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26 - Dr Dreadful
Roadie,
Prehaps what you should be sreaching for is the spellchecker on your comoputor. Beeng abel to spel is a grand way of liff.
Having wrestled through your comments I must admit to a certain sense of relief when I saw that you had managed to spell 'Jesus Christ' correctly.
27 - Jordan Richardson
The problem with man,is that we try to make something out of nothing.
And with that, Roadie has explained religion.
28 - Roadie
Jordan,
Faith.............
29 - Christopher Rose
Roadie,
Gullibility.............
30 - Roadie
Christopher Rose,
I'm sorry that you see me as being Gullible.But as for me and my house.We will serve the lord.You can do as you please.God gave everyone that choice
God bless you.
31 - Roadie
Dreadful,
Thanks for the input.Sorry,that you had to work
so hard to get through it.
32 - Roadie
Doug Delong,
Doug,in a note to Baritone.You said,I guess you could call me a skeptic. Why is that?And where do you stand now?By the way,I'm not down on you.Just wanting to know where you stand.
Thanks.
33 - Doug DeLong
Roadie,
Thanks for jump-starting a year-old conversation.
And where do you stand now?
I stand where I stood a when I wrote this piece. I don't believe in God, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy. I'm of the Bill Maher school of thought when it comes to religion. Having been immersed in the Christian faith throughout my childhood, it has been quite a journey for me to arrive at this place. But if you'll allow me to quote scripture, I believe it was Paul who said, "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
I think a person can choose to believe either that the world is run by rational, scientific principles or that the world is run by superstitious, mythological principles. I don't believe in God for the same reason that I don't believe in astrology (although there are some who believe that Christian principles were derived from astrological principles).
The fact that pretty much the whole Christian story was borrowed from previous pagan religions tells me that there is nothing authentic about it. It's a copy-cat religion. But the deal-breaker for me is the whole HELL thing. God's gonna torture me and burn me forever if I don't sign up for his team?? Gimme a break. But of course HELL was not invented by Christians, either. They just tweaked the concept.
But of course, I'm not gonna tell you what to believe. If you want to insist that your imaginary friend lives in your heart and guides your every waking (and sleeping) moment, go for it. But I think the kind of folks who are attracted to religion are folks who feel like they need to have some higher authority to tell them what to do. I have enough self-confidence to live my life to the fullest, without worrying about what religious "rules" I might be breaking or what "sins" I might be committing.
So if you're asking me what I believe in, I guess I believe in me.
34 - Roadie
Baronius,
You responded to a note to Strappado.You stated that your an atheist.You went on to say that your horrified.(Not of hell)But because of Christianity I mean no disrespect to you.I don't know you, but god does.Because he created all things upon the earth.Therefore if I was a atheist.I would be horrified as well.For it is written,in Isaiah 45:23 every knee shall bow and every tongue shall swear.Here's something to help you get over your horror.And fears.(Romans 10:9-13)
Just remember,your life is your own.How you live it is between you and god only.No one is to judge another.I'm not judge you,at all. However God does tell us to share.So I thought,I would share with you. You don't have to be horrified,of christianity god love's you. But hell is no laughing matter. He love's you so much,that he gave his only be gotten son.To die for our sins.Then he arose again on the third day.Luke 24:1-8.(For he's real,and he's alive.)..Isn't that's wonderful..One on one were no match for the enemy.But by the blood of
Jesus.Were set free.Glory to God.Well take care and God bless you. Have a nice day.
35 - Roadie
Doug Delong,
Thanks for writing.Interesting,but I'm standing on God's word.I don't agree with you.But I respect you,for who you are.Again thank you for answering that for me.Take care..........
36 - Jordan Richardson
Doug and Chris pretty much sum this up. Also, GodTube makes me want to vomit.
37 - Ruvy
Doug,
I frankly think it was a hellish thing that Roadie did, raising this comment thread up from the dead as though it were one of the righteous....
But now that you decided to show up on it, I had to repeat to you that I strongly feel that if Jerry Falwell got into heaven, the G-d I believe in has far worse taste than I had given Him credit for, or more likely a far sharper sense of humor. Our sages do say that there are levels in heaven, and I suppose that if Falwell is there, he is hanging on by a wisp of an angel's wing to the very lowest level.
