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While we're distracted by Christmas shopping and the meltdown of Tiger Woods' career, the Democrats in Congress have rammed through the largest and most bloated budget our country has ever seen, spending 1.1 trillion dollars the nation does not have, putting us further into debt to a total which is expected to be over 14 trillion dollars by the end of the year.

I remember with fond nostalgia going after the $800 billion budget in 2008 as the "budget of abominations" and now I find myself in the ironic position of seeing that outrageous crime against the financial welfare of future generations exceeded drastically for two years in a row in the midst of the enormous off-budget spending of the TARP and Stimulus bills. The capitol has become an unstoppable leak in the ship of state, fountaining money like a flood which will sink us all.

Last week, while those of us who still have jobs were trying to earn enough to buy a few Christmas presents for our kids, the House passed the budget bill with a vote of 222 to 201, with every Republican and 28 Democrats opposing the bill. In the Senate there was an attempt to block the bill with a filibuster, but Joe Lieberman defied the sabbath to walk down to the Senate on Saturday and provide the 60th vote to end debate and open the way for a final vote on the budget on Sunday.

While we were trying to do our best in the uphill struggle to spend our way out of recession, Democrats loaded this budget up with more than 5200 pork-spending earmarks and massive expansions of some of the most wasteful federal agencies like the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services. It includes an increase of at least 2% in salary for every government bureaucrat, a 33% increase in foreign aid, massive additional funds for the FBI and NASA and law enforcement grant programs cut during the Bush administration. All of this spending adds up to a total increase over last year's budget of 10%, the largest one-year increase in history and the largest percentage increase since the 1930s.

Of course, about $650 billion was just debt service and obligations to programs like Medicare and Medicaid, which we've known should have been cut to the bone years ago, but just keep ballooning with every successive, cowardly budget. The remaining $447 billion of discretionary spending should have been cut even more, but instead it was expanded. The budget grew so much that the Democrats will need to raise the debt cieling to over $14 billion after having already raised it by more than a billion dollars earlier this year.

The debt is now so huge that it if we paid it back at a rate of a dollar a second it would take 416,000 years just to pay back the principal. It is this massive debt and the interest on it which is causing the economic decline we are currently experiencing, because while families and businesses are cutting their costs and scrimping and saving and not spending, government continues to spend out of control and put us further and further into debt. The inevitable result of this will be massive increases in taxes so long as the administration and congressional Democrats lack the good sense to actually cut spending. For decades to come Americans will suffer under debt which will retard economic growth and tax the people beyond their ability to pay.

As I write this it's probably already too late to do anything to stop this abomination. But from this point forward we have to demand accountability. Every Senator and Representative who voted for this budget and for the Stimulus bills must be voted out of office in the next election. We need to replace them with congressmen with the vision to rethink how our government operates and the will to make cuts which are unpopular with special interests so that they can start to lift this unsupportable burden of debt from the American people.

It's time to press "reset" on our government and go back to the beginning and start over building a government limited to the essentials exactly as George Washington did in 1789. It may seem extreme, but I think that maybe the only way to deal with this situation is to disband the entire federal bureaucracy and shut down every federal government program and start over. It would even be worth it to give federal employees several months of paid leave to find a new job. Then restart the government from scratch. Eliminate as many programs and departments as possible and assign as many of the remaining responsibilities as we can to the state governments. Then reestablish only the essential functions of the federal government as outlined in the Constitution — national defense, some basic regulation and foreign policy. It took us 200 years to get to this point, and if we go back and start over maybe we can keep this country economically viable for a few more.

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  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Reset, yes. They not only need to find new jobs, but should be sent to “debt rehab”.

    $ 1 2 , 1 0 4 , 1 6 9 , 2 4 5 , 2 8 5 . 7 4 ? Is this the current U.S. National Debt Clock number?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Couldn’t the United States just throw in a trillion or so more and save the earth from the horrors of “climate change?” Good grief! It’s only money, and it’s obviously for a good cause. Otherwise, our astute leaders wouldn’t do it.

    Besides, [fill in the blanks].

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Astute leaders indeed! The whole thing is a farce.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    And to add insult to injury, didn’t some in government jobs get raises during a recession?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine
  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Roger, I agree that it is a farce, and assume that you detected the irony in my Comment #2. Unfortunately, it is not a funny farce. It is a tragic one. I would prefer Abbot and Costello, but they, sadly, are dead.

    I see no way out of the morass; perhaps there is one, but I don’t know what, how or when. As long as our “elected public servants” continue to bribe us with our own money, and we continue to accept it with gratitude, we are damned.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Bryan(Michigan)

    The United States has allocated approximately 1.5 billion dollars for Pakistan in its budget

  • freeman(Texas)

    I am down for the accountability part. How did they vote (names). I’m for spending money on the campaigns of those who oppose them in the next election

  • http://riffenberg.wordpress.com Karen

    Every Democrat voted for the bill except 3.

    Included in the bill:

    * A 2% pay raise for federal employees (1 of every 5 federal employees earns more than $100,000 per year)

    * $648.5 million funding for “international family planning” an increase of $103 million over Fiscal Year 2009.
    * $55 million for The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) (colluded with China to force abortions and sterilizations)
    * Gives the D.C. local government federal funds to pay for elective abortions in D.C.

  • http://riffenberg.wordpress.com Karen

    AND

    approximately 1.5 billion dollars for Pakistan

  • Lumpy

    Just for the record the budget passed this afternoon. As far as I’m concerned these democrats should be horsewhipped from office.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Nice to see you showing a healthy respect for democracy, Lumpy.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Congratulations, Dave – everyone bought your figures without doing any homework to see if those figures are true.

    According to this Excel table from the Office of Management and Budget, your claim that “All of this spending adds up to a total increase over last year’s budget of 10%, the largest one-year increase in history and the largest percentage increase since the 1930s” is misleading. For instance, are you referring only to increases in discretionary spending? If so, then 10% is NOT a record at all. Furthermore, it was BUSH who approved across-the-board raises of 3% in January 2008 and 3.9% in January 2009. President Obama, OTOH, has recommended 2% pay raises in January 2010, the smallest since 1975.

