yes, you are correct... telling a lie doesn't make him a killer... you ask if I had a night I on the beach would I tell my parents all the details? NO!!! but if the person I was with on the beach was not from my town or country and was missing as of the night I was with that person I certainly wouldn't lie about WHERE we were, WHO all was in the car, WHO took us there, WHO picked us up, WHAT TIME someone picked me up, and I wouldn't tell the police that I dropped that person off somewhere if I didn't and I certainly WOULD NOT ACCUSE 2 INNOCENT MEN OF HAVING DONE SOMETHING TO THAT PERSON!!!!!!!!
So, no... his lying doens't make him a liar - it just makes him guilty as hell!!!!
and by the way, my last comment that you responded to has NO ACCUSATION OF HIM BEING A KILLER - only a liar and someone that cannot be trusted.. so you should get YOUR facts strait. My statement WAS based on facts because all I did was say that he admitted to lying and that I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth!!! How is that wrong and how is that accusing him of murder?? CHILL!!!
M
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tom
Mar 04, 2006 at 9:37 am
oooohhh seems your a bit over sensitive monique...you'll feel so dumb when the truth comes out
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Monique
Mar 06, 2006 at 10:29 am
Whatever, dude!!!
Why will I feel dumb? Dumb for thinking that this guy is a liar and that he knows more than he states he knows?? He IS involved - we just don't know how - YET... and I'm sure I won't ever regret saying that...
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tom
Mar 07, 2006 at 5:59 pm
still missing the facts monique...come on you can do better than this...
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KATHY TRUSTY
Mar 08, 2006 at 3:27 pm
TOM
Well Tom, since you seem to know ALL OF THE FACTS, why don't you just SPELL IT OUT for Monique. It is quite evident that you know more than she does, or so you imply, so come on tell us all the details of the facts you have.
I am interested in what data and facts you have to offer, since you feel you know more than she does.
Come on clue us all in on the gory details.
K
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Monique
Mar 09, 2006 at 5:03 pm
Hello, Kathy.. it's been a while...
Did you watch the Greta interviews and or the ABC interview? I'm curious as to what you think now? But be careful not to sound too suspicious of Joran, Tom might just bite your head off!!
It's funny to me how people go into blogs and criticize others for having an opinion - when that's the whole point of having a blog!!!!! I'm not saying he killed the girl - I may think it or may have thought it more than I do now... that's not the point... If I come into this blog and there is a place for me to add my comments then I should be able to do that without being picked on by the likes of people like Tom. Disagree with me... state your side... and then move on... let's discuss... but to sit there and attack me and then respond with silly one-liners is soooo infantile!!
LET'S HAVE SOME INTELLIGENT DISAGREEMENTS AND OPINIONS!!!!! THIS ISN'T MIDDLE SCHOOL, IS IT??
Monique
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KATHY TRUSTY
Mar 10, 2006 at 5:01 pm
Hey Monique,
No I haven't watched the Greta interview or the ABC interview, but I read the interview on ABC’s website.
It appears to me that Joran is just plain and simple an out and out liar. His tendency seems to be...Oh don't pick on me or blame me because I lied and leave Aruba alone...yet he has brought this suspicion on himself by lying from the beginning and blaming Natalee for being with him on the night in question.
He has definitely left himself in the shadow of doubt whether he is innocent or not. It’s apparent to me that he and his father know more than they let on; therefore we may never know the whole truth of the story of what happened to Natalee. All I have to say is that the whole ordeal has raised a lot of unanswered questions, which will probably haunt this case for years to come.
I am not for sure if Joran is guilty or not but as my grandmother use to say…a hit dog barks…which means to me a guilty person always tells untruths about what they did as they try to blame it on anyone else they can.
Look at the very beginning of this whole ordeal and the two security guards were arrested and then released later, just because these boys thought if they pinned it on these to other guys they would have gotten away with what ever may had happened; however there lies came back to them and bit them in the ass.
Here lately I have been watching other missing persons and murder cases where the people who knew these missing people were questioned at the beginning by law enforcement agencies…told their story to the news media…and the months roll by…then murdered bodies of these missing people are found…and lo and behold it turns out the people who were interviewed had lied…now they await their fate in a court of law.
These people all had one thing in common…THEY WERE LIARS!!! But hey, who am I to judge them?
It’s just my opinion that the truth will always out weigh a lie, as a lie will often lead to more lies that tends to weave itself with small bits of truth, that eventually leads (with good investigation) to what actually happened to the victim of whatever crime occurred.
Have a good weekend and keep me posted.
Kathy:)
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Monique
Mar 10, 2006 at 10:06 pm
Joran was seeking for the courts in Aruba (Netherlands) to "release him from suspicion from this case" and the judge denied it...
Just FYI
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KATHY TRUSTY
Mar 13, 2006 at 8:58 am
Morning Monique,
Hey thanks for the info.
It tells me one thing for sure the courts have either finally wizened up or they have had the suspension from the beginning but have been pending further investigation, while waiting for Joran to screw up along the way. This makes perfect sense to me since throughout history it has been proven time and time again that if you give a criminal enough rope to hang themselves they generally will.
Remember the old saying patience is a virtue…well the court of Aruba is playing a waiting game and as time ticks by they will eventually find out what happened in this case. Somebody that knows something, about what happened to Natalee, will come forward and tell what they know or whoever did something to Natalee (whether it is Joran or not) will trip up and be caught as time ticks on.
Kathy
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Monique
Mar 20, 2006 at 11:20 pm
Is anyone out there.....?
Can anyone hear me......?
Allright then... I'm not gonna delete this site from my favorites list cuz I know that at some point you guys are gonna return... Come On!!! I know this story has lost some luster, but it'll come back... I'll check back in a few .. or sooner if there is news out of Aruba...
Take care Kathy... and Althor.. wherever you are!!!
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KATHY TRUSTY
Mar 21, 2006 at 12:33 pm
Hello Monique,
Well I saw on Rita Cosby Live and Direct that the Kalpoe’s attorney said that the DA in Aruba may be charging his clients as well as Joran Van Der Sloot with murder and should go to court sometime in June or July.
Some of the people on the panel of Rita Cosby Live and Direct that she interviewed, including John Q. Kelly, Beth Twitty's attorney, thought that the Aruban authorities are just trying to get this out of the media by forging forward with a trial because it is hurting their tourist economy and that this is not the way to go about handling this case.
The panel all felt like the Aruban authorities just want to sweep this under the rug and go on with life as usual on the island, which is not solving anything. Beth Twitty said all she wants is to know what happened to her daughter.
It was also mentioned that Joran’s attorney stated that Joran wants to meet with Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty, as well as their attorney to tell them face to face what happen the night of May 29, 2005, but a date has not been set as of yet.
Well this is all I know for now, so let me know if you heard anything new or different.
Kathy :)
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Monique
Mar 24, 2006 at 11:53 pm
Hey, Kathy!!
Tomorrow night - Saturday - try to watch 48 HOURS on CBS.. the lead investigator is going to give an interview!! He's supposed to say that he thinks she O.D.'d and the 3 suspects panicked and burried her... and then went back and burried her somewhere else. He also states that he thinks that Joran's dad knows more than he lets on... so who knows!!! Oh, and that the 3 suspects probably had others helping.. maybe up to 6 people total involved... how can he know this for sure??????? very very interesting, though..... I had no idea about the Rita Cosby show... I wish I had seen it.... all this new info and possibilities is leading me to believe this will finally get solved one way or another... I wish one of the suspects would crack and just tell us the truth for once....
Keep me posted and I'll do the same!!!!
Take care!
Monique
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KATHY TRUSTY
Mar 29, 2006 at 10:08 am
Hello Monique,
I missed 48 HOURS on CBS, this past Saturday, but thanks for the info.
Yeah it seems pretty ironic that the news media was attacking Joran and the Kalpoe brothers for blaming the victim, Natalee, in what ever happened to her, but now the news media is doing the same thing. Bizarre.
Update March 30. 2006:
Dutch officials with ground radar and cadaver dogs have arrived in Aruba to re-search the beach near the hotel where Natalee and her friends stayed. They will also search the sand dunes and the area aroung the lighthouse at the northern tip of the island.
