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Kim Strassel’s excellent column today effectively makes the case that both Santorum and Romney are playing (to lose) Obama’s class warfare game. One peripheral phrase leapt out at me, and spurred me to write this. Strassel says:

Team Obama may be abandoning [White working-class Americans] altogether, instead looking for 2012 victory in a progressive coalition of educated, socially liberal voters, combined with poorer ethnic voters, in particular Hispanics

Hold on.”Educated” socially liberal voters? This theme of educated people typically tilting leftwards is one that needs dispelling. Are we talking about indoctrinated when we use the term educated?

Churchill’s old saw was that you’d be heartless if you weren’t a [modern day] liberal when young, brainless if you weren’t a conservative when old. That progressive liberalism is favored by artists, college kids and the ill informed, while conservatives tend to be older, tax paying, more world-wise if less up to date on the latest trends, all detract from the notion of the “educated liberal.” But it’s progressive liberalism’s policies and actions that really demonstrate how false this premise is.

Fact is, anyone who is truly educated in the goings-on of the world, anyone who has any knowledge about the way people and organizations work, knows full well that progressive liberalism or statism, cannot work. In fact, at least from this American’s view, the entire concept behind leftism, collectivism, Marxism, et al, is one that doesn’t stand the test of even the most basic logic and has been disproven countless times in history, right on up to present day.

While it’s now fashionable to be one of the 99 percent, people used to understand that communism is a great idea on paper, but when implemented, it leaves something to be desired. Perhaps it was more evident when we had the example of the Soviet Union staring us in the face. Yet a few decades later we have folks protesting capitalism in the streets. American leftism may not be the communism of the U.S.S.R, but it clearly takes us in that direction. If adherents of statism in America can’t internalize the hard-earned lessons of a mere 30 years ago, or even the lessons being learned in Europe right now, then how can they possibly claim to be educated?

And of course the majority of progressive-liberal policies simply haven’t worked. The idea that handouts help the poor, very popular with the Obama administration, despite a half century-long war on poverty that’s yielded no results. Or the concept that public schools just need more money, despite some of the most well funded, and worst performing schools, right in the very bastions of liberalism.

Conservatism in D.C. and our southern states isn’t the cause of the extreme poverty, terribly performing public schools, or budgetary and fiscal woes found in the heart of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Detroit. Not to say there isn’t poverty in Republican states, but if liberal policies worked, then poverty would only exist in red states, meanwhile blue states wouldn’t be facing the financial and educational issues now confronting them either. Would the educated statists have us believe that somehow George Bush is to blame for the lifestyle or quality of public school education for residents in New York or Los Angeles’ worst neighborhoods, despite decades-long liberal Democrat control (Anthony Wiener and Charlie Rangel to wit)?

The truly educated rely on facts and logic, and I believe most tenets of conservatism are likewise based on facts and logic. However, often progressive-liberal positions are plainly based on deceit.

The notion that the rich don’t pay their fair share is commonly touted by the liberal left as if the science is settled. Yet the fact is that nearly half of America’s working populace pay no federal income taxes at all; and it’s not the rich half. Yes, lower income Americans may pay other taxes; so too, do the rich, along with punitive federal, capital gains and estate taxes as well. On top of this, the very term rich, and millionaires and billionaires, refers to people making $250k or more a year (less if they are single). All of this is so out rightly deceitful, and yet despite the fact that the richest 1 percent of Americans pays nearly 40 percent of federal income taxes collected (a share that’s grown considerably over recent decades), teenagers squatting in the parks are screaming that rich people pay less taxes than the secretaries they employ.

About The Obnoxious American

  • Jordan Richardson

    The weird thing is that you don’t get to tell me when or where to “appear,” pal. Get over yourself.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Was I crying over two hundred buck, zing, or just said I’d be happy if I had it.

    So what was it now? Your lack of reading apprehension skills?

    I don’t think so. You willfully misrepresented what I said out of nothing but pure meanness, just because it suited your whatever purpose.

    Stay true to whatever is your true self, zing. I couldn’t possibly do any more damage to you than you’re doing it yourself.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Didn’t tell you jack shit, pal, where to go and where not to. Only made an observation as to your recent absence.

    Not to say, Jordan, that absence makes the heart grow fonder. We’re not there yet.

    In time, perhaps. Don’t you wish?

  • zingzing

    oh, roger… control yourself.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Did I say something out of hand?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    And, btw, you haven’t responded to my outright accusation of willful misrepresentation on your part, as per #52. Are you is or are you ain’t?

