What I dont understand though is why most of these girls decide to appear in the GGW video. Dont they understand they aren’t appearing as a fine hot chicks, but rather just a bunch of fine easy sluts??

  • Patty

    “I’m sorry to interrupt the pulpit pounding, but I think that Joe is a genius. I’m positive that it isn’t a small percentage of men who desire fortune, fame and sex with young attractive women. As far as the ‘rape’ accusations go, I prefer the ‘innocent until proven guilty’ school of thought. I didn’t read anything about him being convicted. A wealthy man is a tempting target for a cash settlement. I try to teach my daughters to be responsible for their own actions. Don’t blame the guy pointing the camera at you because he forever documented you acting like an idiot. You people sound like the morons who would sue a fast food place because you burned your lips on a cup of coffee.”

    thank you kevin for wording that so perfectly.
    i agree 100%…
    I’m a woman, and i would do the same thing…if boys were dumb enough to get drunk off their ass and sign a waiver for me to become rich…i’d be the next joe francis. people need to be held accountable for thier actions, whether they are sober or under the influence…if they can’t handle alcohol, then they shouldn’t drink. period.

  • higgz

    Welcome to ANY FRAT HOUSE USA… alcohol however intoxicating is not a date rape drug, you have to drink it… im sorry but if you walk into a bar with a girls gone wild bus, and you know your a bad drunk? LEAVE… I dont quite understand the point of this article? should he pay the girls, would that make it ok? you say they aren’t compensated… are you implying them soliciting themselves for money is much more excepible and less humiliating… come on now, lets not say we haven’t seen sleazy guys going after girls… this is no new thing its gone on for ages… this guy is an evil genious that made a lot of money in the process. Clearly this girl was awe struck that out of all the girls at the dance he wanted to slow dance with her… which leads to women falling for powerful men (men with money)… like the late monica lewinsky bill clinton incident… in which case the media should be condemned to, because it wasnt girls gone wild that turned her from a confused intern to slut of the week….

    there is no responsibility on francis… you complain about giving them people booze… well what if she didnt have sex with him, what if she stumbled out of the bar into the street and got hit by a car, is that homocide or manslaughter… ALCOHOL IS NO EXCUSE…. GET OVER IT. being drunk and being raped are to different things… if you cant control yourself when your drunk, you shouldnt drink, dont make it other peoples responsibility…

  • duane

    Kevin (#35) says: I’m sorry to interrupt the pulpit pounding, but I think that Joe is a genius.

    So exploiting silly teenaged girls and pandering to the drueling knuckledraggers that buy this kind of crap elevates Mr. Francis to the rank of genius? Pretty low standard of genius I would say. Isn’t there a place for ethics in America? Is anything OK as long as it makes money? Is cash flow your only criterion?

  • maxi

    Even a slurred NO means NO! What is up with you people leaving the responsibility on the girls’ shoulders here! Predatory actions are wrong, whether it is used by child molestors or elder abusers or ? Some of the postings appear to suggest that Francis was correct in his actions and that maybe if the entire staff of Girls Gone Wild had taken turns then so be it?
    Here is a question, whatever happened to the law of not providing alcohol to an already obviously intoxicated client? If I can be blamed for the actions of a drunk guest after leaving my house party, why can’t the hosting bars be held accountable for the activities that this GGW group brings?

  • higgz

    you all act like you have never been drunk before, there are a lot of women out there that drink, and tell sleazy guys to GO AWAY, not follow them on a bus…

    .” Rather than recoiling in horror, the flattered Szyszka response was, “Um, OK.” “I was shocked,” she said. “I was like, ‘Whoa – Joe’s, like, trying to talk to me … out of all the girls in here.”

    ” Szyszka said, and, “‘Oh, my god, it hurts.’ I kept telling him it hurt, but he kept going, and he said he was sorry but kissed me so I wouldn’t keep talking.”

    if she had said STOP, that would be very different… but it hurts, is not NO, and is not STOP… the guys are the real sluts, like a lot of men, they are sex crazed. is this news to some of you people? to protect all women should we reinstate prohebition, 18, wtf was she doing at a bar??? she shouldnt be drinking, i think there should be more outrage towards the bar for letting her in the front door…

    is it a girls responsibility not to have sex with a guy when shes drunk, or the guys responsibilty not to have sex with a girl when shes drunk… come on people, seriously

  • DaintyDonna

    Sounds like someone is upset that when they were on spring break,they weren`t asked to be in a certain video,and is now flicking on her Gloria Steinman switch.

  • P.

    Dawn, You are a Man Hater!

  • bartart

    I don’t know, I kind of like his style. I think the girls must want something out of all that. maybe they just want to get laid. women want sex too!

  • Maj

    Amazing how distinct the sides are on who likes Joe and who doesn’t and how accountable are the drunk girls. When the GGW bus hit the area, the girls who wanted to be on camera knew they wanted to be on camera before they took a drink. The processional line is long. How much credibility can I give either party? NONE! Intent is there on both sides. Are crimes occuring? It begins before the girls get to Francis. I was at a party where the girls were aching to be on the GGW. Get to the polls to make the difference. How many of you preaching and moralizing voted? How many of you know what type of municipal government you have? Who are your Reps? Only then will any change come in this country. I wish blogging counted as votes. In this forum, we would have a different world out there.

  • Harv

    francis is a pig , but on peruzing the internet i`ve seen a lot worse, these girls can not possibly realize how manipulative these preditors are, or they`d never get on the bus.

  • Diane

    I agree with you Harv. Joe Francis is a discusting pig. The lack of respect for women, authority or himself comes through loud and clear. We can only hope this middle aged idiot pays the price for minipulating young girls barely of legal age. Who hasn’t made poor judgement calls at eighteen? What about the reporter he attacked? I’m assuming she wasn’t drinking. Dig alittle deeper and I might feel sorry for his mother. How did he treat her? He needs to pay the price for his behavior. We can only hope these women pursue the charges and make old Joe someone elses play toy in prison where he obviously belongs.

    P.S. I hope you never have a daughter Joey boy.

  • Orchid

    This is an interesting discussion and I wonder what motivates those who try to blame the rape on the victim. Do they need to feel drunken people are in a state of mind and body where they can make decisions and fend off aggressive pursuers? Do they need to feel they have a shot with a woman if she gets drunk enough and they won’t be responsible for taking advantage of her?

    Or is it simply the old nugget where they feel people have to start taking responsibility for their actions and that includes victims being responsible for putting themselves in the position of having a crime committed against them? What next, little girls playing on the playground whose skirts fly up and their panties flash on the merry-go-round deserve to be abducted by child molesters?

    The question of who behaves immorally is always on the shoulders of the potential perpetrator of the crime. She said “no”, twice. A moral person stops right there because anything past that point is rape. It’s not her responsibility to keep fighting either verbally or physically. It’s his responsibility to stop right then.

    If a bum walks up to you and asks for a dollar and you say “no”, is it okay for him to become increasingly aggressive about it? Is it okay for him to reach in your pocket? Are you at fault if he takes your wallet and takes a dollar from it? Did you facilitate the crime by not pushing him away or physically resisting his actions?

    People only question the victim’s role when there’s a sex crime because some people have a perverse need to believe that there is always some level of consent on the part of the victim if the victim does not protest exactly as they feel she should. The problem with this thinking is that rape is an act of violence and power, not sex. And can anyone deny that Joe Francis fits the profile of the type of guy who relishes degrading people as an exercise of power?