Dutch TV will air a show recreating Natalee's time on Aruba, with a special focus on her last day and night, on Aruba and the Netherlands in the hopes that the show will trigger memories or other witnesses, such as the cab driver who recently came forward with information about burial spots.
Joran Van der Sloot repeatedly denied any wrong doing or knowledge of what happened to Natalee after he left her on the beach. In fact, he blamed everyone but himself for any involvement.
Dompig says, "he believes Paulus van der Sloot does know more than he has been telling about the circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance."
Also, on the latest developments, the new witness, the chance of an accidental death by overdose, and the possibility of additional accomplices re-locating the body, have changed Dompig’s view of the case.
Dompig is optimistic that answers will be found. "We are that much closer to knowing what really happened to Natalee," he says. "A crime like this cannot go unsolved."
Kathy
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KATHY TRUSTY
Apr 04, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Alhor,
Where are you? We haven't heard from you since January 26th.
BIRMINGHAM -- Aruba's lead investigator in the search for Natalee Holloway has been taken off the case.
Dave Holloway said he believes Dompig might have tried to protect someone.
"I think it's been his actions. Even from the beginning, they've been, you know, just awkward. He was the one who refused to allow the FBI on the island, you know. Just some of his characteristics, if he's involved in what I feel like is a cover-up and, you know, maybe he was trying to help someone else out. I'm not sure, but there's something strange going on there, maybe some others who are involved in it," Dave Holloway said.
Kathy
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KATHY TRUSTY
Apr 06, 2006 at 3:08 pm
Also read this article about Dompig's replacement:
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PHI
Apr 14, 2006 at 4:08 pm
I'm not surprised by Althors approach to Natalie and her conduct. He's right I agree she would have been far less vunerable had she not gone to Aruba. Had she not gotten "intoxicated" and stayed close to her chaperones. Shame on that girls parents for not raising her to be fearfull, cynical and god forbid pretty on top of it all. Shame on her parents for demanding justice, shame on them for not letting Aruba turn her into just another young tourist whore who got drunk and wanted a gang bang. Shame on them for subjecting themselves to the judgement of the world and trying to find answers in a difficult situation. They are doing what a parent does. Is it there fault the media finds the story news worthy ? Is it there fault that others go missing everyday ? Is it there fault they have the resources to keep her story out there and offer a reward ?
Let's pretend Natalie is what her family says she is. A girl in band, with pretty blue eyes, who wants to be a doctor and is looking forward to her graduation trip. She been raised by loving granted divorced parents but it is possible a parent knows thier child. Instead we assume the worst about Natalie and give the benefit of the doubt to Joran. She wouldn't be dead if she hadn't gotten in the car for that gang bang. Does anyone think they said "hey Natalie lets have a gang bang", of course not.
What very possiblibly happened and allthough a court won't here because is circumstancal is administered a date rape drug. Then engaging in sex with her which they've admitted having while she was in and out of conscieness she either died from complications with the drug or with deviant sex strangulation. They paniced hid the body, denied knowing Natalie, blamed security gaurds, told 14 different stories, blamed eachother and then clammed up after a visit from the father.
There is more evidence to support that then theorys that she ran away or is in the sex trade. There is an established pattern of lying, a reputation of preying on tourists and of administering a date rape drugs to girls/women. What we have is a missing girl and three suspects who attempted to frame two others and then have repeatedly lied. It's called a pattern of guilt. What pisses most people off is Natalie doesn't have an established pattern of being a drunken whore who seeks out gang bangs in forgion countries. If she did it would have been discovered by now what we do have is a suspect with a reputation and he's admitted lying. He's got 9 laywers to defend him I don't see him as a victem in this case.
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forgive my grammer
Apr 15, 2006 at 4:19 am
You've all made some informative and intelligent posts regarding this tragic situation. There are numerous threads running through this situation possible goverment corruption, a young attractive American tourist, an outspoken family and the social ideas that govern our ideas of morality. My thoughts, there is a growing resentment internationally toward Americans the rich and pretty ones espicially. I believe that while Aruba relies on American tourist dollars to survive they also on the working mans level resent that dependence. They watch tourists come spending money on things they cannot afford. They are also occupied in essance by a forgion goverment which always creates an fertile soil for corruption, look at Guam. It was into this culture a young, sheltered girl from Alabama stumbled and may have made what we consider questionable choices. Now that girl has become fodder of the press and a bullseye for those who would argue her charector is questionable as a defense for a crime commited against her. I'm not sure when being young and stupid in a forgion country became a crime ? I'm not even sure she is guilty of this charetor flaw. I have to wonder if Natalie ended up missing in a country with a preset mindset about tourists and entitled Americans specifically.
When her family sought help from the police they were asked "how much money do you have" a clear indication of low level police corruption. The idea was put forth from the start that Natalie had just run off with one of the local boys and would return when she sobered up. Does this happen ? I'm sure it does but if you work in law enforcement you learn to weed through the stories and consider the possibility this case is different. He's then told to go down to Carlo's and Charlie's for a beer, assured she would show up and sent on his way. Here he meets the local drug culture is enlightened as to the rules that apply there with the drug trade regarding tourist and offered everything and anything. All of this while watching the local boys swarm on the young female tourists. The last time I read a bochure for vacationing in Aruba it didn't say anything about my daughters being the target of predatory locals looking for a good time. Another little known fact is the use of the date rape drug is a common occurance in this Aruban hot spot. As a matter of fact before this incident Aruban officials boasted a clean record in regards to this and used that very same fact as a disclaimer for incomptance by ignorance with this type of thing. All this while refusing to allow the FBI into the investigation early on and to this day.
When Joran Vandersloot is connected to the crime he first denies knowing Natalie then begins weaving together inconsistant stories that only get worse after his arrest. Admissions of consentual sex are made which may have happened but they don't explain this missing girl. He claims he dropped her back at the motel after showing her the lighthouse and two security gaurds were escorted her safely back to her motel. These two security gaurds are arrested, were told they'd been fired perviously from the motel and if so why were they there and escorting this girl to her room ? If looks very suspicious but then their motives check out and back to Joran the trail leads for two reasons there is no film of Natalie being dropped off back at the motel and the former security gaurds have solid alibies. On the other hand Jorans' alibi is riddled with inconsistancies and suspected untruths. The ace he's holding he's a the son of a Dutchman who is in training to be a judge and Aruba is under Dutch rule.
I'd speculate the arrest of Joran was an effort on Aruban officials part to make this right but pressure from political lobbies hindered that process. From then on it's been smoke and mirrors with two lead investigators being removed one with retirement the other with termination. The removal of Dompeg can be an indication of inner political turmoil. His comments in the press and his drug addicted brother in law coming foward claiming Natalie purchased drugs from him did not help the situation. That and the fact Bodie is a completely uncredible witness. They've only added more credibility to the aruguement that there is something amiss within this investigation on the part of Aruban officials. The Prime Time interview Dompeg did was the nail in his coffin accusing Natilie of dying due to complications of a drug overdose, implying her body was baried somewhere, we have to ask. Then who baried it ? Back to Joran and the Calpoe brothers we go the last known people to have seen Natalie alive. It's routine investigation, simple.
When we get back there we find Joran has lied to police several times while in custody. The Calpoe brothers and him thinly implicating eachother which tells me they were all involved on some level. They each have something on the other and neither wants to own up to it. Armed with the legal knowlodge of their father who knows the Dutch and the Aruban legal system, they could get away with it. That's the biggest tragedy in the case so far is the trail of evidence is compromised at best compliments of the Aruban police.
The last few hours of this young womans life we can only speculate on but we have some facts to go on. In that Prime Time interview Dompeg was saying "she's dead, she died of a drug overdose". The implication that she may have been another of those "whorish American tourists" who's money were glad to take but who'll we will deny a fairly competent investigation to if they are victimized qualified with "how much money do you have".