    You are also not taking into account the FACT that stimulus packages and/or increased taxes are precisely what American presidents since 1900 – INCLUDING Reagan (who raised corporate taxes) and Bush 41 (“Read my lips – no new taxes”) – used to pull the economy out of recession.

    The economic mess that was handed to Obama last January was worsened by the Iraq war (which you supported)…but at least Bush didn’t expand the ‘War on Terrorism’ to other countries (as you suggested he should do).

    But I suppose that sticking to provable fact and learning the lessons of history is something relegated to those oh-so-treasonous Democrats.

  • Ruvy

    Glenn, you should ditch that “contrarian” label of yours. When it comes to Obama you are the least contrary creature I’ve ever seen. Just because the guy has black skin doesn’t mean you have to bust a gut bending over backwards to defend him. Under that black skin of his is a white elitist who holds you and yours in contempt and who thinks he’s better – and who barely bothers to hide his hauteur.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Ruvy –

    I notice that instead of comparing Dave’s claims to the FACTS that I presented (with good references), you simply brush me off as an Obamaphile.

    I deal in FACT, Ruvy. Some of what Dave claimed was not factual, and I pointed it out. Present to me referenced, provable FACTS showing that Dave’s right and I’m wrong.

    But you won’t do that, will you? All the hard-and-fast facts in the world don’t matter because they don’t fit your belief.

    As far as me being an Obamaphile, does it make me an O-phile for using OMB stats as proof? Or for pointing out that Reagan and Bush raised taxes to get us out of recession? Or for pointing out that BUSH approved a federal pay raise for 2009 50% LARGER than the one that Obama approved for 2010?

    But since these are FACTS and not extremist rhetoric, you assume I’m an Obamaphile.

    But I’m not. He hasn’t closed down Gitmo. He hasn’t prosecuted American torturers. He refused to use the 51-vote ‘reconciliation’ to pass true Universal Health Care even though we have the votes.
    BUT in the larger scheme of things, he’s performed very well despite the crap sandwich he was handed on 1/20/09.

    I know it’s useless to try to ask this of the BC conservatives such as yourself, but would you PLEASE learn to let FACT determine your belief, rather than insisting that your belief must determine the facts….

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Note that while Republicans piously voted [and railed] against the bill, they made sure to put plenty of their own earmarks into it first.

    A cynical way to look at the bill is that it furnishes a high water mark from which the administration will begin to reduce spending in next year’s budget [for fiscal 2011]. This will be highly publicized during an election year.

    A non-cynical way to look at it is that most of the spending, especially the larger items, is for worthy and useful projects. Of course, our conservative friends want to believe that all government spending is wasteful, so any increase at all is appalling.

    But as Glenn pointed out using the example of the pay increase, there is a sharp difference between rhetoric and reality.

    The Democrats won the 2008 election. This is their prerogative. It’s not illegal. But it does provide convenient yelling points for conservatives. Yawn.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Fun facts about the bill that just passed the Senate:

    Democrats Voting No:
    Bayh, Ind.; Feingold, Wis.; McCaskill, Mo.

    Republicans Voting Yes:
    Cochran, Miss.; Collins, Maine; Shelby, Ala.

    3 D’s and 5 R’s did not vote. “Deficit hawk” Joe Lieberman voted for the bill.

    The much-decried earmarks amounted to $3.9 billion, which is 0.345% of the total.

    And this bill is only 6/12 of the total budget. 5 earlier pieces have already been signed by the president. The defense authorization is yet to come.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Aside from financial issues, Dave…what about the renewal of the three patriot act provisions that were set to expire. I was hoping you’d put out an article on that subject. Perhaps it is in the works? (hoping)

  • John Wilson

    Were Nalle, Miller, etc., vocal when Bush was sending $6trillion direct to the bottom line as debt and depreciating the dollar by 40%? I thought not.

    Born-again deficit hawks cannot be believed.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    It would even be worth it to give federal employees several months of paid leave to find a new job.

    That is funny.

  • Cannonshop

    ISTR that Nalle had a couple three articles about GW’s spending sprees, and there’s a vast number of Republican voters who didn’t show up in 2006 or 2008 for the Congressional elections because of a Republican congress spending like Teddy K and John Murtha on a three-day drunket to Bangkok.

    Notably, there are several republican “Representatives” who didn’t get the memo in spite of all the tea-bagging, but notably three Dem congresscritters DID.

    Notably also: the only people who thought Bush’s bailout of the Banks was a good idea on BC?

    Glenn Contrarian, Mr. Rose, Handyguy, and their fellows on the left. Apparently Corporate Socialism is just fine, if “The WON” endorses it.

    One should hardly expect people who’ve never had to balance their own chequebooks or fight out from under personal debt to understand why it’s a bad idea to rack up MORE debt by spending MORE money than can be collected in reciepts. The residents of Congress have NEVER (for the most part) been anything but rich…especially the democrats.

    They’ve always had assistants to handle the bills (not that they do it particularly well) and taxes…of course, Democrats don’t PAY taxes like the rest of us do-at least, Dem Politicians don’t, and when they get caught, they don’t face the penalties that people NOT of the ‘Elite’ face, including destructive government-levied interest, jail time, garnishement, etc.

    One can hardly expect such people to be able to balance expenditures vs. income on ANY scale.

  • Cannonshop

    #14 Ruvy, lay off-he thinks he’s ‘contrarian’ because, like many on the left, he presumes a little time in the service is an automatic dunk into becoming some kind of conservative. (Ask Smedley Butler about that-wait, ya can’t, he died a long time ago-read his book instead, it’s called “War is a Racket”, or just take the shining example of conservative that is John Murtha…) Glenn’s actually incredibly predictable-if a Democrat likes it, he likes it, if a Dem denounces it, he denounces it. but like the theft of the term “Progressive”, in his case “Contrarian” doesn’t mean what he thinks it means…

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Cannonshop,

    I know about Smedley Butler. Many of my own views on American interventionism – which Glenn tends to support when it bullies us and opposes when it doesn’t – I got originally from reading the works of Smedley Butler decades ago.