    Going by your rather lame attempt at diversion, “control yourself,” I reckon you ain’t.

    True to form, zingo, always true true to form. That’s what I love ’bout you, always so predictable.

  • zingzing

    would “moaning” be a better word? “lusting?”

    maybe i chose to read it one way for effect, which, as i have it from a philosophical authority, is a move worthy of plato.

    ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

    xoxo

    (you quit being a bitch and i will as well. your accusation against glenn, and your rather silly protestation of ignorance about his line of work, was out of line. if you’d like to pretend you’re above the insults of others, stop insulting them back–you couldn’t stop yourself from having a comeback on jordan, el b and i–and your “two stooges” comment was timed horribly.)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Glenn, you started this whole shebang and all your friends have came out of the woodwork, Canada, Africa, even the la-la land, to bail you out — just because I dared challenge a plank in the liberal dogma. That’s the only conclusion I can draw unless you’re all real buddies — chummy chummy, touchy touchy, feely feely, the sex bit and all that. But I don’t think so because of the physical distance, unless of course your correspond by email and exchange dirty pictures. So yes, it’s got to be that darn liberal ideology that binds you all so close. I really wish I could rediscover a bond so strong to unite me forever with my fellowmen, and women too. Got to tell me that secret, zing and Jordan, the two rascals you two.

    Anyway, Glenn, since you started this whole affair and have done your best to endear me to my natural-born enemies (someday perhaps friends), do you care to add a word to two?

    I’ll listen for an hour or two because I feel unusually jovial this very moment. Jordan and zing have put me in the very right mood, they’ve always had the knack.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I ain’t a bitch, zing, I don’t know how to be a bitch, zing. I’m neither a gay, zing, nor a woman. If there’s something you can teach me about being a bitch, teach me. I’m always willing to learn.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    And no, bitch, I can confidently say that now since you’re not all that uncomfortable with it, “moaning” is not was I was doing — unless of course you were trying to recreate one of your bedroom scenes with me on the receiving end.

    No, thank you. I’ve had my share of experiences that’d last me a lifetime. I’m over it now. Truth is where I get off. Truth and nothing but the truth is the only thing that makes mo cum.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    mo cum — that’s a good one! Like a mojo and moblow.

  • zingzing

    you know what i mean, roger. you can pretend you don’t, but you do. since i labeled myself with the same term, it’s hard to take such offense, unless you’re calling me a homosexual woman for some reason… in which case, i will teach you about being a homosexual woman, if that’s what you desire, you sexy beast.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Come on, bitch, talk to me.

    Now’s the time.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I’ve been there, zing. Know about the dimensions of human sexuality. But seriously, I’m trying to repair a relationship if at all possible.

    Do you really think I was attacking Glenn or the idea?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    BTW, never told you. You were always Johnny on the spot, just as I ever was. Talking ’bout the internet, of course. I’ve never told you that, but I always appreciated your ability to think on your feet, if you know what I mean, rather than having to retreat and regroup in order to compose an answer. It’s as sure a sign of an active and searching mind as any, and the only reason I haven’t complimented you on it before is, as you can can, we were (thus far) natural-born adversaries. Cindy was like that too, and I sure as hell miss her.

    What is the sense, I ask, in posting a comment if you have to wait a day or two for a response? I don’t know if you know anything about chess, my favorite game, but that would be like playing a speed, say, a two-minute game, while your opponent plays postal.

  • zingzing

    what do YOU think you were attacking?

    and what do you think it came off as when you said “Don’t talk to me about dedication and pay [...] You don’t know jack shit about it, you never have and you never will”?

    that was some personal shit, and it was ignorant, if that’s the word for it. i actually don’t think you were ignorant. i think you said it for another reason.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    … as you can readily surmise …

    of course, of course, but I needn’t really correct my ellipticals, for the clarity of my thought and expression makes any such exercise redundant.

    Ha ha!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, zing, Glenn’s connecting the idea of teaching, or being an artist, with pay, did indeed strike me as rather ignorant. Of course I did not know about Glenn’s personal circumstances, about having foster kids or any of that. But even if I have been aware of those circumstances, his statement still would have struck me as odd and untrue.

