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I was browsing over at Blogcritics when one of the writers commented on how obvious it was that no one was commenting on it save for this one post.

I have to admit, I did get a little angry.

I’m reposting my response to that post here because it’s worthy enough in an of itself as an entry. It’s how I truly feel. This entry also includes very graphic photos… not the ones most the media aired. I’m posting them so you can see EXACTLY what happened in Fallujah. THESE are pictures of HAPPY IRAQIS. THESE are pictures when you have a total failure as commander and chief of the US.

What is the point in any of us addressing it? It won’t matter. We’ll still be told how “The War In Iraq” was a good thing. “The Happy Iraqis”, etc, etc, etc…

I’ll repost my comments from BHW’s post here because I think it sums it up very clearly:

It goes back to this:

There are a lot of actual Iraqis in Iraq.

There are a lot of guns in Iraq.

When are the “Iraqis in general” with guns going to turn on the “specific elements within Iraq ” which are behaving like uncivilized shits and keep blowing the Americans who are trying to help the “Iraqis in general”? Really, where are the mass walks and demonstrations of Iraqis who are FOR the US?? Hmmm?

They’re cowards? Fear of retaliation? Then if you cannot fight for YOUR OWN FREEDOM, you do not deserve it. Period.
American Troops should not be used to fight someone else’s war… be it the president’s or the Iraqis. I know some people will roll their eyes at me saying what I always say but that doesn’t make it any less true:

Where was the US in all the other counties that had “problems” and tyrants before now? Nigeria? Etreia? Rwanda? North Korea? Cuba? Guatemala? ETC… ETC… Why are the Iraqis any more “special”? At least in the other countries I named, save for Cuba and North Korea, you had the people fighting their own wars. What the HELL has Iraq done?

FUCK ALL.

So what am I going to say when our boys and girls, both civilian and military get shot, burned up, and mutilated? We’re doing this for the deserving happy Iraqis because you know in the long run, the US will be oh so much better off.

To be blunt- It’s bullshit.

Heard on the news tonight about the new US embassy in Iraq will employ over 3,000. It will be the biggest US embassy in the world (because you know, unlike the more civilized western Europe, the US embassy in Iraq is basically providing social service and rebuilding infrastructure for the “happy Iraqis” that small town America doesn’t even have access to).

One only hopes that we don’t revisit that embassy evacuation in Saigon oh so long ago.

Vietnam kicked America’s ass.

The planning was shit. The execution was shit. A little backwater smacked the US good and hard.

Once again, where are the “happy Iraqis” who are helping? The police force? They just want money and a job. Translating Seabiscut for Iraqi children to read? What the hell?

And the president says he’s going to hand everything over in June. Even the Republicans are saying that Bush has not laid out or discussed a clear exit strategy.

You know why?

There isn’t one.

FUCK IRAQ.

This is where the Bush Administration has taken us in our “WAR ON TERROR”/Hunt for WMDs, Helping Iraqis. Mind you… war is nasty, evil, bullshit. Nasty things happen, it is war after all. When the US decided to show the bodies of Saddam’s dead son’s, that wasn’t fair and “uncivilized” as well. I’m not going to say the US is innocent. We never belonged in Iraq. The fall of Iraq had no bearing on this “WAR ON TERROR” besides maybe, creating more suicide brigades.

All the soldiers in the world cannot bring down the threat of fanatics. You cannot bring down religion with military might and bombs. These picture show you the kind of people we are dealing with. You tell me how do you reason with people like this?

Go back again and read my comment. Then go back and read this.

Look at the photos again. Clearly, we can win the hearts and minds of people who would do this… and more importantly a people where no one tried to stop or help these murdered men.

I’m angry. You can kiss my ass about “Happy Fucking Iraqis”.

Many thanks to BHW for alerting me to some of the bullshit.

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  • http://www.rockdummy.com Craig Lyndall

    They should show these on the news. I hadn’t really thought about it much until I saw these pictures.

    In this country’s worst moments in the last 50 years, I don’t think we have ever seen anyone commit an atrocity like this. Never. Maybe it is my ignorance and sheltered life here in the U.S. but these pictures make me want to cry and then they make me want to do something very bad to someone.

