On behalf of the civilized world, I thank the Israelis for finally killing the evil cleric Sheik Ahmed Yassin, founder, spiritual political and military leader of Hammas. The world is a little better for the extermination of this particular vermin.
Naturally, there are many who do not approve of this act of public hygiene. Besides those who just openly hate Israel, even some who at least claim to be against terrorism think this was a bad idea- though I fail to understand how someone could honestly think that killing terrorists is not the best, most direct way to fight terrorism.
I responded to one such person at Blogcritics who says that "it's a very short-sighted act, ruinous" thusly:
Absolutely any possible thing the Israelis do or don't do will be ruinous, causing Palestinians to want to kill them. If the Israelis said, "Hi, Palestinian neighbor, sure is nice weather today, huh? Would you like some ice cream?" the Palestinian would most likely respond, "DIE JEWISH SCUM" then blow them both up.
I appreciate that a lot of Israelis are weary to death of the struggle, and I respect the right of the Israelis to show as much forbearance as they wish. I would not propose to tell them how they HAVE to act.
However, in their place, Americans would have goddam destroyed these people years ago. What, they should let this guy Yassin sit there year after year personally sending suicide bombers to kill more Israelis?
If you kill enough of them bastards, the rest of them WILL take a hint. And if they don't, they can get roasted too. Remember, a dead terrorist can't hurt you. You got more people who want to kill us now? That's ok, we've got plenty of ammo.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Eric Olsen
In general I agree with your perspective (though I think the righ/wrong ratio is more like 80/20), and if the Israelis had to assassinate someone this twisted hate-monger would certainly be at the top of the list. But I am not sure about the timing. I have to look into the specifics more, but if the Israelis are building the wall to hunker down over the long haul, I'm not sure what strategic need was met by blowing this prick up now.
2 - Ms. Tek
Some people absolutely DESERVE their oppression and misery.
Yeah, that is what the white slave-masters were saying to the blacks and Indians and Asians etc... about 150 years ago.
The Palestinian people have largely absolutely brought their current suffering on themselves. As long as they insist on killing, they should expect to be held down and have their evil leaders whacked
Public, vicious, murders are never an answer. It is no better if it is state sanctioned or if it sanctioned by terrorist. The Palestinian children do not deserve to suffer. No one deserves to suffer for the actions of another. No one here has the right to play god.
Also, considering the timing... very bad idea. The state department claims they were not forewarned by Israel. Well DUH! Israel has shown itself to be 100% for itself and has proven itself to be no true ally of the United States.
Because no one in that region has an ounce of sanity and are all operating in "hot head" mode, it will bring the destruction of everyone.
The "KILLKILLKILLGUNSGUNSGUNSBLAMBLAMPOWPOW" mentality has never worked in the long run. NEVER.
I'm a schoolyard bully, you kill my mother and my sister... you think I learned a lesson? No way, I'm going to kill your mother, your sister, your father AND rape your grandmother...
And so on, and so forth.
3 - Al Barger
Seems like two different strategies that would be complimentary: 1)Kill as many terrorists as possible, and 2)Build a wall to slow the rest down.
I don't see where you get any 20%. If the state of Israel has any right to exist at all, then they've been pretty genteel in defending it relative to the direct physical attacks they have suffered. You might reasonably criticize an occasional specific tactic, but the Israelis have not been harsh like they could- especially not in recent years.
4 - NC
NEVER? NEVER EVER? NEVER EVER EVER IN GERMANY? OR JAPAN? NEVER EVER?
5 - Shark
I just wonder if our Star Wars Defense System has a setting for 'wheelchairs'?
6 - Shark
I responded to one such person at Blogcritics who says that "it's a very short-sighted act, ruinous" thusly...
Al, just to be fair, I thought I'd mention that such person is an Israeli citizen.
True, she's a 'liberal' Israeli citizen, but it just adds a bit of 'oomph' to the whole debate.
There is a relatively large 'peace' party in Israel who think that long term peace can only be achieved by one-on-one dealings, mano-y-mano style communication.
Agree or disagree -- just thought that deserved mention.
(As for me, I'd like to offer the Palestinians Southern Arizona. Same temperature, same landscape, same amount of water, same level of economy, etc. -- AND I don't think anybody is using it at the moment. It could work.)