    Think of Virginia Woolf. Her only desire was to have a room of her own.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    See, zing, perhaps here lies the difference between you and I. You do know I get along very well with Cindy, not because I’ve met her in person (though we did in fact talk on the phone), but because I appreciate her ideas, her energy, her spunk, whether or not she’s wrong. But this is where the similarity ends. If I think she’s wrong, I’ll be the first to tell her, and you know the risks this entails, Cindy being Cindy, of course. In all honestly, I don’t think I would be Cindy’s friend if I wouldn’t tell her whenever I think she’s wrong or has misjudged a situation or two. That’s what true friendship means to me, speaking the truth, whatever the consequences.

    Well, I’m not accusing anyone of anything now, let’s make this clear, but it surely would be refreshing to see some of you guys being at odds at times, of only for the hell of it, if only for show.

    Please surprise me!

  • zingzing

    “Think of Virginia Woolf. Her only desire was to have a room of her own.”

    no it wasn’t. that’s the title, yes… but her desires went far beyond that. she wanted free access to education for women, something you more or less maybe somewhat* belittled earlier on this thread. she wanted what amounted to revolutionary change, not four walls and a door.

    “it surely would be refreshing to see some of you guys being at odds at times”

    i’m sure we have been, particularly el b and me. jordan and i get along relatively peacefully, it seems. maybe i’m a canadian at heart, i dunno.

    *i realize you weren’t belittling education, or at least i realize you probably shouldn’t, but you did plop in line with the anti-intellectuals on it up there. higher education is belittled by some of the conservatives in this country, and, even if it does lead someone towards the left, i don’t think that should deter anyone, right or left, from seeking an education. it may be that universities are more leftist than the rest of the country, but if that’s what education leads you to, so what? education does not equal intelligence, that’s for sure, but i’d hope you aren’t against it.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Anyway, zing, gonna go back to watching my movies on Hulu Plus. If you haven’t tried it yet, you don’t know what you’re missing. You can try a free subscription for a week, what have you got to lose?

    Hope to continue this conversation tomorrow, on an even keel.

  • zingzing

    dude. hulu is not the place to go, plus you have to pay for it. don’t want to give anything away, but there’s this one channel (numeral no space channel dot ch) that lets you watch whatever you want. putlocker is my favorite provider, but there are more. anything. it’s almost perfect.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Did you really think I was against education? Seriously?

    And I don’t think we should bicker about true desires of Virginia, bless her heart, whether met or unmet. But a “room of her own” was definitely only of them; and I can surely identify with this as an author and a writer. To many people, it’s all they ever had. And frankly, that’s all I need, with a view or without.

    But anyway, I don’t want to end this session in disagreement. Talk to you tomorrow.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I don’t mind paying $7.95 a month. Fair pay for fair service, never had a problem with that.

    Good night, my man.

  • zingzing

    “Did you really think I was against education? Seriously?”

    i made it clear i didn’t think so.

    “And I don’t think we should bicker about true desires of Virginia, bless her heart, whether met or unmet.”

    they were met.

    “I don’t mind paying $7.95 a month”

    foooooooool.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    The American in me, surprised?

    Can’t help it.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Help me think of drama, zing, modern-day political drama. It’s got to be political not only because that’s what I care about but also, because it affects all of us. Not the Tennessee Williams or Eugene O’Neil kind, but political drama after the fashion of Aeschylus or Shakespeare. Is our age capable of this kind of pathos, the kind of political speech that’s been crafted by Thucydides. Does Pinter come close? Can we do better?

    If you point the way, zing, I’ll be forever grateful, because a play is what I must write, but it has to be a political play. And I promise. I’ll be forever out of your (pubic?) hair.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Anyways, I’m off for tonight. Come back tomorrow, you hear?

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Roger –

    Well, zing, Glenn’s connecting the idea of teaching, or being an artist, with pay, did indeed strike me as rather ignorant. Of course I did not know about Glenn’s personal circumstances, about having foster kids or any of that. But even if I have been aware of those circumstances, his statement still would have struck me as odd and untrue.

    1 – I never mentioned artists at all! WHERE did that come from? Lay off the sauce, willya?

    2 – You really must think teachers are stupid. The hardest positions to fill in school anymore are those of math and science teachers. Why? Because they can take a position as a teacher, or they can take a position in the private sector (or other government sectors) making three and four times as much. Hmmm, let me see here – $2K/month to be a teacher, or $8K/month to be a computer programmer…gee, what to do, what to do?

    Do you REALLY think someone with children would choose a career where they would have to struggle to make ends meet when they could make so much more elsewhere? Do you really?