    My suggestion to Glenn is based not on the facts or the allegations in Dave’s article, but in Glenn’s insistence, no matter what the issue is, of finding the reason to support a white élitist who believes in anything but democracy, and who has extended the powers of the state over American citizens, extending the fascism introduced by George Bush in Sept. 2008.

    Go check it out, Cannonshop. When it comes to confronting tyrants in Persia and the existential threat they are to Europe and Israel, Nobama wants to go soft – and Glenn is right there behind him, cheering like a pom-pom girl. When Nobama bullies us and interferes in our domestic policies, Glenn is there, cheering like a pom-pom girl jumping up and down and getting her panties wet, shouting GO PEACE! GO PALESTINE!

    As to this article, Obama’s budget, whatever its actual numbers are, pushes your country further into the filthy slime of indebtedness, a slime that will choke you for generations. And here is Glenn to defend it as best he can.

    Finally, I raise to you something that will be controversial. Adolf Hitler was a Jew-hater, and I hope that G-d has made a special hell for this bastard, and his minions, to suffer for eternity for the evil they have done to my people. No matter how much the behavior of Jews in Eastern Europe brought the hand of severe judgment upon them, the horrors the Nazis murderers perpetrated were inhuman, and pushed them outside the pale of humanity.

    Having said that, there is another side to what Hitler did, which was not evil at all. He did what he could to restore the pride of the German people when they were at a pit of downtroddenness in 1933. He led Germany in producing itself out of the Depression, and was the only leader anywhere who succeeded in bringing his country out of its grip.

    What did he do? He ignored his creditors and threatened them with death – and finally attempted to destroy them. He might have succeeded, but his megalomania deluded him and he lost it all trying to defeat the Russians.

    You Americans have an option open to you to get yourselves out of debt. You can treat your creditors the same way Hitler did – like nuisances to be destroyed if they did not bend over backwards and swallow a terrible loss. You don’t necessarily have to go to war, “but if the cause it is just….” You know the rest.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Congratulations, Dave – everyone bought your figures without doing any homework to see if those figures are true.

    Glenn, my figures are true. That you can provide different figures which apply to different subjects which are not directly related and certainly not contradictory does not make my figures any less correct.

    According to this Excel table from the Office of Management and Budget, your claim that “All of this spending adds up to a total increase over last year’s budget of 10%, the largest one-year increase in history and the largest percentage increase since the 1930s” is misleading. For instance, are you referring only to increases in discretionary spending? If so, then 10% is NOT a record at all.

    Did I say the increase applied only to discretionary spending? This budget represents a 10% overall increase, which means that the increase in discretionary spending presumably considerably more than 10%, though I don’t have the complete breakdown. And these are not “my” figures. They come from the news sources linked to in the article.

    Furthermore, it was BUSH who approved across-the-board raises of 3% in January 2008 and 3.9% in January 2009.

    Which has zero relevance. This article is not about things which happened in the past, it’s about the present. When Bush increased the budget I also objected. You can go back through my articles and find several instances.

    President Obama, OTOH, has recommended 2% pay raises in January 2010, the smallest since 1975.

    Well great. But at a time of recession and enormous debt he should be cutting expenses, not increasing them.

    You are also not taking into account the FACT that stimulus packages and/or increased taxes are precisely what American presidents since 1900 – INCLUDING Reagan (who raised corporate taxes) and Bush 41 (“Read my lips – no new taxes”) – used to pull the economy out of recession.

    Because it is not a fact, it is an opinion. You ought to learn the difference. Enormous deficit spending prolongs recession rather than ending it. And the spending Obama has engaged in has not been directed at economic stimulus, regardless of the name attached to the bills, it has been used primarily to pay off special interests and bail out irresponsible companies which should have been allowed to go bankrupt.

    The economic mess that was handed to Obama last January was worsened by the Iraq war (which you supported)…but at least Bush didn’t expand the ‘War on Terrorism’ to other countries (as you suggested he should do).

    Which again, has nothing to do with this budget, which doesn’t even include the appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan. You also seem to be somewhat confused about my support for expansion of the War on Terror.

    But I suppose that sticking to provable fact and learning the lessons of history is something relegated to those oh-so-treasonous Democrats.

    Glenn, if you call this sticking to provable facts then you’re just as mendacious as the rest of your party. You can’t just pick random irrelevant facts and throw them out and claim that they negate what’s in my article. They don’t. Just being facts doesn’t make them relevant.

    Dave

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Were Nalle, Miller, etc., vocal when Bush was sending $6trillion direct to the bottom line as debt and depreciating the dollar by 40%? I thought not.

    Actually, John, I repeatedly criticized Bush’s budgets in considerably more detail and at greater length than I do here.

    For example, here’s my critique of the 2007 domestic budget, which Bush vetoed. And here’s another one which has a remarkably similar title to this article. And here’s another article which critiques the 2006 budget at length. And those are just a few before I got tired of going through my 700+ past articles.

    So, try to pull your head out of your partisan assumptions before you make accusations.

    Dave

  • Mark

    Dave – governments generally are structured as playgrounds for rent seekers; a simple reset might not do the trick. A new bios is in order. Whatever ‘standing’ government is left (if any) must be kept out of wealth transfers – including those that regulation generates.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Cannonshop: I understand the reflexive distaste that many people have for the ‘bailouts.’ But the fact remains that they worked. Nearly all the largest banks have paid back the TARP funds, just over a year later. The net cost to taxpayers was much, much smaller than feared even as recently as 6 months ago.

    And although it’s impossible to prove a negative, it is certainly not just ‘leftist’ economists who believe we were pulled back from the brink of a much worse financial crisis.

    There are still cautionary notes. Some banks are probably paying back the money too quickly, in order to get out of government pay restrictions, and they [and we] may regret this later. And too many banks are still holding back on giving loans to small businesses and homebuyers.

    It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and say, “Bailouts, phooey.” But how confident are you that things would have been OK without TARP? You have only your ideology for ‘proof.’

