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Dear Ms. Hasselbeck… The 9/11 Conspiracy Visits The View

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Thursday, May 24 will be a big day for the creators of Loose Change, the wildly successful Internet “documentary” which says the Pentagon was struck by a missile instead of a plane, the World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition, and that the passengers on United Airlines Flight 93 were taken to Cleveland and then spirited away, presumably to Mars.

Korey Rowe and Dylan Avery, along with Willie Rodriguez, a 9/11 survivor who insists he saw evidence of controlled demolition, will appear on a major network daytime TV show, ABC’s The View. Rosie O’Donnell will thankfully be leaving the show in a few weeks, but as a going away present, ABC is giving her the chance to promote 9/11 conspiracy nonsense to a nationwide audience.

The View’s
token conservative, former Survivor contestant Elisabeth Hasselbeck, is arguably the meekest right-winger on television today. If someone like Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, or even (ugh) Ann Coulter was on The View, I have no doubt they’d demolish the Loosers, even with the very loud Rosie O’Donnell trying to back them up. But Hasselbeck? She’s very nice — and, if anything, that’s the problem. I fear she will let herself be steamrollered by Rowe and Avery, whose arguments are quite convincing if you’re completely ignorant of physics, engineering, defence policy and common sense.

Before the Loosers show up on The View, I strongly advise Hasselbeck to take a crash course in 9/11 conspiracy debunking. She can start by watching Screw Loose Change: The Not Freakin’ Again Edition, an annotated rebuttal film which can be viewed here. The blogs Screw Loose Change (not affiliated with the movie) and 9/11 Conspiracy Smasher do a superb job of keeping tabs on the Loosers’ constantly mutating conspiracy theories, and 911Myths features detailed, sensible explanations for nearly every so-called “anomaly” in the so-called “official story” of September 11.

The Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths (reviewed by me here) is an essential read as well, and I encourage Elisabeth to pay particular attention to the ways conspiracy theorists have tried to discredit the magazine. For example, PM editor Benjamin Chertoff has the same last name as Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff – “proof,” therefore, that he’s related to him. More recently, the conspiracy theorists (apparently inspired by an article from Willis Carto's American Free Press) are shrieking that a management "coup" occurred at Popular Mechanics just before their 9/11 article appeared. A-ha! The Illuminati thought of everything, didn’t they?

There are a lot of conspiracy-debunking materials out there, and a skilled debater can thoroughly dismantle the Loose Change filmmakers if she prepares. I’d especially advise Hasselbeck to stand up to Rosie herself, who promised that she would get physicists from Harvard and Yale to appear on The View to back up her theories about controlled demolition. Instead, these no-name dropouts are the best she could do.

But even if the conspiracy theorists are humiliated on The View this Thursday, the fact that they made it onto the show at all is disturbing enough. In the 1980s, tacky talk shows like Donahue and Geraldo regularly allowed neo-Nazis, Klansmen, and Holocaust deniers to shock the audience. Although their beliefs were always challenged, sometimes vigorously, just the fact that they were invited on the air conferred a legitimacy upon their beliefs that they did not deserve. In her seminal book Denying the Holocaust, Deborah Lipstadt writes about how the producers of one show wanted her to debate so-called “revisionists” on the air. They told her they thought it was important that viewers saw “the other side” of the issue.

No matter what happens on The View, the “9/11 truth movement” will have been exposed to millions of daytime TV viewers who will never have heard of it. Their theories will have been deemed a subject worthy of debate, and this nonsense will take another step toward the mainstream.

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  • Chris

    Unfortunatly she really would have the short end of the stick. CTers always have the upperhand in a debate as they just need to list their ‘facts’ with no need to show scientific proof while the debunker is left with having to know all the different science topics involved to debunk it. And without foreknowledge of topics covered, there is just no way to prepare properly. Rosie and the CTers have already won. And they will beat that into everyones head across the internet.

  • Why is this necessarily a job for the “token conservative?” 9/11 conspiracy theories are not a liberal thing–they’re a conspiracy theorist thing. As you said, the theories are easily debunked. Most liberals embrace logic, believe it or not.