  • sean

    actually it is illegal
    any contract is void if mentally unable to understand what it means. and being drunk / druged and alcohol is a drug by the way be it legal drug its a drug.
    hence nE actian the women take against him is legal. it is rape. you wouldn’t allow a retard or someone with alzaimers to sign a contract it wouldn’t hold up in court. so what judge or lawyer could possibly support this guy its against the law they were under the influence of a drug contract is void.
    they must have been payed off or just too inept to remember that part of the law.
    damn who made room for interpretation

  • Lauren

    There is a reason 18 year olds are not allowed to drink… because they are not able to handle the effects. Those who supply the alcohol to these minors should be charged with counts upon counts ranging from contributing to delinquency of a minor to wreckless endangerment. Also where are all the law suits against mantra because where are those intoxicated allowed to sign away their rights. And for the proof of intoxication…. THE FILMS!! Mantra’s council sounds as immoral as those producing the films. This article is great because this guy sounds like scum. The real world if now filming in my town and I can assume that this scum bad will show up soon looking to capitalize from those bitten by the reality tv bug. I will make sure to tell everyone I know to watch out!

  • Markus A. S.

    The circumstances are sad, but unfortunately will be repeated over and over again to someone else. There will always be those of us with the mental power to coerce others into doing what we want them to do, regardless of the consequences, shame or guilt felt afterwards by the “victim”. Alcohol or drugs are the means by with this can be acheived. Parents need to build stronger children with stronger morals and mental fortitude to resist this.
    Why do you think that the common denominator to 99% of all religions is the avoidance of alcohol/mind altering substances?!!!

  • Fernando Rivas

    Perhaps the question that needs to be asked is why do these girls need the attention so badly – why is taking their clothes off in front of a camera such a draw? What is it about the whole concept of American ‘reality’ television that draws people and loosens their inhibitions and often make fools of themselves in front of millions? I’m always amazed by the comments some people make when they are witnesses of a terrible crime or tragic event – It felt like I was in a movie or in a TV show, they say. Is the true ‘reality’ of every day life so boring and depressing that people actually seek out a ‘defining’ critical moment to feel more alive? And worse, that such reality only has meaning if it takes place in front of a camera?

    While no doubt Joe Francis is a true scumbag in every sense of the word – and certainly with the maturity level of a fourteen year old boy – he’s no different than people like Howard Stern, or hell, even Hugh Heffner. Such people (men) know that there is an exploitable level in all the things so-called ‘respectable’ society (now engaged in a greedy exploitation of the planet, not to mention ongoing war and mayhem) tries to squelch. There are dark instincts in all of us, and that includes young girls and women who are most obviously programmed for a narcissistic and submissive display – as much as boys are programmed for aggression and conquest. These are instincts that our commercial world has decided to exploit for financial gain. It’s too bad that the more ‘civilized’ pursuits do not generate ‘bank’ but that is the sad truth about humanity.

    I feel sorry for some of these girls but not enough to absolve them of their complicity and cooperation in this idiot’s scheme. Sadly the only thing that would really take Girls Gone Wild down is if the girls started getting smart and charging for their ‘work’. Makes you think – why is there no Guys Gone Wild video collection? Isn’t it obvious that females are the object of desire and have always been so from the beginning of time? Most people (except gay guys) don’t want to see naked men prancing about or having sex with each other. Naked women on the other hand cross all gender and sex-preference boundaries although naturally the primary audience target is mostly male. The figure of a naked female is probably the oldest primal totem and continues to be so even in our glitzy high-tech age. But society continues to engage in hipocrisy about the real motivating urges, male agression/female seduction – females know that if they have attractive bodies they have power. What Girls Gone Wild shows is the fledgling flight of young women discovering and engaging this power. To think of these girls as powerless little Polyannas is a mistake.

    Alcohol, as Mel Gibson has recently demonstrated, is not an inducer of behavior. It is a releaser of the things most people keep bottled up. We are an uptight culture and we keep booze out of the hands of kids. But we fill young people’s heads with all kinds of other crap far more sinister and destructive.

    Girls Gone Wild is not the disease, it is the symptom. We have an old document in a glass case in Washington DC called the constitution. That’s how we like to think and define ourselves as people, as a culture. Maybe we need to take a second look. Maybe the crap we are putting on our television screens is REALLY who we are underneath all the pretensions. Maybe the shallow, sex-crazed, greedy, power hungry, brainless crap we’ve chosen to glorify is the ultimate and most truthful definition of who we are and where we are going.

  • jay

    Joe Francis is really hot –he would not have to rape me.

    But his videos and parties are just cheap, boring TIT-elation, and fantasy, for highschool boys. It is obvious that flashing tits is a sexual act and an invitation. These girls desperately want to become famous and be admired and desired. As well, It is obvious that the “star-fuckers” and wanna-be’s who line up to be in the videos are also trying to get something for nothing. Joe Francis is just better at it. But ultimately, it’s not real shocking sex. It’s all quite lame.

    Real shocking sex can be found in the Marriage Statistics of all countries. Hundreds of men 40-60 years of age, per country, per year, marry girls 15-19 and 20-24. In democratic countries, females marry by choice. Some girls may be looking for a father figure, or to get away from their families, or to be well looked after, love is also possible, etc…

    In countries where there are arranged marriages, and the median age for 1st marriage of women is under 20 years, families in effect condone legalized child-rape when they give their teenage daughters in marriage to men who could be their fathers or grandfathers–without their consent– to be raped not only once for a video appearance but for years –every single day. In 2001 Iran raised the marriagable age of girls to 13. Mohamed’s youngest wife Aisha was 9 years old when he married her –if it’s good enough for The Prophet… But also in the US, teenage girls are highly prized wives for polygamists –amongst others.

    Around the world, families also sell their daughters and sons into prostitution to get money to survive. The World Health Organization has documented articles on the subject. In comparison, the cheap and lame TIT-elation of fame crazed girls caught on video, is really just that and nothing more…

  • chris

    He’s just another example of what’s wrong with this country. Money = POWER, and apparently anyone who has it is allowed to get away with anything.

  • QuitYerWhining

    I agree with Maj, bartart, DaintyDonna, P., higgz, Patty……….

    I’m just sorry I didn’t think of his idea first!

    And I’m sick of people blaming someone else for their own stupid actions.

    signed,
    Another “drueling? knuckledragger”

  • JoAnne

    This guy is one sick Puppy! And it’s sad that these girls he’s using are gonna grow up and have to live with these tapes made. Seen everywhere for there husbands, kids, relatives, co-workers and friends to see. When they make porno movies the girls know what they’re doing (mostly) but to get girls drunk to use them and tape them is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Personal Responsibility

    Why is it always someone else’s fault for what WE do in this country these days. No one accepts personal responsibility for THEIR actions. The man is just inviting people to do what THEY are already inclined to do. If he is truly the “lowlife” he is accused of being, then more than likely, he’ll get his comeuppance sooner or later. People here are SO impressed by other people with money. The blame should go on the shoulders of those that just have to be part of what’s going on, no matter how degrading. If people would just be their own person instead of being mindless flock followers, we would have a lot less problems, theoretically. I say that because Joe is being his own person and a load of morons have not only showed him it’s o.k., but damn profitable. To future participants I say this…Say no and walk away. If you do this, you won’t be crying down the road about something you did that now you regret. And to the “bleeding hearts” that feel so much pity for the supposed “abused”, quit your crying too! Think first and act second and accept what you do and if you deem what you do is wrong, work to change your behavior. Too many people would rather act first and cry second and blame someone else…The new American way!

