Sexual abuse, sexual tyranny, and sadism in Austria.
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276 - Kay
This is so hard to get my mind around....the latest is that Rosemary is divorcing Josef.....apparently, 66 more rooms were found in the house and in one locked room was a diary Josef had kept of his comings and goings in the last 50 years!!! In the diary was a notation that he had raped Rosemary's sister! That diary must be priceless to publishers!!! There really is alot of money at stake here....what a mess one man has created....how diabolical...so many people that have had their lives destroyed by him!
277 - Deanna
kay I have yet to read that there was 66 more rooms found good lord what a sicko.....
278 - Kay
Deanna,
There are articles in the UK Metro about the latest news and I think the Telegraph. I'm sorry...I think I meant the entire house has 66 rooms...however, they did supposedly find some locked room with writing about Rosemary's sister being raped by Josef....it will probably all come out at the trial with evidence the police are finding in the house.
279 - Deanna
I wonder which sister it was not thatit matters but the heavy set one with the dog on her shoulder in that one video ? good lord this man is to much I saw the tv domumentary the other night but I had seen it all before on the computer through videos .....Im just glad elisabeth kicked her mother out...
280 - consuelo
there is such thing as stupidity. the mother may be just not smart enough to connect the dots, maybe she just believed the bastard.
281 - Reader
Here is a comment that I would like to make about Josef Fritzl and his wife Rosemarie ...
Clearly that "person" (and one has to stretch the definition of the word "person" in order to apply it to that creature) known to the world as Josef Fritzl was/is the DEVIL-INCARNATE - AND he should burn in h*ll for all of eternity for his evil.
In addition, it also needs to be stated that no person on earth should allow themselves be fooled for even one moment by the lies of "I didn't know" that are currently being claimed by that lying and equally evil wife of this evil DEVIL!!!
That vile, evil, perverted, disgusting, devil of a wife of that MONSTER KNEW!!
SHE KNEW!!! SHE KNEW!!! SHE KNEW!!!
She KNEW the whole time (or at least had literally no excuse whatsoever to have not at least 'suspected' something was amiss!!!)
She is a LIAR and she must think the entire world is as perverted as both she and her husband are and that by coming up with that ridiculous and flimsy excuse that she can then convince the rest of
the world to then respond to her own complicity the same way she chose to respond to that of her husband's evil - by 'turning a blind eye'.
BOTH of them are utter DEVILS and one cannot help but to hope that they both burn in h*ll for all of eternity for their evil acts!!!!
She expects anyone on this planet who has even half-a-brain-stem to believe for even one fraction of a moment that she didn't know anything at all?!?! Give me a break!!!
For crying out loud - unless this woman is Helen Keller - she has NO EXCUSE at all to not have known (or at least 'suspected') something strange and conspiratorial was going on regarding her daughter's whereabouts and situation and that the husband's stories were just far too incredulous and absolutely made no sense in the least bit!!!
After all - think about it - daughter runs away as a very young teen; daughter mysteriously disappears at the age of 18 (an age when she can both make her own decisions and choose to get away from her father and even bring charges against him); the (convicted rapist/arsonist) father gets a letter from daughter 1 month after her disappearance which ridiculously claims she has joined a cult and does not want to have any contact with the family - yet amazingly then later chooses (for 3 years in a row) to simply leave 3 of her newborn babies on the doorstep of very home that she tried to run away from at least 2 X's before and is "allegedly thought" to have finally left in order to join some sort of "phantom" cult (a "cult" which, unlike every other cult, just somehow, seemingly has no desire to try to indoctrinate the youth from birth, but rather it simply allows it's members to select a home - one which in fact, is both not a part of the cult AND is the very home from which the member ran in order to join the cult - to raise their babies and kids of the cult members) - ALL THE WHILE - the father forbids ANYONE to ever for ANY REASON dare to go ANYWHERE NEAR the mysterious basement (which he always keeps locked, disappears to for hours and days on end; has 'unseen' bathroom equipment installed; and has a cement-barricaded
door installed which both has a security-code and which was so complicated it needed inspection by local government authorities in order to install).
Just 2 years before the "discovery" of what this monster (and his devil wife via her complicity of silence) did to their poor child - another young girl, and former kidnap victim, was also found in Austria.
It was discovered that the other young kidnap/rape victim had disappeared 8 years earlier and had been held in a basement/dungeon where she had been repeatedly raped the entire time by the individual who had also kidnapped her.
Now - even if the public was expected to simply throw all common sense to the wind and accept this monster's devil-wife's excuse that she "didn't know", say, in the beginning... it still stands to reason that after hearing about the case of the other young girl 2 years earlier this creep's equally creepy wife would have said something to herself like, say...
