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Only in America, land of the free, home of the Back Room Boys. Could this be Bush’s Goering? I couldn’t fabricate a best seller with all of the twists, turns, and creepy background plots; no one would believe it! Porter Goss stepped down as CIA Director on Friday, suddenly and without explanation. John Negroponte supposedly steps in to the post, even with his known support of the Honduran Death Squads under his watch as Ambassador of that country. Some will say that as National Director of Intelligence, this makes sense, as he was already vetted and approved for that job – a job which, in fact, was superior to the new CIA Directorship he may be taking on today. So why step down a notch?

Let’s start by filling in a few of the blanks. Porter Goss was hired by GW two years ago with an agenda to ferret out the bad and make corrections, in particular with the clandestine operations. By all accounts, except for a few veteran officers of the Agency with hurt feelings over the political snubbing that a regime change always brings, he has been doing an outstanding job of creating a new framework and setting up new ideals and agendas to achieve this. No one has or will argue that last statement. No one of course, except Bill O’Reilly and the other talking puppets of the GOP. These guys have already started a feeding frenzy to slant this as a “bad boy, go to your room” adventure on the part of Goss.

A little background on John Demitri Negroponte from Wikipedia:

He is considered a controversial figure by some because of his involvement in the covert funding of the Contras and the cover up of human rights abuses carried out by CIA-trained operatives in Honduras in the 1980s. According to The New York Times, Negroponte carried out “the covert strategy of the Reagan administration to crush the Sandinista government in Nicaragua.”, and is a career diplomat currently serving as Director of National Intelligence for the United States.

Negroponte has served in one government post or another since graduating Yale in 1960. This is the same Yale GW and GWH Bush attended, with a membership in the same Skull and Bones secret society that father and son belong to; the same secret society that is purported to cull and groom those wealthy and connected students at an early age to groom into our nation’s leaders. This is a society with an alumni list that reads like a who’s who in American power structure: Names like Taft, Weyerhaeuser, Goodyear, Sloan, Rockefeller. Prescott Sheldon Bush, GW’s grandfather, sat on the Union Banking Corp. board of Directors in 1932, along with six other Skull and Bones members, two of which were German Nazis, H.J. Kouwenhoven, and Johann Groninger. This group led the banking interests that financed Adolf Hitler & the USSR. Please do not take my word for it; read for yourself. The Union Banking Corp. was founded by George Herbert Walker, GW’s great grandfather, who was a, you guessed it, Skull and Bones member.

I promise you, I couldn’t fabricate stuff this intriguing if I tried. Now before I go any further, I want to ask all you hardcore GOP believers to take note of my reference links, such as Wikipedia, Fox News, etc. I did not use Left Wing, biased hyperconscious rags, just simple ordinary, and credible reference points. That being said, I will draw a few conclusions, and yes, steer my perceptions and anticipations; so argue, comment, and rant if you will, but come with your facts straight. I did.

Back to my question: So why step down a notch? Is it possible that Bush needs a shepherd to steer a small part of the flock on a path to watch the other shepherds? Could it be that by stepping down a notch, Negroponte is actually stepping up three notches? Why not? Goering did it when Hitler needed him to. Having been the Reichstag parliament’s president, he stepped back to be a General, and later, Wikipedia notes,

He became Commander-in-Chief of Forschungsamt (“FA”), the Nazi underground monitoring services for telephone and radio communications. This was connected to SS, SD and Abwehr intelligence services.

Sounds like CIA to me, and you? Goering headed the Daddy of all watchdog intelligence groups in the Nazi regime, and according to Wikipedia, became:

“…the highest figure in the Nazi Hierarchy who had authorized on paper the ‘final solution of the Jewish Question’, when he issued a memo to SS Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich to organize the practical details,” (which culminated in the Wannsee Conference). He wrote, “submit to me as soon as possible a general plan of the administrative material and financial measures necessary for carrying out the desired final solution of the Jewish question.” It is almost certain however that Hitler issued a verbal order to Göring in the fall of 1941 to this effect.”

He later made this infamous statement at the Nuremberg trials that rings a little too chillingly close to home and the current war we are in now:

Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.

I am by no means the first writer to highlight the so-called Bush/ Nazi comparisons, yet, to date, this is one of the most striking developments. Is Negroponte Bush’s Goering? Do we need to keep a close eye on these developments or is this just a very well scripted piece of fiction on my part? You decide; I just place it on the table for you. Either way, as Arsenio Hall used to say, “one of those things that make you go ‘hmmmm’?”