  • lora

    you know let the s o b try to get someone who is not intoxicated he will be ballless everyone gets what they reep
    and maybe that will be videotaped

  • lora

    people do stupid things when they are drunk would you like to know its on video in 10 or 20 years from now try telling your kids that we are all human we try to better are selfs.and try to forget stupid things that we had done.someone is profit from them they will never go away no one has that right
    no one

  • carol shem

    You get what you send out…..Mr. Francis I expect you’ll be going to jail anytime now…..and
    you’ll become someone’s little bitch.

  • why should I

    After reading this story and a few of the comments, I feel that I have to barf.
    I am torn on the whole thing. Number one these girls choose to drink, and are under age. HOWEVER, that does not make the actions of GGW appropriate.
    In my college days I was once asked by a drunk girl that was a friend of mine to watch out for her and keep her safe. That is EXACTLY what I did. I did not try to feel her up, or take her to my room to do as I pleased. I just sat with her chatted with her watched some TV, until she felt stable enough to go back to her room. Despite the fact I could have gotten into trouble I offered to go with her to be sure she got to her room. She did not want me to caught and refused. Besides with was the Girls side of the dorm an guys were not supposed to be on the non-common floors so she felt safe in the elevator. I think this might have been the night that I had stopped the biggest player on the Schools Rugby (US) team from hitting her A, er make that rear end. So again I defended her as she was in a less than sober state of mind.
    Bottom line we guys have to start learning to use our real brain and not the one that is in our crotch. We need to be the human beings (homo sapiens note the definition means: wise, intelligent) that we are rather than dogs, cats, rabbits or the pigs that some folks act like. I really hope that GGW gets shutdown soon, and that they do not have an new upstart that comes to be by the time my daughters are 18. But then again, hopefully my wife and I are doing, and will continue doing a good job to teach them that if they are in a crowd of folks doing silly things it is time to leave. After all in America a guy goes stupid when a woman shows her breasts. Maybe folks in other countries can handle this better but in the US we do not have then exposed all that often neither in statue, or reality.

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com Michael J. West

    if boys were dumb enough to get drunk off their ass and sign a waiver for me to become rich…i’d be the next joe francis. people need to be held accountable for thier actions, whether they are sober or under the influence…

    People need to be held accountable for their actions–unless, apparently, they’re Joe Francis.

  • ERA4EVER

    While this guy is a pig I find it somehow ironic that when woman do something stupid while drunk they are not accountable and should be protected but when men do something stupid while drunk they should be vilified and prosecuted.

    What ever happened for that push for equal treatment under the law?

    There are no feminists in divorce courts.

  • http://www.myspace.com/kanenite1985 kanenite1985

    Girls should be able to go out, have fun and drink a little.
    Let loose there inhibitions a little bit after weeks of studying hard for exams WITHOUT worrying about if its going to be on camera or if someone is going to be raped.
    Some say she might deserve it because she was drunk yada yada yada, but where her friends when she went in the trailer saying “yo seriously that ain’t a good idea..”
    The fact of the matter is that someone was responsible for that night, maybe it was Joe Francis because quite frankly if she was ‘barely legal’ and inebriated he should’ve backed off.
    It doesn’t matter who’s fault it really is. The fact was that even though he didn’t supply the alcohol he used his power/fame to get what he wanted. In a sense that IS rape. And no one deserves it, not even the college drunk girl having a good time with her friends.

  • QuitYerWhining

    Sure, what goes around comes around and I’m sure he’ll get his someday, but………no one MADE these chicks get in line to board the bus, or made them get all giddy about meeting bad-boy Joe, and nobody made them pose…….18 year old females are not stupid and know a helluva lot more than alot of you folks commenting seem to think. Why do you think clubs like DejaVu are popular? Because the majority of dancers are 18 or 19 and they do it because they WANT to. Something about wanting money and attention. These girls are no different. Get real people!

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    … 18 year old females are not stupid …”

    *snort* Good one.

  • Dave

    If you get so drunk that you cannot control yourself and/or remember where you are, who you are, or what you’re doing then….. just can’t have much sympathy for you. I have been drunk many many times. NEVER once do I remember doing anything that I didn’t want to do. When we are sober we are logical, reasonable, pragmatic…. scared, inhibited, introverted, afraid to be the person we wish we could be! A drunk man’s words are a sober man’s thoughts. Ever hear that one? Sure, a 99 lb 18 yr old girl can get so drunk that she is beyond many of the faculties that help keep her in control and safe, but at that point she is also vomiting, falling all over the place, and about 5 mins from being completely passed out. HAVE YOU SEEN THESE VIDEOS??? These girls are nowhere near that state. More likely they have had a couple drinks just to loosen them up enough to act out all the behavior they are so curious about and dying to be a part of. Sluts get what sluts deserve. Sure every now and then there are the exceptions, the unfortunate incidents where somebody went way too far and somebody gotten hurt, taken advantage of. Joe Francis is not a good guy. I’m sure of that. But I own about 10 of his videos and I’m a real good guy who would never hurt a fly, let alone another human being. Life is gray, not black and white. A little nuanced thinking is almost always necessary in order to truly understand. At 18 a girl from a good family with parents are are still looking out for her best interests and personal safety will usually not be found at places where these horrific incidents occur; or at the very least would have the common sense not to put themselves in the kind of vulnerable situations where something like this could occur. If you go back to the GGW bus willingly and without any of your friends by your side at all times then……… like I said, tough to have that much sympathy for you. We’ve all made mistakes and errors in judgement. You may have to suck it up and move on rather than get all litigious and try to get some reparations you really don’t deserve simply because you know you may be able to given the nature of our legal system and a lawyer who knows how to manipulate it. Everybody trying to take advantage of everybody else, in one way or another, all for a profit. Isn’t that the bigger problem here? The root cause?

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com Michael J. West

    This comment thread is depressing the shit out of me.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    It would cheer you — and everyone else — up if you just showed us a little skin.

    Please sign this first, though.

  • Dina

    Sean is right. The contract is illegal due to the fact that the girls are inebriated at the time it is signed. I wonder what would happen if the girls signed the “contract” while totally sober and then drank to get up their courage? I bet alot less would do it…bar the true sluts who wouldn’t have to get drunk to do it!

  • Punky

    As a 24-year-old female who recently graduated from my crazy Girls Gone Wild college days, I felt the need to weigh in on this topic. I could talk for hours about this, but I will try to keep it short ;)…

    With the exception of those against whom an actual crime has been committed (rape, harrassment, physical abuse), there are no victims in this situation. As human beings, we are all capable of reasoning, analyzing situations, and making decisions based on the logical consequences of our actions. You may argue that alcohol inhibits these mental capabilities…and you would be correct. However, if we have made the decision to drink alcohol to the point of complete mental deterioration, we must accept the consequences of our actions…whether those consequences be a hangover the next day, vomiting all over our brand new shoes, or doing something embarrassing/degrading that we later regret. Everyone makes mistakes…but we must live up to those mistakes and accept responsibility for our actions.

    My sophomore year in college, I went to Acapulco with a group of friends for spring break. One night after drinking way too much tequila for a group of 19-year-olds, we decided to go to a strip club. In my drunken stupor, I proceeded to get on stage, take my top off, and dance around in front of my (largely male) group of friends and whoever else happened to be at the club that night. Everyone thought it was hilarious, and so did I…until the next morning. It could have been easy for me to blame my buddies (“You guys kept making me take shots”, “You encouraged me to get on stage!”) or the club owners (“How could they let an obviously wasted girl get on stage?”, “They should have seen how drunk we all were and cut us off!”), but I didn’t. I made the decision to get on the stage, I made the decision to take my top off, and it was all because I made the decision to drink so much freaking alcohol in the first place! As “adults” (since technically, that’s what 18+ are), we have to take responsibility for our actions and their consequences! Fortunately for me, no one was there (as far as I know anyway!) to catch the whole thing on tape for the world to see. But that didn’t make it any more (or any less!) my own fault.