  • Ms. Hasselbeck spells her name with an “s” rather than a “z”: Elisabeth

  • Fixed, thank you (and hi!).

  • I don’t understand why they would be giving these nuts a major media venue in the first place. I can only assume the big foot hunters and fake alien autopsies are due up next….

    Stupidity really ought to be a capital crime.

  • Steinback

    While it’s not hard to see what is speculation and what isn’t in films like “Loose Change”, “9-11 Mysteries”, etc, you don’t appear capable of such seperation. Watch “Press For Truth” to get a hold of a good 9-11 movie that plainly shows so many of the lies we have been presented. But you may not even believe that which is fact given your attachment to the Popular Mechanics article, which was so full of fallacy and outright lies in so many instances that I feel if that’s your best argument against these conspiracies then you may up and decide tomorrow we’ve been invaded by aliens, and they look just like us.

  • I really love topics like this because it gets everyday people insisting that they are experts on things that it takes many years of college and post-graduate education to achieve the knowledge the experts need to be able to determine what happens in disasters like this. The physics of events like this are so far beyond our normal understanding of everyday life that we “everyday people” can’t begin to grasp what is going on in them. Anyone who insists he/she does is a fool.

  • Jacob

    Every major event in the past 100 or so years has a conspiracy hypothesis surrounding it. No matter what the outcome there would be a conspiracy attached to 9/11. So to try to eliminate any of that is impossible. With that said Damian and people like him have wholeheartedly supported every action the government have done with regards to 9/11 by not investigating it. There are many questions that have not been answered and many that will never be answered because the steel was shipped to China so fast that a second more conclusive study did not have after the FEMA study. There are many things that could have been learned from studying 9/11 conclusively and that would have saved lives in the future. Unfortunately people’s emotions got the best of them and we won’t know everything we should about 9/11.

  • Maybe the truth is just so awful, many of you wouldn’t have the mental capacity to handle it. The important thing is that we learn the truth and we expose the lies! All of the evidence, if looked at closely and with an open-mind, concludes that the united states government, at the very least, knew 911 was coming and allowed it to happen. Even further evidence suggests that they had a direct hand in it.

    The only way we will ever get to the bottom of it all is if we properly examine ALL of the evidence. And that has yet to be done. Tune in to my show, every weeknight, 10pm-12am EDT as we examine this and other issues that are continually ignored by the mainstream media!

    Revolution Radio, Monday-Friday 10pm-12am EDT!

  • Ryan

    All of you who are not in favor of having this debate on The View are hypocrits. You call 9/11 Truth Activists “nuts” etc. , but you have NOT heard our claims. Perhaps you have read a negative spin article on us, or perhaps you watch Fox News with Bill O’Reilly.

    Let me get this straight.

    You believe that there was a conspiracy to commit murder in Iraq, and to kill american soldiers by lying about WMD’s in Iraq.

    You believe that Bush has secretly tried to make himself a dictator by passing Executive Orders outlining his responsibilities should another major attack occur.

    You believe that Bush and his cronies are secretly spying on Americans which is completely UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

    But you cannot fathom for even a second that they wouldn’t plan something like 9/11 in order to make this stuff happen?

    Let me help you. You liberals (I was once one too) believe that Republicans are bad and that Democrats are good. That is SOOOO wrong.

    There is no left/right paradigm in the US. It is a lie. Both parties are in cohoots to keep us from having power. You know, THE PEOPLE.

    Go read the F-ing constitution and declaration of independence sometime!

    Before it is outlawed.

  • Anonymous

    Mike, please stop using 9/11 to attempt to advance your pedestrian radio show. Thank you.

    Also, you have no proof. All you have is unsubstantiated, wild speculation.

    Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Quotation by Tom Johnson:

    “it gets everyday people insisting that they are experts on things that it takes many years of college and post-graduate education to achieve the knowledge the experts need to be able to determine what happens in disasters like this.”


    All of the truthers are just mouth-pieces for what they’ve been told by Uncle Alex, et. al. They have no concept of what they say; they are just told to say it and are only too happy to comply.

    Don’t believe me? Go ahead and ask Mike or Ryan their background in physics and chemistry.