  • http://www.viewpointjournal.com David Flanagan

    Actually, those same exact atrocities were committed in Mogadishu. Remember “Black Hawk Down”? We now know that Al Qaeda was involved in bringing down two of our Black Hawks and helping to kill 18 of our soldiers.

    So, by the same reasoning Ms. Tek, President Clinton was also a total failure as Commander in Chief. Except that Clinton very quickly pulled American troops from Mogadishu shortly after the incident, a move which many experts believe emboldened Al Qaeda and terrorist organizations all over the world.

    Why do you think they did this to these poor souls? Because they want us to do exactly as you want to do, run away. If we run, then the terrorists have won yet another battle and will be emboldened again as they were in Mogadishu.

    Fortunately for us, our current President has more resolve than the previous one.

    One other point, the men in the pictures were not soldiers, they were private security guards who were guarding a food shipment. So, the fearsome terrorists killed those who were trying to give humanitarian aid to the Iraqis. Does this tell you NOTHING about the character of those whom we are dealing with?

    And you want to run? I have many friends in the military, some of whom have been to Iraq, some who are and they all believe the same thing; they want to stay until the job is done.

    David

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    DAVID,

    THIS IS NOT ABOUT CLINTON vs BUSH. GET OVER CLINTON ALREADY.

    You have this HUGE BONER for CLINTON. It’s totally a playbood… “Bring up Clinton”. Guess what? Clinton is never coming back. EVER. Nothing to worry about there, David.

    Mogadishu is NOT Iraq. And yes, he should have pulled troops out.

    What happend in Iraq was NOT al Queda. (As were most things in Iraq until recently).

  • Shark

    David, I have a question for you:

    In your mind, who was worse:

    Clinton — or — Hussein?

    (Just wonderin’…)

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    ROFLMAO! >=D

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    Your analysis in this column does not stand up to any scrutiny. Indeed, it does not really constitute “analysis.” Mere anger does not constitute thinking.

    Simply saying “fuck xxx” or “xxx is bullshit” does not constitute a valid argument. Indeed, it does not constitute any kind of argument at all. It is mere cursing.

    Things that you state as “facts” simply aren’t. For example, your statement that “Vietnam kicked America’s ass.” That statement simply does not conform to the facts.

    Now, our involvement in Vietnam was probably a bad idea. It was executed very badly, sure. But we simply didn’t have the WILL to win- which we perfectly well could have.

    These actions in Fallujah don’t represent the will or attitudes of a whole country. One could indeed argue that it is a racist sentiment to paint ALL Iraqis as being savages on the basis of the actions of these perhaps few hundred miscreants.

    Still, though, thank you for posting these pictures. I had not seen them. The American public needs to see them in order to make an informed judgment on what we should do- whatever that judgment may ultimately be.

    Personally, I’m disturbed more by the significant cheering crowds than by the desecrated bodies per se.

    Leaving any personal emotions aside, it simply will not do for people to think that you can do this to Americans and get away with it. We’ll have ten times worse problems there and HERE if this and these pictures go unanswered.

    Fallujah must and will be pacified.

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    The US “lost” in Vietnam because of propaganda by the anti-war Left. This propaganda crushed the morale of the military and reduced the public support needed to fight the Communists.

    Posting photos like these, accompanied by the accusation that the Commander-in-Chief is a buffoon, seems to be an attempt at doing the same thing. Perhaps it isn’t. But regardless of intent, the result will be weakened morale and reduced public support.

    And that is exactly what the terrorists want.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    But regardless of intent, the result will be weakened morale and reduced public support.

    RJ, read the comment just above yours. Al said exactly the opposite thing: his resolve to make someone pay has been strengthened.

    Different people react to these pictures in different ways. Some want to pull our troops out now, and others want to stay and fight.

    At the very least, all Americans have a right to see these photos and the reality and brutality of the situation over there.

    And please don’t blame the failure of the Vietnam war on the people back home who didn’t want it fought. That’s just so false — talk about propaganda! We lost that war because of poor military strategy and execution — we were not prepared for our enemy — not because of a bunch of hippies carrying signs and protesting on college campuses. Without the protests and public pressure, more American lives would have been lost, not fewer, because the war would have continued longer.

