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It may be mostly schadenfreude, but Russian economist Igor Panarin is convinced that the current economic crisis has a political component which will eventually break the United States apart into as many as six separate nations. He's not alone in this belief. It has long been a staple belief of racist extremist groups and is now being predicted by some on the religious right who are ready with plans for how to rearrange the nation in the face of the Obama presidency. Conspiracy monger Alex Jones even got in on the act on his radio show this weekend, suggesting that there is an active globalist plot to weaken America by breaking it into several smaller nations.

On Russia Today Panarin predicted the outbreak of a civil war in the United States by 2010. Panarin has developed some following as a trends forecaster, and while his predictions may seem outlandish, he is not alone in subscribing to the idea that a breakup of the US in a civil war might be the outcome of the current economic crisis. Panarin blames the impending crisis on poor monetary policy and the US abandonment of the gold standard, a concern which he shares with many on the extreme right in America. He sees a collapse in America equivalent to the Russian collapse of the 1980s as the economic crisis leads to infrastructure failures and a backlash from outraged citizens.

Panarin is not alone in his beliefs. Trends forecaster Gerald Celente from the Trends Research Institute is also predicting tax rebellions, food riots, and the potential for civil war by 2012, largely as a result of the Obama administration's policies which he believes will accelerate economic collapse. Celente has made some successful trend predictions in the past, though his predictions seem to be directed largely by a far-right political ideology which includes the now-standard hatred for the Federal Reserve system which is common among Ron Paul supporters.

The scenario for the collapse of the United States usually starts with food shortages and food riots, mirroring international food distribution problems which we saw emerging last year with the food shortages in Haiti and the problems with the rice crop in the far east. Couple that with sudden fuel shortages which cause the breakdown of the interstate trucking system, and you have a formula for regional failures in the supply of food. This might even be compounded by the collapse of the dollar leading to the inability of the US to buy food on international markets.

Blame for this would immediately attach to the government and anger would increase as the government attempted to use forced redistribution of resources to help out the most vulnerable parts of the country. With a negative reaction to this in the more self-sufficient areas of the nation, most of which did not support Obama and are not represented by Democrats in Congress, you have a scenario for regional rebellion. Perhaps not armed uprisings, but obstructionism, refusal to comply with the federal government, and state governments demanding more local autonomy and less interference from Washington.

One aspect of the red state vs. blue state dynamic of the country which is often overlooked, is that while the Blue States have come out on top politically, the red states are much more self-sufficient in resources and infrastructure. In a time of crisis this underlying dynamic would become painfully obvious, as overpopulated and undersupplied states in the North and Midwest began demanding resources from politically disenfranchised states in the South and West where most of the agricultural and energy resources are located. When the force of the federal government is turned to massive redistribution of wealth and resources, those who are on the losing end of that redistribution are going to be very disgruntled. When a central government which you feel does not represent you comes to take the food from the mouths of your children and give it to someone else, suddenly concepts like secession and civil war seem more appealing than they might under ideal conditions.

The potential for a breakdown of loyalty to the federal government and for states turning against each other on a regional basis is certainly real. The country could easily split in two on red-blue lines, or break up as some have suggested with the West Coast, the South, Texas, the Midwest, and the East Coast all becoming autonomous regions. The question is whether the current crisis is bad enough or will become bad enough to precipitate such a breakup, and whether the federal government would actually engage in the kinds of actions which would precipitate the breakup of the union.

Right now certain indicators suggest that while the economic crisis is real, it does not extend to the parts of the economy which would precipitate this kind of critical breakdown in society. The crisis still remains primarily limited to the large-scale financial sector of the economy. Small businesses, regional economies, and regional banking seem little effected by the failure of large institutions. Loan defaults for agriculture and small businesses are not rising like real estate foreclosures and are remarkably low when compared with even the crisis period of the late 1980s. The food and goods distribution system also seems pretty secure. The combination of the fall in oil prices and ongoing reduced demand have put OPEC in a situation where oil prices may continue to go down or stabilize at a lower level, keeping trucking profitable and goods flowing around the country. Even fertilizer and feed prices appear to be on the decline as a result of low natural gas prices and a record corn harvest. All of this makes food shortages which might precipitate a crisis seem extremely unlikely.

The main concern is how much money can be sucked out of the strong parts of the economy to underwrite the mistakes and mismanagement of the large financial sector. It's really not the food shortages we need to look out for, but the possibility that government may decide to bankrupt the productive 80% of the economy to subsidize the failing 20%. If the Obama administration continues the policy of trying to cover the losses of the financial sector and starts paying for dubious employment schemes by picking the pockets of working people, farmers and small businesses, they may reach the point where people won't put up with it any longer. That outrage over wealth redistribution is more likely to precipitate a crisis than any problems with the food supply, but implementing such a policy would take enough time that the likely outcome would just be a backlash against Democrats in the 2010 and 2012 elections.

If the worst case scenarios these trend analysts predict somehow do come true and our leaders forget the rights of those who did not vote for them in their eagerness to subsidize the unions and big money interests which put them in office, we may be left with nothing but an emotional appeal for the union and hearkening back to the words of Daniel Webster at the onset of the Civil War:

"When my eyes shall be turned to behold for the last time the sun in the heaven, may I not see him shining on the broken and dishonored fragments of a once glorious union; on States dissevered, discordant, belligerent: on a land rent with civil feuds, or drenched in fraternal blood! Let their last feeble and lingering glance rather be on the gorgeous ensign of the republic, now known and honored throughout the earth, still full high and advanced, its arms and trophies streaming in their original luster, not a stripe erased or polluted, nor a single star obscured, bearing for its motto…that…sentiment dear to every true American heart–Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable!"

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  • Clavos

    Nearly twenty years ago, I read a book, The Nine Nations of North America, by Joel Garreau.

    Your discussion here reminds me a lot of it, but with a very different perspective, in that his “Nine Nations” were postulated on “clusters” (my word) of culturally related groups splitting off from all three North American countries to form smaller, more culturally cohesive nations than the existing three.

    It was an interesting book, especially back in 1989.

    As is this article.

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    I didn’t get into it in the article, but I don’t think the country breaking into autonomous regions or at least the reduction in the power of our current federal system would necessarily be a bad thing. Our founding fathers certainly didn’t intend for the federal government to be nearly as strong or play as large a role in government as it does today. Taking power away from the central government and returning it to the states might be the solution to a lot of the problems we currently face, many of which stem from the role the federal government has played in mismanaging financial policy on a national level.

    Dave

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    My question is, if the country does break up into north, south, west regions, etc., will there be a playoff?

    B

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Baritone,

    if the country does break up into north, south, west regions, etc., will there be a playoff?

    The question is not if there will be a playoff, but what will the game be? One senses, if all this does come to pass, that it will not be football.

  • bliffle

    How silly.

    This howler is flagrant: “…while the Blue States have come out on top politically, the Red States are much more self-sufficient in resources and infrastructure.”

    The biggest state in the Union, California, defies this notion. Without the Blue state of California the union couldn’t survive.

  • Brian aka Guppusmaximus

    My question is, if the country does break up into north, south, west regions, etc., will there be a playoff?

    LMFAO!!