I'm waiting for the shady American guys to come foward and say "Natalie loved kinky sex with mulitple guys and she used drug enhancements". They've not come forward and most likely because they don't exisit. If they did I'm sure one of those people commited to making Natalie look like the perpertrator of her own demise would have found them. The idea Beth can control what her friends say is rubbish and they've openly addmitted she was drinking and lots but that isn't the point. The point is you have a missing girl, who was last seen with a young man who's been accused of feeding off tourists and administering a date rape drug to minors. You have a suspect with questionable charector and yet what Natalie was wearing, the drugs she took and how drunk she may have been becomes a topic for debate. We have a suspect with 9 laywers, accusers coming forward, a pattern of deception, alibies that can't be verified, a father with politcal power and this girls charector is the only one challenged.
You wonder why this story stays with us ? It appeals on many levals, to the mothers, fathers, legal experts, single women who travel abroad and those people with a sense of decency. You can follow other stories if this one offends your sense of media integity so deeply. You can't change what the media deems important by insulting the victem of a media story you don't like. Yes children starve in other countries but am I gonna stop eating when i'm full even if there is more on my plate ? Yes !
The bottom line even if Natalie consented to sex, kinky sex she didn't consent to someone leaving her to die somewhere. If she used drugs thats not consent to bary her body somewhere to cover the fact that you were engaged in intercourse while she faded in and out of conscienceness. Being drunk is not consent and those who think it is pratice a form of predatory behavior that implies entitlement putting every woman at risk and assuming any woman dumb enough to accept a drink laced is consenting. We can be sure of this she didn't say "hey why don't all you guys fuck me watch me die of an overdose and then bary me". That leaves us with one of two scenerios, after all this she's gonna walk back into her families life or she's dead. All the facts point to her being dead, there isn't a shred of solid evidence to imply she fits the definiation of "cracked out American whore" not a shred. On the other side there is evidence to imply that Joran and the Calpoes' know something or they had something to do with it and Aruba is having a inner struggle over owning that fact.
I think that all of you guys who do not want to listen to her story anymore should watch something else. If you ask me I think that it is important to the Family of Natalee to try to find their kid alive. To the people who are saying that it doesn't matter, try thinking about your kids, or family members. If they where to go missing I hope you would do anything to get them back alive. So give the Holloway family the respect that you would want to get if you were in their shoes.
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KATHY TRUSTY
Apr 21, 2006 at 10:25 am
To Kevin Holloway, if that is your real name? Quote: "Bad things hapen to bad people."
Well you are wrong. Bad things often happen to good people. Basically because good people are often naive to the fact that there are bad people in this world, plus the fact that these bad people in this world look like the good people in this world.
The bottom line here is that every body is at risk when it comes to bad things happening to them. People do not normally go out to look for trouble, but bad people know how to look for victims and prey on those who are usually of good character or appear naive to there surroundings.
It is unfortunate that these predators have more of a hold on causing bad things to happen to good people than good people have on preventing bad things from happening in the first place.
ie: A locked door only keeps out good people, because if a bad person really wants to get in he can. They know how to get around a lock and get what they want.
Bad people in this world use their evil to prevail over the good in this world. This means they simply educate themselves on how to deceive the educated good people of the world and exploit them for their devious plots and schemes that they have planned in their minds to carry out on them.
Thus, the only way to catch a thief is think like one.
Unfortunately good people in this world do not like the thought of compromising their morals and judgement by clouding it with thoughts of the bad in this world or for that matter that the bad in this world exists and can happen to them.
Too often they think like you..."Bad things hapen to bad people.", which is why that way of thinking often ends up in something bad happening to them.
This is why I often say to good people...Teach our children to be aware of whats going on around them each day and to pay attention to what they are doing, when they are doing it.
To fight evil you have to know what evil is!
Be safe my friend...for its a jungle out there!
Kathy
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KATHY TRUSTY
Apr 21, 2006 at 11:48 am
To Renee,
Quote: "I think that all of you guys who do not want to listen to her story anymore should watch something else. If you ask me I think that it is important to the Family of Natalee to try to find their kid alive. To the people who are saying that it doesn't matter, try thinking about your kids, or family members. If they where to go missing I hope you would do anything to get them back alive. So give the Holloway family the respect that you would want to get if you were in their shoes."
Well, Renee, I think that the reason people complain about this story of Natalee Holloway is because they are drawn to this story and it scares them that something like this could happen to their children, whether abroad or in this country.
This story is historical within it; basically because it exposes a reality that it doesn't just happen to "pretty, rich, blonde girls from Alabama"; but that it can happen to any one of us.
My theory is that this is a reality check for people not only in the US, but in other countries, that see the corruption in the police and governments around the world.
It is not the first time we Americans have heard about corruption in police cases...look at the Jon Bonnet Ramsey case and how the police allowed the crime scene to become contaminated right off the bat, from the beginning of the investigation.
Look how the mafia infiltrated the police and politics from the 20's to the present...how New Orleans is known for their crooked politics and police, as well as other major cities.
This should not be a surprise, to the American people, than corruption exists in our world, but it is sure an eye-opening reality that is exists in foreign countries that we chose for vacation spots.
I think people complain about the Natalee Hallway reports of the news media, not because she came from a privileged family or that she is blonde and beautiful, and received a full scholarship to go to the University of Alabama, to become a doctor, but that she depicts the American Dream we have for all of our children...and now the DREAM has been crushed!
American's are starting to feel fearful that something like what happened to Natalee can easily happen to their child(ren), although we all feel that we try to raise our children proper, as we try to instill in them moral values.
This NEWS EVENT is a slap-in-the-face, a wake-up call, so to speak, and Americans as well as other countries are seeing for the first time that this could happen to them...and it scares the holy crap out of them.
The fact is there is corruption in this case, it drips from it, like puss from scab, it reeks of it, like the garage in a landfill, yet we are all shocked about this corruption, basically because we either refused to believe it existed or we were all naive to think our police and government would be truthful with us, even in a foreign country under their laws.
We all try to believe that we can trust our government and the police who are suppose to “serve and protect” us, but this case is sending us all a message that we should learn how to be self-sufficient and trust our own instincts, thus not putting ourselves in situations that could possibly lead to bad outcomes, all while not putting our full faith in the political practices, which is suppose to protect our freedom and pursuit of happiness.
I feel we all have a great deal to learn from this case and even though we complain about the coverage of this story...we only do it out of fear for our own families. I think we all feel, that although Beth Twitty is getting a lot of coverage (and is holding up well, I may add) that we wonder, what we would do if we were in her shoes? This is something we all hope we never have to face first hand.
It's like being afraid of a scary, gory scene in a movie, but we are afraid to turn our heads or close our eyes...for fear we may miss something, yet when the movie is over we complain about these scenes...although we know we saw the parts we complain about.
Complaining (to me) is just another way to say I need to talk about this subject in order to learn from it (basically because it frightens us all to have to face our fears and come to terms with them).
Kathy
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steve
Apr 29, 2006 at 9:46 pm
Natalee Holloway was killed by the vandersloot boy or the klope bros and paulos vandersloot. Lock them up throw away the key. or shoot them by firing squad. Lets face it they were the last people to see her and they know what happened to her I wasnt born yesterday. These guys lied to many times to be inocent of any wrong doing. If you have nothing to hide why lie? The keystone cops in aruba have not a clue what their doing. This investigation has been comical and the biggest joke of the century. Please get somone over there to investigate and do a real investigation.
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KATHY TRUSTY
May 10, 2006 at 4:52 pm
To Steve:
Sounds like you need anger management quick! :(
Kathy
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Monique
May 15, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Hi, Kathy!! Long time, huh????!!!
But I see someone is keeping you busy and entertained!!!!!
I was so sure that something concrete was going to develop last month - with the re-enactment, the "arrest" of a few people... but nothing!! Unbelievable!!! I think it's hilarious that the MAIN COP gup "dompeg" ??????? was fired after doing that re-enactment with the Dutch TV... too funny!!!! but seriously, what a tragedy twice over.. once when she disappeared and now for the family to be facing the first anniversary and still no one has been brought to justice and she is still not located.... it's just so sad!
I hope you had a wonderful Mother's Day... take care.. will check back later in the week!
Hugs,
Monique
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KATHY TRUSTY
May 16, 2006 at 12:41 pm
Well, hello Monique,
Yes, it's been a while since I last heard from you.
Well the way I see it Dompig should have been replaced long before he was...seeing that his brother-in-law was selling drugs on the island and was never arrested...plus other facts that have been brought to the light over the past few months!
