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New Scientist Space.Com is reporting the discovery of a new "planet" in our solar system. Beyond Pluto is the Kuiper belt of rocky objects, this unnamed planetary body is the largest object yet discovered orbiting our Sun beyond the orbit of Pluto. First analysis put its size twice that of Pluto, but further study has sized this rocky globe at roughly 70% the size of Pluto.…
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26 - Floris Vermeir
Two questions for those intrested.
One goes out that the big bang spread manner in one direction or a very limited number of directions anyway, the other goes out that it blew like in all directions. If it exploded it something I can tell. The first question has kept me busy for a big part of the day, and took some time getting it formulated. The question appeared when thinking trough the relations and elements to try and explain the big bang in perception philosophy.
Question 1:
What is the optimal form in which a super dense liquid can find itself, and what do different forms indicate, in relation to the surface pression/tension and how this influences the way the liquid innitialy behaves when a weakness in the surface pressure/tension occurs and as such the liquid starts moving, as the weakness that occurs in the surface tension brings whith it a growing inequality in the internal structure of the super dense liquid in its orignal form, and as a result the speed of the liquid may change relative to its beginning speed over a certain period of time, not always the same, and creating as such an specific pattern related to this time-speed occurence, and as such how this influences the liquids behaviour related to how it exits the form it had formed and how the form and how the matter that results from it is spread in the space that forms and how the way in which it spread changes over time, influenced by effects that form as a result of gravity and the there out following effects and/or relations ?
Question 2 is two fold:
Part one:
What is the optimal form in which a super dense liquid can find itself, and what do different forms indicate, in relation to the surface pression/tension and how this influences the way the liquid innitialy behaves when a weakness in the surface pressure/tension occurs and as such the liquid starts moving, as the weakness that occurs in the surface tension brings whith it a growing inequality in the internal structure of the super dense liquid in its orignal form, and as a result the speed of the liquid may change relative to its beginning speed over a certain period of time, not always the same, and creating as such an specific pattern related to this time-speed occurence, and as such how this influences the liquids behaviour related to how it exits the form it had formed and how the form and how the matter that results from it is spread in the space that forms and how the way in which it spread changes over time, influenced by effects that form as a result of gravity and the there out following effects and/or relations ?
Part two:
If matter was spread in all directions, did it then spread at equal speed in all directions, fueled by a process, that happens in all directions, in the same way or not, and as such should leave it marks, and should possibly leave noticable marks that could be matter not equally spread, and perhaps some of the innitial matter left overs, or did it not ?
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27 - Floris Vermeir
Related to the two questions:
There is no other way to aks the major question then that way, and it has to be asked that way. The events happening as a result of gravity occuring, would be star and planet formation, black holes, white dwarfs and other already known phenomena.
Part 2 of the second question, is related to the question:
If all processes do happen in the same way, in the same time-speed alingment/pattern that would be vissible and the same range and/or place everywhere, or not, and if not, how would the internal processes hapening inside a certain form, which could or could not be the optimal form of the ultradense liquid like material can be in, influence each other, and as such te spread of material in its primordial form, and would this perhaps not result in a specific pattern of ultradense matter, therefore not on its orignal location, but moved in a specific direction or limited number of directions, that defies all other explanations, and could perhaps be related to or have evolved into dark matter or be recognised as dark matter ?
I have already an answer on that question but will not post it as yet, as I would like to know what other answers would be.I just checked and I've only read Notes on referring as a contract and on Being, in the book Kant and the Platypus, I was about to start reading chapter 3, but didn't as I was working on the perception philosophy. I have tried to read on being once before, but didn't get very far, not because it is not a good book, but because I wasn't ready yet to read, I lacked knowledge.
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28 - Floris Vermeir
These questions were posted online on my blog a while back, and the thing about explaining the big bang in perception philosphy is two steps closer to getting solved and explained.
I will post later the answers I already have, and I'll try to be clear, but I can't gurantee they are complelty correct. That would have to be asked to anstronomor and/or astrophysict, which I am not.
The only tip I will give is that, this is related to the dark galaxy that was found, if that is what it is, and I think its not a dark galaxy, but never the less a very intresting discovery and a very important one. That is why I came up with he questions, and I will post them and there answers when I have completed part 9 of the text on perception philosophy draft 4 I'm still working on.
But you get the first view of the answers I came up whith.
Sorry for the spelling mistakes. Give it your best shot, they are difficult and complex, but ask any questions you want to. I'm all ears.
29 - JR
In my opinion, to be called a planet an object should be large enough to be roughly spherical and hold some atmosphere, be in orbit directly about the sun, and be formed "in place", i.e. not captured into it's current orbit by Jupiter or another large planet. By this definition Jovian moons, asteroids, Pluto, and the other Kuiper belt objects would not be planets.
30 - Victor Plenty
JR, your definition excludes Mercury from planethood, because it has no atmosphere.
31 - JR
Sez here, Mercury has a very thin atmosphere.
Composition:
42% Helium
42% Sodium
15% Oxygen
1% other
32 - Aaman
From wikipedia,
33 - Floris Vermeir
Answer on the related question:
They did not find a dark galaxy recently, they found the left over of primordial matter or something very closely related to that. The water does not all leave the balloon I presume, some is left, and the speed does not remain constant. It goes slow, then faster and as pressure fals, it slows down again so that the leftover will move a little, compaired to the rest.
There may also be the effect that the firstly ejected matter colides whith the matter ejected afterwards but at a higher speed, which could either create a reaction or leave a distinct pattern of some kind. That are 2 of the main possibilities there will be others.
If nothing influences it later on, then what is left of the primordial matter, in its possibly a bit decompressed stat will have moved a bit away form its orignal position or possibly still be on that position. If that position is known, other question can be posed and answered.
