Recently I posted a real life incident that happened to me as my car was vandalized by an apparent "heterosexual hater" of traditional marriage. And it was obvious to me that the culprit was part of the gay activist crowd because of the rainbow sticker plastered over my pro-family bumper sticker.
I raised the question if the tables had been turned and I plastered a Christian or pro-traditional marriage bumper sticker over their rainbow would it be considered a hate crime. Read the story here.
Today I would like to share with you a first hand account I had at a Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network event a few years ago. I was attending this event, as a favor to a pro-family group. In essence I was incognito because GLSEN is too afraid to tape their conferences and make the contents available to the public. The reason, I believe, is because if the public actually heard the hate and intention to wreck the childhoods of innocent children themselves, then GLSEN would be shut down in a heart beat.
I attended a workshop about how to intimidate Christians on campus. And I'm not making this up. In this workshop there was an hour long discussion on how to use intimidation on the school campus in case their message was being ignored or hindered.
The case in point is using signs to promote either a gay straight alliance club or some other event promoting a homosexual tolerance event. Most schools have policies about advertising about club events, and yet the gay activists were telling this classroom of people how to get around the policies.
In fact, they encouraged tearing down Christian club signs and then plastering their gay straight alliance signs in their place. However, here is the intimidation technique they taught at the seminar.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Temple Stark
I wish you had credibility. From your previous overblown statements - and rare engagement in comment "conversation, it's going to take a long while.
2 - Lisa McKay
This isn't intended to be snarky - I'm genuinely curious, given the content of your article, as to how many educational organizations do tape their conference proceedings and make them freely available to the public?
3 - bhw
Stacy, did it ever occur to you that as a straight person, you spend an awful lot of time concentrating on what gay people are doing? Why the fascination?
4 - Dave Nalle
I'm not familiar with GLSEN, but they sound similar to a group which is active in our local high schools called OutYouth which seems to use similar tactics.
OutYouth is basically a gay recruiting group which goes into high schools and attempts to encourage kids to come out and realize they are gay, whcih certainly seem to a lot of people - especially those who believe homosexuality is a choice - like an attempt to turn kids gay.
From what I've seen, the techniques of OutYouth and the techniques of christian groups who attempt to recruit in high schools are virtually identical - form youth clubs at the school, hold rallys and events to promote their agenda, be 'in your face' with their opponents, and make sure that their adherents in the school engage in constant displays of their beliefs be it public ostentatious prayer, or flamboyantly gay behavior.
One of the big objectives of these groups seems to be to intimidate the school administration so they can have free run to promote their agenda. This is presumably because if they weren't intimidated any rational school administration would ban both types of groups from campus as disruptive.
Dave
5 - dolphin
Oh geeezzz.
I wrote a response on your other blog, thinking that you were legitimate. I can't beleive I actually felt bad for you, thinking you had your van vandalized, even though I noticed it did look like a bit of a photoshop job, then I come here and read this nonsense and you lose all your credibility.
I will be sharing the story of your bad photoshop job and your lying filth with others. Remember that when you have to lie to get at those you hate, it really only make YOU look bad.
6 - Stacy L. Harp
First of all, I usually do not comment on nonsense or anything that has nothing to do with what I've written.
Second, I don't put a lot of validity in anyone who is afraid to use their real name. See, credibility comes when someone actually isn't afraid to be known. Unlike some of you, I use my real name.
To Dave, my guess is that OutYouth is some way affiliated with GLSEN since GLSEN is the largest gay network in the schools.
Lisa, you ask a great question and I have to tell you that I don't know, but it sounds like something you can do research on yourself and then let us know. :)
And Temple...I could really carelesss if I have your approval or you think I'm credible.
7 - Nicolette Rivers
**Recently I posted a real life incident that happened to me as my car was vandalized by an apparent "heterosexual hater" of traditional marriage. **
Honey, if it's only apparent to *you* then:
a. It's not really apparent.
b. You're a frickin' genius.
Logically you cannot say the vandalism was anti-straight...just anti certain beliefs of one particular straight person. AKA you.
It was wrong. As much as I hate your knee-jerk hatred of others, they should not have done that.
That being said: I Don't Think Gay People are Stalking You. Now if you come home and find the Queer Eye guys hiding in your shower...maybe.
8 - bhw
First of all, I usually do not comment on nonsense or anything that has nothing to do with what I've written.
On the other thread, tons of comments were made about the subject of what constitutes a hate crime and what doesn't, which was one of the main points of your post. You didn't chime in on that discussion, even though it was perfectly relevant.
Second, I don't put a lot of validity in anyone who is afraid to use their real name. See, credibility comes when someone actually isn't afraid to be known.
People use pen names all the time for a variety of reasons. Credibility and anonymity aren't mutually exclusive. [Just ask Deep Throat.] But if you choose to ignore comments because you don't know the writer's name, that's your prerogative. But you'll find that on the Internet, you'll be skipping a lot of conversations.
9 - Nicolette Rivers
Stacy -
Why wouldn't you want to be perceived as credible? It would sure help people agree with your side. Really, why don't you bother if you don't want to inform and change minds?
I use a pen name because I'm too damned honest for my own good and about to be living in a very small town. You want my real name, Email me. I'll give you my hame, telephone number...whatever.
