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Stay the Course in Iraq, or Cut and Run?

The whole argument whether to “cut and run” is interesting and complex. For liberals and Democrats it is a big problem. If Democrats regain power, how long do they have to keep trying to fix Bush’s mistakes? Do they get blamed if they just can’t fix the mistake in Iraq?

One consideration is that perhaps Iraq is unfixable. At times I think that we should just pull out of Iraq right now and just try and provide some humanitarian aid (or war reparations, but not military aid) to whomever takes power after the brutal year or two that would follow. It would be hard on the Iraqi people, but it will be hard not matter what we do and some mistakes just can’t be fixed. George Bush has broken the egg of Iraq and all his horses and all his men may not be able to put that egg together again.

I myself have never totally understood the argument of why Iraq can’t be allowed to divide itself into two or three separate countries (I know the Oil Companies oppose this because it would increase their costs to negotiate oil deals with more than one country). It seems that three countries, Kurd, Shiite and Sunni Iraq, would at least reduce the fighting to border fighting instead of block-to-block fighting.

Iraq is one tough conundrum brought to us courtesy of Mr. Bush, but I guess I do lean towards “cut and run”.

George Bush has screwed the pooch in Iraq and no amount of ‘abstinence only’ sex-ed will make that dog a virgin again…

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  • Shark

    Shark’s Plan for Iraq — written over a year ago, and as true today as it was then.

    Actually, things are worse.

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    Gee, BTP, do you think you could maybe get a few more hot-button words in your post title? How about “self-mutilation” – I hear that’s a strong draw for comments.

  • dee

    I thought I was the only who used George bush, iraq and screwed the pooch all in one sentence. I am glad to know there is someone else who holds this opinion.

  • HW Saxton

    I think we should pull out NOW. Fuck the
    consequences. It is a bit late to think
    about it now,isn’t it? We didn’t think
    about it going in why worry about it
    when we are leaving? We sould just give them a kiss on the cheek, send flowers and tell them we’ll call sometime soon.
    It’s as good a plan as any I’ve heard.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Nice emotional outburst. Any interest in providing some data or facts to support the theory that the situation in Iraq is beyond redemption? Every day I hear news which offers more and more hope.

    Dave

  • JR

    I myself have never totally understood the argument of why Iraq can’t be allowed to divide itself into two or three separate countries (I know the Oil Companies oppose this because it would increase their costs to negotiate oil deals with more than one country).

    Actually it’s Turkey that strongly opposes an independent Kurdistan. I happen to be a big believer in Balkanization; on the other hand, Turkey is the last Muslim nation we should be opposing.

  • Bennett

    “Every day I hear news which offers more and more hope.”

    Damn, I just gotta get me some rose colored glasses.

    Please post some good news pieces involving Iraq. Seriously Dave. I need to learn something other that what I read in the papers and hear on the radio.

  • http://leoniceno.journalspace.com Leoniceno

    We’re not pulling out of Iraq any time soon. The situation is bad, but we’re committed. If we were to pull out we’d leave Iraq a worse terrorist threat than we found it.

    There’s always insurgency, and it doesn’t seem to be letting up. The new government is going forward today, and there was a piece in the NY Times today saying that the Shiites are giving the Sunni proportional representation on the Constitutional Panel.

  • http://leoniceno.journalspace.com Leoniceno

    Scratch that first today.

  • http://cranialcavity.net/wordpress/index.php Marc

    Here you go Bennet, read them and weep.

    Number 25

    Number 24

    Number 23

    Thats only the last three out of a total of 25 posts. All very well researched and documented.

    And yes I agree, you do need to read something other than the NYT, WaPo, LAT or Boston Globe all of which wouldn’t print anything good about Iraq if a gun were held to the editors mothers head.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    I’ll try to do an omnibus summary of some of the best recent news from Iraq this weekend, Bennett.

    Dave

  • Bennett

    Thanks Marc. Why would I weep?

  • Bennett

    Ya know, at the risk of sounding even more naive, I have to say that if things were total gloom and doom in Iraq, several million citizens would probably be in the streets protesting on a daily basis.

    The links were interesting, not that I have had time to read all of the info, or follow all the links to the original stories. But what I did read was good news about a continued recovery despite a dedicated group of assholes with guns and explosives.