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Threee years ago on 2 December 2005, I made a big prediction, one I was very worried would come true:

    (This is the biggie – here I am going out on a limb.) Reality has begun to become unhinged. What this means is that events are leaving the path we define as “normal” and taking another path. This process will accelerate after Jan. 1, 2006. This is also 1 Tévet 5766, the day that G-d begins executing judgment against non-Jews (according to Rav Yehoshua Friedman).

    I’m here to say, that looking at this article, I’m seeing that prediction coming true. I take no pleasure in this: but Dave is not off his rocker, even though some of his analyses may be off. En fin, he is reporting the words of someone else.

    That someone else may be off his rocker. That could be true. “Trends” predicters often are wrong. But according to economists who should know these things, the United States is not only in a recession, but has been in one for a year. The banking system is bleeding profusely. The construction industry is in trouble. The big three car companies are in trouble. And the government is transferring wealth that doesn’t exist to make it all didn’t happen. Heck, if I could get a millionth of one percent commission of the “money” flying around in bandaids, bailouts and subsidies, I’d be as rich as Croesus.

    But my sense of reality says that even if I could get that millionth of 1%, the money would not be real.

    The whole house of cards is beginning to look just like that – a house of cards. And it appears to be collapsing. The news of this Russian’s prediction is not particularly new. And on 20 January, unless events take a radical turn before that, a new president will be inaugurated and it will appear that a new sense of unity, hope and apple pie will have come over the States.

    And it will all be delusory.

    It is easy to laugh off what Dave Nalle writes; it is easy to laugh off what I write. But if this Russian is right, the last laugh will not be from the mockers of today.

    Cato said at the end of every single speech he made before the Roman Senate, “Cartago delenda est,” Carthage must be destroyed. For years they laughed at him. Then one fine day, Carthage was destroyed.

    Take note.

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    The one thing I’ll say for trend forecasting is that it’s more reliable than biblical prophecy.

    And Bliffle, California may vote blue (barely), but it will still be one of the hardest hit states if it comes to a nationwide crisis, and when it gets called on to contribute to bailing out the non-functional states it will turn red faster than you can blink an eye.

    Dave

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Dave, and I’m sure others have thought about this long and hard (no pun intended – well maybe just a little.) Whenever this sort of thing comes up I find that there is an element of wishful thinking by the respective, uh, bringer uppers, and certainly in this case, with Dave.

    He seems to gaze dreamily at the prospect through his died-in-the-wool libertarian perspective, seeing in it a more perfect world.

    But, of course, a large number of people with similar longings – to break up the union – to eliminate the Federal government are those who spend their week-ends playing army in their camouflage fatigues out in the wilds of Michigan, or, presumably, of Texas and elsewhere. Their great vision includes a good deal of violence as such a division of the country would, at least in part, involve revenge for some real or imagined slight done them by the evil Feds and other government functionaries.

    Some have grandiose delusions of their rising to be recognized as some great leader, a deliverer, A MESSIAH, who will bring true peace and harmony to the land via the use of individual arms and tactical weaponry. Some see themselves as the next Che Guevara, some as the next Fuhrer.

    Does Dave believe that a break up of the country of any kind would not involve a great deal of violence, a great deal of death and destruction? Or does his lofty dream justify the means?

    B

  • Brian aka Guppusmaximus

    I totally agree with Baritone & it has me wondering if Dave has been reading the Unabomber Manifesto recently.

    As for Ruvy, the more posts of his that I read, the more clear it becomes that he is some sort of religious nut job. AND, I am all the more happy knowing that he doesn’t reside here in the United States.

    Next,maybe, we will hear a word or two from Nostradamus?!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Why don’t we just forget the whole thing, pack up all the malcontents to Dave’s ranch, and then give Texas back to Mexico and be done with it.

    On second thought, we could give Sarah Palin and her sucessionists too, back to Russia, then she really COULD see the USSR from her window!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Dave; at least with the GOP out of power, it won’t be fought with Freedom fries and Freedom toast!

  • bliffle

    What strange ideas Dave has: “…California may vote blue (barely), but it will still be one of the hardest hit states if it comes to a nationwide crisis, and when it gets called on to contribute to bailing out the non-functional states it will turn red faster than you can blink an eye.”

    California voted Blue for Obama so solidly that none of the candidates even campaigned in California.

    CA has been supporting the rest of the nation with tremendous food output AND CA only gets about $0.75 of Federal money for every $1 of Federal tax sent to DC. Contrast that with the deadbeats in Alaska, who get about $3, and the shirkers in Wyoming who get about $2.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Cato said at the end of every single speech he made before the Roman Senate, “Cartago delenda est,” Carthage must be destroyed. For years they laughed at him. Then one fine day, Carthage was destroyed.

    Ah, good old Cato. The Trent Lott of the Roman Senate.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    The thing to remember about California is that it consists basically of two megalopolises and a lot of rural hinterland.

    Outside the liberal Bay Area and LA-San Diego corridor (and the SD end isn’t even all that blue), the Golden State is surprisingly conservative.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet

    I hear prospective governor candidates are even practicing their German accents!

  • Baronius

    Dread, you’ve got the right thread. Pull on it a little more and Dave’s whole argument unravels.

    It’s not just Calif. that’s urban/liberal and rural/conservative. It’s most every state in the union. Philadelphia is closer to Austin than it is to Scranton, if you look at it politically. (It’s also closer according to my new GPS mapper, which I think is broken.) So how do you redraw the map? Rural New Jersey is conservative; urban Georgia is liberal. There are no red or blue states.

    There’s a reason for this balance within states. Young, irresponsible people live in the cities and ruin them. Then they get married, and move away to good school districts. No one wants to be young on the farm, or old in the city. With that in mind, there’s no way to split the US into ideologically-compatible regions.

    Clavos, I’ve read some of that Nine Nations book, and I think it’s culturally illuminating. Do you think that those cultural bonds would be strong enough to keep areas politically intact if the US failed?

  • Marcia Neil

    But will we be able to digest the corn, and the article gives us clues that maybe we can’t — people purposely growing corn with applications of human-breath CO2, as one reason, together with the fact that a female U. S. President has not yet been spun into elected office as poltical action so purposefully engaged yet so woefully misinformed. That specific regions of North America tend to lock out immigrants, or phase out their descendents, is fairly routine such that the nation as a whole seems to be breaking up yet all the while actually absorbing foreign bloodlines.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Your post strongly reminds me of the early ’80’s when my pseudo-survivalist friends and I were stocking up on weapons and making plans for what would happen when WWIII broke out. In retrospect I see how silly our paranoia was…and how that paranoia kept us from striving to better our personal lives. Instead of completing our college education or trying to start businesses or increasing our quals in the military, we were too busy being afraid of the bombs that never came.

    I’ve seen such paranoia before, and every single time it’s been from someone who held strongly conservative beliefs.

    If you really want something to be paranoid about, pay attention to global warming – which is a reality and will (if left unchecked) be more destructive to humanity than anything short of an all-out nuclear war (which might happen) or a comet or asteroid strike (which WILL happen sooner or later). In the big picture of humanity’s future, all else is really small potatoes.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Baronius, that’s a broadly true model, but relying on it too much is the sort of thing that gets folks like Dave (and Bliffle) into trouble.

