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Torrance, your excellent list got held up in the spam quay. On WP the comments are held if they contain two or more links. It has been posted now. The lengths women have to go through in order to get out of that exam are unbelievable. Informed consent is a basic right but women still aren't being offered this, even with all the new research to support the fact vaginal exams are not medically indicated, connected, or required for birth control.
I agree Elizabeth should write the new brochure! Truthful, well researched, comprehensive information would finally be available to women. Can you imagine?
I don't know if this has been referenced here before but here's an article about cervical screening and informed consent.
"In order to ensure that all general practices do their utmost to help
achieve these national targets general practitioners who manage to take smears from 80% of their target age group of female patients receive a substantial
payment. A much lower sum is given to
those GPs who reach only 50% of their target
population.'7 Several GPs surveyed in 1994
agreed that their screening behaviour was influencedby these financial targets. One GP commented:
"We are afraid of missing our targets, not
missing a cancer", whilst another admitted: "I'm keen to do smears but to be honest more for the targets than for the benefit to patients"
"In 1989 an
article in Update entitled "How to Achieve Cervical Cytology Targets" advised GPs that "in women of more than 60 years old the procedure for taking smears can be both painful and yield insufficient material. However, if targets are to be
achieved we are going to have to persuade some pensioners of the value of cervical cytology screening"."0 At least this article did continue:
"One must preserve a degree of humanity here
and if these patients do not wish to have a smear
their opinion should be respected"."0 In 1994, Dr
Gallen, a family doctor in Wellingborough,
advised GPs in an article entitled "Hit that target" that it is essential to "List and chase defaulters who have not responded within three months of the first invitation to a smear test"
I think I'll chase and hunt down that Dr Gallen and tell him what I think of him.
Mary that is so interesting and it's no wonder they don't seem to care when women refusing a pap walk out. If they agreed to see the woman and didn't get a pap from her then their percentages would drop. The line: "One must preserve a degree of humanity here" is maddening. Do they mean one must preserve a degree of humanity as in lets not put the older ladies through too much agony and humiliation - but still do try and talk them into it? The unspoken message of course is to not treat the rest of the women humanely, be as inhumane as you like in your efforts to reach those targets. Please let the rest us know when you've bagged the good fellow.
Torrance, I've added a sentence at the end of the post with a link to your comment and list of sites just to make sure readers will see it. If you wanted to post more than one link in a comment I will find it eventually so don't worry if you don't see it post right away, put as many links into a comment as you like. Although you seem to have picked up all links to online pharmacy sites already - how many left could there be!
Mary, thank you very much for the link to the article! It is both very sad and very eye-opening.
Sad to read (once again) about how the patients are really seen by their doctors: they keep telling us that it's all "for our own good", but in reality they are just chasing targets and money.
I can't understand why doctors remain, in public opinion, the most trusted profession! For example, very often a government department will accept a letter from a doctor as a proof of the person's identity. Why are doctors somehow more special than any other profession?
I trust my electrician better than a doctor. He is just doing his job and not chasing any "targets". If something is wrong, he explains it to me, outlines the options, tells about pros and cons of each option and lets me to choose what I'd rather do. If only doctors did same...
So far, the electrical wiring of my house is treated with more respect by the electrician than my health by the doctors. For the electrician, I am a person with my own opinion and right to choose and decide. For the doctor, I am a target that can be mislead, abused and hurt for the sake of profit.
Oh, yes, my subscription to the BMJ is money very well spent...their public statements and "advice" are often very different to their locked behind a pay wall comments.
Like this one,
"Des Spence and I are right to rail against a system that allows young women in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to be physically and emotionally scarred in the pursuit of a screening programme that is not based on evidence. Review after review points out that the harm caused by screening women under the age of 25 outweighs any possible benefit. It is a source of embarrassment to me, as a BMA member, to read motions calling for a reduction in the age of cervical screening in the UK at a BMA Annual Conference and at the same time read scientific reviews in the BMJ pointing out the harm that such underage screening does. How can this anomaly exist? Why aren't GPs and Gynaecologists in those countries protesting every time they have to deal with cervical dyskaryosis in a woman under the age of 25? We know that these lesions are destined for spontaneous regression if the woman is left alone. At our clinic in Chester, we have great difficulty explaining to a Welsh woman who has had numerous dyskaryotic smears, colposcopy and loop diathermy that if only she had been born in England she would have escaped all of that and ended up at 25 with an intact cervix. With the relentless pressure on NHS finance, why on earth are thousands being wasted inflicting damage on young women under the age of 25?" Rapid Response by Dr Colin P O'Mahony, Consultant in sexual health and HIV, 1 September, 2010 to "Cervical screening: a smear campaign" by Des Spence, BMJ, 28/10/2010.
