"Well, I just checked the pertinent parts and I seem to be a real woman. I didn't see the debate, but ..."
Now that's what I call an informed opinion.
Arianna has learned how to be a Real American Feminist - spend the first hour baiting, attacking, insulting, and interrupting the real candidates, and then play the victim when one of them gets annoyed and takes the bait.
One person's abuse of another neither makes nor means that abuse to be gender-neutral. His getting slammed through a urinal was an equally potent gesture against a man, according to the pleasure, which he, himself, has expressed, in his abuse of women. It's a sort of inverse of what he, apparently, wanted to do with Arianna (both genders use toilets; females use only them; only males use urinals), if her part were to be anything like the Terminatrix.
"How many times do you get away with this...she's a machine!"
While I can appreciate the separation between fictionalized, female-human-being-like women, which are robots, and actual, real, flesh-and-blood, female human beings, which are women, the high, for Arnold, clearly, was not in the fiction, but in its relation to *real* women. This should gravely concern anyone considering him for governor, because he may subject those, whom he perceives as being women -- or, even, just, womanly -- to the same calculations by which he has created fictional roles, for women, in Hollywood. Which, as he has demonstrated, tend toward misogyny, not because they end up being misogynist roles, but because he is misogynist.
The next day, KFI's "Ken & John" talk radio show was deluged with women callers -- CHEERING Arnold. All agreed that Huffington came across as a "shrew" (a characterization heard more often than "bitch") and that Arnold's comment was "not harsh enough."
Of course, talk radio is not a scientifc survey, but certainly many female voters are not offended by Arnold.
Of course the more important question is why Arianna was even on the panel in the first place. She's clearly not a serious candidate, and is just pretending to run a campaign in order to sell some more of her dreadful books. She clearly had the intent to disrupt the debate, and to the extent that the discussion is about her and not about the serious candidates and issues, she succeeded.
Her puppet-master, Bill Maher, must be very proud, given that he's a "Stop the Recall" campaigner using Arianna to do his dirty work.
Come to think of it, this Flemming character is also shilling for Davis. I wonder if he and Arianna get their orders from the same fax machine in Sacramento.
39 -
Darrell
Sep 28, 2003 at 11:13 am
Next Executive of Califoria
Gropenor Swasticanegger
Vote Bush for Anti-Christ
40 -
Darrell
Sep 28, 2003 at 11:17 am
Fitting he will become governater by the will of the Cyber-Ballot.
Like terminatrix, we should Diebold-ly
John and Ken are conservative, no doubt. That even their vagina-possessing audience members thought Arianna was a shrew and a bitch even before the debate is pretty much a safe assumption, so I'm not sure their calls can be considered a survey of any value.
Shilling for Davis? I can't believe how much I've been misunderstood. I've been shilling for Bustamante from the start.
Who do you think it was that got him into the race?
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robert tedesco
Sep 28, 2003 at 5:38 pm
Mr Fleming. What planet are you on?
Arianna Huffington is a master at playing all sides for political advantage.A limo liberal if ever there was.When asked the question"Are you not a political cameleon?" she answers" I don't know what that means!"
As for California Women, being outraged at Arnolds sexual behavior,I am puzzled. When I who lived in California in the 60's I enjoyed the same lifestyle with the girls in California.Being a nice looking guy with a world class car and sharp clothes,I never saw the same girl twice unless I wanted to.
I hardly can picture adult California Women becoming outraged at sexual antics.
Seriously, I doubt that all "vagina-possessing" Californians (that was great, Brian) march in lockstep on sexual issues. Even in Hollyweird, you will find some sexually conservative women w ho look askance at promiscious behavior and participation in orgies.
You people are all complete fucking morons! "Much publicized pleasure in shoving an actresses face into a toilet?" Guys that don't watch tv since 9-11? What the FUCK is wrong with you airheads? Do any of you have college educations? I can't even believe how incredibly STUPID your posts are!!!
Arianna Huffington is a completely useless human being. Credibility being the largest factor of any candidate for governor, she has absolutely none. Also, why does she spend so much time focusing on Arnold? I believe it is because she has nothing to say. Throughout the debate of the four top candidates, she stumbled and acted like a complete fool. When she was called on her (many) flaws, she just smiled because she had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to back her up.
I am not biased against woman in politics, but this is one extreme exception...she makes a major disgrace of both men and women alike. I would trust a mentally retarded dog more than I would trust Huffington because at least the dog is going with honest instinct. Huffington can't even trust herself.