And if General Hayden gets it instead, then the mystery only deepens. Who is leading whom and what better way to be in control of all, than to be truly in control of the watch and the dog?

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About Paul Jordan Sr

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Skulls and Bones. In my world, that would be a sexual connotation.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Paul, very nice article. Bit by bit the “conspiracy theorists” are being proven right about the Bush family and its constant ties with the most abhorrent of this earth’s people – Nazis, Soviets, Wahhabis…

    Just bear in mind that John Kerry was also a member of the Skull and Bones society and plenty of Democrats, like the Harrimans, made money off the Bush family’s doings in the wide, wide world of commerce. This is not to defend the Republicans, merely to point out that all have guilt to bear.

  • http://pjordansr.blogspot.com Paul Jordan, Sr.

    Ruvy,

    You are right, and by the way, Hillary is Yale, Bill is Yale, Goss is Yale, the list is too long and scary to explore here. “Power corupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

  • Ed Boswell

    In fact, Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker worked for the Harrimans, who were investing Rockefeller money along with their own considerable inherited wealth. It’s all true, including cloaking these assets AFTER Pearl Harbor. If Wall Street backed the Bolsheviks, and installed Hitler, then there is no left or right, just US vrs. them, the architects of the deadliest business model known to man, modern warfare creating wealth beyond belief, with the contracts to build everything you destroyed, with the cattle like masses totally unaware of the obvious. We are doomed!

  • http://TrineDay.com Ed Bishop

    Good that you’re discussing such stuff, but I’ve got to correct you about one thing: Negroponte is not Skull & Bones. I do have an interesting group photo of the Yale Fence Club with both Negroponte and Goss together in it. The’ve worked together in many escapades over the years in Mexico, Guatemala, San Salvador, Nicaragua, mixing up with Poppy Bush in such places as Cuba and Dealey Plaza.
    A case of familiarity breeding contempt?

    BTW, other Yalies include: Alito, Libby, McCallum, ass’t Att’y Gen (same yr Skull & Bones as W), William Donaldson (Skull & Bones), recent head of SEC. Even Cheney spent a few terms at Yale, but had to drop out with low grades (but he comes from a multi-generation Yale Skull & Bones family). Other notorious S&B names include Kellogg, Brown and Root.

  • http://pjordansr.blogspot.com Paul Jordan, Sr.

    bible believers org

    Ed Bishop,

    Beg to differ. Listed in the above addy as class of 1960, one Jonathan Dimitri Negroponte. Your confusing the stories related to Porter Goss not being a Skull and Bones, he is actually Book andSnake, class included Washington Post writer, Bob Woodward, Les Aspin, and Nicholas Brady, class of 1960 as well.

  • Baronius

    It looks like Gen. Michael Hayden will be getting the nomination. So much for the theory.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    That was another element of the story I wanted to go after.

    Hitler was, in essence, a religious leader with a plan. His megalomania got him in the end, but as an intellect, he was quite a bit taller than your “brave leader.”

    If you see in Bush a brilliant strategy, I honestly do not believe you are seeing George W. at work. I don’t see in him a brilliant strategy at all, but the guiding hand of George H.W. Bush. In essence, the old man got re-elected when his little boy took the oath of office…

  • http://pjordansr.blogspot.com Paul Jordan, Sr.

    “And if General Hayden gets it instead, then the mystery only deepens. Who is leading whom and what better way to be in control of all, than to be truly in control of the watch and the dog?”

    Baronius,
    It is often best to read the article, rather than to merely skim it.

  • http://pjordansr.blogspot.com Paul Jordan, Sr.

    Ruvy,

    Excellent point, I have often stated that, in my humble opinion, GWH is in his third term as President. GW was actually a very good Governor for Texas, he lost all control as President and failed miserably thereafter. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Negroponte, Bush SR., there is your real power base.

  • http://pjordansr.blogspot.com Paul Jordan, Sr.

    BTW, you do know that the actual founding father of Skull and Bones can be traced directly to J Kerry’s heritage? Fact, so did he fall off the other tree?

  • Bliffle

    IIRC, some of the same characters were involved in founding the Bank of International Settlements in 1932, whose first purpose was to secure Germanys currency under Hitler.

  • http://www.politicalsports.com Political Sports

    You have too much time on your hands and follow the whole paranoid agenda.

    Negropointe was not in S&B, as others have mentioned above. Many people have gone to Yale, some around the same time that end up in positions of power or responsibility. That does not mean they knew each other, or knew each other well or have some conspiracy brewing. God outside, get some air, have some fun. There are many things to worry about, an S&B conspiracy is not one of them.