Yet this is exactly what we continue to do here in Australia and to top it off, we use them to do some research into the effectiveness of Gardasil.
Mary, I'd like that clown to start chasing us, an informed woman would stop him in his tracks, these "doctors" go for the easy targets...the trusting, shy, vulnerable, very young etc
It's confronting to read comments that make clear how callous some doctors are...$$$ in return for manipulating and harming their trusting patients.
I'd love to draft a brochure, but the screening zealots would not approve of my approach, following the evidence and respecting women to make up their own minds....what?
Sue, re: #9578: LOVED your website; didn't know if my links would go through. Let me tell you how hard it initially was to even FIND any online places; back when I read that Glamor magazine article in mid-2000.
The lists were always locked up; you had to PAY to subscribe to lists; I paid more than $200.00 to access links and it was money well-spent. Some places fell by the wayside; I could only repeatedly order from that MedsMex website, which is easily still found. No matter WHAT I DID, every single link met up with a pay-to-view service; I spent plenty but have been period-free ever since. I didn't care WHAT it cost; those pills were ALWAYS withheld from me because I refused to submit to the doctors' perverted exams back to when I was ELEVEN they wanted to poke around my genitals. I will turn 46 on March 25th and am grateful I stuck to my guns and never was forced into unnecessary testing.
NOW I can look up ethinyl estradiol and come up with links, but a lot are for Canadian websites which claim they sell to U.S. residents but apparently don't. I had tremendous success with that one which claims it's based in Europe, but my pills recently arrived from New Zealand. I don't care if they show up from The Moon! I have 130 packs to go to hoard until Menopause and just found out yesterday that I am getting back just over $3000.00 as my tax refund after having so much withheld last year. At least $500.00 will go toward purchasing the remaining pills I need so I am set. However, I will NEVER stop researching and posting more websites for women to buy pills. This madness is horrendous. They only care about the money and their perverted jollies. NOBODY will EVER convince me, otherwise.
Torrance, way back in 2000 when my last pill presciption ran out, I tried to find online sources for them so I could continue on it without seeing a doctor, but came up short. I never went back on it and am now at the stage of life where I don't need them anymore. Even back then I noticed there were plenty of places online for men to buy Viagra. I'm glad you are able to find online sources for BCPs and that you are sharing this info with other women. You are right, this madness is horrendous! I have always thought it extremely hypocritical that so called women's "healthcare professionals" create this barrier to contraceptives. How dare they!
Its ther way of controling woman and forceing woman to get paps. they dont know what rape is. its so sexist.
I come here to comment as a Gynecologist of 47 years operating in the US. During my time I've saved countless lives by ensuring that women do testing necessary for their health.
I think the facts that cervical cancer deaths have fallen 70% during my tenure speak for themselves. It's a good thing you have men to make the hard choices like this for you, they go out in the world and make decisions that save lives not get hysterical and go vent online for nearly 10,000 comments on an article.
Speaking of sexist, if the world is so slanted against women I wonder why it's become illegal to charge differing rates for social and health insurance where it benefits women, but where it would benefit men in life and car insurance to combine rates it's still legal to charge men more. Convenient that women cost the health system significantly more than men, as long as we're subsidizing your doctor visits we get input into saving your life (don't flatter yourself, it's not because we want to get anywhere near your smelly snatches)
I urge you all to please, stop this hysterical femininst pity party and go get yourself checked out. It could save your life!
You're not a gynecologist. Stop trolling.
As for your "women cost the health system significantly more than men", in case you haven't realized, let me point out the bleeding obvious- women have babies-so DUH of course they cost the health system more than men. I had to point this out to a "gynecolgist" with 47 years experience. A bit thick are we ?
And who benefits from women having babies ?Society.
As for the other costs, don't blame women for going for yearly well woman exams when we're forced to to get the pill.
If you've been practising for 47 years then you would be about in your early seventies. I don't think the word "snatch" is in the lexicon of a man of your age,let alone a gynecologist.So when you're trying to impersonate someone get the language right. For the record it's called vagina.