  • Harbinger

    Truthers think something is true merely because it’s on the internet and coincides with their uneducated philosophies.

  • jimmyb

    The TRUTH is not always pretty. The TRUTH is you are really blood and guts,flesh and bone when disected and closely observed. It’s not easy to look at, but thats the truth.
    9-11 was designed to shock and scare the hell out of people. It was designed that way, so people WOULD NOT ALLOW themselves to ever belive that their government could ever be capable of something so evil. So the masses readily accepted the lie handed to us by our so called government.
    9-11 brought obscene wealth to the people involved. It also brought misery and dark control to the rest of the world.
    The 9-11 Truth Movement is a sincere organization. They literally are bringing the Truth to light. Wether you choose to listen or not.

  • Harbinger


    You sound like an Alex Jones pull-string doll. Turn off your television and go learn something please.

  • George

    “9-11 brought obscene wealth to the people involved.”

    Yes. Ask Alex Jones and Dylan Avery to give you an honest evaluation of their respective incomes and popularity before and after 9/11.

    Who benefitted, indeed.

  • jimmyb

    Harbinger and George, I’ll turn off my TV if you both just go back to sleep. You both are one of those people whose mind will not allow them to think the unthinkable. I know…The Truth hurts….

  • Ryan

    Do you have a pychology degree to be analyzing us like so? Didn’t think so.

    Experts are great, and we have hundreds on our side, every day gaining more and more support.

    If our movement were illegit, you’d see a fad, and then a quick fading off into the sunset.

    Quite to the contrary, we are seeing our numbers multiply day after day after day.

    No one was EVER been a 9/11 Truth activist and then one day sat down and said, “you know what, I was wrong all of this time”

    but the reverse happens thousands of times a day.

    The truth is self-evident. If you can name one piece of evidence that the Government could have failed to intercept four airliners on the most important day to intercept them, and previoulsy in 2001 intercept over 60 flights, please do.

    If you can provide ONE PIECE of evidence (let alone proof) that Osama Bin Laden was directly or indirectly invovled in 9/11. Please do.

    Both the US and UK governments promised to produce proof, but they never did.

    Study the Pakistani ISI connect to Atta.

    Study the insider trading.

    Study our NORAD air-defense system.

    Study it all, then make up your minds. Don’t reject the truth just because it is unpleasent to contemplate, or unpopular to discuss.

    Dissent is what made this country great, and continues to ensure our freedom from tyrants.

    Those who try to silence us. I ask you. Who benefits from your compliance?

  • sean Paul Mahoney

    The bigger conspiracy going on here is The View’s ratings stunt conspiracy. TPTB at the show had to do something to save the slumping coffee clatch from cancellation.
    Since Rosie’s arrival the show has become tabloid fodder (Rosie vs Barbara, Rosie vs Trump, Rosie vs Elisabeth, Rosie vs Kelly Ripa vs Clay Aiken, etc.). And the ratings have never been better.
    This “going away present” is one last ditch effort to keep tounges wagging about The View while producers scramble to find her replacement. It has little to do with a search for the truth about 911 and more to do with the almighty advertising dollar.

  • George

    Just bury your head jimmyb, and maybe Uncle Alex will be in later to read you a bedtime story.

  • “Stupidity really ought to be a capital crime.”

    And thus you would be the first case to be tried.

    Any topic that generates the hundreds of millions of page views and webhits that this one does is automatically cause for discussion in the mainstream. As a PhD in physics I can only say that nothing thus far presented by way of “official explanation” has come within striking distance of scientific reality. I don’t have any idea who committed this crime, nor the specifics of how it was executed, but I know that the explanations provided by the media and our government are demonstrably false.

    What honest and thoughtful person wouldn’t you want to resolve this issue?

  • Harbinger

    We’re not buying your Alex Jones parroted fraud, jimmyb. Feel free to deny 9/11. It is a fundamental freedom. But it is also my fundamental freedom to call you an idiot (in so many words). So, be stupid, but don’t be surprised when you are treated accordingly.

  • jimmyb

    Frank Parker, Very well said. Thank you.