    A better measure is how urban a particular state is. California is (by land use) largely rural, but it also contains two huge metropolitan areas in which most of the population live. Then there’s Illinois, which consists of Chicago and some stuff. On the flip side we have Texas, which contains two major cities in Dallas and Houston but is also the size of a small galaxy, so that those urban areas are lost in a sea of gun-totin’, GOP-votin’ good old farmer boys.

    Even then there are always exceptions. Think of Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire, which can hardly be described as urban but which are nonetheless doggedly liberal. Conversely there’s Ohio, which has some major urban areas (Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus) but which seems to have barely controllable Republican tendencies.

    On the micro side, there’s me. I buck the trend. I grew up in one of the world’s great cities and was very conservative when I was younger, but later moved to rural California and have become progressively more liberal with age. I intend to grow old disgracefully, retire to San Francisco and trash the place.

  • Baronius

    Glenn, maybe you’re not old enough to remember the paranoid gun-toting hippies of the 60’s, who evolved into the Weathermen and Black Liberation movement. But if you’re familiar with the environmental movement, you’ve probably run across paranoid people there, quite often tied to anarchists and the anti-globalization crowd. There’s lots of paranoia on the fringes.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    If you really want something to be paranoid about, pay attention to global warming – which is a reality and will (if left unchecked) be more destructive to humanity than anything short of an all-out nuclear war (which might happen) or a comet or asteroid strike (which WILL happen sooner or later). In the big picture of humanity’s future, all else is really small potatoes.

    There was a documentary on TV earlier this year which looked at and rated the ten things most likely to bump us off. Soberingly, nuclear war is still rated as the most likely cause of our demise, followed by global warming, a massive pandemic and (I think) an asteroid strike.

    The others, like a supervolcano (most likely Yellowstone) eruption, a nearby supernova, a gamma ray explosion, a passing black hole and other delights most assuredly will happen, but they are unlikely to do so in the relatively tiny window of time in which our species exists.

    Personally, I’m skeptical of the notion that we’ll ever be so suicidally stupid as to unleash an all-out nuclear war. I do, however, think that a terrorist group getting hold of and using a nuclear device is just a matter of time. How the world reacts to that will be the crucial thing.

  • Clavos

    …retire to San Francisco and trash the place.

    Get in line. There are already millions ahead of you, doing so.

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    Once again a great many people seem not to have managed to read past the first page of this article. I raised the issues you read on the first page and then in the subsequent 2/3 of the article I go on to explain why I believe that such a breakup of the US is NOT likely.

    But by all means go ahead and call me paranoid and a survivalist and someone who is dreaming of the country breaking up into its composite parts, despite the fact that this is exactly what the article does NOT say, you lazy one-page reading bastards.

    Yes, I would like to see a reduction in federal authority and the return of a lot of responsibility to the states, but I don’t think breaking up the union is likely or to anyone’s benefit. I’m with Daniel Webster in the final quote from the article which none of you bothered to read.

    I do think that a rapacious wealth and resource redistribution policy will turn a lot of the red states redder and push some of the marginal states like California into the red column, but that will take more than a year or two, and by the time people really start feeling the pain, we’ll have an election and we can boot the Democrats out of power. That’s why we have periodic elections.

    Dave

  • John Titor

    There was once a person in early 2000’s that said he was a time traveller from our future. Ironically, a lot of this article deals with the same things he said would happen. Look up http://www.johntitor.com The civil war part is the most interesting of what John Titor had to say.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    Doc –

    Soberingly, nuclear war is still rated as the most likely cause of our demise, followed by global warming, a massive pandemic and (I think) an asteroid strike.

    All-out nuclear war could end life on earth, as could runaway global warming (think Venus) and an asteroid or comet strike (think Shoemaker-Levy striking Jupiter).

    But like you I really doubt we’d have a general thermonuclear exchange (even though we came really close several times during the Cold War). A massive pandemic – like the 1918 Great Influenza – would kill tens and possibly hundreds of millions, but mankind would survive. The others, well, our only hope is cooperation between the nations…which, if human history is any indication, is unlikely at best until the poo-poo really hits the fan.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    The risk of one or more of these potential extinction level catastrophes actually happening is reason enough for us to be working harder to colonise other planets as soon as possible.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Didn’t we, um, fight a war precisely to keep the union together, about 145 years ago? And the first Republican president was the moving force behind that war, with the racist states’-rights Democrats of the period opposing him.

    Now Dave, a writer who wants to believe that Republicans are still pure at heart and Dems are still corrupt racists, muses almost longingly about another civil war, since it would be a rebellion against the excesses of the centralized government.

    The mind reels.

  • Lumpy

    LOL. You’re right. They only read the first page.

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    Handy. Putting aside the issue of slavery, the south was not necessarily wrong on the basic issue of states rights, sovereignty and reducing the power of the federal government.

    Dave

  • pablo

    Nalle says in his article:

    “Conspiracy monger Alex Jones even got in on the act on his radio show this weekend, suggesting that there is an active globalist plot to weaken America by breaking it into several smaller nations.”

    Fact is Nalle that Jones has been predicting this for at least 5 years not just this weekend. He is a little more politically than you. As in a whole lot more. Not only that but Daniel Estulin the author of The Bilderberg group over 2 1/2 years ago predicted on video tape the whole current financial meltdown and why he thought this would come to pass.

    You may in your extreme naivete say this was all just an accident and it was greed, however only a fool would be so naive. This has been planned for decades, as the US was the last best bastion for freedom in the world, and when it splinters the globalists will move in with their one world facist agenda, headed by David Rockefeller, the Trilaleralists, the Bilderberg group, and the CFR who has been in the business of giving up our sovereignty since the days of Cecil Rhodes.

    How naive you are Nalle, and you will cling to your ignorance right up until the end. Have fun in Amerika, I for one have left it, and so glad that I did.

  • pablo

    oh yeah

    Obama my ass

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    Wow, Pablo. You expatriated? Would that be physically or only psychically? What country (real or imaginary) did you decide to move to?

    Getting any good turon there?

    Dave

  • Steve

    The right wing is well Armed group
    and locked and loaded

  • Paul

    I’ve seen this coming for years. If you don’t then consider this: We’ve have a large underclass population in this country, that is dependent on welfare checks and other gov’t aid. Imagine their reaction when it’s announced that either they will not get their checks or their checks are worthless or their checks have been devalued 90%. You will see Rodney King size riots in every large city in the nation. Add to that the outcry from the elderly who will also not be getting their SSN checks, formerly military and gov’t employees that won’t get their pensions – there will be millions of people out in arms – that is firearms! If they can’t get food, water, health care, medicine, energy, etc, imagine their reaction, all across the nation.

    I think the Russian analyst is off as to the actual way the break will occur. Nevada, Utah, Idaho and some other parts of the mountain states will be dominated by the Mormon church and its politicians. Due to the porous border and large amount of illegal immigrants, Southern Cal, Arizona, New Mexico, and southwest Texas could become allied or influenced by Mexico. The rest of Texas has a large black and white population and would not want to be ruled by Mexico. They would either stay independent or join with some of the southern or central states.