I'm happy for Roadie that he found the flavor lollipop he likes, and I guess I'm happy for you that you are eschewing them rather than chewing on them unhappily.
The deal breaker on Christianity for me, is that, like Islam, many of its adherents feel they need to shove their lollipop down my throat. It appears that the kosher lollipop I have is just not good enough in their eyes for me to have - they feel I need the "perfected" version.
Fortunately, in the gated community I live in, such disturbances are not tolerated.
As for the hell business, ask any Jew who knows his history and his Bible (actually, that's not too many of us - plenty of us know our history, but fall down woefully on the Bible part). The Bible mentions Sheol, so I guess there is some kind of hell involved. But most of us realize full well the extent that hell has come to the world we live in, and those of us who are believers want out of the World of Lies (and all of its Christian and Moslem proselytizers, not to mention the Church Militant of the Atheists) and seek the World of Truth.
It's a whole different way of looking at things, and frankly, more interesting, if nothing else, than anything agnosticism or atheism has to offer. Having sampled both of THOSE lollipops, I know.
But I'm not preaching here. Jews are supposed to be a priestly people, ministering to the Children of Noah (that's you guys), so if all of you join the priesthood, who will we minister to? It doesn't mention unemployment benefitrs in the Bible, so G-d evidently Expects us to have someone to help out when the time comes. It's that old problem of having all chiefs and no Indians.
But I digress....
I suggest politely that Reality may not be what it seems to be, nor even what the boys in the white lab coats have it cracked up to be, and when in the Plan of the Almighty, Reality, the World of Truth, becomes more evident, it may be a lot harder for most folks to handle than they imagine.
Shouting, "Jesus! Jesus!", (or "Einstein! Einstein!") probably just will not do. In fact, I suspect, it will be quite INSUFFICIENT.
Have a good Wednesday.
Blessings from the mountains of Samaria.
38 - Jet
So far Roadie, all I see here is what you SAY god says. In other words we should revere you as God's messenger of today's faith, and that only your interpretation of the holy scriptures is true.
Is that what I'm getting here from you?
We should respect and obey you because God speaks to us through you?
and only you?
39 - Jet
So far Ruvy, all I see here is what you SAY god says. In other words we should revere you as God's messenger of today's faith, and that only your interpretation of the holy scriptures is true. Am I also to understand that no one is more knowledgable on this subject?
Is that what I'm getting here from you ruvy?
We should respect and obey you because God speaks to us through you?
and only you?
40 - Jet
Is there a really good reason why a Muslim dating service is running ads in our sidebar?
41 - Ruvy
Ah, you're awake, Jet.
All I did was make a polite suggestion - nothing more. I like you and all, but it is not my problem if you like that suggestion, or agree, or disagree. That's what free will is all about.
Given that I'm one of the more ignorant Jews running around, I certainly do not expect you to take MY word for anything.
I've raged on angrily about things elsewhere, so you're entitled to if you wish. But please do not confuse me with some Bible-thumping proselytizer. There are no flies in my beard - I haven't got the beard for them to hang around in.
42 - Dr Dreadful
The deal breaker on Christianity for me, is that, like Islam, many of its adherents feel they need to shove their lollipop down my throat.
Which is actually one of the things I find most appealing about Judaism: the value placed on minding one's own business...
Nevertheless, there's shoving the lollipops and there's politely handing them out.
I grew up in a highly multicultural area of South London. Saturday afternoons would see all the evangelicals, of the various faiths, lined up along the main shopping street trying to convert you. The difference was in how they went about it.
Unlike the Christians who would pace up and down yelling at and threatening everyone, or the Hare Krishnas who'd chase you around until you gave in and bought their damn book, the Muslims just quietly set up a table with a display of Qu'rans and pamphlets, in a reasonably visible spot, and waited for people to come to them. And they did. I respected them for that.
You'd think that the others would have at least started to wonder why everyone pretended they weren't there...
43 - Ruvy
the Muslims just quietly set up a table with a display of Qu'rans and pamphlets, in a reasonably visible spot, and waited for people to come to them. And they did. I respected them for that.
