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Digging into the House Season Finale: A Conversation with Writers Peter Blake and Kath Lingenfelter

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The House, M.D. season finale “Moving On” is without a doubt the most controversial episodes in the series history. Some fans hated it, and others not. To take a character like House (Hugh Laurie), who really skates on the edge of likability and have him crash into the home of ex-girlfriend Cuddy (Lisa Edelstein) may have been a long step too far over that edge for some fans. Other fans hate what House (the character) has done, even while understanding what drove him (as it were) to that brink, but are more than curious about how the series writers will redeem his character next season. Others still have felt that the way Season 7 ended was completely in keeping with both the character and the series and quite like where the end of the episode found him—on a beach sipping a cocktail. I’ll have more on that and my own thoughts on the episode later this weekend.

The writers are just now coming back to the studio after a brief hiatus to begin sketching out Season 8, which many believe might be the final season for the series. Russel Friend and Garrett Lerner told me last week that determining whether next season will be the last will be among the first things discussed as the creative team now gets back to work. But also high on that list, and perhaps even more important for the first part of the season, is where to take the character of House from where we last see him at the end of the season finale. Have they painted themselves into a corner, or does the Season 7 finale open new avenues to explore?

This year’s finale was written by Co-Executive Producer/Writer Peter Blake and Writer/Producer Kath Lingenfelter. Blake has been with House, M.D. since the very beginning. His first script “Maternity” (1×04) still stands as one of the series best, presenting a classic Housian ethical dilemma into the hands of the man whose ethics are often questioned. Lingenfelter is new to the House creative team, joining the show only this season. Her episode “You Must Remember This,” proved to a great entry in what has turned out to be a very controversial season. I caught up with the two writers earlier this week to talk about “Moving On,” Season 7 and where Season 8 might be headed.

Where did the idea for the “Moving On” come from?

Blake: We knew that the season had to end with House getting to a different place. We also knew that [House and Cuddy] were going to break up in the middle of the season, and then we knew that the rest of the season was going to be dealing with the after effects of the breakup. So we went back and forth a number of times about in our plotting out of the entire season, where it would end up. At one point, [House’s] car crash was going to be episode 19. Then we were going to show the fallout of that for the next few episodes. I shouldn’t talk about what that fallout was going to be because we might use some of it next year; we’re just not sure yet. But I think the network, the studio, and the writers decided that it would be better to go out on a bang. So it got moved up to the last episode about a couple months before we started filming it.

There are obviously some parallels between House and his patient, and he’s really affected by her. Do you want to talk about that? I know that the writers are always drawing parallels between House and his patients, but this one really seemed to get to him.

Lingenfelter: At the beginning of last season, I pitched [a story] about a performance artist who revels in her treatment rather than suffering through it, preferring to experience the pain publicly—to share it with other people. That pitch kind of fell by the wayside, but a little while later Blake resurrected it with a new spin. We thought that it was just going to be a good way to look at where House is now with his pain—and with the personal walls he continues to put up.

Blake: Obviously [House and the patient, played by Shoreh Aghdashloo] are extremely good at their jobs; they both have a lot of pain in their lives. We had a line or two about how she had witnessed her mother’s death. I think that survival thing took over [for her]. She uses her job to deal with the pain, which she shares with House; he does the same thing. But her obsession with work and the walls [she constructs] between her and other people is to keep out emotional pain, just like House has done.

I think even if the writers have something in their minds, what ends up on the screen might be open to interpretation. But I think what seems very clear is that House, after five episodes of feeling really badly about the breakup—and not just the breakup but also his unhappiness with his life, and his loneliness… For five episodes he’s dealt with it in sort of childish and self-destructive ways. First childish, the way he acts (in “Fall from Grace”) jumping into that monster truck and into the fake marriage. Then he gets more self-destructive in the form of taking more and more Vicodin, and finally, and especially the incredibly dangerous, stupid maneuver to fix his leg, which ends up being something that could of killed him (“After Hours”). So he went from dealing with his pain in a childish way to dealing with the pain in a very destructive way. At the end of “After Hours,” he realizes he’s got to make a change, and he sort of says as much to Wilson—or at least acknowledges as much to Wilson. That’s where this episode begins, with House realizing he is going to make a change. It’s not going to be easy, but he is going to stop being self-destructive. He realizes that he’s got to stop being so sort of passive-aggressive with Cuddy and just get over. He just decides he’s just going to use his power of mind to try to get over this breakup.

Lingenfelter:    So yes, he’s going to rely on his mind to get on top of it. And he finds kindred spirit in Afsoun who devoted to her work above all else and has found a lot of satisfaction in it. So and then, of course, ultimately feels betrayed by her [when she decides living her life and loving is more important than her work].

Where is House coming from here?

Blake:  This episode is it’s an incredibly stressful episode for House because he’s trying to be friends with Cuddy and be professional with her. And what she’s saying is: “That’s not enough’ we have to actually get to a deeper place; you need to express your feelings, you need to express your anger.” And he’s denying that he needs to do so. And then when House and Cuddy have that scene in the hallway together, they have a bit of a breakthrough. They’ve never even had a fight really about their breakup to this point. He finally admits to her that he was hurt, and it really is a breakthrough. So, at this point in the story, House is on the verge of getting better and being healthy and doing the right thing, he forgives her [for hurting him]. But he still hasn’t really processed his anger. He’s just sort of forgiven her. And then, and then things started to fall apart. And in his patient Afsoun, he sees himself. He thinks maybe, “my life sucks and I think that I can throw myself into work and everything will be okay.”  But when he sees Afsoun [eventually] saying the exact opposite—that work isn’t enough, that your personal relationships are enough, it just underlines House’s life for him. He just feels betrayed by her because she had given him hope to believe that he could have handled his loneliness. But then he realizes, “No, I can’t.” So it makes him feel even worse about the way his life is going. And that, of course, then leads him into the car crash.

So that car crash. It was a very controversial ending to the episode; it was an amazingly risky thing to do.

Blake:  Yes.

And I’m going to get back to that part of it in a second. But I want to understand the why—House’s motivation. Yes, he’s feeling betrayed by Cuddy, but beyond that. Is this a buildup of seven (or more years) of frustration over Wilson and Cuddy constantly trying to get him to change, trying to get him to be better, trying to psychoanalyze him? And, and it’s like wham, he explodes?

Blake: There’s no one simple, there’s no one simple answer. But, I mean, we can tell you some of the things that led up to it.

Lingenfelter:    Well, I think there’s always been kind of the background noise from the people in House’s life of, you’re doing it wrong, in terms of being a person, that there’s more for you, there’s more you need to do, you need to open up, you need to reach out, you need to connect. And these last few years of his sobriety I think were for House were real attempts for him to make changes. It really was an effort and really goes against the grain of his character and who he is. And I think there’s frustration in him of “why does it seem so easy for other people and not for me?” I think there some anger at himself for denying his true nature and trying to be something else, compromising himself.

Do you remember from the episode that House had kept Cuddy’s hairbrush? (Cuddy asked him to return it.) House knew exactly where it was. In my mind, and again, I have to reiterate what Peter said that we all bring something into the project and we all have our ideas, but House was holding onto that. That was that last vestige of Cuddy. And when he was willing to try and give it back to her, that was it for him. Intellectually and logically he had gotten to the place where, “I’m okay with it, I’m going to move on, I won’t be emotionally compromised anymore or tortured over this.” But I he gets up those steps with [her] hairbrush [to return it to her], he gets up to the steps and he sees her and the lightness that she has about her, and that it seems like she’s moved on, and it wounds him. And I think he’s furious with himself, among many other emotions, that he’s still emotionally compromised. He’s not able to completely turn that switch off. And I think part of, one aspect of his choice to drive into her house—although, I wouldn’t say it was a clear-cut, logical choice—but was to make it an impossibility for him to ever reconnect with Cuddy. He couldn’t turn that switch himself, and so he had to just, you know, destroy the whole thing. That’s one take.

Blake: Another part of it is  that I think he was angry because he felt like he had gotten to an honest point with Cuddy. He had asked her, “Are you dating anyone?” She had said, “No.” And then it seemed to him—although she wasn’t lying—it seemed to him that she had been lying to him about all of it because she seemed to be with this new guy having this romantic dinner with the family. So he felt hurt about that. But that was only part of it. This is a guy who never really processed his anger about the breakup. And everyone throughout this episode, especially Wilson and Cuddy were saying to him, “you’ve got to process, you’ve got to, let it out, say what you’re feeling. Stop drowning yourself with Vicodin. It is not going to work.” So he finally said, “You know what? Fuck it, I’ll do it.” And he lets out his anger. And then in a weird way he feels better. And that’s partially why we put him on a beach. Wilson tells the cop earlier, [that House is] going to be in a place that reflects his mood because he’s in his darkest hole. He’s going to be in some bar, you know, that’s the darkest hole in Princeton. And, nope, he’s in Fiji or something.

So is that final scene where he’s at the beach, is that real or is that in his mind?

PB:      That’s real. Well, I can say that right now. We’ve got a writers meeting next week, but let’s just assume the audience has no reason to think that it’s in his mind.

The episode’s ending got a very mixed reaction—all of it very strong. I have to admit it’s taking me a while to really completely wrap my brain around it. But in a way it makes sense for him to be at that point and to just say, “You know what? Screw this whole thing; I’m just going to do this.” But part of me doesn’t understand this House. In any event, I think it was like a really huge risk for the show to have House do something so destructive and potentially tragic. I mean, there are people in the house!

Blake: I totally see that. But when we were writing the script, we thought that what House was doing was crazy and destructive, but we did not think of it as homicidal at all. We believed that House sees everyone leaving that front room and going to the back room for coffee. So at least in our mind, House was not ever trying to drive into a room where anyone was there. In fact, you know, could House actually know he was going to drive into the house? I kind of doubt that.

Lingenfelter: It was really impulsive

Blake: I think he was just trying to be self-destructive, or maybe even destructive of her property actually, but neither of us thought he was being homicidal. I hope it’s clear, but it does worry me. It upsets me that some people on Twitter thought that he was trying to kill Cuddy or kill anyone. We really did not intend that. But we wanted him to come to a point where he’s in a serious, self-destructive time. And we’ve known that for a long time. But we certainly did not want him to appear a character that was homicidal or anything like that. Another way we thought that House was in no way being homicidal—although, he was being crazy and reckless and self-destructive—is when he’s driving up Cuddy’s lawn. If he had seen that anyone was in that room, he would have turned into another part of the house. And he did have a clear view as he was driving into it and he could see that no one was in it. But the question is could he turn in time? I think so. [It’s possible to believe that] House was not thinking of things very clearly at that moment. Or was he?

David Shore once said that, I mean, and it’s obvious you guys push House to the limits of likability, to the limits of, okay, we can forgive him for this because ultimately he’s trying to do the right thing. But are you aware of the level of negative reaction from parts of the online fan community that you’ve taken him a step or more over that limit?

Blake: It was obviously, a very traumatic episode for a lot of fans, and I sympathize with them. But “Moving On” was always going to be an episode where House really, even more than their breakup puts a wall up between [himself and Cuddy].

But the question in my mind is, how do you redeem him from this? He has crossed this line of doing something so destructive that if he shows his face in Princeton, he’s going to get arrested! How do you come back from that?

Blake: That’s what Season 8 is going to be about.

Lingenfelter: I think it’s a place to rebuild from, and so it gives us a lot of opportunity to look at the character. Is [this episode] a breakthrough for him? Or was this a reset, that he goes back to the way that he was more towards the beginning of the series?

Blake: It was obviously a self-destructive crazy act. But there was something in it. House was already being self-destructive and crazy. And doing what he did was both those things. But the most dangerous thing he’s done isn’t driving his car; it was his self-surgery, which almost kills him in the previous episode. In a way, there’s nowhere to go but up. So there’s some hope that maybe this will actually, this actually was the breakthrough that he needed, as ironic as that is.

Lingenfelter: For those in the audience that feel like House has to redeem himself, it reflects the same position for the other people in his life. And it’s certainly one direction for Season 8. We’re meeting next week to discuss it, but certainly a possible the direction: does House believe he has to redeem himself to the people that were in his life, and does he even try?

That could be very compelling to watch.  I have a question about Taub. All right. He’s a doctor. Doesn’t he know about condoms? Hasn’t he ever watched an After School SpecialTwo women pregnant in a week. That’s pretty impressive.

Blake:  Yeah.

Lingenfelter: I think that there are many ways that something like that can happen; not all birth control is 100% effective.

Blake:  I think the history of men shows that it’s a very possible, possible outcome.

Lingenfelter: Yeah, well at least she’s not living in his house. But, you know, Taub is juggling a lot of things, and not necessarily staying on top of things as well as he should.  So these things happen.

Yes, they do. And they happen to Taub.

Lingenfelter: Yeah, they happen to Taub, but he kind of asks for it.

Now that the House-Cuddy romance appears to be over, and with Lisa Edelstein leaving the series, what are your thoughts on their relationship?

Blake: I think all shows have a, have a lifespan, and we had to get them together at some point.

Lingenfelter: I also think that for the development of House as a character, it’s something he really had to try. He had to make a go of it. And I think that we all would have been incredibly frustrated if he had never taken that chance.

If he had never stressed himself to that point to see if he can be the type of person that participates in true happiness. And I think, you know, we all went into it with high hopes. The characters went into it with high hopes. As writers, we went into it with high hopes for them. You know, [David] Shore and the executive producers are very mindful about being honest about who House is and what he’s capable of. So I think it was an inevitability to put them together.

Did not knowing whether House would be back next season affect the season finale?

Blake: When we wrote this episode we assumed House was coming back. There was always a chance it wouldn’t, but it looked very likely.

How does Lisa Edelstein’s departure affect the series going forward? Think she might come back for an episode or two (or ten)?

Lingenfelter: And we were also completely surprised by Lisa’s departure. Because it just happened we now begin the process of digesting it and looking at how it affects the story going forward.

Blake: In terms of her coming back, let me just read you a quote from David Shore in an interview with Mike Ausiello. Ausiello asked, “Would you be interested in bringing her back in a guest?” And Shore said, “I would be, absolutely.” I mean, so that’s all that we know. As a viewer, I would love to see that too.

Lingenfelter: Yeah, me too.

They need closure. They really need closure.

Lingenfelter: Yeah.

Anything else you want to add before I let you go?

Lingenfelter: I just wanted to give kudos to Hugh Laurie for his driving skills. If you watched the crash, the part where he tried stopping, throws on the brake and does the 360 was actually Hugh driving.

That was really him?

Lingenfelter: Yeah. But then it was a stunt driver leading up to the house, something Hugh was desperate to do himself. Of course, we couldn’t let him. And also, just how amazing the production crew was on this particular episode because they actually rebuilt Cuddy’s house on a stage: the front of the house, and the dining room and the family room down to the last flower. So that car crash was actually shot in three pieces on two different days. And when I watched it, it seemed real.

Blake: Yeah, I was on set the day it was shooting. When I first watched the cut, I couldn’t believe how good that car crash was directed by Greg Yaitanes, and produced by everyone there.

And I think Greg did a great job with this episode. Also, Shohreh Aghdashloo who played Afsoun was really great and it was good to have her in the episode.

Lingenfelter: I’d also just like to give a shout-out to Shohreh because when she came in [to play the role], she had done all this reading and research of art. She came with a head full of ideas. She was super excited about the character and being a part of the show. And the last scene she shot was the MRI scene where House said, “You have CNS, primary CNS lymphoma,” and she admits that she does. She acts the entire scene with her head in this cage in the MRI. And when the scene finished and wrapped, the crew applauded. She teared up and cried because, I think that she was quite emotionally invested in the role. And I think that really comes across. So I just wanted to thank her for being as great as she was.

Blake: We would also like to say to the fans, thank you for watching, and keep watching. I really want them to keep watching, even those who haven’t been happy, even though they’re angry with us for this episode, to see how we deal with House next season. We would also like to tell the Huddy fans that we feel their pain. We really do.

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Barbara Barnett is publisher and executive editor of Blogcritics, as well as a noted entertainment writer. Author of Chasing Zebras: The Unofficial Guide to House, M.D., her primary beat is primetime television. But Barbara writes on an everything from film to politics to technology to all things pop culture and spirituality. She is a contributor to the book called Spiritual Pregnancy (Llewellyn Worldwide, January 2014) and has a story in Riverdale Ave Press' new anthology of zombie romance, Still Hungry for your Love. She is hard at work on what she hopes will be her first published novel.
  • Zaze

    “They need closure. They really need closure.”

    Why they didn’t put Cuddy under the wheels of House’s car? this could have been a good closure.
    Ah wait they didn’t know about Lisa’s departure.

  • vicpei

    “But the most dangerous thing he’s done isn’t driving his car; it was his self-surgery, which almost kills him in the previous episode.”
    I strongly, firmly disagree. The most dangerous thing he has done is drive in this house. I don’t care if the writers pretend he did not intend to harm anyone (although they add but did he?). That’s their take, not what we have seen. He can be self destructive as much as he wants. He doesn’t get free from being violent to each others. He has never been, despite what they say. He is now, because they twisted him.

  • Former Loyal Fan

    For what I care, David Shore owes us, viewers, an apology. With great power comes great responsibility, the convention he loves so much to defy. By refusing to admit the ultimate failure of this past season, he makes his own character irredeemable, let alone House’s. I can express my disgust in only way I can – by turning off my TV. Good bye, House MD.

  • n

    All I can say is “post hoc, ergo propter hoc.”

  • Leodie

    Do I or don’t I ?

    That is the question.

    Do i watch the finale ? I haven’t yet and nor have I read your (certainly wonderful as usual) review Barbara, to avoid being spoiled.

    I have stopped watching the show after Bombshells for all kinds of reasons i developped on this blog, the main one being that i didn’t feel it was healthy for me to be that affected in real life by what happened to a fictional character. Is it safe to watch this episode ? or if I do will i have to abandon all hope about mankind and go find a quiet place to finish it all ODing on vicodin ?

    Thanks for your help with this conundrum.

  • Zaze

    vicpei : the most dangerous thing for him not for anybody else, hey this show is about House! Collateral damages are just details.

  • Nancy

    Thank you Barbara. Yep, that sums it up pretty well. Nothing more to say. Good bye, House.

  • Simon

    God I’ve been waiting all day for this review

  • bens

    Good bye, House MD. Thanks for a few good years.

  • Oversimplified

    Thanks for the interview Barbara, it’s really interesting to hear what they have to say about the ep. I still can’t quite wrap my head around the whole thing. My problem is that the writers expected us to empathise with House here much more than many of us did I think. Yes Cuddy treated him badly, but to buy the contrivance of the whole set-up for the crash with her inviting the banker over for coffee etc means we have to sort of disregard everything she’s ever done for him, including the late night dash to the hospital only days earlier. No matter how hurt he is has he really forgotten what Cuddy AND Wilson have sacrificef for him? (In fact for much of the season it seems that the characters had selective amnesia about who they were, and who they were having a romantic/platonic relationship with)….

    I get that the act of driving the car into Cuddy’s house was impulsive, (even if I’m not buying the whole he was aiming for the house thing, which quite frankly is ridiculous), but the sense of serenity that emanates from him in that final beach scene is deeply disturbing because he’s had several hours to process what he’s done and still his conscience isn’t pricking him. In that particular scene House feels alien to me, or perhaps more likely, OoC. I do get the impression that although they knew they were taking a risk they never expected to lose so many of the fans, which in itself is a little worrying.

  • maria-eleni

    Well, good riddance.

    Why on earth did you watch House if you cannot take the tragedy of House’s life? This is just a culmination of a genius’s downward spiral.

    A recommendation: do not ever watch Amadeus, it is about Mozart, a genius who self destructed.

  • Jen

    Good bye, House.

  • karen

    Good bye House MD.

  • @yahnis14

    So why they didn’t stop on scene in hallway? It was beautiful scene and from there they could moving on without turn House to almost killer? What about little girl that House couldn’t be sure that she isn’t home?
    What about Lisa edelstein playing?Isn’t it worth good words like they said about guest star?
    And some question most interesting:what were they about to do with Cuddy charachter if LE didn’t leave?Where they were going to put this devoted friend of House after this stupid and crazy final?
    If they didn’t know about her leaving then what did they plan to do with her? May be that question she asked and answer was so bad that she decided to leave?Because she really didn’t like her future in the show?
    And they answer about Taub doctor don’t knowing about condoms was just poor.They made this two women -pregnant-thing because
    they wanted to fill blank places in S8 with so bored Taub private life.It’s sloppy job.
    And Barbara thank you for this interview it’s so bad that you aren’t writer of this show.I think you can make better then they, because you really understand character of House!

  • maria-eleni

    I suspect HL was driving the car.
    It really was incredibly strong scene both emotionally and physically.

    I am going to behave as a teenager and..HUGH LAURIE ROCKS!!!!!!!!

    I pity those who will not be watching S8.

  • missy

    RIP House MD.

  • Alex

    It was a fun ride. Good bye House.

  • HouseMDFan

    Holy Shit, Barbara, the readership and commentators you have aquired by now it tiring to say the least. Thank you very much for the interview, it was incredibly insightful, I’m looking forward to S8 very much, but I’m done reading the comments here.

  • Zaze

    maria-eleni : A recommendation: do not ever watch Amadeus, it is about Mozart, a genius who self destructed.

    This movie is amazing but I didn’t see Mozart trying to hurt someone in it.

  • shy reader

    What a great interview, thank you so much for posting!

    It’s interesting that they said a possible theme in Season 8 would be “does House believe he has to redeem himself to the people that were in his life, and does he even try” – – it fits very well with the last scene of Moving On – that House chose to go to a sunny, happy, tropical island, and seems very at peace with his decision.

    I think the writers of this show are incredible. Of course, I was surprised by the turn of events, but all the more reason I commend the writers – we all thought we knew House! We, the viewers, are likened to Cuddy and Wilson (as the writers said: “For those in the audience that feel like House has to redeem himself, it reflects the same position for the other people in his life.”)

    Like Cuddy and Wilson, we thought we knew what to expect, as if House is predictable, or easily understood – but he is anything but. And the writers did a great job of reminding the viewers of that.

    Thanks for the interview. Looking forward to Season 8!!

  • http://barbarabarnett.com barbara barnett

    Holy Shit, Barbara, the readership and commentators you have acquired by now it tiring to say the least. Thank you very much for the interview, it was incredibly insightful, I’m looking forward to S8 very much, but I’m done reading the comments here.

    It’s frustrating and no longer as much fun to me either. I started this column to discuss the show at a deeper lever, and although there has been great much intelligently debated discussion over the direction of the show (which is very good and healthy), I am disheartened by the continual onslaught of nastiness by some.

  • Ana

    They need to get Lisa Edelstein back at any cost. That’s the only way to dig themselves out of this hole. Real life mimics fiction yet again, it’s not House who is self-destructive.

  • EnoughAlready

    I hear what they are saying; I hear what the motivation and idea was behind this finale and season. It didn’t come across on screen, though.

    The House/Cuddy relationship focused so much on superficial issues and on make sure they were “discontent” that it din’t come across as a real investment. It was obvious they were in a relationship and trying something different, but without the depth and complexity that had in the past been so prevalent, it all fell flat. The lack of intensity that the writers failed to put into the relationship, meant the crazy behavior after the break-up made no sense. In fact, it felt more like they were trying to offend the audience than actually go inside House’s hurt. Then, this finale took him from self-destructive to to an agression that is a danger to others.

    However they intended the scene, the crash could have resulted to death with just a simple jolt to a supporting wall. Even in another room, if the wrong beam was hit by the car, injury and death would have occurred. It was unnecessary to take House this route. And for them to say he needed to create that break because he couldn’t let go on his own makes me question how open minded they are to all the possibilities of this character. They have boxed him in by their limited thought processes. House could have realeased his anger and broken all hope in a manner that didn’t destroy what little light is left in him.

    It’s a little offensive, too to say they feel our pain, too. They obviously don’t or they wouldn’t have destroyed these characters. There was so much possibility to explore House’s issue this season through the relationship and break-up. They chose superficiality, shock and awe. Not what has traditionally drawn the House fan into the vortex.

    Now they want us to tune in for S8 because “oh, now there are possibilities to really get inside of House.”. Please! There have been SO MANY possibilities. What makes next season any different? Because this time you can start with a House that has completely given in to his dark side and is ok with it? Not everyone wants to see inside a villan. There is a huge portion of fans (and critics apparently) who wanted to see inside the anit-hero. He doesn’t exist now.

    Maybe it is a restart: with a character many don’t know, don’t love and don’t care to understand. It’s not a reset, that’s for sure. For MANY, This was never House. Resets are only required when you actually failed and misstepped along the way. How about admitting it? Then maybe there would be hope for the future because you at least acknowledge it.

  • Paul.s

    Barbara, thank you for the excellent questions you presented the writers with.
    To me, their answers clarified the one thing I couldn’t get a grip on. Why is everything happening to house without any cohesive visible (to the viewers) thread running through it? Reading their answers in the interview it is clear to me that the writer’s train of thought or vision if you will, and what actually manifested on the screen was a little disconnected. I kept thinking, if we had “subtitles” explaining what was going on throughout the season, the viewers wouldn’t have been so perplexed as to what unfolded. I’m not talking about the shock value of a finale, I’m just pointing out that for a lot of people, house’s behavior seemed a little erratic and sudden, instead of the slow building, emotional volcano culminating in a massive eruption the writers intended to convey. I had to go back and watch previous episodes to see if I missed anything. I have to admit that I never saw any chemistry between House and Cuddy either, so to me his reaction to the breakup was a little faked out. First, they got together, then suddenly they broke up , then he is nursing a broken hear? I hate to sound like a dick but as a guy, I always thought he just used her as a distraction from the pain of being lonely. Nothing gave me the impression that House was at such a drastic breakpoint. Some will argue that his whoring stunt and fake marriage along with a few other antics were a ‘tell’, but most of us just attributed them to House being himself, a nutjob. I’m not sure who’s to blame, but hopefully lessons will be learned.

  • http://barbarabarnett.com barbara barnett

    shy reader: actually that second quote you mention is the one that began to help me wrap my mind around this whole thing. Cuddy and Wilson are our stand ins here. They are flabbergasted, dismayed and angry at what House turned into at the end of the season.

    What will he do? Will he become a recluse? Or, will he try to redeem himself in some way (and I don’t mean a quick fix). I wonder if we are meant to see the levels to which he fell after Stacy left him–the place that Wilson has always been so terrified he’d return.

  • BrokenLeg

    Thank you Barbara for your efforts. But as much they try to explain what they think they wrote much different is it from what I’ve watched.
    And please, don’t try to justify DS or themselves as they do in the last part of the interview, they simply have changed House’s personality as they wanted or needed.At least, have the dignity of recognize it.This behaviour wasn’t another layer in House self, it’s new one.
    And about encouraging the fans to watch next season, pathetic.

  • Patricia

    In the words of Claudius, “Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out!” And that’s what I believe is going to happen in Season 8 regarding the exploration of House’s inner world. We’re going to see all the darkness that’s been building up for seven years (if not longer) finally rise to the top, and House’s going to have to confront who he really is versus the man he’s always wanted to be. Despite my lingering sadness over the departure of Lisa Edelstein, I cannot wait to see what Shore and the writers have in store for the audience once September comes around.

  • TripleM

    I could tell a woman wrote the episode! I certainly didn’t want to see Cuddy turning into a nagging girlfriend wanting to talk about feelings and complicating things. The soap opera dribble just got out of hand. Season 8 better be a reflection of of the first season with House dealing with his problems and not “Days of our lives part deux”

  • http://barbarabarnett.com barbara barnett

    It’s a little offensive, too to say they feel our pain, too. They obviously don’t or they wouldn’t have destroyed these characters.

    Why? They are writers who have a story arc to follow. They felt they needed to break them up (that’s their right). They can, as fans themselves of the show, also feel terrible that they did it. I’m writing a novel. I love my two protagonists. I broke them up in the most horrific way. I cried when I did it. But the story needed it. In my perspective as the writer.

    I’m just trying to stay objective here.

    Paul–We see the action (often) through House’s perspective.
    since the end of bombshells, he has been an emotional wreck. Erratic–sometimes better than others, but erratic, nonetheless. His swings of mood and action should be jarring to us. (Maybe not this jarring, but I understand where they were going).

  • shy reader

    Barbara – I agree, I read that particular passage several times – it really turns everything around in a way.

    Since the writers mentioned that the sunny island was symbolic of House’s state of mind after the crash, this makes me think that at least for right now, House isn’t worried about redemption (maybe this is the place Wilson feared?). But I agree with you – I’m really looking forward to seeing how all of this plays out – what will become of him, how he will negotiate this new reality he has constructed..

  • Saniotty

    I wonder who these writers are trying to fool. How to bring House back? Simple, after a period of pain, let’s say 3 episodes, he’ll be called, probably by Wilson,
    to use his skill (no, not the new violently psychotic attitude, the medical skills) to do something noble and unique. And all will be forgiven. It’s called tv.

    And I don’t even comment the fact that to put a wall between House and Cuddy they had to bring down half of her house, with her and her guests inside. Subtle and intelligent, really. I wonder if they ever think to the idiocies they say.

  • merkof

    Actually the car crash, in its awful finality, is the best thing that could have happened to House. Any other watered-down reaction would not have propelled him out of PPTH. He was being stifled in there, hedged around by well-meaning people, forever enabling him but never understanding him.
    As a protective cocoon it served for a time after his misfortune, but after 12 or so years, the only way to change his perception of life is to move on to a new life. Maybe to complete self distraction or, hopefully, to a life more fulfilling for his capabilities and better self.
    It is possible that after such a shocking act the feelings of liberation will lead him to rethinking his life and to contemplate remorse, something that cannot be done when one is eaten up by inner rage.
    [H]ouse, also, as a show has the possibility to be reinvented.

  • Silvia

    Do you remember from the episode that House had kept Cuddy’s hairbrush? (Cuddy asked him to return it.) House knew exactly where it was. In my mind, and again, I have to reiterate what Peter said that we all bring something into the project and we all have our ideas, but House was holding onto that. That was that last vestige of Cuddy. And when he was willing to try and give it back to her, that was it for him. Intellectually and logically he had gotten to the place where, “I’m okay with it, I’m going to move on, I won’t be emotionally compromised anymore or tortured over this.” But I he gets up those steps with [her] hairbrush [to return it to her], he gets up to the steps and he sees her and the lightness that she has about her, and that it seems like she’s moved on, and it wounds him. And I think he’s furious with himself, among many other emotions, that he’s still emotionally compromised. He’s not able to completely turn that switch off. And I think part of, one aspect of his choice to drive into her house—although, I wouldn’t say it was a clear-cut, logical choice—but was to make it an impossibility for him to ever reconnect with Cuddy. He couldn’t turn that switch himself, and so he had to just, you know, destroy the whole thing. That’s one take.
    Wow, I completely misunderstood this part of the episode. I thought House couldn’t care less about the hairbrush and was just being nice trying to return it back to her, and when he saw her having a good time with friends , he was jealous that she didn’t invite him lol… then when he ended up on the beach he was smiling because he realized that he overreacted..I’m a moron!

  • Puzzled

    I don’t think the theme of “does House feel he needs to redeem himself” will go over well. Part of the attraction to a lot of viewers was that House wanted to change – even when he said people can’t change. You always saw he wanted to feel better, be better. If they go the route of House deciding he doesn’t need to, that will alienate a huge group of the fans. Right or wrong.

    This is a tough one for them to overcome. The House who struggled kept both sides of the fanbase interested. The House who feels it’s okay to be selfidestructive, aggressive to others and content to be careless is not appealing to a lot of people. It splits the fanbase; it loses fans. A risk indeed in a final season.

    Thanks, Barbara. It’s interesting what they say even if discouraging.

  • http://barbarabarnett.com barbara barnett

    Silvia–We all go into an episode of House with our assumptions, experience and biases all informing how we see an episode. What we see on screen may or may not be what the writers intended, which is why writers usually don’t like to tell. Art is left to the audience to appreciate, not to the creator. It’s always interesting for me to read scripts (or even better talk to the writers) to get into their heads as to what they are thinking.

    I collect House scripts (shooting scripts, not transcripts). They are always so telling, either validating my assumptions or altering them. I am always so appreciative when writers take the time to talk to me. They don’t have to do it.

  • Lucy

    To put so much emphasis on the relationship to the point House had to go to that extreme has been a little disheartening all along. They could have explored House on a very deep level, issue by issue, after Broken. They spent 2 seasons with pining, desperate House. I guess now that they finally killed Huddy they can stop being distracted and get inside House. It’s discouraging, though. Can we trust they’ll do it? Or will they now get distracted with consequences and ambivilance?

  • http://barbarabarnett.com barbara barnett

    Puzzled–FWIW, I don’t think that’s the route they’ll go. I don’t think they will leave House at the point he’s at. House is in crisis. How and how much he will come back from it will depend on when he realizes that far from getting his stuff together, as he’d hoped at the end of After Hours, he’s completely destroyed himself in the eyes of everyone he knows and who cares about him.

    And maybe it will, in the end, prove to be a cathartic moment for him. A horrible, explosive, destructive moment (or series of them beginning with Out of the Chute) that needed to happen. I don’t know. I’ve gone from being not sure about the ending of the episode to being anxious to see what they will do with it.

  • BrokenLeg

    I ask myself if I’ve watched the same episode they are talking about in the interview. I do not see the same nor in the brush affair, nor in the car crash, nor even in the H/C scene, nor in C/the banker affair….Are we talking about the same one?
    So very good pointed Barbara’s questions to be answered that way!!

  • bigHousefan

    Some of this comes from my earlier post on the Rants and Raves Thread.
    I interpreted this as House the Rational and master of suppressing/dismissing the emotional, completely unable to cope with the enormity of the loss of Cuddy. And worse, he observes her with someone new in her home where he enjoyed an intimate family life with Cuddy and Rachel. He stopped doing battle with his inner-demons and worse than surrender to them, he EMBRACED them.   He gave up all hope and felt LIBERATED in doing so.  His demeanor on the beach was of total liberation.  

    All of his mantras: all love is conditional, giving in to baser drives, we’re all wildebeests dying on the riverbank (Live the Dream), none of this means anything, he doesn’t need human connection or deserve it (Son of a Coma Guy) etc…In House’s mind he’s been proven right – and he’s pleased with himself.

    I love the character, House. I’m sad he is in this mentally sick state. I hope by series end we find House at peace with himself. But, knowing David Shore just when House finds peace he’ll also discover his liver is gone from Vicodin abuse and he’ll die.

    If this were the SERIES finale, I would be devastated. I will watch to see where the writers go with this, the story is not over and I’m glad of that. I would so love to see Mira Sorvino come back as Kate (Frozen)! I want an ultimately happy and at peace ending for House and if next year brings the end of the story, I hope this is the direction they will take. But, it’s not for me to decide ultimately.

    Mr. Blake seems to be doing some apologizing and begging here. I think they got the message that if we can’t ultimately forgive and care deeply for House, and our hearts are too weary of being broken, we might just jump ship and save ourselves additional heartbreak.

    Barbara, THANKS SO MUCH FOR THIS INTERVIEW AND ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR COLUMN WHICH HAS GIVEN ME SO MUCH ENJOYMENT FOR SO LONG!

  • maria-eleni

    @Zaze

    He hurt his wife.
    Hurting is not always physical.
    Mozart by being improvident and a wastrel, showed indifference and disregard for a woman who loved him very much.
    He also hurt his father but the ramifications there go deeply and here we are discussing House.

    I am astounded by the shock generated by the physical manifestation of House’s attack.
    Are all those years forgotten when he was verbally attacking everyboby around him?
    Was not shredding apart those poor souls the inmates of Mayfield for his own selfish reasons equally or even more irredeemable an act? At least now there are mitigating circumstances of extreme emotional upheaval.
    Why, why this expectation of House to behave in a correct way? Now when everything around him has fallen apart, and he has lost Cuddy? He is desperate and desperate people are irrational and dangerous.

  • merkof

    @shy reader

    totally agree

  • http://barbarabarnett.com barbara barnett

    “In the words of Claudius, “Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out!” And that’s what I believe is going to happen in Season 8 regarding the exploration of House’s inner world. We’re going to see all the darkness that’s been building up for seven years (if not longer) finally rise to the top, and House’s going to have to confront who he really is versus the man he’s always wanted to be. Despite my lingering sadness over the departure of Lisa Edelstein, I cannot wait to see what Shore and the writers have in store for the audience once September comes around.”

    I couldn’t agree more with your sentiments. There are few more self-loathing than House. He hates who he believes himself to be and perhaps here he is proving it (to himself and those he loves). He’s blowing up bridges rather than putting up moats. But I hope S8 is one of self-discovery and in the end he transcends his self-hatred. Until he does, he’ll sink deeper and deeper. Don’t be fooled by that temporary grin.

  • Oversimplified

    @Maria-eleni
    With the greatest of respect I like to think that feminism has changed men’s view of women since Mozart’s day, even amongst tortured geniuses. I could be wrong though….

  • Oversimplified

    Oh and just to add Cuddy could always defend herself against verbal attacks as could Wilson. It’s harder to defend yourself or your house against a car.

  • KrispyKreme

    Sorry to be blunt but the answers about Taub are some of the dumbest I’ve ever heard from a “creative team” …No wonder the season/finale flopped.

  • somy

    This is what I have understood so far.

    You have an extraordinarily popular actress playing an extraordinarily popular character.
    For some inconceivable reason, you then give this extraordinary actress very limited screentime, shove her into the background, and bring in a younger, less talented girl, pay her a great deal more, and put her front and center in spite of the increasing complaints of fans and critics.

    You write the most extraordinary, unique love story, then categorically tear it down with dull writing instead of truly exploring it, and then abruptly ending it and bringing in a series of prostitutes and glorified domestic green card slaves.

    You ignore the fans who are trying to nudge you in the right direction, trying to warn you that this isn’t working, that things need to improve, and keep up the negligent, careless writing and producing.

    Then, as ratings drop, the ONLY reason people are still watching becomes the hapless victim of the whole debacle, and is, essentially thrown in front of the bus by her colleagues.
    Wilson, the other co-starring secondary character, her equal in every way is offered a great deal more money than she is for no other conceivable reason than the fact that he is A MAN (even though he does considerably less promotional work then she does).

    She (the leading WOMAN) and the one BLACK guy on the show are the ONLY stars asked to cut their pay due to the PRODUCERS’s negligent writing, while the show throws money out the window on expensive teaser stunts no one cares about and a salary for the leading man that is beyond obnoxious.

    And now, for some inconceivable reason, because ratings are dropping, they are “cutting costs” by cutting out the only factor that actually increased the ratings. Something is not right.
    I want to believe the best of all of them and I realise there is probably more going on behind the scenes than we know, but they have to understand that this looks very, very bad form the outside.

    And if they are not fighting for her, they should be. Cut Hugh Laurie’s salary, stop spending money on stupid stunts, or hey, take it out of the producer’s salary, they’re responsible for this mess…This is a shameful sexist spectacle, and they all need to stop being cowards and take a stand. If Hugh Laurie threatens to quit, for example, the network would have to listen. None of them are powerless in this, I don’t buy that it’s “out of their hands”. I watch this show because it is a brave show, and I need them to prove to us they have the same courage in life as in fiction. This is a women’s rights issue, if they do or say nothing in public they are cowards.