    Northern Cal minus SF Bay and the liberal coast would be on its own or aligned with Oregon and Washington. Alaskans are very independent and would fight off a Russian takeover. However, Russia could take advantage of the turmoil and send a large invasion force that might be hard to repel.

    New York, Wash DC and some Eastern states might band together but New England might tell them to buzz off due to dislike of NY. The northern central tier states might align with Canada. Chicago is pretty corrupt and might try to dominate the remaining central states.

  • Widewake

    Conspiracy monger Alex Jones???????
    I got NEWS FOR YOU!! Alex Jones is the only one in the MEDIA THAT HAS TOLD THE TRUTH.
    He is the only intelligent person smart enough to read the NWO documents, and warn the public.
    NOW you want to report that others are saying the same thing…hahaha(funny)
    Ignorant people who write articles and blogs like this one, call themselves informers,journalist on the cutting edge of news,….What a JOKE! Look for another job go FLIP burgers or something cause your useless! Get out of the business and get out of our way! Your article is way behind the times, YOUR LATE we already know this, we read it a long time ago from real journalists and bloggers.
    TRUTH HURTS! SORRY!

  • Graham

    America unite.

    Load your guns and throw out those who have bought our politicians, taken over our government and usurped the Constitution.

    First step is: identify the enemy and the criminals which must be brought to Justice.

    Start with Wall Street.

    Get rid of the private Federal Reserve by which the international criminals print money and steal in concert with their international owners of other Central Banks. The criminals are the international Zionist Banksters.

    Look for the common ethnicity amongst these criminals, but do not mistake Judaism for Zionism or you will charge and bring to trial innocent people.

    We must be careful not to repeat the crimes of Hitler which the Zionists sponsored with their money and the lives of innocents to justify the creation of the Zionist controlled State of Israel.

    As for Alex Jones. What conspiracy? He relies on facts. He relies on the Globalists own documents. Name calling by the use of ‘Conspiracy theorists’ is what the Globalists do when they are exposed.

    P.S 911 was an inside job. This is a good place to start any investigation.

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    I find it amusing that the Jones trolls show up right after his nationwide show goes on the air. He winds them up and they go out and spew idiocy all over the web.

    Read more than the first page of the article, oh and do some research of Jones’ work as a disinformation agent for the Russians while you’re at it.

    And while you’re at it, go read some of those NWO documents for yourself. I realize your minds are completely closed, but if you read them objectively you’ll see that they don’t support Jones’ ludicrous assertions in most cases.

    Dave

  • http://jclbiz.com Jack Lovett

    This artical is so far from truth,,beats any fiction I’ve ever read. The writer has his agenda.

  • George LoBuono

    Some think the only way to muzzle the US regime is to fracture it. But the future of global governance is in larger entities, global legal arrangements and groupings more like the EU. With Russia and China and Brazil all of the same size as the US, it’s unlikely the US would split up. Even with a dollar collapse, a new currency and banking system could be up in a week and a half, and emergency rations could be given out under promise of the new system, so don’t fear total collapse.

    Instead, look for greater entities: South America, all of Central America, and more–all under a global commonality of law, NOT a single monster dictating to all, but a simple legal recognition. No single regime can exist without being mostrously corrupt. So, to counter that, the future will see different large governments that can balance each other and allow for critique, legal process and ecological creativity.

  • jim is mad

    Don’t get wind up your dresses girls, we will have to just wait and see, won’t we?

  • Vox

    I can easily see the white nation of America breaking away and freeing itself of the millstone of the violent and terrorist niggras and the horde of mexcrement illegal invaders and other assorted mudsharks.

  • Cindy D

    Slow day at st0rmfr0nt?

  • Cindy D

    Dave you are getting some scary ones now.

  • deanla

    lately things appear to happen

    worse than even bleakest of predictions

    so these predictions may hold even truer than what most people would think right now

    unfortunately

  • Big M

    Alex Jones is a “conspiracy monger?” [personal attack deleted] He’s a realist.

  • Jon C

    History clearly shows that the a break-up is possible but that doesn’t mean it’s likely. It’s much more probable however that things will get much worse economically before they get better. This should motivate the thinking classes to fully examine how our government could fail so glaringly given the enormous power it now wields in clear contravention of the constitution and the intent of the founders. To surrender so much power to the feds and get a safe, orderly and prosperous nation would be one thing but to give up so much and receive so little in return should be all the evidence needed to convict our political elite of incompetence at the least and treason at the worst. Do most of you believe these problems are accidental? Do you think Jefferson, Washington etc…were wrong to warn us, their posterity, against a strong central government? If there is no rebellion it will not be due to lack of reason but due to lack character and strength on the part of we the people. Good luck to us all

  • Thyrique

    Not all Blackz is for Obama. The way iseeit, Blackz suffer more under demz becuz they pay for votes on the cheap. Living in the projects and barely making it for a vote is one heckuva high price for minorities and cheap for the power brokuz. I don’t have the answer, but I’ve heard the gov’ment takz a dolla and gives back 30 cent. I think it may give back less. Let me keep 75 cent and I don’t need the gov’ment. They know all that. this is a game of the princes and paupers. Too bad most of us are paupers.

  • http://cjstreet.com Carl Street

    “The people of this country will never consider revolution or the overthrow of its rulers. Anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist because when the people do not have bread they can eat cake…”

    Marie Antoinette
    Paris France
    1789

  • KurtB

    Reducing the size, cost and power of the Federal Government would mean returning to and following the constraints of the Constitution.
    A great idea, long championed by Ron Paul!

  • Mantos the Elf

    “But the future of global governance is in larger entities, global legal arrangements and groupings more like the EU. ”

    Uh you might want to take a look at the former Yugoslavia (montenegro secceded just like last year)

    Czechslovakia split into two.

    Numerous small Baltic states…

    Scotland getting its own Parliament…

    THE FACTS DO NOT SUPPORT YOUR CONCLUSION.

  • Good Joke

    What the hell has this Russian been smoking? Next there will be peace in the middle east, or no better still China becomes a republic of Taiwan, now that makes more sense.
    I believe, I believe, I believe!
    Well isn’t that what idiots are suppose to say? (Get a Life).

  • http://TripDownTruthRoad.com CSAcitizen

    Globalists are not behind the formation of nations – they are behind all the breakdown of all borders to make the world all ONE – under them. They do not want ‘many’ nations and will do all they can to stop any break up of a nation into more nations. Lincoln, a Globalist – the main one of his time, was a dedicated Marxist to the day he died, and he brutally forced the Southern Nation of the CSA into his own new nation he created after he destroyed the Founders nation of the US. He Replaced the Founders gov’t with one of his own making – a Mraxist gov’t that the whole country has been under ever since. The point is – from his very beginning of the establishment of the Elitist OWG in this hemisphere via Lincoln, the whole idea was to make ALL nations into ONE, not allow many nations of their own. Communism (which Marxism is) always needed ONE central ruling power pad to rule from. So the OWG (One World Gov’t)does NOT want ‘many’ nations – they want just ONE – that they rule. That is what the US Federalists have been working for all along. And the US will not break up into 6 or 9 pieces. But it WILL break into two = the ORIGINAL TWO NATIONS THEY BEGAN AS from back in the colonial days.= The CSA and the USA. California may become its’ own territory as they don’t fit into anyone’s format. California has become a whole different and Foreign creature. But the CSA will re-claim back their nation that has been under illegal US Federal occupation for 150 years, held at forced military gunpoint all along. The CSA never surrendered, they are just illegally OCCUPIED by the US Federalists. The CSA and USA are two totally different nations and cultures and have very little in common. You will see this split.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Well, I’m a globalist, but I have no interest in getting rid of nations, nor is it even helpful or necessary to do so in order to have a more integrated world. There is no contradiction.