    With that said, I am certainly not condoning Joe Francis’s videos or his actions. The problem is that GGW has become a cultural phenomenon among college-aged kids. Everyone has heard of it, many have seen it, and a fair amount want to buy into it to achieve what they see as their 15 minutes of fame. The thought of being selected to appear in a GGW video is tantalizing because it sends the message to these young women (who are largely insecure and driven by body image and male acceptance) that they are attractive..the hottest of the hot! While on spring break my freshman year, I was approached to appear in a wet t-shirt contest that would be featured in a GGW video…and I was flattered! But did I do it? No…because even in my drunken state, I knew that I would later regret it (obviously didn’t think about that in Acapulco a year later though…oh well, you win some, you lose some) and I was embarrassed of who would end up seeing the video.

    These young women have a burning need to be accepted and Joe Francis is exploiting their insecurities…but it wouldn’t be possible if the public didn’t keep buying his videos and college kids didn’t keep flocking to the GGW bus. Society seems to have taught young women that their value is based on their level of attractiveness and how desirable they are to men. Is it any surprise they (including my “former self”) act this way? We are all to blame here.

  • Punky

    sorry, that was way too long…hope I made some good points though!

  • Rob

    It’s funny reading all the comments. This guy became rich off of these videos. So who’s buying them? If this wasn’t making him money, he wouldn’t be doing it. That’s why he bailed out of his first venture. We are in the generation where noone likes to take ownership of anything, which is why we have labels on everything from video games to myspace. Frankly it gets tiresome. Unless he forged their names, blame the drunk girl. If she hadn’t “gone wild”, then she wouldn’t be there on the video, and you wouldn’t be paying for it making him even more rich.

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    Dave, next time you enjoy seeing the girls on those ten GGW vids you own, are you going to enjoy them more when you think about the likes of Szyszka, who were too drunk to look good on film while they complained about getting deflowered?

    Are you the sort of really good guy who would never hurt a fly that gets off looking at 18 year old girls who *aren’t* from a good family with parents are are still looking out for her best interests and personal safety, and who will usually be found at places where these horrific incidents occur?

    Sluts get what sluts deserve? What do sluts deserve, Dave? A scumbag like Joe Francis? Maybe a venereal disease? A really good guy who would never hurt a fly like you getting some mileage out of videos of them being drunk retards? Tell us – a Joe Francis vid owner is evidently in the God-like position of telling us what, exactly, the world population of sluts deserves.

  • P. Floyd

    As my wife said, if your dumb enough to be around people like that, and you’re dumb enough to be taken advantage of, and dumb enough to go places like a tour bus, what do you think is going to happen. If someone grabs you in an inapproprate way or forces you to do something, you can scream rape, date-rape or whatever right then and now, not 2 months after the fact. That my friends is truely for MONEY! And they know this guy has lots of it. I WILL SAY NOW AS A PARENT, I DON’T APPROVE OF WHAT THIS MAN DOES! But at the same time, these girls should know what they are getting themselves into with a person such as this.

  • Lyle

    Take away his money and fame, and he’d just be some other horn-dog scum bag that you girls would have nothing to do with had they tried the same thing.

  • Hells Bells

    Fifteen years ago, when I was an 18 year old girl who got drunk and did stupid things with my friends, NONE of us would have even contemplated doing what these girls do because there was still a HUGE taboo on girls having sex (and being labelled a slut) and/or behaving in a sexual manner. I’m not saying that girls weren’t having sex, but to be inappropriate in such a public forum would not have happened. No matter how drunk we were, we knew that we would regret it BIG TIME the next morning.

    Unfortunately, society has changed, sex is everywhere, being famous is everyone’s goal, and American society is telling girls that they should give up their morals and self-respect for a chance at 15 seconds of fame.

    I feel terrible for these girls – they are receiving very mixed messages, and are not always able to determine the appropriate way to behave (schools and parents tell them that they should be “good girls”, their peers and strangers are cheering when they take their shirts off, and the most famous celebrities that they admire and want to become have produced or been “caught” in sex videos with no ill effects to their careers).

    What’s an 18 year old CHILD to think (do)?

  • JustOneMan

    I thinks this is the fruit of the seeds of the sexual revoltion of 25+ years ago….in addition todays society thinks highly of slutty girls..its big business – from music to clothing…parents are allowing their daughters to slut-up as early as 10yrs old…

    So Francis is not “THE” problem but he is a symptom!

  • Hells Bells

    More of those “mixed messages” I was talking about…

    As JustOneMan pointed out, parents are dressing their little pre-pubescent girls like sex objects….there are entire stores dedicated to decking out young children like porn stars.

    I have a young girl, and I struggle to find decent clothes that don’t make her look like she’s out looking to turn tricks.

    To the parents that buy the stuff…..it’s not cute, it’s trashy….what message are you trying to impart on your daughters? Why are you teaching them to be sex objects?

    No wonder that when they are older, they think that it is ok to behave this way.

    Protecting girls from predators like Francis begins a long time before they turn 18.

  • Personal Responsibility

    If you play in the dirt, you will get dirty. I can not imagine an individual so dumb(intoxicated or not) as to sign a waiver form without realizing you are entering a potentially bad situation. These girls that were supposedly “taken advantage of” were most assuredly thinking of how to use this situation to THEIR advantage. But they found out the hard way that the sheep seldom, if ever, outsmarts the fox. Next time, steer clear of the guys with the cameras and stay with your friends. A little personal responsibility goes a long way… Play with a shark and you WILL be bitten.(Yes I love analogies)

  • Martin Lav

    “is it a girls responsibility not to have sex with a guy when shes drunk, or the guys responsibilty not to have sex with a girl when shes drunk… come on people, seriously”

    This sums up the problem with our culture. IT IS BOTH, but you as a man have the last say and YOU SHOULD JUST SAY NO.

    The men and our country have been raised by too many women and they don’t know how to make boys into men.

    My Grandfather and Dad would kick the shit out of me if I did anything close to what this guy FranSIS did/does.

    Where is the MANHOOD in doing a drunk girl. It’s just not right. PERIOD.

  • Faceless

    This is fucking sick. I don’t care if the girls get themselves drunk, when that virgin girl said to stop, he should have stopped. He’s fucking disgusting, and sounds kind of psycho too.

    I also don’t think it’s fair at all that he films these drunk girls. Yes, they’re drunk, but he takes way too much advantage of that and makes money off of it. If they did it without being drunk or stoned or whatever then fine, that’s their choice, but most of them are.

  • theroadoflife

    What older (than 18-21) adult in this life has not come to regret an action he/she did as a youth? Unfortunately, experience is the true teacher of us all. In youth,words rarely have real meaning until we have experienced the event first hand.
    If hindsight could have been foresight instead, the majority of us would be far better off, with possibly nothing to regret. Just because a person turns 18 doesn’t mean that persons mental capacity for sound judgement istantly arrives with ones’ birthday into “legal” adulthood.
    Youth is just that–young people in body and mind, inexperienced, waiting to enter the adult world to “live life fully and find out what it’s all about about.” How sad that for some, the events they choose to partake in can destroy them. The supposed ‘lucky ones’ get to live a long life to relive their moments of bad judgement and hopefully learn a lesson from such, while the unlucky ones die from it at the time.
    While I also agree with the concept that we should be responsible for our own actions. It is hard to internalize it when we constantly read of reduced sentences for criminals, who having committed horrendous crimes, get lighter sentences, or even get off because of defenses based on the inability to make correct judgment calls. Some such defenses are based on childhood abuse: driven to drugs and alcohol because of sexual abuse as a child, taught violence by being beaten when young, a lifetime of mental illness, an addict who could not control his/her “physical addiction” etc. How about the “twinkie defense” that got the murderer off…borderline diabetic, he had eaten too many sugary items (including the Twinkies) all day and they clouded his ability to think normally so they found him not guilty of murder–not even involuntary manslaughter. And yet, it is adults that serve on these juries.
    What kind of responsibility in judgement can we expect from our children when the backbone of our country–the justice system–lets them off for things like this?