Hmmm... a young girl who disappeared 8 years ago, out of no where, has been discovered to have been held in a basement the entire time and while there she was repeatedly raped by the person who trapped her there.
Hmmm... my daughter, who repeatedly tried to run away from my convicted-rapist husband as a child has also mysteriously disappeared
and my convicted-rapist husband is always coming across both 'letters' and 'grandchildren' that were allegedly left by my daughter (who has vanished without a trace) and meanwhile my convicted-rapist husband also has a mysterious basement that he keeps under lock and key and never allows anyone to come near - ever.
Hmmm... now I cannot help but to wonder if that convicted-rapist husband I married just may have had something to do with the disappearance of our daughter - and the appearance of all these grandkids and letters - and I also can't help but to wonder if that mystery-basement room of his would, in some way/in any way, be connected somehow to our child's disappearance and/or the mysterious
appearance of all of these grandchildren.
Yes - one would think that - even if this woman could have claimed 'ignorance' earlier - (a lie which, again, no one with any common sense should ever consider buying into) - once the discovery was made of a similar situation 2 years earlier - she then had NO excuse to not have at least been suspicious of something about her convicted-rapist husband and his ever-so-mysterious hidden basement room.
That vicious devil simply did not care at all about her own daughter or she simply cared more about her own creature-comforts and keeping up with her middle-class appearances than she did about the torture being done to her own child.
THAT POOR GIRL'S VILE, DISGUSTING PERVERTED MOTHER, ROSEMARIE, KNEW FULL WELL WHAT WAS GOING ON - SHE KNEW - SHE KNEW - SHE KNEW!!!
THAT DEVIL'S WIFE IS A CO-DEVIL AND A VILE PERVERT AND ONE CANNOT HELP
BUT TO TRULY HOPE THAT - SINCE SHE OBVIOUSLY FELT SOME STRANGE NEED
TO BE SO VERY LOYAL TO THAT DEVIL OF A PERVERTED CONVICTED-RAPIST
AND ARSONIST FREAK OF A HUSBAND OF HERS AND TO CHOOSE TO STAND BY
HIS SIDE FOR A QUARTER OF A CENTURY ALL THE WHILE THAT HE IMPRISONED
AND ALSO SEXUALLY AND PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY TORTURED THEIR CHILD - SHE WILL REMAINS BY HIS SIDE AS THEY BOTH BURN IN H*LL FOR ALL OF ETERNITY!!
She is clearly as much of a pervert and devil as is he!!
Would anyone even be remotely surprised if further investigation later revealed that 'Rosemarie Fritzl'(who is actually trying to
get the world to see her as a co-victim of her daughter's horrific nightmare of a life) was actually just another 'Rosemary West' (a woman whose husband also originally - and falsely - claimed that she had nothing to do with his unbelievably evil sex crimes)?
What kind of a woman, after all, chooses to marry (or remained married to) a man who had already committed and also been convicted of previously raping another woman and has shown absolutely no remorse about any of it whatsoever in the least.
SHE KNEW!!! SHE KNEW!!! SHE KNEW!!!
282 - Bleeding Heart
I completely agree with the previous comment.
SHE KNEW!! SHE KNEW!! SHE KNEW!!
In almost any case involving sexual abuse of a child the complacent equally evil partner (mainly women) know and keep their silence. This allows the abuse to continue without detection from outsiders and when the perp is finally accused they come running to their rescue and deny it and stick by their side. They are equally as evil and vile. I read about one of the sickest examples of this.
What is so astonishing to me about this particular story (Elisabeth's story) is that it is one of the most horrendous, unimaginable one of its kind. Unfreakin' believable...
I commend Elisabeth for her mind-boggling strength and faith in God. How did she manage to continue without going completely mad?? That is the question. She managed, in spite of all her suffering, to find all the love she had to give to her offspring and cared for them better than many mothers under normal circumstances would do. She has a better head on her shoulders than I think anybody else could possibly have. She has made the best decisions as far as what's best for her and her children in this aftermath. And the fact that she had a fallout with that vile, evil thing she calls mum is more proof of her sane judgment. I pray for Elisabeth and her children as well as all those suffering behind closed doors, my heart bleeds for them, but a bleeding heart is not what they need.
The perps need to be punished in a manner sufficient with their disgusting deeds. The complacent mothers need to be punished right along side them as well. And we need to address the fact that 1 out of 5 children will have been sexually abused. The idea of child sexual abuse, probably even more so for incestual abuse, is taboo. This problem needs to brought to the forefront (Kudos to Dateline for their To Catch a Predator series). And we need to bring this to the classroom and let the children know THIS IS NOT NORMAL!!!