    I don’t agree with the path taken by GW to take our country to war, but these feelings are totally separate from my feelings about the Iraqi people. I want them to rebuild their country into the paradise that it once was.

    All other issues aside, nothing would make me happier than to have history record a dramatic turnabout in the quality of life for these folks, as a result of our invasion.

    Perhaps it already is.

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    Has anybody asked Laura yet, if her husband screwed the pooch before or after he whacked off the horse?

  • gonzo marx

    and are you going to balance that , in the spirit of Fairness, with the number of our troops killed this week, the death of yet another Iraqi elected official,and the Iraqi police and recruits killed?

    i totally agree that there is some good news coming out of Iraq…but i also agree that there is an escalation of the bad in the last few weeks…both need to be presented together for a more accurate overview

    unfortunatly there seems to be a dearth of Media that approach this without some kind of partisan Agenda and are willing to present the ENTIRE picture for better Understanding

    just my one sixth billionths of the World’s Opinion..

    your mileage may vary..

    Excelsior!

  • sydney

    I think Americans have to stick it out in Iraq. You can’t move in there, kill so many people under the false pretenses of fighting terrorism and then just fuck off, leaving civil war behind you.

    Sadamm’s regime must have been a nasty one, but it wasn’t one that prevented the average Iraqi of a some relative freedom and some stability. Sadamm killed and tortured many, but he wasn’t able to inflict the damage that a civil war or an invasion could do.

    One thing is for certain, it’s got to be Iraqi’s who decide what happens next. I hate hearing Americans proposing suggestions like “split up the country”. Give me a brake.. it’s not a fuckin board game. What the hell place has an American got in deciding anything to do with Iraq?

  • Nancy

    An interesting scenario looms in the future, however: no one is voluteering for the armed forces anymore, it seems. The youth of the hoi-polloi have glommed on to the fact that signing up entails a straight ticket to spend an unlimited amount of time sight-seeing beautiful downtown Baghdad, among other places. Also, that once in there’s no guarantee you’re out, even if they DO give you a ‘shorter’ enlistment time; after all, Bush can always unilaterally tear up that contract just like he did with the troops already in the field, hey? So where is this going? Well, if we’re going to be there for awhile, and the troops aren’t being replaced, where does that leave us vis-a-vis personnel? Ultimately with a depleted force incapable of doing more than trying to defend itself, if that, before being overrun. A draft? I don’t think even the neocons would be able to argue that one; fer shur most of the country would probably rise up and try to shoot down AF 1 next time it flew overhead. NOT that it would give W a second’s unease or moral distress to have to betray his promise on that score, since you can’t distress what you don’t have. But it is an interesting dilemna. Someone up in congress seems to think a president can’t take a drafted military force into this kind of situation, but that doesn’t sound right to me. Comments, anyone, on what that actual rule is? They certainly sent plenty of people over to Vietnam, and they were mostly draftees.

    One more snarky comment/observation and I leave the question to more expert persons than I ref: draft laws: if the military are having such a hard time getting volunteers, then why aren’t the Bush twins setting a good example as well as demonstrating belief that their old man did the right thing, by lining up to enlist themselves, hey? Ah – I must be on drugs: no Bush dead or alive has ever put him/herself in the path of actual possible endangerment. That’s for the peasants.

  • Richard

    Sure, a dramatic turnaround in the quality of life for these folks would be great, at least for the live ones.

  • sydney

    I disagree with the suggestion that all kids of age must go off to battle because their parents say so.

    I mean, if you asked the Bush twins whether they believe in the war in Iraq and wether AMericans like themselves should be fighting it, they’d probably say “no”.

    EVen if they did say yes, you could follow up by asking if they would enlist and they would probably say “no because I don’t believe that my life is worth losing over this war”.

    Personally, I wouldnt have any problems with them saying that. Why would they believe in this war… there hasn’t been any clear reasons laid out to fight it.

    In any case, parents shouldn’t be in any position to to pressure their childeren into going to fight a war.

  • Bennett

    Gonzo makes a good point (what’s new) in that there seems to be a total lack of objectivity in ANY news source. No one is giving the good and the bad together, but that’s not surprising. You can only fit so many sound bites into 15 seconds before hitting the commercials.

