Courtney Love, 41, has once again slithered through the jailhouse bars (although this time it took a full tub of Crisco - note pic).…
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26 - Scott Butki
I didn't forget Celebrity Skin - I didn't care for it. I thought it far inferior to Live Through This.
If you ever want to see another, even uglier, side to Love and trip through some unusual conspiracy theories rent the documentary Kurt and Courtney.
27 - Mike Hunt
in her wasted life, she has achieved far more then most of us ever will... shes reached and positivly influenced millions of people - and im sure even you wouldnt wish a child to loose her mother
Frances Bean Cobain would be better off being raised by a pack of wolves than that junkie whore of a mother, who neither provides the proper guidance or role model example a child deserves. I don't know who these millions of people are you refer to, but if they must look to a loser like Ms. Love to be "positively impacted," then they must be equally losers as well. Drug addiction is no achievement. Being a "pop star" is no achievement as well. A lot of people can sing and play guitar, so what? She never would have been famous without first latching on to Cobain.
If society as a whole would wise up and reject and villify people like this, instead of deifying them, we'd all be much stronger and wiser.
are u a republican by any chance ?
No, I am an independent conservative. Why is party affiliation important enough for you to ask?
28 - Liberal
"independent conservative."
your oxymoron for the day.
29 - Experiments in Living
I think Flash pretty much summarised everything i was trying to say = )
" If society as a whole would wise up and reject and villify people like this, instead of deifying them, we'd all be much stronger and wiser "
ok quick question for you:
1. in terms of social engeneering, does villifying people actually send out a postive message ? Or does it just result in an alienated underclass who instead of feeling like help is within reach - are loathed (both by themselves, and by the society that is suppposed to look out for them) ?
and as a bonus question - how do you think this will effect things like health costs...
" If you ever want to see another, even uglier, side to Love and trip through some unusual conspiracy theories rent the documentary Kurt and Courtney. "
oh no - not the courtney killed kurt thing !!! look - if someone wants to write an article on that and kick start a discussion, i will gladly rebut every ' argument ' presented FACT
" I didn't forget Celebrity Skin - I didn't care for it. I thought it far inferior to Live Through This "
Key word.... Subjective = P
" No, I am an independent conservative. Why is party affiliation important enough for you to ask? "
Ah I kinda guessed the conservative bit, no real reason, well I meant it as a subtle dig if im going to be honest = P *comment made as much in jest as anything else
" Frances Bean Cobain would be better off being raised by a pack of wolves than that junkie whore of a mother, who neither provides the proper guidance or role model example a child deserves. "
ok.... so whats that based on ? from everything ive heard francis is a healthy kid, who is set up to do really well, courtney has protected her from the media - and gone out of her way to make sure she has a good education, your rebutal ?
" I don't know who these millions of people are you refer to, but if they must look to a loser like Ms. Love to be "positively impacted," then they must be equally losers as well. Drug addiction is no achievement. Being a "pop star" is no achievement as well. "
There is so much to take on there = D
Hole were an extenstion of the riot grrrl movement - it wasnt just about playing the guitar and angst, hole were a band who represented a lot more then that to their fans.. they were empowering
" She never would have been famous without first latching on to Cobain."
yeah - but thats only because how sexist the industry is = P
30 - Matthew T. Sussman
So, let me get this straight:
The following are to blame for the spectacle that is Courtney Love:
The following are not to blame for the spectacle that is Courtney Love:
Sounds like the logic Republicans use to exonerate Bush on the war in Iraq.
31 - Mike Hunt
does villifying people actually send out a postive message ? Or does it just result in an alienated underclass...
First of all, Love is not the member of a social underclass. She represents a negative behavioral archetype and a rather disgusting and unwholesome one at that.
She is materially wealthy but bereft of scruples, personal decency, and self control. Just because she can pay for a private education and a nice house to for her daughter to live in does not make her a proper parent. Proper parenting entails a whole lot more, such as exhibiting behavior your child can model after. Love is a piss poor role model. Proper parental role models don't let strangers squeeze their breasts in public. Proper parental role models don't abuse drugs and commit habitual misdemeanor offenses. She is the poster child for everything that is wrong with an overly tolerant and non-judgmental pop culture that places highly personally flawed celebrities on pedestals.
As for Love's true character, one only needs to listen to the interview given by her father in the Kurt and Courtney film. He says everything you need to know, especially the part about her stripper/prostitution experience. She is truly garbage wrapped in skin, to say the least
32 - adam
Jeez,so she has drug problems, like thousands of others. If the government would just let people do their drugs and screw up their own lives the way they want, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
33 - Mike Hunt
Unfortunately, adam, such a permissive view fails to consider the toll drug abuse takes on OTHER people associated with the abuser.
34 - Experiments in Living
Mathew: I didn't actually say any of that ? Courtney is ultimately responsible. What I said is that sexism is the reason that Courtney's band were less likely to be picked up on pre Kurt. That the media should be focusing on making people understand the realities of addiction, and the outdated practices in rehab centers. Not vilification. And that the republican ' lets make sure everything has a moral overtone to it ' mentality doesn't help matters.
