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Controversial Abortionist Dr. George Tiller Assassinated in Wichita

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Dr. George Tiller, 67, of Wichita, Kansas, was shot to death at about ten o'clock (CDT) this morning as he entered his church, the Reformation Lutheran Church, for services. Details are still sketchy, but Wichita police have confirmed that the victim of the shooting is Dr. Tiller.

As one of the few practitioners of late term abortions in the country, Tiller was a polarizing lightning rod of a figure in the ongoing national debate about abortion, and had earned the nickname of "Tiller the Killer" among conservative opponents of abortion.

During more than two decades of notoriety, Tiller was no stranger to threats and protests at his clinic in Wichita. He had been the target of a gunman once before, in 1993, when he was shot and wounded.

Wichita police have announced they are looking for a blue Ford Taurus with a K-State vanity plate, license number 225 BAB. Police described him as a white male in his 50s or 60s, 6 feet 1 inch tall, 220 pounds, wearing a white shirt and dark pants.

Late-term abortions are defined as those which take place after the twentieth week of gestation. They, along with partial birth abortions, are the most controversial procedures in the overall debate over abortion, which has raged ever since the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision in the early seventies. Opponents maintain that late-term fetuses are "viable," (capable of living) and should not be performed for that reason. The exact point at which viability occurs is variable and is at the heart of the controversy.

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  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Very interesting discussion. I totally concur with Jordan that it’s amazing we’ve gotten as far as we have without getting at one’s another throat. A true miracle considering it’s online.
    But as I said, Cindy, the elements of the solution are all there, in the open. All that remains is to flesh it out.
    I’ll get back to you as soon as I make headway with my little piece.

  • Baronius

    ‘It’s sadly not uncommon for extreme pro-lifers to react to the murder of a “baby killer” with rousing applause and cheers. Shit, I bet they even had a BBQ.’

    Care to back that up, Jordan?

  • zingzing
  • Clavos

    zinjg,

    How long have you been posting on these threads? You know you’re not supposed to post raw URLs.

    Sheesh…

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    And interesting to note that Zing’s post links to a right-wing blog where they are fed up with the pro-life nuts. Good news for the GOP.

    Dave

  • Baronius

    Did you read the comments? Not much celebrating. The comments could be split into three categories, with the same ideas that were expressed on this thread:

    - he deserved it / no loss
    - this is going to hurt the pro-life movement / Reichstag fire
    - murder is wrong no matter what

    If there was mention of a celebratory barbecue, I didn’t notice it.

  • zingzing

    dave, if i had posted that from a left-wing blog, you would have bashed me for that. the comments are still the same. of course, some right-wingers are fed up with such nonsense. but it doesn’t change the fact that SOME pro-lifers are having a blast right now.

    and clavos, i so rarely post urls that i sometimes don’t bother to care.

  • zingzing

    baronius, what did you read?

    “It’s too bad the suspect didn’t poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.”

    “One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

    “What goes around comes around…”

    “Hope the guy gets away.”

    “Whatever “church” Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.”

    “One down—how many left to go? The shooter is a martyr, my prayers are with him.”

    “He was aborted….no big deal. Hooray to the gunman.”

    you are blind.

  • Baronius

    Zing, this is what I read:

    “Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.”

    “Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone — but MURDER is MURDER.
    Murder is wrong, period, regardless of who commits it.”

    “Hearts need to be changed in order to end abortion. This will not change hearts.”

    “I don’t hope he gets away. I don’t hope a jury is lenient. This is premeditated cold blooded murder and he ought to get the chair.”

    “It’s a bad end for a bad man; and it’s a bad thing.”

    As one of the regulars around here loves to quote, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. The funny thing is, I remember reading the “roto rooter” comment, and immediately forgot about it. We ARE blind to the crazies on our wing. But if “what comes around goes around” looks like a rousing celebration to you guys, then I’m never going to party with you.

  • zingzing

    well, baronius, i never said that “everyone on the right (or pro-life) side is celebrating.” and it’s true that they’re not. but the point was that some pro-lifers are celebrating. and it’s true that they are. you asked for back-up on jordan’s comment, and i was happy to supply. even took it from your side’s blog, so that it wouldn’t be disputed on those grounds.

    so, my point stands, even if i do agree with your final paragraph.

  • zingzing

    “But if “what comes around goes around” looks like a rousing celebration to you guys, then I’m never going to party with you.”

    not a justin timberlake fan, i see.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Care to back that up, Jordan?

    Zing provided some evidence.

    You can also google Army of God. You’ll find the website. I’ve already discussed that particular group elsewhere, so I’d rather not get into linking them again. Disgusting webpage, so be forewarned.

    There are others exactly like that, Bar. Do I really have to wade through more filth in order to prove to you that extreme anti abortion groups celebrate the death of Dr. Tiller? Is it really that hard a point to believe? I didn’t say all pro lifers, I didn’t say moderate pro lifers, etc. I said extremists are celebrating. How much proof do you really need of that statement?

  • Baronius

    It’s not uncommon for extreme pro-lifers…who are uncommon…so it is actually uncommon.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Jordan, there’s no point in proving your position to Baronius. He’s already made clear he will just ignore it.

    “The funny thing is, I remember reading the “roto rooter” comment, and immediately forgot about it.”

    Yeah, funny how selective amnesia allows a person to remain in a state of denial.

  • Baronius

    EB, that statement was introspective candor. It’s hard to rub introspective candor in someone’s face.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Please. If you are blind to the crazies, how exactly do you expect to have to have an honest dialogue about the crazies Jordan was talking about?