You'd think that the others would have at least started to wonder why everyone pretended they weren't there...
It would have been nice if that fellow who shot the 8 yeshiva students in the Yeshiva Mercaz haRav had been so peaceful - or that other fellow who had killed 3 people with a bulldozer had been so peaceful....
They might have merited respect instead of the deaths they got - and deserved....
44 - Christopher Rose
Doug, well done on your patience and the well written response to our latest determinedly superstitious visitor.
Ruvy, you talk utter nonsense as usual, but I was amused by two of your latest remarks:-
1. "The deal breaker on Christianity for me, is that, like Islam, many of its adherents feel they need to shove their lollipop down my throat."
You have been shoving your particular bitter lollipop of lies down our throats for years and achieved nothing apart from making yourself and your cause look foolish.
2. "It's a whole different way of looking at things, and frankly, more interesting, if nothing else, than anything agnosticism or atheism has to offer. Having sampled both of THOSE lollipops, I know."
Yes, of course, YOU know, but we all don't. Your weird faith may possibly be more "interesting", if only in the same sense that going the long way round to anywhere might be more interesting than the direct route. Still fairly pointless unless you have a lot of time to waste though.
You seem to have far too much time on your hands, which may explain why you are putting so much effort into trying to sustain your position. That and the constant ego gratification you keep awarding yourself of course.
45 - Ruvy
but I was amused by two of your latest remarks
I'm so happy that I could be of some amusement to the Vicar of the Atheist Church Militant. Your Vicarship, I exist but to entertain....
[Ruvy bows graciously, waving kippa as though it were a fedora]
You seem to have far too much time on your hands...
Your Vicarship, your humble servant works on the computer, and it requires his presence for long eye-straining hours.... 'Tis but a small morsel of bread and cheese (kosher of course), but it suffices.
46 - Christopher Rose
Ruvy, your continuous attempts to cast me as an atheist and atheism as a religion are deeply offensive to my beliefs. Your mock humility is just simply offensive.
47 - Jet
I think they call it secular humanism nowadays Chris.
48 - Ruvy
You see, Chris, you have taught me well. No personal attacks. Offensive and insulting as all hell, but no personal attacks.
This is the meat of the document that deals with "Comments Policy" written by Eric Olsen some time ago.
Please think of the comments as a conversation between individuals and interact with civility.
We will edit/delete spam comments, duplicate comments, unsupported accusations, personal attacks of any kind, and terms offensive to groups when used in a pejorative manner.
In addition, we reserve the right to edit/delete comments that are some combination of pointlessly vulgar, vile, cruel, without redeeming qualities, and an embarrassment to the site.
Subjective? Yes, but we know them when we see them and so do you.
We also ask that you not post comments under multiple names, and it is grounds for immediate banning to comment under someone else's name.
We will also ban repeat or particularly egregious offenders.
So, let's go through Mr. Olsen's policy point by point. We'll start from the bottom.
No multiple names used? Check
No using someone else's name? Check
Stating that someone is an atheist when he vwehemently denies the validity of religions believing in G-d. Could be disagreeable and offensive, but atheist is the common and standard term used in the English language for such an individual. Calling someone who could reasonably be defined as an atheist a "Vicar of the Atheist Church Militant" when he characterizes the words of a believer (in Christianity) "in your case near illiterate - drivel spouted by people who can't actually think for themselves"? This may be offensive to said "vicar", but entirely within the bounds of reason as well as humor (appeal to the atheist, Dan Miller, a retired attorney).
Therefore, no personal attacks engaged in? Check
No unsupported accusation? Check
No term offensive to a group? Check
No duplicate comment? Check
No pointlessly vulgar terms that are vile, cruel or without redeeming qualities? Check
Now Chris, we get to the meat of the matter. No matter what I say here, I try to treat the matter as a conversation I might be having with a person, and I try to be civil. I do not always succeed. But I do try.
I suggest you do the same.
Have a pleasant evening.
49 - Christopher Rose
Ruvy, there are many things I could teach you and, indeed, many things I'd like to teach you. Unfortunately, with regard to most of them, your mind is a closed book and the exercise would be both fruitless and pointless.