    Look at the statistics, at the ratings. Every single episode she is heavily featured in does BETTER. When they broke up House and Cuddy the ratings tumbled. They are delusional if they think anyone is going to watch this show without Lisa in it. She has been a part of the story from day one, for seven years she has been House’s “redeeming feature”, his heart, his light in the end of the tunnel, the one thing that makes him human….what is the point of your story if they suddenly take away this factor that has been a vital part of the “arc” for seven years, when they only have ONE season left? What kind of storytelling is that? Do they really think we watch for the patients? Do they really want to end this show with a humiliating mid-season cancellation next winter?

    Do they really want people to remember House MD not as a beautiful, unique, extraordinary show, but a badly managed, disgraceful production in which women are expendable and can be trampled all over?

    P.S. Also, credit where credit is due to these two writers (who I suspect probably didn’t choose the ending themselves), I liked Shohreh Aghdashloo’s character. Thank you for not messing that up. You even gave her an accurate name and didn’t turn her into a stereotype, I appreciated that. Also, the scene where Cuddy apologises to House was beautiful. Finally some emotionally raw interaction and well-written dialogue, too bad the ridiculous ending negated all of that.

  • Zaze

    I think writers should tell viewers in the premiere that House is suffering from a mental illness (psychopathy). This shocking news could be interesting to develop.

  • CJD

    Thank you as always Barbara. Please thank the writers, as you say they did not have to do this.

    I love this show, and I love this episode. i knew what the writers were saying when I watched, but it’s nice to read their answers too.

    I am looking forward to everything you are going to share with us in the future,Barbara. Don’t be discouraged by some comments, a lot of fans are still appreciative of your work. I am very excited to see what will happen in season 8!

  • Kim

    Well, 90% of Barbara’s readers are huddys, they watched House just for this silly romance and now that it’s over they’ll stop watching. I say good riddance. Also I love how they are screaming ‘domestic violence’ but at the same time they’ll ‘squeeeee’ if House and Cuddy would be back together.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    Good night Barbara, thank you for your interview! I think we are lucky to have you, to clarify many of our doubts about this incredibly painful season finale!

    At one point, [House’s] car crash was going to be episode 19. Then we were going to show the fallout of that for the next few episodes. I shouldn’t talk about what that fallout was going to be because we might use some of it next year; we’re just not sure yet. But I think the network, the studio, and the writers decided that it would be better to go out on a bang. So it got moved up to the last episode about a couple months before we started filming it.
    Well! Regarding this. In your previous review, I said that to me a good ending to House, this season, had been the EP22. And I said this because the writers themselves, of that episode, said that in first, that would have been the end of the season. Today, I can say also that I would have been more appropriate, this car accident, in episode 19. Well, actually, they could have studied its effects this season. But above all, this accident had occurred in the highest point of desperation of House. Now it was not time to do crazy things. In my opinion, the previous episode left us with a House hopeful. And even during the course of this episode, we saw the light at some points the way of House.

    That’s where this episode begins, with House realizing he is going to make a change. It’s not going to be easy, but he is going to stop being self-destructive. He realizes that he’s got to stop being so sort of passive-aggressive with Cuddy and just get over. He just decides he’s just going to use his power of mind to try to get over this breakup.
    Yes, this is the thing…Ep22 finished with a House full of hopes…Really, I would like that ep22 has been the last for this crazy season.

    And then when House and Cuddy have that scene in the hallway together, they have a bit of a breakthrough. They’ve never even had a fight really about their breakup to this point.
    Here I would like to say that they not even had a fight before the breakup of their relationship. The last “honest interaction” (as said, Cuddy) they had was in the Ep11 (Family Practice). They did not have any kind of fight even in moments where Cuddy was angry with House for the “little things”. And much less just before the rupture. During this season we have barely seen moments of confrontation between House and Cuddy. So, honestly, I’m surprised that the writers highlight that House and Cuddy had not any fight after the breakup. If they did not even have a fight for breaking!

    And I think he’s furious with himself, among many other emotions, that he’s still emotionally compromised. He’s not able to completely turn that switch off. And I think part of, one aspect of his choice to drive into her house—although, I wouldn’t say it was a clear-cut, logical choice—but was to make it an impossibility for him to ever reconnect with Cuddy. He couldn’t turn that switch himself, and so he had to just, you know, destroy the whole thing. That’s one take.
    Yes, I totally agree on what they say here. In fact, it’s what I thought at first. House wanted to break with it, breaking all things. The problem here is that House (the series) has also broken with us (the fans).

    -Another part of it is that I think he was angry because he felt like he had gotten to an honest point with Cuddy. He had asked her, “Are you dating anyone?” She had said, “No.” And then it seemed to him—although she wasn’t lying—it seemed to him that she had been lying to him about all of it because she seemed to be with this new guy having this romantic dinner with the family. So he felt hurt about that.
    Well, at this point, I wonder if saying “only part” they do not want to downplay the fact that “he crashed into her house because he was jealous”. And I say this for the last comment about House and maltreatment towards women. I do not agree with those who have said this. But it is likely that these two writers have wanted to downplay this second reason, according to them, House decided to park in the living room of Cuddy´s House.
    On the other hand, regarding this matter. At no time, they discussed anything about this “new boyfriend”(like David Shore called him) of Cuddy? To me, still, is out of place, that just after that conversation in the hallway, Cuddy ran into this new man. Why? Why just then? Why invite him to dinner? Take a man at home with Rachel, after the previous episode? For me, the only sense that it was provoking the jealousy of House and therefore his uncontrolled reaction and, of course, the end of their relationship forever. Something that I do not understand, because after the breakup, House has been with prostitutes and married…So why, if Cuddy dinner with another man, things will be different?

    -It upsets me that some people on Twitter thought that he was trying to kill Cuddy or kill anyone. We really did not intend that.
    Well, people (not only on twitter) saw a man who crashed his car into a house full of persons…Why people could think he wanted to kill Cuddy? Obviously, I think.

    -It was obviously, a very traumatic episode for a lot of fans, and I sympathize with them. But “Moving On” was always going to be an episode where House really, even more than their breakup puts a wall up between [himself and Cuddy].
    Really, I don´t understand why they wanted this, I mean, why they wanted to put a wall between them, when at first they (other writers and actors) said to us they wanted to explore the break up and finally these two, who ever will be in love, could be even closer than before involve in that relationship. Also, I don´t understand, why they wanted to kill a relationship of more than 25 years like this, wow, with a bang to put a big wall between them.

    -I think it’s a place to rebuild from, and so it gives us a lot of opportunity to look at the character. Is [this episode] a breakthrough for him? Or was this a reset, that he goes back to the way that he was more towards the beginning of the series?
    Well, don´t try to justify it, please. Back to square one. Because, if they really wanted this, they never broken up with Cuddy and Wilson at this point. And, on the other hand, back to square one…now? With only a season to the end of the series? After seven years watching House involving (not changing)? After Mayfield? After…? No, please, I can´t buy it.

    -It was obviously a self-destructive crazy act.
    Yes, a self-destructive crazy act for House (the series, not only the character).

    -If he had never stressed himself to that point to see if he can be the type of person that participates in true happiness. And I think, you know, we all went into it with high hopes. The characters went into it with high hopes. As writers, we went into it with high hopes for them. You know, [David] Shore and the executive producers are very mindful about being honest about who House is and what he’s capable of. So I think it was an inevitability to put them together.
    I think that in the same phrase they try to say different things. They took the relationship between House and Cuddy excited, but the only mission of this relationship was put House on the edge of despair. As a spectator of the series since the beginning, I really feel cheated hearing these things. Hurt and sad. Especially because in the first comments I made on your blog, Barbara, I talked about this issue. I said something like this: “I do not think that using the relationship of House and Cuddy to go down House into hell, may be the intention to the writers …” Then finally, all my fears came true.

    -Anything else you want to add before I let you go?
    We would also like to say to the fans, thank you for watching, and keep watching. I really want them to keep watching, even those who haven’t been happy, even though they’re angry with us for this episode, to see how we deal with House next season. We would also like to tell the Huddy fans that we feel their pain. We really do.

    They, still, don´t understand that our disappointment with House (the series) is not only this episode, and of course, it is not only about the “Huddy”. Our dissapointment is about a big part of this season, about the changes they did on characters (even when they ever said, characters don´t change). The changes they did in Cuddy´s character. About the way they took the relationship between Cuddy and House. About all the episodes we could watch after Bombshells…people are hurt with this show!

    You know what? Screw this whole thing; I’m just going to do this. Did they do it?

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    Sorry, but my long post, I started to write and don´t realize of it…

  • 08joanna

    I’m glad you asked the writers point-blank about whether House intended to harm anyone, and that their answer was that he didn’t, but I think they could’ve made this clearer in the actual execution of that scene. It’s true that we see Cuddy clearing the dishes and motioning for everyone to go into another room, so in his mind as he drove down the street, turned and headed back to the house, he probably did assume the room would be empty. This point would’ve been clearer if we’d then also been given a shot showing what he saw from the car as he drove up the driveway and into the house — a shot of the empty room before he crashed into it. Of course, it was still a horrible, crazy act, but I can understand what drove him to do it, and I do believe there are possibilities for redemption for him. It all depends on how they decide to write Season 8.

    It’s interesting that they let HL do the driving scene, and that he also wanted to do the crash himself. Sometimes I think both the writers and actors get psyched about these high-production scenes, maybe to the detriment of character cohesion. But I can’t fault him for enjoying doing it, because none of us would be here talking about this show after 7 years if he hadn’t created an amazing, compelling character that’s been worth watching. If he didn’t object to where House went in this episode, who are we to question it? He’s also said that he’s always liked the character he’s created, from the beginning, and I don’t believe he’d ever let House become totally irredeemable, no matter what the writers come up with for the character.

  • Betty

    Thanks, Barbara for the interview. What struck me is that the writers had a crash planned for a while and they were originally going to place it in ep. 19 which was Martha Masters’ swan song. I wonder what the audience reaction would have been then, and would that have made less sense?

    What they said about the network and the studio also having a say about the placement of the crash is a reminder to me that Shore may not have the complete final say on creative input that I was led to believe which is good to know. The last few eps felt to me contrived to build up to the crash (e.g. the OOC nature of Wilson and Cuddy w/ House going back on Vicodin), and the finale itself also felt contrived leading to the crash, which is probably why some of us felt it was OOC for House to do that. In the end, the network wanted to go out w/ a bang in its seventh season finale. And who can blame them? It’s about the ratings and advertising dollars.

    But I don’t think anybody had anticipated the strong negative response to the crash in particular would cause, followed by Lisa’s unexpected departure. I remember Shore said in an interview he hates change. So I would think he was expecting Lisa to be back and had some idea in mind on how to deal w/ House’s actions and Cuddy. But now things have changed.

    The other thing that struck me is Kath asking will House feel the need to redeem himself in the eyes of others for his behavior. While I do think everyone is on their own individual journey, doesn’t raising this question only reinforce the selfish, narcissistic way of living that House has been trying to get away from by connecting w/ others in a meaningful way? The very idea of questioning if House needs to be redeemed is a bit disconcerting and I hope that will be a given to be addressed. I am still curious enough to see what the writers decide to come up w/.

    Finally, I like the Q&A format of the interview given the controversial nature of this ep, and I like that the writers care about the viewers’ reactions. The interview gave some further insight to the ep.

  • bigHousefan

    RedTulip_Anna 50 and 51

    I ‘lobe’ you and your passion! I understand and agree with MUCH of what you say, but, please don’t leave us! I would miss you too much!

  • juliet5210

    oh dear…
    I think it’s really possible to see why LE left the show she loved now. Irreconciliable artistic differences! But poor Hugh Laurie he’s signed on for another season. Oh dear…

  • BrokenLeg

    43 @Barbara:If, as you and 27@Patricia think, this is how House’s last part of his own Journey To Ithaka will be on next season,there is no possible redemption for him. Never. Hopeless.Unhappy forever. No pace on himself.No self forgiveness.
    As greek poet Kavafis says on “Journey to Ithaka”, “Lestrygonians and Cyclops do not fear you if they are not in your head”, but I think impossible for House to eradicate all his fears (them) from his mind from the sate he his now. So he will never return to his own Ithaka,wiser at his own way

  • nitemar

    Unfortunately for Cuddy fans, Lisa is definitely never coming back., that is if you believe in GY tweets. I for one will come back for season 8 and see how many hours will House spend in jail. Then I will sign off for good. Barbara, as always, thank you.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @54 – bigHousefan
    Thank you! I lobe you too…well, I´ll try stay here and promise don´t make comments sooo long…I´m starting to read comments of people!

  • morphine, a violin, a friend and a mystery

    ok, look. i thought this finale was powerful. let me just start with that.

    obviously it was powerful to many, in a good way or bad way.

    and i have to say that to me this was a great, great episode because of a few reasons.

    1) i am now more interested in house the character. he broke out of his ways of dealing with things. he showed anger. how he did it was horrible and unforgiveable. that interests me as a viewer. this is no longer the same old “loveable” house (tongue in cheek)

    2) where the heck do we go from here? im hoping the writers don’t try to go back to the same old same old. that would be dishonest. we all saw what happened. house is now, imo, a criminal, and not the cuddly vicodin-abusing genius kind of criminal. the i-could-have wiped-out-4-adults-and-a-child criminal. the house we knew is gone, for now. he did change, as he said he would.

    *bonus armchair psychoanalysis*

    change is hard. and when it happens, it isn’t always pretty. and it often goes horribly wrong. aaaand it also happens impulsively in ways we regret.

    Buuut… house sure didn’t seem like he regretted what happened, which begs the question, “why not?”

    well, we all know house is a bit of a sociopath. welcome to sociopathy. his gift is also his curse. when a person bottles up feelings or cuts themselves off from the world emotionally, bad things can happen, especially since he has been like this for so long.

    we all knew house was selfish. but, we’ve seen the good sides of him too. people are both yin and yang, constantly changing.

    so if house is going to change, and he is going to be honest about how he feels. what he thinks…

    if house is going to open up, then the ugly is going to come out with the beautiful.

    so…

    3) the third reason that this was a great season finale for me is, will we get to see house actually change???

    aside from “pain”, id say the other major theme of this show has been house “changing”… what he does, who he is…

    he has tried, and succeeded, but it didn’t stick.

    and so this episode interests me.

    *bonus armchair philosophical and literary analysis*

    i am interested in philosophy and the term “authentic” comes to mind regarding this episode. i’m not going to pretend i have a degree in philosophy, but from my point of view, house has been an authentic being only by his own terms. the world is an obstacle to him. i could imagine him happy living in a virtual reality suit, not giving a damn about the real world.

    but the real world exists. and that includes emotionial interaction, which can overtake reason, as we saw at the end.

    so what do you do when you have bottled up (how many) years of emotional life? often times, you just explode. and sometimes people get hurt.

    that’s not the way we want it to happen, but you can’t… you know the song.

    so what this episode reminds me of, speaking of authenticity, explosions, and sudden reality checks, is a passage from the end of the first part of Camus’ The Stranger:

    “The scorching blade slashed at my eyelashes and stabbed at my stinging eyes. That’s when everything began to reel. The sea carried up a thick, fiery breath. It seemed to me as if the sky split open from one end to the other to rain down fire. My whole being tensed and I squeezed my hand around the revolver. The trigger gave; I felt the smooth underside of the butt; and there, in that noise, sharp and deafening at the same time, is where I tall started. I shook off the sweat and sun. I knew that I had shattered the harmony of the day, the exceptional silence of a beach where I’d been happy. Then I fired four more times at the motionless body where the bullets lodged without leaving a trace. And it was like knocking four quick times on the door of unhappiness.”

    sometimes change just happens and not the way we want it to.

    sometimes when we see parts of ourselves, they are not what we expected.

    if i were tptb, next season, assuming it was the last, would really be about house the person. enough of the superhero doctor stuff, from which the human story of house has been overshadowed (not neccessarily a bad thing, but i think the show has been more about the plots than real character depth).

    i mean that is has been overshadowed not just by tptb, but by himself and the people in his life. they all see him as this super-human who has flaws. well, super-humans have super-flaws.those flaws almost killed cuddy and her family and friends. he needs to be taken down a notch or 10000. a good first step would be jail.

    ive always thought this show was at it’s core about people, about who we are, about change, about relationships. but those themes seemed to always be saved for the tear jerker moments that last a half-minute, with some moving music in the background. i think house m.d. needs to bring all that front and center. the people part of this show has always been one of its best traits. for the final season, i think that should pretty much take over.

    house is just a man now. he’s not a god. he needs to learn to accept that. and then maybe he will learn to accept happiness back into his life.

    will greg house really change?

    i think we just saw some authenticity from house.

    who knows what will happen next season!

  • Kim in California

    I believe that the director and the writer are both directly responsible for the negative reaction of the fans. Had it been clearer in either the direction or the writing that House KNEW that no one was in the dining room, I would have really understood why he did it and appreciated it. But the director and writer failed miserably to show us this and we are left to believe that he wanted to hurt them and could have hurt Rachel since he didn’t know if she was in the room or not. The director/writer could have shown House waiting on the step for the room to be clear or even better, the two couples sitting in the dining room eating and House goes through the living room. Or, they could have given us a long shot where House sees as he’s driving that there is no one in the room. As it stands, he did this not knowing if the room was really empty and that means he could be homicidal or at the least he could care less if someone gets hurt, including Rachel, whom he did not know if she was in the house or not.

  • Carotid artery

    Barbara, I think I speak for a lot of us here , who rush to read your reviews, interviews and comments and feel the need to share our thoughts and feelings about this wonderful show. I sense that you are dismayed at the level of intensity projected in the comments toward the writers/network/producers. I don’t think these professionals will in any way try to exact retribution and decline interviews. This blog is fantastic in a cathartic way for us – the fans – to speak our minds. Obviously , we have no say in how the show unfolds and what direction it should take.
    I think the discussions here have been phenomenal and interesting, however, if the general consensus is to keep things neutral for the sake of not offending anyone on the show, then I guess Twitter it is . Thank you for your insights of the episodes , it was a pleasure to read.

  • tahina

    Kim in California-when I saw the car crash, Rachel was my first thought too. This is bad tv, sorry, but a good show can be easily killed by just one scene,and David Shore had the honors..Sorry to see Lisa leave, Im sure she’ll miss acting with Hugh. :(

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @59 – morphine, a violin, a friend and a mystery
    WOW, reading you, I even want to watch next season! But, the problem is…I don´t want to be involved in this new House, because if witers, producers…TPTB will be the same, I will take the risk of to feel hurt…again! But…WOW!

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @33 – Silvia — Good point about House´s smile on the beach!

  • BrokenLeg

    43-44 @Oversimplified
    Thanks God, someone that think females count something in XXI century,and that feminism has done some god!! As a XXI woman, thanks.
    46@somy
    THIS!
    50@RedTulip_Ana
    Do not leave us. I’ll miss the tenderness of your posts…As you posted once, I do not need to surf internet trying to find myself explanations and comfort for House episodes, before mid 7 season.This means something went wrong then.
    60@Kim in California
    Very good technical analysis!!!

  • maria-eleni

    @oversimplified
    I do not understand what feminism has to do with my comment about Mozart.

    As for House’s verbal attacks: I am not talking of give and take joking attacks.
    Remember how much he wounded Cuddy when she tried adopting. She was so hurt she speechless.
    How he continuously insulted his team.
    And how undefended were the Mayfield inmates against the devilish insight of House.

    What I mean is that until now his psychological violence was disregarded and only when he turned physical has disapproval been voiced.

    However psychological violence is as serious as physical, morally as well as legally.
    That is why I find hypocritical that House shocks people now while his previous behaviour seems to have been condoned.

  • 60 plus

    On a somewhat lighter note…every time I re-watched the crash scene, I really thought Hugh was doing the actual driving when the car did the 360. It was just too real. Despite the rage he was portraying as [House], I had the feeling that Hugh was having a ball! But I kept telling myself that they would never let him do it! I’m glad that, even though he couldn’t do the actual crash, he did get to do something that I’m sure he got a huge kick out of!

  • TheVent

    Honestly I still don’t think they (and many co-fans for that matter) understand that this is not about Huddy. In fact, the writers seem to have put more emphasis on Huddy that even Huddies. By that I mean that they started showing House pining away for Cuddy, depressed that he couldn’t be with her all throughout S6 when they could have been continuing into House’s real issues. They focused on “opening House up” in Broken, when really House’s issues were so much deeper and should have been explored way before a relationship. Then they put Huddy together and still didn’t really use that relationship as a means of looking into House the character. They say House was trying “stressing himself” in the relatonship to see if he could participate in true happiness, but they didn’t realy focus in on anything that would really bring any peace, much less happiness to him for two seasons. They focused on Huddy. Using the foundational characters as a plot device. It was there choice, yes. But the frustations isn’t that Huddies are disappointed because they should have lived happily ever after. It’s that they wasted two years focusing on something and never getting to the heart of House. Now, because he’s crashed his car into her House and Huddy is over they can deal with his issues? It makes no sense. When House came back from Mayfield and Cuddy was putting distance between them – because she’d watched his doward spiral, and he’d flipped out, and she was scared – that fundamental shift in their relationship could have been used for a shift.

    It doesn’t matter, you’re right. It’s their story. But they focused on Huddy. Not the fans. Now, it’s not Huddy the fans are mourning.

    Barbara, House fans are passionate. It’s not about you. Don’t take comments personal. It’s about the show and if they didn’t want passionate responses, they would write it differently. They are that good.

  • maria-eleni

    48-CJD

    you express my feelings.

    Barbara, thank. It is with deep satisfaction that i follow was insightfull and balanced thoughts.

  • http://barbarabarnett.com barbara barnett

    Carotid–I’m not dismayed with the criticism of the show in this thread. Not at all. Actually the level of conversation in this thread (especially after the first few comments) has been excellent. Thank you all!

    It’s when it gets nasty and includes personal attacks–and the “i’m right you’re wrong” stuff. That cuts off debate; it makes people defensive and doesn’t foster anything but more nastiness.

    I love arguing. But you have to have something to argue against. Attacks and meanness only encourages more of the same. Delightfully, this thread has had a minimum of that.

  • Joy

    Thanks for the interview Barbara.

    The car crash still bugs me the most. And it bothers me that being self destructive(tub self surgery) was worse than the crash. I understand their point of view for that one because they are the creators/writers who knew the where the story was going. House may have seen them step out of the table, (i get that), but as a viewer, I would have thought that Rachel (or even Marina) were at some place in the house, or could even be in the garage playing… I still think that he put the other people’s lives at risk.

    How i wish he crashed the car at a tree in front of Cuddy’s house instead of this.

  • Take Five

    I am absolutely amazed at the ease in which these writers can rationalize their bad decisions, i.e. this particular episode. I am not amazed, however, at how many of my fellow bloggers were not fooled by them. They screwed up, they know it, and they spent the last three days creating carefully crafted responses. They should consider going into politics.

  • merkof

    46-Sommy

    Cut HL’s salary? You must be kidding.
    What has hurt season 7 is that HL has less screen time than before when he used to be at almost every scene. Result: less excitement.
    So of course they have to listen if he quits. No HL = No HOUSE
    As for RSL you forget the series was based on a Sherlock Holmes and Watson theme.
    Nothing to do with sexism. Its conception was to explore two men’s relationship. Is ”sex and the city” sexist because it is based on female relationships?
    I am a Huddy, but as much as I love Cuddy and the actress I find her less important. Unfortunately as her role in House’s life as his love interest gained gradually more importance so the ratings started to drop. This is obvious in Se6 and Se7.
    Hero-worshipping Lisa has blinded you to some facts.

  • maria-eleni

    55-Juliet

    Sorry to disillusion you.

    “Poor” Hugh Laurie was doing the rounds in European talk shows ecstatic with his music and continuously praising the [House] scripts (witty, intelligent, wordy). He never stopped saying how immensely proud he is of the series and how much he loves the character.

  • Peachie

    Well, good write up as always Barbara.

    The show is called House. But I must confess, I only watched the last couple of minutes of the finale. I didn’t like it – but I’m a Huddy fan, so that was a normal reaction. However, two days later, I laughed my butt off. House is “cerrrraaaazzzy!” It really did make me forget that LE was leaving the show and there would be no more Huddy. It opened up a lot of possibilities as to where he may practice his medicine next.

    If the show is all a dream (coming out of a coma from when he had his leg infarction and he’s still with Stacy when he wakes up and none of this happened at all) – I can live with that show ending.

  • Elisabeth

    @60 Kim in California -yes. I am intrigued that the writers thought they were writing one scene and sending one message, when in reality we were not seeing their creation in the same way. I’m pleased to learn that they were not intending for us to believe that House was lashing out with malice aforethought. But I am now equally vexed that they feel the need to explain the scenario. Was House or was he not intending to cause harm to persons in addition to property? The directors say no, but they did not show it or justify it on camera. So we viewers are left to speculate. Maybe hindsight is clearer, but it seems to me that the writers were better at articulating their visions of House and his struggles in, oh, *all* of the previous seasons.

  • CathyB

    I was surprised that the writers said that the scene in Fiji or wherever was real. This show always requires us to suspend disbelief, but for a man who is three days removed from surgery on a pre-existing bad leg to walk away from a car accident, not go home, hail a cab?, go to the airport and go to a foreign country (or even Florida) is pretty unreal, even for House.

  • maro

    67-60plus

    absolutely!!!!!!!!!

  • What the Freud

    I agree with what was said here that maybe subtitles would have been better because their intent and what was shown on screen seems to have a giant, gaping chasm. Some scenes should have been added to make those points if that was their strong intent.

    I am bothered that they seem to be putting a spotlight on House crashing the car in terms of House’s tendencies for self destruction. Maybe it was, but the downplaying of the destructive nature of what he did to Cuddy and the people in her House does not go over well with me. The point is, what he did was self destructive, but it was a blatant overt act of destruction and violence upon others as well.

    Do not understand what 1. breakthrough or 2. reset (per what Kath said in her interview) can come of this. A breakthrough that House is capable of such acts and that’s okay or a reset to prior seasons? Sorry, but I don’t recall seeing this House in prior seasons.

    One last point, I’d like to point out that the violence of what House did is insane, but the EMOTIONAL violence of what Cuddy and what the people in her house experienced has to be deep as well. How can Cuddy ever feel safe in her home or any home again and how can she enter into any relationship without the trauma of fearing the ramifications of what an enraged boyfriend of ex-boyfriend might do? This type of act has such reverberations for people it’s done to. I am amazed at how some people don’t see the seriousness of what he did and shift the focus onto something else and downplay the incredible insanity, emotional and physical violence of his act. This isn’t holier than thou talking. And no defense of House has always been a show about suspending reality to an extent can hold water for me. Do we have to suspend reality to the extent that this is justified or explained away? If an ex of mine crashed his car into my house while I was there, I know I would be traumatized forever, feel threatened and insecure, and need therapy for the rest of my life.

  • Wins

    Well I think it’s a shame that the writers don’t have a sounding board, perhaps the writing room where they are creating a group conciousness led to this bad decision and even more misguided execution. If they did not intend to portray House as a criminal and this act as attempted murder, they really were off the mark. Sometimes things are not dramatized correctly and this seems really what happened here and it is a shame. Just put “man crashes into ex’s house” into a search engine and see the pictures and commentary you get. If the writers had done this, it may have given them pause, but the rush to shocking leaves little time for research I guess. So now many fans are left with a character, where once they looked for the glimmers of light in the dark and now that light has been snuffed out. The fact that seemingly it wasn’t intentional makes it worse. We didn’t sign up for Dexter. And it was carthartic and he can go relax on a beach, really?? Just really the worse finale ever.

  • Jane E

    Thanks for the great interview. I might not agree but it gives me a better understanding of why they choose this path. I like one of the points about Stacy because I remember Wilson stating to Cameron about how bad he was and maybe this is it. But then on the flip side,I thought Wilson and Cuddy were in denial regarding the extent of House’s emotional state. Just my opinion

  • 60 plus

    4 – maria-eleni
    ““Poor” Hugh Laurie was doing the rounds in European talk shows ecstatic with his music and continuously praising the [House] scripts (witty, intelligent, wordy). He never stopped saying how immensely proud he is of the series and how much he loves the character.”

    I have not seen any mention of Hugh’s being an executive producer (one of “the powers that be” ?) for the show in discussions of the finale. We have been told many times that he is actively involved in many details of the show, “more about the how than the what,” and not at all hesitant about sharing his thoughts–diplomatically, of course! :) Given that, and as shown by his desire to personally do the crash scene, it would appear that he went along with the script and the filming–even enthusiastically.

    I can’t help but wonder what he thinks about House’s being seen as homicidal, etc.– news of the current controversy has probably reached him in New Guinea. If I were in his shoes, my response might be “Let Them Talk,” but, even if he thought that, he’s undoubtedly too polite to say it.

  • Oversimplified

    @ maria-eleni
    I apologise for not elaborating on the point I made. What I meant was that since Mozart was incredibly abusive to his wife, attitudes and most importantly laws have changed regarding acceptable ways for men to treat women.

    And yes I 100% agree that verbal abuse can be just as destructive as it’s physical counterpart, however a large part of the dynamic between House and Cuddy has always been she can give as good as she gets: I’ve always seen her as his match in that sense. I do get your point about how he hurt her when she was trying to adopt Joy and then Rachel, but for me, and I think many others, aside from him not wanting to lose her friendship, he was also trying to protect her from the crushing sense of failure that she’d feel if she didn’t succeed as a mother because she’s such a perfectionist. This for me has always been the roundabout way he shows his affection, and why despite his often seemingly cruel actions I’ve nearly always been able to empathise with him. This time however I just can’t. It’s the first time I’ve seen him really victimize someone to the point of causing them possibly physical, but definitely mental anguish, and all for purely selfish reasons.

    I do agree with what some people have said about this being an all or nothing moment for him, and him having to break away from his old life, and getting away from everything/everyone to once and for all either fix himself or come to terms with who he is. House has to look in the mirror and learn to like himself. He can’t keep on seeking validation through other people, but in all honesty, my question is how can he possibly do that now after this ‘stunt’? If the writers explore this properly in Season 8 I just don’t see how he could or should get over the guilt, let alone sidestep the legal and professional ramifications, in which case we’re probably in for an extremely bleak end for the character.

    I was discussing the finale with a friend yesterday and we both agreed that instead of House crashing into Cuddy’s it would have been both more in character and dramatically interesting if he’d have kicked Wilson out of the car, driven home, entered his apartment and then completely exploded and basically wrecked all of his belongings including breaking his phone and therefore severing all ties with those around him and symbolically his past, before heading off ‘far, far away’. In that sense he’d have still been ‘punishing’ Cuddy for what he sees as a betrayal by removing her best doctor from the hospital AND he’d have achieved that cathartic release in a way that hadn’t endangered lives before ‘moving on’. House just disappearing seems just so much more, well, ‘Housian’ to me. It still strikes me that the car crash came more out of a growing trend in the show towards focusing on special effects, rather than uncovering the dramatic potential of the characters ‘subtly’ through their day to day encounters with the patients and each other. I can’t remember being so simultaneously underwhelmed and outraged by an episode of any show.

  • http://twitter.com/switchkosterice switchkosterice

    It’s quite interesting to hear the writers’ reactions to the fans interpreting the crash as homicidal. I have faith that was most definitely not their intention. Editor Scott Hahn must have either unintentionally dropped a shot that clearly depicts the dinner party leaving the dining room or he simply could not find enough shot coverage from on-set to insert into the sequence. I’d be very interested in hearing his thoughts on these fans’ interpretations of the scene. Is there any way you could request an interview with him, Barbara?

  • Jessica

    To the best of my abilities, I do understand what Blake is saying about the idea that House had to do something so totally radical it would completely sever all connections with Cuddy forever. He loves her so much (and always will) that he had to do something borderline insane that she would NEVER take him back and that he could NEVER beg her forgiveness. I get the idea that maybe he knew it was “all or nothing” and that he couldn’t just be friends and colleagues with her, only to watch her move on and find happiness with someone else. He put everything he had into this relationship, he opened up to her, he trusted her, he made himself vulnerable to her. It really was “all or nothing.” I get that rationalization.

    I also totally get House trying to move on, the point of the hairbrush and even him being so devastated when he sees that Cuddy has some guy in her house. He still can’t even process his feelings about it, so he becomes irate and goes ballistic. I get all that. I also thought about what Wilson told the cop, that where he will be will reflect his mood. And the contrast between where everyone THOUGHT House would be to where he actually is.

    Before this interview came out, I assumed that if the last few minutes of “Moving On” were real and House actually did do what the audience witnessed at the end, he would eventually get over his initial emotional “high” and then realize that his actions really didn’t heal him at all, only made things worse for him. As Shore had previously predicted, House is now left worst off than when he started all those years ago. He pretty much destroyed his relationship with the two people he loves most in the world, and his actions of the past few episodes would definitely put his rational mind (and medical career) in question. I just hope the writers are able to successfully tackle if and how House is able to repair those bridges he burned the moment he drove his car into Cuddy’s home.

  • maria-eleni

    82-60plus
    Ohhhhhhhhhhh, I think he is coming out of his shell lately!!
    Have you seen how he described his encounter with the German fans? Hilarious!
    He is certainly not pandering to the fandom.
    LET THEM TALK ………indeed

  • maria-eleni

    83 – Oversimplified

    It is 5.30 in the morning in my country so I need to get some sleep.

    I enjoy our discussion and so after carefully reading your answer I shall come back tomorrow to comment

  • http://barbarabarnett.com barbara barnett

    It’s quite interesting to hear the writers’ reactions to the fans interpreting the crash as homicidal. I have faith that was most definitely not their intention. Editor Scott Hahn must have either unintentionally dropped a shot that clearly depicts the dinner party leaving the dining room or he simply could not find enough shot coverage from on-set to insert into the sequence. I’d be very interested in hearing his thoughts on these fans’ interpretations of the scene. Is there any way you could request an interview with him, Barbara?

    That’s an interesting observation. They did talk about how what is written can appear differently on screen based on a variety of factors–and everything is open to interpretation, of course. But I wonder if that might have happened. It would have only mean the difference of a few seconds of film to change the mood of the shot and the perspective we observe watching the show. They didn’t say it specifically, but it’s certainly possible.

    That would also involve GY’s interpretation of the scene (and HL’s).

    I was discussing the finale with a friend yesterday and we both agreed that instead of House crashing into Cuddy’s it would have been both more in character and dramatically interesting if he’d have kicked Wilson out of the car, driven home, entered his apartment and then completely exploded and basically wrecked all of his belongings including breaking his phone and therefore severing all ties with those around him and symbolically his past, before heading off ‘far, far away’.

    That would have also been an interesting ending. But it’s a take just like theirs or anyone else’s. It’s not for us to decide the story, just to appreciate it (or not). Tune in or not. And of course discuss it (a lot).

  • Brenda

    Thanks for an insightful interview, Barbara. It showed that the writers do care about the viewer’s reaction.
    I, for one, saw it as the writers did. Never did I think House was trying to KILL anyone. In fact, I found that last scene rather amusing.
    Maybe I’m twisted. :)
    House has always been reckless and has kept his feelings bottled up inside for too long. Well, he finally blew his top.
    I will be watching Season 8 to see what happens.

  • Deafbirdseye

    LOL about Taub (both the article and comments) If everyone knew how to practice safe sex, there would be a lot less babies on Earth. Even doctors take stupid risk when it come to sex.

    Anyway, I am not sure how long Taub have been dating this new girl, but I do know guys often don’t wear condom when they are in a long time relationship as long as they know their girlfriend is taking birth control. So I don’t believe it is unrealistic for Taub not to be extra careful when plenty of guys done the same thing. (in some cases, they think the girl was trying to trap or used them).

    And I don’t think it is unrealistic for Taub not wearing a condom with his wife. He’s been married to her and she never wanted children. So I am sure this news threw him offguard. But the wife is wrong to get pregnant without confronting him (afterall she managed over 20 years NOT to get pregnant so she probably wanted a child afterall)

  • lmg0517

    Barbara, thank you for this. I will keep watching while Hugh is there, but thanks to this interview, I have faith again in the writers and believe they will make a better job with our beloved characters next season. I’ll be optimistic and believe acting will continue to be superb, writing will go back to previous seasons awesomeness and House’s character will be redeemed and allowed a little change and happiness. I’m now looking forward to it!!!

  • BeNotAfraid

    I’m thinking the network will decide whether it was a hallucination or real because it all boils down to money, which is derived from selling ads. What company is going to buy ads on a show that tries to justify domestic violence? Isn’t domestic violence a felony in New Jersey?

  • Jane 2

    #46 Somy I worship you! Word to infinity to everything you have said.

    They feel “Huddy’s pain….really? They destroyed one of the core dynamics of the show this season and the reason I watched. That didn’t need to happen to separate Huddy but obviously someone saw it as essential to trample the dynamic to death and PnL at fans as they went.

    Come back for season 8? What on earth for, to see Cuddy’s character trashed in her absence? No thanks. Thinking of the humiliation and degradation Cuddy suffered in “Fall from Grace” I shudder to think of what they will come up with now.

    I would also like to note how two faced I find it that all these people who could barely manage to acknowledge LE all season have suddenly found their voices only now they realise that fans are upset about her leaving and they have a PR problem on their hands.

    What strikes me most about this interview is how they are focussed on House and his emotions to the exclusion of almost all else. IMO this myopic focus has become more apparent the longer the show has run. It is its greatest weakness. A character cannot exist in a vaccuum, a show needs to be an organic entity and this one feels like it has been stunted. By egos or the studio? I don’t know.

    Thanks Barbara for this interview and all your reviews over the years. I may not have agreed with all of them but I’ve always appreciated them.

    Lastly I would like to give a shout out to Mariska Hargitay. That woman is pure class! She sets the bench mark for the way these things should be handled.

    Goodbye House M D.

  • Kana

    Thank you, Barbara, for sharing this interview with us.

    When the finale aired I was horrified by what I saw, and absolutely disturbed by his peaceful smile on that beach, however, after reading this interview I feel like I understand better what the creators/writers were going for, even if it’s not a route I’d have liked to see House go down.

    But now, that scene at the beach is not quite as disturbing to me anymore. Looking back, I’m thinking House is just completely detached from what has happened – his mind is blank and he’s free from his pain for a short time; he hasn’t yet processed what he’s done. And, as the writers said, he’s now effectively destroyed any hope of ever being with Cuddy again, which has been at the heart of his erratic behavior.

    Anyway, I think once he processes what he’s done, this is where the “something needs to change” thing is going to come in. He has gone below rock bottom, and this event might be the catalyst to pull himself together and figure out just it is he wants out of his life.

    I can understand why someone might snap being told for years and years, “you need to change, you need to be better” (I’m still frightened by the whole crashing-his-car-into-Cuddy’s home, but at least it was more than just blind jealousy and rage? And even if he didn’t, as the writers say, intend to hurt anyone, could he really have seen well into the house? He wasn’t in his right frame of mind. What if Rachel had been on the floor playing?)