  • Harbinger

    “I can only say that nothing thus far presented by way of “official explanation” has come within striking distance of scientific reality.”

    You do know “The 9/11 Commission Report” was an estimation based on available facts (a “best guess”) and not a doctrine of absolute truth, don’t you?

    Also, it is unlikely you’ve officially investigated the events. Consequently, your entire realm of knowledge and understanding is in the domain of the internet. If you are the consummate scientist you claim (and not just a pedant), you will easily recognize the inherent danger and restrictions of such knowledge and understanding.

  • Blanch

    By the way, it’s MRS Hasselbeck, not MS. Hasselbeck. I wonder greatly how researched the author’s article is.

  • Alec

    I agree that it is not up to Elisabeth Hasselbeck, or any other conservative commentator to attack the junk science and nuttiness of 9/11 conspiracy clowns. The show might be half-way interesting if they brought on a psychologist to explain why some people have a need to invent and hold onto conspiracy theories that always involve some nearly omnipotent outside force. There is no material difference between the 911 Truth Movement, people who believe in alien contact, or even Jerry Falwell’s nutty statements about 911 being God’s punishment of the US.

  • Blanch,

    That is the most rediculous response I have ever seen. Implying the author did not do research on the events of 9/11 because he was unaware of the marital status of someone on the view?

  • Frank Parker,

    The key words are “honest and thoughtful” and the 9/11 deniers are neither. They are exploitative, manipulative and dishonest. They routinely take supposition and theory and present it as proven fact and in many cases, push bald-faced lies as truth. For The View to provide a forum for this type of crass exploitation is asinine. It is not news, it is speculative fiction (and bad speculative fiction at that). It clearly demonstrates both the shallow and vacuous approach the US media takes to the news and by lending credence and enabling this stupidity, it lends itself to the further “dumbing down” the citizenry who would rather believe in make-believe shadowy forces of the government manipulating events in secret then actually sit up and try to understand current events.

    It is nice however that you got your Phd. in Physics….perhaps it will be useful when you head off next to disprove the moon landing, find that lost Templer treasure or capture the Loch Ness monster….

    I have yet to see any of the proported “evidence” of a conspiracy stand up to outside scientific scrutiny (and please note this is not an invitation to post any – try to stay on topic) and the vast majority of the anti-9/11ers seem to be narcissitic attention-seekers and conspiracy nuts. None of the comments in this thread seem evident to the contrary.

  • Nancy

    I wish “stupidity really ought to be a crime”: the first one to be convicted & executed would be our dear Fearless Leader, Dubya Bush!

  • Nancy

    It says volumes about this administration that so many (even if they are of the opposite party) are willing to believe such a theory. Frankly, this administration has brought this kind of suspicion on itself through endless (& usually totally gratuitous) lies, spin, & chicanery of a kind that dwarfs even the nefarious admin of Tricky Dickie Nixon & his band of goons.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future it did come out that BushCo (if not Dubya himself, definitely Cheney) did have forewarning of 9/11 & allowed it to happen. It’s only recently been revealed that Roosevelt AND Churchill ‘allowed’ Pearl Harbor to happen, in order to bring the US into WWII. IMO, that makes both Roosevelt & Churchill, not world heroes, but murderers. It also teaches me to put NOTHING past those in power in any government, including (or especially) the US, since they obviously regard The People as expendables to be destroyed or manipulated at will.

  • Alec

    re: It’s only recently been revealed that Roosevelt AND Churchill ‘allowed’ Pearl Harbor to happen, in order to bring the US into WWII. IMO, that makes both Roosevelt & Churchill, not world heroes, but murderers.

    This claim about Roosevelt and Churchill distorts the historical evidence and recently disclosed documents, but it is a good example of the ridiculous claims of conspiracy theorists. Roosevelt could have “allowed” Pearl Harbor to happen only if he had absolute knowledge that the US and its Allies would win World War II. This is absurd. Since the attack on Pearl Harbor (and also on Singapore and the Philippines) effectively crippled US and British naval capability in the Pacific, it was just as possible that the Axis could have pressed their advantage and forced Britain into an unconditional surrender before the US could ramp up any military opposition.