  • http://pjordansr.blogspot.com Paul Jordan, Sr.

    In comment 5, Ed Bishop incorrectly stated that Negroponte was not S&B, and in comment 6, I corrected him and provided the link,in blue, to back up my claim. Bring your “better game”, Political Sports.

  • http://www.politicalsports.com Political Sports

    The list on the web site is wrong. That is an absolute fact.

  • http://pjordansr.blogspot.com Paul Jordan, Sr.

    “It is, because I say it is.”

    You are worse than Gen, Hayden on his description of the Fourth amendment! Too funny, I suppose the word “absolute” is the deciding factor that adds complete credibility to your argument, man, thanks for the laugh! I will be rolling all day! Oh man….

  • http://www.politicalsports.com Political Sports

    Please go to my web site, follow the url. Note my last name. “Chip” is not my given name. Then check your list.

    I would strongly suggest that the probability that I have a more accurate list is exceedingly high.

    Game, set, match.

  • http://pjordansr.blogspot.com Paul Jordan, Sr.

    Ok, JW, I’ll bite. I am naturally skeptical of claims made. Why would a Yalie, out 30 years, S&B, spend time writing a lesser known not highly profitable poly blog? Not to offend your site, it is quite nice, yet not on the scale of say, KOS, so I am still perplexed at the meeting of all these facts at issue?

  • http://www.politicalsports.com Political Sports

    Latent interest, fun, long time political activist, eventually turn it into an income producer. The road is neither smooth nor straight.

  • Hannah Belle

    have a listen to Mr. Benjamin Freedman; A devout Jew until his death, who defected from Zionism and spent the rest of his life telling a lost truth. Its amazing how much just the teeniest bit of light rips the darkness to utter shreds…yup…

  • Ruvy

    After two years, you have chosen to resurrect this article by pointing us to the words of a fool. I took the trouble to read them. Any “devout” Jew knows that you stand for quite a few prayers on Yom Kippur. I do, because I see the inside of the synagogue on that day, if only to avoid the temptation of going to the fridge to eat.

    First Freedman’s assertions:

    Kol Nidre: Evidence of Disloyalty

    Do you know what Jews do on the Day of Atonement, that you think is so sacred to them? I was one of them. This is not hearsay. I’m not here to be a rabble-rouser. I’m here to give you facts. When, on the Day of Atonement, you walk into a synagogue, you stand up for the very first prayer that you recite. It is the only prayer for which you stand. You repeat three times a short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may make during the next twelve months shall be null and void. The oath shall not be an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. They shall have no force or effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that whenever you take an oath, vow, or pledge, you are to remember the Kol Nidre prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted from fulfilling them.* How much can you depend on their loyalty?….

    Let’s talk about standing for prayers.

    Some specific examples. In addition to “Kol Nidré” one stands for the following:

    the silent recitation of the Amidá;
    for part of the repetition of the Amidá;
    for the recitation of Avínu Malkénu;
    for the Vidúi (confession);
    for the recitation of ‘Alénu;
    for the recitation of Kaddísh.

    This only briefly describes the prayers on the night of Yom Kippur. At the end of the prayers the next day, the curtains to the Holy Ark are opened, and we all stand for the Ne’ilá prayers, the final begging of G-d to give us forgiveness.

    If Freedman does not know the basics of what goes on in synagogue on Yom Kippur, when every Jew should be in attendance, how can I trust him to know anything at all? A bigger site full of garbage will not be found on the internet.

    After lying about the Yom Kippur service, he then twists the meaning of Kol Nidré to make it sound as if Jews can be relied on for nothing at all. This fool knows nothing of truth and quite a lot about distortion and lies.

    What garbage pail did this self-hating Jew arise from? And why do intelligent sounding people like you even believe him and the stink of his lies, Hannah?

    You do ill service to your own name, madame. Hannah was the woman who prayed in silence to G-d to give here a son, a son she promised to devote to His service. This son became the prophet Shmu’él – her style of prayer became the model for the “Amidá” the standing prayer recited in silence that is the center of most prayer services.

    Freedman’s assertions are garbage, and one can only hope that G-d in His Mercy, will choose to forgive Freedman his slander against his own people.

  • Guy Fawks

    Ruvy,

    You think you have all the answers, don’t you? Hell, not even God could compete with good ole boy Ruvy! Maybe you should stone the dude, or better yet, crucify him. And while you’re at it, perhaps you should figure how to deal with the person of this site, who is going around exposing jews for what they truely are.

    The world is onto your game. Maybe you should begin to think of ways of humbling yourself before history cycles once again to repeat itself. I think the world has also learned from it’s mistakes of the past as well.