    Anyway, back to House snapping. Being told he “needs to change” isn’t really going to help unless House knows exactly WHAT he wants to change into. Now, putting himself into this situation, he is also forcing himself to do just that. I hope he takes time to take a real, deep-down look at himself and figure out just what is wrong with his life and what will make him happy (because he obviously wants to be but doesn’t know how yet!)

    At this point he has to make a decision: move on, for real, and live, or self-destruct and die very soon.

    Again, thank you for sharing the interview. I have a little more hope now going into season 8. As this season descended further and further into soap opera territory, I had the feeling that David Shore and the writers were manipulating the show and going for shock value only, but looks like they still do care for their show and its characters? Whether I love or hate the road they go down in season 8, I hope they do whatever feels most real.

  • Deafbirdseye

    I was shocked to see the ending. House is going to have a very hard time justifying it without people thinking it is domestic abuse. He did take alot of medicine and if he had hallucination before, than it is no suprised if he got it again.. I”m sure he is because I don’t know how he got to a tropical beach so fast without the cops catching him. So maybe he is dreaming. That beach is more like his escape from the world fantasy.

  • Deafbirdseye

    btw, I did not think House tried to hurt them physically, She was standing right, shocked, after he hit her house but he did not attack her or anything. So I knew the writer were not aiming for that.

  • Kana

    Also, one thing I will miss in season 8 are the scenes between House and Rachel.

    And regarding Taub. He could have been wearing a condom and his partners could have even been on birth control at the same time and there’d still be a chance of them getting pregnant (a very very small chance, perhaps, but nothing is 100%, heh)

  • http://maddiexb.tumblr.com/ Maddie

    I don’t know…this whole jail thing…medical license…hell going to an institution. We’ve been there with House before. It’s just all boring to me now honestly. And it’s hard to say that because House has always been my favorite show for many years.
    Yeah, I really liked House and Cuddy together but I liked them apart too. And it was almost like the writers forgot how to write them as individuals. Cuddy’s character was basically ruined…I don’t know I almost wish Huddy didn’t happen on this show because it’s all too depressing.
    So he’ll go to jail (he should- he almost killed 5 people- I don’t care what DS says, he easily could have killed someone), he’ll then probably lose his license, and he’ll never get closure with Cuddy. And Cuddy and Wilson were friends so I hope he’s pised off too. As pissed off as I am.
    Also with the season finale, Barbara did you find it interesting? I thought the whole deal with the patient thing was so, so boring. I get that she was suppose to represent House but it was almost…cheesy in a sense.
    I’ve loved reading your reviews. Thanks for the year.

  • G.

    What if Rachel had ran into the room? There’s no way he could’ve seen her. I just can’t even with this–

    This time it seems FUBAR, the show, House himself, his relationships with our two favorite characters. How do they come back from that? That’s rhetorical. I really don’t care because I could care less about House after that finale. He cares enough about himself enough for us all. House is totally unsympathetic now and I feel not the slightest compunction to see the rest of his journey.

  • Blacktop

    Barbara, thank you for another excellent interview. I fin it fascinating to learn how huge the gap is between what the writers say they intended to convey in that final scene and the reality of what we saw on our screens.

    I am more interested in what was delivered on screen than in the after explanations; I’m not a mind reader so there is no way that I could have independently come to the conclusions they hoped I would reach. What I saw was a desperate, angry,jealous and frustrated House deliberately ram his car at full speed in the home of his long time love. The editing of that scene did not suggest to me that House felt confident that all the occupants were safely out of the way. In fact, I feel the intercutting of points of view was deliberately staged to convey that Cuddy and her family were in mortal danger at the time of impact.

    In mentioning that House way seized by rage at seeing Cuddy apparently entertaining a new boyfriend, the writers underline the jealousy angle to House’ violent act. He wanted to hurt Cuddy precisely because, in seeming to move on, she was causing him more pain. This motivation underlines the initial impression I had that was House committed was a clear act of domestic violence, unjustified and brutal.

    A major feature of my fascination with this character has been the juxtaposition of House’s self- destructive impulses with his immense capacity for healing. Now I find that my understanding of the core being of House’s character is not what I had believed it to be all these years. Rather than the disappointed romantic who erected high self protective barriers against emotional contact, I must now conclude that underneath was in fact a person willing to commit murder to release his psychological demons.

    I understand that this violent House is supposed to be the product of beinng pushed to the limits by the crushing failure of his love affair with Cuddy. But in my view these homicidal tendencies were never hinted at before even in passing. There was never a hint that House even joked about killing Stacy after their traumatic break up, was there? As a result, I find that the House of “Moving On” was out of character, that is inconsistent with what we have known of House to this point in time.

    The problem going forward is that without Cuddy, House is beyond redemption.

    As carefully structured over the past seven seasons, she is the only administrator who can plausibly bring him back to PPTH. Likewise, as the victim of his assault, Cuddy is the only one who can exonerate House in the eyes of the law. And perhaps most importantly, Cuddy is the only one who can provide a meaningful form of forgiveness for his grave violence against herself and her home. I am glad that What the Freud noted above how traumatic is the destruction of one’s home. And if Cudfdy is shocked, one can only tremble at imagining how traumatized Rachel will feel upon learning that her home was purposely destroyed by her dear playmate , that scallywag House.

    With Cuddy gone from his life now, House cannot find a way out legally, professionally, morally, or personally. Of course I am assuming that plausibility will reign next season, which is a shaky thing to do I know.

  • Luc

    I’ve come to the conclusion that many fans have simply not been following the same House as the one that was being written. Apparently there has been enough ambiguity in the characterization of House for a very large number of the fan base to have been confused and simply never seen House in this light. Now that we understand that the House we’ve loved is not real, we too can move on. Perhaps this episode was a success in that it freed so many from the delusions we’ve been under for seven years. I may just go to Figi myself.

  • http://blogcritics.org/video/article/digging-into-the-house-season-finale1/ j.i.m.

    I couldn’t read past page 1 where Mr. Blake euphemistically referred to House’s act of using his car as a bulldozer to destroy Cuddy’s occupied home as “the car crash” followed by “it would be better to go out on a bang”.

    I suppose House MD has been supported by the appropriate network all along, Fox.

  • Shawn

    You know, people for years have been telling me to talk about it, to let it out, that I need to work through what I’m feeling. I just got laid off and I’m alone and miserable. I feel empowered now that I know running into my exes House will provide some much needed relief. I can’t wait to have these burdens lifted. Who knew it would be so easy?

  • The Real Remy

    Barbara,

    Let’s assume for a moment that FOX/NBCU somehow manages to convince Lisa E. to return next season for a guest-spot (or more) to bring closure to her character. In your honest opinion, after the terrible events of “Moving On,” would Cuddy ever reach a point of being able to truly forgive House for his actions? Notwithstanding my belief that House needs to suffer some consequences for his extremely reckless behavior, I’d hate to think that his 25-year relationship with Cuddy has forever gone to ruin.

  • peggy06

    It’s pretty simple. If you have to take such pains to explain your story, you’ve failed artistically. The last we had heard between House and Cuddy, he wanted to know if she was dating anyone. He also admitted he was hurt, though saying (oddly) it wasn’t her fault. It’s not an unreasonable inference for us that when he then sees her with another man, and immediately responds with rage, that he is acting out of jealousy.

    Not that the alternative, offered by the writers and DS, is much more palatable. Wanting to put an absolute end to it because he can’t control his feelings isn’t justification for destroying someone else’s home and risking injury to anyone who happened to be in the way. The show wants us to take this at face value, as in, nobody was hurt or killed so it’s just House acting out. But this wasn’t a stunt driver in control, it was supposed to be a man pushed to the edge. No way could he calmly assess the situation and take appropriate action if needed. They want it both ways, he was overwrought and reacted on impulse, but he was careful to make sure he only did property damage. I guess he even made sure not to hit a bearing wall – maybe his next career move OUGHT to be stunt driving, with those skills.

    I’d say they did to the audience what House did to Cuddy. They wanted out of this misbegotten relationship that consumed and IMO ruined most of 2 and a half seasons. Just having them break up wasn’t going to make it go away, as fans would always speculate or agitate about House and Cuddy getting back together. So they made it impossible by having House assault her. Nice going. If this wasn’t part of why Lisa E. left, the irony is huge. They could actually have had a credible, emotional, adult ending that would leave the show’s basic premise (House as a practicing doctor) intact. Now they are going to have to jump through hoops to get back there. Given the track record since S6, I don’t have a lot of faith that it’ll be handled well.

    Moral of the story, stop writing by deciding on Point B (especially high-concept, shocking Point B) and then working backwards to Point A. Forget romance plots, they don’t work with the cynicism and studied bleakness of the show. Revisit House the doctor in pain who eschews relationships and obsesses about the diagnosis, because that’s who he is. That’s his version of happiness.

  • Larry Potter

    @ 75 Peachie : That’s one sweet explanation for the fiasco now known as Hs7f (House season 7 finale – like the H1N1 swine flu virus). The entire last six seasons could be interpreted as house’s coma time and season 8 he can wake up and change dramatically after being left with the emotional scars of his comatose life. I like that.

  • Anon

    I am not a Huddy so it matters little to me whether LE comes back or not but I’m royally pissed at the answers Blake and Lingenfelter provided for this finale. Using artistic license and giving the viewer the option to conclude is great but what transpired on the finale was completely different from what the writers are attempting to explain. What do you mean ” we did not think of it as homicidal at all”? How can ramming a car into a house full of occupants not homicidal? How are we supposed to understand that House’s intention was to let off steam and not hurt Cuddy when the episode clearly shows him parking his car in her dining room? The rest of their answers were ambiguous at best and poorly articulated besides being a steaming pile of excuses.

  • housemaniac

    Thanks for the illuminating interview, Barbara. I do have a problem with a few things the writers said, but the only thing that *really* bothers me is that they (and many fans) seem to think the only issue is whether or not House *intended* to cause harm when he crashed his car into Cuddy’s house. Obviously, this is important from a characterological point of view. But in the eyes of the law, even if House did not intend to cause harm (which would be hard enough to prove), he could have caused harm, and this is enough to make this a very serious crime, one much more serious than mere property damage. What if Cuddy or someone else forgot a dish and rushed back into the room at the wrong moment? What if little Rachel was sitting on the floor and House couldn’t see her? Etc. The law’s perspective on this is that there is no way that House could have known for sure that he would not harm anybody.

    My point is that if the show wants to maintain even a facsimile of reality, there will have to be SERIOUS LEGAL CONSEQUENCES for House. He will have to be punished one way or another (by having to go to jail or a psych ward). Either way, I don’t think this makes for very interesting material for this particular show. Jail is no place for a doctor and the pscyh ward –been there, done that. If, on the other hand, TPTB ignore the legal consequences, that has its own repercussions for the believability of the show. (Actually, I doubt they’ll ignore the legal consequences based on Shore’s comments.) I can’t get this out of my mind, and I am very frustrated by it.

  • Take Five

    Right on, Anon. Thanks for having my back.

  • @ maria-eleni

    @ maria-eleni: I’ve seen “Amadeus.” Great piece of work. This isn’t the same thing as watching a tragedy in a play or in a movie that lasts a couple of hours; that is different from experiencing one that takes up years of your life in a TV series. Many of us have watched this show for years and years, hoping for some good things for House. Not for him to change fundamentally or be a happy person, but to make some sort of gains and growth. But we’ve been told that won’t happen. And the show the past two seasons has been so dark and dreary and negative it’s depressing watching it as “entertainment” if there’s nothing you’re getting back. I watched for House and I loved Cuddy and House/Cuddy & House/Cuddy/Wilson. They’ve said here they deliberately chose to irrevocably destroy House/Cuddy. I get the feeling it was all David Shore’s plan and the writers had to implement it whether they wanted to or not. So we got to watch that this season. Yippee! We watched him crashing into the house, effectively destroying the dynamic between H/C/W and Cuddy’s now gone. Check to one more thing I loved about the show being gone. And they made House risk people’s lives in a sudden burst of rage. Worst of all he could’ve killed Rachel. Kids run around the house all the time and she’s too little for him to see from his vantage point in the car. Then he went to a beach and some time later was smiling and content, showing no remorse for what he’d done. Not a glimmer of conscience. He HAS changed. He’s now somebody I could care less about. Check to the final thing I would watch the show for being destroyed. My point is, I don’t want to watch a show after the show runner deliberately ruins everything I loved about it. What’s in it for me? Nothing. There’s nothing left for me to watch for. He took away everything I cared about. He chose to do it. He should’ve thought of that, of what his fans love, before he did that.

    Also, potentially killing someone, a group of people, including a child (who he SEEMED to care for and bond with in the previous episode), is a far cry from being verbally brash and cruel. In the end, if Cuddy couldn’t handle it, she would’ve gotten rid of him. Same with Wilson.

    Finally I want to say that while I don’t plan on watching the show anymore unless Cuddy comes back and they fix things, that because the writers showed that they actually cared about us, that actually swayed me for a moment. That is the one bright spot in this mess. Every writer on Twitter seems nice to the fans. But in the end it’s David Shore’s show and they have to do what he wants. And we can see what he wanted and what his plans for House in the future are. He’s told us in multiple interviews since “Bombshells” aired. And that’s even if I liked and cared about House anymore. Which he made sure I didn’t.

  • kitkat

    Why would House get jealous of that simple dinner Cuddy had? It didn’t look like a date to me , or even a double date. They didn’t kiss or hug or had a romantic dinner, in fact it looked to me like they were in the midst of playing pictionary (lol) How were we to understand that House was jealous? Crazy writers….

  • 77

    So in the next “exciting” season they might make Wilson dean, which makes sense because really besides Cuddy, who else will hire him back? So he gets to fill Cuddy’s shoes. Which he can’t do because he’s not Cuddy. They are not interchangeable characters. But they don’t have anyone else who will give him a job now that Lisa is gone. Which ruins the show more, especially after the way they ended things in the finale.

    House shouldn’t even be hired back, but he will be because they have to have him practicing medicine. Wilson is angry at him, lectures him, and House has to try to repair the friendship, something we’ve already seen in season 5, I honestly could care less about seeing it again. And Wilson will cave, like always, and be the pushover enabler he’s always been. How long did it take last time for Wilson and House to reconcile? 5 episodes? I’d say that or half a season and they’re buddies again. House may or may not face jail time, like we’ve already seen in season 3 with Tritter, or he’ll not have to because Cuddy’s not around to press charges, but in the end he still has to work his way back to practicing medicine again, like the first part of season 6. The themes are all going to be retreads of ground they’ve already covered, they’ll just be variations on a theme. All in all, uninteresting. Oh and by mid-season or so we’ll get House popping pills and solving puzzles again, miserable and the same boring stuff we’ve seen a zillion times already. No growth because he can’t change. Just more misery for us and him. After that finale and everything they’ve decided to do with the storyline recently and after reading this article, from two of their writers-who were quite affable, I’ll give them that-I’m ready now to leave the show. I’m glad for those who can rationalize the finale events and be excited about the new “opportunities” for “exploration” they’ll get next season. I know they genuinely are absorbed in the character no matter what. I loved him too. But that was before his antics in Out of the Chute onward.

  • G-Ma House

    Thank-you Barbara for the wonderful interview. I for one, (and I do feel like one in a sea of unhappy fans) enjoyed the finale immensely. I had a feeling House was on the road to explode at some point because he was truly incapable of dealing with his screwed up emotions. He was treating his emotional symptoms (without much success) in order to deny the underlying condition.
    I call House driving through Cuddy’s house his Iconic Moment, he finally expressed his true feelings and vented his anger. Like Wilson throwing the bottle through the stained glass, it was an impulse. Did he know he was going to do that? Probably not, but like Wilson it also freed him of his emotional pain and allowed him to move on. Of course, House can do things like a normal person, he even has to turn his Iconic Moment up to 11. Where he moves on to next season is the question, one I am very anxious to see.

  • Stepinmud

    5 counts of attempted murder, trespassing, not to mention drug abuse and deteriorating mental state. If season 8 will feature alien abductions , I’m done with the show. They totally ruined my favorite tv character. So unfair

  • Julia

    Thanks for this interview Barbara, it was interesting.

    I didn’t enjoy the finale.
    The episode in itself (before the crash I mean) was good but disappointing as a finale. The parallel between the potw and House was interesting but too heavy-handed. The Taub storyline was just stupid.

    And about the crash twist … I hated it, for the reasons that many people have already mentioned before. I get the idea of House losing it, it makes sense, but this was just… too much. For the first time ever, I really dislike House, despite his motivations.

    I also agree with those saying that if the writers have to explain dozens of times that no, House didn’t want to kill anybody, maybe they (or the director or the editor) didn’t do their job very well to begin with. For example, KL explained on twitter that Rachel was at Arlene and that this is stated in the teaser – ok, but how was House supposed to know it?

    Since this storyline was going to be so risky and divisive (and I hope they anticipated this), they could at least have set these details straight.

    So, at the moment I’m kind of angry with House and with the show, but I’ll watch S8, as I still want to give them both the chance to redeem themselves. But I’m sorry to say I don’t have a lot of trust left.

    And then, with Lisa Edelstein leaving, I know that there’s no redemption possible for House and Cuddy’s 25 year long friendship. And, I admit, this saddens me incredibly. :(

  • memento mori

    I want to say that Peter Blake is cool. A lot of us like him a great deal. But he and Thomas Moran urged people who were upset after Bombshells to keep watching. We did. And look where that led to. Episodes full of sadness and misery, culminating in the death of Huddy in a horrible way that made House irredeemable to many. It’s not like we waited and things turned out better. They got considerably worse. There’s no way I want to put myself through more of that. Much as I like him.

  • Johnathan

    So next season starts with house facing charges and the district DA is going full force after him because House is behaving like a total dickhead (as per), when the DA finds that his three year old daughter is ill with some unidentifiable rare condition, none of the top doctors are able to diagnose her , let alone treat what she has when Wilson comes into the picture and recommends House. The DA laughs at his face but relents at his daughter’s deathbed. House finds out what she has and quietly saves her. THIS SHOULD HAPPEN OVER A FEW EPISODES AND NOT JUST ONE…how’s that for a season eight opener?

  • housemaniac

    Jonathan: I like it! Less frustrated now. :)
    As for pressing charges, Cuddy already gave a police report — that’s enough for the state to bring a criminal case against House. The police were asking Wilson where House might be, i.e. they were looking for him! Besides, Shore said there would be legal consequences, so this is not just a matter of whether Cuddy is around. I think we need to think more creatively ala Jonathan.

  • housemaniac

    Sorry Johnathan. I just spelled your name incorrectly — twice!

  • Paul.s

    @ 113 – G-Ma House :
    I don’t understand your rationale to House’s reckless behavior. What you call “Iconic moment” is illegal in all contiguous plus the district,Alaska and Hawaii. Advocating that kind of behavior is dangerous besides being seriously wrong, lots of unbalanced people might think it’s a good way to let off steam instead of seeking therapy. House could have chosen to hit the bottle, go on a destruction rampage at his apartment like someone here suggested or even turn to God (haha, I’m an atheist , please don’t ride me) , most people post breakup just listen to sad music and cry a lot, or date as many people as possible to try and forget. Crashing a car into a house is not OK, they could have found their shock value elsewhere.

  • Kellie

    I’m liking Johnathan’s story line, it’s a fine way to worm House out of the mess he got tangled in. I think Wilson should be an interim dean of medicine until a new one comes along if only to facilitate getting House back on the job.

  • buborek

    Thank you for this interview Barbara. I like your questions, and I like the answers. I like the way they share with you and us their work and their reasoning, the way they have to deal with the “handicaps”. And I like how they react to the feelings of the viewers. They wanted to show us things but a lot of us perceive it another way. I perceived it another way but I understand their reasoning.
    The fact is that this season, I’m more interested with the reviews and the comments of the reviews than in the episodes…

  • Bea

    I just finished reading it. I’m trying to understand their reasons Barbara and on some levels I see what they are doing and why, but I keep thinking they had pushed him to the limit a little too much. I mean, for the sake of drama they come up with this ultimate gesture of self-destructiveness and despair that ultimately caused millions of viewers and reviewers to find it all unrealistic and pointless. Huddy needed a better closure than that, I must agree on this. Even if House didn’t crash into Cuddy’s home with the intention of killing her or anyone closed to her, the psychopatic gesture of a mind suffering a severe break-down remains. And I just don’t think House was meant to go down that path of insanity once more, given all the way he had gone and all the things he had come through. People might not change altogether, but life, love, friendships, deaths and pain change their way of thinking and ultimately their acts can’t be the same anymore.

    So if they wanted to do something really impressive on my mind it would have been so much effective and heartbreaking seeing House doing to Cuddy’s house the same thing he did in Wilson’s office for the Fix. That was really heartbreaking. I mean if he had kicked her door open and smashed it to the ground to her desbielief and then had started smashing all her stuff, rather than asnwering to her questions. I don’t mean like a psycho, I mean like a man feeling deeply hurt. That would have surely made an impact: can you see Cuddy asking him endlessly why and what is he doing and him finally breaking down answering her question, one after the other, but keeping on destroying her house, smashing her things, using his cane to put into pieces things he might have bought her for instance? Wouldn’t that had been so much more heartbreaking and realistic? Like ok, he’s self-destructive and even a little bit out-of-himself at the moment but he’s expressing his anger and he’s doing it in a Housian but never-seen kind of way.
    Wouldn’t it have been so much better if, rather than wanting to get out with a bang, they had settled for something more “realistic” that didn’t mean next season had to be about fugitive House?
    IDK Barbara, I read the whole interview and they are just don’t buying me. I still can’t understand it all. Did they do it for the ratings? Hoping they would get better? And what about the whole promotional campaign Yaitanes build up “Huddy will have proper closure”…”There’s a surprise in the end of the ep”, I feel jerked around really. First of all, this time they spoiled us the whole finale basically. We knew pretty much everything that would happene even if we weren’t aware of why, which was per se, kinda not fun. Secondly, Lisa’s announcement of her sudden leaving hit us, one week right before this finale, predictably spoiling the mood and casting a whole different light on the whole thing. Couldn’t they wait any longer for this? I mean, I’m not blaming Lisa of course, I love the womana and I back her up on this if rumors are true, but….it really couldn’t come out on a worst time.

    Finally, how can they possibly ask us to keep watching or even think we might end up being intrigued if they keep on ripping off everything we love about this show, this character and this couple just in order to be one of a kind show? ‘Cause ultimately I feel like something is off here. They explored Huddy, but they never really unraveled it they way they should. Reviews around the web speak volumes: trather than showing us to people trying to preserve their indipendece but being together, rather than showing us what love always does to people, get them grow and change (and Shore can’t possibly really believe love doesn’t do that, cause just as much as friendship or whatever kind of strong, overwhelming emotion you’re lucky to feel in your life it does. It truly does and I really can’t see how he can deny that)…I was saying rather than exploring what they could be in a bitter-sweet kind of way, they gave up on it, on ep 15 for what? Gren-card marriage? Taub’s love-life?

    I don’t think they should focus on Huddy the whole season of course, but some questions are still to be answered IMO. For instance what I don’t understand of the way Shore seems to have start seeing House is: I’ve always thought of House as a romantic hero myself. Someone who’s willing to do what it takes if he thinks that’s the right thing to do. Someone who’s willing to risk his career, his life, his little world to get shattered, in order to do the right thing, which usually, ultimately, fits with the most rational thing to do. House usually just do the math. Chances are…and he throws himself in it headlong. So, why aren’t they using the ethical dilemma anymore? Why giving up on it? Why can’t House and Cuddy have issues at being together because of that? ‘Cause he ultimately have the guts to go where others can’t? How you redeem it from where he’s now? I’m not even thinking on “how” they are gonna do it on the show. I’m thinking to the audience. How do you redeem a character from what he actually did on this season finale to his audience? Inevitably, people gape and shrug and ultimately say “whatever”, this is not what I have started watching anymore, you following me? There are just some “things” to twisted to be even just interesting IMO. And we loved many eps this season that had nothing to be with being “bang” “kaboom” or whatever, but we loved them cause they were working, conceptually and visually. I fear they just want to be original and they are forgetting the real things that made this character and this show so loved around the world and that scares me, cause IDK whether I can trust this creative team anymore at this point. Even the answers they give you sounds, just like Shore’s to Ausiello, ready-made. I see what they mean but I don’t see how they can possibly think a worldwide audience can agree on that.

    How do you justify a man, barging into an ex-girfriend’s home, floundering a gun to the roof and shooting randomly even if he’s not pointing the gun at her? What’s the difference with what they did? That it’s supposed to feel like he’s lashing out for his own good and sort of funny ’cause he ends up in Fiji at sunset?

  • Bea

    PS I didn’t mean to sound bitter BB, sorry if it sounds that way, I saw you complained up there for some being nasty. I’m just seeking for some answers.

    Thanks for the interview BTW :)

  • DanieGermany

    I think it’s always not a good sign when the writers of an episode have to do a lot of explaining, what they wanted to say in a scene (like the car-crash scene).
    For me it’s clear that even though House saw the party move towards the living-room, he just couldn’t be sure that someone would come back or little Rachel was playing in the dining-room while he drove aways and than pull around. For me it was just a really idiotic move by the writers to do the scene like this.
    I’m a mom myself and I’m sure there are lots of moms in the audience who asked themselves that same question: What if little Rachel was still playing there or running around in the dining room ?
    I think with this act and that beach scene, they pushed House over the edge of being the vulnerable, likable jerk wer felt sympathy for.
    I really liked the hallway-scene between House and Cuddy, which was really beautifully shot and – knowing LE was leaving – I really cried so hard for the first time watching House (and I’ve seen all episodes), screaming : House and Cuddy just belong together, I want her to stay ! But when I saw Cuddy with that pale, colorless bank guy in the dining room, I was angry at her, which never happened before. And when House crashed the car into her House I really though he wanted to kill the love of his life (plus possibly Rachel and the others too) and I was angry at him (which also never happened before, I always felt a great deal of sympathy for him) and thought: What kind bull*it is this? What kind of idiot made that stuff up. This is all so out of character for both Cuddy and House, it’s just disgusting! House and Cuddy have known and cared for each other for 25 years and it took the show 6 (!) years to finally get them together, to break them up after 15 episodes of lame storylines (all I can say is toothbrush and toilet seat) almost zero romance, physical affection and not a handfull of deeper conversations (Huddy could have been handled in a much deeper, more meaningful way IMO) and now they expect us to buy that they are leaving each other in hatred?!
    Well, I’m gonna watch House until the end, but for me House and Cuddy always have been endgame. Huddy was always the most enjoyable part of the show for me together with the House/Wilson scenes. Never cared too much about the team and I certainly don’t care about how many women Taub can get knocked-up in a week. Now that Lisa E (who I still hope will change her mind to at least come back as a guest) is gone, I only watch for Hugh, because he’s my hero and the best actor ever. But beyond that, for me the air is out of the show…but perhaps the writers will surprise us all and pull off a real good S08, who knows….I’ll definately keep watching…

  • AreKay

    As I write this, I’ve read through 103 comments and the vast majority seem to echo my thoughts exactly.

    Even after the “explanation” from the writers, we simply can’t reconcile the certainly flawed House who has been coming into our homes every week for seven years with the House who deliberately rams his car into Cuddy’s occupied home.

    Most of us decided early on that the only plausible explanation was that this was a dream/fantasy but David Shore assures us that that is not the case.

    Shore’s (and House’s) mantra has always been “people don’t change”. But we’ve seen “our” House change from being reckless in a hospital setting where the ultimate goal is healing to a House who is capable of endangering totally innocent lives.

    Because I love House (the man and the show) I am really afraid to begin watching Season 8. This probably will be House’s last season and the Season 7 finale has left him past the point of no return. While I don’t really expect a “happily ever after” ending, I don’t want my beloved House to end in a deep, dark abyss.

  • D

    @Paul.s
    “I’m just pointing out that for a lot of people, house’s behavior seemed a little erratic and sudden, instead of the slow building, emotional volcano culminating in a massive eruption the writers intended to convey”

    This. I’m really looking forward to watching the season in one go. There were a lot of week-to-week breaks.

    I haven’t yet seen an opposing attitude towards the finale that made sense within the scope of the show. From their point of view, if they don’t agree with what House did, they can’t like or watch him anymore. I guess I am different, but I don’t see the correlation between liking House, the person, and liking House, the show.

  • Robin

    Quoting Peggy06, comment #105:
    “Moral of the story, stop writing by deciding on Point B (especially high-concept, shocking Point B) and then working backwards to Point A. Forget romance plots, they don’t work with the cynicism and studied bleakness of the show. Revisit House the doctor in pain who eschews relationships and obsesses about the diagnosis, because that’s who he is. That’s his version of happiness.”

    Well said Peggy, and I agree completely.

    I’m of two minds about this finale, and it’s driving me as crazy as House seems to be now (pun intended). It’s the same problem I’ve had with the series since the end of ‘Broken’.

    Since House left Mayfield we’ve watched him struggling to become what our culture considers normal. He’s done his best to turn into what the people around him keep telling him they want him to be: a more openly compassionate and emotionally honest man who is able to have real relationships.

    But as Peggy pointed out, there’s the rub. This series was never constructed as a drama so much as a bleak tragedy, IMO anyway. House has one true fatal flaw: he cannot face pain, his or anyone else’s. This makes it impossible for him to truly change in the way everyone keeps pushing him to do.

    Now that’s a great setup for great stories. And here’s the difficulty: while I think I can see what the writers *intended* in the storyline since the end of S5, what comes across in the finished version on the small screen is often quite different.(Subtitles indeed!) I can see where the writers *intended* a slow buildup to that final moment of pure impulsive, no-holds-barred rage; what we saw instead was a character we thought we knew being twisted so far OOC as to be unrecognizable. And I think it’s down to what Peggy pointed out: high-concept, shocking point B takes precedence over point A. By going solely for shock value (that crazy House–what will he do next?), the logic of the storyline vanishes, and all we’re left with is an ever-escalating series of scenes meant to freak us out and keep us glued to the screen to see what happens next.

    The problem is, that approach won’t work with this series and this fandom. I think most of us could care less about insane stunts like driving a monster truck through the streets of Princeton, or driving a car into an ex’s dining room. What we want is GENUINE action resulting from real thought and emotion from the characters we’re watching–you know, the kind of thing we’ve gotten in past seasons. I liked someone’s suggestion that House could have gone back to Baker Street and trashed his place, culminating with the disconnection of his phone; it would have been far more in keeping with House’s first tendency, as shown on numerous occasions in previous seasons, to turn his anger and pain on himself. I could see House smashing the first guitar he ever owned, doing so methodically and mechanically, and it would have caused far more pain and horror to me as a viewer than seeing him crash into Cuddy’s dining room (which horrified me in a different way–House deliberately putting people’s lives in danger? NO WAY).

    Do I believe House has lost his mind? Yes. Do I believe he had to become a destructive monster to do it? No.

    I think Barbara mentioned Wilson talking about how bad things got after Stacy left, and his being terrified of House returning to that state of mind. I think that’s a valid point, but can we assume House was so far gone then that he would have endangered peoples lives? I’m not sure that’s true. I think he would have been more of a danger to himself, and Wilson’s fear would be about House committing suicide in some way–whether it was by drinking himself to death, getting beaten in a bar and bleeding out, or overdosing on painkillers. Yeah, he would have lashed out at the people around him, but probably mainly verbally, as he’s always done. He’d save the real destruction for himself, and it’s easy to see why Wilson would be scared of House returning to that state.

    Often in the interviews with the writers and the production crew, I get this sense of excitement about the technical side of things–the really cool stunts they’re able to set up, the lighting, the CGI, and so on. That takes us back to the high-concept, shocking point B problem. I’d like to see some of that excitement transferred to the writing side of things, so that in the next season we get a storyline that’s worth watching.

    I hate seeing my beloved House turned into a monster for the sake of shock value. I’ll be watching next season because I love Hugh Laurie’s work, and I want to see Greg House redeemed by his own efforts to confront the darkness within him. What I DON’T want to see is more high-concept shocking point B moments and bigger better explosions.

  • Blablabla

    Writers should have thought about a car crash in an empty house, it’s not really difficult to imagine a scene with Cuddy and her guests (and of course, rachel) leaving her house (and House looking sadly at them in his car). I understand House’s madness but not how writers bring the car crash scene with ppl around. I can understand fans reactions, it’s an another mistake (after getting House and Cuddy together).

  • Libby

    OH FOR PETE”S SAKE PEOPLE, IT’S A TV SHOW!

    I totally get how House could feel such irrational rage over the fact that he is again on the outside looking in at the place where he has wanted to be for so long, and that he could drive a car into the HOUSE of his former lover.

    IT’S A METAPHOR, GET USED TO IT.

    The show is full of metaphors. Things mean something to HOUSE; his balls on his desk, his cane, Cuddy’s lipstick in the hallucination episode, Cuddy’s desk from school, etc. There is symbolism and meaning in everything. Cuddy has cut HOUSE out of her personal life. She has cut him more deeply than even he himself can cut, and his reaction is not intellectually reasoned out, it is on a purely emotional level. He feels such massive pain he can’t think straight. What does HOUSE do when he feels pain? He tries to run FROM the source of the pain. This time he literally runs INTO the source of the pain.

    He has been on the outside of Cuddy’s life (her HOUSE, it’s a metaphor) looking in for 7 years and finally he gets to be in her life (her HOUSE, it’s a metaphor) for a little while and then he is on the outside again. Seeing someone else in her HOUSE was the trigger that allowed him to feel his pain and he exploded. Right now he’s not feeling any pain on the beach in Fiji or wherever he is. He’s just had a huge explosion (what happens when something explodes? everything is propelled outward at a high rate of speed) and he’s at peace. It’s like an orgasm, feeling gets more and more intense until it explodes. But for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and the pain will come back. How that happens will be fascinating to watch. I’m looking forward to seeing season 8 of the TV SHOW, HOUSE, which happens to be the most fascinating show on television.

  • Julia

    122 – Buborek

    They wanted to show us things but a lot of us perceive it another way. I perceived it another way but I understand their reasoning.

    Exactly, this is another thing that really bothers me. I’ve seen their videolog and read this interview and I appreciate their reasoning and understand what they mean.

    But my reaction was clearly not the one they wanted.

    They wanted us to think that House’s gesture was surely wrong and extreme but understandable: he finally releases his anger, he lets go, he chooses a way to finally move on from Cuddy forever… a ‘breakthrough’ moment, a liberating act.

    And indeed, many people perceived it exactly like that.

    Unfortunately, even more people (like me) hated House for doing this, no matter his reasons, and as a consequence don’t really care now what will happen with him now. As Matt Roush of TV Guide says: “who in their right mind would come back to House, or House, at this point?”.

    I know this isn’t true for the 100% of the viewers, but surely this is not the reaction they were expecting.

    And tbh, they don’t seem to get why we so many people were frustrated by this finale, so much that at the question about the negative reaction, they answered ‘well, we know Huddy fans are disappointed but this had to be an episode when really House put a wall between them’. Ok, but this WASN’T the problem we all had with the finale really.

    And when Barbara insisted, asking them about how they could come back from there, they replied ‘well, that’s what S8 will be about’. Again, ok, but don’t you realize that many people are so angry over this finale that, at the moment, they don’t care about S8 at all?

    I’m sorry to sound bitter, I know that many fans who are angry now will still end up tuning in next season (I’ll do lol), but these writer, albeit very nice, seem so… clueless.

  • juliet5210

    0ne of the sad things about Season 7 is that House used to excell in arresting opening episodes and also finales. To my mind Episode 1 this season was the dullest start of a potentially enthralling love affair I have ever seen! And the final episode lost a great deal of its audience in the last few minutes by a KABOOM boysy action sequence of tenuous validity. Bet LE’s glad she’s out of it. I’m firmly with the FREE HUGH LAURIE campaign…!

  • Anne DiZio

    As always, Barbara, reading your article on the Season 7 finale was like a balm to the hurt and sadness I felt after watching it. Of course, I am onboard for Season 8 (and as emotionally invested in the show as ever). I am also happy to hear that these writers expressed an interest in having Cuddy return to House for at least on episode of Season 8 to bring closure and to give us fans the opportunity to express our appreciation and admiration for her remarkable work throughout the series. Her energy, enthusiasm, her intelligence, insight, her ability to collaborate and honor the work of her partners, and her courageousness was one of the bedrocks of this series. Also, it seems that the other cast members and crew feel a great deal of affection for her. So thank you for bringing the writers to help us with our processing and, of course, for your marvelous input.

  • http://barbarabarnett.com Barbara barnett

    Thank you all for this phenomenal, passionate discussion. I have read every comment with intense interest.

    I do believe we will see legal ramifications and emotional fallout. Ive been tho linking about house’s smile and his earlier statement about how he feels–I feel nothing. I think #94 (?) is right. House is right now detached from what he did, and the impact has not hit him.

  • Penelope

    I hope the writers can also feel the pain of longtime viewers who have never liked Huddy and write S8 with us in mind. For example, I’m so upset seeing Wilson ignored, marginalized and/or written sloppily over the Huddy years. Although I don’t buy that House’s mind was rational enough to figure out that no one in the house would be hurt (especially while performing such an irrational act), I want to see the fallout from that act and not see it turned into a hallucination. Now, please writers, you’ve got RSL for S8. Use him.

  • BrokenLeg

    Barbara,
    The discussion is not out!!There are many many loose ends there

  • http://barbarabarnett.com Barbara barnett

    Broken leg, not sure what you mean. The discussion should, and needs to continue. I was just remarking on it’s excellence, on both sides.