    911 conspiracy theorists, like WW II conspirators, appear to hold an odd belief that the West, or the US, or the UK or the Catholic Church or any of a number of usual suspects are nearly omnipotent. There is an infantile core of condescension and even racism here in that these conspirators don’t seem to believe that anyone other than some mystical and mythical white ruling class is capable of exercising power.

  • Nancy

    No, but a good many people in power seem to believe THEY are omnipotent. Take Dubya, for example. Kind of like kids never think they can be injured or die….

  • Blanch


    I didn’t imply his article was un-researched. I am merely wondering if it was.

    You may have inferred that, but I did not imply it.

  • If this was a rational society we would draft the best from our citizenry to study the issue and present all the facts to the American public on television in a accessible honest way. We need a better way to handle this than by trying to bury it and insulting the messengers.

  • daryl d

    I truly believe that our administration knew 911 was coming, but chose not to do anything because they could take advantage of it, maniuplate people, etc. I don’t believe in whacky demolition theories and statements about the Flight 93 members being taken to Mars, but this administration knew about 911, plain and simple.

  • conchubar

    I know this is a bit off-topic, but just to clarify something. The title “Miss” applies to an unmarried female. “Mrs” designates a married female. And “Ms” is an appellation that can be applied to either, their marital status notwithstanding.

  • Henry Palozz

    “I truly believe that our administration knew 911 was coming, but chose not to do anything because they could take advantage of it, maniuplate people, etc. I don’t believe in whacky demolition theories and statements about the Flight 93 members being taken to Mars, but this administration knew about 911, plain and simple.”

    I agree. Also I think there is something off in WTC 7 because of the BBC’s reporting there.

    Look at what Canadian intelligence agencies knew about the Air India bombing. They didn’t do anything, and we only found out 20 years after the fact (a few months ago).

    There’s a classified report on US intelligence agencies’ responses leading up to 9/11 that a democrat believes embarasses too many people, so the FOIA isn’t going through.

    BTW I heard that the Loose Change on the View thing was just cancelled.

  • Steve Barry

    “Stupidity really ought to be a capital crime.”

    What a stupid thing to say.
    Insulting the 9/11 truth crowd will not dissuade them. Try thoughtful debate.

  • carmen

    about today’s view.
    Rosie is the View. Rosie and Joy Behar are the intellectuals of this show. The view is no longer focussing on the poor old ladies who usually watch soap operas and eating bon bons. Rosie has made the show more interesting and informative. The misfit Elisabeth can not hold more than one thought at a time, can not speak clearly, has to scratch her thighs, head and other parts of the body million times, always use many ‘uhms’ in one sentence since she can not think coherently. What a misfit for the show.

  • Steve Barry.

    I also want to add that Alex Jones doesn’t own the truth movement. And the not all the truthers are from the left. The reality is that a great deal of people are questioning the official 9/11 account. Deal with it.

  • STM

    “Try thoughtful debate.”

    Please … spare us. How can you have thoughtful debate with conspiracy theorists? Anyone who can’t work out what really happened on 9/11 – or chooses not to see the REAL truth despite all the evidence available – and makes a federal case out of it probably needs to be examined for conditions that would ordinarily render them incapable of being taken seriously.

    Post 9/11, the “truthers” are the real victims of this nonsense, not those who choose to see reality.

  • Alec

    Steve Barry – re: Insulting the 9/11 truth crowd will not dissuade them. Try thoughtful debate.

    The problem with the 9/11 Truth Movement is that, like all conspiracy theorists, they willfully ignore the facts and fall back on the idea of a mysterious “they” who are always suppressing the “real truth.” If you confront them with simple question, “what evidence would convince you that you are wrong?” they have to throw up evasions because they are wedded to their conspiracy theory and ignore anything which might contradict it.

    For example, on a recent episode of The View, Rosie O’Donnell repeated the canard that the heat from the jet fuel could not have melted the steel structure of the World Trade Center Towers. Rosie and the so-called Truth squad willfully ignore the example, just a few weeks ago, of a single relatively slow moving gas tanker which exploded and melted the steel and concrete of a section of a freeway in the Bay area. An event that was supposedly “impossible,” based on the nutty claims of the 911 conspiracy bunch, turns out to be not so unusual after all.