  • boomcrashbaby

    source:
    http://mcel.pacificu.edu/as/students/teachviet/INTERV.html

    On October 24, 1995 we interviewed Nelson Olf about his experience in the Vietnam War. We asked him to give his reasoning’s to why the United States lost the war. He said the first reason was that the U.S. went into a country that really did not want us to be there. By going into Vietnam we tried to build up a country who could never stand on their own, and we could not support them forever. Because of this, the war was lost from the beginning.

    The U.S. lost the war politically because of America seeing the truth on tv, and America didn’t like what it saw. That is why Bush doesn’t want America to see what is happening in Iraq. Dust it under the rug.

    The U.S. lost the war politically.
    The U.S. won the war militarily.
    So say many Vietnam vets.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    The U.S. lost the war politically.
    The U.S. won the war militarily.
    So say many Vietnam vets.

    If you have to split hairs like that, it was a loss, pure and simple. The US pulled out because her ass was getting kicked. It doesn’t matter why in this case because the fact is that it happened. A failure is still a failure when it comes down to the bottom line.

    We are dealing with an entity (ies) that don’t subscribe to Western way of thought. They will not be subduded. There’s a ton of virgins waiting for them. Illogical notions abound. They are not ready to behave. This change can only come from within. For now, let them blow themselves up and when they are ready to really change, and have a civil war in their own country to route out from within the bad seeds, then, and only then should we help.

    People seem to think the issue that no one is speaking up on the other side is unimportant. Even if the Iraqis are so apathetic to not even get involved, then that is still reason enough to say “Fine, why should I sort this out for you. Why should I spend my resources for something you clearly are not ready to deal with yet”.

  • boomcrashbaby

    People seem to think the issue that no one is speaking up on the other side is unimportant.

    The answer is simple Ms. Tek. We never went in to ‘free’ the Iraqi people. That’s just the reason we gave though. They never asked us to free them.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    My point exactly. As I said, since the WMD/Terrorism (pre inavasion) reasons fell thought, the mindless moved on to the “poor iraqi” bullshit.

  • boomcrashbaby

    so maybe consider when we see Iraqis cheering in the streets over the plight of America soldiers how it would be in this country if we were ‘liberated’ by another country that we did not ask to liberate us. Personally, I would never do anything like what the Iraqis do, but it isn’t hard to imagine that plenty of Americans would. After all, we are a violent society.

    (On a second note, I do pray nightly that Kerry will liberate us and I might dance in the street if he gets to, but I don’t own any weapons and I don’t harm anything with less than 6 legs).

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    I just cannot see Americans doing the same thing… and if they did, no one tearing into the people who did it.

    At least, I know if I saw someone mutilating a body, I’d beat the hell out of them, if not shoot them myself.

    Kill combatants if you must. I have no problem with this. Such is the price of war. Hanging the severed heads of my slain enemies on the end of my pikes is very old school i.e. barbaric.

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Kerry may well “liberate” the US in 2005, but the result will be the certain “un-liberation” of Iraq.

    Anyway, the point isn’t whether we should have gone there in the first place. We are there now. To retreat would be horrific. The terrorists would be emboldened that the US is weak. More attacks against the West would come. And against the US.

    Somalia’s massacre led the terrorists to believe the US was weak. I hope they are not right.

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “Kill combatants if you must. I have no problem with this.”

    These were not “combatants.” They were non-military personnel guarding a shipment of freakin’ food to feed the people of that hellish city.

    Only scum would do such a thing. The US military is not retreating from these scum. They are about to eliminate them.

    The city is surrounded. The guilty shall be crushed. And the idea that we should abandon the entire country due to a few atrocities plays directly into the hands of the terrorists.

  • boomcrashbaby

    Hanging the severed heads of my slain enemies on the end of my pikes is very old school i.e. barbaric.

    I completely agree. But so is bashing your child’s head in with a rock, or drowning your children in a lake, or strapping someone to a freezing fence post with their skull split open because you don’t like their orientation, or putting to death a mentally ill person (source Blogcritics Dan Gillmor).
    I could go on ad nauseum, but the point is I don’t know how America would act under an occupation, all I can picture is a truckload of rednecks with ‘God Bless The USA’ blaring on the a.m. dial and an empty gun rack on the back. My experience in this country is that it’s pretty violent. (but before somebody tells me to leave, I still love this country and I still think it’s the best).

