“The NRA is not coming to Columbus in 2007. The convention is canceled because last week your City Council unanimously voted to revoke the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens in Columbus by banning perfectly legal firearms."
City Council Drives Freedom and NRA Out of Columbus…
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26 - MSG John
"And there's no other way for a woman to defend herself?"
It is the most effective way to defend. Far less likely for the victim to get hurt or to have a violent crime completed. Beats the heck out of pepper sprays, stun guns, impact weapons, bladed weapons etc.
27 - Brian
MEGA-Dittos MSG & Kristen! I guess you know which side of the aisle I'm on. A couple things I need to clarify. I reside in the Peoples Republic of New Jersey. As such, you can't talk on the cell phone and drive. You soon won't be able to smoke and drive. And lastly they don't want anyone to have a gun. It took four months for a firearms ID card. With that, I can now go to a gun dealer in the state and buy a 'long' gun (shotgun; rifle) in about 40 minutes. I cannot buy ANYTHING out of state. It took me 3 months for my pistol permit. For that I had to submit my fingerprints to the FBI and the state. The FBI looks at my background and the state looks into the mental hospitals. Once that's been returned if all goes well, it waits on the Chief of Police desk for him to sign it. If he is a believer in the second ammendment it is signed for my pick up ASAP. If he is not, it could languish on his desk for a LONG time. (Your kind of Chief huh Nancy?)
That now gives you the right to purchase a pistol and take it to the range and back. Ironically, in the next state, Pennsylvania, once you pass all the above criteria you may then legally carry that same pistol on your person at all times. Also, I am hardly into instant gratification. I waited very patiently for the 'proper paperwork' to arrive for my rights.
Kristen I couldn't agree with you more about a woman's right to carry. Can you imagine how violent crime against women would drop if just 30% were allowed to carry and not tell anyone? It would give potential rapist ALOT to think about!
28 - Temple Stark
>>MEGA-Dittos
oh crap I was hoping that was parody.
29 - Dave Nalle
Brian, how can they get away with all that. It massively exceeds the federal mandate and is in clear violation of the second amendment. The idea that you should have to ge the approval of local police to own a gun in America is outrageous.
Dave
30 - gonzo marx
ok..full disclosure..my paternal grandfather was a gunsmith from Holland who came to the US in the mid '30s because he knew what Germany was up to...i learned to shoot a firearm at age 8
all that being said...let us have a look at the Second Amendment...
*A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.*
note the "well regulated militia" part...the NRA folks always seem to miss that when they quote the Amendment...
personally, I go with Heinlein's theory that "an armed Society is a polite Society"...we can see that today..check any urban gangbanger neighborhood where everyone has a firearm...
but i digress...
we will go with the Idea that everyone should be able to buy whatever firearm they like...there is NO reason why it shoudl not be mandatory for anyoen with a firearms liscense to NOT have a computer that can log into a federal database and screen out felons in seconds...
advocates don't want liscences for firearms...ok...even though i have to liscense my car so i can drive legally...there are good arguments to be made, due to the second Amendment, that we shoudl not need such docuentation to purchase or own a firearm
fine
simple answer really...to achieve the "well regulated" part , yet not require documentation of firearms there is an easy and efficient solution
require a liscense and full documentation for purchasing ALL bullets, shell casings and gunpowder as well as reloading equipment
now you can go out and purchase your .50 calibre machine gun for home defense...but you would need a liscense and be able to account for each and every bullet
ta daaaaAAAAaaaaa
damn, i'm good
as for the AR-15 and it's ilk...my suggestion is the .454 magnum Marlin carbine...level action , 7 shot, and with a good scope, i can hit the head of a silhouette twice before the target can hear the first shot
and besides...it shoots through schools
your mileage may vary
Excelsior!
31 - MSG John
"note the "well regulated militia" part...the NRA folks always seem to miss that when they quote the Amendment..."
Not at all. The "well regulated militia" is not the entity with the right to arms, "the people" are. Arms give "the people" the ability to form a "well regulated militia". Without arms, they might as well be holding a knitting bee. The first thirteen words are a construct called an "absolute phrase"--an often misunderstood construction which many English teachers would mistakenly mark as bad grammar.
"there is NO reason why it shoudl not be mandatory for anyoen with a firearms liscense to NOT have a computer that can log into a federal database and screen out felons in seconds..."
I take it you actually mean an FFL, AKA a dealer license. Aside from the double negative (not mandatory to not have a computer), this is essentially what NICS and Insta Check does for us.
"...even though i have to liscense my car so i can drive legally."
On public roads in a move to raise revenues to maintain the public roads. Think of it as a toll road. You can do what ever you want on private property.
"to achieve the "well regulated" part , yet not require documentation of firearms there is an easy and efficient solution"
Well regulated only refers to the proper functioning of state militias, not to firearm owners.
"require a liscense and full documentation for purchasing ALL bullets, shell casings and gunpowder as well as reloading equipment"
Which is simply a backdoor measure to do the same thing. Sorry, that won't fly either.
"now you can go out and purchase your .50 calibre machine gun for home defense"
A .50 cal machinegun is strictly controlled by federal laws passed in 1934, 1968, and 1986. To own one you must be fingerprinted, photographed, get an affidavit from the authorities saying it is OK for you to have one, have a thorough background check similar to that required for a security clearence (not an instant check), send the whole thing off to the ATF along with $200 for a tax stamp, and if approved, the firearm must be registered to you--providing the firearm was already in the system prior to 1986 and that your state allows NFA Class III firearms (AKA machineguns).