283 - mrwjd
Icarus says, "Elisabeth completely submitted to her father after awhile, because she was so intimidated and fearful of him. Why wouldn't Rosemarie be the same?"
Elisabeth was a child, knowing nothing but parental control; Rosemarie was an adult, but more than that, she was a mother. MOST mothers will run into flames to save the child. Just because there are other mothers who allowed themselves to ignore or deny abuse of a child doesn't make it right.
Yes, fighting back would have been hard, and dangerous. But who sacrifices her child on the altar of self-protection?
284 - Deanna
I agree that rosemarie was scared. Fritzl might have threatened her life and or told her she would go to jail if she said anything. but what about when he went on 3 weeks holiday??? that would have givin her time to call the police and had him in custody before he could hurt her. The dont you dare go into the basement I would be like why not and go look when he was away. If the doors were locked I would want to know why and call a lock smith or something. She had plenty of time.
285 - Kay
The UK Telegraph is reporting that the prosecutors are possibly going to charge Josef with slavery which carries a 20 year sentence in Austria.
286 - Deanna
Kay I dont doubt that monster will spend al his next living years bahind bars ......ha hA HA HOW DOES IT FEEL MR FRITZL YOU EVIL SON OF A BITCH....ROT IN HELL HA HA HA
287 - Kay
Deanna, dear, I hope you are right. Just his being alive is a torment to his "family". He's a horrible, horrible man. I can't imagine him being let out on "good behavior" in a year....
288 - Deanna
I just wish they would turn him loose in the main jail with the other prisioners....he would get his lol......I understand there is quite a rift in that family now , understandably.
289 - Ronald Oscar Diaz
When i first heard about this i saw it on the TV on a show called "The Longest Night". It explained their situation alot better than me actually reading it on a forum or article. When the show was over i was left in shock at what this "person" did to his own flesh and blood daughter. If i was the judge that was in mr.Josef Frtzl's case i would sentence him to life in prison, and not kill him so that he wouldn't take the easy way out with just a simple death. I would like him to regret every single second of what he did to his innocent daughter, Elizabeth Frtzl. If you saw he picture at the top of this page you'll see a little girl who did not ever in her lifetime deserve such cruelty and punish like what happened to her. I cannot get that poor girl and what she went through for 24 YEARS OUT OF MY HEAD !!! If i were there in that household in 1983 before he claimed they first had sex, I (a 15 year old boy) would grab a blunt weapon and would not hesitate for a second to kill him so that his daughter Elizabeth Frtzl would not endure the torture that her father sent upon her. In conclusion I hope and pray that the day josef Fritzl died his soul when straight to the depths of HELL where he would burn for all eternity.
290 - Judy
I wonder what kind of relationship Elizabeth has with her brothers and sisters, especially now since she has tossed her mother out.
291 - Deanna
Im amazed that elisabeth was strong enough to return to the celler. I realize she was there to help the police with their investigation but wow....she is one tough cookie.I have read she is rollerblading alot and baking. good for her Im glad she is tackling life.
292 - Mary
I am glad she is not relocating to another country nor will she change her identity. So far she seems very sensible,clever and courageous as ever and She just never ceases to amaze. I'm beginning to admire her more and more each day. If you think about the ideas some of us readers have for her like wishing for her to escape that horrible place and run as far away and as quickly as possible from her horror town, shows us how clueless some of us are about life, and Elisabeth having lived in the dark for most of her life can actually see alot better than most of us fortunate ones. She is simply amazing and we all sure can learn something from this beautiful person. God bless!
293 - Deanna
Mary I agree I think she is making some very smart choices. She How ever I did read she will not change their first names but she is thinking about changing her last name and I dont think that would be a bad Idea. the name Fritzl is thought of as evil.
294 - Kay
I think it's cruel to leave the other three children with Elisabeth and the three she raised in the horrors of the cellar with Fritzl. How shocking must this be for the 3 upstairs kids! They really don't know Elisabeth or their siblings and the 4 from the cellar are so suffering from mental/emotional fatigue that it would be hard for the upstairs children to cope or understand this without being damaged themselves. I am reading that the 4 from the cellar are on mind and emotion controlling drugs (understandably) and that Kerstin was tearing her hair out (understandably!!!) and ripping her clothes and stuffing them in the toilet while in captivity by Josef! Wouldn't the three raised upstairs be better of with a foster family and back to school and their normal routine? This bothers me, if it is; in fact, true that the upstairs children are still at the clinic. It seems they are being punished for something they had no control over. How can someone in Elizabeth's condition possibly raise 6 kids?