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    I disagree with the premise that putting (humanely) to death a convicted murderer who is “insane” or “retarded” is anything akin to dragging the bodies of civilians through the streets, to be burned and hung from a friggin’ bridge, while teenagers watch and dance.

    You may disagree with the death penalty. I myself am abivilent. But this is a far cry from the atrocities in Iraq. Such comparisons are bereft of logic.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    Boomcrash, all the examples that you have given as far as I know were done not in witness of ordinary folk. All these things were done under the cover of night or in private. Not in broad daylight in front of a whole town with the media crew called in a head of time.

    I do think we are violent, and I will never speak for rednecks but even so… if a bunch of rednecks came up to Chicago and tried it, they would be delt with. I’l like to beleive that there ARE SOME DECENT folk everywhere in the country that if they see something wrong, will speak up. I cannot speak for things done in private or under cover of night.

  • boomcrashbaby

    Then drop that comparison, the rest and plenty more that I haven’t listed still apply.

  • boomcrashbaby

    True, Ms. Tek. I cannot come up with a completely 100% analogous example, because America isn’t occupied by a foreign power. To both you and RJ, and anybody else reading, I am not trying to compare atrocities. I am trying to illustrate that we are a violent nation, and IF we were occupied, I do believe that the majority of us would be repulsed by such violent activity, as I believe a large part of Iraqis are. Whether we would try to stop the ‘rednecks’ or not is moot, as we won’t know until/if it happens. Not to sound like a coward, but I don’t own a gun. If there was a group of rednecks dismembering a dead body, I would be more concerned with removing myself and my family from a potentially dangerous situation than anything else. We don’t know how we, as a nation, would react in a situation we have never encountered.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    Ah…I own several knives and a gun (shhhhh… you’re not supposed to have them in Chicago… Illegal unless working for a licence agency which I am not at the moment).

    I know how we would act. We riot.

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Why are “rednecks” being singled out here? Are only Rural Southern White Men capable of atrocities in America?

  • Agentsmith

    These pictures serve as a graphic reminder of what a gruesome situation the American soldiers are subjected to.

    This makes me wonder if Bush senior was right to pull out of Iraq early.

    IMHO the situation can only get much worse. This is not a racist comment but people from that region and religion tend to want the maximum degree of violence imposed both upon themselves and their enemies in situations of conflict. Surely it must have something to do with the culture.

    Using Hamas as an example, if you put yourself in their state of mind, they truly believe that they are doing something just and honorable dying or their cause. Their methods are gruesome but it is justified and endorsed.

    Vietnam is not even close to being a parallel. After years of atrocities and loss of families and homes, I have rarely heard of terrorist activities from the Vietnamese against the Americans. I am not even aware of any violent acts against Americans.

    IMHO The only way out for this situation is to get out. You just cannot win by losing.

  • boomcrashbaby

    Most rednecks I know have a ‘God Bless the USA’ attitude (national pride is a good thing, don’t misunderstand me) and I see them as using their NRA sanctioned guns to go after the occupiers while the rest of the country would probably be clearing out the store shelves?

    This comment here “if you put yourself in their state of mind, they truly believe that they are doing something just and honorable” by AgentSmith is what I was trying to do.

  • sheri

    Good Gawd, you sound all beaten up into a froth here to come and kill all redneck males and children.. leaving the “peaches” for last, after you’ve tasted them up real good.

    Gimme a break, any kind of comparison you make between rednecks and this atrocity is gonna come out the same way no matter how you tURN it…your making a comparison, and like the saying goes where I come from…That Dog Just Won’t Hunt.

    Exactly what part of the good ole U S of A does this kind of stupid shit come from?

  • SFC Ski

    “They never asked us to free them.”

    Actually, quite a few of them did, right after the 1991 Gulf War.

    More than a few of them here in Bahgdad are happy to have us here, and will be glad to see us go, once the elements that are trying their best to resist democratic progress, or carve out their own Islamic/Sunni/Shia Republic, are gone. What is going on today in Bahgdad is a result of that.