  • Housefan72

    Thank you, Barbara for this interview! It was really needed and you did an excellent job chosing your questions to the writers. And they clearly did their best to answer them.
    I saw in their answers the distress they feel to fans/viewers reaction and we discover they never really measure the potential danger of bringing House to such an edge of craziness.
    I loved the way they described the circomstances that drove to his moment of craziness, I loved how they described his feelings and his reactions to what the others expected from him. And how the POTW affected him. I can also understand where and why they wanted to make House do an incredible crazy thing to cut off any possibility between him and Cuddy to get back together or have any other interaction. On my second watch of this episode, I figured that out. I figured the symbolic meaning of the hair brush and the symbolic meaning of delivering it to her. I also get how things got crazzy in his mind when he saw Cuddy dinning sereine with her sister and a new man. At that moment his peacefully intentions of just accepting their breakdown and move on suddenly basculated in an escaladation of anger, cause, House, being House, could only imagine the worth from what he just saw through that window. The writers makes clear even at symbolic level how different the reallity is and always has been for him, compared to the others. That window, that separates their two realities (his and Cuddy’s) it’s the same through which he had watched at the end of “The Itch” unable to enter her world. Now, this same window is like a frontier between his soul which is crashed from their breakdown and the one of Cuddy, who, in his eyes, was able to REALLY move on. And of course, this is the final straw for him, this he can’t handle anymore and he does that crazzy thing to just “take control” over his emotions, as wired as this may seem, he just need to know there will be no come back from there, no hope for him and Cuddy ever. I don’t think he does it rationally, I think the instinct takes over him. I get it. But they should have found another way to express it. They should have found another way to achieve that.
    Whatever ther reasons and the pain House felt, this act is a criminal one, and the fact the writters didn’t think for one moment House had any intention to hurt anyone in the process, doesn’t excuse the fact that it could. Their explanation about how he sees inside the dinning room, and how he knows there is no one there, may work for those fans who want to try making sense of anything, it doesn’t make sense in the real world. They really damaged the character with this move. It really crossed the line between being self destructive to being a real danger for the others. He is not the one who does crazy things for a greater good anymore, he is just a crazy guy who put in danger the life of five people.
    This said, the writers don’t want to spoil us telling if yes or no House will finally get up from there, or if this will only be temporary, or if he will simply end up comminting suicide, cause lower than where he got, it’s just commiting suicide. Personally, I love House because for me he’s “the most amazing man I ever known”, a broken man with a great heart and with huge issues in showing his emotions. But the House I love, would have never drove his car in the house of someone, even less the one of the woman he loves. I’m not sure I’ll be able to watch next season. I would if I would know House will find some kind of peace and hapiness (in a housian way). But I would surely not continue to invest in this character if the intention of the writers is to never let him evolved, to make him failed every single attempt to make his life better in a forced and always increesing shocking way. I won’t continue to invest if this is only to tell us House is unable to be in a relationship even though we were already let known he was with Stacy for five years.
    I get where the writers wanted to bring us, but I don’t like their ways. With Lisa Edelstein leaving the show for whatever reason, their relationship will never get a proper closure. Even if they do manage to have her as guest for one episode, this will only make a forced story, one more added to the out of character break up they made Cuddy commit. I won’t add much on Cuddy, even though I think they did her character great injustice both last season and this one starting with the breakup. But I would respectfully ask you if you think, given the fact that Cuddy’s character will never have the chance to get a proper closure, if you think you could get an interview with some of the writers to discuss the way they saw Cuddy’s character and to explain to us, like they did with House of this episode, how Cuddy get from “I don’t want you to change” to break up with him so abruplty, without any chance given to him to explain why in that particular moment he had behave like that, with any fight, for then to provoke him at the end of the season to have that fight…Only one example of what seemes so OOC concenring Cuddy for me. I know I could get the opinions of fans who didn’t find her OOC, but I would so much like to have the approach of the writers on this, and not in a superficial way of kind: she deserves so much better that a guy like House…Also, I felt like crying when the writers told us they are feeling our pain about Cuddy, cause they surely don’t! They would have never damaged her character so deeply if they did!
    Well, I will end up here, really a great thank you for this excellent interview, thanks to the writers for their unusual open answers and I really hope they are right and that House is still worth watching. Because right now, I really don’t feel like it would.

  • The End

    Critics and fans seem to agree in large numbers. This was a turn that removed the like-ability of the character. It was an unnecessary “closure” to a relationship that had never been written to go anywhere so was already dead. And the open agression – regardless of intent of the writers – negated the vulnerbility of House that made him an appealing character.

    Pushing House to express his anger is not an unbelievable direction for them to turn. If the needed the visual awe factor of the crash (which these people seem to need more than the audience), he could have crashed into his own place, destroyed his own life, shown that he was leaving behind everything he once was. No matter how you feel about Huddy, they wrote her as being of value to him. They now are saying in a fit of blind jealousy and rage, tempered with enough sanity to properly calculate if anyone would be injured and enough phycial acuity to stop if required, he endangers the life of her. Since Wilson had to jump out of the way, which is why he hurt his arm, it appears he too was in danger of being run over. Since their episode release says House would do something that may change the relationship with both Wilson and Cuddy, we were and are expected to believe the both were in danger. It’s not about “Huddy” fans. House put people in danger. Two of them were people he supposedly loves. The fact that HE didn’t know from what WE SAW that A child was not present makes it worse. House is no longer tortured and selfidestructive alone, even with a hint of unreleased anger. He is now a very dangerous man.

    They may not have fully thought of it from the angle it’s being received because they obviously don’t want people to think of House this way. But they should have. This is their story, but if the want people to watch they have got to tow the line of what is reasonably digestable for the viewer. This need to have House self-destruct rather than actually explore his issues, this need to break him down to his darkest nature rather than explore why that darkness is there in the first place is disheartening to many. It’s the direction they want to go, and unfortunately they are having to work really hard to sell it.

    I for one always enjoyed those brief moments in an episode when we learned something about the “why” of House, in the midst of his puzzles, games and deflecting. Those were the moments of win. They have been more interested in accentuating the bad in House, or in killing the relationship that they created. They made House pine for Cuddy through S6 and then wrote a shallow relationship in S7, not the fans. Even people who wanted this relationship wanted House above all else. They haven’t given that. Now the result of their preoccupation with amking Huddy distasteful has actually hurt the thing that mattered most. The part of House that made him appealing.

    The sad thing is: they don’t seem to get it. They still think it’s Huddy and they think their intent makes a difference. It wasn’t Huddy and it didn’t come across on the screen for A LOT of people, not just Huddy fans.

    I’ve always liked Peter Blake and it’s nice to see that they both seem to care, but DS really blew it this time in the minds of many. All of the “talk” is not going to change that. Sad, but true. The fact that they didn’t anticipate this reaction says they didn’t do at least part of their job, because the networks expect them to tell more than just their story, but a story people tune in to see.

  • Julia

    I’m adding one last thing

    “How does Lisa Edelstein’s departure affect the series going forward? Think she might come back for an episode or two (or ten)?
    Lingenfelter: And we were also completely surprised by Lisa’s departure. Because it just happened we now begin the process of digesting it and looking at how it affects the story going forward.

    They need closure. They really need closure.
    Lingenfelter: Yeah”

    I know when they wrote this episode, they didn’t think Lisa could leave the show.
    And yet if she had returned, I don’t really understand what they could have done with her character. This episode would still have marked the end not only of their romantic relationship, but of every possible relationship between them, including a mere working relationship.
    TBH, I don’t see how Cuddy would accept to see him face again.

    So I respectfully disagree that there was no closure for them. This is as definitive a closure as you can get, IMO.

    We don’t really need Cuddy to return just to tell House that she’s leaving the hospital because she now hates him. And additionally, it will be much more powerful from a creative pov if House returns to PPTH after his Bora Bora holiday just to discover that she’s gone forever.

    And if Cuddy returned later on to forgive him or something similar, I would be glad as a fan of their relationship, but I’m not sure I would buy it from a rational point of view.

    Let’s admit it: at this point, it makes sense that she would never want to see him again. So I think we got our closure :(

  • AreKay

    Barbara,

    Do you think that in Season 8 the writers will try to tie up other loose ends ie. Wilson’s brother, House’s biological father?

    They have quite a job on their hands to try to get House (the character) back on track but I think stories re: at least these two characters could be very interesting…also maybe a follow-up on Mira Sorvino’s character from “Frozen” (new Dean of Medicine?)

    Thanks for your always superb analysis and reviews and for providing this forum for us not only to express our opinions but to hear from other fans who often give us interpretations we may not have originally considered.

    RK

  • AreKay

    Oops, Barbara, also wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed “Chasing Zebras”. Great job!

  • http://barbarabarnett.com barbara barnett

    Julia–I disagree with you about closure. I don’t think they have it at all, sadly. I think closure for House and Cuddy would take a gargantuan amount of effort on House’s part and a very long time. He has much to answer for after Moving On–his actions were reprehensible, no matter how much we understand his motivation. I do not think we are at all meant to excuse his behavior. I think not having Cuddy there presents challenges (big ones) as well as opportunities in redeeming House in the eyes of his colleagues and the viewers. I don’t think it will either easy or quick.

    AreKay–I hope Season 8 will find the writers plucking more threads: House’s father, Wilson’s brother–and maybe Cate (wouldn’t that be lovely). I’d love to see Nolan’s reaction to House’s insanity. Or Alvie’s (I cannot imagine even the manic Alvie would approve). I’d want to see a continuation of Chase’s year of subtle self-discovery. He had no “huge” storylines this year, but it was glorious to see his evolution from “stud” to introspective.

    I like where season 7 left Foreman. For the first time in 7 seasons, I get him, and I like him. I believe his turnaround came in observing House post “Help Me,” seeing him a new light. (OF course this will all change now.)

    I want to see Wilson do more than harangue House to change.

    I want to see the ramifications of the finale to play out over weeks (or more) and not something we see only in retrospect (I don’t think it would creatively honest, nor fair to the fans).

    I seem to be writing my post-ep commentary as comments, so I’ll stop here for now.

  • Committed

    Just want to say one thing – I know it is off topic but if you want to truly enjoy the summer hiatus – get your hands on a copy of HL’s CD. I am listening to it for the first time right now and have a smile on my face a mile wide. This guy is brilliant and this CD is great!!! Even if you don’t like this type of music, it gives you a look into what makes HL tick.
    From the piano to his occasional (somewhat sinister) background laughter – you will love it!!!

    Enjoy your summer everyone ….

  • Sad Fan

    I always thought DS had his story of House already laid out. I know he probably didn’t expect the show to continue for 7+ years. Most shows don’t make it this far. The popularity of the show and the money it has made had to have changed his whole character development of everyone on the show to stretch their stories far beyond what they were meant to be. It’s hard to wrap a show when it’s the most popular show in the world with a rabid fan base. I hate the fact that shows are written “specifically” for Sweeps and Finales. This, IMOP, skews the real story of these characters. As GY has stated several times referring to House – “KABOOM” – is that really what DS’s story of House was supposed to be ? House probably should have ended seasons ago with a good, maybe not happy, end to his story – but at least an “HONEST” end. Now the writers are going to scramble to salvage some kind of storyline for S8, but I imagine the first meeting will be to discuss “What the h3ll happened?” IMOP S8 will not be the real story of House, but writers being forced to write some storyline that was NEVER MEANT TO BE. DS is not being true to his character nor his fans. That’s what bothers me more than the car crash or the way they handled Huddy. What the h3ll happened DS??????

  • http://barbarabarnett.com barbara barnett

    AreKay–missed your add-on comment. Thank you for your very kind words. I appreciate any word-spreading. It was so much fun to write and a thrill to see it do so well (it’s out in Spanish as well as English, and soon to come out in Russian, if it hasn’t already).

  • yjust a thought

    I was looking at some old episodes of House, season 2 with HL and Stacy (Stela Ward), and it is amazing the chemistry they both shared, I saw Stela Ward on another TV show, saw several episodes because of her and I just didn’t care for her acting, nor the TV show, therefore I never bothered watching the show again.
    It wouldn’t surprise me if the same will happen to LE; Very few artist have more than one home run in their life.
    That is one thing I always appreciate about HL, he always remembers and is grateful for how lucky he was to get the [H]ouse role, to get this opportunity

  • Robin

    Referencing Libby, comment #130: I get it. I understand the continual use of metaphor in the series and have enjoyed it for the first six seasons, when it actually meant something. I think most of us also understand it’s just a tv show.

    My main problem with the metaphors used in this season is that I just don’t buy them. They feel like they’re a substitute for intelligent storyline. In fact the entire season feels self-indulgent to a large degree, as if the production crew is making home movies and deigning to share them with us. ‘Bombshells’, aka ‘House: the Musical’, is probably the best example of this attitude. What on earth was the point of all that excess, except for the writers and production crew to get orgasmic over creating the dream sequences?

    At some point in the proceedings this season, one of the writers tweeted something along the lines of ‘wait till you see tonight’s episode, you’ll wonder what we’ve been smoking!’ That attitude has been pervasive throughout most of the episodes this year. It probably makes for great fun in the writers room and on the set. It doesn’t necessarily make for great viewing.

    I fully understand what we’re watching is basically a medical procedural/allegory. What I dislike intensely is the writers and production crew using the allegory to get off on ever more elaborate gimmicks, stunts and cheap dramatics, and then expecting us to consider those antics sufficient to replace thoughtful, intelligent and insightful drama. There have been glimpses of good writing here and there; I particularly liked ‘Unwritten’ and ‘After Hours’, for example. But we shouldn’t be getting just glimpses. We should be getting whole episodes. I’m hoping against hope we’ll return to good writing and storylines in season 8, but tbh I’m not going to hold my breath.

    Btw, I neglected to say this in my original post: Barbara, thank you for the interview with Peter Blake and Kathy Lingenfelter, it was excellent. I second the request to see if you can interview the story editor for the finale, that would be a most interesting discussion.

  • Sneaky Microbe

    Wow. Barbara, that was a GREAT interview! You asked the right questions and were very forthright in your statements, especially in speaking for the fans. I’ve been waiting for this all week.

    Haven’t read everybody’s comments yet, but I will. Like many, I’m done with “House,M.D.” They are wise to be worried about next season. “Huddy” was used as an arc, one to bring House way up, then WAY down. It seems to me that TPTB had no idea the passion they were “toying with.” That is, the fans’ passion for the House-Cuddy relationship and the fans’ passion to see House be just a teeny bit happy. He deserved an ounce of happiness. Lisa E.’s departure is simply the cherry on top. It certainly makes it very, very easy for me to walk away from the show.

    I’ll be checking in with the hopes that she’ll guest star some day. Like her, I’m done with the show. They used one of the biggest draws to their show (“Huddy”) for a mean, destructive arc. And now they’ve lost an actress whose character used to be a strong female lead, leaving House free to pursue hookers, mail-order brides, and whatnot.

    I feel very jerked around. House, MD, RIP.

  • Sara

    Blake: ”We would also like to tell the Huddy fans that we feel their pain. We really do.”

    Ah, sure. And Cameron fans pain? She stay 6 years but producers simply ignore her existence and her fans all the time.
    Great.
    I wish they spend one word about us. They hurt Jennifer (fired her without good reason) and they don’t care and don’t appreciate her at all. No goodbye party, no pain, no apology, no explanations, no DVD tribute (like Lisa), no ”I’m interested in bringing her back in a guest.” ”I would be, absolutely.” and Lisa chose to leave, Jennifer don’t ”in any circumstance” so she deserve a guest star spot more than Lisa. But justice does not exist in this world.
    Great.
    I’m so sad.
    And no, I’ll never stop writing my disappointment.
    TPTB have no ability to distinguish what is right from wrong.
    And I’m also frustrated my english is a disaster.
    I’m not angry with you, Barbara, I’m angry with Shore & Co; Jennifer don’t deserve it and their every interview is an insult to her. Yesterday, GY tweet are all ”we love work with Lisa, we wish she stay, we wish she return like guest star, she is a friend, she is the best etc”
    Ohh and Jennifer?? She stay 6 years, why they don’t remember her? Do you think is just anyone recognize her contribution to the show? She stay 6 years! She don’t deserve their indifference and their horrible silence.

  • ann uk

    you could describe a tragic hero as one who is destroyed by his own virtues.House has always been a character obsessed with “doing the right thing”but he has no belief in natural goodness.As he says in “One Day One Room ” , ” we are base , selfish creatures crawling accross the world, but …if we try really hard we can sometimes achieve something not wholly evil”. For House the world is a dark place where he struggles with anger, pain and loneliness. His anger has far deeper roots than Cuddy’s betrayal or even his bleak childhood.He has always been an outsider and when he walks up those steps and looks through the window he is again shut out.The rage he supresses overwhelms him and he is driven to shatter that vision of cosy intimacy.

    I agree with the writers that he did not intend to kill -he is closer to killing himself.I dont know where he will go now, but I admire the writers for daring to create a character almost Shakespearian in its depth and complexity and Hugh Laurie for bringing it to life so powerfully.

  • housemaniac

    Committed #144: Amen to that! It’s a great CD, uplifting and beautifully produced.

  • bigHousefan

    Ann uk 151

    I love and agree with your perspective. I wish the writers would focus more on that discovery. Hugh Laurie is superb in telling House’s painful story without even saying a word.

  • Imahouseian

    The only break with reality here is with the writers and directors. The reality is that it was a poorly executed finish, leaving fans who don’t read their explanations with the impression of a homicidal maniac. They should have screened the finale with fans because obviously they have rose colored glasses on. Frankly, I used to love the flawed, but essential humane House. I now hate the psychopathic nutcase they left us with. I wish I had stopped watching the week before…now THAT would have made a good finale. As it is, I’m not sure I’ll be back next season. It depends on what’s being offered on other channels.

  • bigHousefan

    Committed 144 housemaniac 152

    I’m a longtime Chicago blues fan and was delighted with the raw, naked and honest interpretation of the music. Its an awesome recording and I would be thrilled to see Mr. Laurie win a Grammy for the effort!

  • marian

    Arekay – I love the idea of Cate from “Frozen” as the new dean of medicine. She could go toe- to-toe with House.

  • Julia

    “I disagree with you about closure. I don’t think they have it at all, sadly. I think closure for House and Cuddy would take a gargantuan amount of effort on House’s part and a very long time. He has much to answer for after Moving On–his actions were reprehensible, no matter how much we understand his motivation. I do not think we are at all meant to excuse his behavior. I think not having Cuddy there presents challenges (big ones) as well as opportunities in redeeming House in the eyes of his colleagues and the viewers. I don’t think it will either easy or quick.”

    Yes, I get your point and I agree.
    I meant that their relationship got closure because… well, if Cuddy decided never to meet House again after what he did, it would make a lot of sense to me.
    I know that what House did is not excusable and that he will realize this himself and somehow look for redemption, but do you think (leaving aside the fact that Lisa won’t return, and considering the characters as if they were real persons) that Cuddy would ever forgive him for what he’s done?
    I don’t think so…. I hope I’m wrong.

  • Muggle

    Thanks for the interview.
    I’m still unable to buy into the crash cause of who House was. I mean, we’re talking about a man who lectured a roomful of students about right and wrong in Three Stories, who was traumatised and completely freaked when he “accidentally”set off Chase’s allergies and the fiasco with Freedom Master.
    House has always (well, the earlier seasons anyway) explored ethical dilemmas, and no matter which side of the argument House is on, the debate is usually rationally and delicately constructed, so we manage to sympathise with both parties.
    Season 7 has been sorely lacking in that, and it kind of saddens me to read they already had the breakup in mind. It’s like they didn’t even want to consider a careful exploration, but were writing every episode shallow just so the characters could be bitter and seperated.

  • peggy06

    So many great comments, I find myself nodding my head as I read. But this, from Robin, perhaps, encapsulates my frustrations with the show in the last few seasons:
    “Often in the interviews with the writers and the production crew, I get this sense of excitement about the technical side of things–the really cool stunts they’re able to set up, the lighting, the CGI, and so on. That takes us back to the high-concept, shocking point B problem. I’d like to see some of that excitement transferred to the writing side of things, so that in the next season we get a storyline that’s worth watching.”

    In other words, go back to what made the show a hit in the first place. The first few seasons contained little of this KABOOM stuff (and how telling that the director uses that reference in his tweets – this is clearly the level at which the creative team is approaching the show). They achieved some great drama through good writing and moral-ethical conundrums.

    Sad Fan: “House probably should have ended seasons ago with a good, maybe not happy, end to his story – but at least an “HONEST” end. Now the writers are going to scramble to salvage some kind of storyline for S8, but I imagine the first meeting will be to discuss “What the h3ll happened?” IMOP S8 will not be the real story of House, but writers being forced to write some storyline that was NEVER MEANT TO BE. DS is not being true to his character nor his fans.”
    Absolutely right! In spite of many protestations about David Shore pursuing his vision for this show, what comes across in recent seasons is clunky writing to achieve preordained plot points and work in stupid effects. Like the musical. Like the monster truck. This isn’t organic storytelling.

    Barbara: “I want to see the ramifications of the finale to play out over weeks (or more) and not something we see only in retrospect (I don’t think it would creatively honest, nor fair to the fans).”
    While I agree that glossing it over would be offensive, I can’t imagine much grimmer than watching the ramifications of a criminal act play out over weeks. Besides, we’ve been there/done that. The show’s been in retread mode for a season or more, even referring back overtly to some of its classic episodes (which only served to point up the weakness of the current product).

    I am not sure what they can possibly do to make this entertaining and interesting for S8. That’s part of what makes me mad. I feel like I lost the one show I made a point to watch. I don’t want to sit through another retread of House rehabilitating himself. They didn’t do a good job the other times. What a way to squander a good, intense, dramatic storyline that they created for the end of S5. We’re now back almost to that same point. Big yawner.

  • BA

    The problem with the season finale is that it requires a suspension of disbelief far beyond what is normal even for a TV show. It is one thing to have a show about 4 or 5 doctors who spend an inordinate amount of time dealing with the problems of one patient. You could just say that Cuddy and the Board of Directors of this hospital just decided to allow that.
    But when House drives a car into a house, that is in a neighorhood,town, state, etc., we are out of the specialized world in which the characters and viewers normally reside. The decision whether to arrest him would not be left to Cuddy. The writers either do not know this or are assuming the viewers do not. He would be arrested and put in jail. He would almost surely lose his license. What will Season 8 be about, House and his lawyers? Good writing can ask audiences to suspend disbelief to a certain point. It cannot ask them to play dumb. That’s when it becomes insulting. That these are metaphors– House wrecking a house– does not solve the problem of a lack of discipline in storytelling. If not lack of discipline, a decline in creativity. Sometimes shows just run out of material and ideas.
    There is no way “back” from this. In other words, they cannot assemble everyone back at the hospital. The Cuddy character is leaving, but unless this was a dream sequence, a la Dallas, there is no reasonable way to have House back doing what he was doing before… unless he’s doing it in a foreign land with no extradition treaty. Perhaps that’s a good way to end the series.

  • housemaniac

    Barbara #146: In some ways, it would be helpful to the show if the bulk of House’s punishment took place off camera, as it were, i.e. over the summer. That way we could be spared weeks (months?) of legal and professional consequences. But TPTB can’t do this, can they? I mean, that would be manipulating the fans beyond all reason. They have alienated so many people with “Moving On,” I think such a stunt would only leave many fans even more bitter. Do you think this is a realistic possibliity?

    Also, I know this is off topic for this thread, but did you happen to ask the writers what ever happened to Dominika? We were told she would be back, and then she was nowhere to be seen. Don’t get me wrong, I am *relieved* by this development, but someone, somewhere must have changed his or her mind about this character. Please tell me she won’t be back next season?!

  • housemaniac

    BA #160: Exactly! I am insulted and confused by the turn of events in “Moving On” for just the reasons you suggest. Maybe we can make “Housewrecking” a new word, which has a double meaning: the wrecking of the TV program *House* and the the wrecking of a house (as opposed to a home). :)

    Also, sorry, Barbara, I meant to reference your comment at #143.

  • bigHousefan

    Peggy06 159

    Thank you for beautifully and concisely outlining our frustrations with what could have been a Season 7 of exploration and an effort seemingly to avoid it. (yep, still bitter…). BUT, I have accepted that the writer’s and creators get to decide how they tell their story and still feel compelled to watch and find out what is next for House.

    There was a lot of Season 7 that was very good i.e. Family Practice. And a lot that was awesome i.e. After Hours. There was also a lot of ‘why are they wasting script on this?’ i.e. toothbrushes, monster truck, Dominika…

    Still, Hugh Laurie is the best story-teller on TV. The writing alone at it’s best, and there are loads of examples of it, could not have produced the same results without HL the master story-teller. I sound like a gushing teenager, but I think he is enormously talented and I’m grateful that he and the creators and writers have given us this character we feel so passionate about.

  • Leroy

    Seems to me that a lot of House critics complain that House isn’t like other TV shows. Their expectations are not met.

  • Juno Uno

    Barbara,

    I appreciated the interview, but I cannot really reconcile with the following statements from the writers:

    “We believed that House sees everyone leaving that front room and going to the back room for coffee.”

    “So at least in our mind, House was not ever trying to drive into a room where anyone was there.”

    If they’re saying that House waited and drove his car through the house when he assumed nobody was in the room, then that implies he was in his rational mind. But House in his rational mind would NEVER do this. What are they trying to say? That he sat back and thought for a moment, “They’re out of the dining room, now I think I will crash into it.” In this episode and particularly that scene leading up to the crash, he was clearly being portrayed in an irrational mindset which means he was reacting on what he saw happening at that moment and nothing else. It was purely reactionary. He didn’t have time to think; it was clear from the look on his face in the car that he was losing it when he spun that car around. He was so angry, so betrayed, so hurt, he could think of nothing else.

    House was either completely rational or completely irrational at that moment, but he can’t be both. I viewed him as completely irrational possibly even bordering on temporary insanity. This insane, illogical, and irrational behavior goes back to the night he thought Cuddy was dying and said, “She’s dead.” From there to the subsequent breakup, his re-addiction to Vicodin, hookers, drinking binges, jumping off the balcony, green card marriage, self-surgery, they were all cries for help and nobody heeded them. He finally goes over the edge when he crashes into her home. He is a desperately broken man and seeing her moving on with a smile on her face, with a guy in her dining room that isn’t him, seeing how she is happy and he still can’t deal with it, that just propelled him over the edge.

    He did drive that car through that dining room with nothing else in his mind but feelings of betrayal, hurt, hopelessness, sadness, and anger. I agree with the writers that House did not intend to harm anyone as he’s not an abusive or violent person by nature. But from his perspective, witnessing that dining room scene was essentially the straw that broke the camel’s back. Given everything he’s been through, I cannot believe his two best friends couldn’t even see that he might suffer another breakdown. This bothers me greatly because the old Wilson and Cuddy would have spotted this self-destructiveness a mile away instead of treating it as one of his “games.” TPTB just had Wilson and Cuddy turn a blind eye to how this all was affecting him.

    Despite the explanations from Peter Blake and Katherine Lingenfelter, which I appreciate, I’m still trying to understand how the finale will somehow give us back the [H]ouse series we used to love. It certainly won’t give us back the great dynamic of House, Cuddy, and Wilson. I’m honestly trying to remain optimistic about Season 8, but I cannot help thinking about all those great moments shared between these three characters over the period of seven years which we probably will never experience again, assuming of course that Lisa Edelstein decides to never return for some storyline resolution.

  • BrokenLeg

    My tought is if one person(writer) needs to do that amount of explanations, excuses,etc.. about his/her job, is because the job simply was no well developed and done, and failed. As simple as that. Even is she/he is not obblied to explain her/his job, and to be interviewed, are they who need the good interviewer, not vice versa.
    And I’m more and more convinced on that feeling, because they are explaining something very different than the most part of viewers and critics watched.
    Big Fiasco!!!

  • bigHousefan

    Juno Uno 165

    Yes, driving recklessly into an occupied home is irrational. But then he gets out of the car, slams the car door and with determination walks over to Cuddy and hands her the hairbrush. He then acknowledges Wilson telling him he feels better and flies off to a distant land, (did he have his passport with him?) and enjoys a drink on the beach. Is he thinking rationally or irrationally after he crashes into the house?

    I think he chose to embrace his inner demons and acted out of hurt and complete distain for what he feels he can’t have. He let out his emotions raging inside him explode to the surface. I still don’t believe he meant to harm anyone and wish that could have been portrayed more effectively. Logic indicates that his actions could have easily hurt or killed everyone inside.

  • Alex

    I’ve just seen the finale and I loved the last scenes especially House’s smirk, he was so relaxed when he was on the beach. Taub and Cuddy bored me to no end and I’m happy she won’t be on the show anymore.
    I’d like to tell to the writers they don’t need to explain what they did, some will undertand it some not and the latter are for the most part bitter huddy fans so let’s ignore them.
    Waiting for an amazing season 8 after the huddy mess.

  • Lyn

    Alex, I’m not a Huddy, but I don’t like what they did to House. There have been at least three critics who expressed all along they hated Huddy, but they didn’t like this. It’s not about Huddy. It’s about House. It’s time people stopped using Shipping as a fall back.

  • maria-eleni

    • 110 – @ maria-eleni
    May 28, 2011 at 12:13 am
    @ maria-eleni:” I’ve seen “Amadeus.” Great piece of work. This isn’t the same thing as watching a tragedy in a play or in a movie that lasts a couple of hours; that is different from experiencing one that takes up …….”

    WHY IS MY NAME USED BY SOMEONE ELSE TO ANSWER TO ME?

    IS IT A MISTAKE?

  • AaronS

    Several things came to mind with the finale:

    1) He was motivated to act that way by the patient he was caring for. He realized that he had not been expressing the rage/despair and so forth that he truly felt about his situation.

    2) While we all like a big, bold statement, it occurred to me that as reckless as House has been, that was the most reckless thing ever. Why? Because a child that he loves could have been behind that table that he crushed against the wall. For that matter, Cuddy could have been there too, for House was “flying blind.” That’s why the ending wasn’t satisfying–that seemed beneath the intelligence of House.

    3) There is now no resolution to Cuddy. Yes, she’s leaving the show, but now you KNOW they can never be reconciled. Not only is she over him for a host of other things, but he recklessly endangered her life and the life of her child and guests. It’s over. Of course, they NEVER should have gotten together. Yes, sleep together, make snide comments, flirt, fight, and so forth…but nothing serious enough. Why? Because as soon as it became serious, the show lost the fun dynamic of House liking yet aggravating Cuddy. Also, we saw a soft lovey-dovey side of House that we don’t like. We WANT House to care for things deep down, but we can’t handle a middle-aged man acting like a school boy in love.

    4) House has JUMPED THE SHARK. To unjump it, Cuddy has to be HAPPY that House drove his car into her home. “Finally–finally!–you express the true House! That’s what I’ve been waiting for! That’s why it never worked for us!”

    Of course, if she does that, it will be harder for her to leave. But IF SHE DID, it would allow “a way back.” House could start understanding that he needs to quit suppressing his true emotions behind his genius (which would explain the terrifying OVER-reaction in the finale). Now that he’s let it all out, he can be “normal.”

    But we don’t want a normal House, do we?

  • Robin

    Peggy06, comment #159: “In other words, go back to what made the show a hit in the first place. The first few seasons contained little of this KABOOM stuff (and how telling that the director uses that reference in his tweets – this is clearly the level at which the creative team is approaching the show). They achieved some great drama through good writing and moral-ethical conundrums.”

    Exactly. The writing was subtle, cynical, witty, and layered. There was no reliance on technical shock and awe to capture our attention–it was caught by the intricacies of the plotline. We understood House was a complex character with many dark and light facets; Hugh gave him an underlying humanity and vulnerability that highlighted those facets, brought them more clearly into focus. It was a delight to tune in every week.

    KABOOM pretty much sums up the entire season and the way the writers and showrunners have blown up a good thing in the name of spectacle and shock effect.

  • Joker’s Paradise

    Going forward into Season 8, I would like to see Wilson and Cuddy honestly asking themselves where they went wrong with House. I want them to realize that they quit supporting House and the changes he was starting to make in his life and instead started judging and expecting things to go wrong. I know that it isn’t likely that this will happen with Cuddy, but it could happen with Wilson.

    I would like to see a trial that ends with House spending all of his free time in the clinic. I don’t think that House should go unpunished for his agression toward Cuddy. I want him to come to his senses in his tropical paradise and humbly come home to face his actions and seek psychiatric advise. Nolan would be good but I’m not expecting miracles. I also would like them to find more of those tumors with one of them being placed somewhere that would give an explanation for House’s behavior after his breakup with Cuddy. Possibly, we find out that House had been using the experimental drugs for awhile. (Our knowledge of the drug started with “The Fix,” but chances are he had been doing this for quite some time since he seemed to have developed a camaraderie with the researcher)

    I want to see House practicing medicine again and giving the new Dean a run for their money. Maybe a person very much like House that gets him and can give it right back to him (perhaps played by Stephen Fry?). Maybe the new Dean could call House on his behavior and help him sort things through. Maybe he can cause House to question how healthy his relationship with Wilson and Cuddy had been and help him realize that their issues haven’t been all his fault.

    *humor warning*

    Or House can go to the loony bin with Zack from Bones and become his mentor, find out that Zack didn’t kill anyone, get him sprung and back on Bones where he belongs. Then, he can go back to PPTH and continue his life as if nothing happened. Which is probably what we will get, House back at PPTH as if nothing happened.

  • Kellie

    I don’t think they’ve achieved their anticipated “KABOOM”, all they’ve done is cause confusion. The fact that a lot of people debating the subject here is a negative mark to their credit not a positive one.

  • Alex

    @169, Lyn

    Please notice that I wrote ‘are for the most part bitter huddy fans’ not they’re ‘all bitter huddy fans’. And for these huddys it’s all about their ship but for them saying they’re not going to watch anymore because of the last scenes is better that admitting they watched the show only for a banal romance. Some of them had the nerve to send a protest to NAMI, bitter much, aren’t they?

  • Sad Fan

    EP Titles For Season 8

    EP 1 – What Happens When TPTB Mess With A Hit TV Show

    EP 2 – Are We Still Using This Dominika Chick For Anything

    EP 3 – Was It Lucinda or Julia – We Can’t Remember

    EP 4 – Are We Certain LE Is Not Coming Back

    EP 5 – Are We Certain LE Is Not Coming Back Part 2

    EP 6 – Is DS Still On Vacation

    EP 7 – Anyone Know If We Have Used The Title Epic Fail Before – We Can’t Remember

    EP 8 – We Thought Masters Was Still A Current Character

    EP 9 – What Really Happened to House’s Car

    EP10 – Are We Still Certain LE Is Not Coming Back – Part 1

    EP11 – Are We Still Certain LE Is Not Coming Back – Part 2

    EP12 – KABOOM – (Wait Isn’t That Word Trademarked by GY)

    EP13 – The Return Of Stacy

    EP14 – The Return Of Cameron

    EP15 – The Return Of Lydia

    EP16 – The Return of – PLEASE LE COME BACK FOR JUST ONE EPISODE

    EP17 – We Are Really Scared To Look At The Ratings Anymore

    EP18 – Sorry Fans – We Don’t Know How To Finish This Mess We Created

  • maia

    season 8 will be the last, TPTB ruined a really good show by going the “Huddy” route….

  • BA

    The Huddy romance did not have to be banal. To the extent that it was, it was a function of the writing and the poor conception of the storyline. There could have been any number of interesting ways to take that plot line. The writers, apparently, have just run out of steam. Seven years is a long time to maintain a high level of creativity. Very, very few shows have ever done that.

  • Sadest[H]fan

    How cathartic 2day was for me reading their ridiculous reasons for taking the route they took this season. It’s so sad & pathetic that I ended all my Tivo Season Passes (USA, Bravo, Sleuth & Fox) for what used to be my fav TV show. I can’t believe that I don’t even find the desire to watch the “good old days” episodes anymore as a means to console my wounded heart. It’s no longer entertaining, thought-provoking, etc. I hope they are happy living in aftermath of their stupid “KaBoom” universe. I’ll miss HL & the gang.

    Ok. Off to watch the Hangover & find some laughter today.

  • Mark

    Good Bye House M.D.
    It Was a wild ride

  • Suzy

    Thank you so much for this interview Barbara!

    I was very interested in what their take was and I’m glad I am wasn’t wrong in my own view. I am reasured after having read so many views oposite mine.

    I have no intention of reading all comments cause they make me sad but in your reply #25 and the mention of Stacy and the place that Wilson has always been so terrified of… I mean… I’m sorry I can’t put the words right… but isn’t that a concern that has been there from the beginning? Stacy or even the warning Wilson gave Cameron… that House would really fall to pieces (or explode!) if he found love again only to lose it when he finally dared to trust… It makes sense to me that House would have this kind of disasterous reaction. (And to clarify I am going with the assumption that House had absolutely no intention of hurting anybody)

    I hope you know what I mean. Sorry but English is not my language.

  • AreKay

    @#144 Committed, #152 housemaniac & #155 bigHousefan

    YouTube video 1

    YouTube video 2

    @#158 Muggle
    Three Stories vs. Moving On
    The Best vs. The Worse
    Let’s get back to great storytelling and, please…make the KaBooms go KABOOM! Or better yet, give the KaBooms to Bruce Willis for John McClane and the next Die Hard and give us back our House!!!!

  • patvid

    I think House has the best writers on network TV. The shows continue to be well-written. Great questions for the writers, who were good sports to give such candid answers.

    Frankly, I have been very disappointed with TPTB’s handling of the House/Cuddy relationship this season. If their story had been kept in the background of the show, it would have worked much better. Who needs all this angst and misery? Cuddy went from being a sympathetic, professional character to a whiny, humorless pain. I don’t think this was the writer’s fault. They were probably told to bring House and Cuddy together, then break them up, even when it made no sense.

    Having said all that, I liked the season’s final episode. It made sense in terms of what’s been going on all season, and it was amusing to see House happy and finding some closure under such crazy circumstances. Of course, like most others, I’m not convinced things are as they seem. The writers have fooled us before during season finales. Repeatedly.

    But even if this wasn’t a dream sequence, these are just fictional characters and this is a TV show. The show has often been unrealistic, and House has rarely been a role model. The comments here are “real,” however, and there is no reason for personal attacks or nastiness. This is supposed to be fun.

    It’s such a shame LE is leaving the show. The dynamic between Cuddy and House has always been as important as the one between House and Wilson. I can only hope the last episode of the last season has House happily getting together with Cuddy, or even Stacy or Cameron. Anyone but 13.

  • fatolady

    I can’t do this anymore…….hurts to much. Goodbye friends. Sadest [H]fan I feel just like you…. even the good old days have been tainted. For me it’s because I could watch House struggle with his demons because I always held out hope that SOMEDAY House would find a way to beat them…..someday he would win. This season has shown me that this can and never will happen. It’s so sad to think of watching someone try & try to climb out of a dark and lonely pit, almost reach the top, then slip and fall back to the bottom. I’m sorry I can’t watch that anymore.

  • bigHousefan

    AreKay 182

    You’re adorable for posting those! Yep, searched, watched and saved them in my favorites. There are also some good ones from London and Hamburg. They will keep me groovin’ until September!

    Loved your Kaboom comment!

  • bigHousefan

    FantasticOldLady 184

    While I empathize with your point of view and had this show break my heart more than a few times, I can’t leave now. There is no where to go but up. My dream come true would be for the return of Kate (Mira Sorvino) from Frozen. Not necessarily as a love interest and I don’t see the writers going there again, but as someone who ‘gets’ him and who he respects.

    If you choose not to watch, check in with us from time to time because I hope you have not forgotten that we still have a date when Hugh Laurie brings his blues concert to the US. He has commented that he’d like to do so, I’ll be looking for you!

  • fatolady

    BighouseFan – I am still a BIG FAT, HUGH LAURIE fan, that much hasn’t changed. Yes I will check back in once in awhile. Your right it is a date. Now if I could just get my hands on his cd. Amazon cancelled my pre-order (from February) yesterday because they are out of stock…..bummer. Talk to you later.

  • Exfan

    Just deleted all the house episodes I had recorded. Don’t like to watch even the episodes I used to enjoy. The entire show and the story i was so interested in has been ruined for me.

  • angela

    production should fight to bring back Lisa E
    the 8 SEASON is not where I started something credible

  • BA

    The writing on the show has been great over the years, very far above average. The writers have had an enormously talented actor to write for. Laurie has taken their material and created an iconic character. It will be interesting to see how (whether) they can salvage his spectacular work.

  • Cardiac Monitor

    Does anyone else find it interesting that all of the “chemistry” between Hugh Laurie and Lisa Edelstein fizzled as soon as they saw each other naked?

  • RobF

    As much as I was disappointed that the writers felt the need to do this, I have to admit I am kind of curious to see where they take House in the first episodes of next season.

