The recently opened Creation Museum is yet another example of Biblical spoon-feeding...
Ya gotta love the Creation Museum that recently opened in one of America’s true cultural and intellectual hotspots, Petersburg, Kentucky. As far as dumbing down religion, the beliefs espoused at this “museum” rank up there with the Catholic Church’s long-held assertion that the sun revolves around the Earth.…
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— go to most recent comments126 - SteveS
To tie this back to Creationism...
Donkeys were selected for their stubborness (something the Dems of today need to be reminded of).
But I digress. A donkey is related to the horse. A donkey bred with a horse gives us the hard working pack mule.
And it was a donkey who carried a pregnant Mary to the stable (oh, how that must burn for some).
And while the phrase 'the elephant never forgets' is actually false (we prefer 'do not recall' - Alberto Gonzalez), one might like to compare it's trunk to a phallus, the truth is not far off the mark as the truck evolved for the purpose of sucking.
127 - SteveS
Blogcritics really should have a rule about cutting and pasting the same tripe repeatedly on the same thread.
128 - RayJ
I always try to present Gods' message to the best of my ability the way my Lord would do it. Jesus wants more than anything for us to be more like him. I'm sorry that some of you need to ridicule me or Gods word to state some point. I am humbly saddened by the tone of Secular America. I will stand for the Bible(GODS' WORD) and that alone. Go ahead call me names etc. Bible says christians will be persecuted.....so when it happens to me....his word is only confirmed. now as to me seeming perfect or something...not true....I'm a sinner as well once again verifying the Bible as the infallible holy word!
God is angry only when sin occurs.
Never will you find anger expressed for any other reason
We know what God says sin is
I've never had an angry tone in my comments
Many have anger in their tone.
I'm sorry that you guys harbor all this in your heart
God gave us anger to use and he or Jesus is an example of how and when we should use it.
Any other display of anger is sin according to what Jesus said.
My quoting scriptures is because it is God not me that is the ultimate truth.
I quote scripture or what I've learned from scripture.
ANSWERSINGENESIS.ORG
for the inquiring minds
129 - SteveS
I always try to present Gods' message to the best of my ability the way my Lord would do it.
By boring them to death with repetition?
130 - SteveS
And there is no anger in comment 128 or 130. Just pity and frustration.
131 - Yabosi
So here are the first 5 verses of the KJ Bible...
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
It says that God created the heaven and earth at around the same time.
The Andromeda Galaxy is visible to the naked eye and is around 2.2 million light years away. This means that the light from it that we are seeing took 2.2 million years to get here.
If the heavens and earth were really created at around the same time as the KJB says, and this occurred around 6,000 years ago then the light from the Andromeda Galaxy would not have reached us yet and it would not yet be visible to the naked eye.
So when did God create the Andromeda Galaxy? Was it long before the earth? If so then why isn't it mentioned in the Bible? Certainly it would be. You'd think that things like other stars and galaxies are part of the grand scheme as they exert forces on one another, and are even used on earth for things like navigation (or were before alternative technologies/methods existed).
Or are stars and galaxies not part of the heavens, or simply irrelevant to the universe. If stars are irrelevent then that would make the Sun itself irrelevent...
Yabosi
132 - Christopher Rose
RayJ, the comments space is for people to express their thoughts and opinions, not mindlessly paste stuff from other sources. Please don't keep pasting the same stuff repeatedly.
133 - RayJ
Truth hurts I know
As to light travel
all the answers are at
answersingenesis.org
seek and you shall find
No more pastes....from now own I will type my thoughts and opinions that are really not mine but knowledge and wisdom only from prayer and the word of God....okay?
134 - Christopher Rose
Ray, do you ever find yourself conflicted between being a real estate agent and a faithist?
135 - RayJ
NO my only business comes from referral from church.