    But the print media has the space to do this, but aren’t (they deserve the decline in distribution for failing the public in this regard?). This leaves the blogosphere, and that takes effort. That leave blogcritics…. Hey!

    Sydney. Valid stuff!

    Nancy, I dunno.

  • http:/www.shortstrangetrip.org Joe

    Would you guys mind spending a little more time thinking before commenting:

    “Sadamm killed and tortured many, but he wasn’t able to inflict the damage that a civil war or an invasion could do.” Consider googling Iraq/Iran war and invasion of Kuwait. Geez…

    “no Bush dead or alive has ever put him/herself in the path of actual possible endangerment.” May I recommend the book Flyboys by James Bradley, it tells the story of a pilot who is shot down in the Pacific in WWII.

    Your ignorance of simple facts tends to negate any point you may actually have.

  • Eric Olsen

    there is relatively good news that is more germane to the big picture and the long haul, and there is almost daily nightmarish violence that is numbing in its regularity – the question is where do you place the priority. I still have no choice but to see the big picture, as painful as the daily events may be

  • Nancy

    I agree w/Sydney: the US is putting its nose in all over the world where it has no business being. The Right argues that We Must Uphold US Interest Abroad – except that argument is lame when it comes to the fact that as often as not we aren’t liberating anyone, but rather upholding repressive regimes the citizenry hate. Bush makes it clear daily that he won’t tolerate anyone tell the US how to do it’s business, including the world court. Yet he expects the world to leap with delight when he tries to tell them how to run their private business? I think the US would be a lot more respected if its leadership spent more time attending to their own internal national problems rather than trying to dictate everyone else’s because they can, like the 1000-lb gorilla. That’s how bullies operate. The real killer on this one is that Bush spends so much time and blather on “moral” reasons for the US to come into XYZ country and take over, which becomes downright embarrassing, because no one in their right mind believes it has anything whatsoever to do with his self-vaunted sense of ethics (which is nil, IMO) and everything to do with economic control issues.

    On the other hand, I can also see arguments for intervening in cases of gross malfeasance on the part of some regime. Battling Hitler was right. Battling the Japanese was right. Battling Kim Il is right. But if these are right, then why aren’t isn’t Bush as eager to go over and intervene in Darfur? Just as bad as Serbia, after all. Or could it be he has no business interests there?

  • sydney

    >>”Sadamm killed and tortured many, but he wasn’t able to inflict the damage that a civil war or an invasion could do.” Consider googling Iraq/Iran war and invasion of Kuwait. Geez…<<

    Joe, that was some time ago, before Iraq’s economy and military were dismantled. All people responsible for determining Iraq’s capabilities pre-invasion, suggested that Iraq was not a threat to American security. The Iraq situation had been far more stable than it is now.

    ERIC,

    You think there is positive signs for the long haul but really, those signs are set upon extremely shaky ground. IF ever there was a country likely to engage in long lasting civil war, it is Iraq. If ever there was a country that has been turned into a hotbed for terrorist sympathizers, it is IRAQ. We’ve demolished their country, there is going to be a generation of steaming mad Iraqi’s who’ll seek revenge, and they’ll be indoctrinating their children with the same hate.

    Also, Iraq could fall back into another dictatorship the minute Americans pull out. The difference being this new dictator is that he won’t be able to secure total control of the country as Sadamm had, and as such there’ll be civil war for years to come.

    I don’t propose any solutions, but I’m just saying a person can’t objectively look at the situation and predict anything. The country is as a volatile mix of forces.. anything could happen. The best scenario would be to calm the fighting and then get eh UN involved… however, the world hates America and will be reluctant to help us now since we went in there against their wishes (like a bunch of cowboys)

  • http://www.bigtimepatriot.com Big Time Patriot

    “Gee, BTP, do you think you could maybe get a few more hot-button words in your post title”

    I did the best I could… but torture and gun control just wouldn’t fit in the sentence.. Wait, wait, how about this?

    “George Bush has screwed the pooch in Iraq and no amount of ‘abstinence only’ sex-ed or ‘Guatanmo Style’ abuse will make that dog a virgin again…”

    Dang, maybe I should re-edit the title..