It's astonishing that Aruba and the Netherlands would allow such corruption in the police department, knowing that Aruba depends on tourism, not only from America, but other countries, for economic revenue.
It is ashame how they screwed up from the very beginning, yet it seems that Dompig has been covering for somebody other than his brother-in-law; however, the truth is we will probably never know what happened to Natalee for years to come due to the poor example Dompig set for Aruba!
If Beth had not kept this case in the spot light as she has done nobody would have found out about Dompig and the corruption he casted on Aruba in the first place. Like why wasn't his brother-in-law locked up instead of being able to roam the island and peddle his drugs to the locals and tourist?
Yes, it is a crying shame that the corruption has caused a travisty to become a catastrophy.
Kathy
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Monique
May 22, 2006 at 12:28 am
Any comments about this new arrest that has just happened??? Someone who is supposedly a friend of Joran's??? I hope this isn't just another JOKE....
Anyway.... hope to talk to you soon!
Hugs,
Monique
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gwen
May 22, 2006 at 8:08 am
the focus is on joran becos he is a liar
and in time hopefully they can prove he did it
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gwen
May 23, 2006 at 1:55 pm
the chaperones feel as though it is not
there fault, i say bull crap it is all
there fault. if they did what they were suppose to do , natalee would be with us today
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bobby
May 29, 2006 at 10:44 pm
this Natalee bracelet, can u buy one? and does it go to Her family.
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GrannyWise
Jun 15, 2006 at 2:38 pm
I just ran across this site for the first time.
Art Wood I am surprised and disappointed immensely in you.
Those of you blaming Beth and/or Natalee are completely on the wrong track, IMHO. I commend Beth for keeping Natalee's case front and center. I would hope, if she were my child, that I would have what it takes to do the same thing. I can't say who is guilty for sure, but JVS's lying sure makes him appear guilty, and I feel strongly that he is involved.I am thankful for Tim Miller and his team and all they have done. I have been joyfully contributing to Dave's fund in MS. for months, to help with trip expenses and searches. I pray for some resolution for these families, and for God's peace that passes all understanding.
For the person who ask about the bracelets. You can purchase them at http:www.blogsfornatalee.com, and the proceeds do go to the family.
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Jessi Lei
Jun 19, 2006 at 9:19 pm
what i do not understand is why they do not polygraph the witnesses, hell, joran van der sloot could be lying through his god damned teeth. how much harm would it do to polygraph him, none..
new leads. but no Natalee, find Natalee Holloway and bring her home safe.
:)
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gwen
Jun 23, 2006 at 8:37 am
i saw on greta last night they have a new witness
who claims he knows and seen what happened to
natalee on the beach that night. and how the
body was weighed down and put into the water
and they even found the weights in the water
this witness descibed it was a tall thin person
who did this.
gee who do we know that is tall and thin?
461 -
gwen
Jun 29, 2006 at 6:39 pm
saw the same thing about this new witness
on msnbc the abrams show. how a woman was
screaming as they made there way to the water
and only one person came out...and how this
witness went and picked items off of the beach
where the fight took place.......
462 -
gwen
Jun 30, 2006 at 1:47 pm
i saw last night on greta that the new witness
has lied. he did it for the reward.
now he is arrested... oh well
I don't like Van der sloots attorney he is so arrogrant and cold hearted no sympathy you reap what you sow what goes around come around as he say he have a family well sir you you think bease God don't like ugly and you shold be shame of yourself you will get yours and remember mr.attorney you will get it and becase of your selfishness remember it as because the way you treated the Holloway's and also I fault the chaperon where was they a complete check should have been made and counted before bed timenot wait until the next morning to count and maybe this could have been avoided if abura was the right and did't have anything to hide they would let the FBI and the united States enter everybody should have worked together the main isssue is Natille finding her and beleive me God don't sleep you do it once they will do it again God will step in and he will solve this problem we could nothing without him and everbody who is hiding,lieing will pay a great price you may hide all you want but the price God will give you I wouldn't want to be in your shoes don't worry mrs. Holloway God have heard your prayers and family and he will prevail and remember the cry in Isreal he heard there cry they could hide and cover all they want to just like they want the best for there family well what about you my heart broke and I cry with you for your child God Bless you Dear heart and keep on praying God have his way and time
464 -
gwen
Aug 03, 2006 at 8:02 am
has anyone heard anything about the lawsuit
against joran, whether it would be tried in new york or aruba????? did that get tossed out too??
i did see last week on the news that an american tourist saw
joran on the beach with a new girl
near the marriot, right where
he claimed to have taken natalee
people can be very dumb sometimes!!!
all you need to do is look at some of the facts
and you will know who did what to natalee
and how the police helped joran out.with a cover-up...
it is my guess that at least one aruban policeman
knows all the answers...perhaps dompig????
joran will strike again someday-his type always do
465 -
KATHY TRUSTY
Aug 08, 2006 at 2:44 pm
Update on Natalee Holloway:
AP - Fri Aug 4, 5:05 PM ET
MONTGOMERY, Ala. - The mother of a Mountain Brook teen who disappeared more than a year ago in Aruba said she was "crushed" by the dismissal of the lawsuit filed in New York against the Dutch teen last seen with her daughter.
466 -
KATHY TRUSTY
Aug 08, 2006 at 2:47 pm
Van der Sloot's lawyer, Joseph Tacopina, told The Associated Press that the college student "was elated" by the judge's decision.
"We were never afraid of the facts in this case," Tacopina said Thursday when the case was dismissed. "He did nothing to this girl. ... He's trying to get on with his life."
The lawsuit was dismissed by Judge Barbara Kapnick, who said it shouldn't have been filed in Manhattan. She rejected an argument that if the case were filed in Aruba, it would prompt a media frenzy that could interfere with the investigation.
Kapnick said taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for a case "when their interest in the suit ... is so ephemeral."
467 -
gwen
Aug 14, 2006 at 11:24 am
i was readind a website that had every bit of info on the holloway case. everything. to me its a major coverup corupt police and government officials. tampering of evidence. they pretty much know what happened but cant prove it and who did it joran confessed they buried natalee. an officer was seen digging something up where she was buried before the police got there. but anyway all evidence was destroyed, kapoes had 10 days to clean the car and so on..i think the site was on aol
there is every bit of info you could ask for...
468 -
Casey
Aug 20, 2006 at 3:15 pm
I have kept up with this story for the past year now and can admit I am quite ashamed of our Government not stepping in and taking charge. I will never be able to accept that Natalee is dead until it is proven. I think further action should be taken on our part as a nation and the sooner the better!!!!
469 -
snow
Sep 17, 2006 at 4:50 pm
Hey Kathy,
I see that you are still at it on here!!!! Have you heard from Althor at all? Well i hope all is well with you!
Take Care,
Snow
470 -
J-C
Oct 06, 2006 at 11:06 pm
First off this case as gone to far that joran vandersloot should get thrown in jail and get taken cared off with the big boys. Natalee's friends, well if you wanna call them "friends" left her behind on her own with some random guy in a foreign country and took the plane back without her? what was that all about, who does that stick together. Too many stories, too much evidence gone. what a kurupted island. If nobody talks soon this island will become deserted, north america will not return to this island. this island will only be just be for fishing. I wish the best for Natalee's Parents and friends
This is to Althor: You are most likely NOT an American and i think we should do what we do best and bomb and flatten your ass just to shut you up. Then when your dumb ass is missing we can all laugh and say who cares about this little unimportant prick. Move on to a better story. Aufweidersehn!!!!!!!!
people don't go to aruba, WE ARE AMERICANS we need to band together and show this little island what we are made of. This could be you or me missing. Don't beleive all this bullshit about it being her fault, these guys who did this are sick perverts and low life criminals, it could have happened to a pretty girl leaving a resteraunt alone at night!!! IT IS NOT THE VICTUMS FAULT!!!!
473 -
TommyA
Nov 14, 2006 at 11:32 pm
I won't go back until it's solved.