    If I remember correctly, pride and arrogance is satans trademark. The jews bear an awful close resemblance, so much so that one might wonder if the jews just might be satan here on earth. I be damned if I can distinguish one from the other. And trust me, I’ve tried really hard. But I’m sure you’ll have an answer how to properly identify a jew verses satan, right? Well, go ahead and give it your best shot!

  • troll

    when I was young I shaved my head looking for horns…and son-of-a-bitch there it was (as a semi-Semite I’m only entitled to one)

    all hail Sophia’s vile offspring

  • Ruvy

    Do view comment #22.

    At last, Chris and DD, you have a real Jew-hater on your hands. Were this fine individual to come to my village, spouting off his “opinions”, he would likely get the treatment recommended by the Rav Meir Kahane, z”l, hy”d, who quoted the Talmud saying,

    “If a man comes to bless you, bless himn first; if he comes to kill you, kill him first.”

    And mind, I would not be first on line to “execute” the sentence. Others here would surely beat me to it. And since I honestly do not want murder on my conscience or on the conscience of another Jew, I would probably try to stop the murder attempt. So, this is not a threat: I simply describe reality for you.

    Given that it is very unlikely that he’ll come to my village, such an occurrence is highly unlikely; but he spreads Jew-hatred as a virtual personality here on Blogcritics Magazine. I recommend that he be given leave to speak freely his poison, as he has not attacked me or any other commenter personally. When he degenerates to personal attacks, I suggest you ban him.

  • Ruvy

    Guy,

    Maybe you should begin to think of ways of humbling yourself before history cycles once again to repeat itself. I think the world has also learned from its mistakes of the past as well.

    My suggestion to you is to humble yourself as well – not because the world has learned anything – stupid humans rarely learn anything that improves their character en massse. The lot of you are still the murderous savages you were when London was a swamp whose residents sacrificed their children to stone gods, and when Arabs were drunk on wine and liquor, worshipping stone gods as well.

    And G-d, Who created Time, and Who causes History to proceed, will create a cycle of death and destruction such that will make the Second World War look like a stroll in the cemetery.

    At issue will be whether you continue to exist at all in this universe, and one rule that will be applied will be “he who blesses Israel will be blessed, and he who curses Israel will be cursed.”

    My suggestion is that you act accordingly, and consider your words and your thoughts in that light.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Ruvy @ #24:

    Since for some reason my e-mail refuses to let me respond to Chris’s consultation with me on the subject, I’ll just say here for the record that we both concur that Fawks’s drivel should stay.

    “I have always been among those who believed that the greatest freedom of speech was the greatest safety, because if a man is a fool, the best thing to do is to encourage him to advertise the fact by speaking.”
    WOODROW WILSON*

    * This little gem smacks of hypocrisy somewhat: Wilson was one of the most egregious suppressors of free speech among all the US presidents. It’s still a great quote, though.

  • Guy Fawks

    Good morning Ruvy,

    Guess the truth is a bit much when others may just decide to educate themselves. History is for fools when one considers who dictated and wrote the past two, three centuries of it. Certainly is a twisted mess, isn’t it? Especially when the oppressor makes an absurd claim that they are the oppressed. Quite obviously, anyone who questions the oppressors version of history, should immediately be silenced, lest more begin to inquire.
    Thanks Ruvy, for the censoring. It certainly proves to me that you yourself, are incapable of explaining the real heart of any matter. After all, your most memorable and proud moment was working in a Burger King here in the U.S. Burger King employees are probably not the best subjects to have an intelligent conversation with. I suppose I should apologize to you for assuming that you could respond effectively with dialogue much higher than blowing chunks and bacon. Not exactly a level of conversation I find of any interest.

  • Ruvy

    Fawks,

    I’ll answer you once: you barely rate that, considering the garbage pail of a site you call knowledge. As for dealing with the idiot who puts it out, the only tool I need is an address and a loaded M16. I leave you to discern the rest on your own. As for you, you are nothing but an anonymous commenter who puts his drivel on this site by leave of the owners, and their agents, the comment editors.

    In other words, there is no issue of “first amendment rights” that apply to you. You are protected by a comments policy that shields you from personal attacks or threats to your person from other writers at this site. Given that I am covered by this policy, I will refrain from attacking you.

    Beyond that, there is nothing more to be said to you.

    Goodbye

  • troll

    respond effectively with dialogue

    what donkey dung…

    out here in the wild west this dialog (which drill my sisters and I used to go through repeatedly [much to the chagrin of the folks {especially while they were driving us around}] to improve our quick draw skills) goes like this:

    Fawks: ‘you’re a dirty dog – !’
    Ruvy: ‘prove it – !’