The buyers always get a bible for housewarming gift
God has blessed me with the success so that I never have to compromise my ethics in real estate
136 - RayJ
by the way 80% of my income is referred out to another agent.....I rarely work with people that come from my web site....usually only those I know personally
137 - Guest
Some Muslim, Buddhist or athiest in your town ought to go to you for business so when they get turned down they can sue you for discriminating based on religion.
my only business comes from referral from church.....80% of my income is referred out to another agent.....I rarely work with people that come from my web site.
So the website claim of "Monthly sales leader for 5 years in a row with 10th largest brokerage firm in America." is a sham or the people in your church never really move into a home and just buy and sell them.
138 - God
The 9th commandment:
Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness (Lie).
139 - RayJ
YABOSI,YYYYYAAAAABBBBBOOOOOSSSSSIIIII
You have a point that is used by many in astronomy.
But could light travel be addressed in the bible?If you will use the bible to justify your point...I will not to justify but because it is in the bible and the bible is the word of God
psalms Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
Isaiah 42:5
5Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
JOB 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
THESE GUYS WROTE THESE WORD LONG AGO BEFORE ONE COULD EVEN BEGIN TO INTERPRET THEIR MEANING.
The issue of whether or not the universe rapidly expanded during the Creation Week is not crucial, however it seems the scriptures demand it. Verses like Job 9:8, 37:18; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22, 42:5, 44:24, etc., may have their fulfilment in an expansion scenario.God could have stretched the heavens out to the billion light-years scales in this period of time, while forming the stars and galaxies on Day 4. And light travelling at constant still would have gotten to Earth in little time as measured by Earth clocks. A mature creation that is seen as an expanding universe may also be part of the description.
The light created on Day one was not that neccessarily of any star. Light is a form of energy. Darkness is not. I think the early writters of the Bible did a pretty good job for their day.
It was not written and re-written to defend itself. What do you say Yabosi?
140 - Yabosi
So Ray, rather than refer people to your (or your friend's) website for Adsense traffic, how about responding to the question of the Andromeda Galaxy's visibility in your own words, using your own thoughts?
I'll put a couple of small constraints on your response...
First, you can't say that it was God's decision to make the Galaxy (and other celestial objects) visible for the benefit of humans, so He temporarily tweaked the speed of light to make it happen. That's too pat and easy.
Second, don't try to convince us that the Galaxy was originally 6,000 light years away and the distance between it and earth grew by a factor of over 300 in the last 6,000 years.
You're welcome to pray beforehand and use what you learn during prayer in your response, but it's gotta come from either you, or God via you.
Yabosi
141 - RayJ
Dont get angry dude.The post section just ask for website and I happen to have one. You can go to that site and click the automatic e-mail and e-mail me personally....that is indeed me.
I cannot explain what God has done as to the supernatural. Scientist are only discovering what God did. They are in awe everyday they discover something new.
I am a believer...not an astronomer. I can only say this. You do not believe as I do.
All plate tectonics studies show that africa/south america are moving cm's a year further away
the moon is moving further away
The bible confirms it with its word before science was even close to explaining it.
Flood catestrophic..yes
Creation catestrophic...possibly
as I quoted 2 peter 3
Some will be willingly ignorant
I'm sorry but the Bible provides satifactory answers enough for me.
As for the Galaxy spoken of...I'm not expert in that area to explain it anymore than I have.
However the Bible is clear on the issues of faith and there are many quotes to explain how knowledge is not the same as wisdom.
I have answered you the only way I can.
Don't run from the truth yobosi, go to:
answersingenesis.org and pose the question to them....they have many astrophysisist(spell?) that will be glad to address you like you wish to be answered.
I give creation credit to God.
Not sure about you.
But I wish you well my friend.
142 - RayJ
Someone simply does not understand how business referrals work. I can refer anyone to another agent that may be better suited for that customer. Those I know and fellowship with can and usually do work with me directly.
It's nice to get 30% of another agents commission for not doing anything other than giving them some business
143 - RayJ
Once again everyone who disagrees want to throw arrows at me.