34 - Floris Vermeir
Answer on Question 1 and first part of question 2:
The optimal form depends on the matter, and internal pressure. One must remind himself of the fact that the optimal form can be different optimal forms, as each different form, gives rise to other surface tensions which influences how the mater is spread after the bang happened, but this is also influenced by if its a implosion followed by an explosion, or a explosion as this influences the internal tension, and how the explosion spreads, and this in turn infleunces how the matter exists, which changes the shape, and that in tur changes the surface tension, and possibly changes the direction in which the matter is ejected or the speed at which it happens.
The possibility is also there that the reaction that caused the implosion, slows down and/or most likely does not influence each part in the same way, so that, although most likley the differences are small, those differences lead to a slightly different pattern in spreading, that could be found back even later on. Perhaps that those changes are the ones detected in the Wmap background radiation. I used to have a poster of the Universe some time after the big bang.
The differences in WMAP background radiation are most likely related to minute differences in the reaction that proppeled the primordial matter outwards, and as there was this recent research indicating that it behaved like an ultra dense liquid, the differences in the WMAP background are most likley in this case related to temeprature differences that are in turn related to how the reaction worked.
The spread would be influenced over time by the effects as a result of gravity occuring, that would be star and galaxy formation, which would cluster part of the matter.Yet every time a supernova or something likewise happens that matter would be spread again.
It also means that if there is a spot where some of this primoridal matter is left then depending if matter spread in all directions or in a limited amount of directions, matter may not spread at the same speed in all directions.
Sorry for this not being very clear, but its a first attempt at writting down the answer. It could be done using mathematics as well, but then it would even harder for msot to figure out.
35 - Aaman
Very understandable, Floris - thank you for the information - I can even visualize the spread of matter.
Of course, does primordial matter matter? What's the difference between one atom and the next? We're all just silhouettes, anyway
36 - JR
Ah, the question once asked by the great Horace Silver: How much does matter really matter?
37 - Floris Vermeir
Well the reason it matters is this. For some time now, measurements have been taking showing that the universe is accelerating rather then slowing down as expected.
Also by some there is used dark energy to explain that, where as normally gravity should hold back the speed and slow things down.
It is thought that the universe, the big bang originated in all matter being compressed in something the size of a grapefruit. Personnally I think that if it would be compressed in anything the size of a small moon, all the matter that there is, that would still be very compressed.
The two questions matter, because the form that this concentration of primorial matter had just before the big bang influences how it spreads. That is said simpley, but the answer is not so simple. The reason that findign left overs of that primoridla matter matters is that, if parts of where found or something very related to it, like for example that dark galaxy then it could learn us severla things.
One is that if it would be found at a certain location, a certain amount/mass of it, and it would be known or calculated how much mass the universe would be in total, then we could figure out some things about the speeding of the universe.
Recently it has been found that the form of the universe is different then expected. My point is that the form of the universe depends on the reaction that maded the big bang happen as well as the shape of the so called grapefruit thing. Explosions do not necessarly happen all at the same spot, and as there is this very recent experiment indicating that matter behaved like an ultradense liquid just before the big bang, I took that into account when formulating these questions.
If it behaved like an ultradense liquid, then part of that ultradense liquid may still be out there, as dark energy perhaps.
In a liquid the surface tension of the form influences how it is ejected outwards when a reaction happens that starts that ejecting process.
For example if you put a ballon into an iron basket, and then fill it with water, stress will become apparent on the parts that touch the basket, there surface tension is different, and when it blows water spreads slightly different then when the baloon is just blown like that. I'm currently experimenting with things like that.
As latest research shows that it behaved like an ultra dense liquid, the form we think it had, is not necessarly the form it really had. And both the form which is connected to the surface tension, and the reaction that caused the big bang, which can be just an explosion, or an implosion formed by an explosion influence the way matter spread. Knowing the form it had just before the big bang happened will also give us a chance to simulate how it would evolve and to which form it would result. Knowing the initial form it had, will give us information about the form there now is, and why it is like that.
Gravity is a very weak force. Walking on earth, this may seem strange, because if you let an apple fall it falls quite fast. Whitout gravity this conversation wouldn't even be tkaing place, as no life would have evolved on earth.
The reason that primoridal matter or finding it matters, is because it will force us to relook and rethink or theories.
It may also give us an indication of where to look for the place where the big bang happened and how far away we are from it, it can gives us some clues about gravity, and knowing how the explosion happend, also tells us something about how the universe is expanding, why its speeding up instead of slowing down. If that dark galaxy is what I think it is, then we have intresting time ahead of us.
The questions could be solved using a simulation of ultra dense liquids, fluid dynamics is already known. My computer can't hndle it. Playing panzers is staring the game and going for a cup of thea, and coming back 15 mins later to see if anything happend.
Supose this grapefruit thing, was a grapefruit whith a punch in it, from lets say a 2 cm deep. That would change the surface tension, creating possible weak spots, meaning that if it then explodes matter would spread slightly different then if the form would be completly round, or shaped like a annanas. The reason is rather simple, there is the surface tension, but also the distance that the explosion has to travell to get to the surface.
When i read about the big bang, it is always sead that it was very small and exploded, but nothing or very little is said about its shape.
If you take a balloon and you fill it full of water till it blows, then the form it has defines in part how its going to blow as does the place where the building up of pressure comes from, the reaction, and if you check it afterwards then not all water is gone, or has spread equally far or fast.
I think the same happened with or universe.
38 - Floris Vermeir
Could you please explain that part about the silhouettes. I think that I know what you are saying, but I'm not very sure.
Please explain, because I'm really not sure that I understand it correctly.