    I won’t tell you that every Iraqi loves us or hates us, I will tell you that gauging the popoulation’s mood here is about as difficult as it is from reading the comments left on this one post’s resulting comments.

    For me, in the long run it comes down to this, Hussein was brutal and violent to his people, even moreso after his defeat in Kuwait and the subsequent failed uprising of the Shia and Kurds. With him in power, and likely his psychotic offspring in the wings after his passing, the Iraqi people had no hope of things being better for them, or their children. While it has been difficult and bloody, the Iraqis have hope of something better, not tomorrow, not immediately, but hope is there. It sucks to be here, away from my family, inconveniently living in rough conditions (excepting Internet access), but at least I can expect to one day come here and visit the people I have met as a soldier, but as a civilian. If I can do that, it will have been worth it.

    For those of you who say all this struggle in Iraq is not worth American lives and money, well, what is? What is worth fighting for, the right to a big car, 500 satellite channels, the ability to sit in your own little world and let the rest be damned?

  • Shark

    SFC Ski“For those of you who say all this struggle in Iraq is not worth American lives and money, well, what is?”

    Protecting America and her interests.
    Protecting America from “immediate” and/or “imminent” threats from Weapons of Mass Destruction.
    Protecting our shores.
    Protecting our allies.

    Freeing an oppressed people from an evil leader?? Well, that one is VERY CONTROVERSIAL and DEBATABLE.

    And assuming the answer is “Yes”, where do we stop? What’s next? North Korea? China? Florida?

    Ski, granted, we have quite a different viewpoint than yours in the heart of Baghdad, but a lot of Americans [at home] feel we’re only in Iraq because we were sold a trumped up crock from this Administration. It’s now been proven that they had Iraq in their sights from Jan. 2000 on.

    Many of us MIGHT be willing to sacrifice American lives and treasury for the sole reason of ‘removing Hussein’— but you have to admit: That’s not how it was pitched to the public. It would be nice, as an American voter, citizen, and parent, to know that we’re making decisions about WAR based on the TRUTH of the matter.

    And frankly, this Administration’s attitude is: “You can’t handle the truth!”

    BTW, glad to hear from you, SFC Ski! Stay safe.

  • boomcrashbaby

    Good Gawd, you sound all beaten up into a froth here to come and kill all redneck males and children.. leaving the “peaches” for last, after you’ve tasted them up real good.

    This comment makes no sense to me. I’m not sure how saying that I can picture rednecks fighting back against oppressors is synonomous with me wanting to kill anybody. I was trying to picture in my own mind how America would handle the situation if we found ourselves in exactly the same position where Iraqis are today. But since we have never been in such a scenario, perhaps all other viewpoints are correct – Americans are morally superior to everybody else and all Iraqis are nothing more than beasts who need to be saved from their kennels. (Now if I can only figure out why the rest of the world thinks we are a conceited vain nation, then maybe I’ll have something worth posting?)

    Exactly what part of the good ole U S of A does this kind of stupid shit come from?

    I was born and raised in the heart of redneck/bible belt country. I’d have to say my perspective of southern rural white men stems from having lived among them for 2/3rds of my life.

  • sheri

    It’s a twisted comparison.If you didn’t see it that way, I apologize.

    You are putting rednecks in the same position as the ones who commited these atrocites, by saying that in THIS country, if it were occupied,it would be the rednecks out with their guns doing the damage.

    I think that is dangerous thinking.

    BTW: A lot of rednecks white boys I grew up with, felt they had no choice but to take the hand offered to them by the army recruiter.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    A LOT of impoverished boys and girls from all over had to take the hand of the military recruiter.

    I used to hang out at Great Lakes (Naval training base) when I was in High School. I remember a lot of the boys there being from the South Side of Chicago, poor rual america, inner city, etc. There were some there to see the world, etc… but a lot of the ones I personally knew were there BECAUSE they didn’t have the money to go to college or because where they were from, there was nothing else to do and no money to get away.

  • boomcrashbaby

    It’s a twisted comparison.If you didn’t see it that way, I apologize.

    No need to apologize, I’m not offended. I do know it is a ‘stretch’ of a comparison but like I said, we have never been occupied so I can’t find a 100% accurate comparison.