7 - Al Barger
Ms Tek, this is just more foolishness from you: "Yeah, that is what the white slave-masters were saying to the blacks and Indians and Asians etc... about 150 years ago."
Africans etc were not coming across to our country and blowing up hundreds of men, women and children. That makes the situations maybe just SLIGHTLY different, you think?
Further, "I'm a schoolyard bully, you kill my mother and my sister... you think I learned a lesson? No way" Alright then, we can kill YOU TOO. We've got plenty of ammo.
It's unfortunate that the children suffer, but it is their own people who are bringing that on them, not the Israelis. The Israelis try to avoid killing innocents- as opposed to the Palestinians to whom that is exactly the principle goal.
The Palestinian teenagers and adults go killing Israelis, then hide behind the women and children. The blood of their people is on their own hands.
8 - Ms. Tek
You're right Al... the white people when into a land that was not theirs, set up their own rules, then called the people who lived there ruthless savages when they would not conform to the white mans rule.
Funny, you like to talk about the right to life bullshit, people are humans and etc... but if they are palestinian, who cares... kill them. They deserve it.
Once again, I wouldn't expect anything less coming from you.
9 - Tom
then called the people who lived there ruthless savages when they would not conform to the white mans rule.
They were ruthless savages. They lived and died by killing each other. We introduced them to modern things like Dentistry and medicine.
Equating that to today's fight that Israel has is childish. The United Nations set up the nations of Israel and Palestine. While Israel was building a great democracy with schools, hospitals, and universities, the Palestinians blew up school buses and ran around like savages.
You cannot deal with crazed Islamofascists by trying to reason with them. You kill every last one of them. The only thing they recognize is force.
10 - Ms. Tek
They were ruthless savages. They lived and died by killing each other. We introduced them to modern things like Dentistry and medicine.
EXCUSE ME?
EXCUSE ME?
And you are saying that Napoleon running around, and the various other European rulers were not savages because they had Dentistry and European medicine? Cause they sure as hell were running around killing each other.
Ladies and Gentlemen, Tom Bux has defined gentile civilization for us all:
Dentistry and Western Medicine. If you don't have this, you are a ruthless savage.
*takes this one step further for giggles* Mr. Bux, would you say that the population of the United States that cannot afford to go to the Dentist or Doctor are ruthless savages? I mean, they can't afford it, therefore they don't have it, so I guess that means they are ruthless savages.
Damn, it must be time for me to put that bone in my nose and go "OOOOGA BOOOGA BANG BANG"
11 - Shark
Tom vs Tek is sorta like watchin' two blind people in a fencing match using flaming pickles instead of swords.
Re. Indians in N. & S. America -
Tom: "They were ruthless savages. They lived and died by killing each other. We introduced them to modern things like Dentistry and medicine."
After I stopped laughing, I had to point out, once again, in the interest of being 'Fair & Balanced', the whites came here fleeing Europe, a continent that had been the scene of hundreds of years of constant, savage killing of 'each other'. ie. We got nuttin' on the Comanches and Souix et al when it comes to butchery; heck, we even had a "Hundred Years War" fer cryin' out loud.
re: Dentistry and Medicine - Lord knows they needed lots of 'medicine' after we imported that pesky 'smallpox' gift.
Just tryin' to keep up the educational aspects of BC. (It is non-profit, y'know)
PS: Man, as much as I hate to end up in Big Al's alleged "neo-confederate, baby-eatin', slave-ownin'" camp, I do agree that sometimes ya gotta kill for peace. Plus -- I love it when he gets pissed.
Carry on.
12 - Ms. Tek
Well Shark... Thanks for taking the time to insult me.
13 - Shark
Tek! Wait!
Wasn't meant as an insult, just an image of two people goin' at it with the improper tools for the particular warfare in which they find themselves engaged.
---And never really 'striking' one another in the process.
capeesh?
14 - Ms. Tek
No, capeesh. I would never say something so ignorant as:
They were ruthless savages. They lived and died by killing each other. We introduced them to modern things like Dentistry and medicine.
To put me in the same class as someone who would make a statement like that IS VERY insulting.
15 - Mac Diva
The constancy with which the likes of Al Barger, Psycho Shark and Tom Bux want to oppress and kill people is telling. It tells us who the real savages are.