474 -
Calli
Apr 10, 2007 at 1:35 am
The authorities in Aruba need to learn how to be more intelligent at there job. They also need to realize that everyone knows who the guilty parties are except them, because they are to busy trying to help out the guilty party, just because of who the family is and how well-known the family is to your community. They need to notice that their is a family that just wants to find out the truth,so they and Natalie can find peace. So why don't you do your jobs better,and help the Hollaways and not the Van Der Slotts out. Just imagine that if this was your daughter missing and no one was doing there BEST to seek JUSTICE.
475 -
Anon
Apr 10, 2007 at 8:21 am
"Personal attacks are not allowed. Please read our comment policy."
Came here from Google - this whole thread is noting BUT "personal attacks". Can't be bothered to figgure out who the palyers are , this is all just dirt. What a vile cesspit you ahve here.
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— go to most recent comments426 - Monique
Hello, Tom...
yes, you are correct... telling a lie doesn't make him a killer... you ask if I had a night I on the beach would I tell my parents all the details? NO!!! but if the person I was with on the beach was not from my town or country and was missing as of the night I was with that person I certainly wouldn't lie about WHERE we were, WHO all was in the car, WHO took us there, WHO picked us up, WHAT TIME someone picked me up, and I wouldn't tell the police that I dropped that person off somewhere if I didn't and I certainly WOULD NOT ACCUSE 2 INNOCENT MEN OF HAVING DONE SOMETHING TO THAT PERSON!!!!!!!!
So, no... his lying doens't make him a liar - it just makes him guilty as hell!!!!
and by the way, my last comment that you responded to has NO ACCUSATION OF HIM BEING A KILLER - only a liar and someone that cannot be trusted.. so you should get YOUR facts strait. My statement WAS based on facts because all I did was say that he admitted to lying and that I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth!!! How is that wrong and how is that accusing him of murder?? CHILL!!!
M
427 - tom
oooohhh seems your a bit over sensitive monique...you'll feel so dumb when the truth comes out
428 - Monique
Whatever, dude!!!
Why will I feel dumb? Dumb for thinking that this guy is a liar and that he knows more than he states he knows?? He IS involved - we just don't know how - YET... and I'm sure I won't ever regret saying that...
429 - tom
still missing the facts monique...come on you can do better than this...
430 - KATHY TRUSTY
TOM
Well Tom, since you seem to know ALL OF THE FACTS, why don't you just SPELL IT OUT for Monique. It is quite evident that you know more than she does, or so you imply, so come on tell us all the details of the facts you have.
I am interested in what data and facts you have to offer, since you feel you know more than she does.
Come on clue us all in on the gory details.
K
431 - Monique
Hello, Kathy.. it's been a while...
Did you watch the Greta interviews and or the ABC interview? I'm curious as to what you think now? But be careful not to sound too suspicious of Joran, Tom might just bite your head off!!
It's funny to me how people go into blogs and criticize others for having an opinion - when that's the whole point of having a blog!!!!! I'm not saying he killed the girl - I may think it or may have thought it more than I do now... that's not the point... If I come into this blog and there is a place for me to add my comments then I should be able to do that without being picked on by the likes of people like Tom. Disagree with me... state your side... and then move on... let's discuss... but to sit there and attack me and then respond with silly one-liners is soooo infantile!!
LET'S HAVE SOME INTELLIGENT DISAGREEMENTS AND OPINIONS!!!!! THIS ISN'T MIDDLE SCHOOL, IS IT??
Monique
432 - KATHY TRUSTY
Hey Monique,
No I haven't watched the Greta interview or the ABC interview, but I read the interview on ABC’s website.
It appears to me that Joran is just plain and simple an out and out liar. His tendency seems to be...Oh don't pick on me or blame me because I lied and leave Aruba alone...yet he has brought this suspicion on himself by lying from the beginning and blaming Natalee for being with him on the night in question.
He has definitely left himself in the shadow of doubt whether he is innocent or not. It’s apparent to me that he and his father know more than they let on; therefore we may never know the whole truth of the story of what happened to Natalee. All I have to say is that the whole ordeal has raised a lot of unanswered questions, which will probably haunt this case for years to come.
I am not for sure if Joran is guilty or not but as my grandmother use to say…a hit dog barks…which means to me a guilty person always tells untruths about what they did as they try to blame it on anyone else they can.
Look at the very beginning of this whole ordeal and the two security guards were arrested and then released later, just because these boys thought if they pinned it on these to other guys they would have gotten away with what ever may had happened; however there lies came back to them and bit them in the ass.
Here lately I have been watching other missing persons and murder cases where the people who knew these missing people were questioned at the beginning by law enforcement agencies…told their story to the news media…and the months roll by…then murdered bodies of these missing people are found…and lo and behold it turns out the people who were interviewed had lied…now they await their fate in a court of law.
These people all had one thing in common…THEY WERE LIARS!!! But hey, who am I to judge them?
It’s just my opinion that the truth will always out weigh a lie, as a lie will often lead to more lies that tends to weave itself with small bits of truth, that eventually leads (with good investigation) to what actually happened to the victim of whatever crime occurred.
Have a good weekend and keep me posted.
Kathy:)
433 - Monique
Joran was seeking for the courts in Aruba (Netherlands) to "release him from suspicion from this case" and the judge denied it...
Just FYI
434 - KATHY TRUSTY
Morning Monique,
Hey thanks for the info.
It tells me one thing for sure the courts have either finally wizened up or they have had the suspension from the beginning but have been pending further investigation, while waiting for Joran to screw up along the way. This makes perfect sense to me since throughout history it has been proven time and time again that if you give a criminal enough rope to hang themselves they generally will.
Remember the old saying patience is a virtue…well the court of Aruba is playing a waiting game and as time ticks by they will eventually find out what happened in this case. Somebody that knows something, about what happened to Natalee, will come forward and tell what they know or whoever did something to Natalee (whether it is Joran or not) will trip up and be caught as time ticks on.
Kathy
435 - Monique
Is anyone out there.....?
Can anyone hear me......?
Allright then... I'm not gonna delete this site from my favorites list cuz I know that at some point you guys are gonna return... Come On!!! I know this story has lost some luster, but it'll come back... I'll check back in a few .. or sooner if there is news out of Aruba...
Take care Kathy... and Althor.. wherever you are!!!
436 - KATHY TRUSTY
Hello Monique,
Well I saw on Rita Cosby Live and Direct that the Kalpoe’s attorney said that the DA in Aruba may be charging his clients as well as Joran Van Der Sloot with murder and should go to court sometime in June or July.
Some of the people on the panel of Rita Cosby Live and Direct that she interviewed, including John Q. Kelly, Beth Twitty's attorney, thought that the Aruban authorities are just trying to get this out of the media by forging forward with a trial because it is hurting their tourist economy and that this is not the way to go about handling this case.
The panel all felt like the Aruban authorities just want to sweep this under the rug and go on with life as usual on the island, which is not solving anything. Beth Twitty said all she wants is to know what happened to her daughter.
It was also mentioned that Joran’s attorney stated that Joran wants to meet with Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty, as well as their attorney to tell them face to face what happen the night of May 29, 2005, but a date has not been set as of yet.
Well this is all I know for now, so let me know if you heard anything new or different.
Kathy :)
437 - Monique
Hey, Kathy!!
Tomorrow night - Saturday - try to watch 48 HOURS on CBS.. the lead investigator is going to give an interview!! He's supposed to say that he thinks she O.D.'d and the 3 suspects panicked and burried her... and then went back and burried her somewhere else. He also states that he thinks that Joran's dad knows more than he lets on... so who knows!!! Oh, and that the 3 suspects probably had others helping.. maybe up to 6 people total involved... how can he know this for sure??????? very very interesting, though..... I had no idea about the Rita Cosby show... I wish I had seen it.... all this new info and possibilities is leading me to believe this will finally get solved one way or another... I wish one of the suspects would crack and just tell us the truth for once....
Keep me posted and I'll do the same!!!!
Take care!
Monique
438 - KATHY TRUSTY
Hello Monique,
I missed 48 HOURS on CBS, this past Saturday, but thanks for the info.
Yeah it seems pretty ironic that the news media was attacking Joran and the Kalpoe brothers for blaming the victim, Natalee, in what ever happened to her, but now the news media is doing the same thing. Bizarre.