I don't do that...I simply reply with a message that is not to provoke anyone.
I simply call em like I see them.
Love peace...I'm out in a few minutes
144 - Guest
What does the Bible say about laziness and profiting off another man's work?
I'm quite sure there's something in there on that.....
145 - Yabosi
Ray,
Not angry at all, just entertained.
If we accept your argument that God stretched the heavens at some point then the Andromeda Galaxy would have disappeared from view once the initial light reached the earth. It would not reappear until many years later, until light from 2.2 billion light years away reached it.
Given a timeframe of 6,000 years, the Andromeda Galaxy would have disappeared by now, not to reappear until many years from now. This has not happened.
This is an example of how fundamentalist interpretations of the Bible break down and why there are so many interpretations of what it says. It's also a reason that it is a challenge for so many people to read and consider the Holy Scripture without the help of a charismatic multimillionaire in an Armani suit blabbing on the TV screen.
Yabosi
146 - Guest
It isn't so much about throwing arrows as exposing hypocrisy.
Should one want us to accept his belief as science or as a replacement for science, it should be held to scrutiny.
147 - RayJ
to previous poster.
Science should not be threatened.
I don't know why they are so concerned.
No one is going to be more stupic cause of this
There are over 500 on a list is AIG that are doctors and scientists.
Its okay guys....Do your thing
Let them do their thing
I realize many christians can only blame themselves. They should take a closer inventory of themselves. As should we all on a regular basis.
Yabosi, I'm sorry you have to write here and defend your articles and views. You would have to AND ALL OF YOU go to
ANSWERSINGENESIS.ORG
post your comments on feedback section
a do it there
As for this site
Few are viewing this
NEWSWEEKS latest article says it all
70% believe
The other 30% are unsure but most of them a sure about their interpretation of the truth.
There can only be one truth however, cause there would be no truth is there were more than one.
What is the truth is not what I or you decide it to be.
The truth is in the word of God
Good day Gentlemen
148 - RayJ
My hard work has been blessed so I can afford to give another agent 70% earnings......not lazy..just smart
Story of talents
The one that burried his was looked down upon compared to the one who gre his talents
By the way a talent is an amount of money.
149 - absolute
Once a professer said
"THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES"
I said, "are you absolutely sure?"
150 - sr
RayJ as more common sense then all the commenters combined on this thread including me. Most of you are at a level of asking that age old question. Can God make a rock so big he couldn't pick it up. Wish I had RayJ's honesty, integrity, faith and intelligence. No chance. I want to be my stupid self just like the rest of you. I found it interesting that the Creation Museum was protested. Why? What are they afraid of. We all damn well know they werent conseratives. RayJ please take no offence but for most of you, A BIG FUCK OFF DUMBFUCKS. Not being a Christian I can say that. So comment away because should I comment back it will only be FUCK OFF.
151 - SteveS
sr, are you are Creationist?
152 - SteveS
um, rephrased: are you a Creationist?
153 - sr
Sir I just commented on the other tread about creation. Am I a Creationist you ask. Well I was a village idiot at one time until my friend Ruvy set me on the straight and narrow. You did not answer my question sir so I shall not answer yours. Goodnight.
154 - SteveS
You did. I was trying to comment and run a household at the same time.
You stick up for a Creationist and call him an intellectual while at the same time call the Bible a fantasy. So no, you are not a Creationist.
I do not comprehend why you would think someone, who believes literally in what YOU perceive to be a fantasy, is an intellectual but clearly you do not wish to elaborate. You wish to give Creationists support while at the same time dismiss the Bible and you don't wish to elaborate on it. That is your right.
Good night to you too, and I did answer your questions to the best of my ability, whatever I missed wasn't phrased clearly.
155 - absolute
Can't we all just get along???!!!
156 - Christopher Rose
Guest: I've no idea as to what the bible says about anything, but I'm very clear that the Blogcritics Bible says about using more than one identity when commenting...