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    Clothing cannot make anyone a sex object. No healthy adult will see children as sex objects, regardless of clothing, makeup, hairstyle, or any other shallow excuse for abuse.

    Our problem is that our society suffers from a severe shortage of healthy adults. Our culture is nowhere near maturity in our perceptions of human sexuality. Repeating asinine claims, like saying men and boys can’t be expected to control themselves if they see a female’s skin, only proves the persistent idiotic adolescence of our cultural values.

    If our culture was mature and healthy, sexual liberation would pose no danger to girls or women. Clearly this is not yet the case, and intelligent parents face a tough balancing act. How can we teach girls to stay safe in an ocean of male stupidity, without teaching girls to be ashamed of their bodies?

    If I had daughters, I’d want them in karate class by age 5, advanced self-defense training by age 10, and Krav Maga by age 15.

    And I would teach them to avoid, like a particularly ugly and foul-smelling plague, at least half the people who have commented on this article.

  • Monty

    I wonder, if all these guys who are saying these girls deserve it cuz they get on a bus against better judgement, might think differently if….

    You go out w/some friends, get drunk, meet some other girls, they invite you to check out their big screen plasma w/satelite dish so you can check out the game, but when you get there some guy on the bus jumps you f***s you in the a**. Did you deserve it? Shouldnt you have know better?
    You hoary assed slut!
    It is not ok to rape someone-EVER!

  • spud

    Joe Francis…just a another fine product from the hallowed halls of USC.

  • QuitYerWhining

    I would like to say that Punky has probably stated things the best and she is a credit to her gender. We all make decisions and we all suffer the rewards and/or consequences. No need to blame everyone else if it goes the opposite of what we had intended.

    Oh, and Punky, this side note: what you did on spring break (got on the stage and flashed your tits) is something done everyday by girls going to Amateur Nights across the country – or posing for their boyfriends camera, or camming on Anywebcam.com (to name just one of many) – so no need to beat yourself up over it. Not to be rude or unappreciative (even though I didn’t have the pleasure of witnessing it), but seeing boobs are not really that shocking anymore. The internet is full of them.

    You go girl. Being wild and crazy is good everynowandthen – especially when you can blame it on youth & inexperience! lol Good to hear from someone who’s been there and sort of almost done that.

    Signed,
    I’ll go back to oinking now…..

  • http://www.ladydragonfyre.com/index_files/LWS Lady Dragonfyre

    Bottom line we guys have to start learning to use our real brain and not the one that is in our crotch. We need to be the human beings (homo sapiens note the definition means: wise, intelligent) that we are rather than dogs, cats, rabbits or the pigs that some folks act like.

    Well said. Likewise, young women have to start valuing the size of their brains more than the size of their boobs.

    It seems in style these days for young women to be inane, empty-headed, and completely helpless. The media and other venues only foster this. I don’t know whether the media only reflects this new “style” or if the new “style” is only a reflection of the media. I suspect that the two continually bounce off each other, causing this disease to spread exponentially.

  • QuitYerWhining

    ok……you know with the much more serious (than drunk teenagers away from home trying to prove how kewl they are)things going on in our unstable world today – might I offer this bit of comic relief:

    A SHOCKING new video from Girls Gone Wild!

    http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2753127

  • Martin Lav

    “Society seems to have taught young women that their value is based on their level of attractiveness and how desirable they are to men. Is it any surprise they (including my “former self”) act this way? We are all to blame here.”

    Absolutely true Punky.
    We love to humiliate and be humilidated.

  • Sarahhh

    Some of these comments make me very happy, because I’m seeing that there are plenty of men and women who have a problem with this and how women are viewed in our society.

    I used to feel the need to wear push up bras with low cut tops, it’s ridiculous. I hated feeling like I had to wear them to get a man’s attention. I hate feeling like I have to be anything less than I am to interest a guy.

    Anywaysss, it’s nice to see that people DO realize there’s an issue with it.
    Joe Francis is wayyy out of line.

  • Karl Chase

    These little whores want pity when they get drunk and get laid and later regret it. Screw that. If he gets a bit himself so be it, the girls went there wanting more than the drunken girls just kissing thier girl friends or showing thier boobd, they expected more and go twhat they deserved. Trashy lil whores need to come to Austin.

  • Karl Chase

    I have see guys charged with rape for un consensual sex because the girl was drunk, but so was he. She knew not what she was doing and neither did he, thats not fair.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    Calling women “whores” reveals a fearful man. Any man who does this is clearly afraid of women. He attempts to hide his fear by demeaning women and insulting them, hoping it will him look big, tough, and strong.

    Sadly, this pathetic tactic only serves to highlight a man’s smallness, his insecurity, and his weakness.

  • Karl Chase

    Who is this slut Dawn Olson?

  • Karl Chase

    Victor you know not of what you speak about. I fear no woman or man. But women who put it out just because they are drunk and not called nice things. They knew going into getting drunk that something might happen. It’s been all over the news about date rape drugs and all the stuff happening these days. A girl needs to have people with her to help her keep her judgement, and if she dismisses them then she gets whats comming to her.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    You are dripping with fear, Karl Chase. You know it, and you will always know it.

    This is the curse you have laid upon yourself. Meaningless trash talk on the Internet will never free you from it.

  • Bliffle

    All America awaits the “Dawn Gone Wild” video.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    Is that the one where Joe Francis gets spayed with a rusty spork?

  • nugget

    Karl Chase is an idiot. Molded rebuttals with gross immorality as the adhesive ingredient are always too easy to see through. Keep lying to yourself Karl. Morality and justice are very real.

  • http://murasaki.blog-city.com Purple Tigress

    From the comments there seems to be a continuing prejudice against women who get drunk along the lines of if she was drunk she was asking for it.

    If the woman said no and was able to say no, then it should be considered rape. If she was so intoxicated that she could not say no, then she was also raped.

    Alcohol is a drug that has been used for date rape and has been condoned as such with a wink and a snicker.

    What other crime is considered the victim’s fault if the victim was drunk? If a person is drunk and that person is robbed by people who helped get him drunk, the crime would still be robbery. If a person was drunk and that led him into circumstances where he was murdered, then it would still be a crime and there would be less excusing of the behavior of the murderer.

    Conversely, if a person is drunk and kills another person while driving the driver is still responsible as the cause of a crime. A drunk person is responsible for actions that harm or are detrimental to the public welfare.

    The whole girls gone wild is basically the exploitation of women and an indication of the difference between the status of women and men.

    Some people do not believe in drinking and this, just as Mel Gibson’s current woes, would make a strong case to support their cause.

  • Martin Lav

    It is not an manly or honorably thing to have sex, consentual or not, with a woman that is obviously drunk. While technically or legally protected, it just isn’t right. Period.

  • Pam

    I think a bunch of college girls should get together and gang up on the ugly Joe Francis. His face is beyond homely. Anyway, they should shove a giant black dildo up his stinking asshole and make sure it gets onto the Internet.

  • joe

    Bride burning, women for sale from Asia, children sold from devastated lands, thank Allah-Buddha-Christ, all we have to worry is girls getting drunk and showing their boobs.