    And I fully support the proposed plans to redirect some of the unspent TARP money to jobs programs. Which of course is one more thing to make conservatives apoplectic.

    Making conservatives apoplectic is a fun sport! And so easy!

  • Baronius

    “Were Nalle, Miller, etc., vocal when Bush was sending $6trillion direct to the bottom line as debt and depreciating the dollar by 40%?”

    If memory serves, Nalle fortified his home and bought guns, while Miller fled the country. Not exactly votes of confidence.

  • Cannonshop

    Um…Handy, if by “Worked” you mean “made the crash take longer and saved the bacon of rich contributors” then they worked. IF by “Worked” you mean limited damage spread to the bottom 90% of the nation, they worked.

    If you think it ‘saved’ the country, you’re on drugs, friend. Things are (and have been) worse than the projections used by TARP and Bailout backers to justify the bailouts in the first goddamn place. All that REALLY got helped, were the money-men backing political campaigns whose joyriding the system in the first place caused the problem. It really DID rescue Wall Street at the expense of Main Street.

    And that’s ALL it did.

  • Cannonshop

    If you put it in medical terms, it’s bandaids pain killers and air-fresheners on gangrene.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Cannon, you offer zero proof, no facts, no figures, just assertions. Only solutions based on right-wing ideology can possibly work, correct? Anything else must have failed, because it was thought up by librulls.

    Liberals like George W. Bush, Hank Paulson, and [fellow Republican] Ben Bernanke. Were they all world-renowned socialists before fall 2008? Do you really think they are now?

    But silly polemics are a lot easier than actually, you know, analyzing something, and possibly admitting that one side does not have all the answers.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    22 – Cannonshop

    he thinks he’s ‘contrarian’ because, like many on the left, he presumes a little time in the service is an automatic dunk into becoming some kind of conservative…like the theft of the term “Progressive”, in his case “Contrarian” doesn’t mean what he thinks it means…

    Actually, it doesn’t mean what you think it means. Glenn has explained what he means by that on several occasions and has even written a whole article practically dedicated to explaining what he means. You’d have to actually pay attention to what he writes though.

  • Cannonshop

    Handy, you HAVE been watching the unemployment numbers, right?? You’re able to COUNT, aren’t you? Do math?

    We’re in the seasonal ‘bump’ right now, but the gain in employment numbers isn’t as high as the lost jobs over the last year, and the ‘employed’ are working part-time or full-time at bottom-salary starvation wages.

    This is not a conditional improvement.

    Small businesses are failing all over the place-even in places like the PNW where the economy’s stronger than the rest of the country. This isn’t hyperbole, it’s fucking HAPPENING.

    I can look down the street here, and the same ‘for sale’ signs are still up from last March-with “PRICE REDUCED” and “FORECLOSURE SALE” tags on them-because there’s no buyers, even with 30% and further drops in offered price (not even accepted, the starting point prices).

    There’s more people on the street pan-handling, car prowls are up, and I get calls three or four times a day from local charities asking for donations because even the bloody food banks are running on empty.

    I can look the other direction, and the Salvation Army office up the street’s busier than it’s been in a decade-that’s customers, not volunteers.

    WE’re not in Detroit’s condition…yet, but Things are NOT getting Better. (remember, when they stop paying Unemployment to you because you ran out? they drop you off the rolls for the ‘unemployment reporting’. I know people who’re there NOW.)

    …and we’ve got actual industries still running around here, which puts western washington ahead of the rest of the nation.

    Letting the crooked bastards fail would have been harsh, but it would have been OVER, and their role likely would have been taken by someone else, at less long term cost than we’re going to be paying for the next millenia. (assuming the U.S. continues for that long-not a solid assumption, that.)

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Glenn, my figures are true. That you can provide different figures which apply to different subjects which are not directly related and certainly not contradictory does not make my figures any less correct.

    Of course, of COURSE your figures are true. That’s why your ONE reference contained proof backing up only a minority of your claims, and the majority of your claims were backed up by no reference whatsoever.

    When Bush increased the budget I also objected.

    But did you refer to him and to Republicans in general as treasonous saboteurs? No. You gave constructive criticism…but for anyone who is a Democrat, a liberal, or a progressive, well, they’re TREASONOUS!

    Don’t you see the hypocrisy? No, you probably don’t. But most people do.

    Because it is not a fact, it is an opinion. You ought to learn the difference. Enormous deficit spending prolongs recession rather than ending it.

    Well, gee, Dave – perhaps you should have told Cheney that when he said “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter”. Furthermore, you’re going to have to go back and tell every president since 1900 that stimulus packages don’t work, because that’s what’s been used to pull us out of every recession since then. AND you’re going to have to tell the Japanese that the austerity measures that turned their recession into their “economic Lost Decade” were actually a GOOD thing to do!

    AND you’re going to have to tell the Chinese, whose stimulus spending for this recession was actually greater (in relation to their budget) than our own…and they’re doing quite well, thank you very much!

    So the governments of history and of the modern-day world think you’re wrong. But you’re Dave, and you know better, right?

    And the spending Obama has engaged in has not been directed at economic stimulus, regardless of the name attached to the bills, it has been used primarily to pay off special interests and bail out irresponsible companies which should have been allowed to go bankrupt.

    You’ve got a small town in the mountains, and it has one grocery store. That grocery store – thanks to its own misconduct – is about to go out of business. The city council can either bail out that grocery store so the people’s food supply is uninterrupted, or they can let it fail and many of the people go hungry.

    The RIGHT action, Dave, is to save the grocery store, and once it’s back on its feet, to encourage growth of more grocery stores. Likewise, in order to keep our economy going, we had to save the too-big-to-fail finance corporations…and then when Obama’s reelected, he can go ‘trust-busting’ and break them up.

    You also seem to be somewhat confused about my support for expansion of the War on Terror.

    Well, Dave, why don’t you tell us what you really, truly meant when you said Bush SHOULD go into the Sudan, and put military pressure Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Iran? Hm?