  • Carlito

    I can tell you right now, I think a lot of latinos would like to take over the United States. Their reconquesta as they call it. They reject our language and culture, send whatever money they make in the US back to their home countries, steal jobs from americans, and have contempt for those very same Americans. A lot of Americans are fed up with this and its not going to take a lot for something bad to happen. I could easily see a war between the white europeans and the latinos erupt, there is a lot of anymosity there already. I dont think The whites will have a fight with the black people however, a lot of blacks share the anymosity towards latinos.

  • Steve

    This was one of the most rubbishy commentaries and so full of innacuracies about what and when various people said things, that it is frankly not worth even begginning. Just thought I’d mention it. I won’t be back here again, can’t imagine why a good and reliable site would link to this rubbish.

    Just one clue though. Ron Paul is hardly “FAR RIGHT”. His supporters run the full spectrum from left to right, and I am certainly leftist in most regards. He is and always was mainly a Libertarian.

  • MrB

    I’ve read that in the 1880s (?), post-Civil War period, anyway, the United States of America incorporated as USA, Inc. USA, Inc., the story goes, went bankrupt in 1933, and has been in “receivership” ever since. Under the Uniform Commercial Code, We the People are viewed as “corporate entities” and legal assests of USA, Inc., NOT as US “citizens” with “Constitutional rights.” That is, should our nation default, We the People have a “contractual” obligation to pay our nation’s debts, or suffer the consequences.

    Point: If USA, Inc. is out of business, and selling off (and selling OUT) its assests, if it was any other business, the people would be “let go” (fired), right? That is, We the People would be out of a job (as citizens) and “unemployed” (politically disnfranchised). In other words, the people would become “unemployed citizens” without a “country.” That is, legally, in the eyes of the world, we would be political and economic refugees within our own increasinlly irrelevant borders who owe a lot of dangerous people with long memories a lot of money.

    It also means that the US government will be unable to perform its ONLY function (under the dead letter Constitution, anyway) to protect its (former) citizens lives, liberty, and property. In which case, it’s plausible that one day a Chinese official could appear at our doors with papers demanding our property as payment on defaulted debts, and it would all be perfectly “legal.”

    When the People figure it out, boy, are they gonna be pissed.

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    Good thing you’ve been reading things written by fools and idiots, isn’t it.

    it’s plausible that one day a Chinese official could appear at our doors with papers demanding our property as payment on defaulted debts, and it would all be perfectly “legal.”

    No, it’s not plausible, or even possible. The money owed to foreign banks is in the form of structured, non-collateralized debt. It has specific terms for redemption which they have no control over, and it does not include any provision for payment in any form other than cash or replacement bills of credit.

    Dave

  • Biff Baxter

    Dave, nearly every empire in the world has ended in a conquest by external nations/tribes which felt they were owed something that was past due.

    Amerikwa will be no different. The only thing different this time is that the barbarians will have nuclear weapons when they come knocking.

  • rebel69

    when the crap hits the fan let’s not kill each other as in the past,as the mattoids will play us against each other…………patriots keep the faith!!!!

  • MrB

    Dave, reading things written by fools, AND wise men, is how we learn to discern between the two. I read YOU, didn’t I?

    It’s neither foolish nor wise, but a fact as I understand it, that the USA is not a “sovereign nation” so much as it is a “legal entity.” As such, USA Inc. is contractually obligated under the international Uniform Commercial Code to “make good,” or else, just like any other corporate entity on earth whose assets are “legally” seized, if necessary, by force. It’s an imperfect analogy. A better criticism would be to say that employees of a bankrupt corporation are not held personally accountable for the debt obligation of the corporation (bad enough they’re losing their pensions and health care benefits). It simply occurred to me (not one of the fools I was reading) that if corporate USA is broke, and out of business, where does that leave USA Inc.’s “employees.” My concern is, as “legal entities,” NOT “citizens” under the UCC, we may not HAVE legal standing in ANY court. Standing as what? Citizens? Of WHAT? A defunct corporation? If you, or anyone else, are unaware that the UCC, not the Constitution, is the law of the land, then all I can say is, welcome to the monkey house. But don’t take my word for it. Those are the facts as I understand them. Thanks for pulling this information together. If you have something constructive to add, I’d love to hear it.

    As to how it all plays out in the real world, you are in no position to tell anyone what is and what is not “plausible,” no less “possible” in a world where up is down and wrong is right and we’re making up the rules one day and breaking them the next. Better, I think, to hear what everyone has to say, take precautions, and put our “trust” in a good sturdy ladder.

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    But MrB, the US is not a corporation and the debt it issues is not commercial debt, but in the form of bonds and other securities, so your analogy is worthless, as most conspiracy theories are, because they almost always start from premises which are fallacious.

    Dave

  • MrB

    Dave, the government of the United States is located, as I know you know, in the District of Columbia. The District of Columbia was created by “An Act to Provide a Government for the District of Columbia” (aka, The Act of 1871). Under this Act, our government, headquartered in the District of Columbia, is subject to Private International Law, as are all corporate entities, not Constitutional (or Common) Law.

    Call it whatever you want. USA, Inc. Corporate America. Or perhaps, Business as Usual. If you were an international lawyer who was expected to know such things, instead of a blogger with nothing better to do than wasting his time (apparently) bantering with a voluntarily unemployed conspiracy theorist, I’d hold you to a higher standard. But, you’re not a legal expert, or the last word. Your readers are welcome to fact-check and decide “who’s crazy” for themselves.

    There’s nothing “conspiratorial” about these facts, other than what we “read into” them. There’s nothing sinister, necessarily, about the fact that dumbed-down Americans can barely read, are ignorant of their own history, and putty in hands of sweet-talking change agents. Unless, hypothetically, of course, the American people are being deliberately misled. Wouldn’t you agree?

    MrB

  • MrB

    Btw, since at the moment I DON’T have anything better to do, and since I’ve been a little off-topic, personally, I do anticipate civil unrest, shortages, and food riots in American cities and hinterlands, and therefore, believing that we ought to live consistent with our beliefs, I’m taking precautions. How it shakes out politically, I have no idea. Think global, act local. Small groups, extended families. Siege mentalities. Not quite “tribal,” but wait a couple generations. But I do know one thing: I am going to take an immediate disliking of WHOever, or WHATever, is claiming to be “in-charge.”

  • Morpheus

    If the U.S. economy collapses, Canada and Mexico are not going to step in and take pieces of the U.S. They will be reeling under their own financial crises, and they do not have the military power to secure such places. The U.S. military will come down HARD to restore order in America. If they fail, self-sufficient states may form breakaway republics, but these will be decided by the majority of the people living there, who will vote with either their feet or their bullets.

