Hollywood At War, Then and Now - Page 2

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• 1 - Jim Carruthers

  Jan 25, 2003 at 1:43 pm

  Geez, I call bullshit. My uncle flew in Europe as a bomber pilot for nearly two years while Yanks stayed out of WWII as isolationists, charging in after all the heavy lifting had been done to take credit.
  
  Meanwhile, Americans such as Henry Ford and that rat bastard Lindberg were praising Hilter for his efficiency.
  
  And after the war was over, the US scrambled to get as many Nazi rocket scientists as they could, the OSS let organized crime get back to business.
  
  If anything, anti-war means anti-dictatorship, since the US has defaulted on any meaningful participation by its citizens.

• 2 - Jim Carruthers

  Jan 25, 2003 at 2:22 pm

  I should also temper that comment by noting Los Angeles is the fourth largest city in Canada.

• 3 - Eric Olsen

  Jan 25, 2003 at 2:43 pm

  Jim, I am slowly coming to the sad conclusion that you are anti-American, since on every possible question you take the anti-American position.
  
  Re WWll, it took some time to convince the politicians that this was "America's war" - everyone was scarred by WWl, but how can you possibly say Americans didn't do any "heavy lifting"? That is preposterous. And "take all of the credit," rather than taking credit, I think everyone was pretty well concentrating on winning the war.
  
  There is always a legitimate "alternative view" and then there is slander. What has America ever done to you? Your animus just doesn't make any sense to me.

• 4 - Ed Driscoll

  Jan 25, 2003 at 3:08 pm

  Eric and Jim,
  
  Geez, I was convinced somebody was going to jump all over this piece with "babykiller"-type cliches, because of the photo of Stewart in Vietnam.
  
  But I didn't expect anybody to question the guy serving in WWII.
  
  Ed

• 5 - Jim Carruthers

  Jan 25, 2003 at 4:15 pm

  Jim, I am slowly coming to the sad conclusion that you are anti-American, since on every possible question you take the anti-American position.
  
  
  Oh give me a slice of big break pie you sad sorry bunch of hypocrites.
  
  I'm not anti-American, I have relatives in the States (like my uncle Roy who told me in Detroit to keep the window in the car rolled up so the niggers (and I'd never even heard that word before) don't get to me) yeah, that was an education on what 'murrica was all about, Detroit in the 70s.
  
  Where is the real look at history? AT&T via Argentina aided Germany via the 40s, the US disregarded the deathcamp experience of German rocket scientists during the late 40s, the US government carried out nuclear experiments on their own population during the 50s, and so on.
  
  Your government continues to draw your freedoms tighter and tighter, and you just rally behind a hopped up fratboy.
  
  

• 6 - Jim Carruthers

  Jan 25, 2003 at 4:35 pm

  I should point out my US relatives literally live in trailer parks, literally serve in the US Navy, literally drive pick up trucks, and literally keep booze in the freezer.

• 7 - Jim Carruthers

  Jan 25, 2003 at 4:44 pm

  So what is interesting that my uncle Bill "Sparky" who spent two years flying over Europoe from 39 to 41, gets no love from you sad bastards.
  
  And I'm the asshole.

• 8 - Ed Driscoll

  Jan 25, 2003 at 5:04 pm

  Jim,
  
  You're shadow-boxing. Nobody's called you an asshole, and I for one am glad that your uncle served in Europe. But I do think your hyperbole in the posts prior to that one are waaaay overblown: to say that America charged into World War II "after all the heavy lifting had been done to take credit", both slanders by omission the 2000 dead men at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, as well as our efforts in organizing D-Day (where yes, many, many fine Canadian and British soldiers died along with American GIs).
  
  If you want to defend anti-war protestors as being patriotic, that's fine--and that's a legitimate debate. But you've zigzagged so far off that path that you appear to be proving the very comments that Eric made above.
  
  Ed

• 9 - Bill Sherman

  Jan 25, 2003 at 5:08 pm

  If I could jump in the midst of this, I'd like to respectfully take issue with Frum's assertion (linked to and implicity supported by Ed) that to be anti-war is to automatically be pro-Saddam. I haven't been combing the media for isolated stoopid statements from leftie celebs (I'm sure you can find 'em, though we don't get any specifics from this NRO column), but the anti-war folks I know are equally appalled by Hussein - they just aren't convinced that war is the route to take. So Frum can't "stomach" the sight of an active opposition. Damn, but this democracy business is a pain in the gut. . .

• 10 - Jim Carruthers

  Jan 25, 2003 at 5:20 pm

  both slanders by omission the 2000 dead men at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, as well as our efforts in organizing D-Day (where yes, many, many fine Canadian and British soldiers died along with American GIs).
  
  which was totally after the fact you big tool

• 11 - Jim Carruthers

  Jan 25, 2003 at 5:53 pm

  What really burns my bisquits is the murricans trying to charge into the battle after the fact and trying to claim the credit. There was a war for two years and you sat it out.
  
  You just tried to decide who you would side with, Hitler or the Brits.
  
  To say you did the right thing based on principles is a lie.
  

• 12 - Jim Carruthers

  Jan 25, 2003 at 6:52 pm

  Let me clarify. When I say I'm not an American, that is what I mean. Geez do you have a self-image problem or what? I'm a Canadian, I've had to put up with decades of self image problems you people can't even imagine. You literally can't imagine.
  
  You are bullies who don't fight your own wars (and yes, I know Candadians who fought in Vietnam), you are so self-absorbed, you don't even know your own history.
  
  Geez, if you had a tenth of the self knowledge you need, it would be great.
  
  

• 13 - Jim Carruthers

  Jan 26, 2003 at 12:37 pm

  Remember, angry and incoherent is the only way to discuss politics, otherwise "they" have won.
  
  Also "Duck Soup" was on teevee last week, and if you want a Hollywood take on war, it's the one I'm going with.

• 14 - Dave Wellman

  Jan 29, 2003 at 12:15 am

  I read in your site about B/G Jimmy Stewart flying a B-52F on a dangerous bombing mission over NVN. This would have been in 1966 and it was an Arc-Light Mission to a target in SVN. He flew with a crew from Columbus AFB, GA and my friend Lee Meyers was the Co-Pilot on that crew. Stewart was quiet during the briefing and during the flight. He borrowed my flight jacket, as he didn't have any flight gear with him, being a reservist.
  
  Dave Wellman
  (Then Captain, USAF: 320th Bomb Wing, Mather AFB, California, assigned to Anderson AFB, Guam)

• 15 - Eric Olsen

  Jan 29, 2003 at 12:02 pm

  Thanks Dave, honored to hear from you!

• 16 - Ed Driscoll

  Jan 30, 2003 at 2:29 am

  Dave,
  
  I just saw your post--thanks for the information!
  
  Regards,
  
  Ed

• 17 - John OBrien

  Mar 29, 2003 at 10:15 am

  Has anyone seen an essay, I recieved it in e mail and unfortunately deleted it. It's an anti-celebrity-war piece. Something about "there we no celebrties treading the flaming waters at Pearl Harbor or serving as human shields in front of the World Trade Center...." If anyone has it or knows where I could get it, would you please e mail me.