Kathy
439 - KATHY TRUSTY
Monique,
hey have you read this:
Kathy
440 - KATHY TRUSTY
Hello All,
Here is an UPDATE on the Natalee Holloway case:
Update March 30. 2006:
Dutch officials with ground radar and cadaver dogs have arrived in Aruba to re-search the beach near the hotel where Natalee and her friends stayed. They will also search the sand dunes and the area aroung the lighthouse at the northern tip of the island.
Dutch TV will air a show recreating Natalee's time on Aruba, with a special focus on her last day and night, on Aruba and the Netherlands in the hopes that the show will trigger memories or other witnesses, such as the cab driver who recently came forward with information about burial spots.
Joran Van der Sloot repeatedly denied any wrong doing or knowledge of what happened to Natalee after he left her on the beach. In fact, he blamed everyone but himself for any involvement.
Dompig says, "he believes Paulus van der Sloot does know more than he has been telling about the circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance."
Also, on the latest developments, the new witness, the chance of an accidental death by overdose, and the possibility of additional accomplices re-locating the body, have changed Dompig’s view of the case.
Dompig is optimistic that answers will be found. "We are that much closer to knowing what really happened to Natalee," he says. "A crime like this cannot go unsolved."
Kathy
441 - KATHY TRUSTY
Alhor,
Where are you? We haven't heard from you since January 26th.
Don't you like us anymore?
Kathy
442 - KATHY TRUSTY
Well, well, well. Havs any body read this:
BIRMINGHAM -- Aruba's lead investigator in the search for Natalee Holloway has been taken off the case.
Dave Holloway said he believes Dompig might have tried to protect someone.
"I think it's been his actions. Even from the beginning, they've been, you know, just awkward. He was the one who refused to allow the FBI on the island, you know. Just some of his characteristics, if he's involved in what I feel like is a cover-up and, you know, maybe he was trying to help someone else out. I'm not sure, but there's something strange going on there, maybe some others who are involved in it," Dave Holloway said.
Kathy
443 - KATHY TRUSTY
Also read this article about Dompig's replacement:
444 - PHI
I'm not surprised by Althors approach to Natalie and her conduct. He's right I agree she would have been far less vunerable had she not gone to Aruba. Had she not gotten "intoxicated" and stayed close to her chaperones. Shame on that girls parents for not raising her to be fearfull, cynical and god forbid pretty on top of it all. Shame on her parents for demanding justice, shame on them for not letting Aruba turn her into just another young tourist whore who got drunk and wanted a gang bang. Shame on them for subjecting themselves to the judgement of the world and trying to find answers in a difficult situation. They are doing what a parent does. Is it there fault the media finds the story news worthy ? Is it there fault that others go missing everyday ? Is it there fault they have the resources to keep her story out there and offer a reward ?
Let's pretend Natalie is what her family says she is. A girl in band, with pretty blue eyes, who wants to be a doctor and is looking forward to her graduation trip. She been raised by loving granted divorced parents but it is possible a parent knows thier child. Instead we assume the worst about Natalie and give the benefit of the doubt to Joran. She wouldn't be dead if she hadn't gotten in the car for that gang bang. Does anyone think they said "hey Natalie lets have a gang bang", of course not.
What very possiblibly happened and allthough a court won't here because is circumstancal is administered a date rape drug. Then engaging in sex with her which they've admitted having while she was in and out of conscieness she either died from complications with the drug or with deviant sex strangulation. They paniced hid the body, denied knowing Natalie, blamed security gaurds, told 14 different stories, blamed eachother and then clammed up after a visit from the father.
There is more evidence to support that then theorys that she ran away or is in the sex trade. There is an established pattern of lying, a reputation of preying on tourists and of administering a date rape drugs to girls/women. What we have is a missing girl and three suspects who attempted to frame two others and then have repeatedly lied. It's called a pattern of guilt. What pisses most people off is Natalie doesn't have an established pattern of being a drunken whore who seeks out gang bangs in forgion countries. If she did it would have been discovered by now what we do have is a suspect with a reputation and he's admitted lying. He's got 9 laywers to defend him I don't see him as a victem in this case.
445 - forgive my grammer
You've all made some informative and intelligent posts regarding this tragic situation. There are numerous threads running through this situation possible goverment corruption, a young attractive American tourist, an outspoken family and the social ideas that govern our ideas of morality. My thoughts, there is a growing resentment internationally toward Americans the rich and pretty ones espicially. I believe that while Aruba relies on American tourist dollars to survive they also on the working mans level resent that dependence. They watch tourists come spending money on things they cannot afford. They are also occupied in essance by a forgion goverment which always creates an fertile soil for corruption, look at Guam. It was into this culture a young, sheltered girl from Alabama stumbled and may have made what we consider questionable choices. Now that girl has become fodder of the press and a bullseye for those who would argue her charector is questionable as a defense for a crime commited against her. I'm not sure when being young and stupid in a forgion country became a crime ? I'm not even sure she is guilty of this charetor flaw. I have to wonder if Natalie ended up missing in a country with a preset mindset about tourists and entitled Americans specifically.
When her family sought help from the police they were asked "how much money do you have" a clear indication of low level police corruption. The idea was put forth from the start that Natalie had just run off with one of the local boys and would return when she sobered up. Does this happen ? I'm sure it does but if you work in law enforcement you learn to weed through the stories and consider the possibility this case is different. He's then told to go down to Carlo's and Charlie's for a beer, assured she would show up and sent on his way. Here he meets the local drug culture is enlightened as to the rules that apply there with the drug trade regarding tourist and offered everything and anything. All of this while watching the local boys swarm on the young female tourists. The last time I read a bochure for vacationing in Aruba it didn't say anything about my daughters being the target of predatory locals looking for a good time. Another little known fact is the use of the date rape drug is a common occurance in this Aruban hot spot. As a matter of fact before this incident Aruban officials boasted a clean record in regards to this and used that very same fact as a disclaimer for incomptance by ignorance with this type of thing. All this while refusing to allow the FBI into the investigation early on and to this day.
When Joran Vandersloot is connected to the crime he first denies knowing Natalie then begins weaving together inconsistant stories that only get worse after his arrest. Admissions of consentual sex are made which may have happened but they don't explain this missing girl. He claims he dropped her back at the motel after showing her the lighthouse and two security gaurds were escorted her safely back to her motel. These two security gaurds are arrested, were told they'd been fired perviously from the motel and if so why were they there and escorting this girl to her room ? If looks very suspicious but then their motives check out and back to Joran the trail leads for two reasons there is no film of Natalie being dropped off back at the motel and the former security gaurds have solid alibies. On the other hand Jorans' alibi is riddled with inconsistancies and suspected untruths. The ace he's holding he's a the son of a Dutchman who is in training to be a judge and Aruba is under Dutch rule.
I'd speculate the arrest of Joran was an effort on Aruban officials part to make this right but pressure from political lobbies hindered that process. From then on it's been smoke and mirrors with two lead investigators being removed one with retirement the other with termination. The removal of Dompeg can be an indication of inner political turmoil. His comments in the press and his drug addicted brother in law coming foward claiming Natalie purchased drugs from him did not help the situation. That and the fact Bodie is a completely uncredible witness. They've only added more credibility to the aruguement that there is something amiss within this investigation on the part of Aruban officials. The Prime Time interview Dompeg did was the nail in his coffin accusing Natilie of dying due to complications of a drug overdose, implying her body was baried somewhere, we have to ask. Then who baried it ? Back to Joran and the Calpoe brothers we go the last known people to have seen Natalie alive. It's routine investigation, simple.
When we get back there we find Joran has lied to police several times while in custody. The Calpoe brothers and him thinly implicating eachother which tells me they were all involved on some level. They each have something on the other and neither wants to own up to it. Armed with the legal knowlodge of their father who knows the Dutch and the Aruban legal system, they could get away with it. That's the biggest tragedy in the case so far is the trail of evidence is compromised at best compliments of the Aruban police.
The last few hours of this young womans life we can only speculate on but we have some facts to go on. In that Prime Time interview Dompeg was saying "she's dead, she died of a drug overdose". The implication that she may have been another of those "whorish American tourists" who's money were glad to take but who'll we will deny a fairly competent investigation to if they are victimized qualified with "how much money do you have".