    What are you smoking, Roger? I don’t know where you got your idea that teachers will teach even if they’re paid peanuts or less, but teachers are NOT BENEDICTINE MONKS. Teachers are NOT BUDDHIST MONKS. Teachers do NOT LIVE BY OATHS OF POVERTY.

    Many, many people would love to be teachers…as would I. The time I loved most in my Naval career was that of teaching the troops, and that’s why there’s a “Troops to Teachers” program for retired farts like me can go teach if we’ve a degree. And it’s a popular program – why? Because if you talk to retired military people, generally speaking the thing we miss most about military service is guiding all the younger people (and YES, we often do so in classroom settings). In other words, WE MISS TEACHING. It’s the very same thing. You’ll probably disagree with a profanity-laced rant…but nearly every retired military guy will tell you the same thing.

    I don’t know where you got your idea that teachers are somehow preprogrammed to teach regardless of how little they get paid…but they’re not. They’re NOT MONKS. Like most of the rest of society, the great majority really want to do a good job…but they want to get paid well for the service they provide!

    And you have YET to provide a reply showing why it is that you think that FORTY PERCENT of the teachers in Texas feel the need to moonlight since YOU think that if they’re really teachers, they’ll teach no matter how little they’re paid!

    Again, Roger, lay off the sauce, and stop spewing hatred and insults at those who didn’t insult you. It only makes you look bad.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Roger –

    I think it’s time for me to stop arguing with you about teachers and economy and so on and so forth. Let’s get to the real issue.

    Right now you’re very bitter and angry and you’re lashing out. It shows in your writing. Don’t tell me it doesn’t – it’s painfully obvious (you’ve let on more than you think over the years on BC) and if I were a betting man I’d lay odds it’s because of the change from the life you once had out west to the life you have now. Yes, it sucks. You’ve known a much better lifestyle and you’re trying your level best to find happiness with much less and in a significantly different class of people, most of whom don’t have anything close to your level of education and knowledge. And you’re understandably angry about the unfairness of it all.

    Again, it’s understandable…and because of that it’s incumbent upon me to not judge you for your anger.

    Anyway, it just occurred to me that maybe it’s a good thing if you let it out here in the digital world, as long as you don’t take your bitterness and anger out on people in the physical world. That, and IIRC you’re degreed, and because of that you can certainly teach. Go teach overseas in a third-world nation, and perhaps you’ll find the same kind of happiness that I found – not so much in the way of a significant other (though that’s always a good possibility), but in the daily lives of the people, interacting with them, helping them, and seeing the gratitude in their eyes.

    Another real possibility is the Peace Corps. A nurse that works with us here told us about her daughter who’s off to Botswana…and her daughter told her how one of her fellow Peace Corps volunteers was 83 years old. So it’s not too late – you can still do it, Roger.

    There’s happiness to be found in this world, Roger – and America is not the happiest place. Do something completely different – go where people will be truly grateful for you…and soon you’ll find that you’re grateful for them, too.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Stop being on the defensive, Glenn, just because I or anyone finds a hole in your argument. Yes, to me teaching is a vocation, and I’m being in earnest. Nobody’s saying teachers should be starving, but there is also something which is called the labor of love (and that’s the connection between true teachers and artists), and your argument “you get what you pay for” fails to take that into consideration; that was the full extent of my point, nothing else.

    And no, I do not need your advice, nor have I asked for it, as regards my personal life. So don’t presume that you know me well enough to be giving it, especially when it comes unsolicited.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    You still don’t grok that while teachers love to teach, they love to provide for their own children even more…and it is a critical error on your part to think that they would put their vocation above the well-being of their own families.

    And when it comes to unsolicited advice, how many times have you passed judgment on me, or given unsolicited advice? MANY times. So you don’t have a whole lot of room to talk. I’ve always been of the opinion that buddies tell a man what wants to hear, but friends tell a man what he needs to hear. THAT, Roger, is why I sincerely say ‘thank you’ to someone who sincerely tries to give helpful advice…

    …because helpful advice is still helpful advice, regardless of how much you may despise the one who gives it. That’s a good tool to keep in your psychological toolbox, Roger, if you’ve the courage to use it.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Whatever, Glenn. I’m quickly approaching the point Irene has already reached, and that is not to pay you any heed. And I’d never consider you my friend, whether here or in real life, so save your sermons for somebody else.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    That’s up to you. You can lead a horse to water….