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    Dave, the government of the United States is located, as I know you know, in the District of Columbia. The District of Columbia was created by “An Act to Provide a Government for the District of Columbia” (aka, The Act of 1871). Under this Act, our government, headquartered in the District of Columbia, is subject to Private International Law, as are all corporate entities, not Constitutional (or Common) Law.

    Utter bullshit. First off, the Organic Act of 1871 deals with the government OF the District of Columbia, not the federal government located IN the District of Columbia. Not understanding that distinction is a bizarrely stupid misinterpretation of a relatively self-explanatory piece of legislation.

    What’s more, the act was rescinded and replaced with the DC Home Rule Act in 1973 which was then further amended in 1997, so the act you’re so concerned about isn’t even in effect any longer.

    Call it whatever you want. USA, Inc. Corporate America. Or perhaps, Business as Usual. If you were an international lawyer who was expected to know such things,

    What I am is a historian who has actually studied conspiracies and the history of US government at the graduate level and done research so that I have some idea what is true and what is garbage.

    instead of a blogger with nothing better to do than wasting his time (apparently) bantering with a voluntarily unemployed conspiracy theorist, I’d hold you to a higher standard. But, you’re not a legal expert, or the last word. Your readers are welcome to fact-check and decide “who’s crazy” for themselves.

    I sometimes wonder if it is the efforts of people to ‘fact check’ for themselves without any formal training or background or education or analytical skills which leads to these bizarre misinterpretations of law and history. Alex Jones, the community college dropout, certainly lacks the skills to read even the simplest historic or legal documents and draw reasonable conclusions from them.

    Unless, hypothetically, of course, the American people are being deliberately misled. Wouldn’t you agree?

    In the case of Alex Jones I’m not sure if he’s just nuts or deliberately misleading people, but it doesn’t really matter. The garbage he disseminates has to be opposed regardless.

    Dave

  • Robert

    Panarin expects the country to break along lines of ethnicity in a civil war. I’m assuming he means race also, when he refers to ethnicity. Chittum says the same. (Civil War II.) Where they differ drastically is in the partition of the US and those influences that will prevail.

    The good professor seems to refer to ethnicity, rather than race, because like all of us here in America he has been intimidated into avoiding any issues involving race altogether, ironically because the issue itself is so explosive. It’s almost impossible to discuss race in realistic, candid terms, yet it is one of the most important factors in determining the viability of Professor Panarin’s hypothesis in an open discussion. It’s as if we are not permitted to discuss race, because many fear it will lead to conflict. These are the same people who deny that any conflict will occur between the races. Amusing. If we’re not candid, leaving certain subjects taboo, what’s the sense in discussing anything about any situation?

    Chittum’s idea of break up is a bit different in the results than Parin’s. He thinks the Southwest will go to Hispanics in their quest of the fabled land of Aztlan and that they will have a close relationship with Mexico. He believes the Southeast will go black, with the exception of Florida. The rest of the country he sees as white-dominated.

    Chittum’s forecast seems more realistic to me, because there is so much contentious fighting right now between all of America’s tribal units it’s blaringly evident it can’t continue as it has without erupting. Every group is at odds with every other group to some extent. And Chittum knows the people of this country much better than Prof. Panarin, especially the racial make-up. Schools, jails and prison are periodically placed on lockdown in mostly California in black/Hispanic areas, and there are racial killings occurring between the two groups in certain neighborhoods in California as well.

    But there’s one more factor the Professor hasn’t considered. It’s the Canadian factor. Does he really believe that Canada is going to remain undivided if the racial and political elements in the US are fighting for control? He’s wrong if he does, because the non-whites in Canada will be pursuing uprisings galore once they see their brethren duking it out in the US, and there are staunch white conservatives in Canada, who amount to many people, who will want to fight for their side, so it’s highly unlikely any part of the US will fall under Canadian influence. Canada as well as Mexico will be steeped in so many problems of their own, they won’t be in a position to do anything but try to control their own situations.

    A US economic collapse is a collapse for the rest of the world too. China is having protests and riots right now, due to the closing of factories and people not being paid. France had 1100 cars set ablaze in one night during the holidays. Greece is having riots right now also. The UK, Spain, and Italy have been embroiled in ongoing conflicts for several years. All these countries will suffer as greatly as the US, if it does indeed collapse economically.

    But too, it should be noted that it isn’t all about race. Not anymore. Now we have an 1860 scenario in play. In fact some are saying 2009 is 1860 all over again, because we have the white population breaking along lines of ideology: Secular progressives who want more government control and complete egalitarianism; and a more conservative faction that consists of mainline, conservative moderates, to the far right fringe.

    The most vicious fighting could very well between these two groups, because they literally despise each other every bit as much as the various races hate each other, but any contest between them would result in the total elimination of the radical left, because, while they’re more vocal, they’re far, far less in numbers……..and there will be many, many converts.

    Too, as other experts have pointed out, although Europe doesn’t have the hordes of dissident third worlders as the US, they still have enough to create turmoil, especially after the ball gets rolling in the US. They’ve already had much more violence occur there than we have here.

    Also, Prof. Panarim hasn’t taken into consideration the domino effect the US will create when the choas starts here. The whole world will be affected.

    There’s much involved in this coming chaos, and the way it will eventually develop is going to be determined by what various factors are at play when the balloon goes up.

    The only thing I think can be forecast with any certainty is that multicultural societies are recipes for disaster, and it only takes a bit of trouble or an economic downturn to prove that’s true.

  • Dolorosa

    As we get closer to the anti-christ (hailed as the Jewish Messiah who will deceive the whole world except for those who follow Christ, the days will get even more evil, and no doubt, the civil arrest will lead to martial law for the U.S. Meanwhile, the Masons are going to have the first ever Masonic ball for Comrade Obama. Read the book, “Toward Soviet America” to see what is coming to the U.S.

  • Dave/Lauderdale

    It is pretty much impossible to forecast such an event,so I won’t even attempt it.
    I will forecast something that will come to pass without any hestitation,that is that there will be great efforts of the Dems and congress in the near future for the confiscation of weapons and there will be great resistance by millions of the 80 million gun owners in this country to such business.
    Good luck to all of you tyrants waiting in the wings,you’ll need it.

  • MrB

    I believe you. Are the Alex Jones’ of the world wrong — or “nuts” — about everything?

    Do you mean to say that our leaders never lie, never meet in secret, never conspire to break the law, never mislead the public for personal gain, and DO have our best interests at heart?

    If all conspiracy theories are “nuts,” and made by “nutcases” like Alex Jones, how does a prosecutor, basing a case on a “nutty” idea like people actually meeting secretly and planning and “conspiring” to commit a crime, prosecute the RICO laws? I’m not a lawyer either, but I presume by collecting evidence and persuading a judge he’s got a case. But it’s not dismissed out of hand as another nutty “conspiracy” theory.

    Or maybe you mean to say that some conspiracy theories have merit, and some don’t, and some of our leaders conspire to break the law, and others are genuine public servants. You don’t really seem to be saying anything. Other than a couple helpful tips that I really do appreciate, overall you’ve been a belligerent prick.