I'm just trying to connect with the younger generation using language they can understand. Look, I'm not going to apologize for the thousands of women each year who avoid an agonizing death from cervical cancer thanks to the screening programs we now offer. This idea that I got into gynecology at the prospect of vulgar thrills cheapens my life's work, this is about helping women the best way I know how.
If babies are so beneficial to society, why are women desperately seeking to horde a lifetime supplies of the pill. Women, especially educated ones, are choosing selfishness over childbearing "for the benefit of society" at a rate that will cause the collapse of first world nations (barring sufficient third world immigration). You, individually, are choosing selfish devotion to your vagina over the lives of thousands of people.
Obviously, I've never prescribed Viagra, but if holding back meant saving lives I'd do it in a heartbeat.
If you have a change of heart Mary, come back to me. I can put you in touch with someone who will be very gentle or I can do it myself. It's OK if you want to risk your own life, but please don't poison the minds of these young women and gamble with theirs. Let me know if you need my contact information.
Mary, you can also just search online and call the office if you need to.
Do you find it interesting that some hunters come out of hiding only when feeling threatened? Buying birth control online, for example. Or posts that reveal "what doctors don't want you to know . . ."
Interesting too that women can be blamed for costing the system money. If women and their healthy reproductive organs were left alone they would not cost the system extra money. However, when deceived and fearful due to carefully conceived scare tactics, they can keep a system up and running - generating billions of dollars in income to fill medical pockets.
wtf "smelly snatches" If you are a gyn that is very childish and unprofestional of you. Do you have prof that these woman you have saved had real cancer or just a false positve? men can get cancer too my question why do doctors push screening on woman and respect mens choise to refuse there screening? No prostate exam no viagra? hmmm
If or when birth control goes over the counter, geting birth control with out invasive unrelated exams will not be a issue any more.
Your misogynistic comments are not winning you any point’s here Doug.
“It's a good thing you have men to make the hard choices like this for you”. That’s right I forgot, we’re women we can’t possibly think for our selves!
“Smelly snatches” is offensive language by most people’s standards and you’d make little progress in connecting you to a younger generation of women let alone your patients.
So we’re having a “hysterical feminist pity party” are we? I guess you missed the bits where we seem to be substantiating our opinions on current and relevant peer reviewed data.
“Women, especially educated ones, are choosing selfishness over childbearing.”
Wow that’s a loaded one, so it’s selfish for a woman to choose what to do with her own body? Maybe we should just give into our biological imperative and become breeding stock so OECD capitalist nations don’t disappear up their white privileged assholes!
“If you have a change of heart Mary, come back to me. I can put you in touch with someone who will be very gentle or I can do it myself.”
Very creepy! Stick to the debate Doug, please don’t offer to examine your opponents gentiles, that’s really is disturbing.
Doug your hateful language will more than likely scare off any potential happy pap-ers than any of us.
I wonder if the pap smear for birth control was made to punish or turn woman off of using birth control. or is it a way to keep woman pregnant because its selfish not to have babys? that is sexist. to tell woman they have "cancer" when they dont and mutilate there cervix is sick and barberic.
Judy, I also never continued on taking birth control pills due to the pelvic exam requirement.
"I have always thought it extremely hypocritical that so called women's "healthcare professionals" create this barrier to contraceptives. How dare they!"
Very good points Judy! With birth control pills available on line women are able to have more control over what is done/not done to their own bodies. It adds another option, whereas before the only options available were to undergo a pelvic exam or to not take the pill. I chose the latter, as you did.
This Doug Hunter is just another troll.
However, if by any chance he isn't a troll, he is a perfect proof why any sane self-respecting woman should avoid gynecologists at all costs!
All this Doug-Hunter-gynecologist-with-47-years-of-experience wants is to stick to the old spin about 70% reduction in cervical cancer, ignore informed consent, and have a total control over women's bodies and lives. He is furious about the choice of some women not to become a breeding stock and take birth control instead. He wants women to have invasive pelvic exams and harmful pap smears at his first command, he wants them to have as many children as they could bear -- otherwise, they will never outbread the third world, -- but he also wants women's health care to cost as much as men's! He claims to have spent decades "saving lives", but if fact he is just another male that has problems with strong independent women who can think for themselves. Would you like to see a doctor like that?
I'm not going to engage the troll/gyn anymore because these men don't realise that they are irrelevant and redundant.
And, "women desperately seeking to horde a lifetime supplies of the pill" only because the pill is locked behind the doctors like Doug Hunter pretends to be, and because there are better things one can do with their life than trying to outbreed the "third world" to keep Doug Hunter a first world company.