Ignoring the bulk of your verbose comment on the grounds of lack of relevancy, I offer this: atheist is the word used by theist culture, which is by and large the mainstream, if not the majority.
I am not part of that mainstream and, in my circles, the word atheist is not really used. Casting people who have transcended the need for the dubious ego re-inforcement of organised religion as atheist is simply an attempt by that mainstream but, to my mind, misguided group to frame the conversation to their advantage.
As I have said to you before, there is no word for people who don't believe in astrology, which, to my way of thinking, carries as much credibility as theism and I fail to see why we need one to describe people who have matured beyond the primitive and regressive thinking you support.
As I said above, your transparent and feeble attempts to cast reason as religion is deeply offensive to my beliefs and I would thank you not to make such entirely unfounded remarks.
If you genuinely believe that you are being civil in terms of your general commenting behaviour, as opposed to the guise of reasonableness you have chosen to adopt here, then I can only conclude that other people who have access to your computer are commenting in your name, for I have seen many unreasonable, obsessive and hate filled remarks made under your name.
I try very hard to be understanding of as wide a range of perspective as possible, but it is very challenging indeed to extend the hand of tolerance towards people who are clearly only interested in their own or their own clique's advancement and aggrandizement at the expense of others, particularly when it is cast in the apocalyptic and pompously overblown terms you so often adopt.
I would, therefore, reject your self-serving scorecard above as, once again, you seek to whitewash yourself.
50 - Ruvy
Ignoring most of your verbosde comment as irrelevant, let's go to the dictionary:
Main Entry: -----athe·ist
Pronunciation: ------ˈā-thē-ist
Function:-----noun
Date:-----1551
: one who believes that there is no deity
" athe·is·tic ˌā-thē-ˈis-tik or athe·is·ti·cal Listen to the pronunciation of atheistical ˌā-thē-ˈis-ti-kəl adjective
" athe·is·ti·cal·ly -ti-k(ə-)lē adverb
one who believes that there is no deity
That sums up your stated beliefs in one simple sentence.
Sorry if that's offensive to you, but there it is.
51 - Christopher Rose
Ruvy, surprisingly, your faithist thinking seems to be blinding you. There are many words that have become or are becoming obsolete. It is no revelation to see that this word was coined in 1551, when religion was more central to people's thinking than it is today.
Furthermore, the fact that the word actually exists has no relevance to the fact that I find it offensive, just as you find certain euphemisms for the word Jew offensive.
Once again, you are letting your ego override your understanding. At least you are predictable and consistent, albeit misguided.
52 - Jet
All right already Ruvy and Chris-which one of you is Yoda and which one is Luke?
53 - Ruvy
Yoda any day I'll take, and leave Chris to have Luke, with the pretty girls and good lines - and Roman name.
The guys who wrote Star Wars were clearly up on their Sumerian and Hebrew. Yoda, the wise one, corresponds to the Hebrew yéda, knowledge. Anakin Skywalker corresponds to the 'anakím (Hebrew for giants) who were in the sky, according to the Sumerians, and called Anunaki.
54 - Mark Saleski
ok, i have to say something about this, though i'll skip the star wars references because i hated those movies.
anyway...yes, while i'm not offended by the word, i do disagree with those who seem to think that atheism is some sort of religion. it's not. oh sure, there are atheist organizations out there but i suspect the tiny minority of atheists care about them (or are even aware of them).
when i think of what i believe, and 'believe' is a loaded word here, it's mostly that a deity and the activities associated with such a thing play absolutely no role whatsoever in my life...at all. i don't even think of such things until i run into things like this post.
there's no way to be sure, but i do think that a majority of atheists are in this camp.
55 - Matthew T. Sussman
"There is no word for people who don't believe in astrology"
Fucking sigh. One more go-around on this.