    Soon I will be a Pop of a little girl, hope I can teach her respect for herself and her society and not let her grow up to be a woman who thinks the world revolves around her, even though I am sure her mom and me will.

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    Whether Joe Francis is acting reprehensibly in creating the videos is debatable. The events described in the article, if true, are undebatably assault and rape. Nobody here knows whether they’re true or not based on anything more than the statements from witnesses in the article above.

    Those defending Joe Francis are making my skin crawl. Rape and assault, folks, rape and assault. Not getting someone drink to lower their judgement and videotaping the result: rape and assault.

  • Gabriel

    I think most of the point of views expressed here are correct.

    That guy IS an incredible asshole who probably couldn’t seduce a girl if he wasn’t rich and if the girl wasn’t drunk. Going down on a girl who is obviously NOT enjoying herself IS rape, though it’s not the sordid “dragging a girl in an alley to force sexual intercourse” idea of rape we have in the common unconscious.

    True also is the fact that this girl obviously was at least willing to go show her tits to a camera for a lame reason like getting in a movie, whichever type of movie it might be. When you start drinking and you don’t stop past a certain point, you can’t be held entirely responsible for what might happen with you, but yon can’t act like it happened out of the blue.

    As a québécois, where the legislation on alcohol is more loosely interpreted, my entourage and myself have started drinking around the age of 16 or so. Because of that, we get our drinking experiences a little earlier and by the time we are old enough to go out, we can manage to drink responsibly (or not) depending on our choice. When somebody becomes too drunk for its own good, the people around this person (male or female) should act responsibly and tell the aforementionned person to go home. This avoids ugly fist-fights as much as rape-like one-night-stands.

    I also want to say that if you describe a girl who gets drunk and is willing to be part of these kinds of movie a slut, that’s weak. Come on, such a behavior is only a symptom of lack of self-esteem and other deeply rooted problem. A poor girl who doesn’t know better might be more suited.

    Anyways, slut or poor little girl, all I know is I don’t try to hit on these girls. I would feel miserable if I could only have succes with boozed-up women. Plus they stink and the sex is lousy.

  • http://stacischoff.blogspot.com/ Staci Schoff

    This was really interesting, thanks.

    Some dumb videos of drunk girls flashing their boobs is only mildy annoying to me, but the predatory nature of Francis’ behavior is really disturbing.

  • Bry

    Go figure a bunch of college age girls get drunk and then do something they regret so they attack the guy. He was just filming what really happens and shouldnt be punished for it.

  • seagypsey

    Here’s a thought. I don’t live in the U.S. so I don’t know what the drinking age is in various places. It must be 18 because they are always asked if they are at least 18. If any girls drink and/or are drunk and underage they should be prosecuted. Raise the legal drinking age to 21. It could put him out of business. That’s assuming a 21 year old drunk female has any brains yet. Just think if these drunk girls are driving…..

    I have seen a couple of the videos in question and many of these ladies are “doing” each other. Why don’t they just say no to each other?? It aappeared that they were enjoying what they were doing. Hmmm.

  • Ping

    If the woman was raped, why have charges not been filed?

  • http://www.ladydragonfyre.com/index_files/LWS Lady Dragonfyre

    seagypsey,

    The drinking age in the United States is 21.

    However, the age of majority here is 18; that’s why Francis made the girl affirm on camera that she was 18.

    If Mr. Francis provided alcohol to this girl, he can be charged criminally for it, even though she drank of her own free will.

  • NIKKI

    JOE IS A RAPIST. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. I HIRED A PRIVATE DETECTIVE AND FOUND 5 OTHER GIRLS. I TRIED TO PRESS CHARGES, BUT DID NOT HAVE ENNOUGH EVIDENCE. WISH I KNEW THEN, WHAT I KNOW NOW. HE IS SICK AND DEMENTED IN THE HEAD. SHE IS NOT THE ONLY GIRL WHO’S VIRGINITY HE TOOK. HE GETS OFF ON IT. HE GETS OFF ON THE FACT THAT SHE SAYS NO, THE INOCENT, SWEET ONES. SOME ONE HAS TO STOP HIM.

  • Chas

    What is truly disgusting is that Joe Francis is featured on “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous” type shows on VH1 like he is just another celebrity. I’m a 32 year old male and would be disgusted by the thought of taking advantage of a intoxicated 17 year old child. The worst thing that vilely smirking, greasy-haired piece of human garbage does is hurt the image of all American males around his age. That he can get rich from this rape-lite industry he created is disgusting. I hope that he goes to prison for the rest of his life and is passed around so often by 2000 inmates that he never has time to put his pants back on. He obviously is from the same genetic cess pool as Ted Bundy. I wonder if any of the parents of the girls has two things- a sence of pride and sniper rifle training?

  • http://www.savesurface.com/phpBB2/index.php Jstn

    Wow. Great site, with, with lots of well thought out comments. I haven’t much to add, except that I feel the need to apologize for my gender, after being exposed to the actions of a scumbag, like Francis. I have to wonder how he’d feel if he had someone like him hanging around his own 18 yr old daughter.

  • bobby

    you should show 1 day of uncencored action and if they miss it ch! to bad for them dummys really think about it the ratings are already high but 1 day of uncencored action they will go off the charts

  • http://nothing kelly

    nothin ineed to say

  • justpeachy

    As a woman I feel a great deal of responsibility to behave in a way that respectfully represents all women. Having said that, I feel that the ultimate blame lies with women and girls and their parents to instill in them the importance of self-respect (especially nowadays when every schmuck has a video camera). I think all people (men, women, black, white,christian etc) have the same responsibility. I’m equally disgusted by Joe Francis as I am by the women who let him humiliate them. Believe me, I’m no stranger to drunken debauchery myself, but if I saw some guy heading toward me with a nose job as bad as Mr. Francis’, I would run in the other direction before I even saw the camera. Or at least call some girlfriends over so we could share a laugh at his expense.

  • Zilla

    When Girls Gone Wild first hit the scene, I didn’t even know Joe Francis’ name. I just knew there were loads of girls screaming, flashing their breasts, and you could buy it all for $19.95. It was awhile later that I realized they were not paid anything but a T-Shirt, didn’t have a stake in the profit, and they signed waivers to such an effect. It blew my mind.

    Over the years, as any marketing phenom, it’s gotten bigger, raised the stakes to keep ‘em buying. The culture is changing, and I’ve heard girls that are very sober expressing desire to be picked for GGW, and hoping they’ll make final cut so they can buy the DVD to show off. Francis knows this, and he capitalizes. It has always bothered me, on different levels.

    Some people think he is a genius, and if you’re talking on strictly marketing terms, he sure is. Still, I’m not sure how many individuals out there WOULD capitalize on what he does, in the way he does. The ones who would are the ‘sell by whatever means necessary/greed is good’ types, who deplorable for obvious reasons. He made a personal choice to found his company on the basis he did, and personally, I can’t help but think someone who would do so has a sensitivity gene or two missing.

    If he were a straight porn director who paid his actors for the product, I’d have much less problem with him, and much less suspicion.

    Thing is, our media is skewed and hard to trust these days, so no media portrait of Mr. Francis can be touted as accurate. I think it will have to take someone with a conscience and great cunning within the GGW inner circle to capture film of Mr. Francis’ alleged mysogyny and hatred of women to lend any weight to any claims. I have faith in time, and I truly do believe that before long, the guy will indeed crash and burn.