The planet is overpopulated, and if Doug Hunter was really so concerned about "the lives of thousands of people", he should have been striving for the availability of contraceptives, not for locking them behind the medical rape ... sorry, behind the necessary life-saving exams and tests.
Mary, it's a very wise decision and I should follow you. I've got carried away a bit :)
I think it's the article you posted that became the troll bait. They seem to appear every time someone reveals some what-doctors-don't-want-you-to-know information. Which only proves that we have a good reason to be here in this blog.
I notice "The Conversation" has another article on raising the screening age to age 25. I wonder how much longer we'll talk about it, rather than DO something...waiting for the current review means harming huge numbers...when are changes likely when the Report isn't even due until 2014? 2015, 2016...
I think some gyns want woman to get pregnant esp in the US were they get paid for all the over the top pre natal exams and test. its about old ideas about woman bodys and money.
Oh Dougie, you are the perfect advertisment for everything we have talked about on this blog. If on the off chance you are not some random troll, you may like to trot yourself back off to med school to brush up on the new recommendations, and get yourself ready to deal with the fact that the women on this blog might actually know what they are talking about.
So perhaps take your smelly, wrinkled ball sack, and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. Maybe learn how to be a professional who puts his patients first, and not what HE thinks should be done while you are at it.
An online search reveals no OBGYN by the name of Doug or Douglas Hunter in the USA. The only Dr. by that name is a family practitioner in Ohio who only has 29 years' experience, not 47 as this internet troll has stated on here. Also, no legitimate, professional physician would use such filthy language as this person has. If any of the site administrators are reading this, please do whatever you can to block this person.
Ladies, we're never going to get our point across by behaving as savagely as those "doctors" and scared women. We are better than them in every way. We bring/have evidence that prove their words are nothing but lies. We tear down their wall of lies, we beat them at their own game. THAT'S why they become hostile. Amazing what proof of their lies makes them do, huh? It's all about power and money.
Oh, and believe it or not, doctors do say things like "smelly snatch". We usually just don't hear it. The last time I saw my backup OB, I overheard him telling a patient on the phone she wouldn't have lost her kid if she hadn't been "slutting every cock in view". My doctor has been an OBGYN for 40 years. He even had the nerve to tell my partner of 5 years that the baby I was carrying wasn't his because of my age (baby was born the day after my 23rd birthday)! Right in front of me!
Excellent (yet disturbing) link and comments Mary and Elizabeth.
OIA - that is so disgusting, yet sadly not surprising.
And yes, I have nothing left to say to good old Dougy the troll either. Good point Mary and Alice.
Sue, I just tried posting to your website, twice, and received an error message both times.
Literally choked on my croissant reading Doug's nasty comments and all of your hysterical, EXACT follow-ups. I am oddly proud that he was indirectly quoting ME as saving up a lifetime of birth control pills; I am extremely triumphant I've been able to bypass "doctors" and do precisely that! Found some more websites yesterday and tried to post them to Sue's website just now; will try again later.
Torrance, I don't know why you would be getting an error message. I've checked my settings and everything looks okay. The only thing I could think of was that WP, the meta site, might think you are a spammer and be blocking you. If that's the case then I don't think there is anything I can do about it, so you might have to post under a different name, like Torrance2 or something. It's worth a try. I'll check things on my end again. I'll be away for a while too, but will check in again later.
Jacqui, that comment about the smelly wrinkled ball sack had me doubled over.
Sue, I tried again, adding onto my name, and it still won't work.
There is a Richard Douglas Hunter who is a Gynecologist in CA with a listed graduation date of 1965. It's got to be a coincidence though, doesn't it? A professional wouldn't use terms like 'smelly snatches'.
Torrance, this sucks! WP must have your IP address/name set to be blocked. If so, then the only way to be able to post would be to use a different computer. Normally comments with two or more links get placed in the spam section, but the fact your comments get an error message means they aren't even getting into the spam section.
If you had access to another computer with a different IP address that would work. I will keep working on it in the meantime. We will be able to figure something out.
Torrance, I just found and changed something in my settings that might work to allow your comment to at least make it into the spam section. Maybe too it has to do with the number of links you have. I don't know how it works from WP meta settings but I do know they have something called Askimet that blocks spam for all their bloggers. I have some control over my blog settings but I don't have any control over the WP meta settings. But I did what I could and if you wanted to try once more it might work for you now.