  • Maurice

    BTP

    you would probably also say FDR ‘screwed the pooch’. Some would say because of FDR’s warhawk nature over 50 million people died. Is that your stance? If it is who is worse, FDR or Bush?

  • Bennett

    Dave, I’m looking forward to the omnibus summary of “good events” in Iraq, but damn it…

    No gilding the lilly.

    No Spin.

    and

    No sweeping conclusions. (just the fax)

    ;-]

    Thanks!

  • http://cranialcavity.net/wordpress/index.php Marc

    Susan: Bush can always unilaterally tear up that contract just like he did with the troops already in the field, hey?

    And which contract would that be? Would it be the same one that includes Section 9 Part C on the back of the enlistment contract which says::

    “In the event of war, my enlistment in the Armed Forces continues until six (6) months after the war ends, unless my enlistment is ended sooner by the President of the United States.”

    End result? Whimpering whinney idiots that failed to read what they signed or have a selective memory.

    And blog commenters that haven’t a clue about what they write about.

  • sydney

    But Bush declared an end to the war more than six months ago….

  • gonzo marx

    ummm..one thing Marc..

    *In the event of war,*

    what “war”??..according to the War Powers Act..which is still the operative Law involved..it takes an Act of Congress to Declare war…

    add to that the whole “mission accomplished” bit

    now how about the folks in Theater of Operations that are NOT receiving combat pay..which i think we can agree that our Troops should get in a declared War

    just asking..i know i read my Contract..way back when…just curious if it had changed, or if you had some information i was not Aware of…

    thanks in advance..

    Excelsior!

  • http://cranialcavity.net/wordpress/index.php Marc

    Sydney please provide the source and direct quote that contains any Bush statment to that effect.

    Same goes for you gonzo maru. which in theater military aren’t receiving combat pay?

  • sydney

    “Speaking on the deck of a homebound US aircraft carrier, President George W. Bush announced Thursday that the “major combat operations” in Iraq have ended and the US-led forces “have prevailed.”

    “Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed,”

    — I was being ironic of course… but you and Bush both deserve it for trying to have it both ways. No one has “prevailed” in this war, and “major combat operations” means fuck all since most of the casualties are yet come.

  • gonzo marx

    ok Marc..after digging around to prove/disprove some anecdotal information i stand corrected about abuses concerning combat pay…in fact it appears as if some rule changes may be made soon so troops can allocate some of it towards an IRA…good news for them

    my point other than that, still stands tho..but thanx for the correction..(i am VERY glad those folks are getting paid, at least)

    yor turn…where is the declaration of War from the Congress as per the War Powers Act?

    also , after “mission accomplished” and the “end of major hostilities” how can the Administration still justify exerting Section 9? or those kooky “stop loss” loopholes?

    please don’t misunderstand me…we broke it, we have to fix it…and our Troops in harms way are NOT to blame for the Administrations fuck ups…they have a difficult mission, and i want them o have EVERYTHING they need…

    you know..like they should have in the first place…when you plan a “pre-emptive” action..then the planners set the timetable…unfortunately proper equipment and adequate planning for the aftermath were completely botched…and our Troops paid the price in their blood and limbs…our taxpayers are going to be paying the price for years

    where’s the Accountability from the Administration on these?..hell ..they aren’t even putting the expenses and budget for the military Operations in either Afghanistan or Iraq into the Federal Budget!!

    in my very first paragraph i admitted my Mistake..i did my homework and shouted “mea culpa” right here immediately after i discovered it…

    has ANYONE inthe Administration admitted their mistakes or incompetence in any of the following?

    the mistakes that led us into the Conflict?
    the mistakes in planning and preperation before and after the initial conflict for the arbitrary timetable?
    the doublespeak of having a “war” after “mission accomplished” without the legal Declaration , yet still stiffing folks on the end of their Contracts (we are NOT talking regular Military here, but the RESERVISTS and National Guardsmen)

    anyone taking Responsibility and dealing with it Honorably?

    George Tenet could have for getting the INtelligence “wrong” before the Conflict..he didn’t..he resigned months later…and received the highest civilian Award the President can bestow for the fuck up?

    on and on…

    like i said..i admit my mistakes, just as publicly as i make them

    anyone else?