    As for the girls, there are so many variables in each of their situations, that to herd them all under one statement or another is very unfair to me. I think some do sign the waiver, get their T-Shirt, buy the DVD featuring them, and never regret a thing. I think some do the same to fill some need they have right then in that time, then come to regret and learn from it later. Some I think are indeed very weak, very naive, and get themselves into a situation that screws them up for a long time. The bottom line is that rape in an atmosphere like that is not a crazy notion.

    Furthermore, a girl being drunk or making a misguided choice does not make her body become open territory for any predator. No amount of alcohol renders a woman’s body no longer hers, and no amount of alcohol changes the meaning of the word ‘No’.

    Mr. Francis could not have made the money he did without the women who delivered what was required. They do not profit the way he does, they do not gain the lifestyle he has, but still they keep doing it. For now they do anyway.

    It’s a hard topic, especially factoring the sexual climate of the culture which, as loathesome as he might be, Mr. Francis did not create all by himself. He profits from the influence it has on the girls, and there’s not much anyone can do about it while the majority of the girls more than willingly feed this monster.

    I don’t find brests offensive, I don’t think I’d find GGW so offensive if the dynamics were different. I find it so dumbfounding to think most of these girls would not go near a porn film, and yet they would be paid for doing the same acts they do for a T-shirt or a pair of panties on GGW. That many of these girls brag about their GGW escapades but will still turn their noses up at porn actresses for being ‘whores’. I often wonder why, when there is a larger group of women in pornography harnessing the power of their bodies, the market for them, and reaping a profit from it. Mr. Francis has hit on a goldmine in this respect, and the thing that bothers me most are the young girls who do not seem to understand this bottom line, and what they’re really giving away.

    I don’t think this country is going to hell in a handbasket of debauchery and hedonism. It’s a cultural climate, and the climate always changes. Right now, I think the climate is harder to bear BECAUSE of the sexual aspect, and our innate discomfort when confronting it as a country.

    It is discomforting to think that Mr. Francis is NOT on the level, that he exploiting GIRLS, I.E. children. He is about marketing and money, he is not about morality or sensitivity, which is something I think we can all agree on. He does not seem to have much any desire to express any concern for his subjects, his attitude indeed seems to be that if they agree, he will cash his check accordingly. I think his attitude will indeed lead to his downfall.

    I think the more this man is covered in the media, which I actually hope he will be, then perhaps a new consciousness toward him will change with the climate. That the girls who would formerly indulge him will turn on him, and not deliver. That the people who buy his product will get an increasing feeling of discomfort in what they’re contributing to, and go somewhere else for the fantasy they want to indulge.

  • Mike Thetiger

    Joe Francis is a genius.

  • IvanMonet

    If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
    Teach your daughters to be more chaste.
    Joe is an azz, that is not crimal, even if he is a scumball. These girls are responsible for the effects of their actions.

  • http://www.davidlion.piczo.com David

    Joe Francis is a Big Professional at what he does.
    Girls be aware and be inform.

  • http://aol Miguel Ramirez

    While many people may find this work of Joe Francis offensive as it may be, the bottom line is that personal responsibility for moral decisions lie with each person. No one is forced to remove their clothes in public and by doing so you give up your right to privacy.These women who allow themselves to be filmed are giving up their right to privacy. Except for minors, who should’t be drinking alcohol anyway, these are adults who may or may not be making poor decisions for themselves and should not claim legal rights for those poor decisions. I’ve never watched a single one of these videos and personally do not condone such acts, but each woman “bit the bait” and must pay the consequence for their own decisions.

  • grtgrfx

    This is kinda late (and the very botom of the column), but I thought I’d add my 2¢.

    First, it’s not like straight, sober girls are conned into drinking on the GGW bus. If they drink, it’s often several hours before entering the bus, in whatever club they were attending. Further, in many cases girls come back day after day to film more shoots. They know what they’re doing and desire to go even further.

    Second, partipants have lots of time to opt out of filming. It’s not much fun, or sexually exciting, to fill out several pages of release forms thick with legal language, while finding and showing your picture ID or birth certificate to a cameraman as a producer asks you questions about your age and whether you know what you’re about to do. This process can take up to half an hour, and is done even BEFORE the girls start to take off their clothes.

    Third, GGW hires private detectives who check out every single taped girl for their age and ID before they can be used in a video. If the girls call later and bow out, the video is scrapped. If they can’t be positively ID’ed, their footage isn’t used. If their parents complain, GGW settles (if they can) before the shows are aired.

    Fourth, GGW camera guys are, in fact, extremely good-looking young men, and it’s no surprise in this era of instant hookups that many college girls would want to have sex with them. While this may occur (what camera guy is going to refuse free sex?), it’s not common; the staff never touch any of the participants on camera, and anything the girls do is entirely voluntary. What happens after…well, let’s just say that lack of sleep and easy access to alcohol makes for tiring workdays for a bus crew person. Sex isn’t always on their minds.

    Finally, it’s a business, and many girls won’t do anything for the cameras…at least not for a t-shirt. The crews sometimes spend up to $500 apiece to shoot girls solo or together.

    The idea that teens are exploited for free is encouraged by GGW to tittilate buyers, but there are plenty of “ringers” in every video box. These girls are no more exploited than Jenna Jameson is when she shoots a movie. In fact, a fair number of GGW girls have moved on to prominent roles in Vivid and other adult fare. It’s what THEY want.

    So yes, Joe is often a slobbering caveman who mistreats women and takes advantage of young girls. He even dates some of them, which for a small-town teenager is a pretty amazing opportunity to get into the Paris Hilton lifestyle. But, he found a market niche and is getting rich off it in the same way that Kellogg makes Count Chocula cereal which is horribly bad and markets it to children on TV, or General Motors sells Hummers to uncaring adults, heedless of the fact that gas-guzzlers are a direct financial benefit to militant Arab governments which abet terrorists in the world. We give the Joes of the world ammunition by taking our clothes off on camera, and we buy the end product, pulling the trigger on ourselves. Whose fault is it if it kills us?

  • grtgrfx

    Oh, by the way…for those of you who have never seen a video of Joe’s…they are NOT about casual titty flashing anymore; that was so ’90s. Current issue GGW video features solo and girl-girl masturbation, insertion of objects including dildos and vibrators, oral sex and fantasy play.

    Nothing is left to the imagination, and trust me, the videos, if rated, would be NC-17 or XXX. When they say CENSORED in the TV ads, they are. Heavily. The real thing is a lot closer to amateur lesbo hardcore porn. And that’s why I know participants WANT to do it; no faint-hearted girl would do what these coeds are willing to.

  • http://saggyballs.orgy PeteMcGuiness

    Joe francis is a pimp with a vision, i salute you. Remember ladies being stupid is never an excuse, YOU JUST GOT PIMPED..rock on joe..rock on

  • G W B

    Well the publisher and blogger are totally going to Hell! Huge fucking hypocrit that thinks shes funny! Hahaha hes not going to hell but she is! RIP BITCH!

  • cristal65

    So the dude is a fricking pig thats nothing new in the world of today but…. keep the shit off the TV !!! My grandkids dont need to see this i cant even block the damn infomercials thru cable because they dont rate them !! I pay to watch tv and i dont have the right to block this as of now so my only option is to cancel cable or to start shit ! My option is to start shit by contacting all the stations that allow this trash on their stations. I have rights to not have to see this and I wish more people would stand up and contact these stations so we can get this off the our televisions. The only reason these are protected is because of a federal law from back in 1998. This has got to change.

  • Your Mama

    PhenomenON is singular; phenomenA is plural.

  • ssherman68

    It’s too bad that girl didn’t file charges against Francis for doing what he did. He’s definitely a first class ass.