    There was an excellent article published not too long ago in Skeptic Magazine that examined the 911 conspiracy claims, found them all ridiculous, and also admirably showed that there is simply no grand suppression of “hidden” evidence.

  • Honest Questions

    This saddens me. What (exactly) would the bar of evidence be for those who say that it was 19 arabs with box cutters?

    What, to you, would qualify as “proof”?

    P.S. This is an honest question. I have studied the events surrounding 9/11 in great depth, and the official story is comical in it’s implausibility. What would be required for all of you believing in the official conspiracy to demand a new investigation?

  • I’ll put my faith in the scientists, architects, engineers, physicisists and former US military intelligence officers, the soldiers, the mechanics, the scholars, who simply put words onto what is clearly visible to anyone who has taken the time to look at the evidence.

    9/11 was an inside job, and a blueprint for one of its precedents can be read by anyone in the now de-classified “Northwood Project” documents. The neo-cons even thoroughly documented their MO as the “Plan For A New American Century” manifesto (PNAC). PNAC calls for pre-emptive military strikes and forced ‘regime change’ in ‘hostile’ countries. PNAC calls for endless, hugely profitable wars against a nebulous foe so dangerous that the only way your government can keep you safe is to take all your liberty. Iraq? Afghanistan? Just the start of it. The number of soldiers who can die to protect US interests in the middle east is unlimited. They’re not there to bring stability, they’re there to set up permanent bases. Will another “terrorist attack” be visited on the innocent to ease the way into another ‘necessary’ invasion of Iran?

    PNAC calls for “Full spectrum dominance” of global oil and water resources, and permanent military bases in the middle east. All of which is already happening. Wake up America! Denial is not a defence!

  • Patriot

    It’s so obvious that the main author of this blog is CIA/FBI. There are numerous Government/Academic/Scholors/Physicists/Scientists/Patriots who know 9/11 was an inside job.

    Please answer these questions without smartass childish responses or just saying “oh,you believe in little green men”. This is a known propaganda technique to avoid rational discussion.

    1. Why did Bush block 2 investigations?
    2. Why didn’t WTC7 appear in the 9/11 commission report?
    3. Why did NORAD stand down AND not follow regulations?
    4. Why didn’t the mainstream press inform us that the pentagon was running war games on the morning of 9/11. One of these games was simulating planes used as weapons into buildings. The Vice President was in charge of war games.

    Do the homework, just look it up if you don’t believe it.

  • “Rosie and Joy Behar are the intellectuals of this show…”

    Ugh. Now we have proof that intellectualism is truly dead.

    “Rosie has made the show more interesting and informative…”

    Ugh again. O’Donnell and informative in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

    Nancy, “It’s only recently been revealed that Roosevelt AND Churchill ‘allowed’ Pearl Harbor to happen, in order to bring the US into WWII.” That’s a specious and long assumed position that most reputable historians stand clear from. There were plenty of ways to enter the war.

  • Joe Mellon

    Be a 9/11 “questioner” first, not a “truther”:

    Why did NORAD et al stand down? Incompetence? If so, why wasn’t there a massive investigation, public outcry and head-rolling?

    How could the towers fall at free fall speed into their own footpoint – path of MOST resistance – without additional caustive forces (bombs, thermite, etc)? Without these forces in the equation, Newton’s three laws are broken.(simple Physics 101 stuff – look it up)

    Where is all that footage from the dozens of survelence cameras of a 757 crashing into the Pentagon (the most secure building in the world)? Talk about great TV!! I we only get 5 frames. Hmmmmmmm

    …and hundreds more.

    Once you realize that these questions have no answers in today’s collective conscience, then you graduate from a 9/11 “questioner” into a 9/11 truth seeker.

    Google “9/11 Truth”

    Joe Mellon

  • Alec

    Patriot – re: Please answer these questions without smartass childish responses or just saying “oh,you believe in little green men”. This is a known propaganda technique to avoid rational discussion.