I won't burn my Elton John cds though...you can't make me! :)
10 - Lisa McKay
Lisa, you ask a great question and I have to tell you that I don't know, but it sounds like something you can do research on yourself and then let us know.
Stacy, I assumed that since you took great pains to point out that GLSEN doesn't tape their conference proceedings that you might have reason to believe that most other organizations do so. If most organizations don't do this, then GLSEN's motives certainly don't appear suspect in that regard, do they? Unless of course you just threw that in there to somehow make it seem as if GLSEN had something to hide...
11 - Dave Nalle
There's nothing about this article which lacks credibility. What Stacy describes is entirely believable. The real question is whether it's objectionable, and depending on your perspective either the GLSEN or Stacy is objectionable.
Personally I object to both of them. But I still find him credible.
Dave
12 - Nicolette Rivers
I dunno. I think it's GLSEN did what she said. If so, I don't agree with that, but considering Stacy is not above misleading people (Naming one of her entries "Lustful Sex is Good" to get readers), and cannot even go to a kid's movie (Kicking and Screaming) without fixating on the fact that there is a gay couple in the movie... Her history speaks of a zeal that is not above twisting the truth.
13 - Steve S
I've never attended a GLSEN meeting, however I do know that in our attempts to combat bullying and intimidation in schools, we have a variety of ideas and opinions on how to do so, because we are a diverse group of people. It's possible some ideas are great and some ideas are not so good.
One thing is for sure, I would never accept someone with an already established anti-gay bias as yourself, as being an accurate 'reporter' on GLSEN.
I'm still laughing too hard over the concept that you are moaning about their 'deception', which you found out about by attending their meeting 'incognito'!
Can I point out that if you go to a meeting with the perception that you are 'a hidden spy to observe', then you already bring far more baggage and prejudice to the meeting, that will only simply further distort your view on anything said there?
14 - Eric Olsen
that's perilously close to "OLSEN"
15 - bhw
I'm still laughing too hard over the concept that you are moaning about their 'deception', which you found out about by attending their meeting 'incognito'!
lol....
16 - JR
Stacy L. Harp: First of all, I usually do not comment on nonsense or anything that has nothing to do with what I've written.
bhw: On the other thread, tons of comments were made about the subject of what constitutes a hate crime and what doesn't, which was one of the main points of your post. You didn't chime in on that discussion, even though it was perfectly relevant.
She just said she doesn't (usually) respond to irrelevant comments; she didn't say she does respond to relevent comments. (After all, those are even tougher to rebut.)
17 - Nick Jones
Wonderful case study of sexual paranoia, Stacy. Thank you.
18 - Steve S
GLSEN is about educating people on the intimidation and bullying of gay and lesbian students, and working on finding a solution to the problem. GLSEN is open to all students/parents and teachers.
To find out more about this 'subversive' organization, I suggest attending a meeting. This 'deceptive' and 'infiltrating' organization is, after all, open to everybody for attendance.
19 - Margaret Romao Toigo
So? Every political movement has its radicals, extremists and nutcases.
20 - Steve S
um, if we REALLY read what Stacy wrote, when he/she is so bent out of shape about, is that the organization told people that underneath the GLSEN flyers, to put another flyer, saying 'you committed a hate crime' that people could see if the GLSEN flyer was destroyed.
Read carefully about what Stacy is so bent out of shape about. He/she is upset that GLSEN would put a sign (of their own) on top of a sign (of their own).
Oh, the inhumanity!
21 - bhw
Stacy also says that the GLSEN people instructed the attendees to tear down Christian group signs and replace them with gay alliance signs.
22 - Dave Nalle
Actually Steve, you oversimplified a bit. I believe Stacy said they tore down Christian group signs to make room for theirs and then threatened people who tore theirs down. So it was ok to tear down the christian signs, but tearing thiers down was a hate crime. That's an actual point, if the actions really took place.
Dave
23 - dolphin
But GLSEN (the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network) is most certainly NOT a radical political group. GLSEN is about preventing imitation and bullying in schools. Their focus, as implied by their name, is on gay and lesbian youth, however they have been responsible for many generic anti-bullying programs throughout the school systems and are a leading force in the fight to remove bullying and intimidation (ALL bullying and intimidation) out of our public school systems. The claims here are utterly ridiculous, and that is COMPLETELY relevant. GLSEN's website is availble for review at www.glsen.org and I would like to personalyl invite anyone who doubts this ridiculous story to visit and learn more or, as Steve suggested, simply attend a meeting on your own. Bullying should be something we can ALL agree is bad.
Finally, when you are online you are exposing yourself to all kinds of people including psychos, etc. If you think my use of a pen name reduces my credibility, so be it (though I highly suspect it wouldn't be a problem were I to agree with your point of view), but I will NOT put my family, my property and myself in danger for the sake of earning "credibility" to someone who isn't even going to honestly consider what I have to say to begin with.
24 - Steve S
Dave, no, Stacy did not say they tore down Christian signs. Stacy said they suggested that. And if they did, it was wrong of course. Hence my response of the group being made up of individuals, some with good ideas and some not so good. I addressed that already.
25 - Steve S
Dolphins are smart mammals! I suggest nobody formulate an opinion on a group that teaches anything in your public school, until you attend that group yourself. See for yourself. It's open to all. Don't buy into the propaganda that it's a subversive clandestine meeting. Hey, they may even have free doughnuts!