    You are putting rednecks in the same position as the ones who commited these atrocites, by saying that in THIS country, if it were occupied,it would be the rednecks out with their guns doing the damage.

    I think that is dangerous thinking.

    I’m curious as to what you and others think would happen if America were occupied by a foreign power. How does everybody think America would react? The reason I didn’t include comments like I think the gang members of L.A. etc would be fighting back too, is because I have never been around an environment like that, I’ve only seen it on tv, so I was trying to limit my analogy to that with which I am familiar.

    BTW: A lot of rednecks white boys I grew up with, felt they had no choice but to take the hand offered to them by the army recruiter.

    This is true. Then of course there were plenty of us able-bodied, sharp-shooting, patriotic rednecks who would have loved to have helped defend this country but we don’t qualify for defending this country because we don’t sleep with women. So we just stayed home and got beat up repeatedly by other non-atrocity-capable rednecks.

  • sheri

    Then maybe it’s not a good idea to see the world thru geographical lens.

    My brother married a girl from CHicago, born and raised, and 3 of her 4 children were born and raised in Georgia.Her, and others like her have made it a melting pot of all kinds of people here.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    No, but seeing the world with a cultural lens is important. If people truly understood Islam and Arab culture and its history, then they would understand that invasions and bombs aren’t going to work.

    They get virgins and feasts! We Americans aren’t all too sure what we get when we die, though some of us thing we go to heaven, hell, etc… American culture does not lend itself to this kind of fanaticism (mabyt over Orlando Bloom as in the Pirates of the Carb. post). When Americans see this stuff going on, then within our own structure, we deal with it.

  • boomcrashbaby

    When Americans see this stuff going on, then within our own structure, we deal with it.

    What does that mean? We vote them out of their occupying position?

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    People Riot.
    Vigilantes

    Someone gets involved. Hell, I’ve had my head slammed into the pavement before by guy who I jumped on because he was hitting “his chick” in the parking lot. At that point, a bunch of other guys beat the hell out of him and the cops came (I’m not sure they weren’t rougher than normal with him as well). Most people here don’t stare blindly… they get involved or get on thier cell phones.

  • boomcrashbaby

    Alright. I guess I’ll have to remain the only one who sees the silliness of comments like “Americans are not capable of atrocities” ONE THREAD OVER from comments that millions of Americans felt right after 9/11. “Oh, just nuke em and the camel they rode in on”.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    Where I don’t agree with nuking them (I think they should be allowed to nuke themselves).

    Nuking is not the same as taking a body, buring it, then dragging it though the street, stomping on it, then hanging it from a bridge.

  • boomcrashbaby

    No, it’s not. That is agreed. Nuking is incinerating millions, with millions more suffering radiation fallout for generations to come. You are correct. And I guess it is much more humane.

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Are you suggesting that the monsters in Fallujah are more “humane” than Harry S. Truman?

  • boomcrashbaby

    Are you suggesting that the monsters in Fallujah are more “humane” than Harry S. Truman?

    No. It wasn’t a reference to nukes done in the past, but was a reference to ‘nuke em and the camel they rode in on’ attitude which many Americans had after 9/11 and after any gruesome attack on our troops over there currently.

    I do not want to defend murderers, especially horrific ones. I don’t want a single one of our troops to die. I don’t support what Iraqis are doing over there and I think cheering such behavior is disgusting and subhuman.

    I was trying, with flawed analogies because no exact analogies exist (we have never been occupied), to put myself in the minds of the Iraqi people, as best as I could, (not being from their culture), to understand why they hate us so much. And even more importantly, I was trying to counter the arguments from people here (that I agree with and disagree with on other things), that Americans are morally superior and righteous and incapable of doing horrific things in the face of oppression. But it is a failed attempt. I give up. I truly believe now that one cannot convince the average American that they are not the most morally superior and righteous beings on the planet. Sounds like I hate this country now. Well, I don’t. But I hate this righteousness and ‘we are better than everybody else’ attitude because I truly believe it is a large reason in why the rest of the world hates us. The most response I could get from anybody was that we would riot. Assuming that the rioting would not be of our own houses and businesses (there would be that of course) but that we would riot against the oppressors. I suppose we would do so civilly and perhaps fight them back with lethal injections, instead of whatever we had on hand (shovels, tools, etc.) I give up, I can’t make my point. We are too godly.