    It’s fair to ask for proof of Jordan’s contention, but then when it’s offered by Zing, you conveniently forget it, and choose to focus on his obvious, and likely intentional, hyperbole.

    So no one mentioned bringing potato salad. You certainly showed Jordan.

  • leighann

    I think that the reason Arch (and others?) may think that all pro-lifers are being called extreme terroists is becuase it is often stated something like “extreme pro-lifers” or “extreme, right-wing terrorist christians” so that it seems like the words “extreme” and “terrorists” are being used as adjectives to describe all pro-lifers or christians rather than a way to specify a very small group of pro-lifers or SO CALLED christians. Maybe is is just a misunderstanding.

    I personally do not think that someone who would kill an abortion doctor or be happy that someone killed him is truely a christian (if so they are very misguided) or pro-life. That being said I detest partial birth abortions, I do think it is murder and I will say it to anyone who asks. That does not mean that I am encouraging the murder of people who are practicing it.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Cindy,

    If you’d like to pursue our discussion, I’m game. I provided you with an answer to your last question, so you see that I’m cooperating. I know the resolution is in sight, if you’re willing of course.

    I’ve progressed enough with the article I’m working on, so I’ll be able to give you my undivided attention. And I know you deserve nothing less.

    Roger

  • Jeannie Danna
  • Jeannie Danna

    #317 here is a perfect example of right wing terrorism! (O’Reilly: ‘If I Could Get My Hands on Tiller … ’)
    I don’t hear anyone on MSNBC calling out the wolves…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Hi, Jeannie. Good to hear from you.
    I’m still alive.

  • Jeannie Danna

    Hi Roger :), I figured even after that “little terrorist act” on me and my political opinions that I still have a voice here whether everyone likes it or not. Did you read my Kinzua Dam article Roger? It is a nice break from this and it would relax you.
    Glad you are still alive!!!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I’m going to read it shortly after I’m done with my next article.
    Thoughts of my demise have been postponed for at least a month. So you’ll have to put up with me for the next thirty days, it seems.

  • Jeannie Danna

    Oh we will will keep you around longer than that.Think of all the hot debate you would miss…:)

  • Jeannie Danna

    What’s your next article about?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    On torture. But let me forewarn you. You might disagree.

    But you’re right. There’s still enough life left in me. I’ll try to stick around.

    Have you looked at “Love & Murder in Cyberspace”?

  • http://twitter.com/tolstoyscat Cindy

    I provided you with an answer to your last question, so you see that I’m cooperating.

    Ah, I see you got my point on cooperation. (That you’d have to answer the questions–setting aside your defense/offense for a moment.) But I don’t find the answer you are referencing. (confused)

  • http://twitter.com/tolstoyscat Cindy

    Roger,

    Answering the questions may be past purpose. Maybe you’d just rather say how the discussion resolves.

    (It’s not the format that is important.)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Cindy,

    Well, you put the question to me about raw feelings. And I think it’s on the right track, which is why I’d like to stick with it. I gave you a qualified response. So why don’t you carry the ball for the next ten yards.

    See, I’m cooperating.

    BTW, I’m going to take a nap for an hour or so. Just finished my article (you’re gonna hate me for it) and submitted it to Clavos. Was working on it since four AM. So I deserve a rest.

    Post your response and I hope a provocative question. I don’t want you to think that no one’s listening. And I’ll do my best not to “contextualize.” I think I do understand why you want to keep the discussion on a general level. And I can deal with it.

    Later.

    Roger

  • http://twitter.com/tolstoyscat Cindy

    Roger,

    Sorry. I am confused. I have no idea what you mean.

    Well, you put the question to me about raw feelings.

    I don’t think I did. I don’t think you understood I only meant to guide you through a scenario that would be parallel, so I could hope to get you to see something yourself.

    ‘Cooperation’–try not to read too much into what I meant by that. It was factual assessment not a judgmental complaint. By not answering the direct questions I kept posing—you failed to cooperate with what I was trying to do. That’s all I meant.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Cindy, #330:

    I’m referring to your #267 and my #270. Your move was next. But if you want to drop it, fine with me.

  • http://twitter.com/tolstoyscat Cindy

    Roger,

    Thanks for the reference. I needed it. And sure I will continue.

    I am not sure if I am only speaking about ‘raw feelings’. I think you are reading something into what I’m saying. Or taking my scant question and heading off somewhere else.

    That’s why I asked if you were willing to just answer the questions (cooperate) without reading into my motives. It complicates things when you do that. You’re smart (you can likely often second guess people). But not that smart (you are, after all, talking to me :-) LOL –I couldn’t resist!)

    Now, I don’t know if what you are saying has anything to do with where I was going or not. So, why not take the lead and continue your explanation as I hardly can take the lead from where you derailed me.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I’ll have to do it little later, Cindy. OK? I’m just about wiped-out; the article’s just been published.

  • http://twitter.com/tolstoyscat Cindy

    Any time Roger. Have a good rest.

  • Jeannie Danna

    Hi Cindy, You know, I wanted to comment on the video “The really old revolutionary” but I am not a member of that site. So I’ll comment to you directly. I like him…:)

  • http://twitter.com/tolstoyscat Cindy

    Hiya Jeannie :-)

    I am sure I just missed you again.

    I am so glad you like him. The wise old revolutionary is one of my very favorites. I have grown used to seeing him once in awhile as a reminder.

  • woodzee

    He destroyed himself.