16 - Shark
Tek, you swerved off the highway and bounced off an obscure guard-rail somewhere back there when you steered this Palestinian/Israeli Hummer of a conversation into...
Yeah, that is what the white slave-masters were saying to the blacks and Indians and Asians etc... about 150 years ago.
-and-
You're right Al... the white people when into a land that was not theirs, set up their own rules, then called the people who lived there ruthless savages when they would not conform to the white mans rule.
What can I say? My head hit the windshield, and I blame everybody, including you, Tom, Al, Columbus, and oppressed Native Americans everywhere.
(Watch out for those emotional telephone poles!)
17 - Shark
The constancy with which the likes of Al Barger, Psycho Shark and Tom Bux want to oppress and kill people is telling. It tells us who the real savages are.
Well, I can't speak for the Boyz, but we're talking about ISLAMIC TERRORISTS, dear. Y'know, the most racist, oppressive bastards on the planet? You're big on racists and oppressors; you tell us every other friggin' post, so I should think you'd applaud their demise.
Or do you only wish death and 'misfortune' to American writers you happen to disagree with?
So yeah. Fine, MacHypocrite, if it comes down to me or them, it's always gonna be me.
(And I want to live for no other reason than to irritate you!)
18 - Ms. Tek
Well, I'm sorry Shark if you have a problem with following along about when stereotypes are wrong. I don't think it is okay for anyone to write off a whole group of people or make false statements. The examples of other peoples in the past whom westerners did not understand and decided should be treated poorly has everything to do with this post.
There is one thing I can say... when I post things and I have issue with people, it is with individuals. I may wish harm on a few people, but I don't think that everyone in their family, their religion or their group deserves to be wiped out or harmed. I find attitudes like that archaic, infantile, and not really useful for solving the problem. What was suggested here was basically genocide... but hey... its genocide of those Palestinians who are basically bad people and the children deserve this because their parent brought it on themselves.
Once again, I go back to 150, 200, 300 years in the past and point out that is the same attitude that has enslaved people and abused people all along. It's not cultured. Its not informed. Its not civilized.
But then again, Barger even said himself that he has no interest in this.
Mock me all you want. Insult me all you want. The fact of the matter is that I would never suggest and a large group of people which included the innocent as well as children "DESERVE their oppression and misery". That is a vile thing to say and in the end does not solve the problem.
But if you want to compare me to the like of Tom Bux who writes stupid posts about "Liberal of the Week" and then goes on to talk about wine tasting and coffee, or writes things like "They were ruthless savages. They lived and died by killing each other. We introduced them to modern things like Dentistry and medicine. " or even dare put me in the same class as Al Barger, you can kiss my ass.
There is one thing to not agree with someone. I can accept that. We all aren't going to agree. But when you decide to insult people, that is when the mitts come off.
Even more telling, no one wants to go back before 1948. Why is that? Is that because I might just be correct in what I am saying. That maybe, just maybe if you study up, you might get a different perspective?
But if you truly understood what Zionism stands for, you would see that it is one of the most racist things on this planet. At least one thing can be said for Islam. It doesn't matter what color you are in Islam. A muslim is a muslim, is a muslim. Islamic terrorist can be Arab, Asian, or caucasian.
But hey, lets all do our 5 minute hate for the Palestinians. Kill them all. Kill everything that just won't do it our way.
Kill
Kill
Kill
For shits and giggles... look up some Asian philosophy and religion. If they weren't on our side, and were at war with us... they would be blowing themselves up too and destroying civilians. That is the way of war among desperate people. It doesn't make it correct. It doesn't make it right. But if you cannot even hope to try to understand the culture or philosophy, how can you even hope to stop the carnage?
With more carnage?
Yes, very logical.
19 - Ms. Tek
Oh.. and Shark... Mac Diva says some things sometimes which I really don't agree with... I don't always like the tone of her respnoses but that doesn't mean that you should have a boner for her and follow her around from thread to thread, stirring the pot. Same thing with that gorilla post. Usually I find you witty, but that was an obvious attempt to rile.
After reading your response to this post, I now understand better however. You are not a believer in trying to take the high road, or tying get over an issue. Hence your stance here. Nothing is ever solved by picking at sores and two wrongs NEVER make a right.