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to join my fellow Democrats and retired military friends in our secret grand plot to be treasonous saboteurs to cause irreparable harm to American society and the economy. I thought we were just being good Americans, but you pointed out just how evil we really, truly are.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    When Bush increased the budget I also objected. You can go back through my articles and find several instances.

    Yes, I remember. When Bush increased the budget you didn’t throw a hyperbolic conniption and advocate the overthrow of the government. You said, “Tsk, tsk. Dear me. This is not a very good thing”, or words to that effect, and went back to bashing Democrats.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    The unemployment numbers are the result of panic and retrenchment by employers — not the result of TARP. If the markets had continued over the cliff after March, unemployment might well have reached 12% or more.

    Companies will, eventually, calm down and start hiring. As a member of the long-term unemployed myself, I can assure you I am as anxious as anyone for that to happen. But I don’t blame the government’s emergency measures, nor do I expect the government to employ me. TARP and employment are separate issues.

  • Clavos

    So, try to pull your head out of your partisan assumptions…

    A well-turned phrase.

    Props.

  • Clavos

    …nor do I expect the government to employ me.

    A good thing because, were it to do so, it would engender a short-term improvement in the unemployment figures, but also an increase in the rate of wealth transfer (the government has no money of its own with which to pay its [our] employees), which in turn would ultimately result in yet more unemployment.

    As government continues to absorb an ever-increasing portion of the nation’s wealth, so our economy is doomed to failure; government produces nothing, it doesn’t generate either wealth or goods, it is only a drag on the productive sectors of the economy and will ultimately consume it if left unchecked.

  • Cannonshop

    TARP is just cosmetics, Handy-in case you didn’t get me the first time. IT’s a BAND AID over gangrene.

    Why are Employers retrenching, Handy? could it be because they’re going under??

    Because they can’t get operating capital, because the operating capital’s tied to a bailout that was forced on the banks that didn’t need it to cover for the payoffs to the bankrupt bankers in and around Wall Street?

    IT cost a lot of money, and didn’t fix shit-but it DID save the freinds and donors and owners of our Congressmen (which isn’t the people who ostensibly voted their asses in) from having to take the consequences of their own corruption and greed-at the expense of the rest of us who’re paying the vig, Handy.

    Though I have to note, finally GM’s ownership matches the quality of their product-both of which are unsurvivably low quality at ridiculously high pricing.

    Unlike you, Handy, I have zero faith that squeezing the stone is going to render milk, and I know you don’t get out of a bad financial condition by spending money you not only do not have, but won’t have later, either.

    Uncle Sam is so far beyond broke it’s not even funny, and it’s not getting any better.

  • Baronius

    “Cannon, you offer zero proof, no facts, no figures, just assertions.”

    Handy, your comment #36 does the same thing.

  • Baronius

    Cannonshop, what I don’t understand is how the UAW can negotiate fairly with a company they own (GM or Chrysler) or a company which competes against a company they own (Ford).

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    To the various folks who point out that my previous budget articles were more civil than this one, so? I don’t like the Democrats. What a revelation. As a person who actually cares about the future of this country and the welfare of its people I find it hard to be civil about a political party which exploits and oppresses the poor and the middle class and whose objective is to destroy America’s government and way of life.

    Dave

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Clavos –

    So, try to pull your head out of your partisan assumptions…

    I agree – Dave’s comment was indeed a nice turn of phrase, even if it was directed at me. Gotta remember that one….

  • Glenn Contrarian

    C-shop –

    As far as “Uncle Sam being so far beyond broke” – you DO know, of course, that there was a time that we were even deeper in debt (relative to our GDP) than we are now? It was in the years after WWII…and exactly how did we dig ourselves out of that hole?

    At that time, corporate taxes provided 34% of our tax revenue, rather than the 7% it does now. Also, the top marginal tax rate through the Truman AND Eisenhower administrations was above 90%…So instead of paying themselves obscene amounts of money, CEO’s REINVESTED that money in their companies…and in their employees, which is when the American middle class began to bloom.

    So next time you hear about how high taxes are bad, think about when our economy was by far the strongest in the world…and ask yourself why it was that taxes which were FAR higher than they are now did not result in a major recession.

    High taxes do not necessarily harm the economy, as long as those taxes are used wisely to protect the general welfare of the people and continuously build the infrastructure. We’ve already done it before…and did it from a situation DEEPER in debt than we are now.

    So which should you believe – your fellow conservatives who swear that higher taxes will doom us all? Or historical FACT?

  • Cannonshop

    41 they can’t. They also can’t get a good shake for their membership when they’ve got a conflict of interest like that (across multiple companies in the same industry).

    Employee buy-outs can be a really good thing-it worked for Delta Airlines (at least, in the short term), but when you have multiple conflicts of interest involved, it’s as bad a situation as you can name. Management and Labour Representatives are supposed to be in an adversarial relationship-this is how you get fair contracts for Labour without breaking the company. (this is also one of the things that’s wrong with Education-managers should NEVER belong to the same union as workers-it fouls the whole concept of Grievance processes and encourages inefficiency, ineffectiveness, nepotism, and all the other plagues that infect large organizations.)

    UAW can’t “Negotiate” effectively with a company they own, because of this conflict-of-interest. They can “Dictate” but there’s no guarantee that the dictates CAN be honoured and still have the company functioning. The lack of a competing force to represent the membership (workers) is also a concern in the Auto industry-because it’s the same negatives you get with other forms of single-source-suppliers-there’s no reason to serve EITHER constituency particularly well, while there’s a HUGE pool to graft from for the men in charge.

    AS we have seen already happening over the last fifty years or so in MOST areas of both Corporate, and Public life.

    MONOPOLY IS BAD. it’s a nice board-game, but it’s an economy-buster in real life. GM has somethign on the order of 43 levels of management-they need about three, maybe four, to function effectively. Notably, as ‘owner’ the UAW hasn’t moved to reduce this waste, which by itself could probably pay for the benefits and wages they seek on behalf of their membership. We can’t call it ignorance-the UAW’s been tied into the industry practically since the industry was founded, they KNOW what’s going on. So it’s either Impotence, or it’s Apathy-and Apathy probably stems from keeping the crisis going as a lever on the members.