This complete imbecile goes from one topic to the next trying to gain fame. Why would one think this? She gains one side, and then changes. Not once, not a couple of times, but over and over and over...you think someone trying to gain political experience would have their mind made up. She doesn't. She's not political material or anything close to it, and she knows it.
For the whole gasoline thing, she is a fool to try and do anything about it. Gasoline will be used up someday, and there truly is nothing anyone can do about it. Yes, large SUV's burn much more fuel than necessary, but what are you going to do jesse? Reinstall an engine in every single SUV? You can put electric engines in every single vehicle that comes out, do you think the import car/motorcycle racers, muscle car buffs, etc are going to switch to hybrid engines as well? You think that they are going to try and conserve gas? Gas is a finite source, and when it runs out, we have electricity to back it up.
Someone said that Arianna is famous because she's famous. She has absolutely no significance of any kind, and never will. I entered all four top candidates as neutral, and now despise Arianna more at an extreme level...almost even to the level of backwards racist candidates from back in history!
Anyone that likes or supports Huffington in any way, please WAKE UP and research her before you put any effort whatsoever into her campaign or anything else that has to do with her in a positive fashion.
This is one EXTREME ANTI-HUFFINGTON PERSON signing off...VOTE ARNOLD! HE'S THE ONLY CANDIDATE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTE THAT HAS A BRAIN IN HIS HEAD. SURE MCLINTOCK IS SMARTER AND BETTER SUITED, BUT VOTE FOR HIM, AND REPUBLICANS LOSE THE RACE. MCLINTOCK CAN'T WIN, SO DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME. VOTE ARNOLD AND SHUT UP HUFFINGTON!
Article comments
26 - Natalie Davis
I do. Watching "The Simpsons" right now. No apologies.
27 - Chris Arabia
"TV... it gives so much, and takes so little."
-- Homer
28 - Natalie Davis
God love Homer, but he doesn't have much to take.
29 - TDavid
Brian Flemming - you don't watch TV? Just think of all the great reality TV you are missing! lol
30 - Richard Bennett
"Well, I just checked the pertinent parts and I seem to be a real woman. I didn't see the debate, but ..."
Now that's what I call an informed opinion.
Arianna has learned how to be a Real American Feminist - spend the first hour baiting, attacking, insulting, and interrupting the real candidates, and then play the victim when one of them gets annoyed and takes the bait.
My brother said it best: she needs to get laid.
31 - Natalie Davis
Real American Chauvanist
32 - Natalie Davis
Oops. Chauvinist.
33 - anonymized
One person's abuse of another neither makes nor means that abuse to be gender-neutral. His getting slammed through a urinal was an equally potent gesture against a man, according to the pleasure, which he, himself, has expressed, in his abuse of women. It's a sort of inverse of what he, apparently, wanted to do with Arianna (both genders use toilets; females use only them; only males use urinals), if her part were to be anything like the Terminatrix.
"How many times do you get away with this...she's a machine!"
While I can appreciate the separation between fictionalized, female-human-being-like women, which are robots, and actual, real, flesh-and-blood, female human beings, which are women, the high, for Arnold, clearly, was not in the fiction, but in its relation to *real* women. This should gravely concern anyone considering him for governor, because he may subject those, whom he perceives as being women -- or, even, just, womanly -- to the same calculations by which he has created fictional roles, for women, in Hollywood. Which, as he has demonstrated, tend toward misogyny, not because they end up being misogynist roles, but because he is misogynist.
34 - Thomas M. Sipos
The next day, KFI's "Ken & John" talk radio show was deluged with women callers -- CHEERING Arnold. All agreed that Huffington came across as a "shrew" (a characterization heard more often than "bitch") and that Arnold's comment was "not harsh enough."
Of course, talk radio is not a scientifc survey, but certainly many female voters are not offended by Arnold.
35 - Natalie Davis
Of course, many talk-radio fans are right-wingers. Perhaps these women are Phyllis Schlafly types who revere The Rules.
36 - Steve Rhodes
The Chronicle has an article on the controversy.
37 - Richard Bennett
Of course the more important question is why Arianna was even on the panel in the first place. She's clearly not a serious candidate, and is just pretending to run a campaign in order to sell some more of her dreadful books. She clearly had the intent to disrupt the debate, and to the extent that the discussion is about her and not about the serious candidates and issues, she succeeded.