20 - Al Barger
Oh yes, Ms Tek, Miss High Road. Cha. And I want to hear about following somebody around from you or Mac Diva on MY frickin' post.
Granted that Shark has a bit of liberal vision which causes him to veer a bit left of center from time to time (either that or booze), but he DOES try to keep his eyes on the road. Thus, he tries to make his interpretations based on what's actually going on in reality, rather than looking for some cheap race baiting.
It's bad enough for people to be blaming the Jews for killing Jesus, but at least that was kind of documented. Now Ms Tek wants to give the Jews crap for African slaves and Native Americans getting screwed.
Miss Tek, the Jews did not do jack squat to the Indians. Let's leave them out of this.
Again, the underlying dishonesty of your position shines through: "Kill everything that just won't do it our way." Let me rephrase it in a more precise way to make my meaning unmistakable. I say, "Kill everyone who is trying to kill US, and the Israelis should kill everyone who is trying to kill them."
It is not two wrongs for Israel to kill Yassin. It is many wrongs- by Yassin, and ONE big right, by the Israelis.
21 - Ms. Tek
Now Victoria wants to give the Jews crap for African slaves and Native Americans getting screwed.
Miss Victoria, the Jews did not do jack squat to the Indians. Let's leave them out of this.
Barger, you are a disgusting liar. Thank God you can't delete comments. Anyone who reads through this will see you lying on me right there.
Listen Barger, you slimy little snake with your slimy little snake dance, you cannot twist my words to mean something they do not, no matter how hard you try. I don't follow you around. I make comments on the things you post without trying to stir you up. However, insult me and you too can kiss my ass.
My post stands. Anyone with half a brain who can think for themselves will see your antics without me pointing it out. Lie, dance, wiggle all you want. If you can't debate the post without twisting my words around, accusing me of saying something that I am not then just don't bother. It only makes you look more pathetic.
22 - Ms. Tek
Oh... and Shark... Its not fair to include Bux in the same vein as Barger. At least Bux says what he means and doesn't slime around issues or flat out lie on peopl. I never agree with him but at least hes upfront. I can respect that.
I hate slimy people.
23 - Al Barger
Aw crap, my head just hit the frickin' windshield with Ms Tek. I went down into the bottom part of #18, and saw this:
At least one thing can be said for Islam. It doesn't matter what color you are in Islam. A muslim is a muslim, is a muslim. Islamic terrorist can be Arab, Asian, or caucasian.
That has to be one of the most corrupt, jaw-dropping pieces of dumbassery I've seen in a while. Why, the Muslims are a Rainbow Frickin' Coalition of terror. How nice. Sure, they're, you know, EVIL MURDERING TERRRORISTS- but at least they're not racists about it.
Of course, I'd like to see you tell that to the Jews.
24 - Ms. Tek
Why, the Muslims are a Rainbow Frickin' Coalition of terror. How nice. Sure, they're, you know, EVIL MURDERING TERRRORISTS- but at least they're not racists about it.
Why yes, Barger... ALL MUSLIMS ARE OUT TO KILL YOU. MUSLIMS ARE EVIL MURDERING TERRORISTS. ALL OF THEM. KILL THEM ALL BEFORE THEY KILL YOU.
And not all Jews have problems with Arabs. Not all Jews are zionists who think that non-jews are less than human. Not all Muslims hate Americans or think we are the great Satan and want to kill us. There are actually a lot of cool Jewish and Muslims out there who were doing fine until the west butt its big head in and fucked up things as power for the course.
But you are too pig headed to perhaps do a little research on that.
25 - Al Barger
Au contraire, Ms Pitt, I have no intention or desire of deleting comments. YOU are the one who insists on dragging every bit of White Man Sin karma and throwing it on to the Israelis, who are mostly just trying not to get killed.
You're just a veritable fount of sympathy for the Palestinians, discounting their wickedness. I'm glad to let the written record reflect who YOU think are the good guys, versus who I'm siding with.
Look, I try to be nice, but you BEG for insults. I'm just trying to keep the customer satisfied- but don't be baiting me with bitter insults and then whine when you get busted down.
Whining sounds particularly unappealing coming from someone as spiteful and hateful as you.