    Power-play, in other words. That’s all hypothetical on my part-there’s probably other reasons more often cited, but it ‘fits’ the situation.

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    dave spurts: I don’t like the Democrats. What a revelation. As a person who actually cares about the future of this country and the welfare of its people I find it hard to be civil about a political party which exploits and oppresses the poor and the middle class and whose objective is to destroy America’s government and way of life.

    pretty sad. you’re sounding more and more like the tea party people, who don’t think that obama “loves the country like the rest of us.

    quite a bizarre blend of arrogance, ignorance, and pop-eyed chicken little-isms.

  • Cannonshop

    He doesn’t, Mark. He loves himself, his Party, and The World in that order. C’mon, the guy wrote TWO autobiographies before he’d done ONE notable thing in his career besides graduating from Harvard.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    So Dave, no article forthcoming on the patriot act provisions?

  • Cannonshop

    Someone SHOULD do an article on those-the thing is a nightmare that, it seems, both parties are entirely too keen to keep going. (how is it, the ONE principled stance the Left had-the stand against the Patriot Act, seems now to be naught but hollow bleating because their man wasn’t the one in charge?..oh, yeah, because it WAS.)

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    He doesn’t, Mark. He loves himself, his Party, and The World in that order. C’mon, the guy wrote TWO autobiographies before he’d done ONE notable thing in his career besides graduating from Harvard.

    and i’m working on a memoir myself. so what?

    this is just what you’d like to believe. opinion presented as fact is what has dragged down political discourse in this country…it’s ended up as just a bunch of pathetic nut-scratching and head-nodding.

  • Cannonshop

    Mark, sure, it’s nut-scratching head-nodding. Just like it is for the followers of the Obamassiah.

    Memoirs are exercises in narcissism, they’re like self-portraits or self-portrait statues. Writing two of them before you’ve done anything of note? that’s right back to character. You Brag AFTER you’ve done something to Brag ABOUT, not before. I don’t know, maybe that’s an alien concept for you, or maybe my standards are too high. (notably, I didn’t much care for Limbaugh’s little ventures into self-congratulation either.)

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    It is amusing to hear the most partisan rightists on here saying without a tinge of irony that others should “pull their heads out of their partisan assumptions.”

    I would think we might all benefit from practicing that around here, starting with the author of this article and the person who quoted this gem so approvingly.

  • Cannonshop

    There are times when that occasionally happens, Handy. It’s just rare-which one OUGHT to expect from a set of Blogs marked “Politics”, neh?

    isn’t the argument part of the fun?

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Having an actual, lively discussion of the issues, based on facts, is one thing.

    Repetitively yelling the same ideological rants at each other is quite another.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “that’s right back to character.”

    The first book offer came because the publisher thought it was notable he was elected the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. As far as the second, a great many presidential candidates write books outlining their visions for the country.

    Here’s another thing that speaks to character: someone blathering on about the publishing industry when they obviously don’t know anything about it.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    There can never be a lively discussion about facts. Facts are boring. It’s precisely the ideological rants, which marshal whatever “facts” at one’s disposal, which make the debate interesting. Underneath “ideological rants” there’s a the war of ideas.

    Now, that’s fun!

  • Cannonshop

    So he got the offer because of WHAT he was, not who, or what he accomplished while there, is that about right? And he took the offer.

    Sparkling. Your defense definitely helps the case of him being an empty-headed celebrity whose entire celebrity status is (literally) skin-deep. At least I gave him credit for being intelligent but venal. His supporter mocks his intelligence as well…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    No question Obama’s got an enormous ego. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. But that isn’t to say that he loves himself first, before the country.

    Perhaps his vision of what’s good for the country, and the world, is different from his critics. But that’s hardly a reason to think he’s a megalomaniac.

  • zingzing

    dave: ” I find it hard to be civil about a political party which exploits and oppresses the poor and the middle class and whose objective is to destroy America’s government and way of life.”

    why do they want to destroy these things? don’t you think your creation should have some motivation behind its actions? why, oh why do these evil democrats want to destroy america? kinda stupid to do that, don’t you think?

    and what’s the american way of life? i bet it’s everything you subscribe to and nothing you don’t.

    and as much as you’d like to think that it’s our party that “exploits and oppresses the poor and middle classes,” it’s just not true. you guys do pretty much just ignore them. as you should. you’re rich, white and relatively close to death. why bother?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “relatively close to death . . .”

    Now, that’s a zinger!

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    “I find it hard to be civil about a political party which exploits and oppresses the poor and the middle class and whose objective is to destroy America’s government and way of life.”

    Dave, that us total and utter bullshit, even for you. You take great pains to expose and denigrate conspiracy theorists, yet you are the king of them all. Nothing you say or write can or should be taken seriously as you have totally fallen off of the edge of the world. You have lost any semblance of reason you ever possessed.

    B

  • Cannonshop

    #58 Roger, ALL politicians are at least a little bit megalomaniac-no other personality type could endure the hell known as running for office.

    It’s how much, what kind, and how destructive the maniac is. I think we differ on this one…a lot. To me, Obama is a classic example of a chicago political sociopath-a Daley Disciple, if you will, and that’s VERY dangerous, because such a politico is…inclined…to look the other way at corruption as long as it gets him in, and keeps him there-provided he himself is not outright corrupt, which, given his appointment of so many non-answerable ‘Czars’ is rather questionable in and of itself, but combined with the Humana thing, where ideological purity rather than contractual performance was made clear to be more a factor in keeping a contract (a Daley-ism), well…

    It doesn’t look good, and I don’t trust him.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, I had my doubts during the primaries, but for now I try to keep on open mind and hope for the best.

    What does he stand to gain having aleady reached the highest office? Besides, some people grow up and try to measure up.

    Only the future will tell.

  • Cannonshop

    63. The Office isn’t YET permanent. It still expires, and even barring that, there’s the question of what comes next, and what sort of society is left behind after Jan. 20 2016.