I'm waiting for the shady American guys to come foward and say "Natalie loved kinky sex with mulitple guys and she used drug enhancements". They've not come forward and most likely because they don't exisit. If they did I'm sure one of those people commited to making Natalie look like the perpertrator of her own demise would have found them. The idea Beth can control what her friends say is rubbish and they've openly addmitted she was drinking and lots but that isn't the point. The point is you have a missing girl, who was last seen with a young man who's been accused of feeding off tourists and administering a date rape drug to minors. You have a suspect with questionable charector and yet what Natalie was wearing, the drugs she took and how drunk she may have been becomes a topic for debate. We have a suspect with 9 laywers, accusers coming forward, a pattern of deception, alibies that can't be verified, a father with politcal power and this girls charector is the only one challenged.
You wonder why this story stays with us ? It appeals on many levals, to the mothers, fathers, legal experts, single women who travel abroad and those people with a sense of decency. You can follow other stories if this one offends your sense of media integity so deeply. You can't change what the media deems important by insulting the victem of a media story you don't like. Yes children starve in other countries but am I gonna stop eating when i'm full even if there is more on my plate ? Yes !
The bottom line even if Natalie consented to sex, kinky sex she didn't consent to someone leaving her to die somewhere. If she used drugs thats not consent to bary her body somewhere to cover the fact that you were engaged in intercourse while she faded in and out of conscienceness. Being drunk is not consent and those who think it is pratice a form of predatory behavior that implies entitlement putting every woman at risk and assuming any woman dumb enough to accept a drink laced is consenting. We can be sure of this she didn't say "hey why don't all you guys fuck me watch me die of an overdose and then bary me". That leaves us with one of two scenerios, after all this she's gonna walk back into her families life or she's dead. All the facts point to her being dead, there isn't a shred of solid evidence to imply she fits the definiation of "cracked out American whore" not a shred. On the other side there is evidence to imply that Joran and the Calpoes' know something or they had something to do with it and Aruba is having a inner struggle over owning that fact.
446 - kevin holloway
Bad things hapen to bad people.
447 - Renee
I think that all of you guys who do not want to listen to her story anymore should watch something else. If you ask me I think that it is important to the Family of Natalee to try to find their kid alive. To the people who are saying that it doesn't matter, try thinking about your kids, or family members. If they where to go missing I hope you would do anything to get them back alive. So give the Holloway family the respect that you would want to get if you were in their shoes.
448 - KATHY TRUSTY
To Kevin Holloway, if that is your real name? Quote: "Bad things hapen to bad people."
Well you are wrong. Bad things often happen to good people. Basically because good people are often naive to the fact that there are bad people in this world, plus the fact that these bad people in this world look like the good people in this world.
The bottom line here is that every body is at risk when it comes to bad things happening to them. People do not normally go out to look for trouble, but bad people know how to look for victims and prey on those who are usually of good character or appear naive to there surroundings.
It is unfortunate that these predators have more of a hold on causing bad things to happen to good people than good people have on preventing bad things from happening in the first place.
ie: A locked door only keeps out good people, because if a bad person really wants to get in he can. They know how to get around a lock and get what they want.
Bad people in this world use their evil to prevail over the good in this world. This means they simply educate themselves on how to deceive the educated good people of the world and exploit them for their devious plots and schemes that they have planned in their minds to carry out on them.
Thus, the only way to catch a thief is think like one.
Unfortunately good people in this world do not like the thought of compromising their morals and judgement by clouding it with thoughts of the bad in this world or for that matter that the bad in this world exists and can happen to them.
Too often they think like you..."Bad things hapen to bad people.", which is why that way of thinking often ends up in something bad happening to them.
This is why I often say to good people...Teach our children to be aware of whats going on around them each day and to pay attention to what they are doing, when they are doing it.
To fight evil you have to know what evil is!
Be safe my friend...for its a jungle out there!
Kathy
449 - KATHY TRUSTY
To Renee,
Quote: "I think that all of you guys who do not want to listen to her story anymore should watch something else. If you ask me I think that it is important to the Family of Natalee to try to find their kid alive. To the people who are saying that it doesn't matter, try thinking about your kids, or family members. If they where to go missing I hope you would do anything to get them back alive. So give the Holloway family the respect that you would want to get if you were in their shoes."
Well, Renee, I think that the reason people complain about this story of Natalee Holloway is because they are drawn to this story and it scares them that something like this could happen to their children, whether abroad or in this country.
This story is historical within it; basically because it exposes a reality that it doesn't just happen to "pretty, rich, blonde girls from Alabama"; but that it can happen to any one of us.
My theory is that this is a reality check for people not only in the US, but in other countries, that see the corruption in the police and governments around the world.
It is not the first time we Americans have heard about corruption in police cases...look at the Jon Bonnet Ramsey case and how the police allowed the crime scene to become contaminated right off the bat, from the beginning of the investigation.
Look how the mafia infiltrated the police and politics from the 20's to the present...how New Orleans is known for their crooked politics and police, as well as other major cities.
This should not be a surprise, to the American people, than corruption exists in our world, but it is sure an eye-opening reality that is exists in foreign countries that we chose for vacation spots.
I think people complain about the Natalee Hallway reports of the news media, not because she came from a privileged family or that she is blonde and beautiful, and received a full scholarship to go to the University of Alabama, to become a doctor, but that she depicts the American Dream we have for all of our children...and now the DREAM has been crushed!
American's are starting to feel fearful that something like what happened to Natalee can easily happen to their child(ren), although we all feel that we try to raise our children proper, as we try to instill in them moral values.
This NEWS EVENT is a slap-in-the-face, a wake-up call, so to speak, and Americans as well as other countries are seeing for the first time that this could happen to them...and it scares the holy crap out of them.
The fact is there is corruption in this case, it drips from it, like puss from scab, it reeks of it, like the garage in a landfill, yet we are all shocked about this corruption, basically because we either refused to believe it existed or we were all naive to think our police and government would be truthful with us, even in a foreign country under their laws.
We all try to believe that we can trust our government and the police who are suppose to “serve and protect” us, but this case is sending us all a message that we should learn how to be self-sufficient and trust our own instincts, thus not putting ourselves in situations that could possibly lead to bad outcomes, all while not putting our full faith in the political practices, which is suppose to protect our freedom and pursuit of happiness.
I feel we all have a great deal to learn from this case and even though we complain about the coverage of this story...we only do it out of fear for our own families. I think we all feel, that although Beth Twitty is getting a lot of coverage (and is holding up well, I may add) that we wonder, what we would do if we were in her shoes? This is something we all hope we never have to face first hand.
It's like being afraid of a scary, gory scene in a movie, but we are afraid to turn our heads or close our eyes...for fear we may miss something, yet when the movie is over we complain about these scenes...although we know we saw the parts we complain about.
Complaining (to me) is just another way to say I need to talk about this subject in order to learn from it (basically because it frightens us all to have to face our fears and come to terms with them).
Kathy
450 - steve
Natalee Holloway was killed by the vandersloot boy or the klope bros and paulos vandersloot. Lock them up throw away the key. or shoot them by firing squad. Lets face it they were the last people to see her and they know what happened to her I wasnt born yesterday. These guys lied to many times to be inocent of any wrong doing. If you have nothing to hide why lie? The keystone cops in aruba have not a clue what their doing. This investigation has been comical and the biggest joke of the century. Please get somone over there to investigate and do a real investigation.
451 - KATHY TRUSTY
To Steve:
Sounds like you need anger management quick! :(
Kathy
452 - Monique
Hi, Kathy!! Long time, huh????!!!
But I see someone is keeping you busy and entertained!!!!!
I was so sure that something concrete was going to develop last month - with the re-enactment, the "arrest" of a few people... but nothing!! Unbelievable!!! I think it's hilarious that the MAIN COP gup "dompeg" ??????? was fired after doing that re-enactment with the Dutch TV... too funny!!!! but seriously, what a tragedy twice over.. once when she disappeared and now for the family to be facing the first anniversary and still no one has been brought to justice and she is still not located.... it's just so sad!
I hope you had a wonderful Mother's Day... take care.. will check back later in the week!
Hugs,
Monique
453 - KATHY TRUSTY
Well, hello Monique,
Yes, it's been a while since I last heard from you.