295 - Judy
I agree Kay, it seems to me that the 3 upstairs children are now the ones in prison. I wonder why Elizabeths brothers and sisters have not come forward to help raise these children.
Keeping them locked up with Elizabeth and the 3 children from the cellar to me seems cruel, they have a lot of mental conditions that the other children could not cope with or understand.
296 - Kay
Judy,
I don't know why the siblings haven't come forward...unless Elizabeth has demanded that these upstairs children be with her and she has rights as a parent in Austria. But, what hell for these seemingly well adjusted upstairs children now to be thrown into this horrible situation! We just don't know all the facts, I'm sure.
297 - Deanna
well kay I totally agree...these upstairs kids lives are all torn apart. the man they trusted is in jail for raping their mother and they find this out one day .then elisabeth and rosemarie the only mother they have known are fighting and basically the upstairs kids parents as they knew it are gone. Now they live with this women that is their mother they have never met and find out they are of incest I mean these poor kids. Kay you also made a good point how can a woman in elisabeth's place take care of 6 kids?
basically the 20 and 19 year old kerstin and stephen are like little kids learning everthing. These kids cant ever live on their own they dont have the life skills so they are like little kids for elisabeth. what a mess Mr fritzl has made its a damn shame.
298 - Kay
Yes, Deanna, my heart goes out to those kids!
299 - Elisa Showanwald
Above all else, Elizabeth has shown the world how unecessary are obstetricians and medicine. Think of what she endured without traditional medical help with those babies, which were sent to her to keep her so damn busy and concerned, thus saved her sanity.
The vilest crime against humanity ever--in this century, the last century and the century before that!
Elizabeth is living proof that God exists.
300 - Deanna
Elisabeth is NOT proof that god exists ....first of all none of us know unless we are dead. Second of all she is very strong and I agree with you in part that she was able to go on for so long cause she had a reason to. those kids gave her a reason to live. Had she not had any kids I dont think she would have made it.I think she would have shut down and died. The lonelyness would have made her go insane.Please lets not being god into this. God is a belief for many and a faith for many but not a FACT:)
301 - Deanna
sorry that is bring not being typo
302 - boomtown
they had rats down there they said
303 - ARIEL swerf
ITS JUST A CYCLE OF ABUSE and a stream of neverending
multi faceted truths
she may have kids to live for but remember they are kids spawned from the evil man himself she must look at them with some sort of repulsion because they are an extension of him how has she dealt with that fact????
and in the way that they were conceived and how were they delivered? with no doctors? its truly amazing that any of them have survived at all im surprised they dont have more physical disabilites?? as children from insest do in some way i guess all she had to cling too was that her children were a part of her too she is a very strong woman who has had to deal with more issues from this traumatic story than we ever will have to grasp
and as for the mother ....what mother????? mother instincts were non exsistant as far as im concerned you know when your daughter is living below you you can just sense it feel thier vibrations ...and when josef comes to bed smelling of sex or takes lots of showers or creeping around the house at strange hours or suddenly things have doubled in quantity buying toys,extra food for them? where THE HELL WAS SHE???? DURING ALL THIS ? I MEAN the woman is either completly dumb or totally in DENIAL but i refuse to belive she was innocent in all this there are just to many telltale signs and poor elizabeth .....i hope she can have some sort of healthy life with all her children together
and that the abuse cycle stops here.
304 - Sandra
My mother was a terrible person who did things to me on the groungs that I had been "molested" by my father and others.
In fact, the only person who did anything to me was her. Nobody knew this stuff was going on. The picture that was presented to the public was that she was the best.
She did not do this stuff to my sister, who knew what was going on and that all this was a lie. I confronted her several times about it and she put it down to "protection". She confessed to me on her deathbed that she knew it was a lie, but she could not do anything about it because she couldn't work like I did. In fact, there was nothing wrong with her. She was just lazy.
At least, I know my mother died alone. That brings some satisfaction.
It is entirely possible that the mother did not know, especially if her husband was doing work on the house. If she did know, he could have intimidated her to the point where she was almost too scared to do anything.
305 - Eleanor
Something about Elizabeth is transcendental - she's a beacon of light for us all - I am so amazed and in awe of her strength, endurance and capacity for love for her children. I wonder whether she has any idea of her effect on the world. Re Rosemarie knowing, remember the reason we are here searching for answers on this blog is because even with knowledge of the facts this is unimaginable.
306 - Blue_Wave
Fritzl I hope you suffer the worst death you nasty old dog.