    Will this be a nation of free people, with rights, or a gradually-imposed police state? will anyone notice the difference? Will Party Membership decide your career path? standard of living? will your ideological purity decide whether you get a good job, or flip burgers? will flipping burgers BE a ‘good job’ (because it’s at least a job)?

    Will it be bread-and-circuses, or a productive, prosperous society of equals? Will there be upward mobility for those not in the favoured demographics? will there be medicine if you’re not from the right kind of family, or with the right (LEFT) kind of background?

    Will people be allowed to go as they will, where they will, or will they have to wait for the state-approved trains? Will our money be worth..anything?

    Someone accepted by the Elite doesn’t have to worry about these-they’ll have the answer they want under any conditions. IT’s the other ninety percent that will face these questions.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    There’ll be no need for police state if there’ll be nothing to gain from pressing one’s advantage.

    I think humans are capable of reaching their potential if the right set of circumstances are present. At least Aristotle thought so.

  • Cannonshop

    65 Roger, humans have to overcome millions of years of evolution before that can happen-and become akin ot bees or ants, instead of mammalian apex predators.

    Tribalism, whether by religion, nation-state, skin tone, hair colour, shoe size, economic background, language, geography, or what have you is ingrained. One has to consciously RESIST it-that’s generally not something large numbers of humans are inclined to do. There will always be those who work hard, and those that do not, those that produce, and those that consume, those that create, and those that steal and destroy.

    I think it may be the root of the concept of ‘Free Will’-to make the choice between being a builder, and a smasher, between someone who makes things better, and someone who tries to take better things they had no hand in creating.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    B-tone @ #61:

    You must find it as amusing as I do that Dave’s #25, in which he attempts to demonstrate that he is fair-minded and also criticized Bush’s budgets, contains links to two articles in which he… bashed the Democrats.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    It’s a rather grim view of humanity, Cannon. And it does fly in the face of your recent appeal to ethics as part of our essential makeup.

    Make up your mind at least. Are we the descendants of the monkeys, or do we partake of the divine?

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    Will this be a nation of free people, with rights, or a gradually-imposed police state?

    bumper sticker political ‘discourse’. i suppose the cliches that tumble out here are no different than all the rest of the garbage out there on the internet.

  • Cannonshop

    #67 who wrote the Budgets, Doc? the original post Dave was responding to tried to lay the entire blame on…one man, who doesn’t write the budget. (Though dumbshit DID sign it…)

    I think it’s perfectly fair-minded to hold the guys who write the budgets responsible for what those budgets contain-including overages, don’t you? AFter all, they wrote the damn thing.

    Mind you, now, the PATRIOT act is entirely on the Republicans-but renewing it? that’s the Democrats…

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Wow, are you really that dense? In regards to the first book anytime someone is first at something it has a cache that appeals to publishers. Obviously you’ve never been in any business related to books.

    Not really sure how you can separate the who he is from what he is. And why wouldn’t he take the offer? How many times have you turned down publishers willing to give you money?

    And you mistake not my supporting your ignorance with supporting Obama. You should work on your own empty-headedness before casting aspersions.

  • Cannonshop

    69 Mark, ask yourself that question then consider the Kelo decision, or the status of someone whose name pops up on an FBI database in spite of not committing any crimes. There was a TSA case what, a couple years ago? some KID (and I don’t mean young adult) was kept off of a plane because his name was the same as an alias used by a domestic terrorist wanted by the feds.

    Ask someone arrested under ‘suspicion’ and held for up to six months without a hearing under PATRIOT, including denial of counsel, or someone whose assets were seized on an anonymous tip under the Omnibus Crime Bill of ’88-seized and sold off, but no conviction, and no restitution.

    “Thought Crime” leads to “Police State”. Recent decisions on cell-phone and GPS tracking reinforce this.

    At some point, in your desperate rush for ‘safety’ you’ll throw your,and others’ freedom away. What do you have then? After you’ve given up…everything, to be ‘safe’?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Cannon, that’s not what was amusing. It was Dave’s attempt to demonstrate that he was hard on Bush by linking to articles in which he did the exact opposite.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    I can hardly wait until we can all come together to work at the collective. I understand that they’re having a contest between Louis Vuitton and Vercase for the new design of our Mao Jackets. The State is All, Comrades!

    B

  • Clavos

    I would think we might all benefit from practicing that around here, starting with the author of this article and the person who quoted this gem so approvingly.

    Just for the record: I “quoted this gem so approvingly” because it’s a well-turned phrase, not because of to whom it referred, but let’s say it referred to me (and it well could, I am partisan, stubborn and opinionated — and happy with being so; I have no intention of becoming more moderate) — it’s still a “well-turned phrase.”

    i suppose the cliches that tumble out here are no different than all the rest of the garbage out there on the internet.

    Or in Washington…

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Dr.D,

    Pardon me for interrupting this exciting conversation, but I need your help. Or Christopher’s or someone’s…

    You know the rolls they serve all over Europe (and IIRC the UK). They are round and crusty and they are pretty much the best rolls ever invented. They are made from white flour and are served with any meal. I have had them at dinner and breakfast. They are literally the roll that you get everywhere. They practically fall out of the sky over there.

    I need to know what they are called. Do you know? Does anyone know? They have nothing half as delicious in the US. If I could name them I could get a recipe. TIA…

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I dunno the official name for them, Cindy. I’ve always just called them rolls. Or bread rolls. Or sometimes crusty rolls.

    They are indeed fantastic, at least when freshly baked. They go stale quickly though.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    So, I guess you don’t recommend I fly over there and fill up a carry-on full to take home.

    Well, if you could do me a favor. If you know any cooks or bakers or whatnot…and you happen to be thinking of it…could you ask around? I don’t think anyone knows what they are called…yet everyone there from Scotland to Austria is using the same recipe to make them.

    If you do I will love you forever (or I will refrain from loving you forever, depending on your preference)…

    :-)

  • Cannonshop

    #74 you sure they’ll let us have JACKETS and not just brown sackcloth robes with a rope around the waist?