    That notwithstanding, Dawn, you could have saved yourself a few hours by simply putting “Read This” and the link to the original LA times article. What was the purpose of rewriting it on this website? You don’t present any new information.

  • someone

    This Joe Francis is a sick pig,no doubts…I am not a woman,but I really despise a ‘man’ like this bastard and so many other like him. But I must say that the girls involved are naive to the point that they are stupid,I mean,a bastard like that one pushes you around,how can one think ‘wow,Joe’s talking to me instead of these other girls’. That’s just being a fool. I am sorry to see a pretty woman get humiliated,I really despise to see on the interned these photos of pretty woman with the mascara running down their eyes…what is this all about? What kind of ‘men’ are these? What the hell is this stuff? Can someone tell me? Do these women get paid to get humiliated like that? How does that work? This is crazy…
    This world is really sick,I don’t understand it,and I don’t understand how these things circulate on the Net. I would love to make love to a beautiful woman or a pretty one,but I think I am,infact,just dreaming…the reality of this world is so different from dreams.

  • The Truth

    Joe Francis is not the issue.
    Irrisponsible behavior is not the issue.

    Anyone in Joe’s position is going to be hated on by many.

    Anyone who acts irresponsibly wil be hated on by many.

    When someone gets Cancer, we don’t just treat the symptoms. We try and find a cure.

  • http://legaleagle To Punky

    As a 24 year old woman myself, I am disgusted by your opinion. You think that an intoxicated person has full control of what s/he is doing? How is a contract to be legally binding when one of the involved parties (due to intoxication) lacked the capacity to form a contract? That party should be considered incompetent.
    I would also like to point out that in much of the legislation regarding rape, consent must be explicitly expressed ie. silence is not consent. A person being attacked may be so overcome with fear and intimidation that s/he cannot voice consent. We had a disturbing case, R. v. Ewanchuk, in which the defense of “implied consent,” which was actually brought up by a judge, was ultimately shot down by the Supreme Court of Canada. Just imagine having an aggressive attacker who is physically stronger than you on top of you–would you not feel a little intimidated? Many people feel that if they are polite to the attacker, s/he will let him/her go. Many people lose control of their motor skills when they are subject to trauma. I realize that in the U.S. criminal law is divided by state (whereas in Canada we apply The Criminal Code to all provinces and territories), but I just thought I would respond to the poster who said that saying ‘it hurts’ is different from saying ‘no’. In Canada we would find a lack of consent in both cases and would therefore find this sexual act to constitute rape. Check your state’s legislation and case law (how that legislation has been interpreted) to find out what constitutes consent in your particular location.
    For all those who say, ‘if you can’t handle your liquor, don’t drink,’ have you even considered the fact that many of these teens are consuming alcohol for the first time? They do not have any idea of the nature of the impairment that alcohol imposes on their judgement. And for those who claim that in their drunken experiences they could still remember everything they did, and make clear decisions about their actions, let me remind you that your experience is not universal. Alcohol affects each individual differently, and many people black out when they consume too much. People who have family histories of substance abuse have very different reactions to alcohol than those who do not–it’s genetics.
    But this is not even the issue, as once intoxicated (whoever you are), you are incapable of making fully informed decisions. Your brain cannot process information and apply logic in the same way as it can when you are sober.
    I think it is pathetic that we live in times where it is still acceptable and even encouraged to blame victims. I rarely drink, and do not think it is a very wise decision to become intoxicated. However, when someone does make the decision to become intoxicated, that does not mean that this person is consenting to any activity that will result from his/her intoxication–and it certainly does not give me the right to take advantage of him/her. Blaming the victims and/or calling defenders of these victims including Dawn a ‘whore’ or ‘slut’ reveals a lot about your own character. You are just too afraid to confront your own lack of morals, and instead find it easier to blame victims for theirs. I also don’t see how you consider calling Dawn or anyone else a ‘slut’ or ‘whore’ an intelligent remark. Please do not post; your filth is not worth reading.
    I also hope that those who believe that “Joe Francis is a genius” seriously consider the implications of their statements. I cannot believe one of you has children and would love to see your right to parent forfeited.

  • http://seekanswers.blogspot.com Judy

    Excellent article. Well written and describes what a scumbag this guy is.. Isn’t it wonderful making your fortune from naive, drunk young girls?

  • John Smith

    Joe Francis’s butthole before jail = o
    Joe francis’s butthole after jail = O

  • jaden

    Several points are being ignored here:

    Every guy knows that a girls first time is to be treated with significance, not rather by handing her a paper towel to wipe off her crotch after you rape her with the herpes that Paris Hilton gave you. Then telling her to get off the bus. This girl was RAPED as her first sexual experience. She could be a mother one day…this could be your mother. She was in pain during the encounter, because of her anatomy. Do you still think she deserved that? As a rule, no woman/child wants her virginity to be taken when she is drunk.

    Secondly, men get totally sanctimonious that women who drink deserve rape. Men are constantly getting wasted and injuring themselves because they are egged on. Can you imagine if men were rape objects (outside of prison) how easy it would be to rape them when they drank? Or talk them into having a threesome with their friend that they couldn’t live down? The only reason this doesn’t occur is because women are sadistic and men aren’t the gender of desire in society and get to walk around at 4 a.m. without looking over their backs.

    Really, what is the answer for you guys to stop women from “raping themselves” as you call it. No more drinking for all women. You buy these GGW videos, and one day you’ll know a woman who was raped that you care about.

    None of these women on these videos have any chance of a career. Doesn’t that say a lot about how men never respect a women who takes off her clothes in public? Yet, they’ll fantasize about her rape scene (not acted) & cheer her on in the bars and wish they could be the guy who goes home with her (but secretly think that she’s trash). Are you OK that they threw their lives away for a T-shirt? Men are the ones sending the mixed messages not the RAPE VICTIMS.

  • lovergirl

    I never cared about GGW. I figured, if those girls want to go wild, let them. But when I actually saw Joe Francis, I was shocked to see that the mastermind behind the popular series was in fact a closeted homosexual with a terrible nose job who hangs out with Paris Hilton (the biggest fag hag and lowest common denominator). And as much as I enjoyed an earlier post regarding him contracting herpes from her, he wouldn’t sleep with her unless she had a penis, which, if not for her video and photos, I would think she did.
    I’m not sure if seeing the girls in these videos as victims is not the very thing that victimizes them. Why shouldn’t women be able to get drunk and horny? They should. But that creepy homo behind the camera makes it, well…creepy.

  • Hugh Jorgan

    So…EVERYTHING claimed by a drunken girl with a morning-after conscience is the gospel?

    And what’s claimed by members of a presumably sober film crew doing their job is bogus…

    Which are you:
    1. spiteful feminazi
    2. lesbian raving against all things hetero
    3. rejected by GGW
    4. All of the above

  • Lawrence

    Naked

  • http://twitter.com/tolstoyscat Cindy

    Dawn,

    What an incredibly well-written article. I’ll have to read you more.

    To the general population: People who take advantage of drunk people are predators. The girls are blameless.

    A moral person does not look for weakness and then prey upon it. That is what sociopaths do. A good question to ask oneself–if one blames drunk women for not being able to make good decisions and holds predators unaccountable–might be: “How sociopathic am I?”

    There is a phrase called ‘rolling a drunk’–look that up while you’re at it.

    I actually heard there are laws that prevent contracts from being valid if signed when under-the-influence of intoxicants. What happened to those? Then again, I don’t put a lot of faith in laws.

    (lol–talking to myself, but just had to let that out.)

  • Cliff Notes

    To summarize:

    Ugly chicks: whining.
    Hot chicks: flashing.
    Ugly guys: buying.

    Move on, nothing to see here.