    Obviously, they’re not going to condone domestic violence. House may be happy now, but the way he moved on from the relationship was very uncool (not just illegal), and the show will have to deal with that.

    I have felt less of a connection with the characters over the past two seasons, and the upcoming one is unlikely to change that. But it might still be worth watching.

  • Still love House!

    Barbara, some of these comments make me down right angry. Who the hell are we to tell writers and creators, of a TV show what to do! we have no right whats so ever. If people dont like what DS has done with HIS CREATION so be it. Go and enjoy Dancing with the Z listers. Do people really look at what they are saying here? People, This is a TV show a darn good one. We are in danger with network TV in loosing quality TV to reality crap. Is that what you want? So TPTB on House did not give you the ending YOU WANTED this season, Oh dear what a pity! House is still one of the best Dramas on network TV right now, you have one of the finest actors ever portraying a unique character. All this Boo Hoo over the finale just POs me. They wanted to shock, and they did it darn well. Watch the show or not makes no difference to me or TPTB I am sure. You are a fan or not. I have watch this show since the begining, I still love it. House is crazy, he is unstable, always has been, always will be. This was just another part of his jorney. So to those who wanted him with white picket fences, 2.2 kids and dog? aint going to happen.
    As for LE, she is not the star of the show, she is and alway has been a supporting character. The show will go on without her. If she wanted to walk away from still what would of been over 2mil, then more fool her I say. God I wish I had a job that paid that well. She deserted the show, her co-stars and the crew, as is her right as her contract was done. she chose not to renew. So good luck to her, I wont miss her.
    I am excited and looking forward to S8, this could be the final jorney for Greg House, (you know the one the show is about!) I am glad Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens, or Shakespeare are not around today writing for TV. Too many people would be telling them how to write their characters.
    Sorry to be so blunt, but all this crazziness is just getting me mad period. Lets just see how many who say they wont watch anymore, will stay away from the sept premier!

  • ann uk

    I can’t get that image of House limping up those steps and gazing into that window out of my mind. He comes to make peace, perhaps to seal the treaty symbolised by that sad tangle of hands ( which echo their clasped hands in ” Help Me “)only to find that he is already being replaced.For him that cosy intimacy, that comfortable normality, is bought at other people’s expense. It is founded on the exclusion of uncosy, uncomfortable truths. House’s rage is the anger of the outsider who experiences those truths both as a doctor and in himself.To be more specific, Cuddy is buying her comfort at the expense of his suffering.

    But I think Cuddy herself will pay a price. For a second time she is bartering her truest feelings and her deepest relationship for comfort and security.Of course she has a right to do this but I think she will always regret it.

  • BA

    There is no discipline of writing– books, novels, historical works, screenplays– in which writers are not judged or critiqued. It is a legitimate part of the game, and all writers know this when they go into the profession. It is not a question of who has a “right”, like the right to counsel or right to remain silent. It is an integral part of the game. They take the bitter with the sweet– high praise when deserved, criticism when warranted. The question is always the quality of the critique. Is it in good faith. Does it make any legitimate points? No one is perfect. In whatever profession we are in, we can learn from good faith assessments of our work.

  • Committed

    @187 – fatolady –

    Try ordering the CD from Amazon or Amazon.co.uk. I checked Amazon and they have one copy new. Amazon.co.uk also has them.

    Good luck

  • Nate

    Barbara,

    Once again, I would like to thank you for these threads. I understand completely that you do not have to do it. But, I as a fan of this amazing show since season one really appreciate it.

    For me, the writers have done something incredible with this finale. I’ll admit, to begin with I didn’t know what to think, but after processing it, and mulling it over I see just how brilliant it was.

    To everyone out there who wishes the relationship would have worked out, you clearly don’t understand the character of House. David Shore has never described it like this, but for damaged people love is just grasping for anything. The reason House seemed so desperate for Cuddy was because he had her and feared (even knew) he would lose her. This first go round with the relationship was made to fail because House has never dealt with the deep seeded issues. It is a testament to the writers just how much debate this finale has gotten. A show is doing something right when it has pages and pages of opinions from different fans. Clearly Shore has a story to tell, and I’ve said this before: he knows what he is doing. For Shore, I see him as a brilliant writer who knows how to write his character better than describe him in interviews. And I feel the reason his interviews turn people off is he doesn’t get deep enough into his own character, but instead describes the very surface of House. But, I know from having watched the show for seven years that he knows exactly what he is doing. And finally he is getting to the deep seeded issues of this incredible character.

    I believe the way Cuddy left the show was perfect. It was almost too Housian. Everything was coming to a head, and it was inevitable that he couldn’t just be friends with her anymore. For some the crash was out of character. For me, it was completely in character. But, I would like to explain exactly what that means. People ask if early season House would have done this, and the answer is no. Early season House would never have crashed his car into Cuddy’s house. But, early season house was “healthier”, though not really. He was a man surrounded by his walls. And as the seasons passed we saw some walls come down and others rebuild. After the breakup, a different man has come out of it. It is like House had been on auto pilot, doing things that could definitely kill him but not really caring.

    The House that crashed into Cuddy’s house was the auto pilot, the man completely checked out from his own body. And season 8 I feel is going to be him facing who he is so he can be happy in a Housian way. I don’t see him having a real happy ending. Finding content with who he is, that for me is House happy. A place where his crippled leg is what he lives with instead of letting it control his life, a place where maybe he and Wilson can just be friends instead of a man who needs need being friends with a man that needs. I said in my last post that David Shore I feel is writing a tragedy. But, could be wrong. And in many ways I hope I am.

    To end this Barbara, just from reading your comments I can see you found something in this finale too. What I feared was you would side with the people who found it out of character, and be done with the show you once loved. I’m happy to see that hasn’t happened, because you are the only real reviewer who knows the show and writes based on that knowing. Not like ign or some other sight who’ll catch an occasional episode and base a review off of it. I am happy you and I are on the same boat, and hope you stay aboard until the end. I think it will be incredible, maybe even life changing. Who ever thought a show could be life changing?

  • Leroy

    House is an excellent story, and I’ll follow it to the end. IMO, quitting now would be like reading War And Peace, but not the Epilogues, which I feel are the point of the whole story.

  • bigHousefan

    Ann uk 194

    I agree and feel the same heartbreak in that scene. To me, House watching his patient in the arms of Luka (sp?) grasping his gift of a single flower symbolizing their reunion motivated House to bring Cuddy’s hairbrush to her as a gift symbolizing his acceptance of her apology and her decision not to be in an intimate relationship with him. I think he wanted desperately to remain close. But, that scene in the dining room was too much for this fragile man and his worst demons set out to destroy that image. What a heartbreaking ending.

  • Susan

    Barbara,

    I’ve been enjoying reading your articles on House over the last year or so – always interesting – thank you! I enjoy the comments from everyone too.

    I’ve loved following what I thought was House’s journey over the last seven years but the way this season has played out has left me sad and disheartened. I’m more of a fan of the character studies and the relationships than of the medical stories and I’ve always loved any scene with House, Wilson and Cuddy – they play off each other so well. From the very beginning of the show, I saw sparks and caring between House and Cuddy and I had hoped they would eventually be a couple. After the poorly written story of their relationship this year and then the abrupt end to it, I wish the writers had never gone there. It could have been great but it wasn’t and after the finale, the friendship the two of them had is also gone forever. I can certainly understand why Lisa Edelstein left the show……there’s nothing left for her character now.

    I know House is a fictional character but I had grown quite attached to him over the last seven years due to the amazing Hugh Laurie. I always saw the humanity in him. House endangering the lives of his two best friends and possibly a small child whom he had a relationship with is unforgivable in my eyes. As Cameron told him when she left “there’s no way back for you”. I thought it was harsh at the time but now it seems prophetic. I’d feel a tiny bit better if there had been a scene that made the audience aware that House knew Rachel was with Arlene. I can’t get the image out of my head of that tiny little girl playing with her toys beneath the dining room window as the car comes crashing in.
    There’s no way he would have seen her.

    I had hoped for just a bit of happiness and peace for House at the end of the series but now I know that will never happen with David Shore in charge – the man who laughs about knowing House was capable of murder! It’s hard to accept that what I thought I knew and loved about the character was so terribly incorrect. With the finale ending, DS and the writers have gone to a darker place than I ever imagined. Gregory House is now a violent psychopath wanted by the law and he cannot be redeemed in any realistic way and he certainly cannot practice medicine ever again. I think the writers have written themselves into a very deep corner. It’s hard to believe that I’m hoping for a rat poison induced brain tumor to explain that ending.

    What happened to the old House who when Cuddy was lashing out at him with those awful pranks calmly let her “punch herself out” and when she did, she apologized to him and their relationship stayed intact? Where did that guy go? I miss him.

  • Marianne

    Most people are suckers for the story of an anti-hero: we like seeing someone trying to become a better man/woman and eventually succeeding in some way. We like to watch lost souls and identify with them as they strive to become happy – that is the meaning of life. Once this game is over, it’s time for everyone to go home.

  • housemaniac

    Nate #197: Check out BA #195. Telling other fans “you clearly don’t understand” is unnecessary and is not a critique; it is an attack. You makes some good points in your post, but, unfortunately, those are the words I most remember.

  • Susan

    #5 Leodie – for what it’s worth – I haven’t watched it yet either. Can’t bring myself to turn on the DVR.

  • Susan

    #200 Susan is not me. I think I’ll now have to be Susan from Brooklyn.

  • BrokenLeg

    182 @AreKay

    Let’s get back to great storytelling and, please…make the KaBooms go KABOOM! Or better yet, give the KaBooms to Bruce Willis for John McClane and the next Die Hard and give us back our House!!!!

    Exactly THIS!!!!

  • 2Lightworker

    @BrokenLeg
    Yes!
    Watched rerun of 1981 first “Raiders of the Lost Ark” by the master of KaBooms, still love it, but am looking for something deeper in House.
    check out housedailydose.squarespace.com,”Laughter the Best Medicine” from Diary of a Mad Fashionista…..we need to laugh, this is getting intense.

    @182 AreKay- the Hugh YT vids are just perfect. His music says what I need to feel…. enough angst – too hot and humid in NYC!
    Working my way through “Mr. Pip” and it feels just right for his next venture, along with more music!

  • BA

    @ 193. Actually, readers did tell Conan Doyle what to do with Sherlock Holmes, a character who was, obviously, a model for House. When he killed Holmes off, readers’ protests were so strong that Doyle brought him back to life. He went on to write many memorable Holmes stories, including “The Hound of the Baskervilles”. Dickens whose novels appeared in installments (like House) also responded to readers who would write to the journals in which the installments appeared giving their opinions.

    @206 the link “Laughter is the Best Medicine” say almost everything that needs to be said about this except all the legal ramifications of the criminal nature of House’s actions.

  • bigHousefan

    Are Kay 182 Broken Leg 205

    I very much agree with your stance on the Kaboom stories and miss those subtly told. But, one could argue that House’s Head and Wilson’s Heart were Kaboom stories and I loved them. It fractured the unique (eccentric) friendship between House and Wilson. Of course the bus crash wasn’t thoughtfully executed on House’s part as the car crash clearly appeared to be here. But, it was a result of House’s self-loathing, reckless and self-destructive ways. We know what triggered the act but we don’t yet know whether or not he was impaired by a brain tumor caused by the ‘rat medicine’ or whatever as the writer’s have indicated that has not been entirely hashed out yet. I’m reserving judgement until I see where they go with it from here. But, I totally get your point. In most cases, the more subtle the writing, the more powerful the story – especially when Hugh Laurie conveys House’s feelings without opening his mouth!

  • bigHousefan

    2Lightworker 206

    I just read: .squarespace.com,”Laughter the Best Medicine” from Diary of a Mad Fashionista

    What a riot! I’ve never visited that site. I LOVED IT!!! That was exactly what I needed, thanks!

  • AreKay

    @#206 2Lightworker

    “Watched rerun of 1981 first “Raiders of the Lost Ark” by the master of KaBooms, still love it, but am looking for something deeper in House.”

    THIS!!!

    Also, glad you liked the YouTube videos…I giggle every time I watch it. Hugh blushing…priceless!!! Have to borrow Wilson’s line, “I LOVE this man!”

    I just finished reading “Mr. Pip” and I would swear it was written specifically with Hugh in mind…it’s that perfect for him!

    @#208 bigHousefan

    I, too, LOVED “House’s Head” and Wilson’s Heart”. Guess my post should have been a little more clear…KaBooms are fine if they help in telling the story. What I object to are half-baked stories written simply to try to justify having a KaBoom. At this point even I’m not exactly sure if that explains what I mean any better. LOL!

  • Robin

    AreKay, comment #210: “I, too, LOVED “House’s Head” and Wilson’s Heart”. Guess my post should have been a little more clear…KaBooms are fine if they help in telling the story. What I object to are half-baked stories written simply to try to justify having a KaBoom. At this point even I’m not exactly sure if that explains what I mean any better. LOL!”

    That explains it perfectly. No reason why we can’t have subtle, intelligent writing and a kaboom now and then–all things in balance. :)

  • Shane

    Read this and agree, so it will speak for me.

  • Srsly?

    Are we meant to think House is wearing the same outfit on the beach as he was at the end of “Both Sides Now”? This has been driving me nuts…

  • AreKay

    @212-Shane

    Only two words needed to comment on this blog…THIS!!! (and) WOW!!!

  • Alma G

    212 – Shane

    Interesting read but it’s really just an amalgamation of what has already been posted, speculated and debated upon, sorry.

  • SusanfromBrooklyn (aka Susan)

    #212 Shane – excellent blog. As with all the hundreds of wonderfully expressed and thought out posts that have been written since Bombshells – I wish David Shore and Co. would read this and rewrite and rethink next season. Renegotiate LE’s contract and bring us the story that so many of us expect, want and even need.

  • HalfPastLater

    If House actually went to Fiji,why would he choose to go there of all places? It’s a known romantic spot for honeymooners. Did he stop at his house and get his passport? Fiji is more than 20 hours flight from the eastern seaboard, you need to connect in LA,figure another few hours to find a resort for accommodation and transfers,so he basically traveled for a day and a half and his suit didn’t look wrinkled nor did he looked jet lagged. And how the heck did he manage all that without his vicodin? I doubt he had enough with him :\

  • shane

    #215 As is every post on the article, and yet it’s still going and still being read.

    We’ve got what we’ve got. The line has been drawn and sides chosen. No amount of talking about it will change minds, but it does help heal hearts. At this point, I think it’s okay to let that happen.

    Thank you, Barbara for the interview and for the venue.

  • bigHousefan

    AreKay 210

    You explained it perfectly and I agree completely.

    Shane 212

    The blog beautifully articulates our frustrations.

  • ann uk

    Just wanted to say that Hugh singing the blues is a joy to hear (and watch).It specially pleases me that he is getting great revues and lots of publicity over here. It’s our shame that his brilliant work in House has never received proper recognition.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    Hugh in House has been great at times, although the show has been far less compelling this last season; as a singer however, he is terrible! This cash in album is of karaoke standard at best…

  • Zaze

    191 – Cardiac Monitor

    “Does anyone else find it interesting that all of the “chemistry” between Hugh Laurie and Lisa Edelstein fizzled as soon as they saw each other naked?”

    LMAO! you’re right!

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    WOW, I really LOBE this “second world” created around House! I haven´t come here since my last post and WOW this thread is still alive! Now, I am going to read all the latest post! I don´t believe any other TvShow could have this kind of involved viewes, which, despite they are so hurt, they still care and come her to comment about it! Fantastic job @Barbara for let us to share our thoughts! LoBe you all: @fatOlady, @BrokenLeg, @BigHousefan, @Susan, @2Lightworker, @Committed…and many other who have been here for months! Even I am still hurt (very very hurt and disappointed, upset…) I have to say thanks to David Shore for making this painful season, because if he never did Bombshells, I´d never come here and I´d never known this “second world” around HouseMD.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @72-Housefan72

    I really liked your comment. I think you talk very clear and express your thought very well. I agree with you and, again, thanks for your comment.

    “I get where the writers wanted to bring us, but I don’t like their ways. With Lisa Edelstein leaving the show for whatever reason, their relationship will never get a proper closure. Even if they do manage to have her as guest for one episode, this will only make a forced story, one more added to the out of character break up they made Cuddy commit (…) But I would respectfully ask you if you think, given the fact that Cuddy’s character will never have the chance to get a proper closure, if you think you could get an interview with some of the writers to discuss the way they saw Cuddy’s character and to explain to us, like they did with House of this episode, how Cuddy get from “I don’t want you to change” to break up with him so abruplty, without any chance given to him to explain why in that particular moment he had behave like that, with any fight, for then to provoke him at the end of the season to have that fight (…) but I would so much like to have the approach of the writers on this, and not in a superficial way of kind: she deserves so much better that a guy like House…Also, I felt like crying when the writers told us they are feeling our pain about Cuddy, cause they surely don’t! They would have never damaged her character so deeply if they did!”

  • 2Lightworker

    @212-Shane
    Thanks for this – draws many insights together – well done!

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @149 – Sneaky Microbe

    I´ve read all your comments since I arrived here to Barbara´s blog. I ever considered you a long viewer of House (like many others who comment here). And it´s so sad read your comment now. But, really, I feel like you. I believe House´s writers, producers, actors…have to come here and read our comments, because these comments aren´t from eventual viewers…These comments are from very involved viewers, who, during seven years, were following House (the character and the series) and now feel HURT…I hope you will take, almost, the option of come here next year to read, comment and participate in our talks. That is my option (by the moment) because I don´t want to suffer by this series anymore…I loved House and I still care so much! “Pain happens when you care”

    “Huddy” was used as an arc, one to bring House way up, then WAY down (…) Lisa E.’s departure is simply the cherry on top (…) I’ll be checking in with the hopes that she’ll guest star some day. Like her, I’m done with the show. They used one of the biggest draws to their show (“Huddy”) for a mean, destructive arc. And now they’ve lost an actress whose character used to be a strong female (…)I feel very jerked around.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    166 – BrokenLeg

    My thought is if one person(writer) needs to do that amount of explanations, excuses,etc.. about his/her job, is because the job simply was no well developed and done, and failed. As simple as that. Even is she/he is not obblied to explain her/his job, and to be interviewed, are they who need the good interviewer, not vice versa.
    And I’m more and more convinced on that feeling, because they are explaining something very different than the most part of viewers and critics watched.

    Yes, I said the same after Bombshells. We never had too many interviews before this episode. And after that, we had a lot of them, with writers, producers…even we started to have more sneak peak of episodes, more promotion…more EXPLANATION…And yes, when someone has the need to explain something in that way…it´s because something is wrong…Maybe, there is a disconnection between the story, the script, the shooting…I don´t know, but something is wrong here.

  • http://barbarabarnett.com Barbara barnett

    Red tulip and sneaky,
    The writers talked to me because I asked. I am always curious about the writing process. No one, and certainly not these writers talked to me out of an attempt to explain anything.

    While some fans, and certainly many (but far from all) here hated the way season 7 ended, that is not anywhere close to a universal opinion. The ending was a shock to me, but have come to understand on my own terms.

    LE’s departure was a blow, but at least for me not a deal breaker. I wish her luck and hope that she makes a return visit at some point this season.

    The creative team may not share your vision, but there has never been consensus on the series as to even what the show is, nor even the motivations of its main character. I am very curious about how House will feel about what he’s done after he realizes (he is not in his right mind at this point, in my opinion)

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @228-Barbara Barnett

    Barbara, I didn´t want to refer precisely to this interview, not even any of your interviews. I know that you are looking for answers and get interviews. In fact, I’m thankful you do it.

    But when I refer to the excess of explanations, I am referring to all those who have made ??public talks to journalists, all the promotion that made each episode from Bombshells. The way we’ve been bombarded with spoilers in the later episodes, it is not normal.
    As for this interview, in particular, and especially in regard to these writers, I have to say they’re being very kind to us. Not only by granting you this interview, but also on twitter. Over all, Kath, has answered all the viewers and seriously, I think they share our pain. That’s why I made ??reference to what maybe, there is a disconnect between their intentions and our perception.

    On the other hand, I don´t hate the Season Finale. I think it’s an episode typical of other series, not House. I think we are more disappointed with the development of the season, that really with the last episode. I still think, for me, the best ending for this season would have been “After Hours”. For me, “Moving On” is a “wildcard episode”. That is, when it was written and filmed, the series really was not renewed, it was unclear whether House would continue on screen. Nor were renewed actors. The fact that it the Fox which ask for this “extra episode”, reinforces my thoughts. This episode would have worked in all cases:
    – If the series had not been renewed: House could have done so. On the beach, after breaking with his whole life and all his loved ones.
    – If RSL had not renewed: Wilson, after being “damaged” by House and his car, may never have wanted to know nothing of his “friend”.
    – If LE had not renewed (finally happened): Cuddy is not going to want to know anything about House. He crashed his car into her house and could have killed people inside.

    So, I think “Moving On ” had its intentions…but I also believe that once renewed the series, the fact that LE has not renewed has disrupted the plans. But this is just my opinion. And perhaps my disappointment, is largely due to the departure of Lisa Edelstein.

    But I also know that time cures everything, and that after the summer, I probably fall back again into the House´s nets…but not now.

  • BrokenLeg

    212@Shane
    and also 214 @AreKay,219@bigHousefan and others….

    The best part of that blogger critic that Shane has found ( Thank you a lot!!!) is ABOUT US as follows:

    ” House viewers are smart and detective-like. They enjoy solving puzzles and talking through the many different interpretations of every scene. This is a dialogue heavy show, but the character studies have always been riddled with minimalistic dialogue that left theviewer considering what is really going on inside.”

    So 223@ RedTulip_Ana, I’m with you, at least happy to had the opportunity to know this “other [H]ouse world” of talented fans.
    So thank you @ Barbara Barnett too. You are great.

  • Action Kate

    Before I make my main point, let me add my voice to the horrified chorus that Rachel could easily have been in that room, and the writers/director/editor etc. fell down on the job of not making it clear that she wasn’t.

    One thing I haven’t seen mentioned here: House’s speech to (rant at) the patient when he sees her with Luka and the rose at the end.

    Remember that he complimented her on her original decision to forego the chemo because it fogged her mind. She changed her mind after 13 likened it to an art piece and pointed out that “this time, Luka could be with you during your diagnosis and treatment.”

    So House storms in, throws Luka out, and yells at her, although he’s really yelling at himself. How could you choose your heart over your brain? is what he’s ranting. I don’t have a transcript, but he says something like “If you do this, it means all the work you did before him doesn’t mean anything.” This is really important.

    House feels that the sole purpose for his existence is his mind. Without his staggering intelligence, he thinks he really doesn’t deserve to live. Anything which compromises that literally erases his reason for being. And he sees the parallel, and it frightens and angers him.

    House is suddenly, colossally pissed at himself for allowing himself to love Cuddy enough that he would choose happiness over his work — that “you are so totally worth it” (can’t remember the episode name, the one where he blew off her award ceremony). Because she left him, so the sacrifice he made wasn’t worth it anymore.

    He’s angry because he doesn’t want to admit the possibility that “all the work I did before her [Cuddy] doesn’t mean anything.” So that’s what he’s trying to prove to himself. He’s trying to prove that he can exist without her. I think that’s what the smug smile is about.

    I don’t agree with any of that, mind you. I don’t think House is right that falling in love negates his intelligence or his contributions, I don’t think it’s better never to have loved at all than to have loved and lost, and I don’t think he had to crash his car into a house full of people to prove that he doesn’t need love, or Cuddy’s love in particular.

    But that chain of logic at least makes some sense.

  • Julia

    Barbara,
    I know that the feelings about this episode are very mixed and that many people actually liked it.
    But it’s clear that a good part of the audience reacted to the finale in a way that was very unexpected for the writers. Which IMO means that something went wrong in the creative process behind this episode (or in the execution).
    They have a big challenge for season 6…

  • Julia

    sorry I meant season 8 of course :)

  • BrokenLeg

    231@Action Kate

    I agree in all your post,in all your brilliant analysis about the House’s speech to the POTW. Specially how you connect it with the last moments of the epidode Recession Proof, in which House made that so, so, so beautiful and “housian” love declaration to Cuddy.
    The only part of your post I disagree is “But that chain of logic at least makes some sense”
    Not to me.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @231-Action Kate & @235-BrokenLeg

    I ever thought that between Recession Proof and Bomshells was a total disconection. I mean, Cuddy can´t say to House: “You are too drunk to end this relationship” and at the next step can say: “I´m sorry. I thought I can, but I can´t do it”…Well for me, still, has no sense. If House was too drunk for make a decision, Cuddy was too sick for make a decision. Well, we can think that between ep14 and ep15 was a “world of time” but, I remember, LE said that ep15 happened just at the end of ep14. For me, this “chain of logic” was broken in any moment that I lose.

    Also, I agree about the connect between House, the POTW and his feelings: “No mather what I did before…I can ruin all in a second”.

  • 2Lightworker

    232-@Julia
    “But it’s clear that a good part of the audience reacted to the finale in a way that was very unexpected for the writers. Which IMO means that something went wrong in the creative process behind this episode (or in the execution).”

    Yes – thanks for your insight!
    There probably is a multi-layered beside the scenes story that explains many puzzling developments over the season and particularly in the last two weeks, but that is just my speculation.

    Whatever the basis for your intuition that something was amiss behind the scenes, perhaps there needs to be some fresh air in the writers’ room, for these talented people to take a deep breath.

    This week on NPR, Scott Simon interviewed actor Michael Fassbender, who played Bobby Sands in the film about the North of Ireland Hunger Strikers, and is appearing as Magneto in “X-Men: First Class.”
    He said he found LA to be a place where it is difficult to interact with others, whereas when he is in other cities, he likes to walk around and talk with people.
    Somewhere I read that the writers’ room seeks to have a collective consciousness, and when Fassbender made this comment about LA, I thought perhaps they need psychological space. Someone has referred to the long days as being in an “airplane hangar,” and HL has spoken about not seeing the outside world because he is inside all day long.

    Some of our reactions to scripts and characterization in Season 7 remind me of House’s impassioned reaction to the author in “Unwritten,” when he becomes upset that she will end the character of “Jack.” Aside from the layers of her personal story, I remember her saying at the end, “I want to write stories for adults.” I just rewatched “Role Model” from Season 1, and was struck by the layered meanings, the social relevance of the issues, the amazing dialogue, and the sharp transitions – mature and provocative.

    I would wish the writers might take a break from writers’ room insulation, and hope that would provide them with the respite from which they could again write for adults. A balance of individual processing and group collaboration may enhance their perspective.

    I do enjoy KaBoom moments in films, digital movies, and fun for its own sake, as in “Red” with Helen Mirren and the Guys. I appreciate the observations that there were KaBooms in “House’s Head” and “Wilson’s Heart” (as well as in “Help Me,”) but I found that as part of the fabric of the story, rather than feeling it was to compensate for a lack of coherence.

    House offered me something so complex and different that it enriched my life, rather than became a substitute for it.
    I hope that there will be opportunity for the writers to take a long view on where they have been and where they really would like to go in Season 8. Although they probably “can’t go home again,” they do have the talent to draw on their body of work to make Season 8 memorable.

  • BrokenLeg

    236 @2Lighworker

    As always, soul mate,I agree with your toughts!!
    Specially:

    “I just rewatched “Role Model” from Season 1, and was struck by the layered meanings, the social relevance of the issues, the amazing dialogue, and the sharp transitions – mature and provocative.

    I would wish the writers might take a break from writers’ room insulation, and hope that would provide them with the respite from which they could again write for adults. A balance of individual processing and group collaboration may enhance their perspective.

    I do enjoy KaBoom moments in films, digital movies, and fun for its own sake, as in “Red” with Helen Mirren and the Guys. I appreciate the observations that there were KaBooms in “House’s Head” and “Wilson’s Heart” (as well as in “Help Me,”) but I found that as part of the fabric of the story, rather than feeling it was to compensate for a lack of coherence.

    House offered me something so complex and different that it enriched my life, rather than became a substitute for it.”

    If writer’s rooms is too isolated from the world, please,they go out and watch reactions, from all kind fandom, “ships”, Huddies, Hamerons, Hilsons,.. and normal viewers all over the world.
    And not be such arrogant ones. As 207 @BA wisely noted, both sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Dickens, took readers opinions in consideration as relevant ones.

    I’m beginning to think that the recent network problems on [H]ouse renovation or not for a new season 8 was dued to the corner place writers have carried the main characters:they can’t be from now as used to be. One (LC-LE) is totally burnt out and gone, other (GH-HL)becomes a phsyco more than a doctor, and other (JW-RSL)can’t be “the friend” again and becomes out of character too.
    It’s possible to say from the state things are now that next season will be a succesful one? One in what you’ll invest your money? Or, previewing on april the final season, they suspect such a big fall of viewers that was needed to, if renewal happens,do extreme pay cuts? It was not greed, but common sense?

  • 2Lightworker

    82-@60plus

    “Given that, and as shown by his desire to personally do the crash scene, it would appear that he went along with the script and the filming–even enthusiastically.”

    Not knowing, and probably never will know, what HL thinks of S 7 and especially this episode, I’ll give him a pass on wanting to do the crash scene, which has nothing to do with my own take on it nor discounting the many concerns expressed here.

    We know he’s very athletic and into motorcycles, sports cars, biking, and has recounted that when he was in a sports car race and felt bored, he got in touch with his depressive tendency…So I think his wanting to do the scene is more of that, besides perhaps a distraction from dynamics we will never know.

    He has said he likes Clint Eastwood – see Clint drive the jeep in “Kelly’s Heroes” shown in the US on Turner Classic Movies, made in 1970 when HL was 11.
    Guy stuff.

    I’d go with “Let Them Talk” and hope he stays his gentlemanly discreet self. Good role model.

  • 2Lightworker

    237-@BrokenLeg

    So good to hear from you.
    Obviously much we will never know, or at least not for a long while.
    It may be that the model they used in the past has not worked as well for WHATEVER reasons………..and those behind the scenes reasons account not only for the season and all that has been written on Barbara’s most excellent blog, but the perceptions in changes in dynamics between the actors.

    We just don’t know these things (anymore than in any public situation where there are politics and personality dynamics hidden from view).
    So my intention is to continue my immense enjoyment of the acting, hope for the best for whatever is to come after the summer, and focus good thoughts for all concerned.
    Even my son, who does not get into fan blogs or emotional reaction, sees a change in the writing, but continues to watch and thinks it’s all metaphor.
    So let’s see how the metaphor is played out.
    I hope to see our Wounded Healer/Anti-Hero journey play out in some redemptive way, and am not oblivious to the challenge of that post-“Moving On.”
    This quote from Joseph Campbell is what I would wish for Gregory House:
    “A hero is someone who has given his or her life to something bigger than oneself.”

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @237 – BrokenLeg

    “It’s possible to say from the state things are now that next season will be a succesful one? One in what you’ll invest your money? Or, previewing on april the final season, they suspect such a big fall of viewers that was needed to, if renewal happens,do extreme pay cuts? It was not greed, but common sense?”

    To the thread of your comment and my previous comment. I wonder if the writers themselves, actors, and even David Shore, will not be tired of all this are business. I mean, in recent interviews with RSL, we read how he talks about House only as a business, a way to make money. We also know that the renewal of House has been slow because of money. And finally, the renewal of actors has been affected by this fact, so much so that one of the main pillars of this series, Lisa Edelstein, will not be next season, which also presumably will be the last of House. As I said earlier, for me, After Hours, could have been the end of this season. I think we all agree that would have been a good ending to the season 7: “Something has to change … I know”.

    When money is more important than the stories you tell, everything becomes a problem. I knowthat precisely the money problems are the result of low ratings, and low ratings, are usually the result of bad stories or viewers tired. I do not know. What we do know is that when something stops being fun, when something is just job, when something is just money … does not work. I do not know if this is the case of House, I’m probably wrong. But, for example, so far, I did not know that the negotiations for the hiring of actors, were the responsibility of broadcasters. I always thought that the broadcasters, hired a series, and the heads of the series (David Shore and company) were responsible for hiring the actors, since they are the ones who really know who is right actor for each role. Honestly, I’m quite surprised with this matter.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @239 – 2Lightworker

    Even my son, who does not get into fan blogs or emotional reaction, sees a change in the writing, but continues to watch and thinks it’s all metaphor.”

    Do you not believe that is a problem that viewers have to assume this sort of thing? I mean, I am having a good time discussing with you, trying to understand the incomprehensible. But, Is this correct? Do we assume that this is what happened? In fact, not even the writers or the creator speak to us of metaphors, they talk about facts. David Shore talks about House as a potential murderer from the beginning. Why do we have to look further? Do we try to justify House? Do we try to justify David Shore? I don´t know. Writers write stories. They receive an order and transform it into a script. So far, none of them have talked about the facts metaphorically. Actually, none of them has recognized a change in the way of writing. We, the viewers, embark on this possibility. Why? Because we know the character and we see more probable that all of this is a metaphor, or even that all of this only exists in House´s head.

  • 2Lightworker

    240-
    @RedTulip_Ana
    (I love the passion of your posts!)

    Remember when the last round of Emmy’s were coming up in 2010 and HL was once again nominated (and did not win again), in his pre-Emmy little vid (the one where he referred to “the Angry Squirrel” yoga pose), he said VERY CLEARLY that “this is a business that favors the young and nubile,” and went on to say he was neither of those.
    So it IS a business.
    But it appears that somewhere since the end of Season 6, there have been snares and traps along the way that weakened the show’s position in negotiations.
    Hugh seems to be as loyal and hard-working as ever, but there is a subtle change of energy, and political power games are very draining, no matter his role in them, if any.

    So we saw the dramatic energy shift in his tour, his UK interviews, and hopefully in making “Mr. Pip.”
    I hope whatever is going on in LA, there can be some resolution that allows creativity and integrity of intention to lead the way.
    To be revealed…………..

  • BrokenLeg

    240 @RedTulip_Ana

    Passion on your work is what makes it enjoyable and succesful, always more than money you are paid for.
    Let me traduce, as best as I can, a piece of a Joan Maragall’s poem (Catalonian poet from the early XX c.):

    “Love your work, your vocation, your star,
    That thing for which you are talented,
    That one for which you are one and only among mankind.
    Be strong in your work as if from every detail you draw,
    From every word you write, from every brick you put,
    From every stroke of your hammer,
    Depends the salvation of the mankind.
    Because, believe me, it depends.”

    If writers, or TPTB, or someone in the gang, are unable now to feel same passion as the first seasons felt, and all job is only about money-making, the work will not be as good as it was.

  • 2Lightworker

    241-@RedTulip_Ana

    “So far, none of them have talked about the facts metaphorically. Actually, none of them has recognized a change in the way of writing. We, the viewers, embark on this possibility. Why? Because we know the character and we see more probable that all of this is a metaphor, or even that all of this only exists in House´s head.”

    As season 7 arrived at Ep. 15, “Bombshells,” some distraught fans who wanted to see how the relationship could be developed in depth even if it ended, wrote a lot of imaginative proposals about the symbolism, metaphor, dream and hallucination possibilities – all of which were more provocative than what was shown. (I know that others were pleased that the relationship arc ended.) Some held out that these would still be accurate, but we know now that the dream was in the mind of the fans who took the time to write those scenarios.

    Aside on what I said on our posts that crossed, I find it frustrating to follow the creative team’s comments, because they are not like the interviews I hear on National Public Radio with authors and other artists, where they discuss pro’s and con’s about their work, etc.
    These interviews seem intended for damage control, some interviewees are more respectful than others, but I can’t say I derive much insight. I’d rather hear two sentences from Hugh Laurie than listen to these interviews.

    I do not have a sense that the response of the viewer is in their comfort zone. Or what the feisty tweets to fans mean (and I am aware that some fans are abusive in what they say.)
    Hard to know what people (like my son) who are not into fan-shared blogs, really think about this, or what really has been the impact on viewers, rating-games or not.

    With some sensivity to David Shore and the team he assembled, this show (long before I watched it, but I have caught up) was not widely watched, and then it caught on in the tiger-by-the-tail style and became a global phenomenon. I wonder if that was more than the team was prepared to engage, because responding to many viewers takes a certain kind of skill in diplomacy and honesty, in balance. In Mr. Shore’s most recent interview that I watched, with Hugh Laurie, he seemed to be withdrawn, and Hugh carried the interview with his British charm and subtle comic gestures. It might be like a painter who somehow gets to show his or her work in a prominent gallery, or an actor who becomes an overnight stage success – how to handle it?
    Sometimes the smell of success is not so sweet.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @242 – 2Lightworker

    “So we saw the dramatic energy shift in his tour, his UK interviews, and hopefully in making “Mr. Pip.”
    I hope whatever is going on in LA, there can be some resolution that allows creativity and integrity of intention to lead the way.”

    Yes, I´ve seen Hugh Laurie here, in Europe, very enthusiastic, excited…living the music! Giving interviews, talking about everything. I’ve seen he…happy? In fact, whenever he talks about House he says that next season will be the last, among other things, because he does not want to go further. Tired of his character? Tired of of the series? Tired of go back to square one? Tired of “this is just business”? When he talks about music, he never says “this is just business”, he loves the music and movies. What happens in LA, as you say, we may never know.

    @243 – BrokenLeg

    Thanks for the poem! THIS! When you love what you do, you do it better!

  • BrokenLeg

    239 @2Lightworker
    Nice to hear of you too!!
    You have luck if your grown son is also still a viewer. At least you have someone to comment episodes.
    My 23-years old son, a newly fresh MD himself, and once a huge fan of [H], has abandoned viewing it, due both the childish characters’ behavior and lack of credibility of POTW medical cases. And my husband, also a MD, watch it simply as a “divertimentto” before falling asleep in front of TV.
    So, it’s nice to have this “second [H]ouse world”, or something like that, as RedTulip_Ana has called this blog.

    240 @RedTulip_Ana
    I LOBE your posts!!!!!!!!….And your so [H]ouse passionate nature!

  • 2Lightworker

    243-@BrokenLeg

    Oh my, love your sharing your poetry.
    Sadly, it seems across a gulf that will need great artistry to be crossed.

    Martin Luther King, Jr. preached a sermon in which he took the example of the humble street sweeper, and said that for a meaningful life, we must be the best we can be, even if as a humble street sweeper. (He was assassinated when he advocated for sanitation workers, and was challenging the issues of economics and racism in relation to the Vietnam War.)
    That is not on the same wavelength as “It’s just business” and why some very sensitive creative people cannot survive in the business end of the arts.

    Actually, RSL tells his truth, but we don’t like to hear it – the money helps him to do what he wants.

    And Hugh acknowledges that his fame and fortune from House has enabled him to follow his passion for music – even though he frames it in his usual modest and carefully thought out way.

  • 2Lightworker

    246-@BrokenLeg

    (Have to go out) just want to say,
    although my son watches, and is guy of few words, he chuckles at his mom’s interest.
    But he does record episodes when he’s playing basketball on [H] nights.

    And two other men friends said they worried about my investment, so I don’t say much, except occasionally to send one of the great posts on House Daily Dose.