Okay I've been working on this for a while now Torrance and am no further ahead. I'm not sure if it will work or not. I think you've already done more than enough though, you have found so many great sites. I am impressed you were able to find your way around the system back when it was near impossible to do so, and am happy to be able to help share your knowledge on the subject. Posting it has given the subject a bit of extra Google juice floating out there in cyberspace - a life raft for women who might be drowning in a sea of speculums. And until we are able to sort out the blocking dilemma if you want you could post the addresses of any extra sites here and I could copy and paste into the list you already created.
Glad you liked it Sue. Torrance, you are a gold mine of info for stuff like this!
Elizabeth, you should write a brochure on here so we can copy it, paste it, print it and then letter bomb our doctors surgeries (and anywhere else we can think of) with it. I reckon I could smuggle them into the health department of my work's head office, as well as my doctors surgery!
doug you are not actually very good at what you are trying to do. Maybe you are a woman who knows? On the off chance you actually are a quack all i can say is you give proof to all that is said here. What ever gender you are a truly sad person.
Sarah P there is a possibility that he is setting the real doctor Hunter up? But no real doctor would use that term even if they were thinking it. They could lose their license at the very least. This guy has issues abt screening but also birth control. Anyway it is too late. We lost all and any chance to outbreed the 3rd world when we turned North up into the caucasus!
Sue, I will try again. Thanks for all you're doing. I came up with another 7 or 8 websites. I have some on my Yahoo e-mail drafts, too, so let's see what I compile.
Graeme, I was so looking forward to your input on that Doug Hunter character. If he is a gynecologist, which many are misogynists and hate women and think we are all disgusting, diseased creatures, then he has shown his true colors. However, I wonder if this forum's owner, Mr. Christopher Rose, can discern if Doug Hunter and all the other trolls share the same IP address?
Still won't let me post, Sue. I have no other access to a computer; just here at work. I will post the links and hope you get them before they are deleted. Wish I had an e-mail address to send them to you directly.
Look for contraceptives on there
Really good website:
Expensive but at least an alternative:
Sue, it won't allow me to post the links here, either. Do you have an e-mail address posted on your website? I haven't seen one.
Torrance, your comment with all the pharmacy links in got caught by the automatic spam traps - presumably because 99.99% of pharmacy link containing comments are spam - but I have liberated it for you.
I was reading an article recently about how many online pharmacy sites are actually scams that either sell fake, potentially dangerous, drugs or harvest credit card details for purposes of theft.
Are you certain all the sites you listed are good and safe?
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Mr. Rose, thanks for posting my list until Sue sees it and can transfer it to her own website. I GREATLY appreciate your prompt and kind assistance.
U.S. bureaucrats says all sorts of things, but I have had absolutely NO troubles whatsoever ordering from those websites and we're talking more than a dozen years now. I've also successfully ordered cholesterol and antibiotics medicines for myself and for my mother and everything was fine. They don't want people bypassing their highly paid U.S. doctors, so they claim they are fake websites, fake medicines, etc. I don't mean to be gross, but I can only plainly and bluntly state that I KNOW I must be taking legitimate birth control pills, otherwise I'd still be bleeding nonstop. They've also successfully cured my lifelong Migraine headaches by a good 85%-95%. I used to have daily headaches of all sorts; not just Migraines. Now, after twelve years of taking these overseas birth control pills, I have only a minor, dull ache which is far more manageable than the CHRONIC and debilitating pain I was in, causing me to miss countless days of school. When I became immersed in the workforce from 1986 onward, I hardly could take time off for the endless pain I was in; to this day, no matter which job I've ever had, if I don't work, I do not get paid. Doctors NEVER prescribed ANYTHING for my headaches; they told me to take Tylenol, which is a complete placebo and in order to have any medicines dispensed to me at school, by the school nurses, I was forced to obtain prescriptions for children's baby aspirin (most schools now have no-drugs policies, but they were in effect back in the mid-1970s, too.). Only one time was I ever prescribed Cafergot, which is simply a caffeine pill; a cup of coffee is what I now use if headache pains get severe, but again, thank Heavens, they do not occur frequently. I recently ordered from one website which claimed it was based in Europe, but the birth control pills arrived, I think not even a week later (last month), from New Zealand. They are fine and real and I am immeasurably grateful. That is why I am always scouting out additional websites. As I've stated here in your forum, once I receive my tax refund, I am set to buy the remaining packs of birth control pills I need to last me through Menopause, but I will forever look for websites if my