    …and then you both go for your guns – last man standing wins the debate

    …what in the world would an Israeli have to ‘dialogue’ with you about Guy – ?

    (PS – I tried to post this once already and it didn’t show up so it multiple posts appear ‘oh well’…the technical side of BC’s comments form is just about too fucked up to use it as a platform for discussion…some simplification might be in order)

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    I can’t decide which is the more depressing, Fawks’ blatant drivel or Ruvy’s mindless and futile violent posturing? It sure is two sides of the same crap currency of ideas though.

    For the record and the benefit of our new visitors, as the long suffering BC Comments Editor it is me that decides which remarks get deleted. We’re a pretty tolerant bunch on the whole but some remarks are just too brain shreddingly stupid as to deserve the server storage space.

  • Clavos

    “…it is me that I who decides which remarks get deleted.” :>)

  • Dan Miller

    Gentlemen, permit me to remind you that hate speech is defined as follows:

    Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, moral or political views, socioeconomic class, occupation or appearance (such as height, weight, and hair color), mental capacity and any other distinction-liability. The term covers written as well as oral communication and some forms of behaviors in a public setting. It is also sometimes called antilocution and is the first point on Allport’s scale which measures prejudice in a society (emphasis added)

    .

    Yea, though we walk through the shadow of intransigence, we must do no evil.

    Dan

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Clavos – only in GrammarNaziLand – and me, myself and I don’t live there!

  • Clavos

    Stop whining, Chris, it’s unseemly.

    Poms, of all people should be able to use the Queen’s English properly.

    Someone has to set the standards and be an example for all of the Colonials.

    Else, we’re all liable to end up speaking ‘Strine, or worse, Ameddican.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    I guess whining, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder, Clavos…

  • STM

    Clav: “Stop whining, Chris, it’s unseemly”

    Lol. It’s a national pastime in the Old Dart.

    You’ll never stop the buggers. It’s in their make up … “moosn’t groomble”, they say, in the great Pom response to “How are you?”

    But of course they do groomble, all the time, especially oop noorth. It’s grim oop there. It’s gotta be down to the weather.

    You just have to learn to live with it, and skirt around everything without upsetting them. We’re only here in the colonies because of them, so humour the good folk of the mother country :)

    Mornin’ Rosey, mornin’ Doc! Good version of that song, eh, boys?

    BTW Chris, what am I meant to do on that site? I’m a bit of a luddite, so if you could enlighten me I’d appreciate it.

  • STM

    Q: How to you tell when a British Airways jet has landed at Sydney airport?

    A: You can still the whining after the engines are turned off :)

  • Ruvy

    Hear…Hear, Stan

    Clavos, don’t you know why it’s called the Queen’s English? Because only the Queen and the fools around her (like at the BBC) deign to speak it. The rest of the Poms can’t handle the stuff – of course then there are the colonials who run away from the moother country – and who bring its whining with them, telling themselves over and over again “we left it in Bristol, we did!”

  • STM

    Continental northern and southern Europeans and British/Irish (and some North Americans and South Africans) of all religious bents are currently heading up the bulk of immigrants here at the moment, and I must say, Ruve, when we’ve had wave after wave of immigration that has brought with it some unsavoury and unforeseen results just in terms of cultural differences and expectations, it’s nice that the people getting off the boat have similar values BEFORE they get off the boat – kind of …

  • STM

    Doc, on that rendition of Grim Up North, I love the addition of Jerusalem at the end.

    That should be the anthem of England … leave that other ‘orrible dirge as the British anthem, and have Jerusalem as the song of England.

    Imagine the rugby Tests, at world headquarters of evil (Twickenham :), and for once, you’d be able to drown out the invading upstart Scots, Irish and Welsh – even those frogs, who truly have a great anthem in the Marseillaise – with a truly great song. It’d make Advance Australia Fair look pretty piss poor though.

    It certainly evokes it all for me: Green fields, the (heathen) Church of England and the suggestion of noble sacrifice.

    It was the rugby song of my son’s school – go figure, an Anglican song sung lustily at a Catholic boys’ boarding school on the other (convict) side of the world.

    Truly, the wheel turns …

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    STM, I’m not telepathic, which site do you mean?

  • Surfer

    Pulse …

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Oh, you mean Plaxo. To quote from their help info:-

    “Plaxo is a lot of things. It’s mostly about synchronizing the things that you and your friends do all across the web in a single place without you having you worry about any of it.

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