    TTYL :-)))

  • BrokenLeg

    244 @2Lightworker

    From your post:

    “With some sensivity to David Shore and the team he assembled, this show (long before I watched it, but I have caught up) was not widely watched, and then it caught on in the tiger-by-the-tail style and became a global phenomenon. I wonder if that was more than the team was prepared to engage, because responding to many viewers takes a certain kind of skill in diplomacy and honesty, in balance. In Mr. Shore’s most recent interview that I watched, with Hugh Laurie, he seemed to be withdrawn, and Hugh carried the interview with his British charm and subtle comic gestures. It might be like a painter who somehow gets to show his or her work in a prominent gallery, or an actor who becomes an overnight stage success – how to handle it?
    Sometimes the smell of success is not so sweet.”

    Maybe it’s the good explanation for all this turmoil.
    Enjoy HL’s LET THEM TALK. A breath of fresh air!!!!!

    240@ RedTulip_Ana

    In [H]ouse case, Network ( in this case NBC-Uni- Comcast)is WHO pay actors, producers,costs, etc..

  • Jacksam4eva

    I know it’s pretty late to comment and everything but I just needed to say this: I think this interview has helped me cope with what hapenned in the show and even if I’m not really “looking forward” to season 8, I will watch it, just like Blake said, because I believe these writers still have something to tell us. I said all I had to say about my opinion on the finale on the open-thread but this interview actually allowed me to feel more “peaceful” about it. Barbara, I love that you leave the writers talk, express their opinions and concerns and cut and take out of context pretty much everything they say like others do. I believe that a lot of the hate on this fandom towards David Shore was due to short quotes we were gave and I’d like to now give him the benefit of the doubt. The explanations of the writers, even though we might not always agree with them, at least made sense in this interview. I love the fact that they were taken aback by people calling House’s behaviour homicidal. In fact, I did say that myself but now I understand that, even if it didn’t really change my opinion of the finale, it really wasn’t what they meant to do and it now appears to be just a great lack of judgment on their part but not a murder attempt on House’s. I love Lingenfelter’d take (or I think it was his, I hope I’m not mistaken) on the question as to why House acted the way he did, saying that he, unconsciously, wanted to tear apart any possibility of a relationship with Cuddy (be it even professional interaction) because maybe he thought it hurt too much. This was a good take, we’ll see if it’s carried on in season 8. And thanks for telling the Huddies “we feel your pain” I think I, at least, needed that.

    But yeah, let’s just give kudos Hugh Laurie for those CRAZY driving skills!

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @244 – 2Lightworker

    Yeah, well, I am a person who has been engaged in the idea of “all this is at the head of House, because it can not be true. ” Indeed, until recently, I’ve always thought that all we have seen this season, we have been passed through the filter of the head of House. Do not talk about hallucinations. It’s another thing. It’s like when someone tells a story. Tells us what he sees, shows his point of view. And in that boat I’ve been sailing since Bombshells. Actually, I’m not sure I even docked in port.

    What is clear is that the end we’ve had, is the end we’ve seen. And by far, your son (and many viewers) want to see the story as a metaphor, or other viewers, like me (and many others) really want to see that things are not so in the end, things have been so.

    That is why I said before, if you thought that everything was fine? Despite having our final, despite having our interviews, we continue here in our “second world around House”.

    @246 – BrokenLeg

    I have the same problem, I can not talk to anyone (except on the web) about House. Last Tuesday I had a lunch with friends, and we started talking about TV series. Most of my friends were crazy fans of Lost. I still remember the hours they spent talking about Lost. I did not get passion about this series. And I can assure you how I hated that they discussed about the series. I said to myself, how is it possible to stay the night without sleep to watch the episode live on the Internet? Now I understand everything. Before, I watche House in Spain, when it came here. Then I started watching House downloaded the day after its U.S. broadcast. And finally, on Monday, I did not sleep to watch it on live. Now I understand my friends. But, of course, they could discuss between them. None of them watches House now. Everyone stopped to watch it at the end of the third season. And now just a friend is following House. So I have to say again, yes, thankfully there is this “second world” (and Twitter, of course).

  • BrokenLeg

    248 @2Lightworker

    Guys!!!!Mine use to protest by his mum using “too much” TV-HD recording [H]ouse episodes….
    And about Martin Luther King,please, no explanations needed!! He belongs to all mankind.Remembering his assassination when Obama won was such a deep moment!!

  • housemaniac

    ActionKate @231: Thank you for your post; it is very clarifying. And it reminded me of how the House character is modeled on Sherlock Holmes who purports to be all mind and no heart, to believe in intellect above all else and that emotional life can only undermine his intellect and thus his work. (He chooses instead the controlled escape of drugs.) It seems that DS et al. have decided to hold fast to this aspect of Holmes. However, House clearly DOES have an emotional life–it is evident in every epidsode. (Conan Doyle rarely wrote about Holmes’ emotions and he basically had no personal life.)

    So maybe one of the problems with the show now is the unresolved tension between House-as-Holmes and House as, well, House! And of course HL has something to “say” about the inner life of House as well. This brilliant actor will always giver us some shades of gray. So, yes, there is a running theme in House of intellect above all else. House clearly believes his unusually incisive mind is the most important thing, at times the only thing. Problem is, that is not how he lives his life! (Whereas that is how Holmes lived his life.) Not only that, but as many people have noted on this blog (and others), it turns out that many viewers are just as if not more interested in House’s inner life, and his struggles with that life, as in his intellectual brilliance. I think DS’s rigid commitment to House’s belief in the centrality of intellect is just as big a problem as his rigid to commitment to the adage that “people don’t change.” I hope that next season TPTB will keep the tension between intellectual excellence and House’s obvious personal needs and desires and not give us only the two poles of extreme rationality and extreme irrationality, as they did in “Moving On.”

    Finally, I want to add my three cheers for the alternate Housean universe that Barbara has enabled and the fans here have created. Thank you, one and all!

  • AreKay

    @235 – RedTulip_Ana

    (Also, I agree about the connect between House, the POTW and his feelings: “No mather what I did before…I can ruin all in a second”.)

    And so they did!

    @236 – 2Lightworker

    (Some of our reactions to scripts and characterization in Season 7 remind me of House’s impassioned reaction to the author in “Unwritten,” when he becomes upset that she will end the character of “Jack.”)

    Do the writers truly understand how invested we are in House after having him come into our homes each week for seven years? Or do they shake their heads and wonder how we can be so passionate about fictional characters that even they and the actors who portray them view as simply a show and a business?

    @237 – BrokenLeg and #207 – BA

    (If writer’s rooms is too isolated from the world, please,they go out and watch reactions, from all kind fandom, “ships”, Huddies, Hamerons, Hilsons,.. and normal viewers all over the world.
    And not be such arrogant ones. As 207 @BA wisely noted, both sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Dickens, took readers opinions in consideration as relevant ones.)

    Barbara,

    Have any of the people you’ve interviewed from House ever commented that they are aware of this blog and have read posts written by the fans here?

    In my mind, this would be an excellent source for them to gauge the pulse of their audience as comments here are well thought out and intelligently written as opposed to wild rants that they may have encountered elsewhere that are not helpful to anyone.

    #245 – Red Tulip_Ana

    (Yes, I´ve seen Hugh Laurie here, in Europe, very enthusiastic, excited…living the music! Giving interviews, talking about everything. I’ve seen he…happy? In fact, whenever he talks about House he says that next season will be the last, among other things, because he does not want to go further. Tired of his character? Tired of of the series? Tired of go back to square one? Tired of “this is just business”? When he talks about music, he never says “this is just business”, he loves the music and movies. What happens in LA, as you say, we may never know.)

    I noticed how Hugh seems to have made a considered effort to divorce his music from House, ie. he appears clean-shaven, he was clearly flustered at how his mention of “Huddy” was not taken as he had intended. He seemed to want to say – House is a character I play…this is me, Hugh, performing the music I love. He seems ready to leave House behind and to go on to pursue other acting and musical gigs. And he seems so relaxed and happy now. RSL wants to do more stage acting. Katie Jacobs is looking forward to new pursuits.

    @243 – BrokenLeg

    (If writers, or TPTB, or someone in the gang, are unable now to feel same passion as the first seasons felt, and all job is only about money-making, the work will not be as good as it was.)

    THIS!!!

  • rjw

    Barbara,
    I really wasn’t expecting House to ram Cuddy’s house (if he really did),but it certainly doesn’t ruin the series for me.I am very curious how this will all be resolved next season.I agree, I don’t think he’s in his right mind (just having Wilson tell him that things need to change doesn’t mean that suddenly everything does).Hope you have an enjoyable and peaceful summer!

  • Nate

    I apologize for any attacking. I didn’t mean for it to be an attack. I -like many others- am just trying to explain my point of view. And I think it is very premature to leave the show when we have yet to see the inevitable fall out from this all in season 8. So, again I apologize and do not mean to attack anyone.

  • 2Lightworker

    245@RedTulip_Ana
    Re Hugh’s comment on Season 8 as last, my impression is that he refers to that as the last season for which he is under contract; he has not announced it in any other way I have read, but has said he needs time then to write his book which is much overdue, etc. It appears that this will be the last season, but “never say never.” He did ask for time May-July to do his music tour and make “Mr. Pip” and that is more than he usually requested, according to Katie Jacobs.

    Your post 251 @RedTulip_Ana – Hope I’m tuned in to this,
    whether metaphor but not literal, or the story as understood by the psyche of House.
    My son made the metaphor point to me when I was stunned at the end of “Bombshells” and told him I was not alone but in line with others’ reactions (I know not everyone felt that way). Then I read the other interpretations – symbolic? – that you and others provided, including incredible music and fairytale work done on House Daily Dose.
    But somehow, I didn’t feel that it was all just his way of seeing OR a metaphor for his journey. I felt that the writers were presenting something that was really happening, for their own reasons of interpreting House’s story. I could not feel amused by “Out of the Chute” because of the way women were portrayed, even though I grasped his desperate state, and was not amused by the Segway and other antics in “Fall from Grace” but most troubled by the Green Card Wife and the casual treatment of immigrants who seek stability after being displaced in some way.

    No, I did not feel it was all fine. I felt manipulated by the long build-up to the House and Cuddy relationship and then the superficial way it was (not) developed, the peculiar change in the characters, especially of Cuddy, and the abrupt ending. But people have said that at great length, so I’ll let that be.
    At the end of “Bombshells,” I felt I had been punched in the stomach at the ending, and it took a lot of personal reflection on why I identified with these fictional characters; even with insight, the shock took quite some time to diminish. I would watch old “Jeeves and Wooster” episodes or “A Bit of Fry and Laurie” or British 19th century “feel good” series to reclaim laughter.

    Although I did not feel good in any way about Cuddy’s abrupt dismissal of House from her life without processing and working on the situation, I still felt pain when I saw her leave the wedding and sit on the bed. I loved the scenes with Rachel in “After Hours” and would have loved for that relationship to continue in Season 8.
    Given the heavy drama with House, I found the subplots with 13/Chase, Taub, etc. and even the patients, to be distractions. Too much going on, too many levels of psychic pain, for a 40 minute episode. As to the finale, I do not feel fine about it at all, for all the reasons that have been said so well on this blog, as well as feeling cheated of the kind of exploration of the House-Cuddy relationship I expected, and feel that the last moment between them was poignant, yet too little too late. And I don’t feel good that Lisa is gone. I saw his action as that of a man taken over totally by jealous rage at abandonment and exclusion, but that does not justify it – and I think now that such a depiction is irresponsible both morally and artistically.
    I don’t think they can reclaim their model, but want very much for the writers to up the ante to a higher level.

    252-@BrokenLeg – Thank you for your response about MLK; he becomes more relevant all the
    time.

    254-@AreKay
    (Some of our reactions to scripts and characterization in Season 7 remind me of House’s impassioned reaction to the author in “Unwritten,” when he becomes upset that she will end the character of “Jack.”)

    Do the writers truly understand how invested we are in House after having him come into our homes each week for seven years? Or do they shake their heads and wonder how we can be so passionate about fictional characters that even they and the actors who portray them view as simply a show and a business?

    I’ve written elsewhere that I remembered Hugh saying just before “Broken” when fans were anxious about what would happen to House at Mayfield, that “these are fictional characters.” We know that, but he portrays the character of House with such depth and feeling, that we get drawn into the story, even though it is a story and not RL.

    Although I don’t know what the writers think of viewer reaction, my impression from their interviews is that they have a dispassionate view of emotional response to their stories. I don’t think this is about “get a life,” because so many of us live active and involved lives, and House has enriched our experience in good storytelling. However, from the tone of the interviews, and I don’t mean they intend to be condescending, I am not clear that they consider that with such profound and complex characters and often tragic storylines, we come from our own life experience and project emotions, some of which have not yet healed and so remind us of pain, anger, love, hate, etc. as we project onto the characters. I think that is something they don’t do in connecting what they present and viewer reaction. I think that’s what I had in mind when House showed such intensity of feeling about the character “Jack,” and the author was detached and focusing on her next book.
    So this place of sharing, which is more often than not sensitive and respectful even in disagreement, is where we can bring those feelings.

    It also feels like a fun time for the guys when they play with special effects with cannonball jumps from balconies, remotes in the hospital lobby, monster trucks in the parking lot and on Princeton streets, Segways in the hospital, and the super fast driving/turns by Hugh in the finale. It appears from stills of making the show that they really have a good time, and it would be unrealistic to expect empathy for viewer emotions when they are kicking the can all over the lot.

    Re your comment on Hugh separating his music from House, I think that is a valid gesture as an artist. He needs to forge his newly emerging identity in music. It can be confusing – you probably saw the hilarious interview when he described how when he and his wife were trying to catch the train out of Germany, and the schedule was very tight, and fans of House pursued him with House photos, and when he couldn’t autograph them (as he had earlier after the concerts), they tore the pictures up and shouted “Oohhh” which he said he thought was like “Boooo.” Someone caught that on camera and a video circulated that showed what happened exactly as Hugh described.
    So he has to begin to make a new way in which he doesn’t carry the charismatic [H]ouse icon as the only image representing who he is.

  • Suzie

    @ rjw 255

    I agree with you about him ramming his car into Cuddy’s house, i was shocked that he did it but for once in the whole show he was completely irrational and lashed out.

    If that was a normal person lashing out over a build up of emotional tension then said person may have punched a door or wall etc but this is “House” realizing he cannot define everything into a logical being and admit this is all just emotional so as is his nature he cranks the impact of his lashing out up to an eleven.

    I am extremely curious for season 8 also.

  • Blablabla

    No surprise for season 8, House will be in Mayfield again (can’t wait to see Dr Nolan again), he’s taking too much vicodin to be clean by himself without medical assistance and what he did to Cuddy is a little bit scary, it will be easy to explain cuddy’s departure. Run Cuddy run…

  • Kris

    It’s funny because when I saw the end of “Moving On” it never crossed my mind that House wanted to kill Cuddy or anybody else for that matter. I was shocked at what he did, but I never thought of him as homicidal. That said we have seen him do many dangerous things before at the risk of other people’s health, (Obviously nothing as drastic as crashing a car into someone’s house) like when he gave the gun back to the sick guy holding hostages, or when he shot the potato gun at his competition. The obvious example of House’s dark side is something I haven’t heard anyone mention yet. Way back in season 5 House was appalled to learn that his own sub-conscience tried to kill Chase at the bachelor party. So we have seen that House is capable of violence, even if he buries those urges so deep inside himself that his own rational mind is disturbed by them. I thinks it’s perfectly clear that House was not thinking with his rational mind when he crashed the car. House driving the car into Cuddy’s home is similar to that of him poisoning (you know what I mean) Chase. In both cases the threat of death was there, but I don’t think he thought anyone would actually be killed in either circumstance. If he wanted Chase and Cuddy dead, they would have been gone a long time ago. ;)
    At the end of season 7, House is in a place we have never seen him before, and as Barbara said earlier, Wilson is always going on about the “dark place” House might revert back to. Wilson has seen House at his lowest, but we haven’t. Perhaps now we are getting a glimpse of it now and will begin to explore it more in season 8. Wilson is worried, the viewers are worried, but we should be worried. We are supposed to be worried. Will House ever recover from this? Tune in to find out.

  • Blablabla

    Kris – You’re right, House is irrational, of course he’s not a murderer, but he’s in such a mental state that he needs help and for a long time (my question : how can he be back as a doctor?). I wouldn’t have been surprised to see Amber on the seat back of his car.

  • http://youcansuckmynote.com justabitterfan

    I really don’t see how or why House came to the point that he had to crash his car to Cuddy’s House. True, Cuddy had hurt House, true she was being selfish and whiny when they were in the relationship together. She always made him feel inadequate and always spat in his face about his limp and his leg, set up tripwires for him, had him go to a thanksgiving dinner to an empty home and she had her faults too when they were still together, broke up with him because he can’t ever choose being happy without the drugs But what about House? He never opened up to her fully, can’t even be by her side when she thought she had cancer and dying – and only with the help of vicodin, played with her feelings for years, when we SAW ALL THOSE YEARS CUDDY HAD PROTECTED HIM FOR HIS JOB, STILL HIRED HIM EVEN WITHOUT HIS LICENSE, PERJURED FOR HIM AND KEPT HIM AT BAY. If that does not prove she has feelings other than wanting to help him despite his jerk-y behavior, then I don’t know what she all did it for. I can say she gambled to be in the relationship with him, or maybe she just wanted to TRY OUT AND HOW IT WILL BE TO BE WITH HOUSE, but I don’t see how House can be that ANGRY to the point of losing his mind and risking lives. TPTB can all say House know’s what he’s doing, he’s never really intended to kill anyone. But David Shore, as a lawyer himself, could have known all along how it will be in legal court, right? Example:

    Atty: Are you saying you are not aiming for the victim’s chest, That ultimately killed him?
    Suspect: No sir, I was just aiming at his collar.

    I am no lawyer nor law student but an educated person like me, know’s what a vehicular manslaughter is and what domestic violence looks like. And the repurcussions and aftermath of what Cuddy and others might have felt after and will feel for days and time to come after what House had done. True it is fiction and just a TV Show, but what they depict mirrors real life and House MD just shown that domestic violence is just an okay response for a breakup? They are going to such lenghts just for shock value? Am I really supposed to say Cuddy had it coming, and House is a timebomb and I expect him to be like that. No. Wherever it came from, and the reason behind it, I don’t get it. Nor I am staying to find out next season. House MD had become a nest of misogynists who dont care for their female characters, write sloppily for them. I am not defending House or Cuddy for what has become of their relationship, I loved Huddy and I may always and constantly complain how they were written but to say I am just a Huddy shipper and watch for the show just because of it, No. I started watching after I saw Autopsy and was blwon away by the character of House, his brilliant ducklings, his sidekick Wilson and Cuddy whom he sparred with + the medical puzzles and thought processes it gave me. So it’s really unfair to say for some that a Huddy shipper just watches it for Huddy. Season 6, went downhill I stayed because most of the cast are worth watching for. Season 7 gave a new promise but I guess TPTB were too lazy or were just gotten too abrupt with H/C relationship and the shock values are just way off. I am done investing for a depressing show like this. David Shore doesn’t know what happy endings are and I know there’s no happy ending’s but we can hope, but there’s no sunshine on House MD, just this deep dark tunnel. Am glad for some who will still watch. I’m getting out the dark tunnel. Thank you!

  • Blablabla

    Maybe the experimental drug has also something to do with his violent behavior, Dr Gregory House is now Dr David Banner.

  • yjust a thought

    When we saw the promo of The Dig, they showed as in the POTW house what looked like a cadaver. And it was not so.
    Who knows what twist this final episode will have next season. I think we are just frustraded because we have to wait so long to really know what’s going on.
    I agree that the car crash seems absolutely absurd and so final for [H]ouse, but I just keep thinking, there got to be more to this.
    The episode started with what happened 3 days later, and I’m wondering if this is a clue and that somehow this will be the twist. I am taking the car crash in Cuddy’s house as a promo for next episode
    PS I am also tired of his call girls.
    If Season 8 is really the last season for [H]ouse I hope they will do like they did with Perry Mason and Colombus and make 4 – 5 episodes a year 2 1/2 – 3 hours long, naturally with ACE writing. The exit of this show for me is that after each episode we have something to think, talk about, and be surprised again and again. And the acting of HL is super, he really carries the show.
    There are many things I do not like, but I live for the interactions of [H]ouse with the others. That is the show for me, more than anything else.
    I also belive that LE – Cuddy can be substituted with another actress.

  • Robin

    Kris, comment #260: you make excellent points and have given me a new perspective on House’s behavior, especially in the finale. Thank you. :)

  • 2Lightworker

    262-@Justabitterfan

    House MD had become a nest of misogynists who dont care for their female characters, write sloppily for them. I am not defending House or Cuddy for what has become of their relationship, I loved Huddy and I may always and constantly complain how they were written but to say I am just a Huddy shipper and watch for the show just because of it, No. I started watching after I saw Autopsy and was blwon away by the character of House, his brilliant ducklings, his sidekick Wilson and Cuddy whom he sparred with + the medical puzzles and thought processes it gave me. So it’s really unfair to say for some that a Huddy shipper just watches it for Huddy.

    Like this – I started in Season 5, March 2009, backtracked and watched earlier eps, loved the anti-authority attitude, unexpected plot twists, House’s outrageous and seductive persona as played so brilliantly by HL (who IMHO makes this show) and responded to the H/C dynamic – and feel put down when posts ridicule liking the relationship and being sad over its end.
    Unlike some, I can still watch earlier eps and enjoy them. Something happened this season that has undermined my confidence in where this story is going. I really don’t need to descend through Dante’s circles, given the state of the world, but I will tune in come fall, with “fear and trembling.”

    264-yjust a thought

    PS I am also tired of his call girls.
    If Season 8 is really the last season for [H]ouse I hope they will do like they did with Perry Mason and Colombus and make 4 – 5 episodes a year 2 1/2 – 3 hours long, naturally with ACE writing. The exit of this show for me is that after each episode we have something to think, talk about, and be surprised again and again. And the acting of HL is super, he really carries the show.
    There are many things I do not like, but I live for the interactions of [H]ouse with the others. That is the show for me, more than anything else.

    Yes – and like that idea about the longer, more occasional eps – from HL’s response that he needed a break after the last season to come, so he can finish his book, etc., but seemed to leave the door open for something future, perhaps this would be possible. BBC drama follow this pattern. Maybe they could film in the UK and provide a fresh atmosphere and he wouldn’t be stuck in the LA airplane hangar day after day.

  • ann uk

    bigHouse Fan 199
    I meant to say that I am pleased you agree with my take on House -I sometimes feel a bit outnumbered!
    I find some of the reaction rather puzzling.House has always been “way out on the fringe” as Wilson says. Capable of great good and great harm (mostly to himself ).Barbara Barnett called him a fallen angel.And now people want him to be bad but not TOO bad like a soap opera character ?

    House is a tragic hero-you don’t get many of those on TV.We should be grateful for writers who can conceive him and most of all, an actor who can embody him.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @257 – 2Lightworker

    You said I´m passionate on my posts…C´mon! you are the queen of comments, really! Also I wish I have your excellent vocabulary. Sometimes I feel very “clumsy” because my English doesn´t let me express all my feelings.

    Well, about our thing in common. Yes, I feel like you, and I even don´t know if as more we repeat that it will be better or worse. I was “working” during months searching for clues with HouseDailyDose (she is incredible, really, her job and involmement is fantastic), also people who comment here, like @fatOlady, were on that boat…Months and months searching clues in the music, the words, the acts, even I was looking so many time the name of the film that House was watching after his weading (finally, one of the writers gave us the title on twitter)…So, why were we looking for this clues? Because ALL that new world of House was incomprehensible for us, like you said: the hookers, the segway, the alcohol, the pool…the green card wife! Also the interaction between House and Cuddy never were funny like time ago. Well, after all these months, now we feel cheated and sad, but one of the main reason is because we expected more of this show than even its creator expected.

    Now, we (long time viewers, eventual viewers, new viewers, you, your son, I…) only have to wait and see what the writers have to say to us next season. I repeat, like in my first post in this thread, that I don´t want to be involved in a new House, because, for me, the House after season 7 will be a new House, and if the old House touch my heart (and my mind) in the way that I need to talk about it like I´d do with a psychiatrist, I don´t want to feel the same again. (Probably, in september I will feel better and I will want to erase these words).

    About Hugh and his words…yes, maybe he only talked like this because next year will be the last in his contract, and if he had seen problems to renew the series this year, he could imagine how will be the problems after next season…well, eight years on the air are so many years…he can feel so proud of this!

    @254 – AreKay

    Do the writers truly understand how invested we are in House after having him come into our homes each week for seven years? Or do they shake their heads and wonder how we can be so passionate about fictional characters that even they and the actors who portray them view as simply a show and a business?

    Good question! Well, when I talked about “this is only business”, I don´t really think this like an universal truth or like all the crew really feel this. I know that they know people are so invested in this show. But, yes, maybe with “Unwritten” they were telling to us: “Eyy, stop, this is only a TvShow”. I don´t know…Maybe David Shore realized that people felt House like reality and wanted to erase this feeling giving us this “car crash into a house”…

    @262 – justabitterfan

    when we SAW ALL THOSE YEARS CUDDY HAD PROTECTED HIM FOR HIS JOB, STILL HIRED HIM EVEN WITHOUT HIS LICENSE, PERJURED FOR HIM AND KEPT HIM AT BAY. If that does not prove she has feelings other than wanting to help him despite his jerk-y behavior, then I don’t know what she all did it for.

    YES! Maybe we can said this: “No matter what I did before, because I can ruin all in a second”, also to Cuddy. In that moment House seems to forget all the things Cuddy did for him in the past.

    Well, as more as I think about it, as more I feel sad, but also I was starting to think in the idea (that people commented here) about if House made this horrible thing for be sure SHE never will forgive him, so he never will have hopes for recover her love.

    And about the “domestic violence”, again I have to say NOT…C´mon! I never saw this action like this way. It was an extreme reaction but don´t take it like domestic violence.

    @264 – yjust a thought

    I also belive that LE – Cuddy can be substituted with another actress.

    Well, it could be a solution for this situation, but, after seven years, I can´t buy this. OoOh…people will never forgive TPTB if they do it, believe me. Even, it could be a good idea for the show, it wouldn´t work because Lisa Edelstein made Lisa Cuddy, I mean, she gave the life to this character. A Cuddy interpreted by another actreess won´t have a good aceptation.

  • Heather

    “The creative team may not share your vision, but there has never been consensus on the series as to even what the show is, nor even the motivations of its main character. I am very curious about how House will feel about what he’s done after he realizes (he is not in his right mind at this point, in my opinion)”

    As House would say: “4 REALZ?” That certainly explains a lot.

    No wonder I felt the storylines have been increasingly schizophrenic. I think this season, and to a certain extent last season, there’s been huge shifts in a lot of the story arcs. Inexplicable shifts, IMHO, but easily explained if the writers have held (increasingly?) disparate views of House’s motivations and future.

  • bigHousefan

    You wrote in a prior post “you could describe a tragic hero as one who is destroyed by his own virtues.House has always been a character obsessed with “doing the right thing”but he has no belief in natural goodness.As he says in “One Day One Room ” , ” we are base , selfish creatures crawling accross the world, but …if we try really hard we can sometimes achieve something not wholly evil”. For House the world is a dark place where he struggles with anger, pain and loneliness. His anger has far deeper roots than Cuddy’s betrayal or even his bleak childhood.”

    For me, your words encapsulate the character I love!

    And I wrote earlier, “I interpreted this as House the Rational and master of suppressing/dismissing the emotional (and I’ll add here, to protect himself) completely unable to cope with the enormity of the loss of Cuddy. And worse, he observes her with someone new in her home where he enjoyed an intimate family life with Cuddy and Rachel. He stopped doing battle with his inner-demons and worse than surrender to them, he EMBRACED them.   He gave up all hope and felt LIBERATED in doing so.  His demeanor on the beach was of total liberation.  

    All of his mantras: all love is conditional, giving in to baser drives, we’re all wildebeests dying on the riverbank (Live the Dream), none of this means anything, he doesn’t need human connection or deserve it (Son of a Coma Guy) etc…In House’s mind he’s been proven right – and he’s pleased with himself.

    I love the character, House. I’m sad he is in this mentally sick state. I hope by series end we find House at peace with himself.”

    I think we share a like perspective and we’re certainly not alone in our enormous respect for Hugh Laurie’s talent and stunning portrayal of this tragic character.

    You mentioned earlier something to the effect of Mr. Laurie’s achievement/critical acclaim here was not really recognized in the UK. I have family there and once launched into my admiration for Mr. Laurie’s talents and what a phenomenon House is here (and around the world) and I think they thought I was a bit mad!

    In conclusion, you are not alone! :)

  • bigHousefan

    Sorry! My post 270 is in reference to Ann UK 267

  • Amie

    Thank you for the interview Barbara.

    It was nice hearing about the symbolism of the hairbrush which I hadn’t noticed (I’m sure you would have pointed that out in your review, BB).

    It was interesting knowing that the crash was initially planned in episode 19. That explains why David Shore said the relationship lasted longer than originally planned.
    So the breakup was to be held in ep 11 or 12 maybe with the repercussions in episodes 13-18, the crash in 19 and the consequence in 20-23.
    Several thoughts come to mind:
    #1- Does it mean that the aftermath of the crash will last the 4 first episodes of season 8 (Maybe not since they have to do without Cuddy and think of a different story).
    #2- I wonder also which episodes where added to fill the blanks left by moving the crash to ep 23 instead of 19 (I’d vote for A pox on our House, because that “lie-arc” did not deserve 3 ep’s).
    #3- Boy was that relationship really meant to be explored! (sarcasm)

    I’m sorry I may come in a bit late on the debate but I don’t feel my view of things has been represented a lot (except #98 and #112).

    I feel I’m in the minority here. I really didn’t think House was trying to kill anyone and I really got that he was letting his feelings out.
    It was quite obviously set up with the teaser, with a video of an inside camera of the car crash released by GY just before the episode aired, and Wilson and Cuddy constantly and annoylingly telling House to say what he feels and letting things out (and I might add that it felt too contrived for Cuddy to do that since she has not been talking to him since the end of Bombshells).
    I was therefore not surprised about the crash (say it coming) and that House would do something so extreme (never thought he was homicidal). I was actually waiting for another surprise (promised by GY) at the end of the episode since the crash was so obvious. So when the episode ended I was like “Is that it???”

    I felt like Maddie (#98) and 77 (#112) :
    “It’s just all boring to me now honestly”
    “The themes are all going to be retreads of ground they’ve already covered, they’ll just be variations on a theme. All in all, uninteresting. (…)No growth because he can’t change. Just more misery for us and him”).”

    It all just felt like things we’ve seen before, House doing something crazy, just more extreme each time. I’m bored. I’m not amused anymore. I don’t care for his antics anymore. I was excited for season 7 because I thought we would see a new side of House. I am not at all excited for season 8.

    At first, I was sad to hear LE was leaving because we won’t have any closure between the two characters. But seeing what they did to their relationship, I really don’t see how any closure would have been possible. I really don’t see how they would fit Cuddy in House’s story anymore seeing the big wall of China they just built. So her character is pretty much useless anyway.
    Except if Rachel (or Wilson) was to be dying, in need of a new heart and House would give his life to give her his heart. That’s the only way I see a redemption with the mess he’s got himself into. But I don’t see House as the seeking redemption type. He has always taken responsibilty for all of his actions. Always done everything consciously.

    I honestly don’t know if I’ll keep watching. Maybe if there is nothing else interesting on…
    I’m bored and sad of the waisted opportunities and incoherent story lines (come on, after an entire season of pining for Cuddy, he can’t be there when she’s dying? He, who has always been there for her (who’s your daddy, 5 to 9…)

  • Blablabla

    @268 – RedTulip_Ana “It was an extreme reaction but don´t take it like domestic violence.”

    I think it was more a crime passionnel than domestic violence, and even with this unbelievable car crash, I wouldn’t take the bet that House has definitively moved on (with cuddy and his life). It’s just an impulsive and violent behavior reinforced by too much vicodin and perhaps also the experimental drug. (remember his strange behavior in Wilson’s office after he lost a bet)

  • 2Lightworker

    268-RedTulip_Ana
    Your language and ideas are great and I admire your ability to write in more than one language! Ha ha queen of comments, I don’t think so – but this morning I had time and perhaps am a bit more trusting of the way this blog helps to process………….

    Just to add that I read most of the ideas about the clues, and thought the work was amazing, creative, so very smart……….and yet an inner voice warned me that this was not the way it was with the “creative team” –

    I felt that “Unwritten” was the last episode when House (and Cuddy) seemed to be as I had experienced them, but recall (I think-?) that Hugh/House made some witty remarks about fans in his role as a fan of the books about Jack, and then toward the end was the moment when he felt so strongly and the writer kind of blew him off, tho’ not unkindly, that she was going on to something else.

    With hindsight, that seems to be what has happened – all that I had experienced in the characters and storyline shifted, and I increasingly felt that I was falling through a hole in the season. And with the feelings that I had from Episode 15 on, I did. I lost my objectivity about the light and dark sides of the character(s), as well as my prior enjoyment of the mirroring of good times and bad.

    But I never thought I was “promised a rose garden,” so if the “creative team” can proceed with deeper revelation of House the wounded healer/anti hero, I am ready to follow that come the fall. I take the smile at the beach like waking up in the morning and feeling good about one more day. I look forward to how Hugh plays this out.

  • Blablabla

    @272 – Amy : “I was therefore not surprised about the crash (say it coming) and that House would do something so extreme (never thought he was homicidal). I was actually waiting for another surprise (promised by GY) at the end of the episode since the crash was so obvious. So when the episode ended I was like “Is that it???”

    Yep! me too, it was not a big surprise, as producers say other and other again, House won’t change, and I thought about something bigger, such amputation, or something else, but with this finale, we can expect that House will be back after some holidays in mayfield or in jail, but he’ll be the same (but just without vicodin as in season 6), and to be honest I don’t want him to change but I just want some big twist in the end, and now what’s for season 8? House without Cuddy, his boss, ok but that’s all? we already felt since Bombshells, that they can’t work together anymore.

  • BrokenLeg

    272 @Amy & 275 @Blablabla
    “I was therefore not surprised about the crash (say it coming) and that House would do something so extreme (never thought he was homicidal). I was actually waiting for another surprise (promised by GY) at the end of the episode since the crash was so obvious. So when the episode ended I was like “Is that it???”

    Me too.

    Being the level of the writing in mostly this season, maybe a SARCASTIC explanation about House crushing his car ( or parking it conveniently on the dinner room) on Cuddy’s house is as simpleminded as: “House is a lame person, he was angry, he is not strong enough to kick Cuddy’s door as a soccer ball, and come in, and give a good punch to the banker pale-faced guy, so he uses the only weapon ( cane excluded ) at hand: his old and needed to be renewed car! And Cuddy’s house is only a collateral victim” (please, read it with a great dose of sarcasm….)

    Or,

    We have all forgotten one of the [H]ouse “mantras” : “Everybody lie”? If…….

  • Julia

    @ 272 Amie

    I think if the crash happened in ep. 19, maybe the following episodes would have showed us House’s roadtrip? there was some talk about this storyline in which House was travelling alone in New Orleans… maybe he was meant to escape there after crashing Cuddy’s house?

    also, I fully agree on this.

    “seeing what they did to their relationship, I really don’t see how any closure would have been possible. I really don’t see how they would fit Cuddy in House’s story anymore seeing the big wall of China they just built. So her character is pretty much useless anyway.”

    I get that huddy was just an arc for Shore, it was never meant to last but was only a way to tell us that House can’t be happy and can’t change and can’t be in a relationship and yadda yadda. I find this pretty reductive, but hey, it’s Shore’s show, he is entitled to his vision and I respect it.

    Also, Shore is probably annoyed with huddy fans that are constantly just asking about their favourite ship instead of following his vision. I understand that he wanted to make it clear to the viewers that huddy in a romantic sense was over.

    But did he really need to build this big wall between them? to destroy every kind of personal relationship including mere friendship? House and Cuddy have been close for years, there’s always been affection between them, he has even become attached to Rachel (one of the aspects I’ll miss the most in S8). Why depriving the viewers of these aspects too, that had nothing to do with relationships?

    Of course, all this is now pointless: Lisa is leaving so no matter the end of S7, in S8 we wouldn’t have any interaction between them.

    But I really can’t understand why he meant to ruin such a long-lasting and interesting friendship.

  • 2Lightworker

    187@fatolady

    my copy of “Let Them Talk” has arrived; when the one I pre-ordered in February didn’t arrive past estimated date and had no confirmation of a shipping date, I cancelled that and ordered one NEW in USA from amazon.com marketplace dealer, for much less $ – sounds good, not the one with the bonus extras that I think is available only in the UK and Europe, but nice liner notes and it sounds just fine
    BTW, the marketplace dealer is listed as shipping from NY, but in fact it shipped from Argentina; it took about a week including the Memorial Day holiday

  • 2Lightworker

    276-@BrokenLeg

    Yes, as the finale faded, I said “What was that?”
    Check out:
    housedailydose.squarespace.com –
    TV Guide: Ask Matt – Finale Fallout

  • Amie

    @Julia (277) : The roadtrip! Good guess!

  • BrokenLeg

    279 @2Lightworker

    Checked, and read the article. THIS!THIS! and THIS!!
    And I’ve followed since half season House Daily Dose web. A very good one, by the way.

  • BrokenLeg

    279 @2Lighworkers

    Check out: Television without Pity Comments on Season seven House Finale. It’s great.

  • But wait

    In the eyes of the law, House’s act WAS , CRIMINAL. This isn’t on the same level as forging prescriptions-criminal. This was endangering-the-lives-of-others-with-a violent, criminal act-criminal. I personally don’t understand how some people don’t see how serious that is.

    The only mitigating defense he can pose is extreme emotional disturbance, or he may argue provocation. Both defenses are likely to fail.

    Extreme emotional disturbance wouldn’t likely hold water because there has to be a reasonable explanation or excuse for EED, the reasonableness of which is determined from the viewpoint of a person in D’s situation under the circumstances that D believes them to be. Under this standard, if the defendant’s act is too peculiar within that mindframe, his defense fails. Even if House was truly hurt and really believed that Cuddy was with a new man, his act was too peculiar for an EED defense to hold. Moreover, What can House argue? That he had a reasonable excuse for EED because he has a long-standing history of hallucinations, mental instability, and drug addiction and Cuddy’s breaking up with him somehow aggravated that to the point of a violent, criminal act? Then how could House ever argue his way back to being a doctor? His license would be taken away for so long that he wouldn’t live long enough to see it restored.

    He can’t possibly argue a provocation defense because the idea that someone breaking up with him is provocation for crashing a car into her house would be laughed out of court. Anyone pointing to how Cuddy had set up trip wires in the past, played pranks on him as evidence of provocation would also be laughed out of court because the proportionality between pranks and the act of driving a car into someone’s house is so far apart from each other that a comparison would be rendered ridiculous.

    People are entitled to their opinions, and I am also entitled to feel frustrated by people who don’t understand or think, “What’s the big deal about what House did?”
    It IS a big deal.