    But, now I get it, you’re a snob! You “studied” conspiracies. AND the history of US government. At the graduate level, no less. My. Most impressive. That explains the stick you’ve got stuck up your ass. I preume you haven’t actually received your doctorate, yet, or I’m sure you would have said so. If not, stay with it. You seem to have to stuff it takes to go far in academia. If yes, take heart, all is not lost. But leaves unexplained how someone as smart and informed as you’d have to be, can be so naive, or worse. If what you say is true, by rights, you’d be in a position to know better.

    Curious thing about Alex Jones, and others like him. I’m not a big fan, but I’ve heard Alex Jones attacked a million times as this that and the other thing. But I can’t remember ONCE when anyone actually successfully challenged him on his facts and refuted a specific claim he made. Not that he’s never wrong, just that nobody ever says how, or why. This isn’t the time or place to argue that point. Other than to say, neither did you. Why would you even bring conspiracy theories and Alex Jones into this? Out of intellectual laziness? Habit? To discredit someone’s ideas by association? Or was it just your friendly little way of telling me to fuck off?

  • MrB

    ROBERT: Enjoyed (!?) your post. You said,

    “But too, it should be noted that it isn’t all about race. Not anymore. Now we have an 1860 scenario in play. In fact some are saying 2009 is 1860 all over again, because we have the white population breaking along lines of ideology: Secular progressives who want more government control and complete egalitarianism; and a more conservative faction that consists of mainline, conservative moderates, to the far right fringe.

    “The most vicious fighting could very well between these two groups, because they literally despise each other every bit as much as the various races hate each other, but any contest between them would result in the total elimination of the radical left, because, while they’re more vocal, they’re far, far less in numbers……..and there will be many, many converts.”

    If the radical left is out numbered, who were all those people voting for Obama? Moderates? I don’t dispute what you said. As a white man living in rural NH, I don’t see myself aligning with the radical secular left or the radical Christian right, but I’m no “moderate.” Core convictions run right, left, and down the middle, like a lot of people around here. If I have to choose sides, I’ll let someone else make that decision for me. Pity the fool who forces me to choose between what’s good for the cause, and what’s good for my family.

    MrB

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    MrB. You seem to attempt to be rational. But remember that you’re on the same side here as Dolorsa in #68. That should give you at least a moment’s pause.

    Now, in my elitist and snobbish way, I’ve never said that there aren’t real conspiracies. But there are several things to consider about them. First, most of them are small and short term and of limited scope and usually get discovered with messy consequences in a fairly short timeframe. Second, many of the supposed conspiracies aren’t really conspiracies in that they aren’t really secret or they aren’t really the threat they are presented as.

    This is where Alex Jones gets away with a lot. His usual technique is to pick an issue and present the facts and then peculiarly misinterpret the facts to make them seem more ominous than they really are. Or to present selected facts or evidence taken out of context. So he retains the ability to say that you didn’t disprove his facts, even if you showed that his interpretation or the conclusions he drew from the facts are ridiculous.

    But Jones HAS been disproven again and again. He just doesn’t admit it when he is. Look into the story of the FEMA coffins for a good and unequivocal example.

    One thing Jones is quite correct about is that we ought to be concerned about the abuse of the power of government. The problem is that he ruins that valid message by diluting it with all of the false alarms and bullshit which he disseminates.

    Dave

  • TimberWolf

    Right now in this very moment if one tries to order survival food it often takes 12 weeks for delivery and most prices have doubled in the last year.

    This suggests that a ton of people in America are more than concerned about supply stability or US stability.

    Since the Obama election and somewhat before, gun sales are at record highs as is ammo as are applications for concealed carry.

    At times trying to buy ammo by the 100 box is near impossible.

    I have advocated owning gold and silver since 2000 in the physical form since my opinion since around 1999 was that our dollar was near the end of it’s useful life. I invested my entire retirement funds in metals when I retired in 2002 and to date I’m not sorry.

    I’m one of the crackpots that holds a multi-year supply of food that stores for years on end and yes I do have guns and lots of ammo as well as alternative heat etc.

    My thought is that it is like fire insurance that you hope you never have to collect on, but still to go without is a bit unnerving. Relying on others or the government is not what I’m good at. Trust issues.

  • MrB

    “MrB. You seem to attempt to be rational. But remember that you’re on the same side here as Dolorsa in #68. That should give you at least a moment’s pause.”

    It might give me pause, if it was true, but, there you go again! How can anything I’ve said be construed as being on the “same side” as #68?

    Dave, keep in mind, before you decide to judge someone’s motives and write them off as delusional and lumping them all together simply because they disagree with you, or because of the limitations of the information they’re working with, that challenging the status quo and asking questions is part of the learning process. Not everyone has the advantage (or disadvantage) of a graduate level education. But it doesn’t mean everyone who doesn’t is an idiot.

    The last thing I want to do is defend Alex Jones. I don’t care for Jones’ combative, paranoid “style,” but the fact is Jones, and others like him, provide an essential public service: An alternative source of information to the MSM, for which we all ought to be grateful, whether we agree with his conclusions or not. False alarms are annoying, and after a while we start to ignore them. But better well-intended false alarms (I give AJ the benefit of the doubt that he’s sincere), than no alarms at all.

    “Now, in my elitist and snobbish way, I’ve never said that there aren’t real conspiracies. But there are several things to consider about them. First, most of them are small and short term and of limited scope and usually get discovered with messy consequences in a fairly short timeframe. Second, many of the supposed conspiracies aren’t really conspiracies in that they aren’t really secret or they aren’t really the threat they are presented as.”

    Just because somene doesn’t personally perceive a threat AS a threat DOESN’T mean there IS no threat. (Hitler was “perceived” as a threat by some long before it became obvious to everyone else. If this was Germany in the 1930s, and AJ was ranting about concentration camps, sounds to me like you’d be writing him off as a “conspiracy nut.”) As you say though, most conspiracies may be small and shortlived and relatively harmless; but by saying so you’ve conceded that others are, in fact, big and long-term and relatively dangerous. I’d suggest it’s the BIG, LONG-TERM conspiracies that most of us are concerned about.

    Since I’m beginning to appreciate your point of view, would you be so kind as to name one, big, long-term conspiracy theory that in your learned opinion DOES have merit?

    MrB

  • Robert

    Mr. B said: “If the radical left is out numbered, who were all those people voting for Obama? Moderates?”

    Yes, a good percentasge of them are.

    Too, Mr. B, you have to realize that many people left of center right now are unaware of the true situation, but will come back to the center or the right in huge numbers when the volatility of war is thrust upon them and they witness large groups of whites killed by non-whites.

    The dangers of diversiuty will be blaringly apparent to them. Many on the near left today embrace PC principles, because they’re ignorant of just what it really means.

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    That’s just it, MrB. If a conspiracy is big (involves a lot of people) and long term (more than just one immediate goal) and has a significant agenda, then it either gets exposed and destroyed or it goes public and becomes an institution in the open.

    The classic example would be the Catholic church, which did manage to survive as a sort of secret conspiracy for a couple of hundred years before going public and becoming an institution. As an institution it has lasted for 1500 years, and we know it has secrets, but we’re generally not worried about how evil and dangerous its agenda is. The only other kind with any long-term history are relatively minor conspiracies to cover up some event. They can survive if the event happened once, was relatively trivial and involved few people. The classic example of this would be the press’s semi-coverup of the fact that FDR could not walk.