Mike: You've mis represented my point. No where did I state that Courtney was a member of the underclass. I was responding to a specific point you were making about ' junkie / whores ' when you said:
" If society as a whole would wise up and reject and vilify people like this, instead of deifying them, we'd all be much stronger and wiser."
And what I tried to demonstrate was how negative that attitude was. I feel that you have yet to respond.
" She is the poster child for everything that is wrong with an overly tolerant and non-judgmental pop culture that places highly personally flawed celebrities on pedestals. "
Overly tollerent ? I'm all for pop culture, whether its tatu / the pet shop boys making homosexuality less of a taboo, or Madona making people realise that masterbation isnt so bad... or Kurt Cobain making people aware of depression.
" Just because she can pay for a private education and a nice house to for her daughter to live in does not make her a proper parent. Proper parenting entails a whole lot more, such as exhibiting behavior your child can model after. "
Surely the only way you can tell if Courtney is a good parent is by looking at Francis. if she comes across as well balanced, and performing well for her age, then at the very least, Courtney's parenting hasn't been a huge handicap.
" As for Love's true character, one only needs to listen to the interview given by her father in the Kurt and Courtney film. He says everything you need to know, especially the part about her stripper/prostitution experience. She is truly garbage wrapped in skin, to say the least "
You're point about breast squeezing doesn't make sense? Courtney isn't afraid of her body, and when that act is being committed - it isn't sexual, and it isnt her being degraded, and it isn't performed in front of her child anyway.
I would also highly question the accuracy of the Kurt / Courtney film as a source.
35 - Eric Olsen
like I said, there is sympathy and there is enabling: at 41, with a 13 year-old daughter, it is time for HER to make up her mind to change her life. No one else can do it
36 - Scott Butki
Are you sure on that age for her child? Either it's been longer than I thought since Cobain died - has it been 10 years already? - or that number is off.
37 - Scott Butki
Just checked Wikipedia and I was wrong.
She is 13.
Man, i'm gettng old! I remember the controversy about Love taking drugs while pregnant with Bean like it was just last year.
38 - Eric Olsen
time flies, unless it doesn't
39 - DJRadiohead
Before we blame men and the media for poor Courtney, let's keep this in mind...
Robert Downey Jr. and Scott Weiland both finally had to do actual time in jail (not rehab) for their drug offenses. I do not know if Courtney has gotten more chances at cleaning up or fewer than either of those two men did but it has to be getting close. And if I remember correctly the media were there to give these train wrecks plenty of coverage.
I don't think Courtney Love is a victim.
40 - Tellis
How disgusting that a man (Courtney had a sex change, there is viable proof) claimed to be married to this icon, after they (the COG cult) murdered him in 1990. Geffen (and his boyfriend Pitt, who was snogging Love too) helped "it" steal Cobain's songs and record them with her group. It is a mockery of talent and goodness. Courtney Love, your life is in ruins and soon you will be dead. As will everyone involved in the sacrafice of Kurt Cobain.
This is not Kurt Cobain's child, he had no children! Frances Bean belongs to Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt (yes, they knew each other long before they married). She is idenical to her parents, and strangly, ever whore Hollywood has ever produced. She is hideous.
Kurt had unearthly crystal colored eyes, that demon's eyes are grey just like it's real father, Brad.
Kurt Cobain was murdered in 1990, later Courtney Love (whose real mother is actually "Wendy" who falsly claims to be Cobain's mother) was paid-off to pretend to be married and have a child, all so that the Hollywood 3 could share in the reported 6 billion Nirvana has thus far grossed. Geffen was delighted by all of this, helping Courtney with her transgendering (She was once a male). The hundreds (no doubt thousands) that were and are involved in this horrid Sacrafice are paying-with their lives! Oh, how they shall pay for those crimes.
We love you Kurt.
Kurt Cobain was murdered in 1990, later Courtney Love (whose real mother is actually "Wendy" who falsly claims to be Cobain's mother) was paid-off to pretend to be married and have a child, all so that the Hollywood 3 could share in the reported 6 billion Nirvana has thus far grossed. Geffen was delighted by all of this, helping Courtney with her transgendering (She was once a male). The hundreds (no doubt thousands) that were and are involved in this horrid Sacrafice are paying-with their lives! Oh, how they shall pay for those crimes.
We love you Kurt.
It is just another Cult admission of guilt, a silly one at that (there is no G-d, and no jesus, but those are the cults false idols).
Just a hyme, a crust of bread thrown on the trail of murderers...
41 - Bob A. Booey
Do they have good food on your home planet, Tellis?
Ixnay on the Dama-ay Oldberg-gay.
That is all.
42 - Eric Olsen
BAB, are you one of those who travels to eat? I enjoy native cuisine wherever I go
43 - Bob A. Booey
Absolutely, my friend. I can't stand when my company on trips wants to eat at some chain restaurant or something. I ALWAYS want to go to some local diner or restaurant with flavor, whether it's barbeque or seafood or whatever the local specialty is.
I'm pretty adventurous with food and I've had some of my best dining experiences during travel by asking around where the best places to eat are.
I'm a minor-league foodie at home, but there's something more fun about eating with the salt-of-the-Earth folks when you're in completely different surroundings.
That is all.