    In addition, the “I didn’t mean it” defense would also likely not be persuasive in court because the idea that he was aiming at her house instead of the people in the house would not be persuasive (frankly, this is just ridiculous). In light of what House saw and did before his criminal act, it would be difficult to prove that he didn’t mean to do what he did. Moreover, “I didn’t mean it” may mitigate the degree with which you are charged, but that does not absolve you of the crime. You are still responsible for what you did.

    And for people who say, oh geez, it’s just a tv show get a life you’re all losers and blah blah blah why are you getting so worked up blah blah blah, I’d like to politely ask why they are getting so worked up about people who they judge to be obsessed by a TV show. Why are they reading all of the comments? Are they, in turn, losers who have no life because they feel the need to read, post, and complain about people that bother them? I just found that funny.

  • BrokenLeg

    283 @But Wait

    I like very much your legal analysis.At least one!! And your lasts words, poignant ones…

  • AreKay

    @ 278 – 2Lightworker

    Yes, my copy of “Let Them Talk” was also ordered via Amazon, was much less expensive than originally noted and was also shipped from Argentina. Anyone here in the USA collect foreign cancelled stamps?

    PS – re: my post #254

    (I noticed how Hugh seems to have made a considered effort to divorce his music from House, ie. he appears clean-shaven, he was clearly flustered at how his mention of “Huddy” was not taken as he had intended. He seemed to want to say – House is a character I play…this is me, Hugh, performing the music I love. He seems ready to leave House behind and to go on to pursue other acting and musical gigs. And he seems so relaxed and happy now. RSL wants to do more stage acting. Katie Jacobs is looking forward to new pursuits.)

    I didn’t mean that Hugh shouldn’t try to make his fans understand that the music is Hugh, not House. Actually, I think it was a very good idea.

    What I really meant was it seems that he is more than ready to leave House behind after Season 8 ends. And he’s starting to prepare now…even before Season 8 begins!

    Guess I need to make sure my comments say what I mean them to say before I post them. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

  • Alex

    Thanks for posting this. Not much clarification though, sadly. And the tired spiel of “now we really get into House’s head” has been said before the last three seasons – it sounds like a threat to me by now. Quite frankly I’m tired of being in House’s head! Because whenever the writers try, House gets more unlikeable and idiotic (if he were at least behaving *intelligent* and unlikable…. I’d take that out of desperation), the plots more illogical and timelines conveniently retconned or previously established facts forgotten en masse. Can we please get back to the medicine with subtle glimpses into the character and clever oneliners – instead of getting hit over the head with anvilicious armchair-psychology and hysterical soap opera?

    It’s a shame you didn’t ask how the writers think they can keep House a freaking doctor at PPTH if the crash wasn’t a hallucination or brain-tumor-induced reality! Because at this point with the police canonically involved and charges pressed the only thing I can realistically see is “House ex-MD – Prison Edition” or “House ex-MD on the Run” for season 8! If the writers had refrained from involving the police at the start of the episode and gone with everything being hushed up (noone pressing charges, just more endless lecturing from Cuddy and Wilson) I could buy a season 8 with House practicing medicine. But with the crash shown being real? No way, that’d be absurd even for TV-standards.

    So, for sanity’s sake I’m still rooting for the writers finally noticing that they’ve written their titular character into a corner – both characterization- and plotwise – they can’t continue with while keeping it a show about a practicing, non-imprisoned doctor.

    At least the hallucination-variant has tons of points they could start from (bleeding out in the bathtub or taking a month supply of Vicodin in days for instance) and a precedent.
    And the brain tumor influencing his behaviour and voiding his inhibitions for a “the crash was real”-scenario is certainly set up with the moronic “rat medicine which produced tumors” stunt: its removal “resetting” House to normal standards, for him. That way House could avoid prison and losing his license. But it’s pretty much the ONLY way that is not completely ridiculous.

  • AreKay

    Also,

    If the episodes in the last half of Season 7 were written and shot in one sequence but were aired in a different sequence, and/or if new episodes were written and inserted between previously shot sequences, that could partially explain why viewers felt confused with the coherency of the story.

    In this patchwork quilt development of Season 7, it seems likely that parts of the story were glossed over and were not as detailed as they should have been. And, at that point, I would imagine that budget concerns probably played a big part as well.

    RE: Cuddy – Given the current plot situation, Cuddy would probably become more of a minor character within the scope of the show in Season 8. Given that, along with the financial considerations (or lack of same, thereof) I can better understand Lisa’s decision to leave.

    But, if they simply hire another actress to play “Cuddy” (as someone here has suggested…sorry, can’t remember who) rather than installing a brand new Dean of Medicine…well, if you think the Season 7 finale caused a lot of controversy, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet!!!

  • Sneaky Microbe

    Thanks so much to everyone who continues to post here. I never fail to be entertained and educated by both Barbara and posters.

    I’m still dazed and confused about the end of Season 7. To me, it has been the death of a once great show following an ugly, abrupt end to what I once thought was a fun, exciting TV relationship. My healing process is nurtured by knowing that I’m by no means alone in my grief.

  • Stagestruck

    Hi Barbara,

    It’s been a long while since I’ve posted a comment here, perhaps a couple of years, but I do read your column regularly. Aside from the completely mystifying turn of the screw that this season has become for me, there is just one irredeemable factor that I can’t get out of my head. That being the difference between how House counseled Rebecca Adler, as opposed to his counsel with this last patient. I remember distinctly that he told Rebecca that you can’t die with dignity, only live with it, and in the season 7 finale he was almost encouraging his patient to die. Who is this House? As much as I want desperately to continue watching because I love the character all the way through pre-Bombshells, I just don’t recognize this character anymore, despite how Hugh is doing his best with the material he has been given. I cancelled my pre-buy at Amazon for S7 because there were maybe three episodes that I enjoyed. Three doesn’t make the $50 investment worth it. Unfortunately, I also will not be watching S8. Simply because I can no longer trust the writers to keep House’s dignity intact. They could have ended the series at the end of S5, or even S6 and it would have made more sense, with or without him getting together with Cuddy. I could have accepted House getting locked up permanently, or even getting back on drugs, but limping to Fiji? I’m just not able to suspend my disbelief to that extent. Time to reread my beat up copy of Jane Eyre. Thank you for all of your excellent reviews and also for providing a source of accountability from the writers to us fans through your interviews.

    All my best to you and yours,

    Stagestruck

  • raiza

    I just wonder if House has supposedly moved on or has taken 3 steps backwards leading him back to Mayfield or worse..that’s still to be seen by some when the new season begins..good luck!

  • 2Lightworker

    282-@BrokenLeg
    The TWPity account is a riot – thanks to Sara M. for taking the time to write all that the way she did……..
    I can imagine Hugh Laurie’s and Jo Green’s kids reading varieties of reviews and this type of commentary and saying “Hey Dad, people still seem to think you’re pretty awesome but that everyone else is daft!”
    Well………………..
    BTW, I hope your leg is healing well, it’s been some weeks since you wrote about why you are homebound……….

    and following up with that, to 283@ But wait, in addition to your excellent legal assessment, there don’t seem to be ANY grown-ups on this show, or did I miss someone?

    285-@AreKay – smart thought about the stamps, alas, I already recycled the wrapper.
    About Hugh’s balancing act of House and Hugh the musician, etc. your point is really important, about Hugh’s identity-
    he has become globally famous through House, and all his other work before, as well as the music he’s doing now, can be eclipsed by [H] – I thought he was so adorable in the “Huddy” embarrassment that it is itself an iconic video moment –
    as to leaving House behind after Season 8,
    I think he probably wants to at least in terms of weekly segments. If another way of working with the character emerges, such as longer and fewer segments, he doesn’t seem to have rejected that outright in his comments – but after some of the external reviews, like the TV Guide one on the finale and the Television without Pity recounting, well we know he’s a smart guy and he is not oblivious to the absurdity – after all, he made a living lampooning absurdity in “Jeeves and Wooster” and “A Bit of Fry and Laurie” and even in “FortySomething” for quite a while………….for all the horror of derangement and criminal implications of the crash, I still see Hugh the Comedian climb out of the car, nonchalantly give the brush to Cuddy, take an exquisite moment of comic timing, and saunter off with his cane, reassuring Wilson that he did feel better – all that was missing was Stephen Fry’s slugging him.

    so “Now What?” maybe the ocean scene is on Papua New Guinea and House will set up a practice there when HL finishes “Mr. Pip” –
    less budget for travel

  • Oversimplified

    It does appear to be more and more apparent that ‘the money’s’ input is having a destructive impact on the continuity and probably the quality of the show. From the rumours that they put their foot down regarding when the writers were allowed to get House and Cuddy together, to this confirmation that they insisted the season should end with a ‘bang’. It just seems counter-intuitive to me, especially with ratings dropping. It might explain why a number of episodes felt like ‘filler’ or like they were just killing time before something dramatic happened. It also makes me question what the original order of events was. Was House meant to cut into his leg before or after the crash, and if after was it, ironically, Cuddy who was the only one who answered her phone and came to his rescue after he’d basically just turned her life upside down? Would have made more sense of the fact that he was unwilling to call 911 AND it would have mirrored 13’s interaction with Derrien almost perfectly. This would have especially been the case if after House had received treatment, Cuddy felt she had no choice but to finally stop enabling him and hand him over to the police so he could atone for what he’s done. I honestly don’t know, but I do think think that ‘a version’ of After Hours could and should have been the season finale. Even as things stand, to me at least, it was the stronger piece of work both technically and dramatically.

    Anyway going to back to what actually materialised on-screen the more I think about it, the more resolute I am that for Season 8 to work at all DS & Co have to make good of their promise that there will be ‘personal, professional and legal rammifications’ for House. Regardless of what people feel about how Cuddy treated House during their relationship nobody deserves to have such an act of naked aggression levelled at them. If there’s anytime for ‘game-changing’ then it’s now, because I’ll probably lose the will to watch if within a few episodes Wilson has completely absolved him of any wrong-doing and Cuddy has scurried away, dropping any charges because she blames herself, allowing him to saunter down the halls of PPTH like nothing happened. That would be beyond ridiculous IMHO. I still hate this finale with a passion, but now that it’s done they really do I have delve into the depths that it’s blown open and use the situation to develop ALL of the characters and not just House. It’s funny because after ‘Changes’ I do remember discussing with a couple of friends about how much Chase and Foreman seemed to be taking on the role of House and Wilson in earlier seasona, with the bets etc. It does make me wonder if there is going to be a power struggle between the two of them over who’s going to take over as Head of Diagnostics, because I can’t for the life of me see him sauntering back into the position even if Cuddy is no longer Dean. If that is the case then it does solve the problem of replacing the professional Huddy interaction, (which in my mind at least can’t be replaced), in that TPTB will have to find Foreman or Chase’s equivalent of Cuddy, i.e. someone who questions their actions. Again though it’s seriously problematic. Man the headaches there must have been at the writers’ meeting today!

  • bigHousefan

    2Llightworker 291

    “all that was missing was Stephen Fry’s slugging him.”

    You’re right! That’s perfect! You crack me up!

  • Heather

    I enjoy reading Barbara’s critiques, but this website has frustrated me at times for reasons I have been unable to put my finger on.

    Finally, I have realized just what it is that bothered me about it….

    When I was (much) younger, my major in college was art history. The college was in a large city that hosted an annual art exhibit, in which several national and international artists sent their work to be judged.

    I remember one piece in particular…the artist used elephant dung as his medium. I kid you not. When I questioned it, my professors attempted to explain WHY he had used elephant dung and what the meaning of it was in his art.

    And I told them I wasn’t asking WHY he used elephant dung, simply why this was considered art to begin with, why I should be wasting any analytical skills on something I considered to be a crude attempt to shock and not art in the slightest.

    My professors looked at me, baffled. And that’s exactly the point I’m at now with House. I know longer care about WHY House did what he did. I’m at the point where I wonder if this show is even worth my time to begin with. I used to think it was. But now I think it isn’t. And until this show’s basic entertainment value returns, all the analysis in the world isn’t going to matter to me, because at it’s most basic level (is this show entertaining?) it has failed.

    I guess what I really expected, or selfishly just wanted, from this site was a basic examination of WHY House matters anymore. WHY examine House as a character when to me the question is “Does House even matter? Is House even worth my time?”

    This isn’t Barbara’s shortcoming as obviously it seems she isn’t burdened with this question, or at least not to the extent that I am.

    But it seems both the writer of the site and many of the commentators do not feel as I do and do not ask the same question…which is great!…de gustibus and all that. But it has made me come to realize that we’ve been speaking a different language about House for over a year. They’ve been analyzing what’s happened on screen, whereas I wonder if it’s even worth analysis to begin with.

  • housemaniac

    But wait #283: Thanks for your illuminating and well-presented comments on the legal ramifications of “Moving On,” especially their gravity. They are a vast improvement over my earlier efforts to highlight this apparently plot-constricting legal reality and how much legal hot water House would seem to be in. (I do like the tumor scenario–it’s the only way out of a long, drawn-out “legal turn” in the plot that I can see, unless TPTB really screws with us and has much of the legal fallout take place between the end of Season 7 and the beginning of Season 8, i.e. off-camera.) I would only add one small detail: Some people seem to be under the impression that Cuddy would have to press charges for House to be prosecuted. Not true. It is the state that decides whether to pursue a criminal case. It can even do so if the victim recants, though practically speaking this can make for a difficult case, unless there are other witnesses besides the recanting vicitm. In House’s case, there are other potential witnesses besides Cuddy (and for that matter victims), including… Wilson!

  • ann uk

    bigHouse fan 270
    I think your analysis of House’s state of mind is very true.He has tried so hard to be what Wilson and Cuddy say he should be and when Cuddy offers him unconditional love, not needing him to change, he feels free to be happy

    as himself.Can one imagine the pain of having that love denied ?And even more of seeing Cuddy almost cold bloodedly prospecting his replacement ,as though he had never been all that special to her.She has fulfilled all his darkest beliefs about the world ,so he might well feel liberated to embrace his inner demons ,as you say.
    I would really like to know what Hugh thinks about this.His take on the character has always seemed to me the most insightful.

  • maria-eleni

    276 – BrokenLeg
    272 @Amy & 275 @Blablabla

    I rather think that the surprise-ending was House at the beach almost smiling.

  • Julia

    @ 282 Broken Leg
    Thanks for the link.
    I’ve read a lot of reviews for Moving on; not only many of them were negative, but 3-4 critics have decided that they won’t watch / review House any longer. Not a good sign.

  • Derdriui

    What even was that mess? 15 year olds think deeper thoughts than that.

    Writers: ‘We wanted him to self-destruct.’

    Fans: ‘… uh huh.’

    Writers: ‘And we thought the very best way to do that was by him driving into Cuddy’s house.’

    Fans: ‘…Why?’

    Writers: ‘He was self-destructing.’

    Fans: ‘He’s not real. Why did you write the character driving into a house?’

    Writers: ‘He was self-destructive! But not intending to commit homicide! People in his life are aching for his redemption, as are you!’

    Fans: ‘… His imprisonment, you guys.’

    If he was in jail, that could work. Then there could be consequences, and interesting life stories of prisoners in that context.

    Otherwise? Meh.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    Good morning, today I just want to intervene to show my concern about the criticism received by House in all the media.

    Since it was emitted in the United States latest episode of this season, I have been look to the total for the news related to this theme. For me, it is worrying to read these criticisms. And them are not only from people who talk in this blog, or elsewhere. Are increasingly bad reviews to the last episode of House, and in general to the entire season seven. Many comments I read are disappointing, most of them from regular critics of the series, and all express their uncertainty and disappointment with one of the best series emitted in the history of television. These are not fans of the (misnamed) Huddy or fans of Dra. Cuddy. They are the base public or recognized critics.

    In Spain, we still have five episodes to get the final episodes of the season, I mean the emissions in open, since in Fox España we only have two episodes to go. So there is still a month to see the criticism of Spanish newspapers and magazines.

    The fact is, all the criticism in the United States end up saying: “…and the fact that Lisa Edelstein has left the series does not help.” (or something like that). In Spain, all newspapers echoed the news that Lisa Edelstein left House and, frankly, all showed their confusion and disappointment, so I could anticipate that the criticisms of this final season will not be very good .

    I’m talking about Spain, because it is what I know and because it is a country in which House has always been very well received. In fact, right now, we can watch the series on three different television channels.

    Barbara and commentators, my questions are:

    – Do you think these criticisms are simply the product of this initial shock that led the end of this season?
    – Do you think that after the summer, many viewers, will return to give a chance to this show?
    -Do you think, perhaps, this storm of criticism affect in any way to the future plans of writers, producers…?

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @296-ann uk @270-BigHousefan

    I think your analysis of House’s state of mind is very true.He has tried so hard to be what Wilson and Cuddy say he should be and when Cuddy offers him unconditional love, not needing him to change, he feels free to be happy.

    I really think that House has been all the time (pre-breakup) in fear of doing things wrong and finally ruin everything. And perhaps that fear of losing her, is responsible to finally lose her. Therefore, I see normal that House took a Vicodin that day. But I still do not see normal Cuddy’s reaction, I’m sorry, but I think it is a thing irremovable in my mind.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @294 – Heather

    I like your point of view, really. I like the reference to the art you do. It is true that many artists spend time with these things. There are pictures of painters, exhibits very important, that I often wonder what they do there. In my profession, I have to constantly deal with these matters. Why do they say this project is good? Often, simply, no one asks what you just said. In architectural projects or works of art, people often wonder why? but only why? and no, that you say. You’re right, and at that time you did very well to ask.

    The difference is that House itself may be considered that it is (or, almost was) one of the best series of television history. That is certain, I think even for you. House was a different series, breaker…wow! Perhaps David Shore has reached the limit of his powers.

    Do you know the Peter Principle?

    It states that “in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence”, meaning that employees tend to be promoted until they reach a position at which they cannot work competently.

    Well, this principle can be applied to many aspects of society, many professions and activities. Sometimes that happens, we get a success difficult to handle.

    Of course, I’m not saying that this is the case of David Shore! It is simply a reflection of how something good can come not work ….

  • Blablabla

    297 – maria-eleni
    Yes maybe, but I think it’s not enough for a season finale.
    In comparison, S4 and S5 were so much better.

  • http://goldschmiede-nolden.de dago

    Finaaly I worked my way through all the comments.Thank you Barbara for the inteview and also thanks to those numerous commenters who all have their valuble share of opinions to illuminate the WHY and WHAT
    FOR.
    Just a thought:
    TPTB gave us the character of House , made us like him,care for him ,feel with him and now they seem to gradually take him away.
    He turned from an almost likable in many ways torture and flawed guy who usually hurt himself the most into a dangerous borderline psychopath fuelled by his own social and emotional incompetence and also
    by his friends who never realise how far advanced his issues already got.Even though it played out nicely when it began ,I wondered wether it was for Cuddy in character to begin an emotional relationship with him.He sensed it wasn`t going to work she obviously didn`t.
    With another maybe 22 episodes to go ( if season 8 is indeed the last )there is not much room for further evolvement.So the words from HL ” to go with a bang and not with a whimoer” still echo in my ear.
    If they intend an bang to blow out the lights forever that thought creeps into my mind:They created a character and took him on the journey of a downward spiral.And as they like to play heavily with the audiences`emotions,they now seem to take his likability away and portray him in a way ,that people will like him or care for his character anymore and everyone is relieved when it`s finally over.
    Just a thought.

  • BrokenLeg

    286 @Alex
    This time, I agree with your post, specially with you’re the paragraph of it.
    288 @Sneaky Microbe
    Shared pain isn’t less pain!!
    288 @Are Kay
    Good point that of your “patchwork quilt development” I’ve thought something similar all this late season. It’s because this season has been multi-writers one, with no supervision of the entire pattern the most part of it because DS & KJ were on other business or projects almost all the time?
    289 Stagestruck
    (“Who is this House? As much as I want desperately to continue watching because I love the character all the way through pre-Bombshells, I just don’t recognize this character anymore, despite how Hugh is doing his best with the material he has been given”)

    I agree 100×100!!!
    291 @2Lightworker
    (..”all that was missing was Stephen Fry’s slugging him.)

    Oh! Fantastic!!!!!

    And about my leg, is doing a very, very sloooow healing. It’s what driving big bikes have. From time to time it can occur something like this. I’m beginning physiotherapy now, and , by the way, I almost can see stars, planets, comets while doing it. But I’m , you know, a “half full glass” person, and I’m sportive one, so from now thing only can go better. Thanks for asking, my friend.

    299 @ Derdruni

    THIS!!!!!

    302 @ RedTulip_Ana

    Another good principle ( I do not know the name of it…)

    “ The higher a book is on a shelf, useless it become”
    I’m sure it can be applied to many of TPTB on [H]ouse gang

  • BrokenLeg

    286 @Alex

    SORRY Alex, something goes wrong .I wanted to say : This time, I agree with your post, specially with the last paragraph of it.

  • Action Kate

    Heather @294: I see your point, although if you think about it, isn’t that part of what the POTW was doing? She was pushing the envelope of what’s considered “art.” You are certainly entitled to say elephant dung isn’t art, as much as the artist is entitled to say it is, and that’s a very legitimate conversation/analysis. Is Dumbo Poo in fact acceptable as a medium of artistic expression?

    So is House the show still entertainment? Is it still worth watching? I think the potential exists for that answer to be “no” after that last five minutes. But it will as always depend on how the story unfolds. What does House the character do? Can we believe him? Is there some explanation for his actions which will allow us to continue to identify with him and like him?

    If you feel like S7 has already gone too far (you already don’t believe the cast of characters, House himself, the story which has transpired), then for you the answer already is no.

    For me, after seven years, I’m willing to give them at least one more to make the case that the last five minutes of the finale wasn’t House driving the show over the shark.

    And in case anyone suspects me of fan-blindness or unthinking devotion, I have left a favorite show when it stopped entertaining. When Duchovny “The X-Files,” I gave Robert Patrick a chance, but when Anderson was on the way out, I stopped watching. And XF was the show which brought me to the internet, and internet fandom, and all that implies, so this was not a small decision. But the show didn’t entertain any more, so I left.

    I await S8 with hope and trepidation.

  • maria-eleni

    303 – Blablabla
    Although I do not share the predominant negative opinions about Season 7 and its finale, I do agree that it does not have the quality of season 4 or season 6 in terms of dramatic value. This is what I think the writers were aiming for but failed to deliver.
    It was inevitable that after a season so packed with strong personal dramatic moments, not in connection with the patients but with the main characters (mother and Cuddy near death, Cuddy & House break up, 13 euthanasing, House self-operating) the shock element of the overall plot had been already spent.
    Hence the car crash….What else could shock us?

    I know it is callous of me, but the scene actually makes me laugh, which I take as a good sign that for me this is still fiction, and not even a realistic one. But I still enjoy it and am impatient to see where it goes.

    For me the real departure from the status quo is House leaving PPTH in a manner making it difficult if not impossible for him to come back. So my “relief” mirrored House’s half-smile:
    Since early season 6 I became convinced that for House to move on and evolve (not necessary change) he has to go away from PPTH and the protective cocoon his friends had created around him. The environment at PTTH is too contradictory for him to really explore his issues: protectiveness mixed with friendly condescension from his nearest battling with his powerful intellect and forceful self-destructive personality.
    But that would have been a different show.
    I am really curious to see where they will go in Se 8. House is definitely not finished for me.

  • 2Lightworker

    Heather@294

    Thanks for this post. I remember when the work you mention was a cause celebre, it’s by Chris Ofili, Nigerian artist living in London, and he used dung on a portrait of the Virgin Mary. He imported some from Africa and other from the London zoo.

    [Incomplete link removed by Comments Editor]

    A bit later, there was a show at the Brooklyn Museum here in NYC, “Sensation” with young British artists from the Saatchi Collection, and the then-mayor of NYC, Rudy Giuliani, reacted to the Ofili painting as anti-Roman Catholic.

    Philip Guston, Abstract Expressionist from the 50’s, began painting little hooded figures in his formerly totally non-realist work, and in an exhibit at the Museum of Modern Art here this spring, a note by one of his paintings said that he began introducing those in reference to an incident when the Ku Klux Klan vandalized a mural he did in San Francisco.

    As art goes in cycles, presently with a revived interest in classical realism, I often ponder whether the intent is to reflect our time, or like with [H]ouse, it’s too often business and calculating what will sell and/or receive attention, as you suggest about the shock value of the medium Ofili used. I have posted before, and in a letter to Hugh Laurie, that I find distasteful the way the show portrays women, immigration issues (green card marriage) and would now add, reckless acting out of anger, no matter how understandable in the theoretical psychoanalysis of the human psyche. These issues are serious, and should either not be used at all, or presented with some social criticism, while allowing for the kind of ambiguity for which [H]ouse was once so brilliant.

    The tragic end of some artists, well-known or not, seems to be a sinking into depression as they move away from renown, coming down from a high.

    [H]ouse gathered the winds of success and peaked some time ago, and as RedTulip_Ana has suggested, perhaps we are dealing with the Peter Principle. The craft of writing has changed, for whatever behind-the-scenes reasons, which I would not expect to be discussed in a public interview. It kinda feels as if there have been “creative differences” and we are the losers. Some wonder what Hugh Laurie really thinks of what has come to pass, but based on my experience working in a leadership position in a once formidable institution that was on the wane, where I chose the way of discretion until I left, he may think it unprincipled to criticize those responsible for the show – sort of an upgrade of the old “don’t bite the hand that feeds you” philosophy.

    For me, the constant is the work of Hugh Laurie, who never seems to give up on the show and what he is given to do, however diminished in concept. He has allowed his creative spirit not only to sustain him in that way, but to blossom and push him forward.

    I wish that had been true for the rest of the creative team, and have not quite given up hope that they can “do better” – I would hope they breathe dignity into their work rather than the lack thereof that [H]ouse declared as the ignoble nature of dying in his intense dialogue with Rebecca Adler in the pilot.

  • bigHousefan

    Ann UK 296

    That’s what makes his story all the more heartbreaking. They had a long history together and he trusted and respected her. He really did try to the extent he was capable and even his best efforts were not enough. I recall his words to Cuddy with his head in her lap in Recession Proof, “I will always choose you.” Given this character’s past issues with trust, and the fact that he is emotionally handicapped on his best day, the devastation of this loss is monumental.

    I am choosing to remain optimistic, however, as this episode is meant to be a cliff-hanger. We only know half the story here and even the writer’s have suggested they have not yet discussed where to take this storyline. DS prides himself in writing that leaves ambiguity. They must redeem House as a character because unless we can forgive him and care about him there is no reason to watch – and they know that. I too would be eager to hear Hugh Laurie’s take on this. I remember him saying once that he loves this character that is flawed, perhaps fatally…

    RedTulip_Anna 301

    You said, “I really think that House has been all the time (pre-breakup) in fear of doing things wrong and finally ruin everything. And perhaps that fear of losing her, is responsible to finally lose her. Therefore, I see normal that House took a Vicodin that day. But I still do not see normal Cuddy’s reaction, I’m sorry, but I think it is a thing irremovable in my mind.”

    I agree completely that House tried very hard to a fault, (as you say in other words) to protect this relationship. The Cuddy I know would not have been so careless with the emotions of this fragile man she knows so well. The loss of LE and Cuddy’s character is huge given that as Ann UK has stated better than I will here, she gave up this ‘uncommon’ relationship for her desire for a safe and conventional one (look for Ann UK’s better analysis up thread :) and it will be hard to write the rest of that story without the presence of the character.

    All that said, I am still compelled to watch and breathless to see what Hugh Laurie will do next season.

  • bigHousefan

    RedTulip_Anna

    PS Did I understand you to say you discovered the black and white movie House was watching with Dominka? Any significance to the script and storyline?

    I still haven’t given up hope we’ll learn the significance of the watch mystery…

  • Blablabla

    308 – maria-eleni
    I bet he’ll be back in Plainsboro after 1 or 2 eps, and the real “moving on” will happen in the finale, I think he should stop doing his job but we should wait the finale to know if he’ll simply leave (where? we never will know) or commit suicide.

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @311 – bigHousefan

    Oh, yes! Finally I got my answer, just when I thought I´d go crazy. The reply came from Peter Blake, preciselly.

    The title of the film is: “Holiday for Bill”. Holiday for Bill – Part 1 (1951) Holiday for Bill – Part 2 (1951)

    Well, at the moment when I was asking for that, the film made sense with all our clues! Just watching the first part of the first part you will understand me…Do you remember when House was under the bed in ep15? Well, you can see a similar scene there!

    Also in that moment we thougt about a car accident (the famous crash…).

    “SOMEBODY WAS DRIVING…THAT’S HOW IT ALL BEGAN”

  • Chris93

    First time commenter. I actually enjoyed the finale. Yeah i had to give it a think after the episode and evaluate what i saw because let’s be honest who expected that. But interestingly enough i think that was the first purely emotional act by House pretty much ever. Which ironically enough is what everyone wanted. I do believe it’s a step forward whether or not people think it’s what they consider is right for the character. And a step forward was what the character needed. In my opinion many fell in love with House as an actual person what with Hugh Laurie’s always amazing performance and the characterization causing the lines to sort of blur. I can see this in all the bitter comments. It’s one thing not to actively watch the show but to hate it is bizarre. People need to understand it is actually fiction and still accept that they can love the character given this. Also people who watched the show ‘solely’ for the Cuddy relationship really don’t understand the show. If i know anything, during the moment he sees Cuddy in the house enjoying company, something he himself could never have, he snapped and it captured what it is to snap. I actually felt my blood pumping. I did also get some unsettling satisfaction but maybe that was just me.
    Also surprised to see from this interview is that the end scene probably is real. I imagined the first scene for season 8 to start off with House homeless (haha) in some alley as the rest of the world walked passed him, living the lowest of lows with the rest of the season him rebuilding himself up from scratch, i figure since his problems obviously run deep. Also weeving in some of those great hallucination scenes. Cheers.

  • BrokenLeg

    311 @bigHousefan

    Here is the link to watch the b&w film House was watching (you can watch the video too)

  • BrokenLeg

    313 @RedTulip_Ana

    You’r faster getting the clues!!!!!

  • BrokenLeg

    309 @2Lightworker

    (”
    Some wonder what Hugh Laurie really thinks of what has come to pass, but based on my experience working in a leadership position in a once formidable institution that was on the wane, where I chose the way of discretion until I left, he may think it unprincipled to criticize those responsible for the show – sort of an upgrade of the old “don’t bite the hand that feeds you” philosophy.”)

    British chivalry and politeness!!!!!

  • RedTulip_Ana

    @316-brokenleg

    Haha, well, since I was the crazy viewer who was asking about this film in ALL the places you can imagine…haha, it’s normal! I have these links in favourites! You can imagine how felt my soul when Peter Blake this afternoon gave the title…this night I slept in peace! And…also, when people watched the film and read the summary…they said to me: well, maybe you are not so crazy, hah! BTW, finally, all our job of HouseDetectives was time wasted…although I enjoyed a lot with that!

    Oh, about your leg…I supposed your name had nothing to do with you! Well I hope it will be better soon!

  • BrokenLeg

    318 RedTulip_Ana

    Unfortunatelly, my nickname has all to do with my broken leg. I use to drive a Ducati Monster ( medium-big motorcycle) and fell with temporarely bad consequences.
    But it’s a great nickname!!!!

  • Alex

    @306 – BrokenLeg

    “I wanted to say: This time, I agree with your post, specially with the last paragraph of it.”

    Hi brokenleg! I believe you mistook me for someone else: my post #286 you refer to is my very FIRST on these boards. I have never written anything anywhere on blogcritics before.
    I didn’t chose a unique name when posting yesterday – so it’s quite likely that another “Alex” posted here before and whom you debated with earlier. Just wanted to clear up that we can’t have had any post we might have agreed/disagreed about before #286 in this thread ^_^

  • bigHousefan

    RedTulip_Anna and Broken Leg (I’m sorry for your misfortune! I hope you heal up soon!)

    You guys are awesome! Now, what about the WATCH? I think it was Blake who commented it was HL’s decision to not wear it and now he’s wearing a different one completely. He also said something about, “think about when he was given the watch” Any ideas?

  • Alex

    #321 bigHousefan:

    Are you refering to the watch Kuttner gave House? *curious* Hmmm, House certainly went downhill mentally after Kuttner’s suicide….

  • BrokenLeg

    320 @Alex

    Maybe I’ve confused you with 53-60-63 @ Alex that wrote on Barbara’s “LE leaving House”.
    Excuse me!!welcome on board!

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @319 – BrokenLeg

    Yes, I ever thought your name was in relation with House´s leg and his limp! Uy, I know the consequences of accident with a motorbike…Time ago I flew over a car (literally)with my bike…time, rehabilitation and patience!

    @321 – bigHousefan

    mmm…the watch? It still is a clue without answer! Well, really, Peter or someone else, said it was a decision of Hugh Laurie to not wear it during the relationship between Cuddy and House, like “stop the time” House is happy and he don´t want to see the time running…because time running means, the tragic finale is near and he will be unhappy again!

    But, but, in another place (I don´t remember) someone (I don´t know who) said that Hugh Laurie lost the watch!

    So, it´s possible that the decision about not wearing the watch was from HL because he lost the watch…and then, when the breakup arrived and he had to use the watch again, they gave him another one! Well, in my opinion, it is a shabby option because I´m sure there is more watches like Kutner´s watch!

  • BrokenLeg

    321 @bigHousefan & 322 Alex

    kutner gave House his watch. He do not use it while the relationship with Cuddy.

    But I think someone is capitalizing it.
    Weeks ago, surfing internet, I can see a page that sell “House’s Men watch”. It was an european web ( Germany? Swiss?). And the watch was exactly like House’s one. I do not know the web still it exists.

  • BrokenLeg

    324 @RedTulip_Ana

    Wow! I have two things in common with Greg House: I drive big motorcycles….and now I limp!!
    But I’m architect, nor MD!!!!!

  • http://www.cadiz-turismo.com/playascadiz/playascadiz.php RedTulip_Ana

    @326 – BrokenLeg

    Are you architect? Then we have more things in common than you with House! I´m architect too…mmm…possible that is the reason that we are always looking for answers!

  • BrokenLeg

    @ RedTulip_Ana

    Nice to hear we are colleagues!! Architecture, as Medicine, are both humanistic and rationally scientific careers. Because of that maybe we both like House, and like to see it from all the in-out angles!!!

  • 2Lightworker

    326, 327,328-@BrokenLeg and RedTulip_Ana

    u 2 are beyond awesome –
    sending good thoughts for your healing,BrokenLeg, which I imagine takes long so much endurance needed

    and love that you are rational, since I’m more intuitive – so I learn so much for your different process

    Thanks for reminding all of us of the clue saga, which makes me a little anxious because I don’t want to fall into the false hope trap

    New motorcycle models should be named after each of you! :-))

  • merkof

    314 – Chris93
    “…..that was the first purely emotional act by House pretty much ever. Which ironically enough is what everyone wanted. I do believe it’s a step forward…..”
    “…….during the moment he sees Cuddy in the house enjoying company, something he himself could never have, he snapped and it captured what it is to snap. I actually felt my blood pumping. I did also get some unsettling satisfaction but maybe that was just me.”

    Finally, another kindred spirit. I am also very new here, although I have been visiting since I discovered House in March and I am since obsessing.
    Frankly, I hope that such a radical act might rejuvenate the show as it was rather stagnating in ‘failed love’.

    And yes, I fell in love with the portrayal of House by Hugh Laurie. Incidentally I started watching House because of HL. I also find extraordinary how HL’s natural face is quite different from House in its expressions or in repose. Watching House I lose awareness of the fact that he is personified by HL, something that rarely happens to me even with some of the greatest actors/actresses.

    And I am a Huddy.
    And utterly astonished that so many fans, after enthusing over HL’s performance and the complex character (good under all the nastiness) of House, want to abandon the journey when House does something ‘uncharacteristically criminal’.

    I understand abandoning the show because it became boring and shoddily scripted ( for a large number of viewers).
    I cannot understand abandoning the show for moralistic reasons.

    House is thoroughly unlikable and amoral or rather he follows his own code, mostly to suit himself. His inner depths are almost certainly due to HL’s input. Even so it has been recorded that HL frequently refused attempts to soften the character of House.
    And all of us loved him as such.
    For me the most horrible, inexcusable moment was his treatment of the defenseless inmates of Mayfield to further his own purposes. I reread Barbara’s review and the comments on “Broken”. To her credit and my surprise she is the only one commenting on that. Everybody else is more interested in the implications of the Lydia romance in connection with the Cuddy situation.
    At least the car crashing into Cuddy’s home was a crime of passion (not an intentional premeditated crime) fuelled by anger, desperation and failure at finding himself once again on the outside of his ex-lover’s world.
    Of course it is not to be condoned, but crimes of passion are happening since the dawn of time and can be pardoned. After all intentional crimes can be pardoned if there is repentance – christian doctrine. Even in real life, real criminals are not always abandoned by their loved ones and enlightened societies try to reintegrate them after punishment.
    A fictional character shouldn’t be (not pardoned yet) given some understanding?
    So I have come to the conclusion that if House in the heat of that moment expressed his feelings in an equally horrid manner but lashing at somebody else the furor would have been a lot less. It is targeting Cuddy that provoked such anger and negation.
    But let us not forget that a crime of passion always targets a loved one. Countless plays, operas, fiction have dealt with the subject and are not just accepted but revered!
    Why is it unacceptable in House?

  • bigHousefan

    Broken Leg 325

    I saw the same ad for the ‘exclusive limited edition House MD watch’ and thought the same :)

  • BrokenLeg

    329 @2Lightworker & 327 @RedTulip_Ana & 331bigHousefan and others

    Thanks for your toughts and desires of healing! I face my recovering as an elite athlete trying to shorten sport absence.And always in an optimistic way.

    And it’s good that due my forced working stop,and weeks stucked at home, I’ve had the opportunity to have time to post, not only to read as before my crash, in such wonderful blog as Barbara’s, a thinking tank full of prepared, cultured and thoughful viewers, sharing experiences and opinions on the net about [H]ouse. It’s great.

  • Veresna

    Barbara,

    Still no review of the finale? Is it taking that many more viewings and pondering?

  • bigHousefan

    Broken Leg 332

    Agreed! It’s an awesome spot to gather. THANKS BARBARA!

    PS I love your positive outlook, its contageous!

  • Oversimplified

    ‘But let us not forget that a crime of passion always targets a loved one. Countless plays, operas, fiction have dealt with the subject and are not just accepted but revered!
    Why is it unacceptable in House?’

    It is a valid point Merkof, but I will hasten to add that ‘crimes of passion’ are looked upon differently in America and Britain than they are in parts of Continental Europe, Asia and beyond. When the plays, opera and novels are set is also a major factor, for example the action of ‘Othello’ takes place in 16th Century Venice when essentially women were the property of their father and then their husband. I’d like to think things have moved on since then, and I have to say that I’m actually pleased so many people were disgusted with what House did. (No matter how hurt House was over the break-up and what he perceived as a portrayal, he doesn’t own Cuddy.) To me it seems like a ‘healthy’ response to a violent act be it fictional or otherwise so I can see precisely why some people would view the season finale as the final straw.