    Dave

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Dave,

    If your aim was not to set the conspiracy nuts off again, then the Roman Catholic Church is probably the worst possible illustration of your point you could have picked.

    There are people who believe that Angels and Demons and The Da Vinci Code are non-fiction, you know.

    (Hark! I hear approaching running footsteps. …Pablo?)

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    I’ve seen interviews with Dan Brown where he expresses his dismay and bweilderment at some of his more deluded fans.

    Dave

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Dan Brown specifically claimed in the forewords of both novels that everything but the actual narrative was factual and accurate. In fact, 90% of it is an amalgam of urban legends, made-up nonsense or claims that can be debunked with a couple of minutes’ research.

    He brought it on himself. He’s like the kid that puts a dead spider in Auntie Muriel’s lemonade and then wonders why everyone’s mad at him.

  • http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/ Dave Nalle

    Well, the Catholic Church and Opus Dei DO exist. So does Da Vinci’s The Last Supper. I rest my case.

    Dave

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Well, if the prophecy of St. Malachy comes to pass the successor to the present Pope shall be the last sitting Pope of the Roman Church. If that does happen I will get a line of Can Can girls to dance to Happy Days Are Here Again on the altar of the local Cathedral.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Dave,

    The classic example of … [a conspiracy] would be the press’s semi-coverup of the fact that FDR could not walk. That is absurd. I have always heard that FDR not only walked, but did so on water. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Silas, all that the prophecy of St Malachi means is that at the end of Benedict XVI’s tenure the papal throne will get stolen, the Vatican will have lost so much money in the stock market crash that it won’t be able to afford a replacement, and so future popes will have to conduct business while standing.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Verily I say unto Thee, Doc, that the Roman Church shall fall as all religions do. The Abrahamaic religions are about to bite the dust and they are hanging on for dear life. One hundred years from now Christianity, Judaism and Islam shall be like Mormons at an NAACP convention.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    What do you mean, all religions fall? By the celestial brow ridge of Gnug the Almighty, I call upon him to smite thee with his Club of Fire!

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet

    ahhhhhhhhhh uuuuuuuuuuuuhm ahhhhhhhhhh uuuuuhm

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Jet you’re a man of few um, words syllables grunts.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Silas, I do believe Jet was going for a Cro-Magnon mantra.

    OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMcrunch

    (The sound of a prehistoric thinker experiencing a rapid metamorphosis from man of faith to leopard’s lunch)

  • Dolorosa

    It is all happening because it is punishment for the sins of mankind. The gates of Hell will never destroy the Roman Catholic Church because it was founded by Jesus Christ. Read the last book of the Bible for the plagues which will inflict the world and think now about saving your soul before it’s too late. Prophecy is written that Communism will soon rule the world and Comrade Obama, who is a socialist, who both communists and freemasons (who are having a First Ever Masonic Ball for him) have welcomed him with open arms.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    With all due respect, WHICH Bible? I refuse to submit to the post-Nicene version of the New Testament. Jesus Christ never established a religion. He was a Jew – first and foremost. For the Roman Church to imply that it was founded by Christ Himself is an insult to the remainder of Christiandom. The Roman Church was established by Pauline Christians who saw the monetary value of the message they spread. Like Amway salespeople they spread out with their so-called “Good News” message.

    Dolorosa, there is a line of dialog from the movie The Man From Earth which sums up Jesus’ message very simply:

    Piety is not what the lessons bring to people, it’s the mistakes they bring to the lessons.

    I highly recommend the movie. It is my favorite movie of the last 25 years. But back to the message of Jesus — He taught us to question things from the Torah to government. Sanctimony was something He did not tolerate as is evidenced in Matthew 7:1 but like Saul of Tarsus, right-winged Christians pick and choose those teachings which fit their respective lifestyle. Remember, God gave humanity free will. That is His will. And His will is done.

  • Jack D

    #90 — January 6, 2009 @ 19:28PM — Silas Kain

    Matthew 7:1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

    Silas, you do what you claim others do.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    And I make no apologies for it.

  • Cindy D

    Blimey mate, I fink I’ve got a speck in me eye.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Dang, Cindy! Is that a plank in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

  • Jack D

    #92 — January 6, 2009 @ 22:17PM — Silas Kain ]

    “And I make no apologies for it.”

    Spoken like a true pontificating evangelist.

  • Cindy D

    The sweet sounds of Jesus’ loving followers.

  • Jack D

    #96 — January 6, 2009 @ 22:44PM — Cindy D

    “The sweet sounds of Jesus’ loving followers”

    What, another pontificator?

  • Cindy D

    Silas,

    That is no plank. That is my 10-foot pole. I’d use it but Jack seems to be covered in small red circular marks already.

  • Frosteetoes

    baba booey, baba booey

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    I’ve never been called a pontificator before. Is that a sexual perversion? All of a sudden I keep replaying a Mother Goose type rhyme in me head:

    Jack be nimble,
    Jack be quick,
    Cindy’s gonna beat you,
    Wit’ her big stick.

    And here you thought I was gonna go in the direction of Dice, huh?

    And then I am labeled evangelist? I’m not THAT “good” of a person. And, besides, I’ve always maintained the position that the good old “Oh What a Friend We Have in Jesus” was written by a group of non-Christian merchants counting up their receipts on Christmas morning. Prepare Ye the way of the Obama nation…

  • Cindy D

    Pink Protesters Pother Pontificators

    Prayer had just finished when men and women stood up in pockets across the congregation, on the main floor and in the balcony. “Jesus was gay,” they shouted among other profanities and blasphemies as they rushed the stage. Some forced their way through rows of women and kids to try to hang a profane banner from the balcony while others began tossing fliers into the air. Two women made their way to the pulpit and began to kiss.

  • http://dj6ual.jigsy.com DJ6ual

    This is one piece of a really BIG plot. As the #october2011 movement approaches it is important people become educated on the dots out there and how to connect them.
    *
    Chile’s Economy Collapse Set Up as Model for US
    EU Creation Set Up as Model for Global Governance
    Greece Society Collapse Set Up as Model for US
    Wiki-Leaks Releases Proof that US and Obama is Behind the Civil Unrest in the Middle East
    Research on October2011.org Shows Connection to Obama thru ACORN (George Soros).
    US and Obama is Obviously behind the coming Civil Unrest in America.
    *
    June 2011 – Bilderberg Group Meeting
    June 2011 – Media begins Reporting Impending Civil Unrest in America / The American Spring
    June 2011 – George Soros funded Orgs and Individuals Announce Plan to have Civil Unrest on October 6th
    *
    Obama Wants Civil Unrest on the Streets of America.
    Our Corrupted Elected Officials Want Civil Unrest on the Streets of America.
    The Bilderberg Group Wants Civil Unrest on the Streets of America.
    Terrorists and Muslim Extremists Want Civil Unrest on the Streets of America.
    The New World Wants Civil Unrest on the Streets of America.
    …..and we are all feeding the machine…
    *
    October 6th, 2011 Civil Unrest on the Streets of America

    Are you an American, or a person living in America?