Her puppet-master, Bill Maher, must be very proud, given that he's a "Stop the Recall" campaigner using Arianna to do his dirty work.
38 - Richard Bennett
Come to think of it, this Flemming character is also shilling for Davis. I wonder if he and Arianna get their orders from the same fax machine in Sacramento.
39 - Darrell
Next Executive of Califoria
Gropenor Swasticanegger
Vote Bush for Anti-Christ
40 - Darrell
Fitting he will become governater by the will of the Cyber-Ballot.
Like terminatrix, we should Diebold-ly
41 - Brian Flemming
John and Ken are conservative, no doubt. That even their vagina-possessing audience members thought Arianna was a shrew and a bitch even before the debate is pretty much a safe assumption, so I'm not sure their calls can be considered a survey of any value.
Btw, I was on their show.
Shilling for Davis? I can't believe how much I've been misunderstood. I've been shilling for Bustamante from the start.
Who do you think it was that got him into the race?
42 - robert tedesco
Mr Fleming. What planet are you on?
Arianna Huffington is a master at playing all sides for political advantage.A limo liberal if ever there was.When asked the question"Are you not a political cameleon?" she answers" I don't know what that means!"
As for California Women, being outraged at Arnolds sexual behavior,I am puzzled. When I who lived in California in the 60's I enjoyed the same lifestyle with the girls in California.Being a nice looking guy with a world class car and sharp clothes,I never saw the same girl twice unless I wanted to.
I hardly can picture adult California Women becoming outraged at sexual antics.
43 - Natalie Davis
I wish they all could be California girls...
Seriously, I doubt that all "vagina-possessing" Californians (that was great, Brian) march in lockstep on sexual issues. Even in Hollyweird, you will find some sexually conservative women w ho look askance at promiscious behavior and participation in orgies.
44 - Brian Flemming
Yeah, I hate it when they look at me like that.
45 - Derek
You people are all complete fucking morons! "Much publicized pleasure in shoving an actresses face into a toilet?" Guys that don't watch tv since 9-11? What the FUCK is wrong with you airheads? Do any of you have college educations? I can't even believe how incredibly STUPID your posts are!!!
Arianna Huffington is a completely useless human being. Credibility being the largest factor of any candidate for governor, she has absolutely none. Also, why does she spend so much time focusing on Arnold? I believe it is because she has nothing to say. Throughout the debate of the four top candidates, she stumbled and acted like a complete fool. When she was called on her (many) flaws, she just smiled because she had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to back her up.
I am not biased against woman in politics, but this is one extreme exception...she makes a major disgrace of both men and women alike. I would trust a mentally retarded dog more than I would trust Huffington because at least the dog is going with honest instinct. Huffington can't even trust herself.
This complete imbecile goes from one topic to the next trying to gain fame. Why would one think this? She gains one side, and then changes. Not once, not a couple of times, but over and over and over...you think someone trying to gain political experience would have their mind made up. She doesn't. She's not political material or anything close to it, and she knows it.
For the whole gasoline thing, she is a fool to try and do anything about it. Gasoline will be used up someday, and there truly is nothing anyone can do about it. Yes, large SUV's burn much more fuel than necessary, but what are you going to do jesse? Reinstall an engine in every single SUV? You can put electric engines in every single vehicle that comes out, do you think the import car/motorcycle racers, muscle car buffs, etc are going to switch to hybrid engines as well? You think that they are going to try and conserve gas? Gas is a finite source, and when it runs out, we have electricity to back it up.
Someone said that Arianna is famous because she's famous. She has absolutely no significance of any kind, and never will. I entered all four top candidates as neutral, and now despise Arianna more at an extreme level...almost even to the level of backwards racist candidates from back in history!
Anyone that likes or supports Huffington in any way, please WAKE UP and research her before you put any effort whatsoever into her campaign or anything else that has to do with her in a positive fashion.
This is one EXTREME ANTI-HUFFINGTON PERSON signing off...VOTE ARNOLD! HE'S THE ONLY CANDIDATE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTE THAT HAS A BRAIN IN HIS HEAD. SURE MCLINTOCK IS SMARTER AND BETTER SUITED, BUT VOTE FOR HIM, AND REPUBLICANS LOSE THE RACE. MCLINTOCK CAN'T WIN, SO DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME. VOTE ARNOLD AND SHUT UP HUFFINGTON!
---DM
46 - Mac Diva
WE are stupid?
Methinks Derek is a typical 'smart' Schwarzenegger supporter.