    In my opinion House has always been the dark character with whom when you peel back the layers you find these glimmers of light and humanity. For all his protestations that his patients are about the puzzles there have been numerous occasions when he’s let down the barriers and connected with them and become less of an unlikeable enigma to the audience. Fetal Position and One Day, One Room are great examples, and let’s not forget that for someone with House’s intellect he could have done anything and yet he chose to work in a caring profession. That is the glaring elephant in room and the diversion from the original inspiration for the character, Sherlock Holmes, whose psyche was pretty much unfathomable. Unlike with Conan Doyle’s creation, who the reader is simply meant to be in awe with as we see him through Watson’s eye, through the delicate unfolding of the character in the writing and Hugh Laurie’s beautifully nuanced realisation of the character, I don’t think you can help identifying with House on some level. Therein lies the problem with the finale. Sure he’s done reckless things before, but generally it’s been because it’s the best chance he has to save a patient, or the the hurt he’s caused has either been unintentional, superficial or directed at himself. This time however it was neither accidental, minimal nor directed solely at himself so no wonder ‘this’ House seems alien to a lot of viewers.

    Personally I’m not throwing in the towel just yet because I want to see if the writers are capable of writing themselves out of this corner with a degree of sensitivity, truthfulness and maturity. My faith in them has wobbled significantly this season because of the homage they’ve paid to directorial gimmicks at the cost of depth in the storylines. I don’t want to see House back to where he was within a few eps. This time he’s a crossed a line and he has to face the consequences because that’s the only way there’s going to be any sort of redemption for the character. Yes he had an awful childhood, and yes what happened to his leg was horrific, but at the end of the day as an adult he is responsible for his actions. Nobody forced him to take the vicodin, in the same way that nobody forced him to drive his car into Cuddy’s house even if one did lead to the other. The House I would like to see by the end of series is the man rather than the boy. Whether we get there or not is to be seen.

  • LucyA

    Well, I’ve read the interviews and rewatched. I do understand what they were trying to reveal about House holding in anger, the last straw, etc., but the crash is still over the top and really just pushed the character beyond belief. He is not the House of season 1-4, nor is he the House of 5-7. He is another House. Maybe that’s what they want. Maybe that’s how they have him move on, but I do still have issues with this portrayal of this loved character.

    He has always been the tortured anti-hero who straddled the boundaries between right/wrong, moral and
    ethical delimmas, and logic vs. illogical.  When he crashed into Cuddy’s home, he made a choice, whether he was overrought with pain (which in spite of HL
    exceptional acting abilities, the writing itself did not pull off to a level necessitating this level of purging), he crossed the line.  David Shore said
    he’s always believed House was “capable of killing” someone.  There’s a difference between being capable and someone actually doing an act of violence. 
    The courts are full of proof.  The human condition with our frailty and pain makes us capable of many things, but it’s the act itself that differentiates.  House was always shown as being honest when dealing with dilemmas.  He was the one to beautifully express both sides of the issues to force an honest evaluation. 
    They continue every season to suggest
    he’s hit “rock bottom (S5), he’s below the rubble (S6), but they never take him from that bottom and take us to the root.  It should be a very slow process, because House will deflect and deny, and pain is hard to face.  Now, they say
    taken him to the lowest, where he’s broken all walls and can start new?  It’s disturbing that they are defending the idea that an act of agression.  House is no longer capable of violence and aggression; he is violent and aggressive.  That’s a layer they can’t take away (unless it’s not real).  Even if they delve into the cause of his issues next season he will always be this man they’ve created in that last scene. To fully redeem him would go against the very premise of the show, yet to leave it reduces the character. It seems they just overlooked seeing this side in idea for more dramatic opportunities in the future. But did it really require this extreme to open possibilities? Did it require offending sensibilities? They have managed to create complex, rich plots and stories in the past without such production stunts and character questioning.

    The writer’s are calling his act a mistake and an emotional reaction, a mistake of passion.  I wonder if domestic violence cases can begin using this defense because let’s face it, most of these cases are “mistakes” and “acts of passion” too. They are defending this action through a “life is suffering” response.  But suffering in life NEVER
    justifies an act of aggression to make others suffer.  This concept is a wonderful
    dilemma for the House MD show, for the old House to address with raw truth and honesty, with shocking words.  But now that he is the aggressor, he cannot speak truth or honesty. If the character was stuck, it’s because they were not exploring all of the opportunities through relationships, patients and his own brilliant mind.

    The House team asked before the finale to watch and see if House had changed.  It would seem from their interviews, they thought the last few minutes of peace on the beach would reveal to the audience that House was finally going to change.  What the audience saw on the screen: Yes, House has changed.  He has lost all balance, logic and truth. And, contrary to all that is being said, he can’t be blind with emotion and in an act of passion while at the same time conscious and alert to ensure the safety of everyone and in charge of his faculties.

    He is no longer the brilliant genius who can
    compartmentalize emotions to focus on truth and logic.  He is a villain, and the
    creative team just didn’t have the courage to write a story that dealt with his issues rather than exploiting aggresson and violence for shock value.

    It is their story. If they want him to be in an amotional rage, and later deal with consequences, fine. But don’t try to reduce the negative reaction of the audience by saying he had control. It insults their intelligence. I realize they can’t admit they didn’t think of the interpretation of House being a violent man, but it doesn’t change that reaction. A lot of viewers don’t even read these interviews, or see the v-logs, so what they see is what they get. The act was very dangerous to others, not just the crash, but almost running Wilson over (he had to jump out of the way, so he was in danger). Regardless of motive, mistake, passion, or any other reasoning, House is shown as angry and violently dangerous, not just tortured and self-destructive.

    Thank you Barbara and writer’s for your time. Next season may bring changes for House, but this “layer” may just be too much for many to digest. Sad to say…

  • Anne

    #335 and #336 I agree. Regardless of reasons and motives, House is responsible for his actions. That violent act is a part of him, now. They can spend next season dealing with consequences, which will be fine. The issue that has split the audience is that some people followed for the man who was struggling to keep the pain and darkness from extinguishing his light. That House is not who was in that last scene. He was to one in every scene up to that point. Some people followed the man that is dark and only sometimes revealed his humanity. That character is seen in the crash and in his “contentment” and lack of remorse on the beach. Now that they’ve taken the character this route, the audience must choose if this is the character they want to continue investing in and rooting for. Was that what the writers wanted? They have enjoyed controversy in the past, but I get the feeling this complete polarization of the viewers was not intended and is a concern for them.

    The writer’s room is probably a very interesting and intense place this week.

    Thx Barbara

  • BrokenLeg

    335 @Oversimplified

    Thanks for your posts, and most of all about your analysis about how must be treated DV even in fiction characters. I agree totally with you as as a woman I say you thanks.But the sense that things are understood in US&UK are not different to the rest of Europe. I’m a middle aged high professional responsibility woman, I live in Barcelona, a cosmopolitan modern European city, but I swear you that every time I read or watch on the news a Spanish death case caused by DV( there are almost 360/year in a population of 47.000.000 people) my stomach is punched in a hurting non-endless way. So, every time this theme is trivialized in a TV show as last [H]ouse episode has done, something inside me rebelled. We are in XXI century, so “Othello’s dramas” can be understood only under the perspective of its XVI century back up. So simply, there are no excuses about that kind of behavior. Not even in a worldwide fictional character. Trivializing it is the first step to understand and excuse and forgive it. Do TV has limits. And that limits can’t be overstepped.

    I agree with the rest of your so well articulated post.

    336 @ LucyA

    THIS!!
    To all your post, but specially to this part:” He is another House. Maybe that’s what they want. Maybe that’s how they have him move on, but I do still have issues with this portrayal of this loved character.”

    And this one:
    “He is no longer the brilliant genius who can
    compartmentalize emotions to focus on truth and logic. He is a villain, and the
    creative team just didn’t have the courage to write a story that dealt with his issues rather than exploiting aggression and violence for shock value.

    It is their story. If they want him to be in an emotional rage, and later deal with consequences, fine. But don’t try to reduce the negative reaction of the audience by saying he had control. It insults their intelligence. I realize they can’t admit they didn’t think of the interpretation of House being a violent man, but it doesn’t change that reaction. A lot of viewers don’t even read these interviews, or see the v-logs, so what they see is what they get. The act was very dangerous to others, not just the crash, but almost running Wilson over (he had to jump out of the way, so he was in danger). Regardless of motive, mistake, passion, or any other reasoning, House is shown as angry and violently dangerous, not just tortured and self-destructive.”

    337 @Anne

    Agree with you, specially on that: “Now that they’ve taken the character this route, the audience must choose if this is the character they want to continue investing in and rooting for. Was that what the writers wanted? They have enjoyed controversy in the past, but I get the feeling this complete polarization of the viewers was not intended and is a concern for them.”

    And I’m still fascinated about how articulated and rich this blog’s posts are, and that after eight pages still we are debating as well.

    And a last question to everybody : Do you remember last pictures of HL/LE dancing by night on the front of PPTH door when only both of them remained shooting? If this episode is a “cliffhanger in a cliffhanger”, as someone on the gang said, maybe these are the opening first scenes next season. After all, maybe, despite all TPTB can say these days (ep! remember “Everybody lies”), all, show renewal “difficult” negotiations ( come on, outside US is a hit, “the hit” that makes a lot of money), all, included LE sudden ( and so well just in time) departure announcement ( I bet all of you, she will be back next season, maybe not as a fully regular, but back after all) is a marketing studied way to shaken audiences, make critics write about you, recover past viewers, incite a summer of suspense,recover the position of a first show, etc… It seems to me that they are doing as Erasmus of Rotterdam once said: “Make people talk about you, even if they speak badly”. Or maybe it’s only my naturally optimistic nature….
    ¿Thoughts?

  • 2Lightworker

    337 @Anne
    “They have enjoyed controversy in the past, but I get the feeling this complete polarization of the viewers was not intended…”

    was it or wasn’t it, considering this:

    338-@BrokenLeg
    “And a last question to everybody : Do you remember last pictures of HL/LE dancing by night on the front of PPTH door when only both of them remained shooting? If this episode is a “cliffhanger in a cliffhanger”, as someone on the gang said, maybe these are the opening first scenes next season. After all, maybe, despite all TPTB can say these days (ep! remember “Everybody lies”), all, show renewal “difficult” negotiations ( come on, outside US is a hit, “the hit” that makes a lot of money), all, included LE sudden ( and so well just in time) departure announcement ( I bet all of you, she will be back next season, maybe not as a fully regular, but back after all) is a marketing studied way to shaken audiences, make critics write about you, recover past viewers, incite a summer of suspense,recover the position of a first show, etc… It seems to me that they are doing as Erasmus of Rotterdam once said: “Make people talk about you, even if they speak badly”. Or maybe it’s only my naturally optimistic nature….
    ¿Thoughts?”

    update of Erasmus’ words might be “No such thing as bad publicity,” but not so sure that’s the case any more, given what’s happened and is happening in lives of political players (“no hiding place”)….

    I do recall, BrokenLeg, reading (but don’t remember where or when) that there were pages of script that HL/LE had and filmed at the end of finale, but then also recall that was true at end of Season 6 finale,
    so have to wonder “what is truth?” (Especially in this “everybody lies” context.)

    If there is a cliffhanger yet to be revealed, I could have done without games and images of violence, even if the writing team saw that as ambiguous. I would have preferred depth of character development, perhaps even a temporary moratorium on B plots, even patient involvement, so as to have the time to focus on the process for the House character to plunge deeper within and then forward, which was what drew me into this in the first place.

    Note that Sanford Bookstaver who directed “Out of the Chute” is signed on to direct 3 eps in Season 8, and hope he does well. But is not the first challenge the writing, then direction would follow.
    Does the director determine cannonball jumps – I don’t think so, more how to show that – so what comes still remains the challenge of the creative team to regain viewer (and reviewer) confidence and regard. I can find special effects elsewhere, but what made House outstanding at its peak was that it was on another level.

    I will hold up my optimism cup with you, but you know my hand trembles a bit

  • BrokenLeg

    339 @2Lightworker

    Conficence is the last thing one can loose, nor humor sense too. If your hand holding your optimism cup with me trembles a bit,take it, as tennis players do with the racket: two-handed. I think they have tested lately audience’s opinions, and they will improve things next season ( at least, if I were the one on command, I’d marked clearly the guidelines to it, knowing now so clearly what my viewers-clients thoughts are)

  • Susan

    338 BrokenLeg – What are the shots of HL/LE dancing in front of PPTH door? Where did you see that?

  • 2Lightworker

    341@Susan – saw your question, and checked it, since I had seen it more than once; it’s when they gave HL a portrait made of all those who worked on the show, which is on line somehwhere too;

    but here is what BrokenLeg meant:

    if you Google “wrap at end of House MD Season 7 with Mariachi band,” you should get image on House Daily Dose and Fanpop,
    with Hugh and Lisa dancing in front of the doors, with mariachi band playing

  • BrokenLeg

    342 @2Lightworker & 341 @Susan

    And what are that Mariachi Band doing there? For a “wrap at end filming” private “fiesta”. No sense. But…Do you remember RP, and the Mariachi Band House contract to Cuddy’s award night, that dancing they do not share????

  • 2Lightworker

    343-@BrokenLeg
    Yes, I remember he auditioned and then hired the band and then went to the bar, and ended up tanked at Cuddy’s place, declaring his being happy with her and loving her as more important than his “being a crappy doctor.” C looked totally unamused and told him to go to sleep.
    And then came “Bombshells.”

    When I first saw this “wrap” photo on House Daily Dose, I (probably naively) thought the band was a remnant of the season,that this was the celebration of 23 episodes completed…… the only dancing I remember was at the wedding earlier in the season… but now with memory there was script with H and L after everything else, and with your Sherlock instincts, I now wonder……………………if so, what might the reaction be come fall, after all the shock of the finale?
    Yes, holding optimism cup with TWO hands

    P.S. Nice review of HL’s CD on GQ.com, http://bit.ly/jUlfFX

  • BrokenLeg

    344 @ 2Lighworker

    I’m more Watson’s one.I only remark questions and loose ends rationally. Sherlock’s seems to be moore appropiate aplied to RedTulip_Ana. By the way, where is now???

  • 2Lightworker

    345-@BrokenLeg

    then I’d see u 2 as a dynamic duo (smile)
    yes, RedTulip_Ana where r u?

  • RedTulip_Ana

    @BrokenLeg @2lightworker

    OoH…I’m here…too busy with job, I love this thread still alive and interesting. I have not read all new post, when I do, I will coment. This weekend I’ll try stay here!

    This morning I received this from HDD you would like to read it is.gd/2SZl4n well I’t only for remember our time of clue’s finders…but I think you were talking about it.

    I’ll come back this weekend to read and post!

  • ann uk

    big House Fan 296 et. al.

    House never appeared on the main TV channels here ,so a lot of people have not seen it and it is very hard to explain to them just how extraordinary ” House ” and Hugh Laurie are.It is very frustrating not to be able to discuss it with anyone ,so it is a great pleasure to encounter a fellow fan who loves him as much as I do and sees him the same way.And I feel really honoured by your compliments. I look forward to your further comments.

    RED Tulip 301
    Your comment about Cuddy had occurred to me too,Instead of moaning about House’s violent reaction, which seems to me both in character and to some extent justified, we should be asking why the writers made HER behave so out of character.She knows House and loves him. Even if we accept her rejection,wouldn’t she be almost as shattered as he is?
    Yet we are expected to believe that after a few months she is already looking for another Lucas?

    I really regret that we presumably wont see any more of Rachel.She is a such a bright kid and her playful relationship with House calls out his childlike characteristics and could have been developed. And what was wrong with the pirate game , anyway ?!! I think she will miss him and be bored by nice safe Lucas 2.

  • BrokenLeg

    348 @ Ann uk

    Your post demonstrate how multicultural different [H] audience are, and how transversely it appeals. That made [H] great, greatest among other TV shows, as is having HL on board. His skills and acting brilliance adds something so powerful that made it “unique”.

    And its great to have places as this blog to gather worlwide fans.Thanks again Barbara.

    About your Cuddy’s new date comment, I think is a big mistake or another lapsus of the script, because:
    a) a mother of a little child first “date”, never open her home to foreign ones, even with a bussybody sister and brother in law acting as “mediatory” ones,
    b)Being yet a mother of a little girl, Cuddy never acted before that way, nor with Lucas, not even with Greg House,so is another “on writer’s demand” as convenient change in Cuddy’s character,
    c)Cuddy was so touched, almost to tears,a few hours before that same day, in “the corridor wall touching scene”, when Greg House, lying to her and forgiving her while doing so,said her “it’s not your fault” of him beeing so hurted. Any woman that feels that way wants not even an informal reunion with a new guy, and if your sister has proposed it, you cancelled it.She was hurted too. When Cuddy acted before such cold way ( the thanksgiving day, etc..) there wasn’t one year relationship between them.
    So, added to the fact of not seen any sign of DV in Greg House reaction, that what you explain of Cuddy is another sign of episode bad writing.
    Just that. And a difficult to amend question.
    And I “lobe” your point about how little Rachel calls out Greg House childlike characteristics. If LeE will not return ( I’m quite sure she will at least a few final episodes)we miss a lot.

  • Chris93

    330 – merkof
    I’m glad someone understood where I was coming from and thanks for replying. I agree with your point about the reaction of viewers to a “crime of passion”. I think something we all have in common was that to some degree we fell in love with the character (perhaps as much as House the character admires his own intellect and wit). Seems caring for the character and the ability of the show to evoke emotion can be a double edged sword. That kinda translates over with the Huddy relationship for most viewers who felt hurt. But as important as Huddy was it wasn’t the be all and end all.
    But to talk more about the show itself. To be honest the typical reaction for being hurt is not to silently concede but to take control one way or another. What anyone wants is control, something taken from us when for example a relationship has been broken off by one side, and is especially important to House and his life. Taking control in destroying the last remnants of the relationship was one way to do it. House has always been a someone who operates outside the morals of others and does what normal people can only dream. Everyone can admit wanting to hurt or destroy something at some point of their lives. And if anything the show has taught us of moral grey areas just like House has taught (tainted?) his employees in terms of understanding moral grey areas. Snapping like he did doesn’t make you inherently evil to the core. It’s a show and it was an exciting moment, not to say it was right. The real test will be how the character evolves and goes from here. I think what is important is the evolution of the character rather than just a quick fix back to where he was before. Any human would be doing a bit of soul searching eventually, because as much as he protests he and the writers have proved his humanity.

  • 2Lightworker

    348-@Ann uk
    349-@BrokenLeg

    Yes, hard to find others who care to process all this, so this is a good place

    Still think that even though she was portrayed as a negative presence, Arlene Cuddy was the voice of common sense to House and Cuddy, and common sense seems to be absent. House’s “uncommon” sense was the power that drove the show for 6 seasons, but now, I would be glad for a little “common” sense after “Moving On.” A lot of need for willful suspension of belief with that one.

    Yes, I agree there has been a draining of intelligence and caring in Cuddy, and making House pathetic and tiresome. It annoys me that the relationship itself is blamed for diminished quality of the show this season, rather than that it was so poorly explored and the characters rendered unrecognizable. Who are these people? Yes, it’s a business, but this used to be really interesting dramatic writing as well. What’s left for me is HL’s commitment to deliver superb performance.

    Yes about Rachel – she and House together were such a delight. There was the “common sense” reality when Cuddy indicated to House she didn’t want Rachel to be affected if they broke up one day, and Arlene did have a point in “Larger than Life,” about the effect on Rachel if Cuddy didn’t choose a committed relationship. And now Cuddy dumps him without so much as an effort to work with him on his fear of losing her and seeking comfort in Vicodin? And she goes from experiencing House’s hurt to the start of a new flirtation? So the writers not only choose to present women as less than fully developed human beings, that extends to a child who will be affected. And if Lisa is gone for good, then so is Rachel?? Or she and Arlene show up in Season 8?

  • BrokenLeg

    351 @2Lightworker

    Good point that of your’s about Arlene!! Arlene was not only “the voice of common sense”, specially in “Changes” episode, but as in old greek theatre tragedies, she is the voice of the Audience too. More in one moment in which the usual older one (Wilson)seem to abandone doing it, occupied distracting Greg House with childish jokes and fool bets.

  • http://goldschmiede-nolden.de dago

    I just want to add another of my thoughts:
    Because all of you comment in such an elaborate way I feel I don`t need to add to
    all of the explorations.Everyone of you made valid points.
    But I think apart from IMO inconsistant an sloppy writing, the writers also have to face a time problem:They feel maybe they don`t have enough time to tell their story.
    It seems to me all hasty and fast,sometimes they neglect to show important detail to tell their story in a logical way ,sometimes they show character traits that weren`there before and came to the audience out of the blue,etc.All those dicussions of drowning ratings surely spurred their actions.( And as one of those brilliant fellow posters mentioned earlier,
    House MD is a massive hit outside the US !)

  • BrokenLeg

    353 @dago

    Just another good point!!!Millions eyes watching, analyzing and searching for clues have this beautiful things, after 353 threads, someone find another new thing. That is really networking!

    That discontinous, sometimes too fast timeline alterations can be perfectly observed in “The Dig”, were seems to have passed only 8-9 months (Martha M Masters fellowship is an academic course at the most)and then Greg House told 13 that this day was he and Cuddy….impossible first anniversary!!…And he said too that they broke up TWO weeks ago……

    All this failures demonstrate that, at least the Scripts Supervisor fellow HAD NOT DONE appropiately his/her job, and that this season, writers had done theirs been really unconnected ones from the others.
    Be able to preserve the quality and continuity of the storytelling is very important when, as this season happened, there were new writers on the “¿team?”
    Believe me, I’m architect, and I lead from a great responsability position, a big team of the different many proffessionals involved in a big project, being that as a creative process as writing a TV show can be. If I’m not able to lead and take command, preserving the unitary character of what we, the TEAM, have in hands, I’ll sure be fired.

    So,for me, that indicates, at least, one person that deserves to be fired and replaced.

    At least, as RedTulip_Ana wisely warned, someone seems that have fullfilled The Peter Priciple, arriving at his/her fully last incompetence stage. Who knows. And, if so, staff changes are much needed. The show can’t only work because its very brilliant acting.

  • 2Lightworker

    354-@BrokenLeg

    “staff changes are much needed. The show can’t only work because its very brilliant acting.”

    THIS! u r totally in touch with the reality that the team is not wisely and strongly led. My experience in a large organization has been that if the person in charge was weak/insecure/not up to the task, the work suffered and became less focused and forward-moving. If your team failed to achieve unity of purpose and execution, maybe the building couldn’t stand!

    Re RedTulip_Ana and Peter Principle that we have processed, check out MsHousefan on Twitter. There are links to damage control talk from David Shore. The links also have fan responses. As here, there is much response about the crash, but there is also comment on the season, the lack of coherence, and the writing.

    This is not a daytime soap opera shown on TV in a nursing home where people don’t have much else to do. This is a show watched by obviously thoughtful people with busy lives who have been engaged by the complex lead character and the way Hugh has brought his animating spirit to his role, so the destruction of confidence is not something that a couple of interviews, or even sincere cheerleading, can assuage. The fact that we take time out from our work and other activities to reflect and write on this blog is a testament to the impact of this character and show. So many comments here have sincerity and a desire for substance that provides hope for better episodes to come.
    Spin does not cut it.

    About Arlene, yes I also had that association with the voice of the audience, and she did have the last “common sense” word in “Changes.” Candice Bergen brought a sharp intelligence that was delightful in itself and counterpart to Hugh Laurie. In the midst of so much that I found unengaging, they whipped up the dynamic with delicious edginess.

    I wonder if she will return?

  • Lucy

    @228 – Barbara Barnett
    “I am very curious about how House will feel about what he’s done after he realizes (he is not in his right mind at this point, in my opinion)”
    You’re right: he didn’t realize what he did and what it could mean for both Cuddy and Wilson. In my opinion, if writers don’t want to turn House in a totally unrecognizable character, they should show us a deeply hurt, confused and broken man. He (maybe irreparably) compromised his friendship with Wilson and he completely destroyed his relationship with Cuddy. House has been Cuddy’s only love and he knows that. Now she hates him and doesn’t want to have anything to do with him. He knows he probably won’t see her anymore. How can he deal with this?
    Honestly, my expectations are very low. I don’t understand how David Shore can consider House’s act of insanity a “move on”. The hallway scene, when House tells Cuddy “It’s not your fault”, could have been a step forward, like if he had said “I know you didn’t want to hurt me and I accept you want to live your life without me”. What he did in the end is nothing but a step back. He has already tried to hurt Cuddy in order to get her out of his mind and it didn’t work at all. Why should things be different now? He just has more severe consequences to face.
    But my question is: are we going to see House seriously struggle with the consequences of his actions? If everything is resolved in a couple of episodes and if I dont’t see House feel very sorry about what he did, I won’t be able to consider him a believable character anymore.

  • Jackie

    I’m still dissecting the season finale and looking for clues in the most Housian way possible. The lunch scene dialogue in the cafeteria w/House and Cuddy could have just as easily been comments in the aftermath of the “House driving the car through the house crash”. The reason being…step by step, reason by reason of why he did it (self-surgery on his leg) could have just as easily been applied to reasons he crashed the car. Some reasons being that he was hurt, be in pain, not be in pain, to piss her off, but concluding it was a bad reason and a bad idea. The fact that he backed Cuddy into the wall in the corridor was not lost on me either. Interesting though how even with his voice raised, no one in the immediate vicinity seemed to notice. I did wonder if this was part of a hallucination, but David Shore insists it was the real deal.

    Speed ahead (pardon me) to the house scene. When the car crashed through, the debris on the floor near the driver’s side of the car already included the chandelier. It was the same chandelier that crashed down on the roof/window of the car a few seconds later. Poor editing or in a take two, three or whatever, I guess they forgot what footage was already there.

    I also thought that House deliberately turned the hairbrush doing a 180 when he saw Cuddy and gang through the window, but he was twirling the brush in his hand before he went back to the car, prior to the final focus on the brush in his hand. I was waiting for him to exit the car after the crash with a resounding, “Your hairbrush, my lady”…at least it would have been quite appropriate had he said that (oh those Blackadder roots), but that was not to be.

    Lastly, the lyrics to “Got Nuffin” – blood going through his veins, etc., losing bitterness and patterns, makes me feel that this was a reference to perhaps a transfusion and the page turning to season 8. Should be quite a journey which I cannot wait to see how it will all unfold and come to its conclusion. Let’s give them something to talk about indeed. I have not seen so many comments about any House episode in quite some time on any of the websites. Whether they be in a positive or negative way, the show whether intentional or not seems to have stirred controversy. My only question is given the Lisa Edelstein departure due to her non-renewal of her contract, why did the news break just prior to the finale? Surely, it could have come one week post, a la Christopher Meloni from “Law and Order:SVU”, but that remains a curiosity piece to me, and who knows…maybe she will come back at some point for an appearance or two.

    Barbara – I am looking forward to your comments regarding this episode. Hugh Laurie has not failed to deliver time after time. If indeed season 8 is to be the last, this will be one actor and a character that he made all his own that will be permanently etched in tv history as one that others could look up to for a master class in acting.

  • BrokenLeg

    355 @2Lighworker

    (“This is not a daytime soap opera shown on TV in a nursing home where people don’t have much else to do. This is a show watched by obviously thoughtful people with busy lives who have been engaged by the complex lead character and the way Hugh has brought his animating spirit to his role, so the destruction of confidence is not something that a couple of interviews, or even sincere cheerleading, can assuage.”)
    This is why [H] is so special great great show that appeals intellignt audiences. That audieces do not tolerate be played.If TPTB play with fire, they’ll burn themselves.

    356 @Lucy

    (“If everything is resolved in a couple of episodes and if I dont’t see House feel very sorry about what he did, I won’t be able to consider him a believable character anymore.”)

    I fear that will happen if there is not a good leadership of the gang next season.

    357 @ Jackie

    Such good your observation skills. I’ve rewatched the episode after reading your post, and observed “the chandelier problem”.
    Let me say is not “poor editing”, but BAD editing and GY failure ( doing so much “special effects” when you are not directing that kind of TV show can get that kind of problems!!)

    And this part of your thread :
    “I was waiting for him to exit the car after the crash with a resounding, “Your hairbrush, my lady”…at least it would have been quite appropriate had he said that (oh those Blackadder roots), but that was not to be”. Very “Housian” way that at least could moderate the DV sensation!!!

  • Jackie

    The reason that I did mention the cafeteria dialogue between House and Cuddy and the fact that it could be applied to the self-surgery as well as the car crashing into Cuddy’s house, is because I did read elsewhere that there was talk of using the crash as a plot device in episode 19 if I remember correctly. The dialogue that House spoke – both questioning and answering by himself as Cuddy took all of this in would have be most appropriate in both scenarios.

    When I watched and listened to Cuddy at the beginning of the episode and she remarked that she wanted House put in jail if he came near her again, it conjured up memories of the father in “Detox” with his “I want him locked up.” Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

  • Amie

    @Chris93 (350)
    “The real test will be how the character evolves and goes from here. I think what is important is the evolution of the character rather than just a quick fix back to where he was before. Any human would be doing a bit of soul searching eventually, because as much as he protests he and the writers have proved his humanity.”

    That would be nice. I what I had hoped for in season 6 and 7 (wasn’t Mayfield rock-bottom enough?!).
    But as they say : “people don’t change”… So what is to be expected?

  • yjust a thought

    As far as LE – people it is all about MONEY. Le appeard 3 seconds in a dif show, probably got paid an insane amount of money to play a hooker for 3 seconds, yah that is advancing your carrer, get paid for 3 seconds what before you got paid in 3 episodes, Creative improvement who cares, just show me the money.

  • BrokenLeg

    361 @ yjust a thought

    I do not think ALL is ony about money, but another money way affair: a well orchestrated marketing manouver to increase audiences on last season along with a character drained in last two seasons.I bet LE will appear next season in some final episodes ( redemptiom sells!!!) along with lovely Rachel and Arlene. So, that way, TPTB do not need to pay her as a full regular,everybody wins and none losts. So they can do some episodes about House taking noticed of his actions,paying for them, or healing him if is all about an AU or drug induced crime, or a side effect of the “rats experiment”. And some kind of “relationship”, never concluded in last episodes will take place. BTW, do you remember how “Unwritting” finished? With an open final to Jack role. I think that is the hint of House final.
    Thoughts?

  • yjust a thought

    362 @ BrokenLeg
    I hope they leave the final open
    I would love them to do 3 – 4 house episodes a year but a lot longer ones, maybe 2-3 hours
    Like they did with Columbus, Perry Mason series
    I thing HL would commit to that; He won’t need the money anymore, but I think he is from the old school and enjoys [H}ouse

  • BrokenLeg

    363 @yjust a thought

    Do you believe HL is much “old school” guy than Perry Mason?Really? I think that your pattern episodes timing would fit better in his trans-oceanic way of life, letting him spend more time with his family in UK!! But I’m quite sure that next season episodes pattern will be the same as always on past seasons.

    And don’t seem to be a guy that appreciates money over all. In a french interview I’ve read recently he told that money has not changed his life in anthing, unless not beeing preocupied anymore for how to pay his rent tomorrow or the cost of his children education.It seems to me a very mature way to deal with richness and economichal security. Do not forget he is not a “new rich man”, on the contrary, he belongs to a well standing middle-high class UK family ( Eton and Cambridge student)of old Presbiterian cultural baggage.

  • bigHousefan

    Hi Barbara,

    You’ve got me a little worried. Just drop us a line to let us know you’re ok! It’s not like you to leave us so long in shark infested waters without our floaties!

    I hope you and you’re family are well. – Lori (Northsider..:)

  • BrokenLeg

    Please read this!!: SpoilerTV

    I’ve posted he same more than one time, in this thread,pages ago, last time some hours ago.
    LE will come back ( today is only some episodes for a “closure”,tomorrow, who knows…)
    All seems to be the same part of a well orchestred marketing manouver. But Shore looks really a pathetic guy beggin fans to stay and follow them!!
    And a little smell of guilty in his words,because the way the final episode has been undersood by fans can be perceived, as some stupid considerations about the Huddy damage done.

    344@ 2 Lightworker:
    Sherlock rides again!! Clues seem to be confirmed!It’s up to you and RedTulip_Ana my friends.

  • yjust a thought

    364 @ BrokenLeg
    Sorry I meant after Season 8

  • SusanfromBrooklyn (aka Susan)

    #342 – 2Lightworker – thanks for helping me find the picture with the mariachi band.

    #366 BrokenLeg – I read the spoiler but it doesn’t say LE will be back. You got my hopes up…….. I too think she’ll have to make at least another episode. David Shore must be begging her to come back at this point.

  • maria-eleni

    83 – Oversimplified
    I promised to answer last week but “I have a life” that pops up regularly when I wish do something I enjoy and as I like your thoughtful writing I wanted to do justice to it.

    Please, I never said Mozart was abusive. Here is my quote:
    40 – maria-eleni
    “Mozart by being improvident and a wastrel, showed indifference and disregard for a woman who loved him very much. “
    I need also to emphasize that Mozart’s behavior was not condoned by his contemporaries.
    In our time it is mainly the laws that have changed. And unfortunately for all the laws I see not much improvement in humanity’s behavior. Domestic abusers are still everywhere, the main difference being that today if caught they are punished.
    I must also clarify that I used Mozart and the film Amadeus as a parallel for House in the context of maladjusted geniuses that are usually self-destructing.

  • maria-eleni

    83 – Oversimplified
    Now back to House:
    “…………he was also trying to protect her [Cuddy] from the crushing sense of failure………”
    This is how I perceive it also because I tend to think the best of people, but, I try to be objective at the same time. Nobody is as good or as bad as they seem.
    However it is not given clearly that these are his motives. i.e. to help.
    In House the goodness is an undercurrent and not the mainstream of his character. I think also that we perceive him better than he was conceived as HL’s personality seeps through. But then this mixture House +HL is what made us like/love House and the show such a success.
    He IS cruel, amoral and anarchic. He insults almost sadistically left and right just for the sake of it or to elicit reactions that will help him to categorize people, he cheats often gratuitously, or as an experiment, has no respect for law and so on.
    On the other hand he actually has a code that he obeys: his own code –“truth” and “right”- as his hallucination of his shooter tells him in Se2 Finale.
    13 also remarks that his is monogamous (SE6-Open &Shut).
    As for his manipulations “to help”, even if he means well, he does it arbitrarily with no consideration of the others’ feelings and certainly without their permission. His ego makes him behave as a deus ex machina.
    There are surely gentler and more effective ways to help without shredding peoples’ personalities. His manner results in alienating those around him and this may be intentional. He wants to help and at the same time to keep everybody at a distance. Well he succeeds.
    “It’s the first time I’ve seen him really victimize someone to the point of causing them possibly physical, but definitely mental anguish, and all for purely selfish reasons.’

    Not the first time! Don’t forget the inmates at Mayfield. His behavior attacking those weaker than him was abysmal and purely self-serving. I am actually astounded that so many people here pass lightly over that grave incident.
    At least, as you say with Cuddy it was part of their dynamic.

    And it is admittedly shown that Cuddy hurt him. Whether good script or not it is not ambiguous. She breaks up with him abruptly just for 1 vicodin that had actually helped him function to be with her. ( I shall expand on this latter as I do not like overlong posts).
    She is also shown to connect with another man ( he sees her tenderly touching him through the window) just after denying having a new boyfriend and, more importantly, just after subjecting him to a very emotional interaction between them where he admits his hurt and absolves her.

    I am not writing all this to absolve House. On the contrary I believe he should face the consequences to be able to finally evolve. But even criminals are allowed to be defended before condemned. Should House, whom we say we loved, go undefended?

    Put yourself in his place:
    He goes home to lick his wounds; she moves forward arranging a pleasant gathering with possible new boyfriend.
    He tries to revert to the old status quo and goes to deliver the hairbrush (last memento of a failed relationship) and so finds himself, an outsider again, staring at her enjoying a cosy, laughing, intimate gathering complete with handsome young man whom she is even touching familiarly.
    House has an intuitive intellect and finds diagnoses out of thin air. He is certainly not going to wait for explanations. He has always been impulsive and a “better now than later” person.
    I do think, that when he paused for a few seconds before revving the car, that he did ponder briefly before taking the cruel decision not to bottle up any more all the pent-up emotions jumbling within him and to let go to hell.
    Criminal ? Yes, a crime of passion. And unless one has lived through a similar situation one can never know what one’s reaction will be. However, it can only be immediate and targeting the object of love/hate. One is out of oneself and there are no restrains or rationalizations.
    The resulting feeling is of liberation even while the repercussions become evident.
    For House after a lifetime of suppressing his emotions it must have been extremely liberating and that’s why when he faces Wilson he smiles with a mischievous look in his eyes. At the beach bar he is not smiling and his eyes are rather sad and retrospective – and a bit shifty. He is probably pondering the consequences of his action and wondering where that would lead him. Hence the uncertainty of his questioning the barman about where to sleep.
    Later walking on the beach he seems calm (the effect of the sea?) and his half-smile is an indication, for me at least, that he started assessing his situation and maybe scheming…..But his face has changed, he literary looks different.

    I am not theorizing. Finding myself in a similar situation, while of course not as violent as House, I reacted in a completely out of character manner. I threw my future ex-husband’s clothes out of the window and bashed a few doors. I have to admit it was extremely liberating and helped me decide on the divorce I tried to avoid. I even managed to remain friends with my ex-husband. My psychoanalyst at the time told me that my outburst was rather over the top, but, that by releasing the suppressed anger and hurt, I had avoided bitterness and self-destruction that would have resulted in a messy divorce.

  • maria-eleni

    83 – Oversimplified
    “….driven home, entered his apartment and then completely exploded and basically wrecked all of his belongings including breaking his phone and therefore severing all ties with those around him and symbolically his past, before heading off ‘far, far away’.”

    No, this requires rational thought and is only self-destructing. In no way does it expel the anger and hurt vis-a-vis Cuddy. “Wrecking his belongings” and going far, far away incommunicado is not enough. He needs to irrevocably sever any emotional ties on BOTH sides.

  • DebbieJ

    #291 – 2Lightworker wrote: I thought he was so adorable in the “Huddy” embarrassment that it is itself an iconic video moment

    Is there a video of House talking about Season 7? If so, can you please post a link?

  • maro

    372 – DebbieJ

    Video

  • DebbieJ

    #373 – maro – thanks!:)

  • Whatever

    To the person who claimed Lisa Epstein leaving was a “woman’s rights issue:” Cuddy has been a stereotyped, male imagined type A personality – driven, yet longing to be a “real” woman by starting a family and finding love. I’m sorry, this is your feminist tale? No, thank you.

    House and Cuddy could not maintain a relationship – foaming at the mouth, many of you scream that the writers “changed” the character of House. NO, keeping that relationship together would have been dishonest to who he is: a dark, deeply disturbed and incredibly interesting person.

    Like Wilson and Cuddy you want House to be something he is and you are so firmly distracted by your own agendas that you’ve somehow convinced yourself he hasn’t harmed anyone. Somehow you have all rewritten the intense verbal abuse (a very real form of abuse) and the life altering stunts he’s pulled as benign. That is frankly insane and more than anything revealing of how out of touch most viewers are with this type of person and what they do those they love. I adore the show and the character but portraying House as above this behavior isn’t realistic.

  • Whatever

    *something he is not