    As noted before, every supposed question you pose has been answered. One can easily find the information online in summary or expanded form in a number of places, including the comprehensive Skeptics magazine article and a site specifically devoted to 911 myths.

    Clearly, a conspiracy theory becomes wacky when its proponents consistently ignore the fact that their questions have been answered and simply repeat the questions again and again. Conspiracy theorists are stuck in their psychological need to create an easily repeatable scary story in which they have been betrayed by government or society. Conspiracy theories are fairy tales for frightened adults.

  • Lou

    “The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.” Albert Einstein

    With the way our government works and what they tell us (and don’t tell us), I hope we never stop questioning.

  • STM

    Fu.k, with people believing 9/11 was an “inside job”, no wonder America is going down the chute with bells on. To the one who thinks it implausible that 19 idiots with box cutters could do what they did, the reason they no longer can is because they actually did.

    I agree it was implausible, but that’s probably the reason it happened. Normal people don’t think of things like flying jets full of passengers into big buildings full of people. Radical Islamic fundamentalists do, though. They thought it was hilarious that they could do what they did as easily as they did. Wake up and smell the jet fuel.

  • marvin

    exactly what evidence are you guys talking about? the passport the miraculously flew out of one of the planes and landed on the streets of Manhattan. Or are you referring to the bin laden “confession” tape with someone who looks nothing like bin laden? Just wondering what proof there actually is backing up the official story.

  • Twooferkiller

    For all of you twoofers out there, the link at the bottom of this blog really does completely destroy your arguments. It destroys it so bad, there aren’t even scraps to pick up afterwards. If you really want to face some constructive criticism, read that extremely long article. That is, if you’re man enougth. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously. Sure, you may have a few arguments left to fight with after reading the article, but not enougth to mean anything.

  • Twooferkiller

    #43 — May 24, 2007 @ 04:43AM — Alec
    Actually, this guy posted the link. Read it and weep, twoofers! You know what? I’ll post it here: Read the whole thing and try to stay true to your beliefs.

  • Let’s just face a few simple facts.

    Skyscrapers MUST hold themselves up. They must also sway in the wind. The people who design skyscrapers MUST figure out how much steel and how much concrete they are going to put on every level before they even dig the hole for the foundation.

    After EIGHT YEARS why don’t we have a table specifying the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level of the WTC? The NIST report does not even specify the TOTAL for the concrete. The total for the steel is in three places. So even if the planes did it that 10,000 page report is CRAP!

    Conspiracies are irrelevant. The Truth Movement should be marching on all of the engineering schools in the country.

    Watch that Purdue simulation. If a 150 ton airliner crashes near the top of a skyscraper at 440 mph isn’t the building going to sway? Didn’t the survivors report the building “moving like a wave”? So why do the core columns in the Purdue video remain perfectly still as the plane comes in?

    That is the trouble with computer simulations. If they are good, they are very good. But if they have a defect either accidental or deliberate they can be REALLY STUPID once you figure out the flaws.

    The distribution of steel and concrete is going to affect the sway of a skyscraper whether it is from the wind or an airliner.

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    How much does one complete floor assembly weigh?

    You know those square donut floor slabs? They were 205 ft square with a rectangular hole for the core. There was a steel rebar mesh embedded in the concrete which was poured onto corrugated steel pans which were supported by 35 and 60 foot trusses. There has been talk about those things pancaking on each other for years.

    But has anyone ever said what the whole thing weighed? Why haven’t we seen that A LOT in EIGHT YEARS? The concrete alone is easy to compute, about 600 tons. But the concrete could not be separated from the entire assembly, the knuckles of the trusses were embedded in the concrete. So what did the whole thing weigh and why haven’t the EXPERTS mentioned that A LOT?

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    So why hasn’t Richard Gage and his buddies produced a table with the TONS of STEEL and TONS fo CONCRETE that were on every level of the WTC? How much computing power do they have compared to the early 1960s when the buildings were designed? I asked Gage about that in May of 2008 at Chicago Circle Campus and he got a surprised look on his face and gave me this LAME excuse about the NIST not releasing accurate blueprints. Gravity hasn’t changed since the 1960s. They should be able to come up with some reasonable numbers.