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    First of all, we are never going to be occupied. This, thanks to our strong defense (and two oceans, and two weak neighbors).

    If we were occupied, I suspect there would be harsh resistance. But I cannot imagine scores of Americans dancing around the burnt remains of civilians. This includes “rednecks.”

    We are morally superior to the scum in Fallujah.

    Be proud, not apologetic.

  • boomcrashbaby

    We are morally superior to the scum in Fallujah.

    Be proud, not apologetic.

    of course we are better than killers. I was trying to put myself in the mind of the community. Those who might not dance with death, but who allow American reporters into their homes so they can tell them they are still happy about what happened. That mentality covers far more people than Fallujah.
    It’s the Islamic hatred I was trying to understand, not the rationale of a killer. But I guess how can I understand that Islamic hatred of the Western world when I am so superior than that?

  • sheri

    I have lived in Georgia all my life, but have never associated myself in any way with the KKK. Since this post, I am now studying the history of the Invisible Empire of the Ku Klux Klan.

    It’s hard to distinguish sometimes between propaganda and the truth, but what I’ve read so far has sources. The KKK was formed out of a need to bring order out of chaos post-civil war.There is a documented case of a white klan member( I’m reading there were actually black klan members) who was executed for killing an innocent black man.

    Whatever the KKK was, it turned out to be a true evil, and growing up we (my family) were taught to shun it and see it as true evil. Even though I at one time lived in the same town as Daniel Carver, Grand Dragon.

  • Debbie

    Here is a letter to the editor:

    A soldier assures us: Our progress is amazing
    By JOE ROCHE

    I’m a soldier with the U.S. Army serving in the 16th Combat Engineer Battalion in Baghdad.

    The news you are hearing stateside is awfully depressing and negative. The reality is we are accomplishing a tremendous amount here, and the Iraqi people are not only benefiting greatly, but are enthusiastically supportive.

    My job is mostly to be the driver of my platoon’s lead Humvee. I see the missions our Army is performing, and I interact closely with the Iraqi people. Because of this, I know how successful and important our work is.

    My battalion carries out dozens of missions all over the city — missions that are improving people’s lives. We have restored schools and universities, hospitals, power plants and water systems. We have engineered new infrastructure projects and much more. We have also brought security and order to many of Baghdad’s worst areas — areas once afflicted with chaos and brutality.

    Our efforts to train vast numbers of Iraqis to police and secure the city’s basic law and order are bearing fruit.

    Our mission is vital. We are transforming a once very sick society into a hopeful place. Dozens of newspapers and the concepts of freedom of religious worship and expression are flowering. So, too, are educational improvements.

    This is the work of the U.S. military. Our progress is amazing. Many people who knew only repression and terror now have hope in their heart and prosperity in their grasp. Every day the Iraqi people stream into the streets to cheer and wave at us as we drive by. When I’m on a foot patrol, walking among a crowd, countless people thank us — repeatedly.

    I realize the shocking image of a dead soldier or a burning car is more salable than boring, detailed accounts of our rebuilding efforts. This is why you hear bad news and may be receiving an incorrect picture.

    Baghdad has more than 5 million inhabitants. If these people were in an uprising against the United States, which you might think is happening, we would be overwhelmed in hours. There are weapons everywhere, and though we are working hard to gather them all, we simply can’t.

    Our Army is carrying out 1,700 convoys and patrols each day. Only a tiny percentage actually encounter hostile action. My unit covers some of the worst and most intense areas, and I have seen some of the most tragic attacks and hostility, such as the bombing of the United Nations headquarters.

    I’m not out of touch with the negative side of things. In fact, I think my unit has it harder than many other Army units in this whole operation. That said, despite some attacks, the overall picture is one of extreme success and much thanks.

    The various terrorist enemies we are facing in Iraq are really aiming at you back in the United States. This is a test of will for our country. We soldiers of yours are doing great and scoring victories in confronting the evil terrorists.

    The reality is one of an ever-increasing defeat of the enemies we face. Our enemies are therefore more desperate. They are striking out more viciously and indiscriminately. I realize this is causing Americans stress, and I assure you it causes us stress, too.