157 - Christopher Rose
RayJ/absolute: that goes for you too. If I see you using more than one identity again, I'll have to have a serious think about using the delete key on you permanently. For I am the comments god and you will follow the code of Christopher or surely perish!
158 - absolute
I've been absolute on about 12 or 13 sites concerning this subject...if you look around you'll find me always absolute. I'm not sure why ray j was on there before. I am Ray J(real name) but absolute has always been my code name.
159 - absolute
Some folks get so angry. I'm sorry but science and the bible are not in contradiction. I'm not against science...I love science...I just don't like tax dollars going to lies in the text books.
When micro evolution moves to macro evolution faith is required. Science is left behind. One then moves to faith that it must have happen. Can't anyone get that?
160 - RayJ
luv
161 - RayJ
I've used absolute on over 10 blog sites concerning this issue...Sorry just habit to use that username. Find me in mich. kent. oped news, courier-journel and many others.
My message in a nutshell is this.
When the geologic column is used as fact in text books with our tax dollars...it is wrong
henckels drawings...it is wrong
moths on trees it is wrong
when micro is used in a package deal along with macro,chemical,cosmic,and organic evolution all which have no more demonstable/observable proof than the bible it is wrong
it can not be that one is religion and one is not
they are both religions
why one is supported with tax dollars and the other is not is beyond me.
To be fair and balanced on the matter is a good thing
162 - Christopher Rose
Ray, I'm not concerned about what you do on other sites, here you'll use one ID or be banned. End of story.
163 - RayJ
I'll comply cause I'm honest and you can believe or not my reasons as stated. I simply told you I made the mistake and why. Im sorry if you don't believe me. Why don't you delete me anyway if you have the power....it surely won't hurt my feelings...go ahead...delete me.AS ABOVE...PERSONAL ATTACKS NOT ALLOWED(READ POLICY)
164 - RayJ
ROSE,
look at very 1st post....see absolute in there ...that is me i tell ya
165 - MCH
Yeah, RayJ ... just ask Dave Nalle/Vox Populi!
166 - Elroy Balgaard
#131 The Andromeda Galaxy is visible to the naked eye and is around 2.2 million light years away. This means that the light from it that we are seeing took 2.2 million years to get here.
That is a very good question, and is a good argument for an old universe. I struggled with that for a long time. I came up with a possible theory that could solve that question. I'm not sure if its the same one AnswersinGenesis gives.
I go back to my computer analogy. If you stumbled upon a computer out in the middle of the woods you wouldn't assume it came into being by a set of random occurrences, but rather a designer of some intelligence created it.
That computer runs on a set of instructions from its "creator" which comes in the form of a Binary code, which is simply 1s ons 0s or "on" and "off". When we look into the cell of every living thing it too has a set of instructions or code which is called DNA. If you Wikipedia "DNA" you will find the DNA is far more complex than simple binary code and we are just now starting to understand it, yet it is found in every cell in our body, which is incredibly smaller than any hard drive.
Darwin himself said that if it turned out that cells which he thought were "simple" turned out to be complex, his theory would be moot. Well we have certainly have discovered that to be true.
So what does this have to do with 2.2 million light years?
I am website designer, and before I launch a website I put a lot of time and energy to get it just right. Then when it is all ready I have a "Let There Be Light" kind of moment where with a push of the button the finished website is, at the speed of light, now online.
I think God, whose technology is light years beyond ours, created the universe in a similar way. God is outside of His Creation, He is outside the Laws of Physics, because he invented them, The time space continuum was his idea. So when He spoke the whole completed universe went on line.
The speed of light is slowing down, and if you extrapolate the graph backwards we could just be coming out of a reverse "J" curve. In the instance where God spoke "Let There Be Light" the speed of light could have been infinitely fast.
167 - SteveS
Guest: I've no idea as to what the bible says about anything, but I'm very clear that the Blogcritics Bible says about using more than one identity when commenting...