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.bigtimepatriot.com Big Time Patriot

    “you would probably also say FDR ‘screwed the pooch’. Some would say because of FDR’s warhawk nature over 50 million people died. Is that your stance? If it is who is worse, FDR or Bush?”

    Small problem with your analogy, FDR’s war was against people who DID have weapons of mass destruction. Bush’s war was not.

    Let’s compare Bush to a leader in world war 2 who made a “pre-emptive” attack on another country. When Hitler attacked Poland, it was partly because of the “threat” that Poland was to Germany. Did Poland threaten Germany? Not really. Was the German attack on Poland justified? No. Did Iraq threaten America? Not Really. Was the US attack on Iraq Justified? No.

    The comparison of Bush with WW2 leaders is appropriate, you just didn’t pick the best comparison.

    Consider this, if you invade countries under false pretext, just like a terrorist regime such as the Nazi’s did, if in the name of “protecting the homeland” you allow your citizens rights to be ignored and start sending people arbitrarily to jails without trials, just like the Nazi’s did, and you start declaring people who disagree with you as “traitors” and “unpatriotic”, just like the Nazi’s did, what direction do you think the country is going in?

  • Shark

    comment #10,
    re: Good News From Iraq #25;

    Sorry, I could only read the first two paragraphs before I was blinded by laughter.

    The Good News: regular ol’ citizens picked up THEIR AK-47s and blasted some terrorists.

    Man, yalls standards for “good news” are pretty low — and if that’s your idea of stability, law, and order — you should visit the set of Deadwood.

    =======

    $5 says Dave’s Omnibus will include
    satellite tvs, cell phones, Jessica Simpson, and Willie Nelson.

    Keep yer eye on the swinging pocketwatch, America; Things are swell!

    yer getting sleepy,

    sleepy,

    sleepy…

  • Shark

    More GOOD NEWS (don’t laugh, this is serious!)

    A “Ms. Baker is being honored. For what?

    “Ms. Baker… rescued 30,000 books just days before the city’s main library was burned during the invasion of Iraq in 2003″

    She saved books from the effects of the American invasion.

    Now, she’s an “american” hero!

    That’s kinda like: “I burned down yer house, but you saved a few items! You’re MY HERO.”

    Wow.

    We truly are through the looking glass here.

    =======

    Marc, I’d be embarassed to trot this shit out as “The Highlights of Our Liberation” (cost $200 + billion, over 1600 American lives and counting) You are one easily amused sombitch!

    PS: I have a friend who is reluctant to criticize ANYTHING; his standard line is “I didn’t hate it.”

    The “good news” from Iraq kinda sounds like him saying, “The place isn’t a nuclear-fried parking lot yet.”

  • Shark

    (I’m afraid to click on GOOD NEWS ITEM #23.

    It’s just too goddam depressing.)

  • http://cranialcavity.net/wordpress/index.php Marc

    Shark: “You are one easily amused sombitch!”

    Well actually you’re correct. I had to laugh after you admited to not reading beyond the second paragraph, yet you criticise what you haven’t read.

    Yes it truly is funny, but the joke is on you.

  • Shark

    The “joke’s” on me?

    No, REALLY — the joke’s on America — but especially: these people

    …and it ain’t that funny.

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    DEAD SINCE YOU MADE YOUR COFFEE THIS MORNING, 05/26/05:

    NAME NOT RELEASED YET Not reported yet   U.S. Army Task Force Liberty Hostile – helicopter crash Baqubah

    NAME NOT RELEASED YET Not reported yet   U.S. Army Task Force Liberty Hostile – helicopter crash Baqubah (near)

    ==========

    DEAD OR INJURED in the time it took to plan and type this entry by BigTimePatriot

    ON 05/25/05:

    Wimberg, David Neil Sergeant 24 U.S. Marine Reserve Regimental Combat Team 2, 2nd Marine Div., II MEF Hostile – hostile fire Hadithah

    Siler, Alfred Barton Sergeant 33 U.S. Army 278th Regimental Combat Team Non-hostile – vehicle accident Tuz

    ON 5/24/05:

    Hahn, Peter J. Sergeant 1st Class 31 U.S. Army National Guard 2nd Battalion, 156th Infantry Reg., 256th Brig. Combat Team Hostile – hostile fire Baghdad

    Wallace, Jeff Private 1st Class 20 U.S. Army Task Force Baghdad Hostile – hostile fire – car bomb Baghdad

    Fisher, Dustin Specialist 22 U.S. Army Task Force Baghdad Hostile – hostile fire – car bomb Baghdad

    Drier, Charles A. “Chuck” Sergeant 28 U.S. Army Task Force Baghdad Hostile – hostile fire – car bomb Baghdad

    ON 5/23/05:

    Brazee, Joshua T. Specialist 25 U.S. Army 1st Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment Non-hostile – unspecified injury Al Qaim

    Perez, Christopher S. Sergeant 30 U.S. Marine Hdqs. & Svc. Bat., 2nd Force Svc. Spt. Gp., II Mar. Exped. Force Hostile – hostile fire – mortar attack Camp Blue Diamond (Ramadi)

    Varnado, Daniel Specialist 24 U.S. Army National Guard 155th Brigade Combat Team, II Marine Exped. Force Hostile – hostile fire – IED attack Al Haswah

    Verdugo, Russell J. Staff Sergeant 34 U.S. Army 767th Ordnance Co., 63rd Ordnance Bat., 52nd Ord. Group Hostile – hostile fire – IED attack Baghdad

    Barron, Bryan Edward Private 1st Class 26 U.S. Army National Guard 155th Brigade Combat Team, II Marine Exped. Force Hostile – hostile fire – IED attack Al Haswah

    Lunsford, Audrey Daron Corporal 29 U.S. Army National Guard 155th Brigade Combat Team, II Marine Exped. Force Hostile – hostile fire – IED attack Al Haswah

    Parker, Saburant “Sabe” Sergeant 43 U.S. Army National Guard 155th Brigade Combat Team, II Marine Exped. Force Hostile – hostile fire – IED attack Al Haswah

    ON 05/22/05:

    Wilkerson, Charles T. Sergeant 30 U.S. Army 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment Hostile – hostile fire – explosion Baghdad

    Schall, Kenneth J. Sergeant 22 U.S. Army 2nd Bat., 70th Armored Reg., 1st Armored Div. Non-hostile – vehicle accident Yusufiyah

    Seesan, Aaron N. 1st Lieutenant 25 U.S. Army 73rd Engineer Company, 1st Brigade, 25th Infantry Div. Hostile – hostile fire – IED attack

    Creamean, Tyler L. Specialist 21 U.S. Army 73rd Engineer Company, 1st Brigade, 25th Infantry Div. Hostile – hostile fire – IED attack Mosul

    Morton, Benjamin C. Sergeant 24 U.S. Army 1st Bat., 24th Infantry Reg., 1st Brigade, 25th Infantry Div. Hostile – hostile fire Mosul

    =========

    But Iraq has um… democr… um… securi… um… ord… um… TWO, count ‘em — TWO cell phone networks!

    THANKS GEORGE!

  • Shark

    MORE GOOD NEWS FROM IRAQ:

    A new alliance in the “democratized” Middle East?

    (AP) May, 19, 2005 –

    “In a move that is likely to inflame further Sunni Arab resentments, the Iraqi government publicly acknowledged for the first time Thursday that Iraq was the aggressor in 1980 when it touched off a bloody eight-year war with Iran.

    In a joint statement at the end of a three-day visit by the Iranian foreign minister, Kamal Kharrazi, the new Shiite-led Iraqi government said that Saddam Hussein, the overthrown Iraqi leader, and other officials in his government must be put on trial for committing “military aggression against the people of Iraq, Iran and Kuwait…”

    […]

    “…We want to put it behind us,” Abbawi said. “We want to open a new path of cooperation.”
    Even so, it was a gesture of warmth toward Iran, which has long sought formal recognition of Iraq’s use of chemical weapons against it during the war, and underscored how the political landscape has shifted, with Iraqi Shiites, many of whom spent years in exile in Iran, now running the government.

    The statement is not likely to sit well with Iraq’s Sunni Arabs, who ran the country for decades but have been largely left out of the National Assembly…

    Sunni resentment has hardened recently, with a leading Sunni cleric accusing a government militia, made up largely of Shiites, of carrying out mosque raids and killings.