  • Baronius

    Cindy, you’re not talking about croissants, are you?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    We use to call ‘em “Kaiser rolls.”

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    A recipe, including the illustration.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Bar, (+ a p.s. for Dr.D)

    Nope, not a croissant. It’s really just an ordinary looking round crusty dinner roll. But it tastes different. I am pretty sure I have not had one that tastes the same here. Nope, not a hard roll (Kaiser), Roger.

    p.s. Dr.D…Do you think this Spitzweck roll could be the one I want? I haven’t seen one in a few years. I am remembering them as more round…but maybe they’re not?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    That could be it, Cindy, except the ones I remember are more round. That Spitzweck looks tasty though.

    The rolls I have in mind are pretty much just white bread, baked as rolls rather than loaves.

  • zingzing

    “loaf” is probably the word i hate most in the english language. just sounds squishy and plump. “rumple” is another word i hate. put them together and you get “rumpleloaf,” which just has to be the most disgusting thing ever.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    [awkward silence]

    Dr Evil: Riiiiight…

  • zingzing

    you don’t worry about these things?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    No, I don’t, zing, and I suggest you follow suit by mixing yourself (or finding someone to mix for you) a nice Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster. Cheers.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    so then do you order your bread by the slice, zing?

  • zingzing

    eb, if there’s one thing my neighborhood is missing, it’s a bakery. so, i don’t get to order bread too often. it’s strange. i never really have to say the word. or i just pretend it’s the verb whenever i’m forced to say it.

    doc, RUMPLELOAF! RUMPLELOAF! gross.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Cindy, you’re looking for what the French call a “boulle”

    Dave

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    you hate squishy and plump? you can’t think of a single thing more horrifying than squishy and plump?

    *makes a kind of italian gesture in zing’s direction*

    plump and squishy sounds lovely to me. sounds a lot like breasts that haven’t been surgically implanted. even if i can’t be gay, i think breasts look beautiful. what in the world is wrong with you zing? you don’t like breasts?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Thanks, Dave. I will find a recipe and try making that. :-)

  • Cannonshop

    Squishy and plump is DEFINITELY superior to bony and dry.

  • Cannonshop

    Hmmm…come to think of it, it’s also better than Squamous or Juddering…

  • zingzing

    cindy: “what in the world is wrong with you zing? you don’t like breasts?”

    do you bite your thumb at me, madam?

    if they look like loaves, no. but you put a nipple on a loaf of bread, and i’m more interested. suckle. i must say i’ve never connected the two, but now you’ve fucked me up for life. thanks. jesus. gonna get excited every time i buy bread now.

  • zingzing

    also, going to start slicing breasts. you’ve made a ripper out of me.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    not much of a ripper if you can be reduced to a quivering wreck by the use of the word “rumpleloaf”.

    Ha!

    Rumpleloaf.

    RUMPLEloaf.

    RUMPLELOAF!

    Had enough yet?

    ;-)

  • zingzing

    luckily, the context for the word only exists in my mind, which, unfortunately, is out to get me. i felt the need to spread it. my mind, i mean. spreading my mind.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Zing, the Ripper?

    I’m with you, though. Tits should be soft and pliable. Bread crusty and resilient, something to sink one’s teeth into.

    Which isn’t to say that the nipples aren’t meant for biting, as long as you do it gently.

  • Baronius

    Zing’s Rule: Never announce your pet peeves on a chat board.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    This article has been reduced to a commentary on tits and nipples (or is it shits and giggles?)

    Is this a commentary to how low the Democrats have fallen – or the commenters?

  • Cannonshop

    102 Yes.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Definitely the commenters, Ruvy – which is why we aren’t and shouldn’t be allowed out unsupervised. :-)

  • zingzing

    “Is this a commentary to how low the Democrats have fallen – or the commenters?”

    hope you’re including yourself in that one, ruvster.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Ruvster?

    Yes, it fits.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    What’s wrong with tits & ass? The finest in literature and philosophy is but a sublimation of the carnal dream.

  • Baronius

    You know, Ruvy, in a perfect world people would stick to the topic of the thread. But I’ve got a hunch that one more iteration of the same argument isn’t going to change anyone’s thinking, and this thread was kind of dying out on its own. A little frivolity isn’t a crime.

    Besides, it adds a new wrinkle. A new fold. A new, what’s the word…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    It’s certainly adding spice to Dave Nalle’s rather predictable articles.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    And speaking of bread, you’ve got to check Italian, Cindy.

    Here’s one site.

    Something to nibble at, besides nipples.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    What Baronius said. Who cares if some BC threads go off-topic? That’s what human conversations do, and since this site doesn’t have a moderator one must assume that Eric and the rest of the cadre are quite happy for us to ramble on to our hearts’ content about whatever tickles our tits.

    Isn’t this species of anarchy preferable to changing every discussion to the same subject, as some people are wont to do…? ;-)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Whatever tickles our tits?

    Wow, that’s not my most sensitive spot, but I’ll settle for it in lieu of anything better.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Another good site with links galore.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    If I could give out free breasts to top Obamacare I would.

    Dave

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Unfortunately, the suckers are buying it, and it ain’t nothing even close to good sex.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    do you bite your thumb at me, madam?

    lol, nah, that is harsh…it was the gesture where you hold your hand out sort of in front of you and press all your fingers together and shake your hand back and forth and say, “whatsamattafahyou?”–like this.

    (in the movies this is sometimes accompanied by a gentle slap in the head)

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Roger, you sorta freak me out…I think I’ll change the subject…(gulp)…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Sorta went off on a tangent, Cindy. Sorry.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Besides, it adds a new wrinkle. A new fold. A new, what’s the word…

    er…rumple?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    a rumple with a dimple.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Just being silly, Rog…

    You aren’t really freaking me out…

    zing the slasher was sorta creepy though…until Christopher made him fall into a crack in the earth…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I thought you objected to sexual allusions. I’m glad, then, I haven’t overstepped.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Roger, when I ride on a roller coaster, I just close my eyes for the parts I don’t care to see. ;-)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I did post something for you, Cindy. Awaiting your comments.