Well the way I see it Dompig should have been replaced long before he was...seeing that his brother-in-law was selling drugs on the island and was never arrested...plus other facts that have been brought to the light over the past few months!
It's astonishing that Aruba and the Netherlands would allow such corruption in the police department, knowing that Aruba depends on tourism, not only from America, but other countries, for economic revenue.
It is ashame how they screwed up from the very beginning, yet it seems that Dompig has been covering for somebody other than his brother-in-law; however, the truth is we will probably never know what happened to Natalee for years to come due to the poor example Dompig set for Aruba!
If Beth had not kept this case in the spot light as she has done nobody would have found out about Dompig and the corruption he casted on Aruba in the first place. Like why wasn't his brother-in-law locked up instead of being able to roam the island and peddle his drugs to the locals and tourist?
Yes, it is a crying shame that the corruption has caused a travisty to become a catastrophy.
Kathy
454 - Monique
Any comments about this new arrest that has just happened??? Someone who is supposedly a friend of Joran's??? I hope this isn't just another JOKE....
Anyway.... hope to talk to you soon!
Hugs,
Monique
455 - gwen
the focus is on joran becos he is a liar
and in time hopefully they can prove he did it
456 - gwen
the chaperones feel as though it is not
there fault, i say bull crap it is all
there fault. if they did what they were suppose to do , natalee would be with us today
457 - bobby
this Natalee bracelet, can u buy one? and does it go to Her family.
458 - GrannyWise
I just ran across this site for the first time.
Art Wood I am surprised and disappointed immensely in you.
Those of you blaming Beth and/or Natalee are completely on the wrong track, IMHO. I commend Beth for keeping Natalee's case front and center. I would hope, if she were my child, that I would have what it takes to do the same thing. I can't say who is guilty for sure, but JVS's lying sure makes him appear guilty, and I feel strongly that he is involved.I am thankful for Tim Miller and his team and all they have done. I have been joyfully contributing to Dave's fund in MS. for months, to help with trip expenses and searches. I pray for some resolution for these families, and for God's peace that passes all understanding.
For the person who ask about the bracelets. You can purchase them at http:www.blogsfornatalee.com, and the proceeds do go to the family.
459 - Jessi Lei
what i do not understand is why they do not polygraph the witnesses, hell, joran van der sloot could be lying through his god damned teeth. how much harm would it do to polygraph him, none..
new leads. but no Natalee, find Natalee Holloway and bring her home safe.
:)
460 - gwen
i saw on greta last night they have a new witness
who claims he knows and seen what happened to
natalee on the beach that night. and how the
body was weighed down and put into the water
and they even found the weights in the water
this witness descibed it was a tall thin person
who did this.
gee who do we know that is tall and thin?
461 - gwen
saw the same thing about this new witness
on msnbc the abrams show. how a woman was
screaming as they made there way to the water
and only one person came out...and how this
witness went and picked items off of the beach
where the fight took place.......
462 - gwen
i saw last night on greta that the new witness
has lied. he did it for the reward.
now he is arrested... oh well
463 - Gwendolyn
I don't like Van der sloots attorney he is so arrogrant and cold hearted no sympathy you reap what you sow what goes around come around as he say he have a family well sir you you think bease God don't like ugly and you shold be shame of yourself you will get yours and remember mr.attorney you will get it and becase of your selfishness remember it as because the way you treated the Holloway's and also I fault the chaperon where was they a complete check should have been made and counted before bed timenot wait until the next morning to count and maybe this could have been avoided if abura was the right and did't have anything to hide they would let the FBI and the united States enter everybody should have worked together the main isssue is Natille finding her and beleive me God don't sleep you do it once they will do it again God will step in and he will solve this problem we could nothing without him and everbody who is hiding,lieing will pay a great price you may hide all you want but the price God will give you I wouldn't want to be in your shoes don't worry mrs. Holloway God have heard your prayers and family and he will prevail and remember the cry in Isreal he heard there cry they could hide and cover all they want to just like they want the best for there family well what about you my heart broke and I cry with you for your child God Bless you Dear heart and keep on praying God have his way and time
464 - gwen
has anyone heard anything about the lawsuit
against joran, whether it would be tried in new york or aruba????? did that get tossed out too??
i did see last week on the news that an american tourist saw
joran on the beach with a new girl
near the marriot, right where
he claimed to have taken natalee
people can be very dumb sometimes!!!
all you need to do is look at some of the facts
and you will know who did what to natalee
and how the police helped joran out.with a cover-up...
it is my guess that at least one aruban policeman
knows all the answers...perhaps dompig????
joran will strike again someday-his type always do
465 - KATHY TRUSTY
Update on Natalee Holloway:
AP - Fri Aug 4, 5:05 PM ET
MONTGOMERY, Ala. - The mother of a Mountain Brook teen who disappeared more than a year ago in Aruba said she was "crushed" by the dismissal of the lawsuit filed in New York against the Dutch teen last seen with her daughter.
466 - KATHY TRUSTY
Van der Sloot's lawyer, Joseph Tacopina, told The Associated Press that the college student "was elated" by the judge's decision.
"We were never afraid of the facts in this case," Tacopina said Thursday when the case was dismissed. "He did nothing to this girl. ... He's trying to get on with his life."
The lawsuit was dismissed by Judge Barbara Kapnick, who said it shouldn't have been filed in Manhattan. She rejected an argument that if the case were filed in Aruba, it would prompt a media frenzy that could interfere with the investigation.
Kapnick said taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for a case "when their interest in the suit ... is so ephemeral."
467 - gwen
i was readind a website that had every bit of info on the holloway case. everything. to me its a major coverup corupt police and government officials. tampering of evidence. they pretty much know what happened but cant prove it and who did it joran confessed they buried natalee. an officer was seen digging something up where she was buried before the police got there. but anyway all evidence was destroyed, kapoes had 10 days to clean the car and so on..i think the site was on aol
there is every bit of info you could ask for...
468 - Casey
I have kept up with this story for the past year now and can admit I am quite ashamed of our Government not stepping in and taking charge. I will never be able to accept that Natalee is dead until it is proven. I think further action should be taken on our part as a nation and the sooner the better!!!!
469 - snow
Hey Kathy,
I see that you are still at it on here!!!! Have you heard from Althor at all? Well i hope all is well with you!
Take Care,
Snow
470 - J-C
First off this case as gone to far that joran vandersloot should get thrown in jail and get taken cared off with the big boys. Natalee's friends, well if you wanna call them "friends" left her behind on her own with some random guy in a foreign country and took the plane back without her? what was that all about, who does that stick together. Too many stories, too much evidence gone. what a kurupted island. If nobody talks soon this island will become deserted, north america will not return to this island. this island will only be just be for fishing. I wish the best for Natalee's Parents and friends
471 - Rose Schindler
This is to Althor: You are most likely NOT an American and i think we should do what we do best and bomb and flatten your ass just to shut you up. Then when your dumb ass is missing we can all laugh and say who cares about this little unimportant prick. Move on to a better story. Aufweidersehn!!!!!!!!
472 - Rose Schindler
people don't go to aruba, WE ARE AMERICANS we need to band together and show this little island what we are made of. This could be you or me missing. Don't beleive all this bullshit about it being her fault, these guys who did this are sick perverts and low life criminals, it could have happened to a pretty girl leaving a resteraunt alone at night!!! IT IS NOT THE VICTUMS FAULT!!!!
473 - TommyA
I won't go back until it's solved.
474 - Calli
The authorities in Aruba need to learn how to be more intelligent at there job. They also need to realize that everyone knows who the guilty parties are except them, because they are to busy trying to help out the guilty party, just because of who the family is and how well-known the family is to your community. They need to notice that their is a family that just wants to find out the truth,so they and Natalie can find peace. So why don't you do your jobs better,and help the Hollaways and not the Van Der Slotts out. Just imagine that if this was your daughter missing and no one was doing there BEST to seek JUSTICE.
475 - Anon
"Personal attacks are not allowed. Please read our comment policy."
Came here from Google - this whole thread is noting BUT "personal attacks". Can't be bothered to figgure out who the palyers are , this is all just dirt. What a vile cesspit you ahve here.