    On Thursday [5/19/05], two Sunni groups called for the temporary closing of dozens of Baghdad mosques as a protest.

    “People will not accept it,” said Saleh Mutlak, a member of the National Dialogue Council, a coalition of Sunni Arab political leaders, of the admission of responsibility for the war.

    Ah, signs of a civil war…

    ========

    MORE GOOD NEWS!

    (AP) “In violence across Iraq on Thursday, multiple insurgent attacks killed at least 23 people, including three U.S. soldiers.

    Two of the American soldiers were killed when gunmen in a car fired on their convoy in central Baghdad.

    The third died when a bomb exploded alongside his convoy in the southeast section of the capital.

    Thursday’s deadliest attack occurred in the northern city of Mosul, where insurgents launched an assault on the home of Fawaz al-Jarba, a member of the National Assembly. Al-Jarba escaped unharmed, but at least 10 people were killed. U.S. forces, backed by helicopter gunships, responded to the assault. But al-Jarba later complained that the gunships mistakenly fired on his home after driving away four carloads of attackers.

    [“mistakenly? ahahaha!”]

    “…In Baqouba, north of the capital, a roadside bomb killed two police officers, and a car bomb parked outside a Shiite mosque during noon prayers injured two worshipers.

    Earlier in the day, a suicide bomber drove a car into an Iraqi army checkpoint in the southern neighborhood of Dora, killing one Iraqi soldier and wounding eight other people.

    In Baghdad, gunmen assassinated Qasim Muhammad Azzawi, a professor at the Baghdad Nursing School, and Ali Hameed Rasheed, a former official with the Oil Ministry, in separate incidents.

    In Tikrit, insurgents used machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades to launch an assault on an Iraqi army convoy. Three Iraqi soldiers were killed and four more are missing and presumed abducted.”

    ===========

    Good News from Iraq: Who Can Keep Up?!

    Have a nice day, My Fellow Somnambulent Americans!

  • http://adamash.blogspot.com adam

    There’s nothing we can do to help the Iraqis anymore. Our presence there is not stabilizing, it’s totally destabilizing. We’re the reason there are insurgents. The longer we stay there, the more reason for the insurgents to fight back.

    And while we’re there, we’re not keeping the peace anyway. Smashing Fallujah to bits to root out a few hundred terrorists is hardly a stabilizing operation. Who are we to think the Iraqis need looking after, and that we’re all that great in looking after others? The Iraqis are the best people to take care of their own business, so let them, for chrissake. The only reason the Bush administration is hanging on is they can’t let go of their original plan to control Iraqi oil and plant a few permanent military bases there. Forget about it: that’s all blown up in Bush’s face.

    Of course we should “cut and run.” Let the Iraqis solve their own problems. Who are we to “protect” the Iraqis against civil war? We had our own Civil War, and it was good for our own nation-building. Our war in Iraq killed over a 100,000 Iraqis. How many will a civil war kill? Probably not more than 20,000.

    Also, we’re not helping ourselves by staying there. We’ve already shown the world that, given half a chance, we’re as barbaric as any other nation when it comes to torture and killing innocents under interrogation. Let’s get the hell out, and save the Iraqis — and ourselves — a whole lot of future grief.

  • Nancy

    We won’t be cutting & running until Bush is out of office, at the least, because Cowboy George will most certainly not allow any action or words that will admit of his having made a mistake. He really does confuse himself with God … or the pope: he thinks he’s infallible. And don’t go excusing W and placing all the blame for the Iraq war on various ‘neocons’ unless you include W amongst them. He was no innocent victim of bad intelligence – he was the leader of NO intelligence, in all sense of that word.

  • Shark

    Counters by the “Good News in Iraq” crowd:

    ** crickets chirping **

  • livright

    I believe Bush is a godly man who wants to live according to right living. The people who put him down should not call themselves American. The people who put him down should try to quit watching soap operas and believing lies and really listening to the truth. We are at war with an enemy that is unseen. This is a holy war. War was declared on us on 9/11 and there are a lot of people that need to get on their knees and pray and seek forgiveness from their creator.