"my suggestion is the .454 magnum Marlin carbine...level action , 7 shot, and with a good scope, i can hit the head of a silhouette twice before the target can hear the first shot"
Highly unlikely.
32 - gonzo marx
first...i've got a word for MSG...
satire
if the absolute silliness of my mad peckings didn't hit you the first time..try it again...it may come to you
i am flattered that you spent the effort in an attempt to dissect schizoid rantings
now..forming the bread of my little word sandwhich is a disclaimer...and my end ...both are highly unlikely, perhaps...
neither are satire
your mileage may vary
Excelsior!
33 - MSG John
The "absolute silliness of my mad peckings" are actually fairly common arguments put forth by gun controllers; therefore, any "satire" in your post is not as obvious as you imply.
Or you might just be going for a "save".
Either way, no skin off my nose.
34 - gonzo marx
/rolls eyes
me?..going for a save...ok, can i get some of what ya are smoking?
read...the..disclosure...again
second clue..i live in Maine, a place where gun control is using two hands
now, repeat after me..Professor Plum, in the Conservatory with the Candlestick
Excelsior!
35 - MSG John
"i live in Maine"
I would guess you live someplace where communicating in a clear and concise manner is not taught. You express yourself poorly.
"read...the..disclosure...again"
The "disclosure" doesn't make your post satire, nor does it add any veracity to any of your statements thus far.
Belaboring this with you is not my intent and obviously is going to be like me trying to teach a pig to sing.
That being said, have a nice night.
36 - Dave Nalle
>>as for the AR-15 and it's ilk...my suggestion is the .454 magnum Marlin carbine...level action , 7 shot, and with a good scope, i can hit the head of a silhouette twice before the target can hear the first shot<<
Well, my Springfield 45-70 carbine can shoot through the engine block of a truck, so there.
As for the 'unregulated militia', if you read the writings of the authors of the Constitution you'll find that this terminology was intended to represent the entire population who could be drafted into a militia at need.
Dave
37 - MSG John
"I'd much rather have someone shooting at me with an AR-15 than with a 30-06 with a good hunting scope on it, assuming I was some distance away. "
Which is why in 1969 the gun controllers tried to ban scopes. They ostensibly made a hunting rifle into a "sniper rifle". Now days it is hard to imagine many hunting rifles with out scopes.
38 - Abu al-Salim
The assault weapon bans do not make sense to me. I have never been able to figure out why people would see a rifle with a bayonet lug as being more dangerous than a rifle without one. How does a flash suppressor make a rifle more dangerous? Why ban grenade launching features if grenades are already illegal?
39 - MSG John
Abu,
The assault weapon bans go after those features because they are easy and scare people, not because they make a firearm any more dangerous. The gun controllers are trying to get a wedge in the door so they can pry it open. The law doesn't make sense, but the tactics behind the law do.
40 - Abu al-Salim
You make sense John. Twenty five years ago I would have called you paranoid. Today that paranoia has been shown to be wisdom.
41 - Greg
The 2nd amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. " Seems to me I have the clear RIGHT to own an "arm" - in this case, a RIFLE, bought LEGALLY through a firearms dealer. Whats that? Some reference to a Militia? Oh yeah...you forgot...we ARE the Militia in the US and in Ohio..US CODE (Title 10 Subtitle A Part 1 Chapter 13 Sec 311)
Sec. 311. - Militia: composition and classes
(a)
The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)
The classes of the militia are -
(1)
the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)
the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
(I and likely You too, fall in that last paragraph..)
The Ohio Constitution
[The 1851 Constitution with Amendments through 12/98]§ 1.04 Bearing arms; standing armies; military powers (1851)
The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.
Ohio Revised Code § 5923.01 Composition and organization of state militia; definitions; troop limitation.
Text of Statute
(A) The Ohio organized militia consist of all citizens of the state who are not permanently handicapped, as handicapped is defined in section 4112.01 of the Revised Code, who are more than seventeen years, and not more than sixty-seven years, of age unless exempted as provided in section 5923.02 of the Revised Code, and who are members of one of the following:
(1) The Ohio national guard;
(2) The Ohio naval militia;
(3) The Ohio military reserve.
(B) The Ohio national guard, including both the Ohio air national guard and the Ohio army national guard, the Ohio naval militia, and the Ohio military reserve are known collectively as the Ohio organized militia.
(C) The Ohio naval militia and the Ohio military reserve are known collectively as the state defense forces.
(D) The unorganized militia consists of those citizens of the state as described in division (A) of this section who are not members of the Ohio organized militia.
(E) No troops shall be maintained in time of peace other than as authorized and prescribed under the “Act of August 10, 1956,” 70A Stat. 596, 32 U.S.C.A. 101 to 716. This limitation does not affect the right of the state to the use of its organized militia within its borders in time of peace as prescribed by the laws of this state. This section does not prevent the organization and maintenance of police.
So - I am keeping my lawfully owned arms. Period. End of discussion.
42 - GAN
I think there should be licenses issued and background checks and extensive training and waiting periods for anyone wanting to excercise their 1st amendment rights of free speech; the exercise of religion; and all other rights listed under the Bill of Rights. You must admit fanatical religion and fanatical speech is responsible for far more deaths than from honest citizens owning firearms.
43 - BrianC
Gun Control means hitting the target you are aiming at. Nobody will take my guns. And I feel sorry for anybody that has the job to knock on my door to get them!