There may be no word for people who don't believe in astronomy, because, well, there just isn't. You want one? Is that what this is all about? Not a problem. How about: "azodiac." There. Call up the dictionary guys. It'll go along just fine with the other words we have for people who don't do certain things:
• Believe in religion (atheist)
• Have sex (asexual, celibate)
• Eat meat (vegetarian)
• Drink (teetotaler)
• Smoke (nonsmoker)
• Work (unemployed)
• Go in public (antisocial)
Most of those words describe the mean, or what was the mean at a certain point in history. Many of the antonyms are derived from the historical mean, and that's just how it is. Most people don't smoke. Yet many flights are nonsmoking. I for one am outraged.
The fact that the word "atheist" offends you is pretty much your own problem, will not be rectified in your lifetime, and probably will not even be addressed by even the most extreme PC police. You're an atheist. An awesome, friendly, atheist. You atheist you.
" It is no revelation to see that this word was coined in 1551"
What are you saying? Ditch every word not coined later than the 16th century? That'll leave us with "w00t" and "phonograph."
You're a smart individual with good sensibilities. Please, pick your battles. Atheist.
56 - Mark Saleski
That'll leave us with "w00t" and "phonograph."
remember though , back then it would have been "wOOte".
57 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
Brother Saleski has spoken a mighty truth...AMEN!!
Just Kidding. But seriously, people only use the word "Atheist" to have a label for something which is useful when you talk about a portion of the population that doesn't think about or believe in a deity.
Sure, I could be wrong about not believing in God but do I want to spend the only life I have living by some crazy rules that came from a book that doesn't have any evidence to back it up??
For fuck's sake,I don't see people worshiping Zeus anymore..
We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. -Richard Dawkins
58 - Christopher Rose
Matt, and you're a septic tank. So there!
And it is astrology not astronomy. Tell you what, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen and go play rugby!
Loser!
5 bonus points if you can detect a sense of humour. You do know what that is, right?
59 - Christopher Rose
Mark, I think you mean phonographe, lol.
Brian, where I live, as in most of Europe, which is still the most civilised part of the world, theists are firmly in the minority, so atheist is increasingly a peripheral term. I think it is more useful to promote the word faithist, which hasn't even made most dictionaries yet, to describe those that still suffer from the god delusion.
60 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
Fuck all them Atheist,Asexual,Vegetarian,Teetotaling,Nonsmoking,Unemployed,Antisocial Fucks!!
61 - Christopher Rose
Word!
62 - Dr Dreadful
Ach, Gott (und ich wähle hier äußerst genau meine Wörter) in Himmel...
63 - Matthew T. Sussman
Mistype on the astro(nom-log)y, but the point is made.
And I find "loser" offensive, because it assumes that the majority of people "win," which is obviously a minority group of people and dwindling. Considering the word "loser" was probably invented by a Christian ideologue 12-year-old bully whose parents yelled at each other every night, it holds no water in today's forward thinking society.
64 - El Bicho
Ruvy and Chris going round in circles about religion. Is it Wednesday already?
I hope no Germans read Dread's comment. I believe he just typed out the Deadliest Joke In The World.
65 - Jet
I love on-line translators, according to it, he said... oh , god ( and self eligible here meticulous mine vocabulary ) in sky.
Oh
well that certainly cleared that up, now didn't it?
66 - Brian aka Guppusmaximus
Jet, I'm not certain which translator you used but I got this translation from Google:
"Oh, God (and I choose my words very carefully) into the sky.
I don't know my German historical literature,so, I'm just as confused...
67 - Dr Dreadful
Jet, you might want to have Brian tell you which online translator he uses.
Then again, yours is probably more fun.
Really? You're both confused? Ach, Gott in Himmel...
68 - Jet
Yeah, if it translates it accurately, what's the fun in that?
or
Ja , falls es übersetzt es genau , welches die Spaß in jene?
69 - Dr Dreadful
As Mr Schannon might say:
Oy, vey.
70 - kara
hellooo
71 - adam
I found the whole video funny, I watched both of them. I personally think they are sorry ass ways to make people believe in God. and it makes God look like some crazy person. Believe in me or die! Thats not true at all.. I dont like to be placed in the category "christian" because that would imply that I am a wacko.. I am a Christian, because I understand what it is we need to do.. I dont care if you believe or dont. Its your choice to do so.. and I dont try to scare you into believing, because its your choice to do so..! good luck on you post, I do enjoy reading them Doug.. Take care bro