I am SteveS. My partner is Guest. We used the same computer. I have commented as anonymous when I was too hurried to fill out the name/url. I won't do that again.
There was no ill intent there, just multiple people from the same house.
168 - bliffle
When children growup they stop believing in Santa Claus: it was just a manipulative adult lie.
When children growup they stop believing in The Easter Bunny: it was just a manipulative adult lie.
When children growup they stop believing in the Tooth Fairy: it was just a manipulative adult lie.
When children growup they stop believing in God: it was just a manipulative adult lie.
Well, some do, anyway.
169 - Yabosi
Elroy,
If the speed of light was infinitely fast at one time then the red shifts that we see from celestial bodies would be far more pronounced than currently observed.
The red shifts are just an aspect of the Dopper Effect, which is not a theory or guess by an observed phenomenon. Most of us have experienced or observed the Doppler Effect ourselves...it is heard when a car playing loud music approaches and passes. It is the slight change in frequency created as a wave source approaches and leaves.
If you do the math, a 6 x 24 hour day creation process that occurred 6,000 years ago doesn't hold up. This isn't complex differentials, just basic math. There are many observed phenomena that dispel the notion of a 6,000 year old earth, and many examples of where creation taken literally doesn't hold up to the rigors of simple math.
If we take a more expansive view of what the Bible says then parts of the Scripture can actually hold up to simple mathematical modeling.
Now, I'll get back on my soapbox. As I've said before, fundamentalism is the lowest common denominator for all religions, since it is so easy for people to deal with...just take the word of the charismatic preacher, imam, rabbi, or whoever else may spoon-feed you a simple, literal interpretation of the Scriptures and you can get through anything that life throws at you, or any mistakes or sins that you may commit.
Fundamentalism is dangerous to society because it removes the thought process from much of life and casts things in simple black and white. We've seen throughout history, most recently in Iran, what happens when fundamentalists get mixed up in politics. People don't seem to believe it, but the same thing could happen in America if we're not careful.
Yabosi
170 - RayJ
ANOTHER OF MY STORED MID-WEEK E-MAILS TO MY STUDENTS.
The cray computer(NASA's computer) is one of the most complex computers on earth.
The honey bee is also complex.
The honey bees' brain weighs .0136 milligrams
The cray weighs over 2300 lbs.
The cray computes 6 Billion calculations a second
Scientists estimate the HB has 10 billion calculations/sec.
The cray runs on many megawatts
the HB runs on 10 microwatts
If the cray has a malfunction...there is a potential disaster.
If the HB is injured...it often can heal itself
SO WHY DO ALL EVOLUTIONISTS AGREE THAT THE CRAY HAD A DESIGNER
AND THEY SAY THE HONEY BEE HAPPENED BY CHANCE??????
The HB is much more complex than the computer!
Evolutionist say we came from non-living material billions of years ago but they have no proof, and never will.They have tried in the laboratory, but failed over and over.They made a few amino acids in a 90+% toxic environment. They allowed no oxygen. Oxygen is in all layers of sediment. Proven wrong long ago.
I WOULD GIVE THEM A FIGHTING CHANCE AND GIVE THEM ALL THE MATERIAL NEEDED TO CREATE LIFE. I WOULD SUGGEST TO THEM TO PUT A FROG IN A BLENDER; THEY THEN WOULD HAVE FROG NOG!
HERE THEY WOULD HAVE ALL THE MATERIAL NECESSARY TO CREATE LIFE
THEN I WOULD ASK THEM, HOW MANY YEARS WOULD IT TAKE FOR THE FROG TO REASSEMBLE??
JUST MY WAY OF REMINDING YOU ALL, THAT WE DID NOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE!