efforts help even one woman to bypass the oftentimes unruly, unyielding, foreboding doctors. These pills are virtually harmless; many over-the-counter medicines can be overdosed on * not birth control pills. Yes, if a woman has high blood pressure, she can have risks taking birth control pills, but anybody can have allergic reactions to ANYTHING they ingest, including food. These pills should be available over-the-counter, as they are in Mexico and Thailand and India. The United States holds every prescription hostage; if someone's been on cholesterol maintenance medicines and will have to be on them for the foreseeable future, why on Earth is a doctor's costly visit a requirement? Why can't a doctor simply call in the necessary prescription/s? People oftentimes are elderly or have no means to have transportation to see a doctor just to receive a prescription they've taken for years. That is why so many people of both genders and all ages are fed up with their doctors and are able to locate safe sources, online, to purchase their medications. It's not something many people are willing to tolerate any longer. Honestly, until the year 2000, and July at that, I NEVER knew such websites existed, but when I found out they did, it was like I was on a mission to find reliable resources. Not only have I received every order I've ever paid for, in the MedsMex case, I ordered from them many times and they DOUBLED my order EVERY SINGLE TIME for free. How could I argue with that? Not only has every order arrived promptly, I also have heard absolutely no stories of others having troubles receiving their orders. The U.S. has gotten a lot of Canadian websites to not sell to U.S. residents, but I originally did order from three Canadian websites and received my pills promptly without any hassles. I loved my Thai source, but their website is still down; the web host claims the owner has not renewed it. They had deals on their pills which I took full advantage of: Buy 9 packs, receive 3 packs for free. They also always sent me a Christmas card. I don't know ANYBODY in The U.S.A. who has ever gotten free full prescriptions let alone a Christmas card from their doctor/s. Sure, if you BEG THEM, they MIGHT give you a SAMPLE; not a full prescription. That Thai source gave three MONTHS free for every nine months worth of birth control pills I bought. I'd buy 36 packs just to get the 12 free packs and I was thrilled.
My hearet breaks for Dr Nikita Levy's patients, but hopefully it will spur some of them to research online, including this blog.
Quote from article:
""I just can't believe it," said patient Tracy Williams. "What was he doing with the pictures and video?"
Is she serious? Are some women that clueless?
"That's a big unknown. Some gynecology fetish porn claims to feature videos by real doctors."
"Dr. Levy was the sweetest person. This is all- this is just shocking," patient Jessica Wims said."
Quote from "your name here"
"My doctor is a very kind man."
See the same trusting, naivete?
Of course they're going to be nice to you. They want as many victims as possible.
Christopher Rose, thank you for posting the links! I have copied and pasted them now. Torrance thank you, they have been added to your list. I wasn't able to access the last link on your list, all the rest worked perfectly. Torrance, have you tried posting a comment without any links?
Elizabeth, I had lost sight of your previous post about the BMJ comments (due to the hunter's visit), but they were so revealing re: what is going on behind closed doors.
Anon and Ken, good finds!
Very disturbing report from CNN.
Torrance, thank you very much for the links! I can only imagine how many women they will be of a great help.
You must be one of the most experienced people in stock-piling birth control pills on the planet, and because of that I'd like to ask you a question.
You said you've got 130 packs or so. If the pills are taken 1 pack per month, that means over 10 years of supplies. Do the pills last that long? I mean, don't they expire sooner? Or is the expiration date there just for legal reasons, and pills will still work way beyond the expiration date?
I am asking because I always keep 1 pack of BCP for emergency contraception. I have never taken it in my life, but I like to be prepared, just in case. I know that I can get an emergency pill in Australia, and since 2004 Australian women can get emergency contraception pill without seeing a doctor and without any prescription. But that means giving my name and address to the chemist (and I would hate the government to poke their nose into such private matter), and then one can never be sure that the next government won't change the legislation again (there is a high chance that our next government will be led by a conservative, anti-abortion, anti-women's-choice prime minister). Plus, all my friends who did take the emergency step in the past said that they tolerated Yuzpe Regimen with pills like Marvelon much better than the 1-pill medicine you get this days in Australian chemists.
Anyway, I have been buying a pack of Marvelon over the counter whenever I visited Eastern Europe. According the expire date on the packs, the pills usually last 2-3 years, and then I happen to travel again and buy a new one. Now my current pack expires next month. When I was traveling a few months ago, I simply forgot to buy a new pack. Then I noticed that you were stock-piling your pills for 10 years in advance, and wondered if the pack I have is gong to be good for a few more years.