    When I was a civilian, I spent time as a volunteer with the Israeli army. I assure you we are not facing the hostility Israelis face. Here in Iraq, we Americans are welcomed by most Iraqis.

    I’m not trying to sound like a big tough guy. I’m scared every day, and pray before every mission for our safety and success. This is a combat zone. We are in the heart of the world’s leading terrorist-birthing society. I remember well how families of suicide bombers who attacked in Israel received tens of thousands of dollars from Saddam Hussein for their kin’s horrendous crimes. A generation of Iraqis was growing up in a Stalinist worship of such terrorism.

    They are no longer.

    Instead, Iraqis today are embracing freedom and the birth of democracy. With this comes hope for the future.

    Yes, there are terrorists who wish to strike these things down, but this is a test of will we must win. We can do this, as long as Americans at home keep faith with the soldiers in this war. We are Americans, after all. We can and must win this test. That is all it is.

    source: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/2487509

    boomcrashbaby,

    It’s not all Iraqi’s that hate the US, it’s some of the people in the Baathist stong hold sunni triangle.

    This type of behavior obtained the results they wanted in Samolia and they are trying it again here.

  • Shark

    (Shark picturing the kids in the above photos sitting in the new American built-and-financed schools.)

    (Shark throwing up.)

  • boomcrashbaby

    boomcrashbaby,

    It’s not all Iraqi’s that hate the US, it’s some of the people in the Baathist stong hold sunni triangle.

    It is those extremists who take action. But it is the perception of millions over there, if not billions in that hemisphere that we are vain, arrogant, presumptuous, immoral and despicable.

  • sheri

    I kind of agree with boomcrashbaby. But don’t forget we had a ‘little’ war over here,an invasion of the southern states, that ended up freeing slaves. Should the Union have just left the COnfederate states alone? Who was the self righteous, moral right ones in that war?

    It was the right thing to do.

    I was against the invasion of Iraq, but we are there now, so we have to finish what was started.

  • boomcrashbaby

    No Sheri, the Union should not have just left the Confederate states alone. And I also believe we should not have left Iraq alone. We needed to remove Saddam from power. It is how we did it that was all screwed up. And I agree with finishing the job. If we left now, they would be completely convinced that Americans are spineless.

    You ask me who are the self righteous, moral ones in the civil war? That is what war comes down to, doesn’t it? Always and forever. Moral, righteous beings against immoral ones. Whatever helps us sleep better at night, I guess.

  • Sandra Smallson

    Ms Tek: You have this HUGE BONER for CLINTON

    Sandra: LOL..LOL..ROTFLMAO..and he is not the only one parading Blog with a boner. This guy, name witheld, is around and has had a perpetual boner for a “certain type of a certain gender” Beat the meat already, for crying out loud. Spare us the horrendous site of little willy wonkas…

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    *grins*

    Perhaps, but that would make them “little willy wankers” instead. Not that they may not already be…

  • sheri

    I heard on tv about a study that was done, and it showed that people assume right away that they are at least 10% more moral than anyone else.

    The majority of the study was done on yankess,on account that most rednecks become righteous only when you mess with their family members, or their beer,and they jus’ didn’t want to go explaning it to ‘em,,,,just kidding :0)

  • boomcrashbaby

    Well, BHW, your comment on another thread, about the religious fanatics not being concerned with my soul, but fixated on my ‘peeper’ has just been verified.

    Here I am blogging for equality and for fair treatment for my family, and religious fanatics think it is nothing more than a fixation with a penis and that they are being exposed to horrendous sites of male genitalia here on blogcritics.

  • brian

    the root cause of the violence in falluja was an attack on iraqi civilians by us marines:

    ‘The most recent incident, in which four mercenaries from Blackwater Security, a company formed by ex-Navy Seals (Blackwater people are performing many of the same functions as soldiers in Iraq and do get involved in combat), did not arise in a vacuum. In fact, just the week before, U.S. Marines had mounted heavy raids on Fallujah, killing at least seven civilians, including a cameraman. Residents spoke of this as the reason for the attack on the Blackwater people and the gruesome spectacle that followed.’
    etc
    http://www.empirenotes.org/gatesofhell.html