WE HAD A CREATOR....WHATEVER THE WORLD OR YOUR TEXT BOOKS MAY SAY IN THEM, OR THE DISCOVERY CHANNELS OR WHAT SCIENCE MY SAY...THEY HAVE NO PROOF OF THEIR THEORIES. NOW THERE IS LOTS OF GOOD SCIENCE TOO. I CAN TALK ABOUT THE GOOD SCIENCE TO YOU ALL DAY. YOU MAY BE INTERESTED ONE DAY IN SCIENCE AND YOU WILL DO WELL I'M SURE. NEVER CHALLANGE YOUR TEACHER...JUST ANSWER LIKE THEY WANT YOU TO AND KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. IF THEY PUSH TOO HARD...LET EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT IT. YOU SHOULD GET RESPECT IF YOU BEHAVE RESPECTFULLY.
THEY MAY TRY TO PUSH YOU THOUGH AND WHATS WORSE THEY TRY TO MAKE IT ALL SEEM AS IF IT IS FACT.THE ONLY FACT IS THEY NEED MILLIONS/BILLIONS OF YEARS TO SAY IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.
As for the galaxy....There is I admit an area of difficulty for the young creationist. I've learned in mathematics however to prove something right you must try to prove it is wrong. NO ONE CAN PROVE GOD DID IT OR NOT......therefore it must be by faith. The fact that a God who created can defy laws is more likely than not.Who is the law giver anyway? Who bought the gas to run this machine? I think 2 planets spin backward just to make the big bang theory look stupid. And why are planets still cooling off?
The light years theory is powerful but I will follow up on this....I PROMISE....in the coming days.Till then...Peace out.!.!
Yabosi....Do you believe in God...that there was a creator to this universe? If so tell me about it. Who is your God?
171 - Christopher Rose
SteveS, thanks for the clarification, much appreciated.
172 - SteveS
SO WHY DO ALL EVOLUTIONISTS AGREE THAT THE CRAY HAD A DESIGNER
AND THEY SAY THE HONEY BEE HAPPENED BY CHANCE??????
JUST MY WAY OF REMINDING YOU ALL, THAT WE DID NOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE!
Again, evolutionists don't teach that we are here by chance. They teach that we are here by trial and error, natural selection and survival of the fittest. An organisms ability to adapt. Not chance.
173 - Yabosi
Ray,
Looks like the panties are a bit ruffled, buddy.
In fact I do believe in God and that He gave us a powerful brain so that we can think for ourselves, and expansively as to how Creation may have been implemented.
I don't believe that He wants us to blindly follow the Falwells of the world but to discover and know Him in our own way on an individual basis.
Fundamentalism removes the thought from religion (all religions whether Christianity, Islam,...) and paints a complex world as black and white so that it's easy for people who lack intelligence or education, or simply don't have the time or don't want to bother to spend the time to develop their own understanding of God and the Scripture.
Frankly, Fundamentalists are an embarrassment to all people of faith regardless of denomination. That's my unapologetic take.
I need to work on my next article (my last one on Mitt "Flipper" Romney was a bit weak by my own standards), so I doubt I'll spend much more time on this thread. It's been fun, however...there's been some pretty lively debate and interesting viewpoints on both sides.
I'd like to thank to everyone who's participated and I hope that you continue the discussion.
Stay tuned for my next article on our lovely healthcare system.
Yabosi
174 - Elroy Balgaard
Evolutionist have to believe the following:
Primordial soup grew fins and turned into fish, it got tired of living in the ocian so it grew legs and went on the land. Then it tuned into a reptile, then a mammal and it got really big. It got tired of living on the land so it grew fins again, went back into the ocean and became a Blue Whale.
175 - sr
Christopher the only reason you would ban RayJ is because he is a Christian. Now Christopher if you dropped the opher from your first name and changed your last name to Jesus and reversed it then we have Jesus Christ deletes RayJ's comments. Now thats some real deep thinking on my part. Du. As El Guapo said in the three amigos, you and Doc are funney guys. Well nice chatting with you. Poncho is calling me and Poncho say Cisco lets went. By amigo's, see you soon at the singing bush.